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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"How do you think the voting will go in wales? I can see labour losing seats there too."
Have been at the Trafford Centre this morning, so I am in serious need of a catch-up.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Conservatives have only gained Vale of Clwyd from Labour
All other seats announced so far have been held
A lot of big seats that the Tories were targeting Labour have managed to hold so far  |
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"Conservatives have only gained Vale of Clwyd from Labour
All other seats announced so far have been held
A lot of big seats that the Tories were targeting Labour have managed to hold so far "
Oh dear
How embarrassing |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Conservatives have only gained Vale of Clwyd from Labour
All other seats announced so far have been held
A lot of big seats that the Tories were targeting Labour have managed to hold so far
Oh dear
How embarrassing "
There is big talk they'll take Brecon and Radnorshire off the Lib Dems though
With rumour of Labour taking Rhondda off Plaid
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What happened to the Welsh nationalist party. "
Which one?
Plaid have lost one seat to Labour, in Rhondda and have held all their others
Regional results are still coming in, so there's scope for them to pick up more.
Propel, none so far, nor Gwlad |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How do you think the voting will go in wales? I can see labour losing seats there too."
Sorry to disappoint you, but Labour now have enough seats for a working majority in the Senedd |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How do you think the voting will go in wales? I can see labour losing seats there too.
Sorry to disappoint you, but Labour now have enough seats for a working majority in the Senedd "
Always loved the Welsh .
They know whats going on !
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
I see an element of "covid incumbency" here.
Wales have seen Mark Drakeford daily, Scotland have Nicola Sturgeon, and England have had various Conservatives, all doing the covid briefings.
The vote in each of these countries has reflected that. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"How do you think the voting will go in wales? I can see labour losing seats there too.
Sorry to disappoint you, but Labour now have enough seats for a working majority in the Senedd "
yes i was definitely wrong there i thought plaid would take many more seats. |
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"I see an element of "covid incumbency" here.
Wales have seen Mark Drakeford daily, Scotland have Nicola Sturgeon, and England have had various Conservatives, all doing the covid briefings.
The vote in each of these countries has reflected that. "
Very good synopsis, after 15 months of changes many of us have never seen in our lives it's looking that way.. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"How do you think the voting will go in wales? I can see labour losing seats there too.
Sorry to disappoint you, but Labour now have enough seats for a working majority in the Senedd yes i was definitely wrong there i thought plaid would take many more seats."
To be fair we have been told a lot that the UK would break up following brexit so you would expect nationalists like plyd to do well, bit like the SNP |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Labour and Scotland swingimg to the left whilst England ,well most of it,endorses the right."
Pretty traditional then. Labour are 're asserting themselves in Wales much at the expense of the local independent party. As far as I know Labour are in favour of the union. Maybe SKS could ask the Welsh Labour leader how he does so much better |
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
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"Labour and Scotland swingimg to the left whilst England ,well most of it,endorses the right.
Pretty traditional then. Labour are 're asserting themselves in Wales much at the expense of the local independent party. As far as I know Labour are in favour of the union. Maybe SKS could ask the Welsh Labour leader how he does so much better"
Labour are in favour of the Union, but it’s a bit more complicated than that. A growing proportion of Welsh Labour voters say they would vote for independence in a referendum.
The idea that only Plaid voters are independence voters is no longer the case. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Labour and Scotland swingimg to the left whilst England ,well most of it,endorses the right.
Pretty traditional then. Labour are 're asserting themselves in Wales much at the expense of the local independent party. As far as I know Labour are in favour of the union. Maybe SKS could ask the Welsh Labour leader how he does so much better
Labour are in favour of the Union, but it’s a bit more complicated than that. A growing proportion of Welsh Labour voters say they would vote for independence in a referendum.
The idea that only Plaid voters are independence voters is no longer the case."
Like you say Socksy, most people outside of Wales seem to think the independence movement is soley related to Plaid as this suits their narrative, rather than accepting it is gathering momentum among other parties
I think what may or may not happen in Scotland will swing opinion here, and I can see Welsh Labour becoming more open to the idea should the Scots go their own way
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"Labour and Scotland swingimg to the left whilst England ,well most of it,endorses the right.
Pretty traditional then. Labour are 're asserting themselves in Wales much at the expense of the local independent party. As far as I know Labour are in favour of the union. Maybe SKS could ask the Welsh Labour leader how he does so much better
Labour are in favour of the Union, but it’s a bit more complicated than that. A growing proportion of Welsh Labour voters say they would vote for independence in a referendum.
