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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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..or so say headlines in the Telegraph.
Surely if both the UK and the EU follow what was agreed in the trade agreement and the NI protocol - there will be no issues?
It was always going to be a lose lose deal on trade however it is done now and heralded by Johnson as World class.
If both parties stick to it, why should it be a problem? |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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We are talking about the EU who make all things a problem to justify the existance of there non democratic institutions.
They also hate us for leaving so there nasty side gets even more nastier |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"We are talking about the EU who make all things a problem to justify the existance of there non democratic institutions.
They also hate us for leaving so there nasty side gets even more nastier"
Okay - but how can the EU do anything if they follow the agreement.
Saying the EU is nasty means nothing.
There are clauses within the agreement which means that if the EU (or UK) break what has been agreed, there are penalties.
The UK can invoke them (as can the EU).
All above board.
Why should there be issues.
Tell me how - not just because they are nasty... |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"..or so say headlines in the Telegraph.
Surely if both the UK and the EU follow what was agreed in the trade agreement and the NI protocol - there will be no issues?
It was always going to be a lose lose deal on trade however it is done now and heralded by Johnson as World class.
If both parties stick to it, why should it be a problem?"
First up, that article is based on a long-term assumption that Britain will push for aggressive divergence and assumes that will be in the long-term interests of the U.K. Literally no-one else is suggesting this. The cross a party DEFRA committee has today asked the Government to revisit the Brexit to help small food and drink manufacturers who are currently hampered by the non-tariff barriers that the government said were not there, but clearly are.
Most economic observers expect a quiet, under the table shaft to a closer convergence with EU rules quite simply because the way things are right now is damaging UK exports.
The situation that the article suggests is that Brexit will somehow become finalised and at that time the U.K. will flex its muscles as an equal to the EU and hence more angst. Actually, it is far more likely that Brexit will never actually be done and the U.K. and the EU will be engaged in permanent trade negotiations ad infinitum. |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
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I was reading a little about this earlier and talk of trying to renegotiate part of the deal. There are still lots of mini deals, sector deals being negotiated.
A lot of the problems stem from the fact the government are delaying the implementation of checks on foods etc from the EU, trying to ensure there are no shortage of foodstuffs. Because of this we are still tied into the Sanitary and phytosanitary (SPS) alignment rules. This has several affects. It falls to give us any bargaining chips in the ongoing negotiations, which the EU are well aware of, it also makes negotiating trade deals with other countries because as far as they are concerned we still have this alignment with the EU, especially where agriculture is concerned. The SPS is based on protectionism, rather than scientific evidence which the majority of countries outside of the EU use.
This seems to be highlighted greater with N.I. with everything having to meet the SPS from the UK to N.I.
It does rather seem as if it was a badly negotiated deal, with alignment with the EU and the government not implementing of border checks as the EU have done.
Unless we break from the alignment and SPS we will be reliant on the majority of foodstuffs coming from the EU as we shall be unable to negotiate the deals that could bring foodstuffs in from countries outside of the EU. |
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
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They have enough problems to sort out. It now seems that Austria doesn't want to follow the EU agreement with the UK and now adds 3% + Austrian VAT on everything from the UK. Same parts going to other states, not an issue, they just add their VAT, in Austria they charge their citizens extra. So much for all being one Europe, yet again some EU citizens are different from others.
Customers complaining, but it is their problem with their government, not ours they have been told. Some now realise they are treated different from German across the border.
Can't wait for the box mountains to stack up in July, some EU states just can't handle parcels from the UK, let alone from each other. Every parcel will be checked for correct paperwork. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I was reading a little about this earlier and talk of trying to renegotiate part of the deal. There are still lots of mini deals, sector deals being negotiated.
A lot of the problems stem from the fact the government are delaying the implementation of checks on foods etc from the EU, trying to ensure there are no shortage of foodstuffs. Because of this we are still tied into the Sanitary and phytosanitary (SPS) alignment rules. This has several affects. It falls to give us any bargaining chips in the ongoing negotiations, which the EU are well aware of, it also makes negotiating trade deals with other countries because as far as they are concerned we still have this alignment with the EU, especially where agriculture is concerned. The SPS is based on protectionism, rather than scientific evidence which the majority of countries outside of the EU use.
This seems to be highlighted greater with N.I. with everything having to meet the SPS from the UK to N.I.
It does rather seem as if it was a badly negotiated deal, with alignment with the EU and the government not implementing of border checks as the EU have done.
Unless we break from the alignment and SPS we will be reliant on the majority of foodstuffs coming from the EU as we shall be unable to negotiate the deals that could bring foodstuffs in from countries outside of the EU."
Excellent synopsis
It does sound as if the UK has rather shot itself in the foot with the deal it has struck...
I also agree that this will never end - look st Switzerland (and Norway).
The UK will continue to try to hone and improve the deal and, if the EU have the upper hand, the EU will make the UK pay dear to do so.
I guess that this is simple commerce. The UK left the EU and once all the debt has been cleared, will no longer pay into the EU.
If the UK wants more access to the EU, they will be charged accordingly.
