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"Here's a great subject to get your teeth into? Any thoughts?" Labour under Starmer are Tory-lite. Utterly pointless, devoid of ideas or desire for meaningful change. Should appeal the demographic that voted for Blair and New Labour. | |||
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"Here's a great subject to get your teeth into? Any thoughts? Labour under Starmer are Tory-lite. Utterly pointless, devoid of ideas or desire for meaningful change. Should appeal the demographic that voted for Blair and New Labour." Do you think the Blairites are still a force in the party tho? I’ve not really seen much evidence of a ‘scouring’ of the party of the Corbynistas other than the main man himself. | |||
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"Here's a great subject to get your teeth into? Any thoughts? Labour under Starmer are Tory-lite. Utterly pointless, devoid of ideas or desire for meaningful change. Should appeal the demographic that voted for Blair and New Labour. Do you think the Blairites are still a force in the party tho? I’ve not really seen much evidence of a ‘scouring’ of the party of the Corbynistas other than the main man himself. " I don't have much connection to anyone in Labour. The people I knew who where have drifted away over the last year, not renewing their memberships. They're definitely going for the centre right voter. It's a clear tactic from the general not-rocking-the-boat policies, having Starmer in front of the union jack etc. I don't know how many Blairites there are still about. But the party wants to go for the similar voter demographic. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) " You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving." Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong  | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong "Ha. Yeah, fair points all round. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round."I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up. But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work. | |||
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"I honestly think we’re about to witness maybe the collapse of the party as we know it. Anecdotal I know, but I don’t know anyone who openly supports Labour anymore. So many of my friends and family and Wolf’s are now politically homeless. And we’re both from red wall communities " Can probably say the same about the blue corner. It's going to be more voting for the least worst option than people with genuine beliefs and convictions and policies. Sadly it's all personality and populist led now rather than policy led. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work."Let’s not get stuck on solely being charismatic I just think it’s a vital component especially during this era of social media politics. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) " Clem fandangoes your man | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work."They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket. I've no idea if it will work for them or not. Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) Clem fandangoes your man" Yes I can hear you Clem Fandangooooooo | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option."You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country. They stand a good chance. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) Clem fandangoes your man" I can hear you Clem Fandango | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance."You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving." The dice is loaded against them but they have already tried the tory lite approach and its failed miserably. | |||
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"I've said it before, trouble with Keir is being a lawyer he is constantly terrified of saying anything significant or interesting. He thinks he can bring the whole country together in some weird coalescing miasma. Labour need a rabble rouser. A shouter. A moaner. An attack dog. " Not just labour. I think politics needs it. Something to get people interested and caring and motivated to exercise their democratic rights. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. The dice is loaded against them but they have already tried the tory lite approach and its failed miserably. " What do you mean by "failed"? Because Blair successfully got labour elected and kept them in power. But he failed to be a good PM. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
"I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. The dice is loaded against them but they have already tried the tory lite approach and its failed miserably. " Tony Blair didn't fail at being in power. | |||
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"I've said it before, trouble with Keir is being a lawyer he is constantly terrified of saying anything significant or interesting. He thinks he can bring the whole country together in some weird coalescing miasma. Labour need a rabble rouser. A shouter. A moaner. An attack dog. Not just labour. I think politics needs it. Something to get people interested and caring and motivated to exercise their democratic rights. " Or, we need to move away from populist politics where people vote for the person with the silliest hair, and get people actually engaged with policy. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work."Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes? Which parties policies came out on top for you? | |||
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"I've said it before, trouble with Keir is being a lawyer he is constantly terrified of saying anything significant or interesting. He thinks he can bring the whole country together in some weird coalescing miasma. Labour need a rabble rouser. A shouter. A moaner. An attack dog. Not just labour. I think politics needs it. Something to get people interested and caring and motivated to exercise their democratic rights. Or, we need to move away from populist politics where people vote for the person with the silliest hair, and get people actually engaged with policy. " Agreed. Trouble is I'm not sure the media have the appetite to engage in serious, quality debate over sensationalising personality traits. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. The dice is loaded against them but they have already tried the tory lite approach and its failed miserably. What do you mean by "failed"? Because Blair successfully got labour elected and kept them in power. But he failed to be a good PM." Blair was also backed my Murdoch Once labour moved to the centre they not only lost Scotland they also lost big chunks of the north aswell who felt left behind. Corbyn gets a lot of stick but people forgot how disastrous they were under Miliband. You could argue the reason for Brexit was because labour left behind its core voters. | |||
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"I've said it before, trouble with Keir is being a lawyer he is constantly terrified of saying anything significant or interesting. He thinks he can bring the whole country together in some weird coalescing miasma. Labour need a rabble rouser. A shouter. A moaner. An attack dog. Not just labour. I think politics needs it. Something to get people interested and caring and motivated to exercise their democratic rights. Or, we need to move away from populist politics where people vote for the person with the silliest hair, and get people actually engaged with policy. Agreed. Trouble is I'm not sure the media have the appetite to engage in serious, quality debate over sensationalising personality traits. " Couldn't agree more. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?"I have never done one of those but I'd imagine a if come back as being a mixture. Tell you what, ill go find one now and let you know  | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?"They did one of them under corbyn. His policies came out on top and when informed they were labour policies,most of the respondents replied they would never vote for corbyn. Obviously | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
I have never done one of those but I'd imagine a if come back as being a mixture.
Tell you what, ill go find one now and let you know " | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong "And Biden, Cameron, May . Up to now Starmer has been disappointing but politics has been dominated by 2 main areas , Brexit & Covid nothing else has really mattered . Hopefully he can set out the direction he wants to take the Labour Party and he has 2 years to try and get it right. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
And Biden, Cameron, May . Up to now Starmer has been disappointing but politics has been dominated by 2 main areas , Brexit & Covid nothing else has really mattered . Hopefully he can set out the direction he wants to take the Labour Party and he has 2 years to try and get it right. "He'll spend those two years digging splinters out of his arse! | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
They did one of them under corbyn.
His policies came out on top and when informed they were labour policies,most of the respondents replied they would never vote for corbyn.
Obviously "Don't you think the debate has become ever more and unhealthily polarised though.? At the end of the day most people and most politicians want "us" to be safe warm healthy happy etc... There is much common ground and yet even in these pages people are quick to throw insults... Tory cunts is often thrown out and Labours lazy fuckers... There's more that unites us than divides us and whoever is voted into power we are stronger together. I personally can't see any niche or fringe party doing anything so the battle for power is always going to be in the centre ground. Blair got that bit right. Did he not commit to continue with the tory budget and policies too? So the message was.. "we'll do their stuff... But we will do it better.. Because we can't possibly do it any worse". (memory of D Ream). It worked. For a while anyway. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
And Biden, Cameron, May . Up to now Starmer has been disappointing but politics has been dominated by 2 main areas , Brexit & Covid nothing else has really mattered . Hopefully he can set out the direction he wants to take the Labour Party and he has 2 years to try and get it right.
He'll spend those two years digging splinters out of his arse!"Not entirely, he pushed for earlier lockdowns, school closures but he was damned if he did, damned if he didn’t. He is also against a serial liar but Boris won’t be a problem soon | |||
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"Here's a great subject to get your teeth into? Any thoughts? Labour under Starmer are Tory-lite. Utterly pointless, devoid of ideas or desire for meaningful change. Should appeal the demographic that voted for Blair and New Labour." agree with you I can’t see them taking back the north without a northern leader | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
They did one of them under corbyn.
His policies came out on top and when informed they were labour policies,most of the respondents replied they would never vote for corbyn.
Obviously "All very funny but it's not as simple as that I've frequently done that sort of test, and yes many Labour and green policies come out favourite. But then intelligent voters like me look at the small number of daft policies and people (eg McDonnell unable to articulate a credible economic policy) and find they can't vote for the party. | |||
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"I've said it before, trouble with Keir is being a lawyer he is constantly terrified of saying anything significant or interesting. He thinks he can bring the whole country together in some weird coalescing miasma. Labour need a rabble rouser. A shouter. A moaner. An attack dog. " I have never agreed with anything that you have said... until now. Historically Labour were the ordinary persons Party whose role was to vociferously campaign for working class values and in that way they were heavily supported by another working mans support system - the Trade Unions. The collapse of Trade Unionism brought about the collapse of the Labour Party as we knew it and Tony Blair’s election success was all about his personality and the idea of things being far better with an inspired PM than the stale and stagnation of the then hapless Conservative Party. The “fight” that ordinary people need in their politics has become Nationalism and as long as ordinary people continue to identify with Nationalist ideology, Labour will struggle. It is a shame the the U.K. electorate is so naive and so focused on identity. We might do a lot better as a country if we focused on competence, rather than identity. Like her, or loathe her - Merkel has been a great Chancellor for Germany and she wasn’t voted in because of her personality or because of three word slogans. | |||
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"I've said it before, trouble with Keir is being a lawyer he is constantly terrified of saying anything significant or interesting. He thinks he can bring the whole country together in some weird coalescing miasma. Labour need a rabble rouser. A shouter. A moaner. An attack dog. I have never agreed with anything that you have said... until now. Historically Labour were the ordinary persons Party whose role was to vociferously campaign for working class values and in that way they were heavily supported by another working mans support system - the Trade Unions. The collapse of Trade Unionism brought about the collapse of the Labour Party as we knew it and Tony Blair’s election success was all about his personality and the idea of things being far better with an inspired PM than the stale and stagnation of the then hapless Conservative Party. The “fight” that ordinary people need in their politics has become Nationalism and as long as ordinary people continue to identify with Nationalist ideology, Labour will struggle. It is a shame the the U.K. electorate is so naive and so focused on identity. We might do a lot better as a country if we focused on competence, rather than identity. Like her, or loathe her - Merkel has been a great Chancellor for Germany and she wasn’t voted in because of her personality or because of three word slogans." | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
I have never done one of those but I'd imagine a if come back as being a mixture.
