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By *L Rogue OP Man
over a year ago
London |
After comments about food production in another thread, I started wondering about the UK's current state of affairs when it comes to self sufficiency. According to some quotes, we import around 48% of food consumed.
Is the UK strong in this area and is it ready for the challenges ahead?
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over a year ago
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"After comments about food production in another thread, I started wondering about the UK's current state of affairs when it comes to self sufficiency. According to some quotes, we import around 48% of food consumed.
Is the UK strong in this area and is it ready for the challenges ahead?
Discuss. "
Self sufficiency will only work in the UK if we severely limit our dietary needs. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"After comments about food production in another thread, I started wondering about the UK's current state of affairs when it comes to self sufficiency. According to some quotes, we import around 48% of food consumed.
Is the UK strong in this area and is it ready for the challenges ahead?
Discuss. "
Cannot work in the UK because of the attitudes of the British people,we are no different to every other country in Europe and other places |
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Olive oil, parmesan, brie, bananas, citrus, spices, tea, coffee, baked beans, spirits, wine. Plenty of stuff that you'll either lose completely or have to accept lower quality/higher prices if you only buy British. And wine alone, the new world doesn't produce enough to replace the EU so don't expect Kent/Sussex to fill the void. |
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"How many countries in the world are self sufficient in food production and where has this sudden interest come from? "
Yes, exactly. We haven't been for a very long time (maybe 17th century?).
Even when severely restricted, and everyone encouraged to grow their own produce (WW2) we still needed to import a lot to keep us going. |
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We don't need to be as we can buy produce from many many countries - including and not including the EU.
Also, the self-sufficiency route is ill-advised by most scientists because it can lead to higher prices which the poor are less able to meet. And if there were ever to be a failure of production it could lead to self-deficiency. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The UK wastes around 1/3 of food produced here or imported. That leaves quite a small margin of around 15% deficit.
Shouldn't be too hard to make that up should we need to |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The UK wastes around 1/3 of food produced here or imported. That leaves quite a small margin of around 15% deficit.
Shouldn't be too hard to make that up should we need to"
It is a huge problem but there will always be huge amounts of waste, most people don’t cook anymore, they eat what they want when they want |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The UK wastes around 1/3 of food produced here or imported. That leaves quite a small margin of around 15% deficit.
Shouldn't be too hard to make that up should we need to
It is a huge problem but there will always be huge amounts of waste, most people don’t cook anymore, they eat what they want when they want "
This is the problem and kids should be taught how to cook at school again, it would cut down on food poverty and waste at the same time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The UK wastes around 1/3 of food produced here or imported. That leaves quite a small margin of around 15% deficit.
Shouldn't be too hard to make that up should we need to
It is a huge problem but there will always be huge amounts of waste, most people don’t cook anymore, they eat what they want when they want "
We cook just about every night. Although, we are guilty of wastage too. Even if it is mostly the kids.
Would we waste so much if we didn't have the massive amounts of options available to us though? I'm not so sure we would. |
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I think one of the biggest issues that needs to be tackled by manufacturers is their notion of portion size. People just really don't care to hack a frozen lasagne in half and re-freeze what's left. Et-al. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think one of the biggest issues that needs to be tackled by manufacturers is their notion of portion size. People just really don't care to hack a frozen lasagne in half and re-freeze what's left. Et-al."
That's another issue. Manufacturers deliberately make 'portions' bigger so as to appear value for money. But then it's wasted anyway 
But, who even eats frozen lasagne? Apart from when your at the pub  |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
Between Chichester and Havant |
The biggest problem is the supermarkets.
Still making lots of offers, people confusing sell by dates with use by. Throwing food away if it's one day past it's use by. Blaming the supermarket is easy though. The public need to be educated and need to use common sense. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The UK wastes around 1/3 of food produced here or imported. That leaves quite a small margin of around 15% deficit.
Shouldn't be too hard to make that up should we need to
It is a huge problem but there will always be huge amounts of waste, most people don’t cook anymore, they eat what they want when they want This is the problem and kids should be taught how to cook at school again, it would cut down on food poverty and waste at the same time."
I agree, higher taxes on fast food? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"The UK wastes around 1/3 of food produced here or imported. That leaves quite a small margin of around 15% deficit.
Shouldn't be too hard to make that up should we need to
It is a huge problem but there will always be huge amounts of waste, most people don’t cook anymore, they eat what they want when they want This is the problem and kids should be taught how to cook at school again, it would cut down on food poverty and waste at the same time.