Most in the UK would say that they want nothing from the EU and, if that were possible, then fine but time will tell.
I think the EU will play hard but fair - if not, the UK can simply tell them to get lost and trade elsewhere.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It does sound as if the UK has rather shot itself in the foot with the deal it has struck...
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Indeed. But this was always the inevitable outcome. There was never any deal that was going to be as good as the one we had as a member. |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
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We needed a stronger PM who would have stuck to the October deadline and walked away. Once that had been passed he lost credibility and any advantage he may have had.
If no deal was better than a bad deal, why have we been left with the one we have? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We needed a stronger PM who would have stuck to the October deadline and walked away. Once that had been passed he lost credibility and any advantage he may have had.
If no deal was better than a bad deal, why have we been left with the one we have? "
No deal would have been catastrophic.
Threatening the EU to walk away with no deal which would have inconvenienced them and crippled the UK, was absolutely zero use to us as a bargaining chip.
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
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"We needed a stronger PM who would have stuck to the October deadline and walked away. Once that had been passed he lost credibility and any advantage he may have had.
If no deal was better than a bad deal, why have we been left with the one we have?
No deal would have been catastrophic.
Threatening the EU to walk away with no deal which would have inconvenienced them and crippled the UK, was absolutely zero use to us as a bargaining chip.
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I didn't mean threaten. I meant actually do it. Walk away. It would have focused minds and we would have had a trade deal anyway. It's no use going over old ground, I know we would never agree, so I'll leave it there. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We needed a stronger PM who would have stuck to the October deadline and walked away. Once that had been passed he lost credibility and any advantage he may have had.
If no deal was better than a bad deal, why have we been left with the one we have?
No deal would have been catastrophic.
Threatening the EU to walk away with no deal which would have inconvenienced them and crippled the UK, was absolutely zero use to us as a bargaining chip.
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I would've walked with no deal. It is the only hand any side holds in a business negotiation.
If you aren't willing to walk then you will never ever get the best deal. |
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"We needed a stronger PM who would have stuck to the October deadline and walked away. Once that had been passed he lost credibility and any advantage he may have had.
If no deal was better than a bad deal, why have we been left with the one we have?
No deal would have been catastrophic.
Threatening the EU to walk away with no deal which would have inconvenienced them and crippled the UK, was absolutely zero use to us as a bargaining chip.
I would've walked with no deal. It is the only hand any side holds in a business negotiation.
If you aren't willing to walk then you will never ever get the best deal. "
exactly |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We needed a stronger PM who would have stuck to the October deadline and walked away. Once that had been passed he lost credibility and any advantage he may have had.
If no deal was better than a bad deal, why have we been left with the one we have?
No deal would have been catastrophic.
Threatening the EU to walk away with no deal which would have inconvenienced them and crippled the UK, was absolutely zero use to us as a bargaining chip.
I would've walked with no deal. It is the only hand any side holds in a business negotiation.
If you aren't willing to walk then you will never ever get the best deal. exactly "
A no deal would have been a catastrophe for the UK, the EU knew that , tbh I thought we would leave with a no deal but when Trump lost the presidential election that option was gone |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We needed a stronger PM who would have stuck to the October deadline and walked away. Once that had been passed he lost credibility and any advantage he may have had.
If no deal was better than a bad deal, why have we been left with the one we have?
No deal would have been catastrophic.
Threatening the EU to walk away with no deal which would have inconvenienced them and crippled the UK, was absolutely zero use to us as a bargaining chip.
I would've walked with no deal. It is the only hand any side holds in a business negotiation.
If you aren't willing to walk then you will never ever get the best deal. "
The EU knew how catastrophic a no deal would be for the UK. So it being on the table put the UK in a weaker position.
Threatening to shoot ourselves in the foot by crippling our own economy was a moronic move by Boris.
It all goes back to the wider picture, there was never an option to get a deal as good as the one we had as a member of the EU. It was only ever about damage limitation. No political posturing or threats to ruin our own country changed that.
I'm any case, the threat of walking away didn't work. We have a shitty deal. We're stuck with it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We needed a stronger PM who would have stuck to the October deadline and walked away. Once that had been passed he lost credibility and any advantage he may have had.
If no deal was better than a bad deal, why have we been left with the one we have?
No deal would have been catastrophic.
Threatening the EU to walk away with no deal which would have inconvenienced them and crippled the UK, was absolutely zero use to us as a bargaining chip.
I would've walked with no deal. It is the only hand any side holds in a business negotiation.
If you aren't willing to walk then you will never ever get the best deal.
The EU knew how catastrophic a no deal would be for the UK. So it being on the table put the UK in a weaker position.
Threatening to shoot ourselves in the foot by crippling our own economy was a moronic move by Boris.
It all goes back to the wider picture, there was never an option to get a deal as good as the one we had as a member of the EU. It was only ever about damage limitation. No political posturing or threats to ruin our own country changed that.
I'm any case, the threat of walking away didn't work. We have a shitty deal. We're stuck with it."
