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over a year ago
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"Landslide victory for the conservatives
Q: is it time that the Labour Party to be shelved as socialism is on the decline?
Perhaps a new middle ground party should evolve?"
They could call it New Labour. |
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"Landslide victory for the conservatives
Q: is it time that the Labour Party to be shelved as socialism is on the decline?
Perhaps a new middle ground party should evolve?
They could call it New Labour. "
New New Labour |
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"Landslide victory for the conservatives
Q: is it time that the Labour Party to be shelved as socialism is on the decline?
Perhaps a new middle ground party should evolve?"
Dont you have to try something before it can go into decline? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Meanwhile Labour activists ask for Labour to return to the left.
So people are voting Tory in their droves but I know let’s go further left as a strategy. Hmmmmmmmmm
Glorious. "
If Labour move further and further to the right, they'll end up offering no really alternative to the status quo. Sure they might win power, but that won't offer an improvement for any of us.
Do they want to win, and be the same as the Tories. Or offer a real alternative, and get nowhere near to power? |
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"Meanwhile Labour activists ask for Labour to return to the left.
So people are voting Tory in their droves but I know let’s go further left as a strategy. Hmmmmmmmmm
Glorious.
If Labour move further and further to the right, they'll end up offering no really alternative to the status quo. Sure they might win power, but that won't offer an improvement for any of us.
Do they want to win, and be the same as the Tories. Or offer a real alternative, and get nowhere near to power?"
Well either way they have lost.
Time to consign them to history as serial losers.
And let my new favourites the Greens through  sure they are losing now but watch this space. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Meanwhile Labour activists ask for Labour to return to the left.
So people are voting Tory in their droves but I know let’s go further left as a strategy. Hmmmmmmmmm
Glorious.
If Labour move further and further to the right, they'll end up offering no really alternative to the status quo. Sure they might win power, but that won't offer an improvement for any of us.
Do they want to win, and be the same as the Tories. Or offer a real alternative, and get nowhere near to power?
Well either way they have lost.
Time to consign them to history as serial losers.
And let my new favourites the Greens through sure they are losing now but watch this space. "
I agree, in my opinion, the main parties only care about "winning", none of them seem concerned with doing a good job of running the country. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Landslide victory for the conservatives
Q: is it time that the Labour Party to be shelved as socialism is on the decline?
Perhaps a new middle ground party should evolve?
Dont you have to try something before it can go into decline?"
I dont need to try Bread lines to know i dont want them :P
Used to work with a Romanian, funnily enough he wasnt a fan either.
Seems like the only people who do, have never actually lived under a real socialist goverment |
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"Landslide victory for the conservatives
Q: is it time that the Labour Party to be shelved as socialism is on the decline?
Perhaps a new middle ground party should evolve?
Dont you have to try something before it can go into decline?
I dont need to try Bread lines to know i dont want them :P
Used to work with a Romanian, funnily enough he wasnt a fan either.
Seems like the only people who do, have never actually lived under a real socialist goverment"
I’ve seen the misery firsthand what it brings. It’s not fun. But then I guess that was the “wrong” socialism. I think that’s the stock line. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Meanwhile Labour activists ask for Labour to return to the left.
So people are voting Tory in their droves but I know let’s go further left as a strategy. Hmmmmmmmmm
Glorious.
If Labour move further and further to the right, they'll end up offering no really alternative to the status quo. Sure they might win power, but that won't offer an improvement for any of us.
Do they want to win, and be the same as the Tories. Or offer a real alternative, and get nowhere near to power?
Well either way they have lost.
Time to consign them to history as serial losers.
And let my new favourites the Greens through sure they are losing now but watch this space.
I agree, in my opinion, the main parties only care about "winning", none of them seem concerned with doing a good job of running the country."
Well thats what happens when you can change goverment every 4/5 years. Actually one thing a Dictatorship could have over a Democracy, if Human nature didnt get in the way that is |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Meanwhile Labour activists ask for Labour to return to the left.
So people are voting Tory in their droves but I know let’s go further left as a strategy. Hmmmmmmmmm
Glorious.
If Labour move further and further to the right, they'll end up offering no really alternative to the status quo. Sure they might win power, but that won't offer an improvement for any of us.
Do they want to win, and be the same as the Tories. Or offer a real alternative, and get nowhere near to power?
Well either way they have lost.
Time to consign them to history as serial losers.
And let my new favourites the Greens through sure they are losing now but watch this space.
I agree, in my opinion, the main parties only care about "winning", none of them seem concerned with doing a good job of running the country.
Well thats what happens when you can change goverment every 4/5 years. Actually one thing a Dictatorship could have over a Democracy, if Human nature didnt get in the way that is"
"The Unwilling Dictator" is a good book.
Choice is better, and I support the potential to change government at 4/5 year intervals. But I feel like the whole system is not set up to serve the people, but primarily to serve big business, and the rich. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Meanwhile Labour activists ask for Labour to return to the left.
So people are voting Tory in their droves but I know let’s go further left as a strategy. Hmmmmmmmmm
Glorious.
If Labour move further and further to the right, they'll end up offering no really alternative to the status quo. Sure they might win power, but that won't offer an improvement for any of us.
Do they want to win, and be the same as the Tories. Or offer a real alternative, and get nowhere near to power?
Well either way they have lost.
Time to consign them to history as serial losers.
And let my new favourites the Greens through sure they are losing now but watch this space.
I agree, in my opinion, the main parties only care about "winning", none of them seem concerned with doing a good job of running the country.
Well thats what happens when you can change goverment every 4/5 years. Actually one thing a Dictatorship could have over a Democracy, if Human nature didnt get in the way that is
"The Unwilling Dictator" is a good book.
Choice is better, and I support the potential to change government at 4/5 year intervals. But I feel like the whole system is not set up to serve the people, but primarily to serve big business, and the rich. "
Wow something we agree on lol  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Meanwhile Labour activists ask for Labour to return to the left.
So people are voting Tory in their droves but I know let’s go further left as a strategy. Hmmmmmmmmm
Glorious.
If Labour move further and further to the right, they'll end up offering no really alternative to the status quo. Sure they might win power, but that won't offer an improvement for any of us.
Do they want to win, and be the same as the Tories. Or offer a real alternative, and get nowhere near to power?
Well either way they have lost.
Time to consign them to history as serial losers.
And let my new favourites the Greens through sure they are losing now but watch this space.
I agree, in my opinion, the main parties only care about "winning", none of them seem concerned with doing a good job of running the country.
Well thats what happens when you can change goverment every 4/5 years. Actually one thing a Dictatorship could have over a Democracy, if Human nature didnt get in the way that is
"The Unwilling Dictator" is a good book.
Choice is better, and I support the potential to change government at 4/5 year intervals. But I feel like the whole system is not set up to serve the people, but primarily to serve big business, and the rich.
Wow something we agree on lol "
Maybe there is more... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Cons +146 Labour -141 (currently)
This is a rout. 
Blimey what will all those luvies at the guardian say about it ? "
Probably saying everyone is a bigot |
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"Meanwhile Labour activists ask for Labour to return to the left.
So people are voting Tory in their droves but I know let’s go further left as a strategy. Hmmmmmmmmm
Glorious. "
Funny
Most labour activists I heard were arguing labour need to move to the right. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Cons +146 Labour -141 (currently)
This is a rout.
Blimey what will all those luvies at the guardian say about it ?
Probably saying everyone is a bigot "
I looked to find out. God knows who actually reads the Guardian, woeful newspaper.
I'm not usually one to quote any newspaper at all. But seeing as this is the point of the post, rather than saying I am agreeing with what's said. This is what the guardian is saying at the moment:
"Sir Keir Starmer has pledged to redouble efforts to regain the trust of the British public following Labour’s defeat in Hartlepool - but he and his allies have found it hard to articulate how this could be achieved. (See 8.29am and 4.36pm.) Labour leftwingers have said he should embrace Jeremy Corbyn’s policy agenda, Lord Mandelson has said the party needs to show that it understands “Brexit values” (see 1.07pm) and Lord Adonis has effectively said that Starmer should resign" |
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Funny the people whinging most about socialism seemed quite happy about a natinal health service running a natinal vaccination service to everyone in the country.
About as central planning as you can get. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Meanwhile Labour activists ask for Labour to return to the left.
So people are voting Tory in their droves but I know let’s go further left as a strategy. Hmmmmmmmmm
Glorious. "
Corbyn won Hartlepool twice .
Starmer lost
Perhaps they have a point |
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"Meanwhile Labour activists ask for Labour to return to the left.
So people are voting Tory in their droves but I know let’s go further left as a strategy. Hmmmmmmmmm
Glorious.
Corbyn won Hartlepool twice .
Starmer lost
Perhaps they have a point "
Corbyn got double steamers vote yet somehow it's still his fault. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Funny the people whinging most about socialism seemed quite happy about a natinal health service running a natinal vaccination service to everyone in the country.
About as central planning as you can get."
Having a few Social policies doesnt equal socialism
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"Funny the people whinging most about socialism seemed quite happy about a natinal health service running a natinal vaccination service to everyone in the country.
About as central planning as you can get.
Having a few Social policies doesnt equal socialism
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Right..so that part of socialism is ok? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"Funny the people whinging most about socialism seemed quite happy about a natinal health service running a natinal vaccination service to everyone in the country.
About as central planning as you can get.
Having a few Social policies doesnt equal socialism
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"Funny the people whinging most about socialism seemed quite happy about a natinal health service running a natinal vaccination service to everyone in the country.
About as central planning as you can get."
Let's not forget Sir Henry Urmston Willink, 1st Baronet a Conservative MP was the person who had the idea of creating the NHS. |
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"Meanwhile Labour activists ask for Labour to return to the left.
So people are voting Tory in their droves but I know let’s go further left as a strategy. Hmmmmmmmmm
Glorious.
Corbyn won Hartlepool twice .
Starmer lost strange lot them Hartlepool folk they hung a monkey and then voted one in as mayor
Perhaps they have a point "
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Outstanding
Socialism is evil...nasty..well apart that bit which is ok
Superb
No political party nor one person has the right ideas and ideals all the time.
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Brilliant
It always amused me when people used to come on here ranting about Corbyn and when.asked just what policies do you specifically disagree with,there eas radio silence
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"Funny the people whinging most about socialism seemed quite happy about a natinal health service running a natinal vaccination service to everyone in the country.
About as central planning as you can get.
Let's not forget Sir Henry Urmston Willink, 1st Baronet a Conservative MP was the person who had the idea of creating the NHS."
So the Tories now get the credit for doing something when they were not even in power? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Funny the people whinging most about socialism seemed quite happy about a natinal health service running a natinal vaccination service to everyone in the country.
About as central planning as you can get.
Having a few Social policies doesnt equal socialism
Right..so that part of socialism is ok?"
Some parts are ok sure,
Doesnt mean we have to start implementing Marx and engels's communist utopia do we
When you start taking away the choice of the private individual to be in control of their own economy we start to get into issues.
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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Outstanding
Socialism is evil...nasty..well apart that bit which is ok
Superb
No political party nor one person has the right ideas and ideals all the time.
Brilliant
It always amused me when people used to come on here ranting about Corbyn and when.asked just what policies do you specifically disagree with,there eas radio silence
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You mean no body mentioned nationalisation of industries, giving free internet etc etc spend spend spend, no I'm sure we all supported that. |
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"
Outstanding
Socialism is evil...nasty..well apart that bit which is ok
Superb
No political party nor one person has the right ideas and ideals all the time.
