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"He had no chance with the looney left snapping at his heels " Was he in heels? | |||
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"No but this Labour party...for some reason favoured on fab, is unelectable... " You think labour is favoured on fab? 
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween." This right here | |||
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"No but this Labour party...for some reason favoured on fab, is unelectable... You think labour is favoured on fab?
I'm the resident lefty snowflake and even I don't like Labour at the moment. "Come join the bright side!  | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween." Did you say momentum under Corbyn.. Hahahaha delusion | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. Did you say momentum under Corbyn.. Hahahaha delusion" Didn't he deliver a huge election victory that nearly put him in government? | |||
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"I think covid has played a huge part in this vote I’m sure many things could have been done better But can you imagine how Corbin or abbot would have performed " Better? As could 99.9% of the worlds population  | |||
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"I think covid has played a huge part in this vote I’m sure many things could have been done better But can you imagine how Corbin or abbot would have performed " Well she was last seen wearing two left shoes on her feet...and of course they did not match | |||
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"I think covid has played a huge part in this vote I’m sure many things could have been done better But can you imagine how Corbin or abbot would have performed Well she was last seen wearing two left shoes on her feet...and of course they did not match" Have you ever had a look Bozo the clown?! Also, pretty sure that was photo shopped | |||
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"I think covid has played a huge part in this vote I’m sure many things could have been done better But can you imagine how Corbin or abbot would have performed Better? As could 99.9% of the worlds population "Sorry don’t understand your comment? | |||
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"I think covid has played a huge part in this vote I’m sure many things could have been done better But can you imagine how Corbin or abbot would have performed Better? As could 99.9% of the worlds population
Sorry don’t understand your comment?"Saying anyone else couldn't do better than this government?! 130000 dead?! Have a look where else in the world the deaths per population is as high as ours | |||
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"I think covid has played a huge part in this vote I’m sure many things could have been done better But can you imagine how Corbin or abbot would have performed Better? As could 99.9% of the worlds population
Sorry don’t understand your comment?
Saying anyone else couldn't do better than this government?! 130000 dead?! Have a look where else in the world the deaths per population is as high as ours"And we still vote for Boris... Long live the King | |||
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"I don't know about anyone else, but I vote in local elections based on local politics. Imagine that "It does not surprise me for a minute, local politics usually centre around litter, car parking and dogshit... | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween." I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.  | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween." This! It's a pretty depressing state of affairs. | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me. "There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans. | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans."I totally agree with this too! | |||
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"The polls all point to Boris Johnson/Tories still having a strong lead over Labour. Firstly - what is wrong with people? This is the man who has overseen the awarding of multi billion pound contracts to “companies” with no relative knowledge or experience in producing products that were needed for front line health workers at their time in need, most of these contracts went to his friends or people within their own network. Then after/during all of this he REFUSED to feed children who were in receipt of free school meals until a 23 year old footballer waded in, did he listen to the uproar before this? No, it took Marcus Rashford convincing him that parents weren’t going to use the additional money for cigarettes or drugs. All the while his bestest pal Priti was bullying many many civil servants, forcing one to take the government to court for constructive dismissal, they settled, he got a pay, the tax payer (the real ones, you and I) paid for it. She kept her job. Anybody who votes Tory in the future needs their head examining. Labour, right now, can fuck off too with there centre politics. Give me Corbyn any day over this insipid clueless bunch. " If there's one thing I've learnt over the past few years is a lot of the British public don't care about the NHS half as much as they claim to. | |||
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"The polls all point to Boris Johnson/Tories still having a strong lead over Labour. Firstly - what is wrong with people? This is the man who has overseen the awarding of multi billion pound contracts to “companies” with no relative knowledge or experience in producing products that were needed for front line health workers at their time in need, most of these contracts went to his friends or people within their own network. Then after/during all of this he REFUSED to feed children who were in receipt of free school meals until a 23 year old footballer waded in, did he listen to the uproar before this? No, it took Marcus Rashford convincing him that parents weren’t going to use the additional money for cigarettes or drugs. All the while his bestest pal Priti was bullying many many civil servants, forcing one to take the government to court for constructive dismissal, they settled, he got a pay, the tax payer (the real ones, you and I) paid for it. She kept her job. Anybody who votes Tory in the future needs their head examining. Labour, right now, can fuck off too with there centre politics. Give me Corbyn any day over this insipid clueless bunch. If there's one thing I've learnt over the past few years is a lot of the British public don't care about the NHS half as much as they claim to. " Sad, but true | |||
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"Keith Hardie will be turning in his grave. " who’s Keith Hardie ? Is he related to kier?  | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans."I think proportional representation is a steaming pile of doodoo. I’d rather have someone elected who I didn’t vote for, but a simple majority of others did vote for, than someone who nobody really wanted, but got in because they were everybody’s third choice. | |||
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"Keith Hardie will be turning in his grave. who’s Keith Hardie ? Is he related to kier? "Keith Starmer was named after him. | |||
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"The polls all point to Boris Johnson/Tories still having a strong lead over Labour. Firstly - what is wrong with people? This is the man who has overseen the awarding of multi billion pound contracts to “companies” with no relative knowledge or experience in producing products that were needed for front line health workers at their time in need, most of these contracts went to his friends or people within their own network. Then after/during all of this he REFUSED to feed children who were in receipt of free school meals until a 23 year old footballer waded in, did he listen to the uproar before this? No, it took Marcus Rashford convincing him that parents weren’t going to use the additional money for cigarettes or drugs. All the while his bestest pal Priti was bullying many many civil servants, forcing one to take the government to court for constructive dismissal, they settled, he got a pay, the tax payer (the real ones, you and I) paid for it. She kept her job. Anybody who votes Tory in the future needs their head examining. Labour, right now, can fuck off too with there centre politics. Give me Corbyn any day over this insipid clueless bunch. If there's one thing I've learnt over the past few years is a lot of the British public don't care about the NHS half as much as they claim to. " Yup | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans."We had the opportunity to change to to PR, which has always been a Liberal 3rd party policy and the electorate voted against it. Was interesting that the local police commissioner was elected via pr though | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans.
I think proportional representation is a steaming pile of doodoo.
I’d rather have someone elected who I didn’t vote for, but a simple majority of others did vote for, than someone who nobody really wanted, but got in because they were everybody’s third choice. "I feel that way about FPTP | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans.
I think proportional representation is a steaming pile of doodoo.
I’d rather have someone elected who I didn’t vote for, but a simple majority of others did vote for, than someone who nobody really wanted, but got in because they were everybody’s third choice. "It's an improvement over 1st past the post. The majority of the country didn't vote for this government. | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans.
We had the opportunity to change to to PR, which has always been a Liberal 3rd party policy and the electorate voted against it.
Was interesting that the local police commissioner was elected via pr though"That was such a *weird* referendum | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans.
We had the opportunity to change to to PR, which has always been a Liberal 3rd party policy and the electorate voted against it.