Tbh the only ‘true Brexit ‘ was a no deal, any other deal would always be crap and favour the EU , Boris failed |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We needed a stronger PM who would have stuck to the October deadline and walked away. Once that had been passed he lost credibility and any advantage he may have had.
If no deal was better than a bad deal, why have we been left with the one we have?
No deal would have been catastrophic.
Threatening the EU to walk away with no deal which would have inconvenienced them and crippled the UK, was absolutely zero use to us as a bargaining chip.
I would've walked with no deal. It is the only hand any side holds in a business negotiation.
If you aren't willing to walk then you will never ever get the best deal.
The EU knew how catastrophic a no deal would be for the UK. So it being on the table put the UK in a weaker position.
Threatening to shoot ourselves in the foot by crippling our own economy was a moronic move by Boris.
It all goes back to the wider picture, there was never an option to get a deal as good as the one we had as a member of the EU. It was only ever about damage limitation. No political posturing or threats to ruin our own country changed that.
I'm any case, the threat of walking away didn't work. We have a shitty deal. We're stuck with it.
Tbh the only ‘true Brexit ‘ was a no deal, any other deal would always be crap and favour the EU , Boris failed "
Absolutely. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We needed a stronger PM who would have stuck to the October deadline and walked away. Once that had been passed he lost credibility and any advantage he may have had.
If no deal was better than a bad deal, why have we been left with the one we have?
No deal would have been catastrophic.
Threatening the EU to walk away with no deal which would have inconvenienced them and crippled the UK, was absolutely zero use to us as a bargaining chip.
I would've walked with no deal. It is the only hand any side holds in a business negotiation.
If you aren't willing to walk then you will never ever get the best deal.
The EU knew how catastrophic a no deal would be for the UK. So it being on the table put the UK in a weaker position.
Threatening to shoot ourselves in the foot by crippling our own economy was a moronic move by Boris.
It all goes back to the wider picture, there was never an option to get a deal as good as the one we had as a member of the EU. It was only ever about damage limitation. No political posturing or threats to ruin our own country changed that.
I'm any case, the threat of walking away didn't work. We have a shitty deal. We're stuck with it."
There was an option to get a good deal.
The option was walk, it may have had issues initially (the deal has those anyway). Ill stand by the only way to win in business deals is to stand your ground. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We needed a stronger PM who would have stuck to the October deadline and walked away. Once that had been passed he lost credibility and any advantage he may have had.
If no deal was better than a bad deal, why have we been left with the one we have?
No deal would have been catastrophic.
Threatening the EU to walk away with no deal which would have inconvenienced them and crippled the UK, was absolutely zero use to us as a bargaining chip.
I would've walked with no deal. It is the only hand any side holds in a business negotiation.
If you aren't willing to walk then you will never ever get the best deal.
The EU knew how catastrophic a no deal would be for the UK. So it being on the table put the UK in a weaker position.
Threatening to shoot ourselves in the foot by crippling our own economy was a moronic move by Boris.
It all goes back to the wider picture, there was never an option to get a deal as good as the one we had as a member of the EU. It was only ever about damage limitation. No political posturing or threats to ruin our own country changed that.
I'm any case, the threat of walking away didn't work. We have a shitty deal. We're stuck with it.
There was an option to get a good deal.
The option was walk, it may have had issues initially (the deal has those anyway). Ill stand by the only way to win in business deals is to stand your ground."
Or to have some bargaining chips other than the last resort self destruct option.
What would have been a good deal? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We needed a stronger PM who would have stuck to the October deadline and walked away. Once that had been passed he lost credibility and any advantage he may have had.
If no deal was better than a bad deal, why have we been left with the one we have?
No deal would have been catastrophic.
Threatening the EU to walk away with no deal which would have inconvenienced them and crippled the UK, was absolutely zero use to us as a bargaining chip.
I would've walked with no deal. It is the only hand any side holds in a business negotiation.
If you aren't willing to walk then you will never ever get the best deal.
The EU knew how catastrophic a no deal would be for the UK. So it being on the table put the UK in a weaker position.
Threatening to shoot ourselves in the foot by crippling our own economy was a moronic move by Boris.
It all goes back to the wider picture, there was never an option to get a deal as good as the one we had as a member of the EU. It was only ever about damage limitation. No political posturing or threats to ruin our own country changed that.
I'm any case, the threat of walking away didn't work. We have a shitty deal. We're stuck with it.
There was an option to get a good deal.
The option was walk, it may have had issues initially (the deal has those anyway). Ill stand by the only way to win in business deals is to stand your ground.
Or to have some bargaining chips other than the last resort self destruct option.
What would have been a good deal? "
As you say, they were never gonna offer as good a deal as we had. Not in terms of trade.
That was obvious to everyone I hope. |
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The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We needed a stronger PM who would have stuck to the October deadline and walked away. Once that had been passed he lost credibility and any advantage he may have had.
If no deal was better than a bad deal, why have we been left with the one we have?
No deal would have been catastrophic.
Threatening the EU to walk away with no deal which would have inconvenienced them and crippled the UK, was absolutely zero use to us as a bargaining chip.
I would've walked with no deal. It is the only hand any side holds in a business negotiation.