I agree, higher taxes on fast food? "
I don't think that's needed just better education on how to plan and cook food it should be compulsory in schools from an early age. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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But, who even eats frozen lasagne? Apart from when your at the pub
lol. Figures say that UK households eat at least one frozen meal a week.
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I guess that really doesn't surprise me actually |
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" I don't think that's needed just better education on how to plan and cook food it should be compulsory in schools from an early age."
I was at all girls residential/s - and we cooked at night as part of our regular lives. Do they even teach Home-Ed or Cooking in Schools now? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The UK wastes around 1/3 of food produced here or imported. That leaves quite a small margin of around 15% deficit.
Shouldn't be too hard to make that up should we need to
It is a huge problem but there will always be huge amounts of waste, most people don’t cook anymore, they eat what they want when they want This is the problem and kids should be taught how to cook at school again, it would cut down on food poverty and waste at the same time.
I agree, higher taxes on fast food? "
Higher taxes aren't the answer.
For example, coca cola haven't seen reduced market share in the last 3 years |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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" I don't think that's needed just better education on how to plan and cook food it should be compulsory in schools from an early age.
I was at all girls residential/s - and we cooked at night as part of our regular lives. Do they even teach Home-Ed or Cooking in Schools now?"
They do but it isn't compulsory once you hit year 10. And even before that, it's once a week. Certainly at my daughters school, with the pressure on academic subjects it's not enough for them to retain anything other than the basics |
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" I don't think that's needed just better education on how to plan and cook food it should be compulsory in schools from an early age.
I was at all girls residential/s - and we cooked at night as part of our regular lives. Do they even teach Home-Ed or Cooking in Schools now?
They do but it isn't compulsory once you hit year 10. And even before that, it's once a week. Certainly at my daughters school, with the pressure on academic subjects it's not enough for them to retain anything other than the basics"
Oh dear. Co's you were not even considering planning a family meal at aged 9 !!! That is quite shocking really. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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" I don't think that's needed just better education on how to plan and cook food it should be compulsory in schools from an early age.
I was at all girls residential/s - and we cooked at night as part of our regular lives. Do they even teach Home-Ed or Cooking in Schools now?
They do but it isn't compulsory once you hit year 10. And even before that, it's once a week. Certainly at my daughters school, with the pressure on academic subjects it's not enough for them to retain anything other than the basics
Oh dear. Co's you were not even considering planning a family meal at aged 9 !!! That is quite shocking really."
Sorry Cat, you've lost me there |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The UK wastes around 1/3 of food produced here or imported. That leaves quite a small margin of around 15% deficit.
Shouldn't be too hard to make that up should we need to
It is a huge problem but there will always be huge amounts of waste, most people don’t cook anymore, they eat what they want when they want This is the problem and kids should be taught how to cook at school again, it would cut down on food poverty and waste at the same time.
I agree, higher taxes on fast food? I don't think that's needed just better education on how to plan and cook food it should be compulsory in schools from an early age."
True, but let’s be honest, whilst fast food is so cheap and easy to get at anytime waste and obesity will always be a problem |
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" I don't think that's needed just better education on how to plan and cook food it should be compulsory in schools from an early age.
I was at all girls residential/s - and we cooked at night as part of our regular lives. Do they even teach Home-Ed or Cooking in Schools now?
They do but it isn't compulsory once you hit year 10. And even before that, it's once a week. Certainly at my daughters school, with the pressure on academic subjects it's not enough for them to retain anything other than the basics
Oh dear. Co's you were not even considering planning a family meal at aged 9 !!! That is quite shocking really.
Sorry Cat, you've lost me there "
Sorry. It was a poorly constructed sentence. My bad lol.
I meant to say. If students only have it as an option after 10. The knowledge you would have gained in school before then 9 and lower) would not have been useful to you in terms of your longer term future with regard to family and food planning. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The UK wastes around 1/3 of food produced here or imported. That leaves quite a small margin of around 15% deficit.
Shouldn't be too hard to make that up should we need to
It is a huge problem but there will always be huge amounts of waste, most people don’t cook anymore, they eat what they want when they want This is the problem and kids should be taught how to cook at school again, it would cut down on food poverty and waste at the same time.
I agree, higher taxes on fast food? I don't think that's needed just better education on how to plan and cook food it should be compulsory in schools from an early age.
True, but let’s be honest, whilst fast food is so cheap and easy to get at anytime waste and obesity will always be a problem "
This is where i am saying that education can change that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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" I don't think that's needed just better education on how to plan and cook food it should be compulsory in schools from an early age.