Was interesting that the local police commissioner was elected via pr though
That was such a *weird* referendum "Wasn't it? I do remember that almost no one I knew had a clue what it was about, or the differences between the two systems | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans.
I totally agree with this too! "In the UK surely the labour voters had the shortest lifespans...miners for example | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans.
We had the opportunity to change to to PR, which has always been a Liberal 3rd party policy and the electorate voted against it.
Was interesting that the local police commissioner was elected via pr though
That was such a *weird* referendum
Wasn't it? I do remember that almost no one I knew had a clue what it was about, or the differences between the two systems"I remember lots of time on why British voters are not as smart as Australian voters, based on the scariest bits of the Australian electoral system. Give yourself some fucking credit, guys | |||
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"The polls all point to Boris Johnson/Tories still having a strong lead over Labour. Firstly - what is wrong with people? This is the man who has overseen the awarding of multi billion pound contracts to “companies” with no relative knowledge or experience in producing products that were needed for front line health workers at their time in need, most of these contracts went to his friends or people within their own network. Then after/during all of this he REFUSED to feed children who were in receipt of free school meals until a 23 year old footballer waded in, did he listen to the uproar before this? No, it took Marcus Rashford convincing him that parents weren’t going to use the additional money for cigarettes or drugs. All the while his bestest pal Priti was bullying many many civil servants, forcing one to take the government to court for constructive dismissal, they settled, he got a pay, the tax payer (the real ones, you and I) paid for it. She kept her job. Anybody who votes Tory in the future needs their head examining. Labour, right now, can fuck off too with there centre politics. Give me Corbyn any day over this insipid clueless bunch. " And still they vote Tory.. anything better than the man who won the debate but lost the election deluded Corbyn | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans.
We had the opportunity to change to to PR, which has always been a Liberal 3rd party policy and the electorate voted against it.
Was interesting that the local police commissioner was elected via pr though
That was such a *weird* referendum
Wasn't it? I do remember that almost no one I knew had a clue what it was about, or the differences between the two systems
I remember lots of time on why British voters are not as smart as Australian voters, based on the scariest bits of the Australian electoral system.
Give yourself some fucking credit, guys "There is an option . Plane on the Tarmac with engines revving... | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans.
We had the opportunity to change to to PR, which has always been a Liberal 3rd party policy and the electorate voted against it.
Was interesting that the local police commissioner was elected via pr though
That was such a *weird* referendum
Wasn't it? I do remember that almost no one I knew had a clue what it was about, or the differences between the two systems
I remember lots of time on why British voters are not as smart as Australian voters, based on the scariest bits of the Australian electoral system.
Give yourself some fucking credit, guys "I just prefer the system of voting for your one choice from those available, one with the most individual votes wins, regardless of whether that was the one I voted for. You know what they say, ‘Simple is as simple does’ | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans.
We had the opportunity to change to to PR, which has always been a Liberal 3rd party policy and the electorate voted against it.
Was interesting that the local police commissioner was elected via pr though
That was such a *weird* referendum
Wasn't it? I do remember that almost no one I knew had a clue what it was about, or the differences between the two systems
I remember lots of time on why British voters are not as smart as Australian voters, based on the scariest bits of the Australian electoral system.
Give yourself some fucking credit, guys
There is an option .
Plane on the Tarmac with engines revving..."So you've said repeatedly, with zero knowledge of the situation in Australia since the pandemic. I've chosen to make the UK my home, thank you. | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans.
We had the opportunity to change to to PR, which has always been a Liberal 3rd party policy and the electorate voted against it.
Was interesting that the local police commissioner was elected via pr though
That was such a *weird* referendum
Wasn't it? I do remember that almost no one I knew had a clue what it was about, or the differences between the two systems
I remember lots of time on why British voters are not as smart as Australian voters, based on the scariest bits of the Australian electoral system.
Give yourself some fucking credit, guys
I just prefer the system of voting for your one choice from those available, one with the most individual votes wins, regardless of whether that was the one I voted for.
You know what they say,
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans.
We had the opportunity to change to to PR, which has always been a Liberal 3rd party policy and the electorate voted against it.
Was interesting that the local police commissioner was elected via pr though
That was such a *weird* referendum
Wasn't it? I do remember that almost no one I knew had a clue what it was about, or the differences between the two systems
I remember lots of time on why British voters are not as smart as Australian voters, based on the scariest bits of the Australian electoral system.
Give yourself some fucking credit, guys
There is an option .
Plane on the Tarmac with engines revving...
So you've said repeatedly, with zero knowledge of the situation in Australia since the pandemic.
I've chosen to make the UK my home, thank you."Well I said it once... | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans.
We had the opportunity to change to to PR, which has always been a Liberal 3rd party policy and the electorate voted against it.
Was interesting that the local police commissioner was elected via pr though
That was such a *weird* referendum
Wasn't it? I do remember that almost no one I knew had a clue what it was about, or the differences between the two systems
I remember lots of time on why British voters are not as smart as Australian voters, based on the scariest bits of the Australian electoral system.
Give yourself some fucking credit, guys
I just prefer the system of voting for your one choice from those available, one with the most individual votes wins, regardless of whether that was the one I voted for.
You know what they say,
‘Simple is as simple does’ "Problem is, that's not how our current system works | |||
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"I think covid has played a huge part in this vote I’m sure many things could have been done better But can you imagine how Corbin or abbot would have performed Better? As could 99.9% of the worlds population
Sorry don’t understand your comment?
Saying anyone else couldn't do better than this government?! 130000 dead?! Have a look where else in the world the deaths per population is as high as ours"Ok How many is an acceptable number of people killed by Covid? 1? 100? 100000? We have a NHS system that has become unmanageable It employees 1.3 million staff!! Just the employee support jobs and red tape for that number is massive Then add on top all the contractors for cleaning etc it’s probably more like 1.5 million The global pandemic has been truly dreadful all around the world, but in the UK despite having such a huge NHS full of dedicated, caring, selfless staff we still have had a tragic number of people die from this disease. I think you saying anyone could have done better is disrespectful to those who lost family members plus those NHS staff. As I said I think the government have probably made mistakes but compared to countries like France even Germany have tackled something unprecedented well. The issues over asking non qualified companies to make ventilators etc, that is more complicated All the qualified companies were at maximum capacity producing ventilators to meet global demand. So reaching out to engineering experts has to be the right decision, offering tax breaks however is not So when it’s dyson, red bull formula 1, or the teenager down the street with a 3D printer making face masks, we should recognise adaptability and looking at other options positively. If that was done in exchange for illegal tax evasion that needs prosecution to the full. Finally the reward of 1% for the NHS staff is insulting Especially when the 500,000 teachers in the Uk get a considerably higher pay award | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans.
We had the opportunity to change to to PR, which has always been a Liberal 3rd party policy and the electorate voted against it.