If you aren't willing to walk then you will never ever get the best deal.
The EU knew how catastrophic a no deal would be for the UK. So it being on the table put the UK in a weaker position.
Threatening to shoot ourselves in the foot by crippling our own economy was a moronic move by Boris.
It all goes back to the wider picture, there was never an option to get a deal as good as the one we had as a member of the EU. It was only ever about damage limitation. No political posturing or threats to ruin our own country changed that.
I'm any case, the threat of walking away didn't work. We have a shitty deal. We're stuck with it.
There was an option to get a good deal.
The option was walk, it may have had issues initially (the deal has those anyway). Ill stand by the only way to win in business deals is to stand your ground."
Well we didn’t, and we are left with a crap deal, only one man is responsible for this |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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The option was walk, it may have had issues initially (the deal has those anyway). Ill stand by the only way to win in business deals is to stand your ground."
This was a nonsense argument then, and it remains a nonsense argument now. The only benefit of a threat to walk away is in a broadly symmetrical negotiation.
Threatening to walk away when your opposition has significantly greater leverage than you is more comedy than serious - and thankfully, the grown ups in the room knew that. |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
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where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
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That also explains why some Brexit voters are fixated with any current problems within the EU and are hoping it collapses, it is the only way they can justify their vote because they know we got a dog shit deal |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one "
Same place you got your rose tinted glasses |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
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Is it a fact that we will get a Norway style deal? If you can see this far into the future I'd like to hire you |
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By *oo hotCouple
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one "
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments. |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
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Is it a fact that we will get a Norway style deal? If you can see this far into the future I'd like to hire you "
what is the alternative, there are plenty of dreams and fantasies, but in the real world this is what will happen, |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
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Is it a fact that we will get a Norway style deal? If you can see this far into the future I'd like to hire you what is the alternative, there are plenty of dreams and fantasies, but in the real world this is what will happen,"
We shall see. |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
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Is it a fact that we will get a Norway style deal? If you can see this far into the future I'd like to hire you what is the alternative, there are plenty of dreams and fantasies, but in the real world this is what will happen,"
The Brexit fanatics are dreaming of the demise of the EU, they honestly think that others will follow and leave they need this scenario because deep down that is all they have |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments."
ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
Same place you got your rose tinted glasses "
when have I gave you the impression I have rose tinted glasses |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
Same place you got your rose tinted glasses when have I gave you the impression I have rose tinted glasses "
Because you seem to think that the country is benefiting from Brexit, you seem to think that because we haven’t lost 500,000 jobs that Brexit is a success, you seem to think that everything is going to be the same. I will ask you this, are you happy with the desk we have and do you think it was the best outcome? |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
Same place you got your rose tinted glasses when have I gave you the impression I have rose tinted glasses
Because you seem to think that the country is benefiting from Brexit, you seem to think that because we haven’t lost 500,000 jobs that Brexit is a success, you seem to think that everything is going to be the same. I will ask you this, are you happy with the desk we have and do you think it was the best outcome?"
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"..or so say headlines in the Telegraph.
Surely if both the UK and the EU follow what was agreed in the trade agreement and the NI protocol - there will be no issues?
It was always going to be a lose lose deal on trade however it is done now and heralded by Johnson as World class.
If both parties stick to it, why should it be a problem?"
Problems 
There is no problems, Brexit has only brought about solutions  |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
Same place you got your rose tinted glasses when have I gave you the impression I have rose tinted glasses "
The only thing I can say is eventually the remoaners will pass into the wilderness and we will move forward free from their tears xxx |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose "
Thats what we've been discussing here for the last however long. |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
Same place you got your rose tinted glasses when have I gave you the impression I have rose tinted glasses
The only thing I can say is eventually the remoaners will pass into the wilderness and we will move forward free from their tears xxx"
We’re you crying and moaning whilst we were in the EU? |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose "
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations. |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
Same place you got your rose tinted glasses when have I gave you the impression I have rose tinted glasses
The only thing I can say is eventually the remoaners will pass into the wilderness and we will move forward free from their tears xxx
We’re you crying and moaning whilst we were in the EU? "
I was ecstatic at the opportunity to leave
David Cameron is a true hero told the public vote me in I’ll give you your vote you’ve all been asking for for generations
The fact it went the opposite direction to what he thought is immaterial
We had to put up with the Eu mission creep for 40 years
40 years from now you can vote on going back in but by then we won’t need them |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations."
so why didn’t remain campaign use nonsensical statements and there was more than one red bud in London they could of used lol |
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over a year ago
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
Same place you got your rose tinted glasses when have I gave you the impression I have rose tinted glasses
The only thing I can say is eventually the remoaners will pass into the wilderness and we will move forward free from their tears xxx
We’re you crying and moaning whilst we were in the EU?