Tell you what, ill go find one now and let you know
"So... I used uk.isidewith.com My results are - Labour 75% Conservative 74% LD 74% Green 50% | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
They did one of them under corbyn.
His policies came out on top and when informed they were labour policies,most of the respondents replied they would never vote for corbyn.
Obviously
All very funny but it's not as simple as that
I've frequently done that sort of test, and yes many Labour and green policies come out favourite.
But then intelligent voters like me look at the small number of daft policies and people (eg McDonnell unable to articulate a credible economic policy) and find they can't vote for the party. "Why do you feel the need to keep telling people your ‘intelligent’ ? | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
And Biden, Cameron, May . Up to now Starmer has been disappointing but politics has been dominated by 2 main areas , Brexit & Covid nothing else has really mattered . Hopefully he can set out the direction he wants to take the Labour Party and he has 2 years to try and get it right.
He'll spend those two years digging splinters out of his arse!
Not entirely, he pushed for earlier lockdowns, school closures but he was damned if he did, damned if he didn’t. He is also against a serial liar but Boris won’t be a problem soon "Sorry , Misread your post , yes he will need to be more direct and clear with his and the parties ideas & policies , he has been far too ambitious | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour" So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
And Biden, Cameron, May . Up to now Starmer has been disappointing but politics has been dominated by 2 main areas , Brexit & Covid nothing else has really mattered . Hopefully he can set out the direction he wants to take the Labour Party and he has 2 years to try and get it right.
He'll spend those two years digging splinters out of his arse!
Not entirely, he pushed for earlier lockdowns, school closures but he was damned if he did, damned if he didn’t. He is also against a serial liar but Boris won’t be a problem soon
Sorry , Misread your post , yes he will need to be more direct and clear with his and the parties ideas & policies , he has been far too ambitious "Ambiguous  | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
They did one of them under corbyn.
His policies came out on top and when informed they were labour policies,most of the respondents replied they would never vote for corbyn.
Obviously
All very funny but it's not as simple as that
I've frequently done that sort of test, and yes many Labour and green policies come out favourite.
But then intelligent voters like me look at the small number of daft policies and people (eg McDonnell unable to articulate a credible economic policy) and find they can't vote for the party.
Why do you feel the need to keep telling people your ‘intelligent’ ? "Because you have a theory some voters are thick | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? " A million on furniture  | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
They did one of them under corbyn.
His policies came out on top and when informed they were labour policies,most of the respondents replied they would never vote for corbyn.
Obviously
All very funny but it's not as simple as that
I've frequently done that sort of test, and yes many Labour and green policies come out favourite.
But then intelligent voters like me look at the small number of daft policies and people (eg McDonnell unable to articulate a credible economic policy) and find they can't vote for the party.
Why do you feel the need to keep telling people your ‘intelligent’ ?
Because you have a theory some voters are thick "Some are ‘less educated’ than others, do you go around telling everyone how intelligent you are ? | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? A million on furniture "Tony Blair spent £285,000 over 10 years, £28,500 a year or £41,000 in today’s money | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
I have never done one of those but I'd imagine a if come back as being a mixture.
Tell you what, ill go find one now and let you know
So... I used uk.isidewith.com
My results are -
Labour 75%
Conservative 74%
LD 74%
Green 50%"I'll give the same one a go. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
They did one of them under corbyn.
His policies came out on top and when informed they were labour policies,most of the respondents replied they would never vote for corbyn.
Obviously
All very funny but it's not as simple as that
I've frequently done that sort of test, and yes many Labour and green policies come out favourite.
But then intelligent voters like me look at the small number of daft policies and people (eg McDonnell unable to articulate a credible economic policy) and find they can't vote for the party.
Why do you feel the need to keep telling people your ‘intelligent’ ?
Because you have a theory some voters are thick
Some are ‘less educated’ than others, do you go around telling everyone how intelligent you are ? "In real life I wear my erudition lightly However I find it helpful to remind fabbers of my intellectual credentials occasionally | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
They did one of them under corbyn.
His policies came out on top and when informed they were labour policies,most of the respondents replied they would never vote for corbyn.
Obviously
All very funny but it's not as simple as that
I've frequently done that sort of test, and yes many Labour and green policies come out favourite.
But then intelligent voters like me look at the small number of daft policies and people (eg McDonnell unable to articulate a credible economic policy) and find they can't vote for the party.
Why do you feel the need to keep telling people your ‘intelligent’ ?
Because you have a theory some voters are thick
Some are ‘less educated’ than others, do you go around telling everyone how intelligent you are ?
In real life I wear my erudition lightly
However I find it helpful to remind fabbers of my intellectual credentials occasionally "Right,  | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
I have never done one of those but I'd imagine a if come back as being a mixture.
Tell you what, ill go find one now and let you know
So... I used uk.isidewith.com
My results are -
Labour 75%
Conservative 74%
LD 74%
Green 50%"Green 94% Labour 91% Lib Dems 89% Tory 38% Every part of that surprised me. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
I have never done one of those but I'd imagine a if come back as being a mixture.
Tell you what, ill go find one now and let you know
So... I used uk.isidewith.com
My results are -
Labour 75%
Conservative 74%
LD 74%
Green 50%
Green 94%
Labour 91%
Lib Dems 89%
Tory 38%
Every part of that surprised me."What surprises you about it? I'm not surprised at all by my results | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
I have never done one of those but I'd imagine a if come back as being a mixture.
Tell you what, ill go find one now and let you know
So... I used uk.isidewith.com
My results are -
Labour 75%
Conservative 74%
LD 74%
Green 50%
Green 94%
Labour 91%
Lib Dems 89%
Tory 38%
Every part of that surprised me."That's my point from earlier ^^^ I bet that if you actually read the green manifesto (last one I saw was was very short, saves paper) I guarantee you will find two or three policies or aspirations that sound absolutely mad and mean you can't in good consciounce vote for them. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
I have never done one of those but I'd imagine a if come back as being a mixture.
Tell you what, ill go find one now and let you know
So... I used uk.isidewith.com
My results are -
Labour 75%
Conservative 74%
LD 74%
Green 50%
Green 94%
Labour 91%
Lib Dems 89%
Tory 38%
Every part of that surprised me.
What surprises you about it?
I'm not surprised at all by my results"I'm surprised that I came out so closely aligned to any party. They all have policies I don't like, or agree with. And I'm puzzled what made up the 38% of agreement with the Tories. It was higher than I imagined it would be. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
I have never done one of those but I'd imagine a if come back as being a mixture.
Tell you what, ill go find one now and let you know
So... I used uk.isidewith.com
My results are -
Labour 75%
Conservative 74%
LD 74%
Green 50%
Green 94%
Labour 91%
Lib Dems 89%
Tory 38%
Every part of that surprised me.
What surprises you about it?
I'm not surprised at all by my results
I'm surprised that I came out so closely aligned to any party. They all have policies I don't like, or agree with.
And I'm puzzled what made up the 38% of agreement with the Tories. It was higher than I imagined it would be."I would imagine most if not all voters have policies that they don't like, even within the party they vote for. Maybe you don't actually hate the tories as much as you think? | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
I have never done one of those but I'd imagine a if come back as being a mixture.
Tell you what, ill go find one now and let you know
So... I used uk.isidewith.com
My results are -
Labour 75%
Conservative 74%
LD 74%
Green 50%
Green 94%
Labour 91%
Lib Dems 89%
Tory 38%
Every part of that surprised me.
What surprises you about it?
I'm not surprised at all by my results
I'm surprised that I came out so closely aligned to any party. They all have policies I don't like, or agree with.
And I'm puzzled what made up the 38% of agreement with the Tories. It was higher than I imagined it would be.
I would imagine most if not all voters have policies that they don't like, even within the party they vote for.
Maybe you don't actually hate the tories as much as you think?"Ha maybe! And I don't dislike Labour, Green or Lib Dems as much as I thought either. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
I have never done one of those but I'd imagine a if come back as being a mixture.
Tell you what, ill go find one now and let you know
So... I used uk.isidewith.com
My results are -
Labour 75%
Conservative 74%
LD 74%
Green 50%
Green 94%
Labour 91%
Lib Dems 89%
Tory 38%
Every part of that surprised me.
What surprises you about it?
I'm not surprised at all by my results
I'm surprised that I came out so closely aligned to any party. They all have policies I don't like, or agree with.
And I'm puzzled what made up the 38% of agreement with the Tories. It was higher than I imagined it would be.