Brilliant
It always amused me when people used to come on here ranting about Corbyn and when.asked just what policies do you specifically disagree with,there eas radio silence
You mean no body mentioned nationalisation of industries, giving free internet etc etc spend spend spend, no I'm sure we all supported that."
Free internet?
Yep that would have been am absolute disaster this last year wouldnt it?
Amd mass privatisation has obvs been an unqualified success. |
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"Funny the people whinging most about socialism seemed quite happy about a natinal health service running a natinal vaccination service to everyone in the country.
About as central planning as you can get.
Having a few Social policies doesnt equal socialism
Right..so that part of socialism is ok?
Some parts are ok sure,
Doesnt mean we have to start implementing Marx and engels's communist utopia do we
When you start taking away the choice of the private individual to be in control of their own economy we start to get into issues.
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Plus the Nazi's had some pretty good policies when it came to the rights of the worker. Hitler was a socialist, just didnt like the Marxism–Leninism kind, in the same way he actually disliked capitalism also
Doesnt mean i want National Socialism |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Outstanding
Socialism is evil...nasty..well apart that bit which is ok
Superb
No political party nor one person has the right ideas and ideals all the time.
Brilliant
It always amused me when people used to come on here ranting about Corbyn and when.asked just what policies do you specifically disagree with,there eas radio silence
You mean no body mentioned nationalisation of industries, giving free internet etc etc spend spend spend, no I'm sure we all supported that."
A man aheadn9f the curve
The tories
Said stay at home & we will give you
Free money .
They calked Corbyn a Lunatic .
They are now calling Bodge a Genius .
Funny how they twist & turn to suit any argument
They are losing . |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
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Outstanding
Socialism is evil...nasty..well apart that bit which is ok
Superb
No political party nor one person has the right ideas and ideals all the time.
Brilliant
It always amused me when people used to come on here ranting about Corbyn and when.asked just what policies do you specifically disagree with,there eas radio silence
You mean no body mentioned nationalisation of industries, giving free internet etc etc spend spend spend, no I'm sure we all supported that.
Free internet?
Yep that would have been am absolute disaster this last year wouldnt it?
Amd mass privatisation has obvs been an unqualified success."
Compared to the mess the industries were when publicly owned yes they have IN GENERAL been good. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Outstanding
Socialism is evil...nasty..well apart that bit which is ok
Superb
No political party nor one person has the right ideas and ideals all the time.
Brilliant
It always amused me when people used to come on here ranting about Corbyn and when.asked just what policies do you specifically disagree with,there eas radio silence
You mean no body mentioned nationalisation of industries, giving free internet etc etc spend spend spend, no I'm sure we all supported that.
A man aheadn9f the curve
The tories
Said stay at home & we will give you
Free money .
They calked Corbyn a Lunatic .
They are now calling Bodge a Genius .
Funny how they twist & turn to suit any argument
They are losing ."
The situation we are in now is nowhere near comparable to what? 2 or 3 years ago? |
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"Funny the people whinging most about socialism seemed quite happy about a natinal health service running a natinal vaccination service to everyone in the country.
About as central planning as you can get.
Having a few Social policies doesnt equal socialism
Right..so that part of socialism is ok?
Some parts are ok sure,
Doesnt mean we have to start implementing Marx and engels's communist utopia do we
When you start taking away the choice of the private individual to be in control of their own economy we start to get into issues.
Plus the Nazi's had some pretty good policies when it came to the rights of the worker. Hitler was a socialist, just didnt like the Marxism–Leninism kind, in the same way he actually disliked capitalism also
Doesnt mean i want National Socialism "
Sorry..I stopped reading at Hitler was a socialist
Out of curiosity..what good policies did the nazis have? |
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"Funny the people whinging most about socialism seemed quite happy about a natinal health service running a natinal vaccination service to everyone in the country.
About as central planning as you can get.
Having a few Social policies doesnt equal socialism
Right..so that part of socialism is ok?
Some parts are ok sure,
Doesnt mean we have to start implementing Marx and engels's communist utopia do we
When you start taking away the choice of the private individual to be in control of their own economy we start to get into issues.
Plus the Nazi's had some pretty good policies when it came to the rights of the worker. Hitler was a socialist, just didnt like the Marxism–Leninism kind, in the same way he actually disliked capitalism also
Doesnt mean i want National Socialism
Sorry..I stopped reading at Hitler was a socialist
Out of curiosity..what good policies did the nazis have?"
Well he was...He says so in mein kampf. He was also never a fan of Italian Facism that much. You can literally just replace class with race and what he said is similar to Marx ect
Cant remember off the top of my head. but there was stuff to do with workers rights within factories, breaks and common rooms that kinda thing |
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Outstanding
Socialism is evil...nasty..well apart that bit which is ok
Superb
No political party nor one person has the right ideas and ideals all the time.
Brilliant
It always amused me when people used to come on here ranting about Corbyn and when.asked just what policies do you specifically disagree with,there eas radio silence
You mean no body mentioned nationalisation of industries, giving free internet etc etc spend spend spend, no I'm sure we all supported that.
Free internet?
Yep that would have been am absolute disaster this last year wouldnt it?
Amd mass privatisation has obvs been an unqualified success.
Compared to the mess the industries were when publicly owned yes they have IN GENERAL been good."
I cant really argue with that.
We have no industries left
Rail prices have gone through the room.
The probation service has been that much of a success, its being re nationaslised.
Ditto some rail services
But on The whole its been a success.
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"Funny the people whinging most about socialism seemed quite happy about a natinal health service running a natinal vaccination service to everyone in the country.
About as central planning as you can get.
Having a few Social policies doesnt equal socialism
Right..so that part of socialism is ok?
Some parts are ok sure,
Doesnt mean we have to start implementing Marx and engels's communist utopia do we
When you start taking away the choice of the private individual to be in control of their own economy we start to get into issues.
Plus the Nazi's had some pretty good policies when it came to the rights of the worker. Hitler was a socialist, just didnt like the Marxism–Leninism kind, in the same way he actually disliked capitalism also
Doesnt mean i want National Socialism
Sorry..I stopped reading at Hitler was a socialist
Out of curiosity..what good policies did the nazis have?
Well he was...He says so in mein kampf. He was also never a fan of Italian Facism that much. You can literally just replace class with race and what he said is similar to Marx ect
Cant remember off the top of my head. but there was stuff to do with workers rights within factories, breaks and common rooms that kinda thing"
You realise he wrote main kampf?
One of the 1st things he did was crush the unuins.
He wasnt a socialist
Quite the opposite |
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over a year ago
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Outstanding
Socialism is evil...nasty..well apart that bit which is ok
Superb
No political party nor one person has the right ideas and ideals all the time.
Brilliant
It always amused me when people used to come on here ranting about Corbyn and when.asked just what policies do you specifically disagree with,there eas radio silence
You mean no body mentioned nationalisation of industries, giving free internet etc etc spend spend spend, no I'm sure we all supported that.
Free internet?
Yep that would have been am absolute disaster this last year wouldnt it?
Amd mass privatisation has obvs been an unqualified success.
Compared to the mess the industries were when publicly owned yes they have IN GENERAL been good."
Is that why Virgin had the rail franchise taken away from them
Is that why all Rail Franchises have now been done away with ? |
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"
Outstanding
Socialism is evil...nasty..well apart that bit which is ok
Superb
No political party nor one person has the right ideas and ideals all the time.
Brilliant
It always amused me when people used to come on here ranting about Corbyn and when.asked just what policies do you specifically disagree with,there eas radio silence
You mean no body mentioned nationalisation of industries, giving free internet etc etc spend spend spend, no I'm sure we all supported that.
Free internet?
Yep that would have been am absolute disaster this last year wouldnt it?
Amd mass privatisation has obvs been an unqualified success.
Compared to the mess the industries were when publicly owned yes they have IN GENERAL been good.
Is that why Virgin had the rail franchise taken away from them
Is that why all Rail Franchises have now been done away with ?"
It always amazes me..The tories are the party of the Patriots yet Thatcher literally sold of everything we own. |
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Outstanding
Socialism is evil...nasty..well apart that bit which is ok
Superb
No political party nor one person has the right ideas and ideals all the time.
Brilliant
It always amused me when people used to come on here ranting about Corbyn and when.asked just what policies do you specifically disagree with,there eas radio silence
You mean no body mentioned nationalisation of industries, giving free internet etc etc spend spend spend, no I'm sure we all supported that.
Free internet?
Yep that would have been am absolute disaster this last year wouldnt it?
Amd mass privatisation has obvs been an unqualified success.
Compared to the mess the industries were when publicly owned yes they have IN GENERAL been good.
Is that why Virgin had the rail franchise taken away from them
Is that why all Rail Franchises have now been done away with ?
It always amazes me..The tories are the party of the Patriots yet Thatcher literally sold of everything we own."
Yup & encouraged the wealthy to prey on the poor |
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"Funny the people whinging most about socialism seemed quite happy about a natinal health service running a natinal vaccination service to everyone in the country.
About as central planning as you can get.
Let's not forget Sir Henry Urmston Willink, 1st Baronet a Conservative MP was the person who had the idea of creating the NHS.
So the Tories now get the credit for doing something when they were not even in power?"
As much as you would like to rewrite history you can't.
It's a fact a Conservative MP had the idea of the NHS and wrote the white paper on it when in Government. |
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"Meanwhile Labour activists ask for Labour to return to the left.
So people are voting Tory in their droves but I know let’s go further left as a strategy. Hmmmmmmmmm
Glorious.
If Labour move further and further to the right, they'll end up offering no really alternative to the status quo. Sure they might win power, but that won't offer an improvement for any of us.
Do they want to win, and be the same as the Tories. Or offer a real alternative, and get nowhere near to power?
Well either way they have lost.
Time to consign them to history as serial losers.
And let my new favourites the Greens through sure they are losing now but watch this space. "
The Greens hmm 5 quid to change gender Am a woman geez my pension My Polly bag collection just doubled in value and my non recycled paper straw just disintegrated |
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"Funny the people whinging most about socialism seemed quite happy about a natinal health service running a natinal vaccination service to everyone in the country.
About as central planning as you can get.
Having a few Social policies doesnt equal socialism
Right..so that part of socialism is ok?
Some parts are ok sure,
Doesnt mean we have to start implementing Marx and engels's communist utopia do we
When you start taking away the choice of the private individual to be in control of their own economy we start to get into issues.
Plus the Nazi's had some pretty good policies when it came to the rights of the worker. Hitler was a socialist, just didnt like the Marxism–Leninism kind, in the same way he actually disliked capitalism also
Doesnt mean i want National Socialism
Sorry..I stopped reading at Hitler was a socialist
Out of curiosity..what good policies did the nazis have?
Well he was...He says so in mein kampf. He was also never a fan of Italian Facism that much. You can literally just replace class with race and what he said is similar to Marx ect
Cant remember off the top of my head. but there was stuff to do with workers rights within factories, breaks and common rooms that kinda thing
You realise he wrote main kampf?
One of the 1st things he did was crush the unuins.
He wasnt a socialist
Quite the opposite "
Hitler wrote Mein Kampf? News to me
I recommend you look up Otto Wagener and the conversations he had with Hitler
"The task is to find and travel the road from individualism to socialism without revolution" Is one quote
Hitler didnt want Germans fighting Germans like what happened in Russia
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"Meanwhile Labour activists ask for Labour to return to the left.