Was interesting that the local police commissioner was elected via pr though
That was such a *weird* referendum
Wasn't it? I do remember that almost no one I knew had a clue what it was about, or the differences between the two systems
I remember lots of time on why British voters are not as smart as Australian voters, based on the scariest bits of the Australian electoral system.
Give yourself some fucking credit, guys
I just prefer the system of voting for your one choice from those available, one with the most individual votes wins, regardless of whether that was the one I voted for.
You know what they say,
‘Simple is as simple does’
Problem is, that's not how our current system works"Are you saying that when I go to the polling station and vote, from the choice in front of me ,the individual with the most votes doesn’t win in our current system? Am I missing something. | |||
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"I think covid has played a huge part in this vote I’m sure many things could have been done better But can you imagine how Corbin or abbot would have performed Better? As could 99.9% of the worlds population
Sorry don’t understand your comment?
Saying anyone else couldn't do better than this government?! 130000 dead?! Have a look where else in the world the deaths per population is as high as ours
Ok
How many is an acceptable number of people killed by Covid?
1? 100? 100000?
We have a NHS system that has become unmanageable
It employees 1.3 million staff!!
Just the employee support jobs and red tape for that number is massive
Then add on top all the contractors for cleaning etc it’s probably more like 1.5 million
The global pandemic has been truly dreadful all around the world, but in the UK despite having such a huge NHS full of dedicated, caring, selfless staff we still have had a tragic number of people die from this disease.
I think you saying anyone could have done better is disrespectful to those who lost family members plus those NHS staff.
As I said I think the government have probably made mistakes but compared to countries like France even Germany have tackled something unprecedented well.
The issues over asking non qualified companies to make ventilators etc, that is more complicated
All the qualified companies were at maximum capacity producing ventilators to meet global demand.
So reaching out to engineering experts has to be the right decision, offering tax breaks however is not
So when it’s dyson, red bull formula 1, or the teenager down the street with a 3D printer making face masks, we should recognise adaptability and looking at other options positively. If that was done in exchange for illegal tax evasion that needs prosecution to the full.
Finally the reward of 1% for the NHS staff is insulting
Especially when the 500,000 teachers in the Uk get a considerably higher pay award "The NHS that has been gutted by successive tory governments?!?! Could be why they couldn't cope. The tory government gave the 1% pay rise. I genuinely pity you, that you think what this government has done is a good job. They turned down companies with actual experience, to pay companies with none! Germany and France DID do better, the UK has the 13th highest deaths per million of all countries reporting deaths. | |||
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"How long were labour in power for during the first few years of this century ? Funny how they or their supporters wernt calling for PR then, its the usual football crowd blaming the ref for losing instead of realising you were playing crap. Labour will get back into power when they have decent policies that the majority want, after all you all think Boris is so shit surely it cant be hard to beat him can it ?????????????" All I hear on here is snide Boris comments...not sure these clowns actually vote | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans.
We had the opportunity to change to to PR, which has always been a Liberal 3rd party policy and the electorate voted against it.
Was interesting that the local police commissioner was elected via pr though
That was such a *weird* referendum
Wasn't it? I do remember that almost no one I knew had a clue what it was about, or the differences between the two systems
I remember lots of time on why British voters are not as smart as Australian voters, based on the scariest bits of the Australian electoral system.
Give yourself some fucking credit, guys
I just prefer the system of voting for your one choice from those available, one with the most individual votes wins, regardless of whether that was the one I voted for.
You know what they say,
‘Simple is as simple does’
Problem is, that's not how our current system works
Are you saying that when I go to the polling station and vote, from the choice in front of me ,the individual with the most votes doesn’t win in our current system?
Am I missing something. "Yup. Power is given to the party with the most MPs. The political boundaries to elect each MP aren't equal, and have been moved in recent years by, guess who? | |||
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"Has it occurred to the snowflake left that the reason the Tory machine keeps rolling is because of your antics..." The snowflake left that nearly toppled the tories under Corbyn, despite being hamstrung by his own party? | |||
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"How long were labour in power for during the first few years of this century ? Funny how they or their supporters wernt calling for PR then, its the usual football crowd blaming the ref for losing instead of realising you were playing crap. Labour will get back into power when they have decent policies that the majority want, after all you all think Boris is so shit surely it cant be hard to beat him can it ?????????????" It shouldn't be. That's why Starmer is doing such a bad job | |||
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"Has it occurred to the snowflake left that the reason the Tory machine keeps rolling is because of your antics... The snowflake left that nearly toppled the tories under Corbyn, despite being hamstrung by his own party?" Nearly toppled the Tories? Corbyn could not topple a garden gnome .. | |||
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"I'm out. Off to chill. Regardless how you take anything I've said. Please fact check what you read in general. Preferably from multiple sources, preferably not all that you agree with to start with. Have a look into critical thinking, just give it a google. Peace" Critical thinking? How elitist and mean to suggest that might be a good idea | |||
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"I'm out. Off to chill. Regardless how you take anything I've said. Please fact check what you read in general. Preferably from multiple sources, preferably not all that you agree with to start with. Have a look into critical thinking, just give it a google. Peace" Just checked all media.. Result...Starmer and Labour spanked | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans.
We had the opportunity to change to to PR, which has always been a Liberal 3rd party policy and the electorate voted against it.
Was interesting that the local police commissioner was elected via pr though
That was such a *weird* referendum
Wasn't it? I do remember that almost no one I knew had a clue what it was about, or the differences between the two systems
I remember lots of time on why British voters are not as smart as Australian voters, based on the scariest bits of the Australian electoral system.
Give yourself some fucking credit, guys
I just prefer the system of voting for your one choice from those available, one with the most individual votes wins, regardless of whether that was the one I voted for.
You know what they say,
‘Simple is as simple does’
Problem is, that's not how our current system works
Are you saying that when I go to the polling station and vote, from the choice in front of me ,the individual with the most votes doesn’t win in our current system?
Am I missing something.
Yup. Power is given to the party with the most MPs. The political boundaries to elect each MP aren't equal, and have been moved in recent years by, guess who?"Oh dear, the constituency boundaries are set by an independant commission, they decided several times that they currently give labour an advantage as it takes more votes to get a tory MP than a labour one, | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. I disagree Chill. I’m not a big politics person, but I think the only way forward for any party is to be more centralist. It’s the way to get majorities. Polarisation of far left and right ideology is not representative of the population. Labour have too appeal to a wider audience to get into government, going harder to the left will be their downfall. Society has changed since their heyday, the people in blue collar jobs who were their backbone now have different aspirations. They have to find a way of making their socialist beliefs relevant to the changing audience, that will inevitably have too involve a move to the centre. Just my thoughts I’m sure others will disagree with me.
There's an argument for that, but also about changing to proportional representation, rather than the right wing moving goalposts to stay in power as we have now. What our media considers far left, is pretty standard in a lot of other countries, and those countries have longer, happier lifespans.
We had the opportunity to change to to PR, which has always been a Liberal 3rd party policy and the electorate voted against it.