I would imagine most if not all voters have policies that they don't like, even within the party they vote for.
Maybe you don't actually hate the tories as much as you think?
Ha maybe! And I don't dislike Labour, Green or Lib Dems as much as I thought either."Do you think that if it were to be done again on a different day that results would change slightly? I mean, some of the questions are emotive so maybe answers would depend on any given mood on a day. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
I have never done one of those but I'd imagine a if come back as being a mixture.
Tell you what, ill go find one now and let you know
So... I used uk.isidewith.com
My results are -
Labour 75%
Conservative 74%
LD 74%
Green 50%
Green 94%
Labour 91%
Lib Dems 89%
Tory 38%
Every part of that surprised me.
What surprises you about it?
I'm not surprised at all by my results
I'm surprised that I came out so closely aligned to any party. They all have policies I don't like, or agree with.
And I'm puzzled what made up the 38% of agreement with the Tories. It was higher than I imagined it would be.
I would imagine most if not all voters have policies that they don't like, even within the party they vote for.
Maybe you don't actually hate the tories as much as you think?
Ha maybe! And I don't dislike Labour, Green or Lib Dems as much as I thought either.
Do you think that if it were to be done again on a different day that results would change slightly?
I mean, some of the questions are emotive so maybe answers would depend on any given mood on a day."Yeah of course. And the questions are too simplistic. "Should all primary school children receive free school lunches?" As an example. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
I have never done one of those but I'd imagine a if come back as being a mixture.
Tell you what, ill go find one now and let you know
So... I used uk.isidewith.com
My results are -
Labour 75%
Conservative 74%
LD 74%
Green 50%
Green 94%
Labour 91%
Lib Dems 89%
Tory 38%
Every part of that surprised me.
What surprises you about it?
I'm not surprised at all by my results
I'm surprised that I came out so closely aligned to any party. They all have policies I don't like, or agree with.
And I'm puzzled what made up the 38% of agreement with the Tories. It was higher than I imagined it would be.
I would imagine most if not all voters have policies that they don't like, even within the party they vote for.
Maybe you don't actually hate the tories as much as you think?
Ha maybe! And I don't dislike Labour, Green or Lib Dems as much as I thought either.
Do you think that if it were to be done again on a different day that results would change slightly?
I mean, some of the questions are emotive so maybe answers would depend on any given mood on a day.
Yeah of course. And the questions are too simplistic. "Should all primary school children receive free school lunches?" As an example.
"Should they?
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour" Pathetic nonsense you say? So why have the Electoral Commission just announced that there are reasonable grounds to suspect that an offence has been committed? Seems like Starmer knows his onions. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
I have never done one of those but I'd imagine a if come back as being a mixture.
Tell you what, ill go find one now and let you know
So... I used uk.isidewith.com
My results are -
Labour 75%
Conservative 74%
LD 74%
Green 50%
Green 94%
Labour 91%
Lib Dems 89%
Tory 38%
Every part of that surprised me.
What surprises you about it?
I'm not surprised at all by my results
I'm surprised that I came out so closely aligned to any party. They all have policies I don't like, or agree with.
And I'm puzzled what made up the 38% of agreement with the Tories. It was higher than I imagined it would be.
I would imagine most if not all voters have policies that they don't like, even within the party they vote for.
Maybe you don't actually hate the tories as much as you think?
Ha maybe! And I don't dislike Labour, Green or Lib Dems as much as I thought either.
Do you think that if it were to be done again on a different day that results would change slightly?
I mean, some of the questions are emotive so maybe answers would depend on any given mood on a day.
Yeah of course. And the questions are too simplistic. "Should all primary school children receive free school lunches?" As an example.
Should they?
In seriousness though, the simplistic nature of the questions are the only way it can work on those polls. In depth questions and in depth answers just wouldn't be able to be analysed properly by a program like that"There was a test I found a few years ago with the actual excerpt from each parties policy on each topic. But it took longer to get though as there was a lot more reading. Plus you could pretty easily guess some of the parties, especially in the environment and immigration sections. | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
I have never done one of those but I'd imagine a if come back as being a mixture.
Tell you what, ill go find one now and let you know
So... I used uk.isidewith.com
My results are -
Labour 75%
Conservative 74%
LD 74%
Green 50%
Green 94%
Labour 91%
Lib Dems 89%
Tory 38%
Every part of that surprised me.
What surprises you about it?
I'm not surprised at all by my results
I'm surprised that I came out so closely aligned to any party. They all have policies I don't like, or agree with.
And I'm puzzled what made up the 38% of agreement with the Tories. It was higher than I imagined it would be.
I would imagine most if not all voters have policies that they don't like, even within the party they vote for.
Maybe you don't actually hate the tories as much as you think?
Ha maybe! And I don't dislike Labour, Green or Lib Dems as much as I thought either.
Do you think that if it were to be done again on a different day that results would change slightly?
I mean, some of the questions are emotive so maybe answers would depend on any given mood on a day.
Yeah of course. And the questions are too simplistic. "Should all primary school children receive free school lunches?" As an example.
Should they?
In seriousness though, the simplistic nature of the questions are the only way it can work on those polls. In depth questions and in depth answers just wouldn't be able to be analysed properly by a program like that
There was a test I found a few years ago with the actual excerpt from each parties policy on each topic. But it took longer to get though as there was a lot more reading. Plus you could pretty easily guess some of the parties, especially in the environment and immigration sections."Who is the captain of the England cricket team.? | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
I have never done one of those but I'd imagine a if come back as being a mixture.
Tell you what, ill go find one now and let you know
So... I used uk.isidewith.com
My results are -
Labour 75%
Conservative 74%
LD 74%
Green 50%
Green 94%
Labour 91%
Lib Dems 89%
Tory 38%
Every part of that surprised me.
What surprises you about it?
I'm not surprised at all by my results
I'm surprised that I came out so closely aligned to any party. They all have policies I don't like, or agree with.
And I'm puzzled what made up the 38% of agreement with the Tories. It was higher than I imagined it would be.
I would imagine most if not all voters have policies that they don't like, even within the party they vote for.
Maybe you don't actually hate the tories as much as you think?
Ha maybe! And I don't dislike Labour, Green or Lib Dems as much as I thought either.
Do you think that if it were to be done again on a different day that results would change slightly?
I mean, some of the questions are emotive so maybe answers would depend on any given mood on a day.
Yeah of course. And the questions are too simplistic. "Should all primary school children receive free school lunches?" As an example.
Should they?
In seriousness though, the simplistic nature of the questions are the only way it can work on those polls. In depth questions and in depth answers just wouldn't be able to be analysed properly by a program like that
There was a test I found a few years ago with the actual excerpt from each parties policy on each topic. But it took longer to get though as there was a lot more reading. Plus you could pretty easily guess some of the parties, especially in the environment and immigration sections.
Who is the captain of the England cricket team.? "That depends which team you're talking about  | |||
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"Labour should have been all over the Torys this past year. They had a real chance to make ground but blew it. I can’t believe the polls. Labour are simply rubbish. Look at how many times they have been in power post war. It’s laughable. They need to find someone with charismaaaaaaaaaaa! (Toast of London reference) You think it's a lack of charisma in their leadership? The majority of the press in this country is Tory supporting or neutral. They have less funding than the Tories. They face an uphill battle, even when their policies score a lot higher on those blind policy selection tests, usually second behind the green party. I'm not saying your wrong. For me personally, the charisma of the leader is not a factor when I choose which candidate or party to vote for. Besides most of the leaders we have had in my lifetime have been utterly vile and self serving. Sadly charisma is a vital characteristic. Look at how slick Blair was. Look at Boris and his bluster. It’s all carefully coordinated. Boris isn’t stupid he can tap into the Everyman. But then you get people like John Major and Bush. So I could be wrong
Ha. Yeah, fair points all round.
I'm not that bothered about charisma. If they really do move centre-right then they have a whole load of votes they could pick up.
But, they need seem really decent policies. Sitting on the fence isn't gonna work.
They're trying to attract the centre right. They're putting all their eggs in this basket.
I've no idea if it will work for them or not.
Them being Tory-lite might win then votes, but that seems pointless. If their aim is to be slightly less shit than the Tories. Then personally, I don't find that an interesting option.
You may not find it an interesting option but there's a large portion of the left who will vote for them regardless, plus the uptake from the centre-right. I'm not sure on numbers but I'd hazard a guess at that actually being the largest demographic in this country.
They stand a good chance.
You're probably right. Just matter of Labour being appealing enough to those voters. Which in my eyes means being bland, safe, no-real-difference, not rocking the boat, slightly less crap etc.
I can only speak for myself but if they have decent policies then I'll consider them. I don't care much if they're bland and safe, I want policies that work.
Have you ever taken one of those blind policy quizzes?
Which parties policies came out on top for you?
I have never done one of those but I'd imagine a if come back as being a mixture.
Tell you what, ill go find one now and let you know
So... I used uk.isidewith.com
My results are -
Labour 75%
Conservative 74%
LD 74%
Green 50%
Green 94%
Labour 91%
Lib Dems 89%
Tory 38%
Every part of that surprised me.
What surprises you about it?
I'm not surprised at all by my results
I'm surprised that I came out so closely aligned to any party. They all have policies I don't like, or agree with.