I was ecstatic at the opportunity to leave
David Cameron is a true hero told the public vote me in I’ll give you your vote you’ve all been asking for for generations
The fact it went the opposite direction to what he thought is immaterial
We had to put up with the Eu mission creep for 40 years
40 years from now you can vote on going back in but by then we won’t need them "
How was your life negatively affected whilst we were in the EU? We’re you miserable? |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
Same place you got your rose tinted glasses when have I gave you the impression I have rose tinted glasses
Because you seem to think that the country is benefiting from Brexit, you seem to think that because we haven’t lost 500,000 jobs that Brexit is a success, you seem to think that everything is going to be the same. I will ask you this, are you happy with the desk we have and do you think it was the best outcome?"
you know fine well iv always said it will take a few yrs to see any benefit and half million none job loses was a good thing iv never said a success mate |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations. so why didn’t remain campaign use nonsensical statements and there was more than one red bud in London they could of used lol"
Maybe there was more pragmatism, decency and truthfulness in the Remain campaign?
If you want to change the status quo, the temptation to exaggerate the benefits of change is obvious and then when the exaggerations and lies are pointed out what do you do?? You double down on the lies and call the questioning of them “Project Fear.” |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
Same place you got your rose tinted glasses when have I gave you the impression I have rose tinted glasses
Because you seem to think that the country is benefiting from Brexit, you seem to think that because we haven’t lost 500,000 jobs that Brexit is a success, you seem to think that everything is going to be the same. I will ask you this, are you happy with the desk we have and do you think it was the best outcome?you know fine well iv always said it will take a few yrs to see any benefit and half million none job loses was a good thing iv never said a success mate "
The 500,000 non job loses is an irrelevance, it might take a few years, it might take 20 years, it might never get better than it was. How was your life negatively affected when we were in the EU? |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations."
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade "
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from? |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from? "
The rest of the world |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world "
Who have been blocked from trading with us due to percussionist rules
Import tariffs ect |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world "
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Who have been blocked from trading with us due to percussionist rules
Import tariffs ect "
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over a year ago
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world "
This is what I mean about scratching the surface of a Brexit argument and it the whole argument just crumbles into nonsense.
Fresh food is freshest when it gets to the sop quickly and for now, most of that produce gets to the U.K. within 24 hours.
When I was at sea, it took 8 days to cross the Atlantic, up to 18 days to get to South Africa and incrementally more from Asia, the Far East and Australasia. |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly"
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Who have been blocked from trading with us due to percussionist rules
Import tariffs ect
Thailand 100% import tax
Like who? "
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs "
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs "
What produce do we buy from the EU that is produced under plastic and 24 hour light? The fact the boats and planes are already coming is irrelevant, this produce will have to be refrigerated for far longer . Which countries were we banned from trading with when we were in the EU? |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs
Jesus, Mary and Joseph and the wee donkey..."
Flowers from Columbia, |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs
What produce do we buy from the EU that is produced under plastic and 24 hour light? The fact the boats and planes are already coming is irrelevant, this produce will have to be refrigerated for far longer . Which countries were we banned from trading with when we were in the EU? "
Virtually all tomatoes peppers cucumbers ect have you flown in to any European country and seen nothing but plastic covering acres of land ?
They weren’t banned but due to external trading rules their products had import taxes to make them more expensive
Nectarines flown in from Australia cost £4 each not because of transportation cost but due to inport duty same as Thailand fantastic products but 100% inport taxes |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs
Jesus, Mary and Joseph and the wee donkey...
Flowers from Columbia, "
Massive trade with uk roses carnations altromeria
Pick packed in uk within 24 hrs |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs
Jesus, Mary and Joseph and the wee donkey...
Flowers from Columbia,
Massive trade with uk roses carnations altromeria
Pick packed in uk within 24 hrs "
Ethiopian roses too
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs
What produce do we buy from the EU that is produced under plastic and 24 hour light? The fact the boats and planes are already coming is irrelevant, this produce will have to be refrigerated for far longer . Which countries were we banned from trading with when we were in the EU?
Virtually all tomatoes peppers cucumbers ect have you flown in to any European country and seen nothing but plastic covering acres of land ?
They weren’t banned but due to external trading rules their products had import taxes to make them more expensive
Nectarines flown in from Australia cost £4 each not because of transportation cost but due to inport duty same as Thailand fantastic products but 100% inport taxes "
When you voted for Brexit, did you vote to allow foreign importers to destroy home grown businesses, or did you feel it important to protect our businesses?
With Brexit, is the U.K. now a “percussion” racket? |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs
What produce do we buy from the EU that is produced under plastic and 24 hour light? The fact the boats and planes are already coming is irrelevant, this produce will have to be refrigerated for far longer . Which countries were we banned from trading with when we were in the EU?
Virtually all tomatoes peppers cucumbers ect have you flown in to any European country and seen nothing but plastic covering acres of land ?
They weren’t banned but due to external trading rules their products had import taxes to make them more expensive
Nectarines flown in from Australia cost £4 each not because of transportation cost but due to inport duty same as Thailand fantastic products but 100% inport taxes
When you voted for Brexit, did you vote to allow foreign importers to destroy home grown businesses, or did you feel it important to protect our businesses?
With Brexit, is the U.K. now a “percussion” racket?"