Was interesting that the local police commissioner was elected via pr though
That was such a *weird* referendum
Wasn't it? I do remember that almost no one I knew had a clue what it was about, or the differences between the two systems
I remember lots of time on why British voters are not as smart as Australian voters, based on the scariest bits of the Australian electoral system.
Give yourself some fucking credit, guys
I just prefer the system of voting for your one choice from those available, one with the most individual votes wins, regardless of whether that was the one I voted for.
You know what they say,
‘Simple is as simple does’
Problem is, that's not how our current system works
Are you saying that when I go to the polling station and vote, from the choice in front of me ,the individual with the most votes doesn’t win in our current system?
Am I missing something.
Yup. Power is given to the party with the most MPs. The political boundaries to elect each MP aren't equal, and have been moved in recent years by, guess who?"Yes, but each candidate within a constituency has exactly the same chance of winning as the candidates they are competing against. I can see we are not going to agree on this are we.
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween." | |||
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"I think covid has played a huge part in this vote I’m sure many things could have been done better But can you imagine how Corbin or abbot would have performed " Yep. We could have had one of the worst death rates in Europe. | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. "Apart from Boris... | |||
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"There is talk of Andy Burnham coming back. He always reminds me of a Thunderbirds puppet.. Labour will never win whole Lionel and his cronies keeping idealising about the far militant left... " I love Andy Burnham. He's done great things for Manchester. | |||
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"Labour need a Woman leader. Thatcher transformed the Tories, Sturgeon has pushed the SNP ever further forward. The Greens have never been more noticeable than when having Caroline Lucas as their leading light. Basically blokes in politics fuck the World up with everything seen as being a fight or competition. Unfortunately Labour do not currently have anyone who stands out to take the reigns." Diane Abbot.. ? | |||
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"Labour need a Woman leader. Thatcher transformed the Tories, Sturgeon has pushed the SNP ever further forward. The Greens have never been more noticeable than when having Caroline Lucas as their leading light. Basically blokes in politics fuck the World up with everything seen as being a fight or competition. Unfortunately Labour do not currently have anyone who stands out to take the reigns. Diane Abbot.. ?" Oh yes please | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. "Here in Wales we have a capable, if a little dull leader who is not afraid of calling himself a socialist who has just been re elected with more votes | |||
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"Labour need a Woman leader. Diane Abbot.. ?" Even the most diehard leftist would agree that would be political suicide far beyond even choosing Jezza Abbott is not in the best of health these days and is nowhere near as capable as in her early years. Labour missed its chance many years ago by not choosing Barbara Castle who whether you agree with her politics and views was truly formidable in the Thatcher sense. | |||
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"Labour's crisis was all too predictable. They abandoned their working class constituency under Blair and in many respects their policies (both national and international) were similar to the conservatives. They squandered the momentum they gained under Corbyn mainly due to Blairites who sabotaged him and ran a baseless campaign affirming he was anti-semitic. The current leader is part of that wing. The fact that labour has given more emphasis to identity politics instead of actual issues that concern the working class only hastened the crisis. Their constant talk of a second brexit referendum was seen as a betrayal to a large chunk of their constituency that voted to leave. Fact is, no capable leaders currently exist in the UK, be it the left, right or inbetween. Did you say momentum under Corbyn.. Hahahaha delusion Didn't he deliver a huge election victory that nearly put him in government?" Funny sort of victory that Like that victory where I nearly won Wimbledon. Lol. | |||
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"There is talk of Andy Burnham coming back. He always reminds me of a Thunderbirds puppet.. Labour will never win whole Lionel and his cronies keeping idealising about the far militant left... " Yep, his head is too big for his body. And that grating voice, nails on a chalkboard. All flat cap “I’m a real Northerner me hang on let me show you my whippet”. | |||
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"Labour need a Woman leader. Thatcher transformed the Tories, Sturgeon has pushed the SNP ever further forward. The Greens have never been more noticeable than when having Caroline Lucas as their leading light. Basically blokes in politics fuck the World up with everything seen as being a fight or competition. Unfortunately Labour do not currently have anyone who stands out to take the reigns. Diane Abbot.. ?" Oh god the forums would explode. So it’s a great idea | |||
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"Labour need a Woman leader. Thatcher transformed the Tories, Sturgeon has pushed the SNP ever further forward. The Greens have never been more noticeable than when having Caroline Lucas as their leading light. Basically blokes in politics fuck the World up with everything seen as being a fight or competition. Unfortunately Labour do not currently have anyone who stands out to take the reigns. Diane Abbot.. ?" When she speaks I literally feel the planet slowing down | |||
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"Like that victory where I nearly won Wimbledon. Lol." Hi Tim | |||
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"The polls all point to Boris Johnson/Tories still having a strong lead over Labour. Firstly - what is wrong with people? This is the man who has overseen the awarding of multi billion pound contracts to “companies” with no relative knowledge or experience in producing products that were needed for front line health workers at their time in need, most of these contracts went to his friends or people within their own network. Then after/during all of this he REFUSED to feed children who were in receipt of free school meals until a 23 year old footballer waded in, did he listen to the uproar before this? No, it took Marcus Rashford convincing him that parents weren’t going to use the additional money for cigarettes or drugs. All the while his bestest pal Priti was bullying many many civil servants, forcing one to take the government to court for constructive dismissal, they settled, he got a pay, the tax payer (the real ones, you and I) paid for it. She kept her job. Anybody who votes Tory in the future needs their head examining. Labour, right now, can fuck off too with there centre politics. Give me Corbyn any day over this insipid clueless bunch. " This is the reason why the Conservatives have a large majority that keeps increasing. A minority of people think others are idiots for not agreeing with them. Meanwhile the majority of people keep quiet and vote for who they would think run the country better. | |||
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"There is talk of Andy Burnham coming back. He always reminds me of a Thunderbirds puppet.. Labour will never win whole Lionel and his cronies keeping idealising about the far militant left... " Arf | |||
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"The polls all point to Boris Johnson/Tories still having a strong lead over Labour. Firstly - what is wrong with people? This is the man who has overseen the awarding of multi billion pound contracts to “companies” with no relative knowledge or experience in producing products that were needed for front line health workers at their time in need, most of these contracts went to his friends or people within their own network. Then after/during all of this he REFUSED to feed children who were in receipt of free school meals until a 23 year old footballer waded in, did he listen to the uproar before this? No, it took Marcus Rashford convincing him that parents weren’t going to use the additional money for cigarettes or drugs. All the while his bestest pal Priti was bullying many many civil servants, forcing one to take the government to court for constructive dismissal, they settled, he got a pay, the tax payer (the real ones, you and I) paid for it. She kept her job. Anybody who votes Tory in the future needs their head examining. Labour, right now, can fuck off too with there centre politics. Give me Corbyn any day over this insipid clueless bunch. This is the reason why the Conservatives have a large majority that keeps increasing. A minority of people think others are idiots for not agreeing with them. Meanwhile the majority of people keep quiet and vote for who they would think run the country better. " Tbf when people say they didnt vote labour because of cuts and foodbanks,they have a point. | |||