And I'm puzzled what made up the 38% of agreement with the Tories. It was higher than I imagined it would be.
I would imagine most if not all voters have policies that they don't like, even within the party they vote for.
Maybe you don't actually hate the tories as much as you think?
Ha maybe! And I don't dislike Labour, Green or Lib Dems as much as I thought either.
Do you think that if it were to be done again on a different day that results would change slightly?
I mean, some of the questions are emotive so maybe answers would depend on any given mood on a day.
Yeah of course. And the questions are too simplistic. "Should all primary school children receive free school lunches?" As an example.
Should they?
In seriousness though, the simplistic nature of the questions are the only way it can work on those polls. In depth questions and in depth answers just wouldn't be able to be analysed properly by a program like that
There was a test I found a few years ago with the actual excerpt from each parties policy on each topic. But it took longer to get though as there was a lot more reading. Plus you could pretty easily guess some of the parties, especially in the environment and immigration sections.
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"it will be interesting to see results of elections in May. The polls have not been good for labour Starmer has failed to inspire anyone & has spent too much time fighting his own party & has not held the Conservatives' to account or come up with anything real in the way of policies. " I fear it will be a bad night for labour, all these sleaze allegations have come to late although it depends on what Cummings says next | |||
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"it will be interesting to see results of elections in May. The polls have not been good for labour Starmer has failed to inspire anyone & has spent too much time fighting his own party & has not held the Conservatives' to account or come up with anything real in the way of policies. I fear it will be a bad night for labour, all these sleaze allegations have come to late although it depends on what Cummings says next " I think BJ is so sleazy to start with any further allegations dont shock anybody anymore | |||
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"it will be interesting to see results of elections in May. The polls have not been good for labour Starmer has failed to inspire anyone & has spent too much time fighting his own party & has not held the Conservatives' to account or come up with anything real in the way of policies. I fear it will be a bad night for labour, all these sleaze allegations have come to late although it depends on what Cummings says next I think BJ is so sleazy to start with any further allegations dont shock anybody anymore " That’s true, most people don’t seem to care, it might be different if he is forced to resign though. | |||
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"it will be interesting to see results of elections in May. The polls have not been good for labour Starmer has failed to inspire anyone & has spent too much time fighting his own party & has not held the Conservatives' to account or come up with anything real in the way of policies. I fear it will be a bad night for labour, all these sleaze allegations have come to late although it depends on what Cummings says next I think BJ is so sleazy to start with any further allegations dont shock anybody anymore " At some point it will have an impact. Every Tory paper turned on him yday. | |||
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"it will be interesting to see results of elections in May. The polls have not been good for labour Starmer has failed to inspire anyone & has spent too much time fighting his own party & has not held the Conservatives' to account or come up with anything real in the way of policies. I fear it will be a bad night for labour, all these sleaze allegations have come to late although it depends on what Cummings says next I think BJ is so sleazy to start with any further allegations dont shock anybody anymore That’s true, most people don’t seem to care, it might be different if he is forced to resign though. " I think it's very hard to sort the media shite stories that deserve to be ignored from the genuine media stories that merit the time of day. If "sleaze" is as endemic as some would suggest makes you wonder about the anti sleaze measures that were put in place post Neil Hamilton. If there is sleaze on the scale suggested, then there needs to be process changes quickly to prevent it happening again. With redress for prior acts. The trouble is all politicians have been tarred with the same brush and we need a way to find the better ones from the rest. Todays shop window onto our politicians is not easy to distinguish. If they truly are our representatives, taken from our people, doesn't say much for our values. | |||
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"People may agree with labour policies the issue isnt the policy it's the cost of that policy and who has to pay. Every country needs a strong opposition that offers realistic alternatives, we dont have that in the UK. Too much policy is pandering to minor opinionated groups, that are blinded to the reality and consequences of their ideas, we then have the politicians themselves, far too few have any experience outside of politics, far too many come via oxbridge, it's a bloody mess, I have said it before the media have to take responsibility for a lot of it, 24 hr news creation not reporting" | |||
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"People buy the Murdoch press and believe its demonisation of Labour and trades unions etc.....All targets of the arse that is Rupert Murdoch a man who will not be missed when his time comes. As our quality of life spirals , foodbanks, beggers, zero hour contracts directors pay being boosted by bonuses in the millions in some cases .All while subcontracting the cleaners and lower end jobs to the lowest bidder ensuring a further cut in take home pay for honest working people. It is going the way of the basket case that is the USA and with it civil unrest is sure to follow." | |||
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"it will be interesting to see results of elections in May. The polls have not been good for labour Starmer has failed to inspire anyone & has spent too much time fighting his own party & has not held the Conservatives' to account or come up with anything real in the way of policies. I fear it will be a bad night for labour, all these sleaze allegations have come to late although it depends on what Cummings says next I think BJ is so sleazy to start with any further allegations dont shock anybody anymore That’s true, most people don’t seem to care, it might be different if he is forced to resign though. I think it's very hard to sort the media shite stories that deserve to be ignored from the genuine media stories that merit the time of day. If "sleaze" is as endemic as some would suggest makes you wonder about the anti sleaze measures that were put in place post Neil Hamilton. If there is sleaze on the scale suggested, then there needs to be process changes quickly to prevent it happening again. With redress for prior acts. The trouble is all politicians have been tarred with the same brush and we need a way to find the better ones from the rest. Todays shop window onto our politicians is not easy to distinguish. If they truly are our representatives, taken from our people, doesn't say much for our values. " We have a habitual liar as PM, everything trickles down from to top | |||
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"People buy the Murdoch press and believe its demonisation of Labour and trades unions etc.....All targets of the arse that is Rupert Murdoch a man who will not be missed when his time comes. As our quality of life spirals , foodbanks, beggers, zero hour contracts directors pay being boosted by bonuses in the millions in some cases .All while subcontracting the cleaners and lower end jobs to the lowest bidder ensuring a further cut in take home pay for honest working people. It is going the way of the basket case that is the USA and with it civil unrest is sure to follow." Agree with that. But what do you think is causing the spiral downwards and what can be done to arrest and then improve it? So we are better represented, by more capable and qualified representatives, elected through a fair and democratic process, for the betterment of our society.? | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? " No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man" how many ordinary people find spending in excess of 30k on decorating normal? thats more than I earn in a year | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man" Most ‘normal ‘ people don’t spend nearly £200,000 to do up a flat, and then can’t remember where the money came from . | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man" People in public office should adhere to rules no matter how small or relevant you gauge them to be because if we let them slip the smaller rules it only encourages a snowball effect for bigger transgressions. | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man People in public office should adhere to rules no matter how small or relevant you gauge them to be because if we let them slip the smaller rules it only encourages a snowball effect for bigger transgressions. " Exactly, otherwise it becomes ‘one rule for them and one rule for us ‘ | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man People in public office should adhere to rules no matter how small or relevant you gauge them to be because if we let them slip the smaller rules it only encourages a snowball effect for bigger transgressions. " Is it only people in public office that "if we let them slip the smaller rules it only encourages a snowball effect for bigger transgressions."? Are they made of different genetic material to the rest of us..? Surely if you insist on that rule for those in public office then it should be applied to the general population too? | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man People in public office should adhere to rules no matter how small or relevant you gauge them to be because if we let them slip the smaller rules it only encourages a snowball effect for bigger transgressions. Is it only people in public office that "if we let them slip the smaller rules it only encourages a snowball effect for bigger transgressions."? Are they made of different genetic material to the rest of us..? Surely if you insist on that rule for those in public office then it should be applied to the general population too? " Never gonna happen Bunch of dreamers ITT | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man Most ‘normal ‘ people don’t spend nearly £200,000 to do up a flat, and then can’t remember where the money came from . " You're obsessed with this £200,000. You've already said once it was rounded up. But you've not said from what. | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man Most ‘normal ‘ people don’t spend nearly £200,000 to do up a flat, and then can’t remember where the money came from . You're obsessed with this £200,000. You've already said once it was rounded up. But you've not said from what. " I have no idea, do you have a more accurate figure that I can use? I did say ‘nearly ‘ £200,000 | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man People in public office should adhere to rules no matter how small or relevant you gauge them to be because if we let them slip the smaller rules it only encourages a snowball effect for bigger transgressions. Is it only people in public office that "if we let them slip the smaller rules it only encourages a snowball effect for bigger transgressions."? Are they made of different genetic material to the rest of us..? Surely if you insist on that rule for those in public office then it should be applied to the general population too? Never gonna happen Bunch of dreamers ITT" If he has been found to have broken the rules he is finished, simple | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man Most ‘normal ‘ people don’t spend nearly £200,000 to do up a flat, and then can’t remember where the money came from . You're obsessed with this £200,000. You've already said once it was rounded up. But you've not said from what. I have no idea, do you have a more accurate figure that I can use? I did say ‘nearly ‘ £200,000" I don't know. It doesn't interest me the way it seems to you. 