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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"At present, Labour expresses perfectly the progressive dilemma. Corbyn was radical but not sensible. Keir seems sensible but not radical. He lacks a compelling economic message."
Mr Blair, a former prime minister and Labour leader, said the party is being "backed into electorally off-putting positions" on issues around culture, gender, race and identity."
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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and there's more lol . . .
"Mr Miliband, who resigned as Labour leader after the 2015 general election and now serves in Sir Keir's frontbench team as shadow business secretary, said: "He's only a year into the job. In a sense, give the guy a chance."
"You don't blow the final whistle on the match a third of the way through the game. Let's see where we are by the time of the next election."
Trying to re-run the 66 World Cup I think.
Let's try and win it by waiting to see if we eventually win it after it's been played. |
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"Labour are just about finished "
Even the Tory heirarchy don't think that, it's foolish to think in a two party system that when the incumbents lose the next election which is what generally happens with any party in power that the opponent's won't take the helm..
After all it's how the Tories eventually got a majority
Eventually.. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Labour are just about finished
Even the Tory heirarchy don't think that, it's foolish to think in a two party system that when the incumbents lose the next election which is what generally happens with any party in power that the opponent's won't take the helm..
After all it's how the Tories eventually got a majority
Eventually.. "
we need them to sort themselves out the country does better with a strong opposition. |
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"Labour are just about finished
Even the Tory heirarchy don't think that, it's foolish to think in a two party system that when the incumbents lose the next election which is what generally happens with any party in power that the opponent's won't take the helm..
After all it's how the Tories eventually got a majority
Eventually.. we need them to sort themselves out the country does better with a strong opposition."
Agreed..
It's like when Blair was in the seat and the Tories had IDS and Hague, not sure that was the right order but they were equally clue less.. |
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"Labour are just about finished
Even the Tory heirarchy don't think that, it's foolish to think in a two party system that when the incumbents lose the next election which is what generally happens with any party in power that the opponent's won't take the helm..
After all it's how the Tories eventually got a majority
Eventually.. we need them to sort themselves out the country does better with a strong opposition.
Agreed..
It's like when Blair was in the seat and the Tories had IDS and Hague, not sure that was the right order but they were equally clue less.."
Ids,Hague, michael Howard..they just dont seem to produce politicians of that calibre any more.
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"Labour are just about finished
Even the Tory heirarchy don't think that, it's foolish to think in a two party system that when the incumbents lose the next election which is what generally happens with any party in power that the opponent's won't take the helm..
After all it's how the Tories eventually got a majority
Eventually.. we need them to sort themselves out the country does better with a strong opposition.
Agreed..
It's like when Blair was in the seat and the Tories had IDS and Hague, not sure that was the right order but they were equally clue less..
Ids,Hague, michael Howard..they just dont seem to produce politicians of that calibre any more.
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The three stooges , |
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"Labour are just about finished
Even the Tory heirarchy don't think that, it's foolish to think in a two party system that when the incumbents lose the next election which is what generally happens with any party in power that the opponent's won't take the helm..
After all it's how the Tories eventually got a majority
Eventually.. we need them to sort themselves out the country does better with a strong opposition.
Agreed..
It's like when Blair was in the seat and the Tories had IDS and Hague, not sure that was the right order but they were equally clue less..
Ids,Hague, michael Howard..they just dont seem to produce politicians of that calibre any more.
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Well now you mention the latter I refuse to directly answer the question..  |
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As he won the first Labour victory since Harold Wilson the warmonger may be onto something.
Perhaps Labour should listen and also look at the way Europe is turning slowly but inexorably.
Otherwise they will continue to be well a bit shit |
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I read also that Blair said Corbyns policies were just a rehash of 1960's socialist ideas which the voting public saw through and didn't want because the world has moved on.
I actually agree with him on that and I hope he tells everyone that at the next party conference. |
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"Why would anyone listen to that conman ? "
Some judge him now as that yes, many previous Tory voter's supported him then hence three election wins..