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"Has it occurred to the snowflake left that the reason the Tory machine keeps rolling is because of your antics... The snowflake left that nearly toppled the tories under Corbyn, despite being hamstrung by his own party?" Well more accurately, still couldn’t beat the conservatives when they had one of their worst ever campaigns in history. A campaign that even included brining back fox hunting. I genuinely thought they were trying to throw the election so they didn’t have to deal with brexit. | |||
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"Has it occurred to the snowflake left that the reason the Tory machine keeps rolling is because of your antics... The snowflake left that nearly toppled the tories under Corbyn, despite being hamstrung by his own party? Well more accurately, still couldn’t beat the conservatives when they had one of their worst ever campaigns in history. A campaign that even included brining back fox hunting. I genuinely thought they were trying to throw the election so they didn’t have to deal with brexit. " Probally more to do with the fact that we live in a conservative country | |||
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"Has it occurred to the snowflake left that the reason the Tory machine keeps rolling is because of your antics... The snowflake left that nearly toppled the tories under Corbyn, despite being hamstrung by his own party? Well more accurately, still couldn’t beat the conservatives when they had one of their worst ever campaigns in history. A campaign that even included brining back fox hunting. I genuinely thought they were trying to throw the election so they didn’t have to deal with brexit. Probally more to do with the fact that we live in a conservative country " Its nice you recognise that fact. | |||
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"If the lib/dems have any sense they will get their act together come up with some voteable policies and then we might have a credible opposition which the country needs." Lib Dems are going nowhere. Getting into bed with the Tories made them unelectable for anyone except Conservative voters. And they already have someone to vote for. It would take a monumental effort to regain trust from the electorate. | |||
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"If the lib/dems have any sense they will get their act together come up with some voteable policies and then we might have a credible opposition which the country needs. Lib Dems are going nowhere. Getting into bed with the Tories made them unelectable for anyone except Conservative voters. And they already have someone to vote for. It would take a monumental effort to regain trust from the electorate. " They got 1%in hartlepool | |||
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"If the lib/dems have any sense they will get their act together come up with some voteable policies and then we might have a credible opposition which the country needs. Lib Dems are going nowhere. Getting into bed with the Tories made them unelectable for anyone except Conservative voters. And they already have someone to vote for. It would take a monumental effort to regain trust from the electorate. " This is why i said they need to get their act together you have not told me anything i didnt know. | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns..." Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , " Or liverpool Or wales Everywhere else has decided to blame them for 10 years of Tory cuts | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , " i thought you lived in cheshire. | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , i thought you lived in cheshire. "Technically I do, my post code is Cheshire but my mayor is Andy Burnham , Cheshire is a large county | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Or liverpool Or wales Everywhere else has decided to blame them for 10 years of Tory cuts " We have more regional pride here, it’s the same with Liverpool | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , i thought you lived in cheshire.
Technically I do, my post code is Cheshire but my mayor is Andy Burnham , Cheshire is a large county "Right i only pointed it out as you told us all that you didn't live in Manchester you lived in Cheshire the other day . | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , i thought you lived in cheshire.
Technically I do, my post code is Cheshire but my mayor is Andy Burnham , Cheshire is a large county Right i only pointed it out as you told us all that you didn't live in Manchester you lived in Cheshire the other day ."I do, my post code is Cheshire, but I live within greater Manchester that’s why I was eligible to vote for our Mayor . | |||
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"If the lib/dems have any sense they will get their act together come up with some voteable policies and then we might have a credible opposition which the country needs. Lib Dems are going nowhere. Getting into bed with the Tories made them unelectable for anyone except Conservative voters. And they already have someone to vote for. It would take a monumental effort to regain trust from the electorate. This is why i said they need to get their act together you have not told me anything i didnt know." Okay. Steady on chap. Just joining the conversation. | |||
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"Lol. So you say I live in Cheshire when you don't want to say you live in Manchester? Like when someone says they live in Cheshire Oaks, but actually they live in Bromborough. " I live in Cheshire, it really is that simple, my post code is Cheshire, | |||
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"Lol. So you say I live in Cheshire when you don't want to say you live in Manchester? Like when someone says they live in Cheshire Oaks, but actually they live in Bromborough. I live in Cheshire, it really is that simple, my post code is Cheshire, "Glad you got that sorted. | |||
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"Lol. So you say I live in Cheshire when you don't want to say you live in Manchester? Like when someone says they live in Cheshire Oaks, but actually they live in Bromborough. I live in Cheshire, it really is that simple, my post code is Cheshire,
Glad you got that sorted. "And my Mayor is Andy Burnham, I am so proud to live in this area, less proud to live in the UK, | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , " Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits. | |||
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"Lol. So you say I live in Cheshire when you don't want to say you live in Manchester? Like when someone says they live in Cheshire Oaks, but actually they live in Bromborough. I live in Cheshire, it really is that simple, my post code is Cheshire,
Glad you got that sorted.
And my Mayor is Andy Burnham, I am so proud to live in this area, less proud to live in the UK, "King of t'north | |||
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"Lol. So you say I live in Cheshire when you don't want to say you live in Manchester? Like when someone says they live in Cheshire Oaks, but actually they live in Bromborough. I live in Cheshire, it really is that simple, my post code is Cheshire,
Glad you got that sorted.
And my Mayor is Andy Burnham, I am so proud to live in this area, less proud to live in the UK, "Andy is a top guy - no pun - he is doing well in Manchester and appears to be very well respected. I'm glad for you. We need more like him. Sad Liverpool (allegedly) has gone the way it has. | |||
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"Lol. So you say I live in Cheshire when you don't want to say you live in Manchester? Like when someone says they live in Cheshire Oaks, but actually they live in Bromborough. I live in Cheshire, it really is that simple, my post code is Cheshire,
Glad you got that sorted.
And my Mayor is Andy Burnham, I am so proud to live in this area, less proud to live in the UK,
Andy is a top guy - no pun - he is doing well in Manchester and appears to be very well respected. I'm glad for you. We need more like him. Sad Liverpool (allegedly) has gone the way it has. "Liverpool will be fine, they are a great city, | |||
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"Lol. So you say I live in Cheshire when you don't want to say you live in Manchester? Like when someone says they live in Cheshire Oaks, but actually they live in Bromborough. I live in Cheshire, it really is that simple, my post code is Cheshire,
Glad you got that sorted.
And my Mayor is Andy Burnham, I am so proud to live in this area, less proud to live in the UK,
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits. "Have a look on a map, Stockport and it’s surrounding areas are Cheshire, most are within greater Manchester, I live in Cheshire and greater Manchester . Very proud to live here right now | |||
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"Lol. So you say I live in Cheshire when you don't want to say you live in Manchester? Like when someone says they live in Cheshire Oaks, but actually they live in Bromborough. I live in Cheshire, it really is that simple, my post code is Cheshire,
Glad you got that sorted.