So people are voting Tory in their droves but I know let’s go further left as a strategy. Hmmmmmmmmm
Glorious.
If Labour move further and further to the right, they'll end up offering no really alternative to the status quo. Sure they might win power, but that won't offer an improvement for any of us.
Do they want to win, and be the same as the Tories. Or offer a real alternative, and get nowhere near to power?
Well either way they have lost.
Time to consign them to history as serial losers.
And let my new favourites the Greens through sure they are losing now but watch this space.
The Greens hmm 5 quid to change gender Am a woman geez my pension My Polly bag collection just doubled in value and my non recycled paper straw just disintegrated "
See your getting it. Lots of bonuses.
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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Outstanding
Socialism is evil...nasty..well apart that bit which is ok
Superb
No political party nor one person has the right ideas and ideals all the time.
Brilliant
It always amused me when people used to come on here ranting about Corbyn and when.asked just what policies do you specifically disagree with,there eas radio silence
You mean no body mentioned nationalisation of industries, giving free internet etc etc spend spend spend, no I'm sure we all supported that.
Free internet?
Yep that would have been am absolute disaster this last year wouldnt it?
Amd mass privatisation has obvs been an unqualified success.
Compared to the mess the industries were when publicly owned yes they have IN GENERAL been good.
I cant really argue with that.
We have no industries left
Rail prices have gone through the room.
The probation service has been that much of a success, its being re nationaslised.
Ditto some rail services
But on The whole its been a success.
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Glad you agree that on the whole it has been a success.
Perhaps you should do some research before posting, while it is true that peak day time walk up prices have increased more than inflation, season ticket prices are on average no dearer when inflation is taken into account and off peak advance tickets are cheaper, passenger numbers are at record levels, of course this has led to the major gripe of overcrowding. |
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"Funny the people whinging most about socialism seemed quite happy about a natinal health service running a natinal vaccination service to everyone in the country.
About as central planning as you can get.
Having a few Social policies doesnt equal socialism
Right..so that part of socialism is ok?
Some parts are ok sure,
Doesnt mean we have to start implementing Marx and engels's communist utopia do we
When you start taking away the choice of the private individual to be in control of their own economy we start to get into issues.
Plus the Nazi's had some pretty good policies when it came to the rights of the worker. Hitler was a socialist, just didnt like the Marxism–Leninism kind, in the same way he actually disliked capitalism also
Doesnt mean i want National Socialism
Sorry..I stopped reading at Hitler was a socialist
Out of curiosity..what good policies did the nazis have?"
Volkswagen ?? |
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
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The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots.. |
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over a year ago
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots.."
Yes but it appeals to all those champagne socialists in London.  |
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots.."
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Funnily in my lifetime the present system has crashed multiple times.So many stock market crashes , so many times i have heard the unions are holding us to ransom . All the while jobs are cut, terms and conditions are bulldozed and the working class picks up the tab as the money men head for the hills....So all the crowing from Tories at labours problems only can be put down to arrogance, or the belief that your own children will not end up in the gig economy, zero hour contracts and no pensions ...It will not end well for any of us regardless of who we vote for |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Funnily in my lifetime the present system has crashed multiple times.So many stock market crashes , so many times i have heard the unions are holding us to ransom . All the while jobs are cut, terms and conditions are bulldozed and the working class picks up the tab as the money men head for the hills....So all the crowing from Tories at labours problems only can be put down to arrogance, or the belief that your own children will not end up in the gig economy, zero hour contracts and no pensions ...It will not end well for any of us regardless of who we vote for "
Everyone gets to enrol into a work pension so you're wrong there.
What terms and conditions have been bulldozed ?
Up to the start of the pandemic job numbers were at record levels, perhaps looking at facts instead of listening to lies might help.
Anyone can lose their job or business, it's how you respond is key.
However I most firmly believe that the poorer areas of the country need more help, that too many governments over the last 30 years have relied on the London money economy at the expense of "real" jobs and trades, Boris has said he is going to redress that balance, I'm sure the voters in the north will hold him to it, after they over the last couple of years have done that to labour,we had 13 years of labour in which they took over a booming economy, why didn't THEY bring more to the north, especially as Blair represented a northern constituency? They are too london based also, |
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"Funnily in my lifetime the present system has crashed multiple times.So many stock market crashes , so many times i have heard the unions are holding us to ransom . All the while jobs are cut, terms and conditions are bulldozed and the working class picks up the tab as the money men head for the hills....So all the crowing from Tories at labours problems only can be put down to arrogance, or the belief that your own children will not end up in the gig economy, zero hour contracts and no pensions ...It will not end well for any of us regardless of who we vote for
Everyone gets to enrol into a work pension so you're wrong there.
What terms and conditions have been bulldozed ?
Up to the start of the pandemic job numbers were at record levels, perhaps looking at facts instead of listening to lies might help.
Anyone can lose their job or business, it's how you respond is key.
However I most firmly believe that the poorer areas of the country need more help, that too many governments over the last 30 years have relied on the London money economy at the expense of "real" jobs and trades, Boris has said he is going to redress that balance, I'm sure the voters in the north will hold him to it, after they over the last couple of years have done that to labour,we had 13 years of labour in which they took over a booming economy, why didn't THEY bring more to the north, especially as Blair represented a northern constituency? They are too london based also, "
Labour did not take over a booming economy whatsoever.
Labour provided many Jobs in the north,lots of public sector jobs and set out on rebuilding the NHS and schools which Thatcher had left to rot. |
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots..
It's quite often I vote for people on the basis of what they eat and drink tbf"
you must be odd then lionel! or do you just like to make daft contrary comments?
the woman went on to say, does he really think that sort of stunt wins votes, it shows a contempt for the voters of hartlepool, as if he thinks they all have a whippet and a flat cap... fact is labour did nothing for the area...
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots..
It's quite often I vote for people on the basis of what they eat and drink tbf
you must be odd then lionel! or do you just like to make daft contrary comments?
the woman went on to say, does he really think that sort of stunt wins votes, it shows a contempt for the voters of hartlepool, as if he thinks they all have a whippet and a flat cap... fact is labour did nothing for the area...
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Well as they were not in power thats hardly a surprise.
Did the winning candidate come from hartlepool? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots..
It's quite often I vote for people on the basis of what they eat and drink tbf
you must be odd then lionel! or do you just like to make daft contrary comments?
the woman went on to say, does he really think that sort of stunt wins votes, it shows a contempt for the voters of hartlepool, as if he thinks they all have a whippet and a flat cap... fact is labour did nothing for the area...
Well as they were not in power thats hardly a surprise.
Did the winning candidate come from hartlepool?"
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I'm not going to vote for labour as they havent helped me as we had lots of cuts to public services
Erm labour havent been in power for over a decade and its central gmnt who make the big decisions.
...but alex is down to earth unlike those champagne socialists.
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In fact it would appear in County Durham many many Labour voters have been walking away shaking their heads... and crossing the Conservative, LibDem and Independent ballot paper boxes.
Bishop Auckland went Blue at the GE (Helen Godman who was the previous Labour MP for years and years even failed in her bid this time to become a county councillor ), Darlington - Blue, Hartlepool - Blue, North West Durham - Blue, Sedgefield - Blue . City of Durham - Red but with a much reduced majority ....
At what point do Labour stop blaming others for their own failings - whatever they may be . |
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over a year ago
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"In fact it would appear in County Durham many many Labour voters have been walking away shaking their heads... and crossing the Conservative, LibDem and Independent ballot paper boxes.
Bishop Auckland went Blue at the GE (Helen Godman who was the previous Labour MP for years and years even failed in her bid this time to become a county councillor ), Darlington - Blue, Hartlepool - Blue, North West Durham - Blue, Sedgefield - Blue . City of Durham - Red but with a much reduced majority ....
At what point do Labour stop blaming others for their own failings - whatever they may be . "
My big hope with SKS was that he would not do the traditional Labour thing and blame, brexit, corbyn, the voters, Labour are not in power so can't be our fault we lost a bi election ect ect. We need a strong opposition as that benifits us all |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Funnily in my lifetime the present system has crashed multiple times.So many stock market crashes , so many times i have heard the unions are holding us to ransom . All the while jobs are cut, terms and conditions are bulldozed and the working class picks up the tab as the money men head for the hills....So all the crowing from Tories at labours problems only can be put down to arrogance, or the belief that your own children will not end up in the gig economy, zero hour contracts and no pensions ...It will not end well for any of us regardless of who we vote for
Everyone gets to enrol into a work pension so you're wrong there.
What terms and conditions have been bulldozed ?
Up to the start of the pandemic job numbers were at record levels, perhaps looking at facts instead of listening to lies might help.
Anyone can lose their job or business, it's how you respond is key.
However I most firmly believe that the poorer areas of the country need more help, that too many governments over the last 30 years have relied on the London money economy at the expense of "real" jobs and trades, Boris has said he is going to redress that balance, I'm sure the voters in the north will hold him to it, after they over the last couple of years have done that to labour,we had 13 years of labour in which they took over a booming economy, why didn't THEY bring more to the north, especially as Blair represented a northern constituency? They are too london based also,
Labour did not take over a booming economy whatsoever.
Labour provided many Jobs in the north,lots of public sector jobs and set out on rebuilding the NHS and schools which Thatcher had left to rot."
Try looking at facts not make believe,nhs spending as a percentage of gdp was higher for all but two years during MT time than it was during the previous labour time before, gdp growth was also higher .
Why creating public sector jobs that have to be paid for by taxes is seen as good I have no idea, the north need jobs that create wealth not absorb it |
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots..
It's quite often I vote for people on the basis of what they eat and drink tbf
you must be odd then lionel! or do you just like to make daft contrary comments?
the woman went on to say, does he really think that sort of stunt wins votes, it shows a contempt for the voters of hartlepool, as if he thinks they all have a whippet and a flat cap... fact is labour did nothing for the area...
Well as they were not in power thats hardly a surprise.
Did the winning candidate come from hartlepool?"
are you on drugs? hartlepool has always had a labour council...! well until now.. |
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots..
It's quite often I vote for people on the basis of what they eat and drink tbf
you must be odd then lionel! or do you just like to make daft contrary comments?
the woman went on to say, does he really think that sort of stunt wins votes, it shows a contempt for the voters of hartlepool, as if he thinks they all have a whippet and a flat cap... fact is labour did nothing for the area...
Well as they were not in power thats hardly a surprise.
Did the winning candidate come from hartlepool?
are you on drugs? hartlepool has always had a labour council...! well until now.."
I camt believe I have to spell this out for you..as it seems to be a widely held perception.. labour do not run the country..the gmbt do..I've just seen 2 people from hartlepool blaming labour for the lack of hospitals.. its genuinely surreal. |
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"Funnily in my lifetime the present system has crashed multiple times.So many stock market crashes , so many times i have heard the unions are holding us to ransom . All the while jobs are cut, terms and conditions are bulldozed and the working class picks up the tab as the money men head for the hills....So all the crowing from Tories at labours problems only can be put down to arrogance, or the belief that your own children will not end up in the gig economy, zero hour contracts and no pensions ...It will not end well for any of us regardless of who we vote for
Everyone gets to enrol into a work pension so you're wrong there.