'Nearly' could mean anything. | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man People in public office should adhere to rules no matter how small or relevant you gauge them to be because if we let them slip the smaller rules it only encourages a snowball effect for bigger transgressions. Is it only people in public office that "if we let them slip the smaller rules it only encourages a snowball effect for bigger transgressions."? Are they made of different genetic material to the rest of us..? Surely if you insist on that rule for those in public office then it should be applied to the general population too? " It is applied to the general population , | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man Most ‘normal ‘ people don’t spend nearly £200,000 to do up a flat, and then can’t remember where the money came from . You're obsessed with this £200,000. You've already said once it was rounded up. But you've not said from what. I have no idea, do you have a more accurate figure that I can use? I did say ‘nearly ‘ £200,000 I don't know. It doesn't interest me the way it seems to you. 'Nearly' could mean anything." Ok, as you don’t know , I will continue using the figure quoted in several areas of the press, once you get the true figure I will use that, is that ok with you? | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man Most ‘normal ‘ people don’t spend nearly £200,000 to do up a flat, and then can’t remember where the money came from . You're obsessed with this £200,000. You've already said once it was rounded up. But you've not said from what. I have no idea, do you have a more accurate figure that I can use? I did say ‘nearly ‘ £200,000 I don't know. It doesn't interest me the way it seems to you. 'Nearly' could mean anything. Ok, as you don’t know , I will continue using the figure quoted in several areas of the press, once you get the true figure I will use that, is that ok with you? " I've already said it doesn't interest me, so why would I bother looking for something so you can be accurate? Do your own research. | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man Most ‘normal ‘ people don’t spend nearly £200,000 to do up a flat, and then can’t remember where the money came from . You're obsessed with this £200,000. You've already said once it was rounded up. But you've not said from what. I have no idea, do you have a more accurate figure that I can use? I did say ‘nearly ‘ £200,000 I don't know. It doesn't interest me the way it seems to you. 'Nearly' could mean anything. Ok, as you don’t know , I will continue using the figure quoted in several areas of the press, once you get the true figure I will use that, is that ok with you? I've already said it doesn't interest me, so why would I bother looking for something so you can be accurate? Do your own research." I think it’s better if you don’t reply to my posts, you seem to be after an argument, I have blocked you so I would appreciate it if you stopped, thanks | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man Most ‘normal ‘ people don’t spend nearly £200,000 to do up a flat, and then can’t remember where the money came from . You're obsessed with this £200,000. You've already said once it was rounded up. But you've not said from what. I have no idea, do you have a more accurate figure that I can use? I did say ‘nearly ‘ £200,000 I don't know. It doesn't interest me the way it seems to you. 'Nearly' could mean anything. Ok, as you don’t know , I will continue using the figure quoted in several areas of the press, once you get the true figure I will use that, is that ok with you? I've already said it doesn't interest me, so why would I bother looking for something so you can be accurate? Do your own research. I think it’s better if you don’t reply to my posts, you seem to be after an argument, I have blocked you so I would appreciate it if you stopped, thanks "I thought you'd already blocked me? Here's hoping! | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man Most ‘normal ‘ people don’t spend nearly £200,000 to do up a flat, and then can’t remember where the money came from . You're obsessed with this £200,000. You've already said once it was rounded up. But you've not said from what. I have no idea, do you have a more accurate figure that I can use? I did say ‘nearly ‘ £200,000 I don't know. It doesn't interest me the way it seems to you. 'Nearly' could mean anything. Ok, as you don’t know , I will continue using the figure quoted in several areas of the press, once you get the true figure I will use that, is that ok with you? " Why don't you use the word "speculated" as the press reports you refer to all use?, they all say "speculated to be as much as 200k", that way its factual as can be and doesn't look like you are making figures up. | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man Most ‘normal ‘ people don’t spend nearly £200,000 to do up a flat, and then can’t remember where the money came from . You're obsessed with this £200,000. You've already said once it was rounded up. But you've not said from what. I have no idea, do you have a more accurate figure that I can use? I did say ‘nearly ‘ £200,000 I don't know. It doesn't interest me the way it seems to you. 'Nearly' could mean anything. Ok, as you don’t know , I will continue using the figure quoted in several areas of the press, once you get the true figure I will use that, is that ok with you? Why don't you use the word "speculated" as the press reports you refer to all use?, they all say "speculated to be as much as 200k", that way its factual as can be and doesn't look like you are making figures up." Good idea, I will do that | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? " I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. " Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? " The difference is that the cost of the re decoration is totally immaterial and is not something that he personally can keep. Any senior executive should hav e their office decorated in a manner that makes them feel comfortable. We want to obtain maximum value from them. Few people are more important than a pm leading the county during a time of crisis. The NHS payroll is already massive and any pay increase to NHS staff has to be funded by the taxpayer. Even small pay increases amount to massive sums of public money . | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? The difference is that the cost of the re decoration is totally immaterial and is not something that he personally can keep. Any senior executive should hav e their office decorated in a manner that makes them feel comfortable. We want to obtain maximum value from them. Few people are more important than a pm leading the county during a time of crisis. The NHS payroll is already massive and any pay increase to NHS staff has to be funded by the taxpayer. Even small pay increases amount to massive sums of public money ." Hello there, if Boris hasn’t declared where he the initial payments came from he is in breach of the ministerial code and will have to resign immediately, those are the rules pat, have a read | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? The difference is that the cost of the re decoration is totally immaterial and is not something that he personally can keep. Any senior executive should hav e their office decorated in a manner that makes them feel comfortable. We want to obtain maximum value from them. Few people are more important than a pm leading the county during a time of crisis. The NHS payroll is already massive and any pay increase to NHS staff has to be funded by the taxpayer. Even small pay increases amount to massive sums of public money ." £200 000 Divided by 500,000 employees = 0.04p each | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm " Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? The difference is that the cost of the re decoration is totally immaterial and is not something that he personally can keep. Any senior executive should hav e their office decorated in a manner that makes them feel comfortable. We want to obtain maximum value from them. Few people are more important than a pm leading the county during a time of crisis. The NHS payroll is already massive and any pay increase to NHS staff has to be funded by the taxpayer. Even small pay increases amount to massive sums of public money . Hello there, if Boris hasn’t declared where he the initial payments came from he is in breach of the ministerial code and will have to resign immediately, those are the rules pat, have a read " Ok how about joe Anderson mayor of Liverpool Sleaze or what Labour mayor?? | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat." So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? The difference is that the cost of the re decoration is totally immaterial and is not something that he personally can keep. Any senior executive should hav e their office decorated in a manner that makes them feel comfortable. We want to obtain maximum value from them. Few people are more important than a pm leading the county during a time of crisis. The NHS payroll is already massive and any pay increase to NHS staff has to be funded by the taxpayer. Even small pay increases amount to massive sums of public money . Hello there, if Boris hasn’t declared where he the initial payments came from he is in breach of the ministerial code and will have to resign immediately, those are the rules pat, have a read Ok how about joe Anderson mayor of Liverpool Sleaze or what Labour mayor??" Who cares about him, I hope he goes to jail . | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man People in public office should adhere to rules no matter how small or relevant you gauge them to be because if we let them slip the smaller rules it only encourages a snowball effect for bigger transgressions. Is it only people in public office that "if we let them slip the smaller rules it only encourages a snowball effect for bigger transgressions."? Are they made of different genetic material to the rest of us..? Surely if you insist on that rule for those in public office then it should be applied to the general population too? Never gonna happen Bunch of dreamers ITT If he has been found to have broken the rules he is finished, simple " Will make no difference as the fact is most people think it is a nothing story.At the end of the day Boris paid for it and the rest is irrevilent | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !!" Who are these people wo can’t feed their kids, who smoke, drink and have a dog? | |||
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"Starmer was doing ok in my book but this pathetic nonesense harping on about who payed to redecorate the flat instead of putting forward policies etc is pathetic. I believe that a Mr Tony Blair(labour)spent 1,000,000 on the flat and used tax payers money typical labour So you think Starmer should ignore all this Tory sleaze? Just pretend it’s not happening? No but it as it is very petty not a big issue there are bigger issues of much greater importance Covid,EU problems,international relations with many countrie,education,defence need I go on. Most people have a lot more important problems in there lives,if you do not your a very lucky man People in public office should adhere to rules no matter how small or relevant you gauge them to be because if we let them slip the smaller rules it only encourages a snowball effect for bigger transgressions. Is it only people in public office that "if we let them slip the smaller rules it only encourages a snowball effect for bigger transgressions."