He was largely right despite being castigated over his idea last year of splitting the initial and second vaccine doses ..
I get why he's marmite and divides opinions greatly, I only ever voted for him to get the Tories out in 97..
But when people look at history three terms as did Thatcher doesn't lie.. |
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"I read also that Blair said Corbyns policies were just a rehash of 1960's socialist ideas which the voting public saw through and didn't want because the world has moved on.
I actually agree with him on that and I hope he tells everyone that at the next party conference. "
I never knew broadband was around in the 60s. |
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A lot of Corbyns policies were about re nationalisation.
Considering in the 60s a lot of these industries were publically owned,they must have had a crystal ball.
He also wanted to raise minine wage..something that wasmt around in the 60s. |
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""At present, Labour expresses perfectly the progressive dilemma. Corbyn was radical but not sensible. Keir seems sensible but not radical. He lacks a compelling economic message."
Mr Blair, a former prime minister and Labour leader, said the party is being "backed into electorally off-putting positions" on issues around culture, gender, race and identity."
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I assume you are referring to an article in the New Statesman.
He gives some great advice and is a man who knows how to win elections which is the only thing that matters. Hopefully the current Labour party will continue to ignore his guidance and advice. He was a man who had the winning formula .
His time in power was the only time that I ever voted Labour. |
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"A lot of Corbyns policies were about re nationalisation.
Considering in the 60s a lot of these industries were publically owned,they must have had a crystal ball.
He also wanted to raise minine wage..something that wasmt around in the 60s."
like our mayor he’s nationalised our airport lol |
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""At present, Labour expresses perfectly the progressive dilemma. Corbyn was radical but not sensible. Keir seems sensible but not radical. He lacks a compelling economic message."
Mr Blair, a former prime minister and Labour leader, said the party is being "backed into electorally off-putting positions" on issues around culture, gender, race and identity."
I assume you are referring to an article in the New Statesman.
He gives some great advice and is a man who knows how to win elections which is the only thing that matters. Hopefully the current Labour party will continue to ignore his guidance and advice. He was a man who had the winning formula .
His time in power was the only time that I ever voted Labour. "
You voted for Blair? |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering. "
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.! |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!"
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then? |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?"
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed? |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?"
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?"
Look it up but he is right it was the common market that we joined not the eu. |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?"
Which is it you have difficulty with Lionel, reading or understanding what you’re reading? He did not say that. |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?"
He definitely didn't say that |
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"Incidentally..what demographic of people are we looking at here who were aware of labour social policy 50 years ago?
The over 70s?"
You don't think Blair would know Labour policies? |
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"Incidentally..what demographic of people are we looking at here who were aware of labour social policy 50 years ago?
The over 70s?
You don't think Blair would know Labour policies? "
Perhaps have a read of the particular post I'm responding too?
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"Incidentally..what demographic of people are we looking at here who were aware of labour social policy 50 years ago?
The over 70s?"
Why would it have to be a specific demographic? Maybe they use your favourite search engine in order to aquatint themselves with the facts, as do you!
You didn’t answer my above question! |
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"TBH if blair told me it was Thursday tomorrow i would check the calendar. "
Exactly, a nasty self serving little scumbag, not mention the Blair witch that he’s joined at the hip with. His ego can’t even let him keep his mouth shut even now. |
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"Incidentally..what demographic of people are we looking at here who were aware of labour social policy 50 years ago?
The over 70s?
You don't think Blair would know Labour policies?
Perhaps have a read of the particular post I'm responding too?
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Perhaps you should have a read.
IT WAS TONY BLAIR WHO SAID IT |
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"Incidentally..what demographic of people are we looking at here who were aware of labour social policy 50 years ago?
The over 70s?
You don't think Blair would know Labour policies?
Perhaps have a read of the particular post I'm responding too?
Perhaps you should have a read.
IT WAS TONY BLAIR WHO SAID IT "
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The poster said people didnt vote for labour because their policies were the same,as on the 60s.