What terms and conditions have been bulldozed ?
Up to the start of the pandemic job numbers were at record levels, perhaps looking at facts instead of listening to lies might help.
Anyone can lose their job or business, it's how you respond is key.
However I most firmly believe that the poorer areas of the country need more help, that too many governments over the last 30 years have relied on the London money economy at the expense of "real" jobs and trades, Boris has said he is going to redress that balance, I'm sure the voters in the north will hold him to it, after they over the last couple of years have done that to labour,we had 13 years of labour in which they took over a booming economy, why didn't THEY bring more to the north, especially as Blair represented a northern constituency? They are too london based also,
Labour did not take over a booming economy whatsoever.
Labour provided many Jobs in the north,lots of public sector jobs and set out on rebuilding the NHS and schools which Thatcher had left to rot.
Try looking at facts not make believe,nhs spending as a percentage of gdp was higher for all but two years during MT time than it was during the previous labour time before, gdp growth was also higher .
Why creating public sector jobs that have to be paid for by taxes is seen as good I have no idea, the north need jobs that create wealth not absorb it "
Why create public sector jobs
I feel I'll leave that little gem there as it Is truly a pearl of wisdom.
Good luck next time you visit a hospital by the way..or need a passport..or need your pension..or need help finding a job...or your bins emptied
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots..
It's quite often I vote for people on the basis of what they eat and drink tbf
you must be odd then lionel! or do you just like to make daft contrary comments?
the woman went on to say, does he really think that sort of stunt wins votes, it shows a contempt for the voters of hartlepool, as if he thinks they all have a whippet and a flat cap... fact is labour did nothing for the area...
Well as they were not in power thats hardly a surprise.
Did the winning candidate come from hartlepool?
are you on drugs? hartlepool has always had a labour council...! well until now..
I camt believe I have to spell this out for you..as it seems to be a widely held perception.. labour do not run the country..the gmbt do..I've just seen 2 people from hartlepool blaming labour for the lack of hospitals.. its genuinely surreal."
we are talking about the elections, the council elections! obviously you think everyone in hartlepool is stupid for voting conservative lol when they should have just carried on voting labour for the rest of their lives like good boys and girls, proper working class people? like grandad did? lol |
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots..
It's quite often I vote for people on the basis of what they eat and drink tbf
you must be odd then lionel! or do you just like to make daft contrary comments?
the woman went on to say, does he really think that sort of stunt wins votes, it shows a contempt for the voters of hartlepool, as if he thinks they all have a whippet and a flat cap... fact is labour did nothing for the area...
Well as they were not in power thats hardly a surprise.
Did the winning candidate come from hartlepool?
are you on drugs? hartlepool has always had a labour council...! well until now..
I camt believe I have to spell this out for you..as it seems to be a widely held perception.. labour do not run the country..the gmbt do..I've just seen 2 people from hartlepool blaming labour for the lack of hospitals.. its genuinely surreal.
we are talking about the elections, the council elections! obviously you think everyone in hartlepool is stupid for voting conservative lol when they should have just carried on voting labour for the rest of their lives like good boys and girls, proper working class people? like grandad did? lol "
Oh dear
People have been interviewed in hartlepool saying they voted tory beciade of the cuts made to the likes of the nhs.
I'll type this out slowly.
The labour party did not make these cuts. |
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots..
It's quite often I vote for people on the basis of what they eat and drink tbf
you must be odd then lionel! or do you just like to make daft contrary comments?
the woman went on to say, does he really think that sort of stunt wins votes, it shows a contempt for the voters of hartlepool, as if he thinks they all have a whippet and a flat cap... fact is labour did nothing for the area...
Well as they were not in power thats hardly a surprise.
Did the winning candidate come from hartlepool?
are you on drugs? hartlepool has always had a labour council...! well until now..
I camt believe I have to spell this out for you..as it seems to be a widely held perception.. labour do not run the country..the gmbt do..I've just seen 2 people from hartlepool blaming labour for the lack of hospitals.. its genuinely surreal.
we are talking about the elections, the council elections! obviously you think everyone in hartlepool is stupid for voting conservative lol when they should have just carried on voting labour for the rest of their lives like good boys and girls, proper working class people? like grandad did? lol
Oh dear
People have been interviewed in hartlepool saying they voted tory beciade of the cuts made to the likes of the nhs.
I'll type this out slowly.
The labour party did not make these cuts."
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots..
It's quite often I vote for people on the basis of what they eat and drink tbf
you must be odd then lionel! or do you just like to make daft contrary comments?
the woman went on to say, does he really think that sort of stunt wins votes, it shows a contempt for the voters of hartlepool, as if he thinks they all have a whippet and a flat cap... fact is labour did nothing for the area...
Well as they were not in power thats hardly a surprise.
Did the winning candidate come from hartlepool?
are you on drugs? hartlepool has always had a labour council...! well until now..
I camt believe I have to spell this out for you..as it seems to be a widely held perception.. labour do not run the country..the gmbt do..I've just seen 2 people from hartlepool blaming labour for the lack of hospitals.. its genuinely surreal.
we are talking about the elections, the council elections! obviously you think everyone in hartlepool is stupid for voting conservative lol when they should have just carried on voting labour for the rest of their lives like good boys and girls, proper working class people? like grandad did? lol
Oh dear
People have been interviewed in hartlepool saying they voted tory beciade of the cuts made to the likes of the nhs.
I'll type this out slowly.
The labour party did not make these cuts."
ill say it slowly to, the thread is about local elections. BUT hartlepool have given labour (local and national) a very long run.....
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By *9alMan
over a year ago
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why did the voters in Hartlepool vote tory? I think they thought they might get more money out of Westminster with a government MP. Kier & many prominent labour politicians did not respect the leave vote in the referendum, he needs to apologise to Brexit voters & put forward a clear philosophy & policy for the future. |
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots..
It's quite often I vote for people on the basis of what they eat and drink tbf
you must be odd then lionel! or do you just like to make daft contrary comments?
the woman went on to say, does he really think that sort of stunt wins votes, it shows a contempt for the voters of hartlepool, as if he thinks they all have a whippet and a flat cap... fact is labour did nothing for the area...
Well as they were not in power thats hardly a surprise.
Did the winning candidate come from hartlepool?
are you on drugs? hartlepool has always had a labour council...! well until now..
I camt believe I have to spell this out for you..as it seems to be a widely held perception.. labour do not run the country..the gmbt do..I've just seen 2 people from hartlepool blaming labour for the lack of hospitals.. its genuinely surreal.
we are talking about the elections, the council elections! obviously you think everyone in hartlepool is stupid for voting conservative lol when they should have just carried on voting labour for the rest of their lives like good boys and girls, proper working class people? like grandad did? lol
Oh dear
People have been interviewed in hartlepool saying they voted tory beciade of the cuts made to the likes of the nhs.
I'll type this out slowly.
The labour party did not make these cuts.
ill say it slowly to, the thread is about local elections. BUT hartlepool have given labour (local and national) a very long run.....
But you think one person making a silly comment is what threw the vote?!!!!! "
Last go.
People have voted on national issues in local elections
Hence the actual example I have provided above (hospitals)
You yourself have provided an example of people not liking starmer.
Last time I checked starmer wasnt the local candidate.
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots..
It's quite often I vote for people on the basis of what they eat and drink tbf
you must be odd then lionel! or do you just like to make daft contrary comments?
the woman went on to say, does he really think that sort of stunt wins votes, it shows a contempt for the voters of hartlepool, as if he thinks they all have a whippet and a flat cap... fact is labour did nothing for the area...
Well as they were not in power thats hardly a surprise.
Did the winning candidate come from hartlepool?
are you on drugs? hartlepool has always had a labour council...! well until now..
I camt believe I have to spell this out for you..as it seems to be a widely held perception.. labour do not run the country..the gmbt do..I've just seen 2 people from hartlepool blaming labour for the lack of hospitals.. its genuinely surreal.
we are talking about the elections, the council elections! obviously you think everyone in hartlepool is stupid for voting conservative lol when they should have just carried on voting labour for the rest of their lives like good boys and girls, proper working class people? like grandad did? lol
Oh dear
People have been interviewed in hartlepool saying they voted tory beciade of the cuts made to the likes of the nhs.
I'll type this out slowly.
The labour party did not make these cuts.
How do these people get so confused?"
There is an obvious answer. |
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"why did the voters in Hartlepool vote tory? I think they thought they might get more money out of Westminster with a government MP. Kier & many prominent labour politicians did not respect the leave vote in the referendum, he needs to apologise to Brexit voters & put forward a clear philosophy & policy for the future. "
From what I have read becaide there have been too many cuts because labour didnt build did banks and because alex is a down to earth fella |
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots..
It's quite often I vote for people on the basis of what they eat and drink tbf
you must be odd then lionel! or do you just like to make daft contrary comments?
the woman went on to say, does he really think that sort of stunt wins votes, it shows a contempt for the voters of hartlepool, as if he thinks they all have a whippet and a flat cap... fact is labour did nothing for the area...
Well as they were not in power thats hardly a surprise.
Did the winning candidate come from hartlepool?
are you on drugs? hartlepool has always had a labour council...! well until now..
I camt believe I have to spell this out for you..as it seems to be a widely held perception.. labour do not run the country..the gmbt do..I've just seen 2 people from hartlepool blaming labour for the lack of hospitals.. its genuinely surreal.
we are talking about the elections, the council elections! obviously you think everyone in hartlepool is stupid for voting conservative lol when they should have just carried on voting labour for the rest of their lives like good boys and girls, proper working class people? like grandad did? lol
Oh dear
People have been interviewed in hartlepool saying they voted tory beciade of the cuts made to the likes of the nhs.
I'll type this out slowly.
The labour party did not make these cuts.
ill say it slowly to, the thread is about local elections. BUT hartlepool have given labour (local and national) a very long run.....
But you think one person making a silly comment is what threw the vote?!!!!!
Last go.
People have voted on national issues in local elections
Hence the actual example I have provided above (hospitals)
You yourself have provided an example of people not liking starmer.
Last time I checked starmer wasnt the local candidate.
"
so you think the people of hartlepool are too stupid to know all this? population of hartlepool is just under 100,000 but they need you to point out how stupid they are?
OR just maybe, perhaps, they arent stupid and you are? its just an idea, a possible, that after years of labour they were fucked off and voted tory end of... which is what they did. |
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots..
It's quite often I vote for people on the basis of what they eat and drink tbf
you must be odd then lionel! or do you just like to make daft contrary comments?
the woman went on to say, does he really think that sort of stunt wins votes, it shows a contempt for the voters of hartlepool, as if he thinks they all have a whippet and a flat cap... fact is labour did nothing for the area...
Well as they were not in power thats hardly a surprise.
Did the winning candidate come from hartlepool?
are you on drugs? hartlepool has always had a labour council...! well until now..
I camt believe I have to spell this out for you..as it seems to be a widely held perception.. labour do not run the country..the gmbt do..I've just seen 2 people from hartlepool blaming labour for the lack of hospitals.. its genuinely surreal.
we are talking about the elections, the council elections! obviously you think everyone in hartlepool is stupid for voting conservative lol when they should have just carried on voting labour for the rest of their lives like good boys and girls, proper working class people? like grandad did? lol
Oh dear
People have been interviewed in hartlepool saying they voted tory beciade of the cuts made to the likes of the nhs.