Eu already destroyed British growers
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over a year ago
North West |
"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs
What produce do we buy from the EU that is produced under plastic and 24 hour light? The fact the boats and planes are already coming is irrelevant, this produce will have to be refrigerated for far longer . Which countries were we banned from trading with when we were in the EU?
Virtually all tomatoes peppers cucumbers ect have you flown in to any European country and seen nothing but plastic covering acres of land ?
They weren’t banned but due to external trading rules their products had import taxes to make them more expensive
Nectarines flown in from Australia cost £4 each not because of transportation cost but due to inport duty same as Thailand fantastic products but 100% inport taxes
When you voted for Brexit, did you vote to allow foreign importers to destroy home grown businesses, or did you feel it important to protect our businesses?
With Brexit, is the U.K. now a “percussion” racket?
Eu already destroyed British growers
Guaranteed price by Dutch government where as British farmers get market value "
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs
What produce do we buy from the EU that is produced under plastic and 24 hour light? The fact the boats and planes are already coming is irrelevant, this produce will have to be refrigerated for far longer . Which countries were we banned from trading with when we were in the EU?
Virtually all tomatoes peppers cucumbers ect have you flown in to any European country and seen nothing but plastic covering acres of land ?
They weren’t banned but due to external trading rules their products had import taxes to make them more expensive
Nectarines flown in from Australia cost £4 each not because of transportation cost but due to inport duty same as Thailand fantastic products but 100% inport taxes
When you voted for Brexit, did you vote to allow foreign importers to destroy home grown businesses, or did you feel it important to protect our businesses?
With Brexit, is the U.K. now a “percussion” racket?
Eu already destroyed British growers
Guaranteed price by Dutch government where as British farmers get market value "
I’ve been to the auctions in Holland
They call them Dutch auctions instead of bidding up the price they have a clock it starts at say £10 and falls to a set price say £5 the buyers have 1 bid they all try to get as close to £5 as possible because if it falls below £5 it’s not sold but binned the growers get £5
If they pay £5.10 the growers get £5.10
It’s a simplified description but that’s how it works |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs
What produce do we buy from the EU that is produced under plastic and 24 hour light? The fact the boats and planes are already coming is irrelevant, this produce will have to be refrigerated for far longer . Which countries were we banned from trading with when we were in the EU?
Virtually all tomatoes peppers cucumbers ect have you flown in to any European country and seen nothing but plastic covering acres of land ?
They weren’t banned but due to external trading rules their products had import taxes to make them more expensive
Nectarines flown in from Australia cost £4 each not because of transportation cost but due to inport duty same as Thailand fantastic products but 100% inport taxes
When you voted for Brexit, did you vote to allow foreign importers to destroy home grown businesses, or did you feel it important to protect our businesses?
With Brexit, is the U.K. now a “percussion” racket?
Eu already destroyed British growers
Guaranteed price by Dutch government where as British farmers get market value
I’ve been to the auctions in Holland
They call them Dutch auctions instead of bidding up the price they have a clock it starts at say £10 and falls to a set price say £5 the buyers have 1 bid they all try to get as close to £5 as possible because if it falls below £5 it’s not sold but binned the growers get £5
If they pay £5.10 the growers get £5.10
It’s a simplified description but that’s how it works "
In the uk the goods are sent to markets the growers get a return on the sale price if there is over supply the price falls lack of supply the price rises but no guaranties
Might get £10
Might get 50p
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,
Is it a fact that we will get a Norway style deal? If you can see this far into the future I'd like to hire you what is the alternative, there are plenty of dreams and fantasies, but in the real world this is what will happen,
The Brexit fanatics are dreaming of the demise of the EU, they honestly think that others will follow and leave they need this scenario because deep down that is all they have "
Unfortunately this will never happen. Those countries most likely to leave, Greece, Spain, ROI etc are those most in debt to the EU. ECB. So all the time they are, despite the rhetoric coming from Spain, Italy and earlier Greece they cannot afford to leave. Quite literally! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs
Jesus, Mary and Joseph and the wee donkey...
Flowers from Columbia,
Massive trade with uk roses carnations altromeria
Pick packed in uk within 24 hrs "
How long is the flight ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs
What produce do we buy from the EU that is produced under plastic and 24 hour light? The fact the boats and planes are already coming is irrelevant, this produce will have to be refrigerated for far longer . Which countries were we banned from trading with when we were in the EU?
Virtually all tomatoes peppers cucumbers ect have you flown in to any European country and seen nothing but plastic covering acres of land ?
They weren’t banned but due to external trading rules their products had import taxes to make them more expensive
Nectarines flown in from Australia cost £4 each not because of transportation cost but due to inport duty same as Thailand fantastic products but 100% inport taxes "
Thailand & Australia? So their products are better quality and cheaper to the consumer than the EU equivalent even though they are 4 times further away ? |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs
Jesus, Mary and Joseph and the wee donkey...