I asked what demographic this was. |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"Incidentally..what demographic of people are we looking at here who were aware of labour social policy 50 years ago?
The over 70s?
You don't think Blair would know Labour policies?
Perhaps have a read of the particular post I'm responding too?
Perhaps you should have a read.
IT WAS TONY BLAIR WHO SAID IT
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The poster said people didnt vote for labour because their policies were the same,as on the 60s.
I asked what demographic this was."
Sigh
Yet more deflections! |
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"Incidentally..what demographic of people are we looking at here who were aware of labour social policy 50 years ago?
The over 70s?
You don't think Blair would know Labour policies?
Perhaps have a read of the particular post I'm responding too?
Perhaps you should have a read.
IT WAS TONY BLAIR WHO SAID IT
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The poster said people didnt vote for labour because their policies were the same,as on the 60s.
I asked what demographic this was."
The poster said Tony Blair said that and he agreed.
Back to school for you |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"Incidentally..what demographic of people are we looking at here who were aware of labour social policy 50 years ago?
The over 70s?
You don't think Blair would know Labour policies?
Perhaps have a read of the particular post I'm responding too?
Perhaps you should have a read.
IT WAS TONY BLAIR WHO SAID IT
Sigh
The poster said people didnt vote for labour because their policies were the same,as on the 60s.
I asked what demographic this was.
Sigh
Yet more deflections!"
I forgot to add ‘standard’  |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?"
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.! |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!"
Tru dat.
We NEVER voted for EU membership. We voted to join a "common market". Had it stayed that way we wouldn't have needed to vote to leave.
As for Bliar he has one good point for labour. Look at their last 11 Gen Election results. 4 x lost. 3x Bliar, 4 x lost. Corbyn led labour to worst defeat since 1930s....
Simple facts.
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!"
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton. |
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"TBH if blair told me it was Thursday tomorrow i would check the calendar.
Agreed.
Do you think he's touting for Election lol?"
yes... he wants to be head of the EU lol didnt neil kinnock get a good eu job and then his son got a nice safe seat and then his son married.....
not that labour act likes tories lol they act like politicians world wide. |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton. "
So Corbyn came up with one new policy of free broadband! Minimum wage and nationalisation were around long before Corbyn became leader of the Labour Party.
Most of the world enjoyed full employment in the 60s, it being only 15/20 years after the end of the war. Infrastructure had to be rebuilt. Heavy industries were probably at their peak at that time but it was before the competition of the Far East emerged.
Your paragraph about Blair makes no sense, so no change there then!
Oh and btw, it’s spelled Charlatan. I know you would have corrected me had I spellled Corbin as such! |
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By *ostafunMan
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"TBH if blair told me it was Thursday tomorrow i would check the calendar.
Agreed.
Do you think he's touting for Election lol?
yes... he wants to be head of the EU lol didnt neil kinnock get a good eu job and then his son got a nice safe seat and then his son married.....
not that labour act likes tories lol they act like politicians world wide. "
You forgot his wife Glenys she had a couple of cushtie jobs in the eu too. Nothing but a retirement club for failed mp,s to stay on the gravy train. |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton. "
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win. |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win."
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket. |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket."
But at the end of the day the Labour party lost the 2017 General Election.
The same policies in the 2019 General Election resulted in Labours biggest defeat in an election since 1935.
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket."
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??"
I think they need to split. |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
I think they need to split."
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??"
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now"
Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol"
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
"
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
"
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
"
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. "
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. I thought he would tho bud I was gutted when he became leader fuck knows how he won "
His main strength is at pmq..which most people take no notice of
He has very little charisma and passion..my guess is Burnham will make a move
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. I thought he would tho bud I was gutted when he became leader fuck knows how he won
His main strength is at pmq..which most people take no notice of
He has very little charisma and passion..my guess is Burnham will make a move
"
When I say 'The Real Labour' I meant the left wing of the party.