I was at all girls residential/s - and we cooked at night as part of our regular lives. Do they even teach Home-Ed or Cooking in Schools now?
They do but it isn't compulsory once you hit year 10. And even before that, it's once a week. Certainly at my daughters school, with the pressure on academic subjects it's not enough for them to retain anything other than the basics
Oh dear. Co's you were not even considering planning a family meal at aged 9 !!! That is quite shocking really.
Sorry Cat, you've lost me there
Sorry. It was a poorly constructed sentence. My bad lol.
I meant to say. If students only have it as an option after 10. The knowledge you would have gained in school before then 9 and lower) would not have been useful to you in terms of your longer term future with regard to family and food planning."
No no, 'year 10' is 14 years old. But as I said even between the ages of 11-14 it's only 1 hour a week. Basic stuff really,they'll teach them how to bake cookies or something. 1 hour a week is nowhere near enough to learn how to cook.
I'm thankful my eldest opted to do it as a GCSE but even then the stuff they do doesn't help in terms of meal planning etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The UK wastes around 1/3 of food produced here or imported. That leaves quite a small margin of around 15% deficit.
Shouldn't be too hard to make that up should we need to
It is a huge problem but there will always be huge amounts of waste, most people don’t cook anymore, they eat what they want when they want This is the problem and kids should be taught how to cook at school again, it would cut down on food poverty and waste at the same time.
I agree, higher taxes on fast food? I don't think that's needed just better education on how to plan and cook food it should be compulsory in schools from an early age.
True, but let’s be honest, whilst fast food is so cheap and easy to get at anytime waste and obesity will always be a problem This is where i am saying that education can change that. "
You would like to think so, the world is a much different place than it was 10-20 years ago, fast food is too cheap and easily accessible you look on any high street, take aways are everywhere |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The UK wastes around 1/3 of food produced here or imported. That leaves quite a small margin of around 15% deficit.
Shouldn't be too hard to make that up should we need to
It is a huge problem but there will always be huge amounts of waste, most people don’t cook anymore, they eat what they want when they want This is the problem and kids should be taught how to cook at school again, it would cut down on food poverty and waste at the same time.
I agree, higher taxes on fast food? I don't think that's needed just better education on how to plan and cook food it should be compulsory in schools from an early age.
True, but let’s be honest, whilst fast food is so cheap and easy to get at anytime waste and obesity will always be a problem This is where i am saying that education can change that.
You would like to think so, the world is a much different place than it was 10-20 years ago, fast food is too cheap and easily accessible you look on any high street, take aways are everywhere "
yes but who would have thought kids 10-20 years ago would be so interested in climate change for instance? education has the power to change things. |
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"After comments about food production in another thread, I started wondering about the UK's current state of affairs when it comes to self sufficiency. According to some quotes, we import around 48% of food consumed.
Is the UK strong in this area and is it ready for the challenges ahead?
Discuss. "
As I say, my crew has given you all the info you need on the real figures and status. Your OP is a bit prejudiced with misleading data as I’ve explained many times. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"After comments about food production in another thread, I started wondering about the UK's current state of affairs when it comes to self sufficiency. According to some quotes, we import around 48% of food consumed.
Is the UK strong in this area and is it ready for the challenges ahead?
Discuss. "
Good to see a proper thread about self sufficency .
Not some mumbo jumbo out of the right wing press . |
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But, who even eats frozen lasagne? Apart from when your at the pub
lol. Figures say that UK households eat at least one frozen meal a week.
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I honestly can't remember the last time I cooked and ate a frozen meal  |
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By *L Rogue OP Man
over a year ago
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"After comments about food production in another thread, I started wondering about the UK's current state of affairs when it comes to self sufficiency. According to some quotes, we import around 48% of food consumed.
Is the UK strong in this area and is it ready for the challenges ahead?
Discuss.
Good to see a proper thread about self sufficency .
Not some mumbo jumbo out of the right wing press ."
Thank you. There's a "crew" out there struggling with this. |
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"After comments about food production in another thread, I started wondering about the UK's current state of affairs when it comes to self sufficiency. According to some quotes, we import around 48% of food consumed.
Is the UK strong in this area and is it ready for the challenges ahead?
Discuss.
Good to see a proper thread about self sufficency .
Not some mumbo jumbo out of the right wing press .