Flowers from Columbia,
Massive trade with uk roses carnations altromeria
Pick packed in uk within 24 hrs
How long is the flight ? "
16 hrs
Mange tout from Kenya
Fine beans from Ethiopia
All here in perfect condition
Wats to stop them growing peppers tomatoes cucumbers
If we say we want to buy it they’ll grow it and appreciate our custom
Bring 3rd world countries into the 21st century
Can that be a bad thing ?? |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs
What produce do we buy from the EU that is produced under plastic and 24 hour light? The fact the boats and planes are already coming is irrelevant, this produce will have to be refrigerated for far longer . Which countries were we banned from trading with when we were in the EU?
Virtually all tomatoes peppers cucumbers ect have you flown in to any European country and seen nothing but plastic covering acres of land ?
They weren’t banned but due to external trading rules their products had import taxes to make them more expensive
Nectarines flown in from Australia cost £4 each not because of transportation cost but due to inport duty same as Thailand fantastic products but 100% inport taxes
Thailand & Australia? So their products are better quality and cheaper to the consumer than the EU equivalent even though they are 4 times further away ? "
Australian produce is exceptional quality
Thailand production cost so cheap they have 100% inport tax |
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over a year ago
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs
What produce do we buy from the EU that is produced under plastic and 24 hour light? The fact the boats and planes are already coming is irrelevant, this produce will have to be refrigerated for far longer . Which countries were we banned from trading with when we were in the EU?
Virtually all tomatoes peppers cucumbers ect have you flown in to any European country and seen nothing but plastic covering acres of land ?
They weren’t banned but due to external trading rules their products had import taxes to make them more expensive
Nectarines flown in from Australia cost £4 each not because of transportation cost but due to inport duty same as Thailand fantastic products but 100% inport taxes
Thailand & Australia? So their products are better quality and cheaper to the consumer than the EU equivalent even though they are 4 times further away ?
Australian produce is exceptional quality
Thailand production cost so cheap they have 100% inport tax"
Fair enough, you obviously know far more about this than I do, I am looking forward to buying cheaper , better quality fresh produce in the future |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs
What produce do we buy from the EU that is produced under plastic and 24 hour light? The fact the boats and planes are already coming is irrelevant, this produce will have to be refrigerated for far longer . Which countries were we banned from trading with when we were in the EU?
Virtually all tomatoes peppers cucumbers ect have you flown in to any European country and seen nothing but plastic covering acres of land ?
They weren’t banned but due to external trading rules their products had import taxes to make them more expensive
Nectarines flown in from Australia cost £4 each not because of transportation cost but due to inport duty same as Thailand fantastic products but 100% inport taxes
Thailand & Australia? So their products are better quality and cheaper to the consumer than the EU equivalent even though they are 4 times further away ?
Australian produce is exceptional quality
Thailand production cost so cheap they have 100% inport tax
Fair enough, you obviously know far more about this than I do, I am looking forward to buying cheaper , better quality fresh produce in the future "
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs
What produce do we buy from the EU that is produced under plastic and 24 hour light? The fact the boats and planes are already coming is irrelevant, this produce will have to be refrigerated for far longer . Which countries were we banned from trading with when we were in the EU?
Virtually all tomatoes peppers cucumbers ect have you flown in to any European country and seen nothing but plastic covering acres of land ?
They weren’t banned but due to external trading rules their products had import taxes to make them more expensive
Nectarines flown in from Australia cost £4 each not because of transportation cost but due to inport duty same as Thailand fantastic products but 100% inport taxes
When you voted for Brexit, did you vote to allow foreign importers to destroy home grown businesses, or did you feel it important to protect our businesses?
With Brexit, is the U.K. now a “percussion” racket?
Eu already destroyed British growers
Guaranteed price by Dutch government where as British farmers get market value
I’ve been to the auctions in Holland
They call them Dutch auctions instead of bidding up the price they have a clock it starts at say £10 and falls to a set price say £5 the buyers have 1 bid they all try to get as close to £5 as possible because if it falls below £5 it’s not sold but binned the growers get £5
If they pay £5.10 the growers get £5.10
It’s a simplified description but that’s how it works "
So to be clear... The Dutch autonomously engage in their National flower business without EU intervention and similarly, U.K. businesses engage in their National flower business without EU interference and yet somehow, this is all the fault of the EU?
That is a bit of a stretch tbh |
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs
What produce do we buy from the EU that is produced under plastic and 24 hour light? The fact the boats and planes are already coming is irrelevant, this produce will have to be refrigerated for far longer . Which countries were we banned from trading with when we were in the EU?
Virtually all tomatoes peppers cucumbers ect have you flown in to any European country and seen nothing but plastic covering acres of land ?
They weren’t banned but due to external trading rules their products had import taxes to make them more expensive
Nectarines flown in from Australia cost £4 each not because of transportation cost but due to inport duty same as Thailand fantastic products but 100% inport taxes
When you voted for Brexit, did you vote to allow foreign importers to destroy home grown businesses, or did you feel it important to protect our businesses?
With Brexit, is the U.K. now a “percussion” racket?