The idea that only Plaid voters are independence voters is no longer the case.
Like you say Socksy, most people outside of Wales seem to think the independence movement is soley related to Plaid as this suits their narrative, rather than accepting it is gathering momentum among other parties
I think what may or may not happen in Scotland will swing opinion here, and I can see Welsh Labour becoming more open to the idea should the Scots go their own way
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It’s all a dream, honestly. Labour would never be associated with breaking the union, that’s preposterous.
Never going to happen. |
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"Labour and Scotland swingimg to the left whilst England ,well most of it,endorses the right.
Pretty traditional then. Labour are 're asserting themselves in Wales much at the expense of the local independent party. As far as I know Labour are in favour of the union. Maybe SKS could ask the Welsh Labour leader how he does so much better
Labour are in favour of the Union, but it’s a bit more complicated than that. A growing proportion of Welsh Labour voters say they would vote for independence in a referendum.
The idea that only Plaid voters are independence voters is no longer the case.
Like you say Socksy, most people outside of Wales seem to think the independence movement is soley related to Plaid as this suits their narrative, rather than accepting it is gathering momentum among other parties
I think what may or may not happen in Scotland will swing opinion here, and I can see Welsh Labour becoming more open to the idea should the Scots go their own way
It’s all a dream, honestly. Labour would never be associated with breaking the union, that’s preposterous.
Never going to happen."
If it's all a dream then the unionists have nothing whatsoever to worry about |
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"Labour and Scotland swingimg to the left whilst England ,well most of it,endorses the right.
Pretty traditional then. Labour are 're asserting themselves in Wales much at the expense of the local independent party. As far as I know Labour are in favour of the union. Maybe SKS could ask the Welsh Labour leader how he does so much better"
Anyone can tell SKS that .
The Welsh arent daft . |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"Labour and Scotland swingimg to the left whilst England ,well most of it,endorses the right.
Pretty traditional then. Labour are 're asserting themselves in Wales much at the expense of the local independent party. As far as I know Labour are in favour of the union. Maybe SKS could ask the Welsh Labour leader how he does so much better
Labour are in favour of the Union, but it’s a bit more complicated than that. A growing proportion of Welsh Labour voters say they would vote for independence in a referendum.
The idea that only Plaid voters are independence voters is no longer the case.
Like you say Socksy, most people outside of Wales seem to think the independence movement is soley related to Plaid as this suits their narrative, rather than accepting it is gathering momentum among other parties
I think what may or may not happen in Scotland will swing opinion here, and I can see Welsh Labour becoming more open to the idea should the Scots go their own way
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so those that want indipendance vote for a party that is against it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Labour and Scotland swingimg to the left whilst England ,well most of it,endorses the right.
Pretty traditional then. Labour are 're asserting themselves in Wales much at the expense of the local independent party. As far as I know Labour are in favour of the union. Maybe SKS could ask the Welsh Labour leader how he does so much better
Anyone can tell SKS that .
The Welsh arent daft ."
I'm not a labour voter but I just don't get Starmer.
I get Drakeford and can relate to him |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Labour and Scotland swingimg to the left whilst England ,well most of it,endorses the right.
Pretty traditional then. Labour are 're asserting themselves in Wales much at the expense of the local independent party. As far as I know Labour are in favour of the union. Maybe SKS could ask the Welsh Labour leader how he does so much better
Labour are in favour of the Union, but it’s a bit more complicated than that. A growing proportion of Welsh Labour voters say they would vote for independence in a referendum.
The idea that only Plaid voters are independence voters is no longer the case.
Like you say Socksy, most people outside of Wales seem to think the independence movement is soley related to Plaid as this suits their narrative, rather than accepting it is gathering momentum among other parties
I think what may or may not happen in Scotland will swing opinion here, and I can see Welsh Labour becoming more open to the idea should the Scots go their own way
so those that want indipendance vote for a party that is against it?"
I think the fact that all Senedd seats went to pro devolution parties, whilst anti devolution right wing parties lost any existing seats and gained none
Some were predicting Abolish to take 1 or 2 seats and they didn't get any
Independence is a long way off yet for Wales, noone is under the disilusion that it is a few years away.