? Are they made of different genetic material to the rest of us..? Surely if you insist on that rule for those in public office then it should be applied to the general population too? Never gonna happen Bunch of dreamers ITT If he has been found to have broken the rules he is finished, simple Will make no difference as the fact is most people think it is a nothing story.At the end of the day Boris paid for it and the rest is irrevilent" Who cares what Boris says, he is a habitual liar, there will be an enquiry, if has lied, bye bye Boris | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !!" Welcome to Tory Britain. | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? The difference is that the cost of the re decoration is totally immaterial and is not something that he personally can keep. Any senior executive should hav e their office decorated in a manner that makes them feel comfortable. We want to obtain maximum value from them. Few people are more important than a pm leading the county during a time of crisis. The NHS payroll is already massive and any pay increase to NHS staff has to be funded by the taxpayer. Even small pay increases amount to massive sums of public money . Hello there, if Boris hasn’t declared where he the initial payments came from he is in breach of the ministerial code and will have to resign immediately, those are the rules pat, have a read Ok how about joe Anderson mayor of Liverpool Sleaze or what Labour mayor?? Who cares about him, I hope he goes to jail . " Easily dismissed But nothing proven Same as bojo | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? The difference is that the cost of the re decoration is totally immaterial and is not something that he personally can keep. Any senior executive should hav e their office decorated in a manner that makes them feel comfortable. We want to obtain maximum value from them. Few people are more important than a pm leading the county during a time of crisis. The NHS payroll is already massive and any pay increase to NHS staff has to be funded by the taxpayer. Even small pay increases amount to massive sums of public money . Hello there, if Boris hasn’t declared where he the initial payments came from he is in breach of the ministerial code and will have to resign immediately, those are the rules pat, have a read Ok how about joe Anderson mayor of Liverpool Sleaze or what Labour mayor?? Who cares about him, I hope he goes to jail . " I voted for Joe Anderson and very sad about his actions he was a good Mayor overall. However compared to him Boris is an angel Anderson has commited serious crime if guilty.If inocent should be mayor again | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. " So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? The difference is that the cost of the re decoration is totally immaterial and is not something that he personally can keep. Any senior executive should hav e their office decorated in a manner that makes them feel comfortable. We want to obtain maximum value from them. Few people are more important than a pm leading the county during a time of crisis. The NHS payroll is already massive and any pay increase to NHS staff has to be funded by the taxpayer. Even small pay increases amount to massive sums of public money . Hello there, if Boris hasn’t declared where he the initial payments came from he is in breach of the ministerial code and will have to resign immediately, those are the rules pat, have a read Ok how about joe Anderson mayor of Liverpool Sleaze or what Labour mayor?? Who cares about him, I hope he goes to jail . I voted for Joe Anderson and very sad about his actions he was a good Mayor overall. However compared to him Boris is an angel Anderson has commited serious crime if guilty.If inocent should be mayor again" Exactly innocent until PROVEN guilty | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? The difference is that the cost of the re decoration is totally immaterial and is not something that he personally can keep. Any senior executive should hav e their office decorated in a manner that makes them feel comfortable. We want to obtain maximum value from them. Few people are more important than a pm leading the county during a time of crisis. The NHS payroll is already massive and any pay increase to NHS staff has to be funded by the taxpayer. Even small pay increases amount to massive sums of public money . Hello there, if Boris hasn’t declared where he the initial payments came from he is in breach of the ministerial code and will have to resign immediately, those are the rules pat, have a read Ok how about joe Anderson mayor of Liverpool Sleaze or what Labour mayor?? Who cares about him, I hope he goes to jail . Easily dismissed But nothing proven Same as bojo " Hence the investigation | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? The difference is that the cost of the re decoration is totally immaterial and is not something that he personally can keep. Any senior executive should hav e their office decorated in a manner that makes them feel comfortable. We want to obtain maximum value from them. Few people are more important than a pm leading the county during a time of crisis. The NHS payroll is already massive and any pay increase to NHS staff has to be funded by the taxpayer. Even small pay increases amount to massive sums of public money . Hello there, if Boris hasn’t declared where he the initial payments came from he is in breach of the ministerial code and will have to resign immediately, those are the rules pat, have a read Ok how about joe Anderson mayor of Liverpool Sleaze or what Labour mayor?? Who cares about him, I hope he goes to jail . I voted for Joe Anderson and very sad about his actions he was a good Mayor overall. However compared to him Boris is an angel Anderson has commited serious crime if guilty.If inocent should be mayor again Exactly innocent until PROVEN guilty " Exactly, he is toast | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? The difference is that the cost of the re decoration is totally immaterial and is not something that he personally can keep. Any senior executive should hav e their office decorated in a manner that makes them feel comfortable. We want to obtain maximum value from them. Few people are more important than a pm leading the county during a time of crisis. The NHS payroll is already massive and any pay increase to NHS staff has to be funded by the taxpayer. Even small pay increases amount to massive sums of public money . Hello there, if Boris hasn’t declared where he the initial payments came from he is in breach of the ministerial code and will have to resign immediately, those are the rules pat, have a read Ok how about joe Anderson mayor of Liverpool Sleaze or what Labour mayor?? Who cares about him, I hope he goes to jail . I voted for Joe Anderson and very sad about his actions he was a good Mayor overall. However compared to him Boris is an angel Anderson has commited serious crime if guilty.If inocent should be mayor again Exactly innocent until PROVEN guilty Exactly, he is toast "Something most people like xx | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong?" Yeah you are doing something wrong, it’s called making things up to suit your agenda, | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong?" Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". " Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it !" I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing . | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing . "You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy “ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “ I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!! | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!! "Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax, | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax, "You can’t report them Believe me if I could I would | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would "Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life? | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would "I’m glad your happy to go to work pay your taxes so Fred can stay at home buy his fags feed his dog watch his sky get free school meals reduced council tax subsidised rent to be fair he’d need to earn £1000.0 a week at least to be equal so can’t blame him ! | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life? "I’m extremely happy I’m my own boss Nice family friends Own home dog Don’t owe anyone anything Couldn’t be better give 12 people a good living look after them like my own they look after me live s good !! | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life?
I’m extremely happy I’m my own boss
Nice family friends
Own home dog
Don’t owe anyone anything
Couldn’t be better give 12 people a good living look after them like my own they look after me live s good !!"So why are you bothered about people on benefits, enjoy what you have , instead of resenting people less fortunate than yourself | |||
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"I was hoping for more from starmer by now but maybe due to the world situation its not all his fault. I would like to hear more of what he stands for. However with the latest problems facing Boris the May elections should be good for Labour. Ironically its Cummings that's doing more damage to the government than Labour and suspect more to come. " I agree, I think the ‘sleaze’ stories have come a bit too late though and labour will be in for a tough night | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
I’m glad your happy to go to work pay your taxes so Fred can stay at home buy his fags feed his dog watch his sky get free school meals reduced council tax subsidised rent to be fair he’d need to earn £1000.0 a week at least to be equal so can’t blame him !"Who is Fred? | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life?
I’m extremely happy I’m my own boss
Nice family friends
Own home dog
Don’t owe anyone anything
Couldn’t be better give 12 people a good living look after them like my own they look after me live s good !!"Then why so much hate and confusion about people less well off than yourself? | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life?
I’m extremely happy I’m my own boss
Nice family friends
Own home dog
Don’t owe anyone anything
Couldn’t be better give 12 people a good living look after them like my own they look after me live s good !!
Then why so much hate and confusion about people less well off than yourself?"Not hate or confusion truth I’ve had them on my door step this past three weeks Oh woooh is me no work 3 kids I have at weekends Applied for jobs I had advertised Ok says me start Monday 3 days work Oh fuck that don’t turn up back on be benifits That’s facts Some might be sorry cases but to be honest there’s work for them that want it like I say people afraid to say it in this day n age | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life?
I’m extremely happy I’m my own boss
Nice family friends
Own home dog
Don’t owe anyone anything
Couldn’t be better give 12 people a good living look after them like my own they look after me live s good !!
Then why so much hate and confusion about people less well off than yourself?
Not hate or confusion truth
I’ve had them on my door step this past three weeks
Oh woooh is me no work 3 kids I have at weekends
Applied for jobs I had advertised
Ok says me start Monday
3 days work
Oh fuck that don’t turn up back on be benifits
That’s facts
Some might be sorry cases but to be honest there’s work for them that want it like I say people afraid to say it in this day n age "So your answer to "why so much hate and confusion towards people less well off than you", is more hateful and confusing rhetoric. No further questions. | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life?
I’m extremely happy I’m my own boss
Nice family friends
Own home dog
Don’t owe anyone anything
Couldn’t be better give 12 people a good living look after them like my own they look after me live s good !!
Then why so much hate and confusion about people less well off than yourself?
Not hate or confusion truth
I’ve had them on my door step this past three weeks
Oh woooh is me no work 3 kids I have at weekends
Applied for jobs I had advertised
Ok says me start Monday
3 days work
Oh fuck that don’t turn up back on be benifits
That’s facts
Some might be sorry cases but to be honest there’s work for them that want it like I say people afraid to say it in this day n age
So your answer to "why so much hate and confusion towards people less well off than you", is more hateful and confusing rhetoric.
No further questions."So you can’t answer the truth ? | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life?
I’m extremely happy I’m my own boss
Nice family friends
Own home dog
Don’t owe anyone anything
Couldn’t be better give 12 people a good living look after them like my own they look after me live s good !!
Then why so much hate and confusion about people less well off than yourself?
Not hate or confusion truth
I’ve had them on my door step this past three weeks
Oh woooh is me no work 3 kids I have at weekends
Applied for jobs I had advertised
Ok says me start Monday
3 days work
Oh fuck that don’t turn up back on be benifits
That’s facts
Some might be sorry cases but to be honest there’s work for them that want it like I say people afraid to say it in this day n age "Afraid to say what? Maybe the jobs you are offering are crap and poorly paid ? How many people have done this ? | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life?
I’m extremely happy I’m my own boss
Nice family friends
Own home dog
Don’t owe anyone anything
Couldn’t be better give 12 people a good living look after them like my own they look after me live s good !!
Then why so much hate and confusion about people less well off than yourself?