Eu already destroyed British growers
Guaranteed price by Dutch government where as British farmers get market value
I’ve been to the auctions in Holland
They call them Dutch auctions instead of bidding up the price they have a clock it starts at say £10 and falls to a set price say £5 the buyers have 1 bid they all try to get as close to £5 as possible because if it falls below £5 it’s not sold but binned the growers get £5
If they pay £5.10 the growers get £5.10
It’s a simplified description but that’s how it works
So to be clear... The Dutch autonomously engage in their National flower business without EU intervention and similarly, U.K. businesses engage in their National flower business without EU interference and yet somehow, this is all the fault of the EU?
That is a bit of a stretch tbh"
No it’s down to the deal you have with the Eu
I put the point to a Portuguese guy who works with me and his answer was all depends on the deal you have with the Eu
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"The way Brexit will pan out is exactly as all pragmatic, realistic, detached commentators have predicted from the day after the referendum,
Britain will end up with a Norway style deal where they will accept all EU rules but will have zero imput in the framing of these rules, they will also pay handsomely for the privilege, it will take some years and a few governments before UK arrives a this situation, but arrive they will, this was always going to be the place where UK ends up, all types of childish flag weaving and wishful thinking will not alter the hard facts
,where did you buy your crystal ball from I want one
The argument is logical, it makes sense economically and therefore is easy to see as an end result. On the other hand the Brexit arguments of power and freedom are based on nothing but rhetoric and fall apart at the most cursory of arguments.ok then if it’s that logical why did remain lose
Because the Leave campaign lied to the electorate. They lied to the DUP, they lied to farmers and they lied to the fishing industry.
Nonsensical statements like “they need us, more than we need them,” and the myriad of other emotional slogans that tragically struck a chord with far too many people who should have known better.
Time will bring those lies and falsifications to the surface and people will start to naturally wonder why the sunlit uplands still seem so far away and why the EU “argument” is still being spoken about years and years after Brexit because the U.K. is entangled in never ending negotiations.
They do need us
I import fresh produce daily from Europe
Day 1 of Brexit Dutch put cost of a pallet to uk up from £100 per pallet to £200 per pallet due to new paperwork
So all uk importers or the vast majority stopped imports of Dutch products
Guess what cost gone back down to £100 per pallet
40 pallets per lorry cost £4000 100% increase equals £8000 per lorry
They geared up to supply uk with fresh produce they’ve invested millions in the industry to supply the uk if we don’t buy it the can’t stop the trees fruiting or the sell the products elsewhere
In time they may reduce their production but by then we will be buying from the rest of the world so not a problem for us but they will have lost that trade
So instead of buying fresh produce from our nearest neighbours where will we be getting it from?
The rest of the world
Can you be more specific? We are now living in a world that is trying to be environmentally friendly
Exactly so produce not produced under plastic or using 24hr lighting to raise
The goods can be brought in from the rest of the world growers using natural daylight ect
Don’t go down the road of distance because the boats are coming anyway so are the planes with travellers and cargo onboard
Flowers from Marco instead of drugs same as roses from Columbia instead of cocaine
Their government in cooperation with ours to give the growers a worthy crop of value instead of drugs
What produce do we buy from the EU that is produced under plastic and 24 hour light? The fact the boats and planes are already coming is irrelevant, this produce will have to be refrigerated for far longer . Which countries were we banned from trading with when we were in the EU?
Virtually all tomatoes peppers cucumbers ect have you flown in to any European country and seen nothing but plastic covering acres of land ?
They weren’t banned but due to external trading rules their products had import taxes to make them more expensive
Nectarines flown in from Australia cost £4 each not because of transportation cost but due to inport duty same as Thailand fantastic products but 100% inport taxes
When you voted for Brexit, did you vote to allow foreign importers to destroy home grown businesses, or did you feel it important to protect our businesses?
With Brexit, is the U.K. now a “percussion” racket?
Eu already destroyed British growers
Guaranteed price by Dutch government where as British farmers get market value
I’ve been to the auctions in Holland
They call them Dutch auctions instead of bidding up the price they have a clock it starts at say £10 and falls to a set price say £5 the buyers have 1 bid they all try to get as close to £5 as possible because if it falls below £5 it’s not sold but binned the growers get £5
If they pay £5.10 the growers get £5.10
It’s a simplified description but that’s how it works
So to be clear... The Dutch autonomously engage in their National flower business without EU intervention and similarly, U.K. businesses engage in their National flower business without EU interference and yet somehow, this is all the fault of the EU?
That is a bit of a stretch tbh
No it’s down to the deal you have with the Eu
I put the point to a Portuguese guy who works with me and his answer was all depends on the deal you have with the Eu
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Sorry. That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
What is this “deal” with the EU that you speak about? Are you suggesting that every EU country has their own bespoke “deal” with the EU that dictates the price that they can sell flowers?
That absolutely flies in the face of the concept of the Customs Union and Single Market.
I don’t believe your Portuguese friend. Until you you provide proof that the EU manipulates the market for flowers in favour of the Dutch I am erring on the side of the idea that flower selling prices are down to localised policies and the likelihood is that retail quality may somehow be mentioned somewhere in a document that is covered by EU policy.
Did you know that suggesting that a third party has told you something is about the lamest of selling tactics? It is so 1980’s lol. |
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