I'll type this out slowly.
The labour party did not make these cuts.
ill say it slowly to, the thread is about local elections. BUT hartlepool have given labour (local and national) a very long run.....
But you think one person making a silly comment is what threw the vote?!!!!!
Last go.
People have voted on national issues in local elections
Hence the actual example I have provided above (hospitals)
You yourself have provided an example of people not liking starmer.
Last time I checked starmer wasnt the local candidate.
so you think the people of hartlepool are too stupid to know all this? population of hartlepool is just under 100,000 but they need you to point out how stupid they are?
OR just maybe, perhaps, they arent stupid and you are? its just an idea, a possible, that after years of labour they were fucked off and voted tory end of... which is what they did."
You said the people of hartlepool voted for local issues.
You then said the people of hartlepool didnt like starmer.
When I pointed out this contradiction, you have flatly ignored it.
My work here is done. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Yet actually . . .
"Up here, Mr Johnson was massively bolstered by local Tory Tees Valley Mayor Ben Houchen's huge personal following.
"He's the only one who's ever done anything for us," is how a cab driver in Darlington put it to me.
A freeport, a revived local airport, people in the North East region see a new band of Tory MPs and a Conservative mayor bringing investment into the region, and that has built momentum going into the Hartlepool by-election.
The calculation for plenty of voters here is that nothing really improved for decades voting Labour, so why not give the Conservatives a chance." |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"
In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots..
It's quite often I vote for people on the basis of what they eat and drink tbf
you must be odd then lionel! or do you just like to make daft contrary comments?
the woman went on to say, does he really think that sort of stunt wins votes, it shows a contempt for the voters of hartlepool, as if he thinks they all have a whippet and a flat cap... fact is labour did nothing for the area...
Well as they were not in power thats hardly a surprise.
Did the winning candidate come from hartlepool?
are you on drugs? hartlepool has always had a labour council...! well until now..
I camt believe I have to spell this out for you..as it seems to be a widely held perception.. labour do not run the country..the gmbt do..I've just seen 2 people from hartlepool blaming labour for the lack of hospitals.. its genuinely surreal.
we are talking about the elections, the council elections! obviously you think everyone in hartlepool is stupid for voting conservative lol when they should have just carried on voting labour for the rest of their lives like good boys and girls, proper working class people? like grandad did? lol
Oh dear
People have been interviewed in hartlepool saying they voted tory beciade of the cuts made to the likes of the nhs.
I'll type this out slowly.
The labour party did not make these cuts.
How do these people get so confused?
There is an obvious answer."
Which is ? |
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots..
It's quite often I vote for people on the basis of what they eat and drink tbf
you must be odd then lionel! or do you just like to make daft contrary comments?
the woman went on to say, does he really think that sort of stunt wins votes, it shows a contempt for the voters of hartlepool, as if he thinks they all have a whippet and a flat cap... fact is labour did nothing for the area...
Well as they were not in power thats hardly a surprise.
Did the winning candidate come from hartlepool?
are you on drugs? hartlepool has always had a labour council...! well until now..
I camt believe I have to spell this out for you..as it seems to be a widely held perception.. labour do not run the country..the gmbt do..I've just seen 2 people from hartlepool blaming labour for the lack of hospitals.. its genuinely surreal.
we are talking about the elections, the council elections! obviously you think everyone in hartlepool is stupid for voting conservative lol when they should have just carried on voting labour for the rest of their lives like good boys and girls, proper working class people? like grandad did? lol
Oh dear
People have been interviewed in hartlepool saying they voted tory beciade of the cuts made to the likes of the nhs.
I'll type this out slowly.
The labour party did not make these cuts.
ill say it slowly to, the thread is about local elections. BUT hartlepool have given labour (local and national) a very long run.....
But you think one person making a silly comment is what threw the vote?!!!!!
Last go.
People have voted on national issues in local elections
Hence the actual example I have provided above (hospitals)
You yourself have provided an example of people not liking starmer.
Last time I checked starmer wasnt the local candidate.
so you think the people of hartlepool are too stupid to know all this? population of hartlepool is just under 100,000 but they need you to point out how stupid they are?
OR just maybe, perhaps, they arent stupid and you are? its just an idea, a possible, that after years of labour they were fucked off and voted tory end of... which is what they did.
You said the people of hartlepool voted for local issues.
You then said the people of hartlepool didnt like starmer.
When I pointed out this contradiction, you have flatly ignored it.
My work here is done."
Run rabbit run..... back to dream land where people only vote labour lol |
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"Yet actually . . .
"Up here, Mr Johnson was massively bolstered by local Tory Tees Valley Mayor Ben Houchen's huge personal following.
"He's the only one who's ever done anything for us," is how a cab driver in Darlington put it to me.
A freeport, a revived local airport, people in the North East region see a new band of Tory MPs and a Conservative mayor bringing investment into the region, and that has built momentum going into the Hartlepool by-election.
The calculation for plenty of voters here is that nothing really improved for decades voting Labour, so why not give the Conservatives a chance.""
He seems to have faith in the words of alex..I'm sure that faith is well placed. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"
In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
The woman in Hartlepool who said about kier Starmer turning up eating fish and chips and drinking a beer to prove he was one of them sums it up lol and demonstrates your point..... a barrister... labour have lost their roots..
It's quite often I vote for people on the basis of what they eat and drink tbf
you must be odd then lionel! or do you just like to make daft contrary comments?
the woman went on to say, does he really think that sort of stunt wins votes, it shows a contempt for the voters of hartlepool, as if he thinks they all have a whippet and a flat cap... fact is labour did nothing for the area...
Well as they were not in power thats hardly a surprise.
Did the winning candidate come from hartlepool?
are you on drugs? hartlepool has always had a labour council...! well until now..
I camt believe I have to spell this out for you..as it seems to be a widely held perception.. labour do not run the country..the gmbt do..I've just seen 2 people from hartlepool blaming labour for the lack of hospitals.. its genuinely surreal.
we are talking about the elections, the council elections! obviously you think everyone in hartlepool is stupid for voting conservative lol when they should have just carried on voting labour for the rest of their lives like good boys and girls, proper working class people? like grandad did? lol
Oh dear
People have been interviewed in hartlepool saying they voted tory beciade of the cuts made to the likes of the nhs.
I'll type this out slowly.
The labour party did not make these cuts.
ill say it slowly to, the thread is about local elections. BUT hartlepool have given labour (local and national) a very long run.....
But you think one person making a silly comment is what threw the vote?!!!!!
Last go.
People have voted on national issues in local elections
Hence the actual example I have provided above (hospitals)
You yourself have provided an example of people not liking starmer.
Last time I checked starmer wasnt the local candidate.
so you think the people of hartlepool are too stupid to know all this? population of hartlepool is just under 100,000 but they need you to point out how stupid they are?
OR just maybe, perhaps, they arent stupid and you are? its just an idea, a possible, that after years of labour they were fucked off and voted tory end of... which is what they did.
You said the people of hartlepool voted for local issues.
You then said the people of hartlepool didnt like starmer.
When I pointed out this contradiction, you have flatly ignored it.
My work here is done.
Run rabbit run..... back to dream land where people only vote labour lol "
lol. In the land where if you say it's so then it must be so, the results and the people tell the real story however.
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Outstanding
Socialism is evil...nasty..well apart that bit which is ok
Superb
No political party nor one person has the right ideas and ideals all the time.
Brilliant
It always amused me when people used to come on here ranting about Corbyn and when.asked just what policies do you specifically disagree with,there eas radio silence
You mean no body mentioned nationalisation of industries, giving free internet etc etc spend spend spend, no I'm sure we all supported that.
A man aheadn9f the curve
The tories
Said stay at home & we will give you
Free money .
They calked Corbyn a Lunatic .
They are now calling Bodge a Genius .
Funny how they twist & turn to suit any argument
They are losing ."
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
"
And resulted in persecution and many millions of deaths |
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Outstanding
Socialism is evil...nasty..well apart that bit which is ok
Superb
No political party nor one person has the right ideas and ideals all the time.
Brilliant
It always amused me when people used to come on here ranting about Corbyn and when.asked just what policies do you specifically disagree with,there eas radio silence
You mean no body mentioned nationalisation of industries, giving free internet etc etc spend spend spend, no I'm sure we all supported that.
A man aheadn9f the curve
The tories
Said stay at home & we will give you
Free money .
They calked Corbyn a Lunatic .
They are now calling Bodge a Genius .
Funny how they twist & turn to suit any argument
They are losing ."
When corbyn suggested everyone got free wi fi he was branded a communist.
When the gmnt decided to issue free lap tops too kids during the pandemic, they were applauded.
That's the type of pervasive 'logic 'we have in this well informed country of ours |
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
And resulted in persecution and many millions of deaths "
As opposed to capitalism which has spread peace And love around the world? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Outside of a militants classroom and Budenovka wearing Stalinists: Socialism in the West is a failed thought exercise and a romantic notion of marching forward while happily tilling the land for the great emancipation of the people. Forgetting all the time that there never has been a socialism anywhere in the world that hasn't resulted in failure and persecution of the very people it says it serves. There has never actually been a Socialism in the West.
Mature politics never embraced it, even in the Labour Party. So no matter how many copies of Socialist worker that you buy and read you have to at some point realize that it's just a Comic full of fanciful stories from a long gone past. It's time to grow-up and put such notions behind you. |
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I suppose there is a certain irony in saying how much of a failure socialism has been,when the only thing the buffoon has got right,is to use a system created by a socialist gmnt.
Whereas the capitalist side, ppe contracts,reaching and trace..have been such a success
Hey ho. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"
Outstanding
Socialism is evil...nasty..well apart that bit which is ok
Superb
No political party nor one person has the right ideas and ideals all the time.
Brilliant
It always amused me when people used to come on here ranting about Corbyn and when.asked just what policies do you specifically disagree with,there eas radio silence
You mean no body mentioned nationalisation of industries, giving free internet etc etc spend spend spend, no I'm sure we all supported that.
A man aheadn9f the curve
The tories
Said stay at home & we will give you
Free money .
They calked Corbyn a Lunatic .
They are now calling Bodge a Genius .
Funny how they twist & turn to suit any argument
They are losing .
When corbyn suggested everyone got free wi fi he was branded a communist.
When the gmnt decided to issue free lap tops too kids during the pandemic, they were applauded.
That's the type of pervasive 'logic 'we have in this well informed country of ours "
You cant see the difference from giving poor kids laptops to carry on with their schooling to giving people who are on a decent wage and can afford it free wifi ? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"I suppose there is a certain irony in saying how much of a failure socialism has been,when the only thing the buffoon has got right,is to use a system created by a socialist gmnt.
Whereas the capitalist side, ppe contracts,reaching and trace..have been such a success
Hey ho."
You are mixing up calling the NHS Socialist and it actually being a Social Service.
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By (user no longer on site)
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
And resulted in persecution and many millions of deaths
As opposed to capitalism which has spread peace And love around the world?"
No one said its perfect, but its better.
But i dont see anyone in capitalist countries being executed for wearing glasses do you?
I dont see anyone in capitilist countries getting the whole population to kill sparrows ending in famine and the starvation of millions
I dont see anyone in capitilist countries being pulled out there farms and beaten to death for the crime of just ownership and employing people
3 different examples from 3 different socialist regimes.