Not hate or confusion truth
I’ve had them on my door step this past three weeks
Oh woooh is me no work 3 kids I have at weekends
Applied for jobs I had advertised
Ok says me start Monday
3 days work
Oh fuck that don’t turn up back on be benifits
That’s facts
Some might be sorry cases but to be honest there’s work for them that want it like I say people afraid to say it in this day n age
Afraid to say what? Maybe the jobs you are offering are crap and poorly paid ? How many people have done this ? "I’ve had 2 in last 3 weeks So poorly paid ??? Stop “benefits “ see how poorly paid they are then But your happy to pay Fred to stay at home so probably won’t win this one | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life?
I’m extremely happy I’m my own boss
Nice family friends
Own home dog
Don’t owe anyone anything
Couldn’t be better give 12 people a good living look after them like my own they look after me live s good !!
Then why so much hate and confusion about people less well off than yourself?
Not hate or confusion truth
I’ve had them on my door step this past three weeks
Oh woooh is me no work 3 kids I have at weekends
Applied for jobs I had advertised
Ok says me start Monday
3 days work
Oh fuck that don’t turn up back on be benifits
That’s facts
Some might be sorry cases but to be honest there’s work for them that want it like I say people afraid to say it in this day n age
Afraid to say what? Maybe the jobs you are offering are crap and poorly paid ? How many people have done this ?
I’ve had 2 in last 3 weeks
So poorly paid ???
Stop “benefits “ see how poorly paid they are then
But your happy to pay Fred to stay at home so probably won’t win this one "Ps 25,000 to 30,000 per year depending on what hrs you do There again that’s not 50,000 equal to what you need to earn to come off benefits | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life?
I’m extremely happy I’m my own boss
Nice family friends
Own home dog
Don’t owe anyone anything
Couldn’t be better give 12 people a good living look after them like my own they look after me live s good !!
Then why so much hate and confusion about people less well off than yourself?
Not hate or confusion truth
I’ve had them on my door step this past three weeks
Oh woooh is me no work 3 kids I have at weekends
Applied for jobs I had advertised
Ok says me start Monday
3 days work
Oh fuck that don’t turn up back on be benifits
That’s facts
Some might be sorry cases but to be honest there’s work for them that want it like I say people afraid to say it in this day n age
Afraid to say what? Maybe the jobs you are offering are crap and poorly paid ? How many people have done this ?
I’ve had 2 in last 3 weeks
So poorly paid ???
Stop “benefits “ see how poorly paid they are then
But your happy to pay Fred to stay at home so probably won’t win this one
Ps
25,000 to 30,000 per year depending on what hrs you do
There again that’s not 50,000 equal to what you need to earn to come off benefits "I don’t believe you , | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life?
I’m extremely happy I’m my own boss
Nice family friends
Own home dog
Don’t owe anyone anything
Couldn’t be better give 12 people a good living look after them like my own they look after me live s good !!
Then why so much hate and confusion about people less well off than yourself?
Not hate or confusion truth
I’ve had them on my door step this past three weeks
Oh woooh is me no work 3 kids I have at weekends
Applied for jobs I had advertised
Ok says me start Monday
3 days work
Oh fuck that don’t turn up back on be benifits
That’s facts
Some might be sorry cases but to be honest there’s work for them that want it like I say people afraid to say it in this day n age
Afraid to say what? Maybe the jobs you are offering are crap and poorly paid ? How many people have done this ?
I’ve had 2 in last 3 weeks
So poorly paid ???
Stop “benefits “ see how poorly paid they are then
But your happy to pay Fred to stay at home so probably won’t win this one "Who is Fred | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life?
I’m extremely happy I’m my own boss
Nice family friends
Own home dog
Don’t owe anyone anything
Couldn’t be better give 12 people a good living look after them like my own they look after me live s good !!
Then why so much hate and confusion about people less well off than yourself?
Not hate or confusion truth
I’ve had them on my door step this past three weeks
Oh woooh is me no work 3 kids I have at weekends
Applied for jobs I had advertised
Ok says me start Monday
3 days work
Oh fuck that don’t turn up back on be benifits
That’s facts
Some might be sorry cases but to be honest there’s work for them that want it like I say people afraid to say it in this day n age
Afraid to say what? Maybe the jobs you are offering are crap and poorly paid ? How many people have done this ?
I’ve had 2 in last 3 weeks
So poorly paid ???
Stop “benefits “ see how poorly paid they are then
But your happy to pay Fred to stay at home so probably won’t win this one
Ps
25,000 to 30,000 per year depending on what hrs you do
There again that’s not 50,000 equal to what you need to earn to come off benefits
You don’t believe what ?
If you’ve followed the thread Fred is the person unknown claiming benefits ect
Read back through
I don’t believe you , " | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life?
I’m extremely happy I’m my own boss
Nice family friends
Own home dog
Don’t owe anyone anything
Couldn’t be better give 12 people a good living look after them like my own they look after me live s good !!
Then why so much hate and confusion about people less well off than yourself?
Not hate or confusion truth
I’ve had them on my door step this past three weeks
Oh woooh is me no work 3 kids I have at weekends
Applied for jobs I had advertised
Ok says me start Monday
3 days work
Oh fuck that don’t turn up back on be benifits
That’s facts
Some might be sorry cases but to be honest there’s work for them that want it like I say people afraid to say it in this day n age
Afraid to say what? Maybe the jobs you are offering are crap and poorly paid ? How many people have done this ?
I’ve had 2 in last 3 weeks
So poorly paid ???
Stop “benefits “ see how poorly paid they are then
But your happy to pay Fred to stay at home so probably won’t win this one
Who is Fred "You don’t believe what ? Fred read thread try keep up | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life?
I’m extremely happy I’m my own boss
Nice family friends
Own home dog
Don’t owe anyone anything
Couldn’t be better give 12 people a good living look after them like my own they look after me live s good !!
Then why so much hate and confusion about people less well off than yourself?
Not hate or confusion truth
I’ve had them on my door step this past three weeks
Oh woooh is me no work 3 kids I have at weekends
Applied for jobs I had advertised
Ok says me start Monday
3 days work
Oh fuck that don’t turn up back on be benifits
That’s facts
Some might be sorry cases but to be honest there’s work for them that want it like I say people afraid to say it in this day n age
Afraid to say what? Maybe the jobs you are offering are crap and poorly paid ? How many people have done this ?
I’ve had 2 in last 3 weeks
So poorly paid ???
Stop “benefits “ see how poorly paid they are then
But your happy to pay Fred to stay at home so probably won’t win this one
Ps
25,000 to 30,000 per year depending on what hrs you do
There again that’s not 50,000 equal to what you need to earn to come off benefits
You don’t believe what ?
If you’ve followed the thread Fred is the person unknown claiming benefits ect
Read back through
I don’t believe you , "How old is Fred? | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life?
I’m extremely happy I’m my own boss
Nice family friends
Own home dog
Don’t owe anyone anything
Couldn’t be better give 12 people a good living look after them like my own they look after me live s good !!
Then why so much hate and confusion about people less well off than yourself?
Not hate or confusion truth
I’ve had them on my door step this past three weeks
Oh woooh is me no work 3 kids I have at weekends
Applied for jobs I had advertised
Ok says me start Monday
3 days work
Oh fuck that don’t turn up back on be benifits
That’s facts
Some might be sorry cases but to be honest there’s work for them that want it like I say people afraid to say it in this day n age
Afraid to say what? Maybe the jobs you are offering are crap and poorly paid ? How many people have done this ?
I’ve had 2 in last 3 weeks
So poorly paid ???
Stop “benefits “ see how poorly paid they are then
But your happy to pay Fred to stay at home so probably won’t win this one
Who is Fred
You don’t believe what ?
Fred read thread try keep up"What type of jobs are you offering people? Do you interview them? | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life?
I’m extremely happy I’m my own boss
Nice family friends
Own home dog
Don’t owe anyone anything
Couldn’t be better give 12 people a good living look after them like my own they look after me live s good !!
Then why so much hate and confusion about people less well off than yourself?
Not hate or confusion truth
I’ve had them on my door step this past three weeks
Oh woooh is me no work 3 kids I have at weekends
Applied for jobs I had advertised
Ok says me start Monday
3 days work
Oh fuck that don’t turn up back on be benifits
That’s facts
Some might be sorry cases but to be honest there’s work for them that want it like I say people afraid to say it in this day n age
Afraid to say what? Maybe the jobs you are offering are crap and poorly paid ? How many people have done this ?
I’ve had 2 in last 3 weeks
So poorly paid ???
Stop “benefits “ see how poorly paid they are then
But your happy to pay Fred to stay at home so probably won’t win this one
Who is Fred
You don’t believe what ?
Fred read thread try keep up
What type of jobs are you offering people? Do you interview them? "Of course I interview them I currently have an ex teacher working for me and when the next person starts who’s currently working his 4 weeks notice he is currently working with violent teenagers his 51 and was nearly thrown down 4 story flight of stairs that’s why he’s quit currently job on 22,000 to come to me The people who turned up and quit weren’t working On benefits I give anyone a chance but they didn’t want to work Honestly if your not in the environment you don’t know how people are | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life?