Thank you. There's a "crew" out there struggling with this. "
And are you still "worrying" about it or have you considered the facts and you now accept there is nothing to worry about? |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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I think that one of the original Brexit fantasies was to go back to pre-war and post-war times, where food choices were limited and people could "honestly" celebrate the Harvest Festival."
Let's be honest, who really wants to live in a modern society where, as consumers, we have almost unlimited choices and the ability to have almost all fruit and vegetables on sale, all year round?.. |
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"I think that one of the original Brexit fantasies was to go back to pre-war and post-war times, where food choices were limited and people could "honestly" celebrate the Harvest Festival."
Let's be honest, who really wants to live in a modern society where, as consumers, we have almost unlimited choices and the ability to have almost all fruit and vegetables on sale, all year round?.. "
Higher food prices and less consumer choice was written off as "project fear", and the brexit voters believed it despite all the evidence saying this would happen.
That's the world we live in now. Information is irrelevant, three word slogans are king. |
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"I think that one of the original Brexit fantasies was to go back to pre-war and post-war times, where food choices were limited and people could "honestly" celebrate the Harvest Festival."
Let's be honest, who really wants to live in a modern society where, as consumers, we have almost unlimited choices and the ability to have almost all fruit and vegetables on sale, all year round?.. "
and at a much lower cost |
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"I think that one of the original Brexit fantasies was to go back to pre-war and post-war times, where food choices were limited and people could "honestly" celebrate the Harvest Festival."
Let's be honest, who really wants to live in a modern society where, as consumers, we have almost unlimited choices and the ability to have almost all fruit and vegetables on sale, all year round?.. "
There's no light without the dark
Have a think about that  |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"I think that one of the original Brexit fantasies was to go back to pre-war and post-war times, where food choices were limited and people could "honestly" celebrate the Harvest Festival."
Let's be honest, who really wants to live in a modern society where, as consumers, we have almost unlimited choices and the ability to have almost all fruit and vegetables on sale, all year round?.. "
Dont tell Greta that, the environmental cost of the availability of such year round food is enormous. |
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By *L Rogue OP Man
over a year ago
London |
"After comments about food production in another thread, I started wondering about the UK's current state of affairs when it comes to self sufficiency. According to some quotes, we import around 48% of food consumed.
Is the UK strong in this area and is it ready for the challenges ahead?
Discuss.
Good to see a proper thread about self sufficency .
Not some mumbo jumbo out of the right wing press .
Thank you. There's a "crew" out there struggling with this.
And are you still "worrying" about it or have you considered the facts and you now accept there is nothing to worry about? "
I simply raised a point of discussion and welcome opinions. Feel free to join in. |
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"After comments about food production in another thread, I started wondering about the UK's current state of affairs when it comes to self sufficiency. According to some quotes, we import around 48% of food consumed.
Is the UK strong in this area and is it ready for the challenges ahead?
Discuss.
Good to see a proper thread about self sufficency .
Not some mumbo jumbo out of the right wing press .
Thank you. There's a "crew" out there struggling with this.
And are you still "worrying" about it or have you considered the facts and you now accept there is nothing to worry about?
I simply raised a point of discussion and welcome opinions. Feel free to join in."
Ah OK. Well I've given you the right and factual answer so kind of end of discussion really. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"After comments about food production in another thread, I started wondering about the UK's current state of affairs when it comes to self sufficiency. According to some quotes, we import around 48% of food consumed.
Is the UK strong in this area and is it ready for the challenges ahead?
Discuss.
Good to see a proper thread about self sufficency .
Not some mumbo jumbo out of the right wing press .
Thank you. There's a "crew" out there struggling with this.
And are you still "worrying" about it or have you considered the facts and you now accept there is nothing to worry about?
I simply raised a point of discussion and welcome opinions. Feel free to join in.
Ah OK. Well I've given you the right and factual answer so kind of end of discussion really. "
Someone postiing "the right & factual answer "
Has never stopped you from carrying on Jim .
Night & Day isnt sufficency is it .
Glad i could fix it for you .
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"The only way Uk can be self sufficient is by cutting the population dramatically but this would loose votes
Or develop better food production .
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Go on then tells what and how to do it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The only way Uk can be self sufficient is by cutting the population dramatically but this would loose votes
Or develop better food production .
Go on then tells what and how to do it "
I'll let you go first .
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"The only way Uk can be self sufficient is by cutting the population dramatically but this would loose votes
Or develop better food production .
Go on then tells what and how to do it
I'll let you go first .