Thats just scr aping the surface
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
And resulted in persecution and many millions of deaths
As opposed to capitalism which has spread peace And love around the world?
No one said its perfect, but its better.
But i dont see anyone in capitalist countries being executed for wearing glasses do you?
I dont see anyone in capitilist countries getting the whole population to kill sparrows ending in famine and the starvation of millions
I dont see anyone in capitilist countries being pulled out there farms and beaten to death for the crime of just ownership and employing people
3 different examples from 3 different socialist regimes.
Thats just scr aping the surface
I guess they just where not the right type of socialism "
Do I really need to lost some of the atrocities carried out under the name of capitalism? |
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
And resulted in persecution and many millions of deaths
As opposed to capitalism which has spread peace And love around the world?
No one said its perfect, but its better.
But i dont see anyone in capitalist countries being executed for wearing glasses do you?
I dont see anyone in capitilist countries getting the whole population to kill sparrows ending in famine and the starvation of millions
I dont see anyone in capitilist countries being pulled out there farms and beaten to death for the crime of just ownership and employing people
3 different examples from 3 different socialist regimes.
Thats just scr aping the surface
I guess they just where not the right type of socialism
Do I really need to lost some of the atrocities carried out under the name of capitalism?"
As i said better, not perfect. Nothing is perfect that would be Utopia which arguably can never exist until post scarcity. Even then arguements could be made any Utopia in reality is a Dystopia
What atrocities can you name in the last 100 ish years that have been done expressly because of capitalist ideology and especially committed on a states own populace?
And tbh I wouldnt count proxy wars between the West and Russia or China during the Cold War as they could be seen as wars against socialist aggression and expansion
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In most experiences Socialism tends to favour those with the reigns - the intellectuals, eventually converting themselves to such a narrow version of socialist doctrine that it simply becomes dictatorial, and before you know it, it's rife with penalties for overstepping your designated rank seeking or desires that the collective don't want you to have or control. Then come the watchers, the army of controllers, the re-education centres . . .
If you fancy a good read on the many historical yet failed tries at socialism try:
"Kristian Niemietz. 'Socialism. The Failed Idea That Never Dies'.
In it, he asserts that of the more than two dozen attempts at Socialism each has failed. . . . "
And resulted in persecution and many millions of deaths
As opposed to capitalism which has spread peace And love around the world?
No one said its perfect, but its better.
But i dont see anyone in capitalist countries being executed for wearing glasses do you?
I dont see anyone in capitilist countries getting the whole population to kill sparrows ending in famine and the starvation of millions
I dont see anyone in capitilist countries being pulled out there farms and beaten to death for the crime of just ownership and employing people
3 different examples from 3 different socialist regimes.
Thats just scr aping the surface
I guess they just where not the right type of socialism
Do I really need to lost some of the atrocities carried out under the name of capitalism?
As i said better, not perfect. Nothing is perfect that would be Utopia which arguably can never exist until post scarcity. Even then arguements could be made any Utopia in reality is a Dystopia
What atrocities can you name in the last 100 ish years that have been done expressly because of capitalist ideology and especially committed on a states own populace?
And tbh I wouldnt count proxy wars between the West and Russia or China during the Cold War as they could be seen as wars against socialist aggression and expansion
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World war 1 and world war 2 were absolutely nothing to do with communism
Hitler murdered 6 million people and he was no communist.
Iraq and Afghanistan
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World war 1 and world war 2 were absolutely nothing to do with communism
Hitler murdered 6 million people and he was no communist.
Iraq and Afghanistan
So are you saying Vietnam for example was justified because it was a war against communism?"
WW1 started because of Imperialism not Capitalism, they are not the same. Capitalism is based on voluntary exchange that benefits all parties involved, imperialism is based on exploitation and the exercise of political power, generally backed by a military force.
So you are just going to ignore what i have said about Hitler and his want for National Socialism not international socialism like Marxism then i guess. The war started because of Hitlers want of living space (Lebensraum) for the German people. Most likely for increased food production that it would allow. Nothing to do with the free trade between people. Oh and it was more than 6 million, fucks me off that people spout that number because it completely ignores the rest. Actual number is more like 14 million
Iraq and Afghanistan was to try and install Democractic goverment and remove legimate terrorist threats from a country.Russia did the same, but wanted to install a socialist goverment, not a free and democratic one. Oh and they crushed people under Tanks as a punishment for working with the Mujahideen. Ofcourse there is an arguement that behind the scenes people wanted the war for Oil or to sate the military industrial complex
Vietnam yes i think the war itself was quite justified to stop the march of the NVA even though ultimately it was a failure. Their war for independance i agree with, just not the people that hijacked it for their own idelogical gain. Agreeing with the reasoning of war doesnt mean i agree with tactics that are used however. Same with Korea |
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World war 1 and world war 2 were absolutely nothing to do with communism
Hitler murdered 6 million people and he was no communist.
Iraq and Afghanistan
So are you saying Vietnam for example was justified because it was a war against communism?
WW1 started because of Imperialism not Capitalism, they are not the same. Capitalism is based on voluntary exchange that benefits all parties involved, imperialism is based on exploitation and the exercise of political power, generally backed by a military force.
So you are just going to ignore what i have said about Hitler and his want for National Socialism not international socialism like Marxism then i guess. The war started because of Hitlers want of living space (Lebensraum) for the German people. Most likely for increased food production that it would allow. Nothing to do with the free trade between people. Oh and it was more than 6 million, fucks me off that people spout that number because it completely ignores the rest. Actual number is more like 14 million
Iraq and Afghanistan was to try and install Democractic goverment and remove legimate terrorist threats from a country.Russia did the same, but wanted to install a socialist goverment, not a free and democratic one. Oh and they crushed people under Tanks as a punishment for working with the Mujahideen. Ofcourse there is an arguement that behind the scenes people wanted the war for Oil or to sate the military industrial complex
Vietnam yes i think the war itself was quite justified to stop the march of the NVA even though ultimately it was a failure. Their war for independance i agree with, just not the people that hijacked it for their own idelogical gain. Agreeing with the reasoning of war doesnt mean i agree with tactics that are used however. Same with Korea"
Imperialism is another facet of capitalism.
Both wars were absolutely nothing to do with socialism /communism.
If you think Iraq in particular was nothing to do with oil, there isnt much I can say to that.
Hitler was as far from a socialist as it's likely to be.
He thought an ideological war against communism as he considered them (untermenshen(sp?)
He wanted to crush bolshevism.
So in terms of Vietnam, it's perfectly acceptable to invade a country,because you dont like the politics of some of the people? |
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Ignore my point about oil.
The fact remains countless people died in iraq and afghan because of a war started by a capitalist power.
Again nothing whatsoever to do with capitalism
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Socialism Kills its own people for ideology. Along with invading other countries and killing them.
Capitalism goes to war against socialism and the ideology it peddles. Then makes money out the rebuild and steals the oil.
Funny old world.
However I’ve lived under socialism and it’s not fun. Give me capitalism any day.
Europe is turning right and turning it’s back on it. Socialism is a dead concept at the moment and a dirty word in the media. It’s what made Corbyn toxic he was slathered in it.
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"Socialism Kills its own people for ideology. Along with invading other countries and killing them.
Capitalism goes to war against socialism and the ideology it peddles. Then makes money out the rebuild and steals the oil.
Funny old world.
However I’ve lived under socialism and it’s not fun. Give me capitalism any day.
Europe is turning right and turning it’s back on it. Socialism is a dead concept at the moment and a dirty word in the media. It’s what made Corbyn toxic he was slathered in it.
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Vaccine roll out administered by a free health service
Stunning success.
Schemes based on the capitalist ideas of making money (ppe and track and trace)millions wasted .
Corbyn is the devil and Alex Is a hero.
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Hitler was as far from a socialist as it's likely to be.
He thought an ideological war against communism as he considered them (untermenshen(sp?)
He wanted to crush bolshevism.
So in terms of Vietnam, it's perfectly acceptable to invade a country,because you dont like the politics of some of the people?"
You know socialist regimes dont agree and fight each other right? Spain for example during 1936 to 1939. You know Bolshevism isnt the only socialist doctrine? He disliked both Capitalism and Bolshevism as he thought both where Jewish plots. Just because he used some aspects of capiltism to his advantage doesnt mean that was the end goal, remember Hitler had twelve years in the end to try and install what he wanted. The USSR had nearly a hundred and still failed.
Again i recommend you do a bit of research into his private conversations with mostly Otto Wagener. Interesting stuff and shows you it wasnt as straight forward as Hitler = Capitalist = Facist. Life is alot more grey than that
When that "some" try to impose their will with force over the majority then yeah i do i guess |
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Hitler was as far from a socialist as it's likely to be.
He thought an ideological war against communism as he considered them (untermenshen(sp?)
He wanted to crush bolshevism.
So in terms of Vietnam, it's perfectly acceptable to invade a country,because you dont like the politics of some of the people?
You know socialist regimes dont agree and fight each other right? Spain for example during 1936 to 1939. You know Bolshevism isnt the only socialist doctrine? He disliked both Capitalism and Bolshevism as he thought both where Jewish plots. Just because he used some aspects of capiltism to his advantage doesnt mean that was the end goal, remember Hitler had twelve years in the end to try and install what he wanted. The USSR had nearly a hundred and still failed.
Again i recommend you do a bit of research into his private conversations with mostly Otto Wagener. Interesting stuff and shows you it wasnt as straight forward as Hitler = Capitalist = Facist. Life is alot more grey than that
When that "some" try to impose their will with force over the majority then yeah i do i guess"
But he was not a communists/socialist in any sense of the word.
Like I said the other day,one of the 1st things he did was crush the unions. |
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It's quite weird how socialism is such a discredited concept, yet some of the most progressive and happiest places on the planet, denmark,Norway etc happily embrace many socialist policies.
Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird. |
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But he was not a communists/socialist in any sense of the word.
Like I said the other day,one of the 1st things he did was crush the unions."
You are talking "Gleichschaltung" which was the co-ordination of all aspects of life in Germany to fit in with Hitler's ideas and his authority. Again because he thought they were socialists of the wrong type.
Just like how factions in Spain ended up fighting each other. POUM(Anti-Stalionist)vs the PCE and PSUC who were pro Stalin |
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But he was not a communists/socialist in any sense of the word.
Like I said the other day,one of the 1st things he did was crush the unions.
You are talking "Gleichschaltung" which was the co-ordination of all aspects of life in Germany to fit in with Hitler's ideas and his authority. Again because he thought they were socialists of the wrong type.
Just like how factions in Spain ended up fighting each other. POUM(Anti-Stalionist)vs the PCE and PSUC who were pro Stalin"
But the bottom line Is the misery he inflicted on the world was absolutely nothing to do with socialism
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"It's quite weird how socialism is such a discredited concept, yet some of the most progressive and happiest places on the planet, denmark,Norway etc happily embrace many socialist policies.
Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird."
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Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird.
How many times do you have to be told that having some socialist policies is not the same as socialism."
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But he was not a communists/socialist in any sense of the word.
Like I said the other day,one of the 1st things he did was crush the unions.
You are talking "Gleichschaltung" which was the co-ordination of all aspects of life in Germany to fit in with Hitler's ideas and his authority. Again because he thought they were socialists of the wrong type.