Would you be happy to see Burnham take over? I actually think be would be a much better leader than Starmer but I'm not sure I see it happening |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. I thought he would tho bud I was gutted when he became leader fuck knows how he won
His main strength is at pmq..which most people take no notice of
He has very little charisma and passion..my guess is Burnham will make a move
When I say 'The Real Labour' I meant the left wing of the party.
Would you be happy to see Burnham take over? I actually think be would be a much better leader than Starmer but I'm not sure I see it happening "
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. I thought he would tho bud I was gutted when he became leader fuck knows how he won
His main strength is at pmq..which most people take no notice of
He has very little charisma and passion..my guess is Burnham will make a move
When I say 'The Real Labour' I meant the left wing of the party.
Would you be happy to see Burnham take over? I actually think be would be a much better leader than Starmer but I'm not sure I see it happening "
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"TBH if blair told me it was Thursday tomorrow i would check the calendar.
Agreed.
Do you think he's touting for Election lol?
yes... he wants to be head of the EU lol didnt neil kinnock get a good eu job and then his son got a nice safe seat and then his son married.....
not that labour act likes tories lol they act like politicians world wide. You forgot his wife Glenys she had a couple of cushtie jobs in the eu too. Nothing but a retirement club for failed mp,s to stay on the gravy train."
its why people go into politics, not out of conviction to change the world and make things better but as a career choice... its why they are mainly shit.
Like trying to be a sports person when you dont really like sport but youre tall so should be ok at high jump and might as well give it a go coz it pays well lol
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. I thought he would tho bud I was gutted when he became leader fuck knows how he won
His main strength is at pmq..which most people take no notice of
He has very little charisma and passion..my guess is Burnham will make a move
When I say 'The Real Labour' I meant the left wing of the party.
Would you be happy to see Burnham take over? I actually think be would be a much better leader than Starmer but I'm not sure I see it happening id love burnham or nandy to be leader I think there only ones who could claw back the north tbf "
Nandy and probally Burnham are probally seen as too left wing by the little crew who wanted Corbyn gone
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. I thought he would tho bud I was gutted when he became leader fuck knows how he won
His main strength is at pmq..which most people take no notice of
He has very little charisma and passion..my guess is Burnham will make a move
When I say 'The Real Labour' I meant the left wing of the party.
Would you be happy to see Burnham take over? I actually think be would be a much better leader than Starmer but I'm not sure I see it happening id love burnham or nandy to be leader I think there only ones who could claw back the north tbf
Nandy and probally Burnham are probally seen as too left wing by the little crew who wanted Corbyn gone
"
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket."
Because May went AWOL for the election, when they had to face boris they got smashed |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.
Because May went AWOL for the election, when they had to face boris they got smashed "
So people decided not to vote for her because she went 'AWOL'
When did this happen exactly?
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. I thought he would tho bud I was gutted when he became leader fuck knows how he won
His main strength is at pmq..which most people take no notice of
He has very little charisma and passion..my guess is Burnham will make a move
When I say 'The Real Labour' I meant the left wing of the party.
Would you be happy to see Burnham take over? I actually think be would be a much better leader than Starmer but I'm not sure I see it happening id love burnham or nandy to be leader I think there only ones who could claw back the north tbf
Nandy and probally Burnham are probally seen as too left wing by the little crew who wanted Corbyn gone
maybe but Mandy respected the brexit vote and that’s what fucked corbyn up "
I've said it a million times
Labour were in a totally no win situation over Brexit.
Most labour supporters were pro remain.
But a huge chunk were leave
How do you appease both sides? |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. I thought he would tho bud I was gutted when he became leader fuck knows how he won
His main strength is at pmq..which most people take no notice of
He has very little charisma and passion..my guess is Burnham will make a move
When I say 'The Real Labour' I meant the left wing of the party.