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So you dont have a clue then, talk is cheap in the social media world |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"The UK will never, ever become self sufficient in regards to food. "
It is in theory possible, enough to survive on perhaps, but not many would like the choice of available foods and obesity would be a thing of the past as some form of rationing would be needed |
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"The UK will never, ever become self sufficient in regards to food.
It is in theory possible, enough to survive on perhaps, but not many would like the choice of available foods and obesity would be a thing of the past as some form of rationing would be needed"
Yes, taking things to the extreme I'm sure we could be self sufficient but it would require planting of crops on a scale never seen before and the lack of food choice would be so unpalatable it would never be attempted. |
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"The UK will never, ever become self sufficient in regards to food.
You say it like that's a bad thing. lol.
Not at all no, I just can't ever see it happening. "
I don't think we ought to be self-sufficient either. |
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"The UK will never, ever become self sufficient in regards to food.
You say it like that's a bad thing. lol.
Not at all no, I just can't ever see it happening.
I don't think we ought to be self-sufficient either. "
No me neither. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The only way Uk can be self sufficient is by cutting the population dramatically but this would loose votes
Or develop better food production .
Go on then tells what and how to do it
I'll let you go first .
So you dont have a clue then, talk is cheap in the social media world "
Who said i have no idea ?
I have plenty of ideas .
I just offered you a chance.
Britain lagging behind everyone again
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.euronews.com/living/amp/2020/10/26/the-world-s-largest-insect-farm-is-being-built-in-france
Not just for humans .
Pets to
https://www.yorapetfoods.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIo9mj_aK18AIVZrR3Ch0ACwJCEAAYASAAEgJ1afD_BwE
It's the future
Garlic & insect flour bread
??
As you say talk is cheap.
Actions speak far louder .
I just hear chat in the U.K
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
Between Chichester and Havant |
If you can persuade the general public to buy the products, even for their pets. It's nothing new, the idea, it's been around for a long time. But will people buy food with insects in it? That's the question. So far the public, no matter how good for you, have screwed their nose up. |
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"The only way Uk can be self sufficient is by cutting the population dramatically but this would loose votes
Or develop better food production .
Go on then tells what and how to do it
I'll let you go first .
So you dont have a clue then, talk is cheap in the social media world
Who said i have no idea ?
I have plenty of ideas .
I just offered you a chance.
Britain lagging behind everyone again
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.euronews.com/living/amp/2020/10/26/the-world-s-largest-insect-farm-is-being-built-in-france
Not just for humans .
Pets to
https://www.yorapetfoods.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIo9mj_aK18AIVZrR3Ch0ACwJCEAAYASAAEgJ1afD_BwE
It's the future
Garlic & insect flour bread
??
As you say talk is cheap.
Actions speak far louder .
I just hear chat in the U.K
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Thank god we are out of the Europe of that's the muck they are now serving up, that's all I can say |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"The only way Uk can be self sufficient is by cutting the population dramatically but this would loose votes
Or develop better food production .
Go on then tells what and how to do it
I'll let you go first .
So you dont have a clue then, talk is cheap in the social media world
Who said i have no idea ?
I have plenty of ideas .
I just offered you a chance.
Britain lagging behind everyone again
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.euronews.com/living/amp/2020/10/26/the-world-s-largest-insect-farm-is-being-built-in-france
Not just for humans .
Pets to
https://www.yorapetfoods.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIo9mj_aK18AIVZrR3Ch0ACwJCEAAYASAAEgJ1afD_BwE
It's the future
Garlic & insect flour bread
??
As you say talk is cheap.
Actions speak far louder .
I just hear chat in the U.K
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"The only way Uk can be self sufficient is by cutting the population dramatically but this would loose votes
Or develop better food production .
Go on then tells what and how to do it
I'll let you go first .
So you dont have a clue then, talk is cheap in the social media world
Who said i have no idea ?
I have plenty of ideas .
I just offered you a chance.
Britain lagging behind everyone again
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.euronews.com/living/amp/2020/10/26/the-world-s-largest-insect-farm-is-being-built-in-france
Not just for humans .
Pets to
https://www.yorapetfoods.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIo9mj_aK18AIVZrR3Ch0ACwJCEAAYASAAEgJ1afD_BwE
It's the future
Garlic & insect flour bread
??
As you say talk is cheap.
Actions speak far louder .
I just hear chat in the U.K
Is that your idea of "better food " production as you said the uk would need to do ? "
Its a better means of self sufficency.
You seem to be moving the goal posts
Please stick to the OP's Topic
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