And my Mayor is Andy Burnham, I am so proud to live in this area, less proud to live in the UK,
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"Lol. So you say I live in Cheshire when you don't want to say you live in Manchester? Like when someone says they live in Cheshire Oaks, but actually they live in Bromborough. I live in Cheshire, it really is that simple, my post code is Cheshire,
Glad you got that sorted.
And my Mayor is Andy Burnham, I am so proud to live in this area, less proud to live in the UK,
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Spot on, good to see Kahn get re elected as well
King of the North West ...
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"Lol. So you say I live in Cheshire when you don't want to say you live in Manchester? Like when someone says they live in Cheshire Oaks, but actually they live in Bromborough. I live in Cheshire, it really is that simple, my post code is Cheshire,
Glad you got that sorted.
And my Mayor is Andy Burnham, I am so proud to live in this area, less proud to live in the UK,
King of t'north
Spot on, good to see Kahn get re elected as well
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Great man, makes you proud to live here "Indeed - I watched his acceptance speech - powerful stuff - the transport plan looks fantastic . Just to note though, the North doesn’t end at Manchester / Leeds | |||
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"Lol. So you say I live in Cheshire when you don't want to say you live in Manchester? Like when someone says they live in Cheshire Oaks, but actually they live in Bromborough. I live in Cheshire, it really is that simple, my post code is Cheshire,
Glad you got that sorted.
And my Mayor is Andy Burnham, I am so proud to live in this area, less proud to live in the UK,
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Spot on, good to see Kahn get re elected as well
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Great man, makes you proud to live here "You feel proud that a guy who was a shoe-in was re-elected? Surely there's way more things about Greater Manchester to feel proud about. Who the mayor is isn't even near the top of that list | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits.
Have a look on a map, Stockport and it’s surrounding areas are Cheshire, most are within greater Manchester, I live in Cheshire and greater Manchester . Very proud to live here right now "Yes i understand that, what i dont understand is why the other day you posted "i don't live in Manchester i live in Cheshire" what has changed? | |||
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"Lol. So you say I live in Cheshire when you don't want to say you live in Manchester? Like when someone says they live in Cheshire Oaks, but actually they live in Bromborough. I live in Cheshire, it really is that simple, my post code is Cheshire,
Glad you got that sorted.
And my Mayor is Andy Burnham, I am so proud to live in this area, less proud to live in the UK,
King of t'north
Spot on, good to see Kahn get re elected as well
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Great man, makes you proud to live here
Indeed - I watched his acceptance speech - powerful stuff - the transport plan looks fantastic .
Just to note though, the North doesn’t end at Manchester / Leeds "Correct, it also includes Liverpool , Sheffield great cities, great Mayors | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits.
Have a look on a map, Stockport and it’s surrounding areas are Cheshire, most are within greater Manchester, I live in Cheshire and greater Manchester . Very proud to live here right now Yes i understand that, what i dont understand is why the other day you posted "i don't live in Manchester i live in Cheshire" what has changed? "It’s very simple, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, Manchester is a city, I don’t live there | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits.
Have a look on a map, Stockport and it’s surrounding areas are Cheshire, most are within greater Manchester, I live in Cheshire and greater Manchester . Very proud to live here right now Yes i understand that, what i dont understand is why the other day you posted "i don't live in Manchester i live in Cheshire" what has changed?
It’s very simple, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, Manchester is a city, I don’t live there "Why are the North West holding on to Labour more than the North East. I think I read your earlier comment possibly suggesting the North West has more pride - in the area and themselves ? Is this suggesting the electorate of the North East have less or no pride in the area they live and for themselves because they are rejecting Labour ? | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits.
Have a look on a map, Stockport and it’s surrounding areas are Cheshire, most are within greater Manchester, I live in Cheshire and greater Manchester . Very proud to live here right now Yes i understand that, what i dont understand is why the other day you posted "i don't live in Manchester i live in Cheshire" what has changed?
It’s very simple, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, Manchester is a city, I don’t live there "But earlier you said you did and were so glad to live there. | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits.
Have a look on a map, Stockport and it’s surrounding areas are Cheshire, most are within greater Manchester, I live in Cheshire and greater Manchester . Very proud to live here right now Yes i understand that, what i dont understand is why the other day you posted "i don't live in Manchester i live in Cheshire" what has changed?
It’s very simple, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, Manchester is a city, I don’t live there But earlier you said you did and were so glad to live there."You do realise that Andy Burnham is the mayor of greater Manchester not just Manchester ? Anyway , it’s great to live here, | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits.
Have a look on a map, Stockport and it’s surrounding areas are Cheshire, most are within greater Manchester, I live in Cheshire and greater Manchester . Very proud to live here right now Yes i understand that, what i dont understand is why the other day you posted "i don't live in Manchester i live in Cheshire" what has changed?
It’s very simple, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, Manchester is a city, I don’t live there
Why are the North West holding on to Labour more than the North East.
I think I read your earlier comment possibly suggesting the North West has more pride - in the area and themselves ?
Is this suggesting the electorate of the North East have less or no pride in the area they live and for themselves because they are rejecting Labour ?"Could be, I can’t speak for the north east but they have had it rough for a long time, I hope they get the jobs and investment they deserve | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits.
Have a look on a map, Stockport and it’s surrounding areas are Cheshire, most are within greater Manchester, I live in Cheshire and greater Manchester . Very proud to live here right now Yes i understand that, what i dont understand is why the other day you posted "i don't live in Manchester i live in Cheshire" what has changed?
It’s very simple, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, Manchester is a city, I don’t live there But earlier you said you did and were so glad to live there.
You do realise that Andy Burnham is the mayor of greater Manchester not just Manchester ? Anyway , it’s great to live here, "Yes i understand that still doesnt explain your chang of mind. | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits.
Have a look on a map, Stockport and it’s surrounding areas are Cheshire, most are within greater Manchester, I live in Cheshire and greater Manchester . Very proud to live here right now Yes i understand that, what i dont understand is why the other day you posted "i don't live in Manchester i live in Cheshire" what has changed?
It’s very simple, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, Manchester is a city, I don’t live there But earlier you said you did and were so glad to live there.
You do realise that Andy Burnham is the mayor of greater Manchester not just Manchester ? Anyway , it’s great to live here, Yes i understand that still doesnt explain your chang of mind. "I haven’t changed my mind, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits.
Have a look on a map, Stockport and it’s surrounding areas are Cheshire, most are within greater Manchester, I live in Cheshire and greater Manchester . Very proud to live here right now Yes i understand that, what i dont understand is why the other day you posted "i don't live in Manchester i live in Cheshire" what has changed?
It’s very simple, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, Manchester is a city, I don’t live there But earlier you said you did and were so glad to live there.
You do realise that Andy Burnham is the mayor of greater Manchester not just Manchester ? Anyway , it’s great to live here, Yes i understand that still doesnt explain your chang of mind.