Would you be happy to see Burnham take over? I actually think be would be a much better leader than Starmer but I'm not sure I see it happening id love burnham or nandy to be leader I think there only ones who could claw back the north tbf
Nandy and probally Burnham are probally seen as too left wing by the little crew who wanted Corbyn gone
maybe but Mandy respected the brexit vote and that’s what fucked corbyn up
I've said it a million times
Labour were in a totally no win situation over Brexit.
Most labour supporters were pro remain.
But a huge chunk were leave
How do you appease both sides?"
most labour mps where Remain most labour voters where leave weren’t they ? And he said he would respect the will of the people then said we hold another vote but campaign to remain but wouldn’t say how he would vote you couldn’t make it up |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. I thought he would tho bud I was gutted when he became leader fuck knows how he won
His main strength is at pmq..which most people take no notice of
He has very little charisma and passion..my guess is Burnham will make a move
When I say 'The Real Labour' I meant the left wing of the party.
Would you be happy to see Burnham take over? I actually think be would be a much better leader than Starmer but I'm not sure I see it happening id love burnham or nandy to be leader I think there only ones who could claw back the north tbf
Nandy and probally Burnham are probally seen as too left wing by the little crew who wanted Corbyn gone
maybe but Mandy respected the brexit vote and that’s what fucked corbyn up
I've said it a million times
Labour were in a totally no win situation over Brexit.
Most labour supporters were pro remain.
But a huge chunk were leave
How do you appease both sides?"
Have you had a bang know the head, first you cant remember TM virtually disappearing during 2017 election and now you claim "most" labour supporters were remain did you miss what happened in 2019 and last week in Hartlepool ? |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. I thought he would tho bud I was gutted when he became leader fuck knows how he won
His main strength is at pmq..which most people take no notice of
He has very little charisma and passion..my guess is Burnham will make a move
When I say 'The Real Labour' I meant the left wing of the party.
Would you be happy to see Burnham take over? I actually think be would be a much better leader than Starmer but I'm not sure I see it happening id love burnham or nandy to be leader I think there only ones who could claw back the north tbf
Nandy and probally Burnham are probally seen as too left wing by the little crew who wanted Corbyn gone
maybe but Mandy respected the brexit vote and that’s what fucked corbyn up
I've said it a million times
Labour were in a totally no win situation over Brexit.
Most labour supporters were pro remain.
But a huge chunk were leave
How do you appease both sides?
Have you had a bang know the head, first you cant remember TM virtually disappearing during 2017 election and now you claim "most" labour supporters were remain did you miss what happened in 2019 and last week in Hartlepool ? "
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. I thought he would tho bud I was gutted when he became leader fuck knows how he won
His main strength is at pmq..which most people take no notice of
He has very little charisma and passion..my guess is Burnham will make a move
When I say 'The Real Labour' I meant the left wing of the party.
Would you be happy to see Burnham take over? I actually think be would be a much better leader than Starmer but I'm not sure I see it happening id love burnham or nandy to be leader I think there only ones who could claw back the north tbf
Nandy and probally Burnham are probally seen as too left wing by the little crew who wanted Corbyn gone
maybe but Mandy respected the brexit vote and that’s what fucked corbyn up
I've said it a million times
Labour were in a totally no win situation over Brexit.
Most labour supporters were pro remain.
But a huge chunk were leave
How do you appease both sides? most labour mps where Remain most labour voters where leave weren’t they ? And he said he would respect the will of the people then said we hold another vote but campaign to remain but wouldn’t say how he would vote you couldn’t make it up "
I'm not sure where this most labour voters were leavers is coming from?
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. I thought he would tho bud I was gutted when he became leader fuck knows how he won
His main strength is at pmq..which most people take no notice of
He has very little charisma and passion..my guess is Burnham will make a move
When I say 'The Real Labour' I meant the left wing of the party.
Would you be happy to see Burnham take over? I actually think be would be a much better leader than Starmer but I'm not sure I see it happening id love burnham or nandy to be leader I think there only ones who could claw back the north tbf
Nandy and probally Burnham are probally seen as too left wing by the little crew who wanted Corbyn gone
maybe but Mandy respected the brexit vote and that’s what fucked corbyn up
I've said it a million times
Labour were in a totally no win situation over Brexit.