I’m extremely happy I’m my own boss
Nice family friends
Own home dog
Don’t owe anyone anything
Couldn’t be better give 12 people a good living look after them like my own they look after me live s good !!
Then why so much hate and confusion about people less well off than yourself?
Not hate or confusion truth
I’ve had them on my door step this past three weeks
Oh woooh is me no work 3 kids I have at weekends
Applied for jobs I had advertised
Ok says me start Monday
3 days work
Oh fuck that don’t turn up back on be benifits
That’s facts
Some might be sorry cases but to be honest there’s work for them that want it like I say people afraid to say it in this day n age
Afraid to say what? Maybe the jobs you are offering are crap and poorly paid ? How many people have done this ?
I’ve had 2 in last 3 weeks
So poorly paid ???
Stop “benefits “ see how poorly paid they are then
But your happy to pay Fred to stay at home so probably won’t win this one
Who is Fred
You don’t believe what ?
Fred read thread try keep up
What type of jobs are you offering people? Do you interview them?
Of course I interview them
I currently have an ex teacher working for me and when the next person starts who’s currently working his 4 weeks notice he is currently working with violent teenagers his 51 and was nearly thrown down 4 story flight of stairs that’s why he’s quit currently job on 22,000 to come to me
The people who turned up and quit weren’t working
On benefits
I give anyone a chance but they didn’t want to work
Honestly if your not in the environment you don’t know how people are "I hear your frustration but it isn’t fair to tar everyone with the same brush, of course there are people screwing the system, just like the rich who have found tax loopholes and are tax dodging . They are the type of people who annoy me more than people on benefits | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong? Yup, what you're doing wrong is stereotyping and demonising poor people. Not just you, this attitude is fairly prevalent. As I said "welcome to Tory Britain". Tory Britain where the government pays you to stay at home because your jobs can’t continue due to virus Where your given benifits (I thought a benifit was something you earned the benefit of being employed and working hard is the income you take home ) Apparently not a benefit is something you get for not working having kids you can’t afford ect The truth hurts no one dare say it ! I am a tax payer, I am happy to pay to make sure children are feed, if you have a problem with the benefits system why don’t you write to your local MP, start a petition, start a protest, don’t just sit on your arse doing nothing .
You see I don’t sit on my arse I employ 12 staff I pay them to work the amount of people who lady a week or less is crazy
“ ohh that’s hard work don’t want that “
I should be able to report them instead they go back to benefits !!!
Report them then, stop moaning about it, speak to Boris, I am happy to pay the tax,
You can’t report them
Believe me if I could I would
Good, I am glad you can’t, are you unhappy with your life?
I’m extremely happy I’m my own boss
Nice family friends
Own home dog
Don’t owe anyone anything
Couldn’t be better give 12 people a good living look after them like my own they look after me live s good !!
Then why so much hate and confusion about people less well off than yourself?
Not hate or confusion truth
I’ve had them on my door step this past three weeks
Oh woooh is me no work 3 kids I have at weekends
Applied for jobs I had advertised
Ok says me start Monday
3 days work
Oh fuck that don’t turn up back on be benifits
That’s facts
Some might be sorry cases but to be honest there’s work for them that want it like I say people afraid to say it in this day n age
Afraid to say what? Maybe the jobs you are offering are crap and poorly paid ? How many people have done this ?
I’ve had 2 in last 3 weeks
So poorly paid ???
Stop “benefits “ see how poorly paid they are then
But your happy to pay Fred to stay at home so probably won’t win this one
Who is Fred
You don’t believe what ?
Fred read thread try keep up
What type of jobs are you offering people? Do you interview them?
Of course I interview them
I currently have an ex teacher working for me and when the next person starts who’s currently working his 4 weeks notice he is currently working with violent teenagers his 51 and was nearly thrown down 4 story flight of stairs that’s why he’s quit currently job on 22,000 to come to me
The people who turned up and quit weren’t working
On benefits
I give anyone a chance but they didn’t want to work
Honestly if your not in the environment you don’t know how people are
I hear your frustration but it isn’t fair to tar everyone with the same brush, of course there are people screwing the system, just like the rich who have found tax loopholes and are tax dodging . They are the type of people who annoy me more than people on benefits "As I said there are serious cases But if you stopped giving people money you’d soon see who could work or not I left home at 16 and have worked ever since no one given me anything I could do it again tomorrow because if I didn’t I didn’t eat I had problems with drugs when younger I bought 60 fags a day smoked probably 20 as worked with 5 lads who all smoked d*unk to much Could have sat there saying oh wooh is me but didn’t I got off my arse So many people don’t want to | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? The difference is that the cost of the re decoration is totally immaterial and is not something that he personally can keep. Any senior executive should hav e their office decorated in a manner that makes them feel comfortable. We want to obtain maximum value from them. Few people are more important than a pm leading the county during a time of crisis. The NHS payroll is already massive and any pay increase to NHS staff has to be funded by the taxpayer. Even small pay increases amount to massive sums of public money ." The only difference is 60+ million people are dependent on the NHS; only 3 of those people are dependent on Boris’s flat! (Boris, Carrie Antoinette, Wilfie, plus the dog)!!! | |||
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"Captain hindsight calling for transparency on curtaingate ! Name your source dick" Captain Sleaze nearly crying at PMQs, he seems to be rattled | |||
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"Captain hindsight calling for transparency on curtaingate ! Name your source dick" Oh dear | |||
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"Captain hindsight calling for transparency on curtaingate ! Name your source dick Captain Sleaze nearly crying at PMQs, he seems to be rattled "Imagine if the PM was as passionate about serving the country as he was about justifying the excessive spending on the apartment. | |||
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"Captain hindsight calling for transparency on curtaingate ! Name your source dick Captain Sleaze nearly crying at PMQs, he seems to be rattled
Imagine if the PM was as passionate about serving the country as he was about justifying the excessive spending on the apartment."Imagine if the questions he needs to respond to were about running the country rather than updating the pms accommodation.? | |||
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"Captain hindsight calling for transparency on curtaingate ! Name your source dick Captain Sleaze nearly crying at PMQs, he seems to be rattled
Imagine if the PM was as passionate about serving the country as he was about justifying the excessive spending on the apartment.
Imagine if the questions he needs to respond to were about running the country rather than updating the pms accommodation.? "Unfortunately he doesnt seem to keen on answering them aswell. How is that investigation for covid coming along? | |||
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"Captain hindsight calling for transparency on curtaingate ! Name your source dick Captain Sleaze nearly crying at PMQs, he seems to be rattled
Imagine if the PM was as passionate about serving the country as he was about justifying the excessive spending on the apartment.
Imagine if the questions he needs to respond to were about running the country rather than updating the pms accommodation.?
Unfortunately he doesnt seem to keen on answering them aswell.
How is that investigation for covid coming along?"Think you mean too keen, either and into Good to see extra expenditure planned for education ! As for Captain Sleaze he has started the ALBA party. | |||
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"Captain hindsight calling for transparency on curtaingate ! Name your source dick Captain Sleaze nearly crying at PMQs, he seems to be rattled
Imagine if the PM was as passionate about serving the country as he was about justifying the excessive spending on the apartment.
Imagine if the questions he needs to respond to were about running the country rather than updating the pms accommodation.? "He never answers questions , | |||
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"Captain hindsight calling for transparency on curtaingate ! Name your source dick Captain Sleaze nearly crying at PMQs, he seems to be rattled
Imagine if the PM was as passionate about serving the country as he was about justifying the excessive spending on the apartment."I thought his head was going to explode, Major Sleaze was having a meltdown, | |||
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"Captain hindsight calling for transparency on curtaingate ! Name your source dick Captain Sleaze nearly crying at PMQs, he seems to be rattled "Major Sleaze , | |||
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"Captain hindsight calling for transparency on curtaingate ! Name your source dick Captain Sleaze nearly crying at PMQs, he seems to be rattled
Imagine if the PM was as passionate about serving the country as he was about justifying the excessive spending on the apartment.
Imagine if the questions he needs to respond to were about running the country rather than updating the pms accommodation.? "We can but dream of such a utopia.  | |||
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"I think this shows BJs attitude to money its ok for him to spend a phenomenal amount of money doing up a flat where he might have to move out in 5 years. money he does not appear to have, while cutting the wages of NHS workers, how bad was the flat to start with? did Teresa may trash the place before she moved out? P I would have trashed it. But yeah. You know the Tories. Starving kids? Nah, fuck 'em. Boris wants a swanky pad, oh yeah, we've got money here for that. Starving kids with large dogs sky tv cigarettes n booze Mmmm Exactly. One of the starving kids might have a dog. Fuck 'em, let them starve. Much better to spend more cash on Boris's flat. So if you can’t feed your kids don’t have a dog don’t smoke don’t drink If you can’t feed em don’t breed em !! Welcome to Tory Britain. So if I have 6 kids I’d need to earn several £1000.00 per week to feed em I don’t I earn enough to feed my 2 kids and my Mrs But hey why not Council house sky tv dog fags booze ect Perhaps I’m doing something wrong?" Yes | |||
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"The peeps have spoken Labour are done " I hope not... A two party system is bad enough.... A one party system is just not going to work.... People have to be engaged and care about the political process for it to work effectively... | |||
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