I haven’t changed my mind, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, "But not Manchester | |||
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"Just a point of Order here Mr Speaker . . . The chair recognises the Members for Staffordshire . . . Thank you Mr Speaker . . . "Greater Manchester, metropolitan county in northwestern England. It encompasses one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country and comprises 10 metropolitan boroughs: Bolton, Bury, Oldham, Rochdale, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford, Wigan, and the cities of Salford and Manchester." Andy Burnham is the Mayor of Greater Manchester. (waving of order papers around the House)" Just showing fab how annoying it is derailing a thread over one word as ive been told in the past "its just banter" | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits.
Have a look on a map, Stockport and it’s surrounding areas are Cheshire, most are within greater Manchester, I live in Cheshire and greater Manchester . Very proud to live here right now Yes i understand that, what i dont understand is why the other day you posted "i don't live in Manchester i live in Cheshire" what has changed?
It’s very simple, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, Manchester is a city, I don’t live there But earlier you said you did and were so glad to live there.
You do realise that Andy Burnham is the mayor of greater Manchester not just Manchester ? Anyway , it’s great to live here, Yes i understand that still doesnt explain your chang of mind.
I haven’t changed my mind, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, But not Manchester "No, greater Manchester, I apologise that I didn’t make that clear in my initial post . Anyway, Are you proud of the region you live in? I find that the people of Manchester are prouder of the region than the country they live in , it is understandable | |||
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"Just a point of Order here Mr Speaker . . . The chair recognises the Members for Staffordshire . . . Thank you Mr Speaker . . . "Greater Manchester, metropolitan county in northwestern England. It encompasses one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country and comprises 10 metropolitan boroughs: Bolton, Bury, Oldham, Rochdale, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford, Wigan, and the cities of Salford and Manchester." Andy Burnham is the Mayor of Greater Manchester. (waving of order papers around the House) Just showing fab how annoying it is derailing a thread over one word as ive been told in the past "its just banter" "It’s good bantz, it’s not my thread so crack on | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits.
Have a look on a map, Stockport and it’s surrounding areas are Cheshire, most are within greater Manchester, I live in Cheshire and greater Manchester . Very proud to live here right now Yes i understand that, what i dont understand is why the other day you posted "i don't live in Manchester i live in Cheshire" what has changed?
It’s very simple, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, Manchester is a city, I don’t live there But earlier you said you did and were so glad to live there.
You do realise that Andy Burnham is the mayor of greater Manchester not just Manchester ? Anyway , it’s great to live here, Yes i understand that still doesnt explain your chang of mind.
I haven’t changed my mind, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, But not Manchester
No, greater Manchester, I apologise that I didn’t make that clear in my initial post . Anyway, Are you proud of the region you live in? I find that the people of Manchester are prouder of the region than the country they live in , it is understandable "Im proud of the country i live in mate not just the region. | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits.
Have a look on a map, Stockport and it’s surrounding areas are Cheshire, most are within greater Manchester, I live in Cheshire and greater Manchester . Very proud to live here right now Yes i understand that, what i dont understand is why the other day you posted "i don't live in Manchester i live in Cheshire" what has changed?
It’s very simple, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, Manchester is a city, I don’t live there But earlier you said you did and were so glad to live there.
You do realise that Andy Burnham is the mayor of greater Manchester not just Manchester ? Anyway , it’s great to live here, Yes i understand that still doesnt explain your chang of mind.
I haven’t changed my mind, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, But not Manchester
No, greater Manchester, I apologise that I didn’t make that clear in my initial post . Anyway, Are you proud of the region you live in? I find that the people of Manchester are prouder of the region than the country they live in , it is understandable Im proud of the country i live in mate not just the region. "I wish I could say the same, it’s great to live in ‘greater Manchester ‘ though | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits.
Have a look on a map, Stockport and it’s surrounding areas are Cheshire, most are within greater Manchester, I live in Cheshire and greater Manchester . Very proud to live here right now Yes i understand that, what i dont understand is why the other day you posted "i don't live in Manchester i live in Cheshire" what has changed?
It’s very simple, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, Manchester is a city, I don’t live there But earlier you said you did and were so glad to live there.
You do realise that Andy Burnham is the mayor of greater Manchester not just Manchester ? Anyway , it’s great to live here, Yes i understand that still doesnt explain your chang of mind.
I haven’t changed my mind, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, But not Manchester
No, greater Manchester, I apologise that I didn’t make that clear in my initial post . Anyway, Are you proud of the region you live in? I find that the people of Manchester are prouder of the region than the country they live in , it is understandable Im proud of the country i live in mate not just the region.
I wish I could say the same, it’s great to live in ‘greater Manchester ‘ though "of course it is its part of the uk. | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits.
Have a look on a map, Stockport and it’s surrounding areas are Cheshire, most are within greater Manchester, I live in Cheshire and greater Manchester . Very proud to live here right now Yes i understand that, what i dont understand is why the other day you posted "i don't live in Manchester i live in Cheshire" what has changed?
It’s very simple, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, Manchester is a city, I don’t live there But earlier you said you did and were so glad to live there.
You do realise that Andy Burnham is the mayor of greater Manchester not just Manchester ? Anyway , it’s great to live here, Yes i understand that still doesnt explain your chang of mind.
I haven’t changed my mind, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, But not Manchester
No, greater Manchester, I apologise that I didn’t make that clear in my initial post . Anyway, Are you proud of the region you live in? I find that the people of Manchester are prouder of the region than the country they live in , it is understandable "Same here | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick " Because he hasn't worked down a mine
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?"Let me just check.... Oh apparently other proper jobs are available. Including in Manchester. | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits.
Have a look on a map, Stockport and it’s surrounding areas are Cheshire, most are within greater Manchester, I live in Cheshire and greater Manchester . Very proud to live here right now Yes i understand that, what i dont understand is why the other day you posted "i don't live in Manchester i live in Cheshire" what has changed?
It’s very simple, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, Manchester is a city, I don’t live there But earlier you said you did and were so glad to live there.
You do realise that Andy Burnham is the mayor of greater Manchester not just Manchester ? Anyway , it’s great to live here, Yes i understand that still doesnt explain your chang of mind.
I haven’t changed my mind, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, But not Manchester
No, greater Manchester, I apologise that I didn’t make that clear in my initial post . Anyway, Are you proud of the region you live in? I find that the people of Manchester are prouder of the region than the country they live in , it is understandable Im proud of the country i live in mate not just the region.
I wish I could say the same, it’s great to live in ‘greater Manchester ‘ though "Maybe you would if you tried living in some other areas and see how proud people are of those, it may change your perspective of the country and not be so insular. | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?"The one that single handedly roused our nation ? | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?
The one that single handedly roused our nation ?"Arise Sir Nigel Farage... The Lord Protector.. | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?
The one that single handedly roused our nation ?"Erm..no...the one that led simpletons to believe Farage was a man of the people. | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?
Let me just check....
Oh apparently other proper jobs are available.
Including in Manchester. "How many "real'jobs has clown alex had? | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?
The one that single handedly roused our nation ?