Most labour supporters were pro remain.
But a huge chunk were leave
How do you appease both sides?
Have you had a bang know the head, first you cant remember TM virtually disappearing during 2017 election and now you claim "most" labour supporters were remain did you miss what happened in 2019 and last week in Hartlepool ?
You think most labour supporters are leavers?"
Well the 2019 election was fought mainly on brexit remind me again what the labour policy was and how many MPs they lost.
Either all those labour voters wanted to get brexit done or they really disliked corbyn.
You and your matecirbyn claim they won the argument on policy so it must have been brexit they lost on among their supporters |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. I thought he would tho bud I was gutted when he became leader fuck knows how he won
His main strength is at pmq..which most people take no notice of
He has very little charisma and passion..my guess is Burnham will make a move
When I say 'The Real Labour' I meant the left wing of the party.
Would you be happy to see Burnham take over? I actually think be would be a much better leader than Starmer but I'm not sure I see it happening id love burnham or nandy to be leader I think there only ones who could claw back the north tbf
Nandy and probally Burnham are probally seen as too left wing by the little crew who wanted Corbyn gone
maybe but Mandy respected the brexit vote and that’s what fucked corbyn up
I've said it a million times
Labour were in a totally no win situation over Brexit.
Most labour supporters were pro remain.
But a huge chunk were leave
How do you appease both sides?
Have you had a bang know the head, first you cant remember TM virtually disappearing during 2017 election and now you claim "most" labour supporters were remain did you miss what happened in 2019 and last week in Hartlepool ?
You think most labour supporters are leavers?
Well the 2019 election was fought mainly on brexit remind me again what the labour policy was and how many MPs they lost.
Either all those labour voters wanted to get brexit done or they really disliked corbyn.
You and your matecirbyn claim they won the argument on policy so it must have been brexit they lost on among their supporters "
Well considering most Tories were leavers
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. I thought he would tho bud I was gutted when he became leader fuck knows how he won
His main strength is at pmq..which most people take no notice of
He has very little charisma and passion..my guess is Burnham will make a move
When I say 'The Real Labour' I meant the left wing of the party.
Would you be happy to see Burnham take over? I actually think be would be a much better leader than Starmer but I'm not sure I see it happening id love burnham or nandy to be leader I think there only ones who could claw back the north tbf
Nandy and probally Burnham are probally seen as too left wing by the little crew who wanted Corbyn gone
maybe but Mandy respected the brexit vote and that’s what fucked corbyn up
I've said it a million times
Labour were in a totally no win situation over Brexit.
Most labour supporters were pro remain.
But a huge chunk were leave
How do you appease both sides? most labour mps where Remain most labour voters where leave weren’t they ? And he said he would respect the will of the people then said we hold another vote but campaign to remain but wouldn’t say how he would vote you couldn’t make it up
I'm not sure where this most labour voters were leavers is coming from?
As I recall the vote was very close(4%)and most of the big cities were remain areas."
Of the 7 English areas, only London voted to remain and that was by quite a large margin. Every other area, East, East Midlands, North East, North West, South East and South West voted to leave.
Those areas include a hell of a lot of Labour voters! |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. I thought he would tho bud I was gutted when he became leader fuck knows how he won
His main strength is at pmq..which most people take no notice of
He has very little charisma and passion..my guess is Burnham will make a move
When I say 'The Real Labour' I meant the left wing of the party.
Would you be happy to see Burnham take over? I actually think be would be a much better leader than Starmer but I'm not sure I see it happening id love burnham or nandy to be leader I think there only ones who could claw back the north tbf
Nandy and probally Burnham are probally seen as too left wing by the little crew who wanted Corbyn gone
maybe but Mandy respected the brexit vote and that’s what fucked corbyn up
I've said it a million times
Labour were in a totally no win situation over Brexit.
Most labour supporters were pro remain.