There will be generations to come who will shape the long term future of Wales, especially when the older staunch pro union generations start to die out
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"Labour and Scotland swingimg to the left whilst England ,well most of it,endorses the right.
Pretty traditional then. Labour are 're asserting themselves in Wales much at the expense of the local independent party. As far as I know Labour are in favour of the union. Maybe SKS could ask the Welsh Labour leader how he does so much better
Anyone can tell SKS that .
The Welsh arent daft .
I'm not a labour voter but I just don't get Starmer.
I get Drakeford and can relate to him "
I've been dodging the politics... I can't abide the gloating of one side and the sneering of the other and the ignorance and laziness of people who won't participate but moan like it's someone else's fault.
So when I looked and saw what Labour have done in Wales... Well all I can say is we'll done to drakeford.
All political parties might want to look at how conservative he has been re the virus... How cautious but caring...
He seems like a nice guy who cares and who doesn't enter into the crass personality led politics of the rest of the UK. |
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"Labour and Scotland swingimg to the left whilst England ,well most of it,endorses the right.
Pretty traditional then. Labour are 're asserting themselves in Wales much at the expense of the local independent party. As far as I know Labour are in favour of the union. Maybe SKS could ask the Welsh Labour leader how he does so much better
Anyone can tell SKS that .
The Welsh arent daft .
I'm not a labour voter but I just don't get Starmer.
I get Drakeford and can relate to him
I've been dodging the politics... I can't abide the gloating of one side and the sneering of the other and the ignorance and laziness of people who won't participate but moan like it's someone else's fault.
So when I looked and saw what Labour have done in Wales... Well all I can say is we'll done to drakeford.
All political parties might want to look at how conservative he has been re the virus... How cautious but caring...
He seems like a nice guy who cares and who doesn't enter into the crass personality led politics of the rest of the UK. "
I agree
He has got on my nerves at times but on the whole I think he has got most things right and has done all along what he believes is best for the people of Wales |
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"Labour and Scotland swingimg to the left whilst England ,well most of it,endorses the right.
Pretty traditional then. Labour are 're asserting themselves in Wales much at the expense of the local independent party. As far as I know Labour are in favour of the union. Maybe SKS could ask the Welsh Labour leader how he does so much better
Anyone can tell SKS that .
The Welsh arent daft .
I'm not a labour voter but I just don't get Starmer.
I get Drakeford and can relate to him "
Starmer will be got very soon
Hes the New face , he is just settling in .
He will help to change the party to won that wins again.
He may not lead them there , but he will lead them to a
Point where they can .
Remember the Tories needed 3 General Elections &
3 different Prime Ministers to get to a good
Political place from there point of view .
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
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"Labour and Scotland swingimg to the left whilst England ,well most of it,endorses the right.
Pretty traditional then. Labour are 're asserting themselves in Wales much at the expense of the local independent party. As far as I know Labour are in favour of the union. Maybe SKS could ask the Welsh Labour leader how he does so much better
Labour are in favour of the Union, but it’s a bit more complicated than that. A growing proportion of Welsh Labour voters say they would vote for independence in a referendum.
The idea that only Plaid voters are independence voters is no longer the case.
Like you say Socksy, most people outside of Wales seem to think the independence movement is soley related to Plaid as this suits their narrative, rather than accepting it is gathering momentum among other parties
I think what may or may not happen in Scotland will swing opinion here, and I can see Welsh Labour becoming more open to the idea should the Scots go their own way
It’s all a dream, honestly. Labour would never be associated with breaking the union, that’s preposterous.
Never going to happen."
Totally agree that Labour would never be associated with it, but not quite what is being talked about here.
It’s about what it’s members and voters would do if presented with a referendum vote. It might seem strange, and counter-intuitive but reasons exist why there people would make that choice.
YesCymru did a survey of Labour members and 50% said they would vote for independence. Now, I’m quite sure that’s a outlier, but even if 10% of Labour voters would go that way, that would be huge. I myself know Labour members who wouldn’t campaign for a referendum and don’t see it as the thing to be focusing on, but admit they’d have thinking to do if it was presented to them.
Labour are going for a federal UK and devo max, so it’s members will at the very least need to be on board with something very close to independence.
My personal feeling is things are going to move in surprising ways in Wales in the future, especially if Scotland gains independence. I can see a scenario where it sparks an existential crisis amongst many in ways, especially the hitherto union-supporting industrial areas on South Wales.
Interesting times.
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