Erm..no...the one that led simpletons to believe Farage was a man of the people."18 000, 000. How insulting | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?
The one that single handedly roused our nation ?
Erm..no...the one that led simpletons to believe Farage was a man of the people.
18 000, 000. How insulting "18 million voted for him to be elected as an mp and he still didnt win? That must have been a huge constituency? | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?
The one that single handedly roused our nation ?"Or 17.4 million out of 60 odd million.. Which tells me a majority didn't get any sort of rousing from the Muppet.. | |||
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"Let's put it another way.. 52% Voted to leave the EU...48% voted to stay..." Of those who voted.. | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?
The one that single handedly roused our nation ?
Arise Sir Nigel Farage...
The Lord Protector.."Why hasn’t he been knighted?? | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?
The one that single handedly roused our nation ?
Or 17.4 million out of 60 odd million..
Which tells me a majority didn't get any sort of rousing from the Muppet.."These grapes get more sour by the day... | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?
The one that single handedly roused our nation ?
Arise Sir Nigel Farage...
The Lord Protector..
Why hasn’t he been knighted?? "Fucked off to Germany? | |||
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"Let's put it another way.. 52% Voted to leave the EU...48% voted to stay... Of those who voted.. "A drowning man clutches at straws... | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits.
Have a look on a map, Stockport and it’s surrounding areas are Cheshire, most are within greater Manchester, I live in Cheshire and greater Manchester . Very proud to live here right now Yes i understand that, what i dont understand is why the other day you posted "i don't live in Manchester i live in Cheshire" what has changed?
It’s very simple, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, Manchester is a city, I don’t live there But earlier you said you did and were so glad to live there.
You do realise that Andy Burnham is the mayor of greater Manchester not just Manchester ? Anyway , it’s great to live here, Yes i understand that still doesnt explain your chang of mind.
I haven’t changed my mind, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, But not Manchester
No, greater Manchester, I apologise that I didn’t make that clear in my initial post . Anyway, Are you proud of the region you live in? I find that the people of Manchester are prouder of the region than the country they live in , it is understandable Im proud of the country i live in mate not just the region.
I wish I could say the same, it’s great to live in ‘greater Manchester ‘ though Maybe you would if you tried living in some other areas and see how proud people are of those, it may change your perspective of the country and not be so insular."Maybe, maybe not, tbh I like London, Sheffield, Liverpool , Leeds, great cities | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?
The one that single handedly roused our nation ?
Or 17.4 million out of 60 odd million..
Which tells me a majority didn't get any sort of rousing from the Muppet..
These grapes get more sour by the day..."Stop drinking British wine then | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?
The one that single handedly roused our nation ?
Or 17.4 million out of 60 odd million..
Which tells me a majority didn't get any sort of rousing from the Muppet..
These grapes get more sour by the day..."No it's all fine result accepted of course Tom.. Just that the bs of spinning lies about what happened sort of needs correcting.. Unless you're just making it up..  | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?
The one that single handedly roused our nation ?
Or 17.4 million out of 60 odd million..
Which tells me a majority didn't get any sort of rousing from the Muppet.."But only 46.5 million were eligible to vote so 60 mil is not a true figure.  | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick " He is a great man, loved in the area, who is your mayor? | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?
The one that single handedly roused our nation ?
Or 17.4 million out of 60 odd million..
Which tells me a majority didn't get any sort of rousing from the Muppet..But only 46.5 million were eligible to vote so 60 mil is not a true figure. "Fair point, what percentage is 17.4 million of 46.5 million if you would be so kind Costa..? | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?
The one that single handedly roused our nation ?
Or 17.4 million out of 60 odd million..
Which tells me a majority didn't get any sort of rousing from the Muppet..
These grapes get more sour by the day...
No it's all fine result accepted of course Tom..
Just that the bs of spinning lies about what happened sort of needs correcting..
Unless you're just making it up.."Lies .. ? Please accept democracy...it was a people's vote and the majority voted leave...if you can't accept that then you don't accept democracy | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?
The one that single handedly roused our nation ?
Or 17.4 million out of 60 odd million..
Which tells me a majority didn't get any sort of rousing from the Muppet..But only 46.5 million were eligible to vote so 60 mil is not a true figure.
Fair point, what percentage is 17.4 million of 46.5 million if you would be so kind Costa..?"And if the other way round..? No complaint from you obviously...or do you want it compulsory for everyone to vote? | |||
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"Labour rejected.. Some say there are two parties here...the left Corbyn clowns and the Starmer Centre.. Clowns... Labour were not rejected in Manchester, I am so glad I live here , Come on mate you know the rules people get pulled on here for mis spelling something let alone where they live you cant change it when it suits.
Have a look on a map, Stockport and it’s surrounding areas are Cheshire, most are within greater Manchester, I live in Cheshire and greater Manchester . Very proud to live here right now Yes i understand that, what i dont understand is why the other day you posted "i don't live in Manchester i live in Cheshire" what has changed?
It’s very simple, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, Manchester is a city, I don’t live there But earlier you said you did and were so glad to live there.
You do realise that Andy Burnham is the mayor of greater Manchester not just Manchester ? Anyway , it’s great to live here, Yes i understand that still doesnt explain your chang of mind.
I haven’t changed my mind, I live in Cheshire & greater Manchester, But not Manchester
No, greater Manchester, I apologise that I didn’t make that clear in my initial post . Anyway, Are you proud of the region you live in? I find that the people of Manchester are prouder of the region than the country they live in , it is understandable Im proud of the country i live in mate not just the region.
I wish I could say the same, it’s great to live in ‘greater Manchester ‘ though Maybe you would if you tried living in some other areas and see how proud people are of those, it may change your perspective of the country and not be so insular.
Maybe, maybe not, tbh I like London, Sheffield, Liverpool , Leeds, great cities "There you go then you should try places like devon and cornwall for instance or bristol all great places and people who are proud of their regions pretty son you will see that the uk is a great place to live. | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?
The one that single handedly roused our nation ?
Or 17.4 million out of 60 odd million..
Which tells me a majority didn't get any sort of rousing from the Muppet..
These grapes get more sour by the day...
No it's all fine result accepted of course Tom..
Just that the bs of spinning lies about what happened sort of needs correcting..
Unless you're just making it up.."Please tell your truth... | |||
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"Andy Burnham has never had a proper job outside of politics Ridiculous man of the people shtick Because he hasn't worked down a mine
Maybe he should get a picture of him drinking a pint like that pond life farage?
The one that single handedly roused our nation ?
Or 17.4 million out of 60 odd million..
Which tells me a majority didn't get any sort of rousing from the Muppet..But only 46.5 million were eligible to vote so 60 mil is not a true figure.
Fair point, what percentage is 17.4 million of 46.5 million if you would be so kind Costa..?
And if the other way round..?
No complaint from you obviously...or do you want it compulsory for everyone to vote?"On such an issue it certainly should have been considered as a compulsory referendum yes.. | |||
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