But a huge chunk were leave
How do you appease both sides? most labour mps where Remain most labour voters where leave weren’t they ? And he said he would respect the will of the people then said we hold another vote but campaign to remain but wouldn’t say how he would vote you couldn’t make it up
I'm not sure where this most labour voters were leavers is coming from?
As I recall the vote was very close(4%)and most of the big cities were remain areas."
I was sure most Labour voters voted leave but most there mps voted remain |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"Liverpool..remain
Manchester remain
Newcastle remaim
North West leave
North East leavethat’s most of the north then lol"
Absolutely and add to that Yorkshire and Humber which I missed off my initial list. |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. I thought he would tho bud I was gutted when he became leader fuck knows how he won
His main strength is at pmq..which most people take no notice of
He has very little charisma and passion..my guess is Burnham will make a move
When I say 'The Real Labour' I meant the left wing of the party.
Would you be happy to see Burnham take over? I actually think be would be a much better leader than Starmer but I'm not sure I see it happening id love burnham or nandy to be leader I think there only ones who could claw back the north tbf
Nandy and probally Burnham are probally seen as too left wing by the little crew who wanted Corbyn gone
maybe but Mandy respected the brexit vote and that’s what fucked corbyn up
I've said it a million times
Labour were in a totally no win situation over Brexit.
Most labour supporters were pro remain.
But a huge chunk were leave
How do you appease both sides? most labour mps where Remain most labour voters where leave weren’t they ? And he said he would respect the will of the people then said we hold another vote but campaign to remain but wouldn’t say how he would vote you couldn’t make it up
I'm not sure where this most labour voters were leavers is coming from?
As I recall the vote was very close(4%)and most of the big cities were remain areas.I was sure most Labour voters voted leave but most there mps voted remain "
According to fact check 30%of labour voters voted leave bit others polls estimate between 25% and 29%
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48039984.amp |
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"Blaor and corbyn both also campaigned for closer ties with europe.
Since we didn't join the EU till 73,once again their powers of fortune telling were staggering.
The EU didn't exist in 1973.
You really need to use Google more or even look at the EU website.!
So why would they have a closer ties to policy with europe in the 60s then?
Are you deflecting the fact you do not know when the EU was formed?
Nope
You said Blair and corbyn just rehashed policies from the 60s
Both campaoged for closer links with eyrope
We were not in Europe on the 60s
What other policies did they rehash?
I never said Tony Blairs policies were a rehash of 1960's policies.
It's there in black and white that I quoted what Tony Blair said about Corbyns policies being a rehash of 1960's socialists policies that people didn't want to vote for.
By all means criticise the most successful Labour leader for the past 50 years if you want.
And by the way the UK is in Europe because Europe is a continent.
The EU was formed on the 1st November 1993.
For someone who claims to be such a lover of the EU you know very little about it.
You must have been brain washed by the media and far too many blue flags.!
And I've probed several examples where those policies were not around in the 60s..ie free broadband and minimum wage.
The natonslatsaion issues would also be irrelevant.
Back in the 60s we had full employment and less of a gap between rich and poor...Pfft socialist nonsense.
As for Blair the fact that he was supported by Blair and all the middle England Tories voted for him speaks volumes
Even that however would of course be preferable to the current Charlaton.
I don't know about you but it indicates to me that if Labour want to get into government again their policies need to be towards the centre because being on the far left just isn't going to win.
What policies are far left exactly?
They were a centre party under milliband and brown.. how did that work out?
They recieved one of the most seats in decades in 2017 in a centre left ticket.simple question Lionel the way labour are now do you think they stand a chance in next GE or do they need change ??
Well he wants Corbyn back so I'd say he doesn't really care much for the party right now Corbyn is older than water he be in a nursing home by next ge so he needs to forget about them days lol
I'm fairly sure he has no desire to be leader again
Its the left of the party do faction off and start 'The Real Labour' will you jump ship with them?
I've no idea who will call themselves the real labour.