Just like how factions in Spain ended up fighting each other. POUM(Anti-Stalionist)vs the PCE and PSUC who were pro Stalin
But the bottom line Is the misery he inflicted on the world was absolutely nothing to do with socialism
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My god
Im done
I have explained it like four times and you obivously are not even really properly reading what i type. |
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"It's quite weird how socialism is such a discredited concept, yet some of the most progressive and happiest places on the planet, denmark,Norway etc happily embrace many socialist policies.
Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird.
How many times do you have to be told that having some socialist policies is not the same as socialism.
So socialism is a dead concept but socialist policies are fine?"
There you have it. Some policies, regardless of where they originate are interchangeable.
I know you may struggle with that but it's clear.
Did you see the amount of handouts the governement has given to the citizens of the UK last year? |
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But he was not a communists/socialist in any sense of the word.
Like I said the other day,one of the 1st things he did was crush the unions.
You are talking "Gleichschaltung" which was the co-ordination of all aspects of life in Germany to fit in with Hitler's ideas and his authority. Again because he thought they were socialists of the wrong type.
Just like how factions in Spain ended up fighting each other. POUM(Anti-Stalionist)vs the PCE and PSUC who were pro Stalin
But the bottom line Is the misery he inflicted on the world was absolutely nothing to do with socialism
My god
Im done
I have explained it like four times and you obivously are not even really properly reading what i type. "
You still appear to be arguing he was a socialist but he didnt like other socialists |
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Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird.
How many times do you have to be told that having some socialist policies is not the same as socialism.
So socialism is a dead concept but socialist policies are fine?
There you have it. Some policies, regardless of where they originate are interchangeable.
I know you may struggle with that but it's clear.
Did you see the amount of handouts the governement has given to the citizens of the UK last year?"
Is it a handout if its paid back ?
Corbyn is slated on here for his crazy left wing schemes.. but you are now saying some of them make sense? |
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But he was not a communists/socialist in any sense of the word.
Like I said the other day,one of the 1st things he did was crush the unions.
You are talking "Gleichschaltung" which was the co-ordination of all aspects of life in Germany to fit in with Hitler's ideas and his authority. Again because he thought they were socialists of the wrong type.
Just like how factions in Spain ended up fighting each other. POUM(Anti-Stalionist)vs the PCE and PSUC who were pro Stalin
But the bottom line Is the misery he inflicted on the world was absolutely nothing to do with socialism
My god
Im done
I have explained it like four times and you obivously are not even really properly reading what i type.
You still appear to be arguing he was a socialist but he didnt like other socialists"
And my points still seem to be going higher than a 747 above your head
I even gave you an example of Socialism vs Socialism and didnt even go into Stalinism vs Trotskyism |
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"It's quite weird how socialism is such a discredited concept, yet some of the most progressive and happiest places on the planet, denmark,Norway etc happily embrace many socialist policies.
Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird.
How many times do you have to be told that having some socialist policies is not the same as socialism.
So socialism is a dead concept but socialist policies are fine?
There you have it. Some policies, regardless of where they originate are interchangeable.
I know you may struggle with that but it's clear.
Did you see the amount of handouts the governement has given to the citizens of the UK last year?
Is it a handout if its paid back ?
Corbyn is slated on here for his crazy left wing schemes.. but you are now saying some of them make sense?"
Who is paying back furlough? Or SEISS? Or the business rates grants? Or the extra UC payments? |
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But he was not a communists/socialist in any sense of the word.
Like I said the other day,one of the 1st things he did was crush the unions.
You are talking "Gleichschaltung" which was the co-ordination of all aspects of life in Germany to fit in with Hitler's ideas and his authority. Again because he thought they were socialists of the wrong type.
Just like how factions in Spain ended up fighting each other. POUM(Anti-Stalionist)vs the PCE and PSUC who were pro Stalin
But the bottom line Is the misery he inflicted on the world was absolutely nothing to do with socialism
My god
Im done
I have explained it like four times and you obivously are not even really properly reading what i type.
You still appear to be arguing he was a socialist but he didnt like other socialists
And my points still seem to be going higher than a 747 above your head
I even gave you an example of Socialism vs Socialism and didnt even go into Stalinism vs Trotskyism"
He called himself a natinal socialist
That is intself a misnomer as socialism is supposed to be international. |
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Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird.
How many times do you have to be told that having some socialist policies is not the same as socialism.
So socialism is a dead concept but socialist policies are fine?
There you have it. Some policies, regardless of where they originate are interchangeable.
I know you may struggle with that but it's clear.
Did you see the amount of handouts the governement has given to the citizens of the UK last year?
Is it a handout if its paid back ?
Corbyn is slated on here for his crazy left wing schemes.. but you are now saying some of them make sense?
Who is paying back furlough? Or SEISS? Or the business rates grants? Or the extra UC payments? "
Increased tax,pay freezes |
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"It's quite weird how socialism is such a discredited concept, yet some of the most progressive and happiest places on the planet, denmark,Norway etc happily embrace many socialist policies.
Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird.
How many times do you have to be told that having some socialist policies is not the same as socialism.
So socialism is a dead concept but socialist policies are fine?
There you have it. Some policies, regardless of where they originate are interchangeable.
I know you may struggle with that but it's clear.
Did you see the amount of handouts the governement has given to the citizens of the UK last year?
Is it a handout if its paid back ?
Corbyn is slated on here for his crazy left wing schemes.. but you are now saying some of them make sense?
Who is paying back furlough? Or SEISS? Or the business rates grants? Or the extra UC payments?
Increased tax,pay freezes"
You mean all of us?
Would it be likely that these things may have happened anyway?
As they were, to the people who received them, they were most definitely handouts. Those don't have to personally pay them back. I know, i received some.
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Out of curiosity.. which partocaular policies do you vehemently disagree with?"
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Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird.
How many times do you have to be told that having some socialist policies is not the same as socialism.
So socialism is a dead concept but socialist policies are fine?
There you have it. Some policies, regardless of where they originate are interchangeable.
I know you may struggle with that but it's clear.
Did you see the amount of handouts the governement has given to the citizens of the UK last year?
Is it a handout if its paid back ?
Corbyn is slated on here for his crazy left wing schemes.. but you are now saying some of them make sense?
Who is paying back furlough? Or SEISS? Or the business rates grants? Or the extra UC payments?
Increased tax,pay freezes
You mean all of us?
Would it be likely that these things may have happened anyway?
As they were, to the people who received them, they were most definitely handouts. Those don't have to personally pay them back. I know, i received some.
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Out of curiosity.. which partocaular policies do you vehemently disagree with?
Wasn't aware I said I did....but we know how things can be interpreted with the right agenda."
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But he was not a communists/socialist in any sense of the word.
Like I said the other day,one of the 1st things he did was crush the unions.
You are talking "Gleichschaltung" which was the co-ordination of all aspects of life in Germany to fit in with Hitler's ideas and his authority. Again because he thought they were socialists of the wrong type.
Just like how factions in Spain ended up fighting each other. POUM(Anti-Stalionist)vs the PCE and PSUC who were pro Stalin
But the bottom line Is the misery he inflicted on the world was absolutely nothing to do with socialism
My god
Im done
I have explained it like four times and you obivously are not even really properly reading what i type.
You still appear to be arguing he was a socialist but he didnt like other socialists
And my points still seem to be going higher than a 747 above your head
I even gave you an example of Socialism vs Socialism and didnt even go into Stalinism vs Trotskyism
He called himself a natinal socialist
That is intself a misnomer as socialism is supposed to be international."
Original Marxist theory was yes
Its almost like there are different forms of socialism..
Stalinism for example was the theory of socialism in one country... |
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"It's quite weird how socialism is such a discredited concept, yet some of the most progressive and happiest places on the planet, denmark,Norway etc happily embrace many socialist policies.
Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird.
How many times do you have to be told that having some socialist policies is not the same as socialism.
So socialism is a dead concept but socialist policies are fine?
There you have it. Some policies, regardless of where they originate are interchangeable.
I know you may struggle with that but it's clear.
Did you see the amount of handouts the governement has given to the citizens of the UK last year?
Is it a handout if its paid back ?
Corbyn is slated on here for his crazy left wing schemes.. but you are now saying some of them make sense?
Who is paying back furlough? Or SEISS? Or the business rates grants? Or the extra UC payments?
Increased tax,pay freezes
You mean all of us?
Would it be likely that these things may have happened anyway?
As they were, to the people who received them, they were most definitely handouts. Those don't have to personally pay them back. I know, i received some.
Ignoring my point about corbs?"
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But he was not a communists/socialist in any sense of the word.
Like I said the other day,one of the 1st things he did was crush the unions.
You are talking "Gleichschaltung" which was the co-ordination of all aspects of life in Germany to fit in with Hitler's ideas and his authority. Again because he thought they were socialists of the wrong type.
Just like how factions in Spain ended up fighting each other. POUM(Anti-Stalionist)vs the PCE and PSUC who were pro Stalin
But the bottom line Is the misery he inflicted on the world was absolutely nothing to do with socialism
My god
Im done
I have explained it like four times and you obivously are not even really properly reading what i type.
You still appear to be arguing he was a socialist but he didnt like other socialists
And my points still seem to be going higher than a 747 above your head
I even gave you an example of Socialism vs Socialism and didnt even go into Stalinism vs Trotskyism
He called himself a natinal socialist
That is intself a misnomer as socialism is supposed to be international.
Original Marxist theory was yes
Its almost like there are different forms of socialism..
Stalinism for example was the theory of socialism in one country..."
Only after being ostrachised by the west
Socialism by it's very nature is meant to be international as its class based,not nation. |
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"It's quite weird how socialism is such a discredited concept, yet some of the most progressive and happiest places on the planet, denmark,Norway etc happily embrace many socialist policies.
Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird.
How many times do you have to be told that having some socialist policies is not the same as socialism.
So socialism is a dead concept but socialist policies are fine?
There you have it. Some policies, regardless of where they originate are interchangeable.
I know you may struggle with that but it's clear.
Did you see the amount of handouts the governement has given to the citizens of the UK last year?
Is it a handout if its paid back ?
Corbyn is slated on here for his crazy left wing schemes.. but you are now saying some of them make sense?
Who is paying back furlough? Or SEISS? Or the business rates grants? Or the extra UC payments?
Increased tax,pay freezes
You mean all of us?
Would it be likely that these things may have happened anyway?
As they were, to the people who received them, they were most definitely handouts. Those don't have to personally pay them back. I know, i received some.
Ignoring my point about corbs?
Ignoring my point that at times, handouts are needed. Just not all the time."
And I've said how can it be handout, if its paid back?
It doesnt really matter who by..that money shelled out will be recouped. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Wrong -
Furlough is NOT paid back.
Grants that the Government have paid to businesses are NOT paid back.
Restart Grants are NOT paid back.
ZERO Rates for businesses 2 years are NOT paid back.
(Long term tax may or may not however take account of them. ) |
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"It's quite weird how socialism is such a discredited concept, yet some of the most progressive and happiest places on the planet, denmark,Norway etc happily embrace many socialist policies.
Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird.
How many times do you have to be told that having some socialist policies is not the same as socialism.
So socialism is a dead concept but socialist policies are fine?
There you have it. Some policies, regardless of where they originate are interchangeable.
I know you may struggle with that but it's clear.
Did you see the amount of handouts the governement has given to the citizens of the UK last year?
Is it a handout if its paid back ?
Corbyn is slated on here for his crazy left wing schemes.. but you are now saying some of them make sense?
Who is paying back furlough? Or SEISS? Or the business rates grants? Or the extra UC payments?
Increased tax,pay freezes
You mean all of us?
Would it be likely that these things may have happened anyway?
As they were, to the people who received them, they were most definitely handouts. Those don't have to personally pay them back. I know, i received some.
Ignoring my point about corbs?
Ignoring my point that at times, handouts are needed. Just not all the time.
And I've said how can it be handout, if its paid back?
It doesnt really matter who by..that money shelled out will be recouped."
Because it's not paid back by the person receiving it. Ergo, handout |
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"It's quite weird how socialism is such a discredited concept, yet some of the most progressive and happiest places on the planet, denmark,Norway etc happily embrace many socialist policies.
Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird.
How many times do you have to be told that having some socialist policies is not the same as socialism.
So socialism is a dead concept but socialist policies are fine?
There you have it. Some policies, regardless of where they originate are interchangeable.
I know you may struggle with that but it's clear.
Did you see the amount of handouts the governement has given to the citizens of the UK last year?
Is it a handout if its paid back ?
Corbyn is slated on here for his crazy left wing schemes.. but you are now saying some of them make sense?
Who is paying back furlough? Or SEISS? Or the business rates grants? Or the extra UC payments?
Increased tax,pay freezes
You mean all of us?
Would it be likely that these things may have happened anyway?
As they were, to the people who received them, they were most definitely handouts. Those don't have to personally pay them back. I know, i received some.
Ignoring my point about corbs?
Ignoring my point that at times, handouts are needed. Just not all the time.
And I've said how can it be handout, if its paid back?
It doesnt really matter who by..that money shelled out will be recouped.
Because it's not paid back by the person receiving it. Ergo, handout"
Still no comment on corbs? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"It never fails to amaze me that people still argue on things that they clearly have no idea what they are talking about. fabs full of experts don’t you know "
Its really not hard to understand either, grants are not paid back, tax breaks are not paid back, rate reductions are not paid back,furlough money is not paid back.Loans are. |
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"It's quite weird how socialism is such a discredited concept, yet some of the most progressive and happiest places on the planet, denmark,Norway etc happily embrace many socialist policies.
Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird.
How many times do you have to be told that having some socialist policies is not the same as socialism.
So socialism is a dead concept but socialist policies are fine?
There you have it. Some policies, regardless of where they originate are interchangeable.
I know you may struggle with that but it's clear.
Did you see the amount of handouts the governement has given to the citizens of the UK last year?
Is it a handout if its paid back ?
Corbyn is slated on here for his crazy left wing schemes.. but you are now saying some of them make sense?
Who is paying back furlough? Or SEISS? Or the business rates grants? Or the extra UC payments?
Increased tax,pay freezes
You mean all of us?
Would it be likely that these things may have happened anyway?
As they were, to the people who received them, they were most definitely handouts. Those don't have to personally pay them back. I know, i received some.
Ignoring my point about corbs?
Ignoring my point that at times, handouts are needed. Just not all the time.
And I've said how can it be handout, if its paid back?
It doesnt really matter who by..that money shelled out will be recouped.
Because it's not paid back by the person receiving it. Ergo, handout
Still no comment on corbs?"
Why would I comment on Corbyn? You're always complaining when people drag him into it so i choose not to |
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"It's quite weird how socialism is such a discredited concept, yet some of the most progressive and happiest places on the planet, denmark,Norway etc happily embrace many socialist policies.
Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird.
How many times do you have to be told that having some socialist policies is not the same as socialism.
So socialism is a dead concept but socialist policies are fine?
There you have it. Some policies, regardless of where they originate are interchangeable.
I know you may struggle with that but it's clear.
Did you see the amount of handouts the governement has given to the citizens of the UK last year?
Is it a handout if its paid back ?
Corbyn is slated on here for his crazy left wing schemes.. but you are now saying some of them make sense?
Who is paying back furlough? Or SEISS? Or the business rates grants? Or the extra UC payments?
Increased tax,pay freezes
You mean all of us?
Would it be likely that these things may have happened anyway?
As they were, to the people who received them, they were most definitely handouts. Those don't have to personally pay them back. I know, i received some.
Ignoring my point about corbs?
Ignoring my point that at times, handouts are needed. Just not all the time.
And I've said how can it be handout, if its paid back?
It doesnt really matter who by..that money shelled out will be recouped.
Because it's not paid back by the person receiving it. Ergo, handout
Still no comment on corbs?
Why would I comment on Corbyn? You're always complaining when people drag him into it so i choose not to"
Another winner |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"Irony..
The lost concept."
"noun: irony
the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect."
So if you actually apply your stated 'irony' statement to your argument you are agreeing with us then.
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"It's quite weird how socialism is such a discredited concept, yet some of the most progressive and happiest places on the planet, denmark,Norway etc happily embrace many socialist policies.
Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird.
How many times do you have to be told that having some socialist policies is not the same as socialism.
So socialism is a dead concept but socialist policies are fine?
There you have it. Some policies, regardless of where they originate are interchangeable.
I know you may struggle with that but it's clear.
Did you see the amount of handouts the governement has given to the citizens of the UK last year?
Is it a handout if its paid back ?
Corbyn is slated on here for his crazy left wing schemes.. but you are now saying some of them make sense?
Who is paying back furlough? Or SEISS? Or the business rates grants? Or the extra UC payments?
Increased tax,pay freezes
You mean all of us?
Would it be likely that these things may have happened anyway?
As they were, to the people who received them, they were most definitely handouts. Those don't have to personally pay them back. I know, i received some.
Ignoring my point about corbs?
Ignoring my point that at times, handouts are needed. Just not all the time.
And I've said how can it be handout, if its paid back?
It doesnt really matter who by..that money shelled out will be recouped.
Because it's not paid back by the person receiving it. Ergo, handout
Still no comment on corbs?
Why would I comment on Corbyn? You're always complaining when people drag him into it so i choose not to
Another winner "
I always win with you Lionel
You dragged Corbyn into a debate that had nothing to do with him. I'll remind you next time you cry thatvsomeone else has done so |
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"It's quite weird how socialism is such a discredited concept, yet some of the most progressive and happiest places on the planet, denmark,Norway etc happily embrace many socialist policies.
Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird.
How many times do you have to be told that having some socialist policies is not the same as socialism.
So socialism is a dead concept but socialist policies are fine?
There you have it. Some policies, regardless of where they originate are interchangeable.
I know you may struggle with that but it's clear.
Did you see the amount of handouts the governement has given to the citizens of the UK last year?
Is it a handout if its paid back ?
Corbyn is slated on here for his crazy left wing schemes.. but you are now saying some of them make sense?
Who is paying back furlough? Or SEISS? Or the business rates grants? Or the extra UC payments?
Increased tax,pay freezes
You mean all of us?
Would it be likely that these things may have happened anyway?
As they were, to the people who received them, they were most definitely handouts. Those don't have to personally pay them back. I know, i received some.
Ignoring my point about corbs?
Ignoring my point that at times, handouts are needed. Just not all the time.
And I've said how can it be handout, if its paid back?
It doesnt really matter who by..that money shelled out will be recouped.
Because it's not paid back by the person receiving it. Ergo, handout
Still no comment on corbs?
Why would I comment on Corbyn? You're always complaining when people drag him into it so i choose not to
Another winner
I always win with you Lionel
You dragged Corbyn into a debate that had nothing to do with him. I'll remind you next time you cry thatvsomeone else has done so "
Nope
You suggested socialist policies were acceptable and when I asked why did a politician who advocated such policies, was labelled a dangerous communist, you chose not to answer.
Standard. |
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"It's quite weird how socialism is such a discredited concept, yet some of the most progressive and happiest places on the planet, denmark,Norway etc happily embrace many socialist policies.
Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird.
How many times do you have to be told that having some socialist policies is not the same as socialism.
So socialism is a dead concept but socialist policies are fine?
There you have it. Some policies, regardless of where they originate are interchangeable.
I know you may struggle with that but it's clear.
Did you see the amount of handouts the governement has given to the citizens of the UK last year?
Is it a handout if its paid back ?
Corbyn is slated on here for his crazy left wing schemes.. but you are now saying some of them make sense?
Who is paying back furlough? Or SEISS? Or the business rates grants? Or the extra UC payments?
Increased tax,pay freezes
You mean all of us?
Would it be likely that these things may have happened anyway?
As they were, to the people who received them, they were most definitely handouts. Those don't have to personally pay them back. I know, i received some.
Ignoring my point about corbs?
Ignoring my point that at times, handouts are needed. Just not all the time.
And I've said how can it be handout, if its paid back?
It doesnt really matter who by..that money shelled out will be recouped.
Because it's not paid back by the person receiving it. Ergo, handout
Still no comment on corbs?
Why would I comment on Corbyn? You're always complaining when people drag him into it so i choose not to
Another winner
I always win with you Lionel
You dragged Corbyn into a debate that had nothing to do with him. I'll remind you next time you cry thatvsomeone else has done so
Nope
You suggested socialist policies were acceptable and when I asked why did a politician who advocated such policies, was labelled a dangerous communist, you chose not to answer.
Standard."
I have never labelled Corbyn a dangerous communist so I can't answer.
If I had said that then you would be right to ask for one but seeing as I didn't, yes it is standard that I don't answer. |
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"It's quite weird how socialism is such a discredited concept, yet some of the most progressive and happiest places on the planet, denmark,Norway etc happily embrace many socialist policies.
Whilst a kingdom that despises them is about as divided as its possible to be.
Weird.
How many times do you have to be told that having some socialist policies is not the same as socialism.
So socialism is a dead concept but socialist policies are fine?
There you have it. Some policies, regardless of where they originate are interchangeable.
I know you may struggle with that but it's clear.
Did you see the amount of handouts the governement has given to the citizens of the UK last year?
Is it a handout if its paid back ?
Corbyn is slated on here for his crazy left wing schemes.. but you are now saying some of them make sense?
Who is paying back furlough? Or SEISS? Or the business rates grants? Or the extra UC payments?
Increased tax,pay freezes
You mean all of us?
Would it be likely that these things may have happened anyway?
As they were, to the people who received them, they were most definitely handouts. Those don't have to personally pay them back. I know, i received some.
Ignoring my point about corbs?
Ignoring my point that at times, handouts are needed. Just not all the time.
And I've said how can it be handout, if its paid back?
It doesnt really matter who by..that money shelled out will be recouped.
Because it's not paid back by the person receiving it. Ergo, handout
Still no comment on corbs?
Why would I comment on Corbyn? You're always complaining when people drag him into it so i choose not to
Another winner
I always win with you Lionel
You dragged Corbyn into a debate that had nothing to do with him. I'll remind you next time you cry thatvsomeone else has done so
Nope
You suggested socialist policies were acceptable and when I asked why did a politician who advocated such policies, was labelled a dangerous communist, you chose not to answer.
Standard.
I have never labelled Corbyn a dangerous communist so I can't answer.
If I had said that then you would be right to ask for one but seeing as I didn't, yes it is standard that I don't answer."
That's standard Lionel lol rewrites of what you might of could of perhaps said but didn't actually say.... and he calls Boris a buffoon! |
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"Landslide victory for the conservatives
Q: is it time that the Labour Party to be shelved as socialism is on the decline?
Perhaps a new middle ground party should evolve?
They could call it New Labour. "
Or call themselves what they are red Tories. |
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