They are in a mess,some of there own making and some not.
Starmer was supposed to unite the party and he has failed miserably. I thought he would tho bud I was gutted when he became leader fuck knows how he won
His main strength is at pmq..which most people take no notice of
He has very little charisma and passion..my guess is Burnham will make a move
When I say 'The Real Labour' I meant the left wing of the party.
Would you be happy to see Burnham take over? I actually think be would be a much better leader than Starmer but I'm not sure I see it happening id love burnham or nandy to be leader I think there only ones who could claw back the north tbf
Nandy and probally Burnham are probally seen as too left wing by the little crew who wanted Corbyn gone
maybe but Mandy respected the brexit vote and that’s what fucked corbyn up
I've said it a million times
Labour were in a totally no win situation over Brexit.
Most labour supporters were pro remain.
But a huge chunk were leave
How do you appease both sides? most labour mps where Remain most labour voters where leave weren’t they ? And he said he would respect the will of the people then said we hold another vote but campaign to remain but wouldn’t say how he would vote you couldn’t make it up
I'm not sure where this most labour voters were leavers is coming from?
As I recall the vote was very close(4%)and most of the big cities were remain areas.I was sure most Labour voters voted leave but most there mps voted remain "
yes thats right, because the stupid labour voters were to thick to know what they really wanted so their mps did what was best for them, like a red mummy panda bear lol thats not patronizing at all is it! |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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Full referendum results here:
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/elections-and-referendums/past-elections-and-referendums/eu-referendum/results-and-turnout-eu-referendum |
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"Did they ask every labour voter?
You do love digging deeper "
Lols
So 4 independent surveys are out by at least..20%?
Rigtio.
I'll ask the question again as it wasnt answered before.
If the majority of labour voters were leavers.. why was the referendum not a landslide.? |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Did they ask every labour voter?
You do love digging deeper
Lols
So 4 independent surveys are out by at least..20%?
Rigtio.
I'll ask the question again as it wasnt answered before.
If the majority of labour voters were leavers.. why was the referendum not a landslide.?"
Because lots of lib dems and tories voted remain, after all it was meant to be the better educated who voted remain and as the tories are all rich and go to private schools and uni it must have been the dam Tories who voted remain |
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"Did they ask every labour voter?
You do love digging deeper
Lols
So 4 independent surveys are out by at least..20%?
Rigtio.
I'll ask the question again as it wasnt answered before.
If the majority of labour voters were leavers.. why was the referendum not a landslide.?
Because lots of lib dems and tories voted remain, after all it was meant to be the better educated who voted remain and as the tories are all rich and go to private schools and uni it must have been the dam Tories who voted remain "
So why did all those tories not switch their vote to labour if they were so keen.on staying? |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"Did they ask every labour voter?
You do love digging deeper
Lols
So 4 independent surveys are out by at least..20%?
Rigtio.
I'll ask the question again as it wasnt answered before.
If the majority of labour voters were leavers.. why was the referendum not a landslide.?"
According to YouGov, 35% of Labour supporters voted to leave. In the 18-24 group, there was an overwhelming 71/29 vote to remain and this group would account for a hell of a lot of the Labour remain vote.
Ages 25-49 voted 54/46 to remain, ages 50-64 voted 60-40 to leave and over 65s voted 64-36 to leave.
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"Did they ask every labour voter?
You do love digging deeper
Lols
So 4 independent surveys are out by at least..20%?
Rigtio.
I'll ask the question again as it wasnt answered before.
If the majority of labour voters were leavers.. why was the referendum not a landslide.?
Because lots of lib dems and tories voted remain, after all it was meant to be the better educated who voted remain and as the tories are all rich and go to private schools and uni it must have been the dam Tories who voted remain
So why did all those tories not switch their vote to labour if they were so keen.on staying?"
Why would they switch their vote to Labour? The Cameron government at the time supported remain. If I remember correctly, it was Corbyn who got splinters in his arse from sitting on the fence! |
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