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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work.  |
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"Be interesting to hear from people from Belfast who are actually involved. i doubt those involved are old enough to be on fabs"
Maybe people who live there who are having to deal with this. It’s been going on for about a week now. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
The inference that the kids involved in the current riots have little to no concept of the N Ireland protocol is probably correct.
However, throughout the three decades of recent troubles from the 1970’s through tto signing of the GFA, the riots and disturbances were also carried in the main by kids.
The kids are the ones who have always been used by political persuasions to agitate the society. They are just pawns in a bigger play and at least one side is hoping that these disturbances will provoke a bigger response from the other side so that escalation is ensured.
Be under no illusions, these disturbances have the N Ireland protocol in their roots. There is no reason for Loyalists (of any age) to be rioting in the streets other than they feel used, abused and ultimately thrown under the bus by Boris Johnson. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"The inference that the kids involved in the current riots have little to no concept of the N Ireland protocol is probably correct.
However, throughout the three decades of recent troubles from the 1970’s through tto signing of the GFA, the riots and disturbances were also carried in the main by kids.
The kids are the ones who have always been used by political persuasions to agitate the society. They are just pawns in a bigger play and at least one side is hoping that these disturbances will provoke a bigger response from the other side so that escalation is ensured.
Be under no illusions, these disturbances have the N Ireland protocol in their roots. There is no reason for Loyalists (of any age) to be rioting in the streets other than they feel used, abused and ultimately thrown under the bus by Boris Johnson."
Oh its just loyalists?? Sure the news is reporting its kicking off in republican areas to.like i said further up bellends being whipped up by people who should really know better |
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"Nah just a bunch of bellend teenagers from both sides with to much time on there hands who are easily manipulated by people who should know better"
It has been like that for years.
There will always be that underlying element that will deliberately provoke to gain a reaction. And right enough the majority is males between 15 and 25.
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"The inference that the kids involved in the current riots have little to no concept of the N Ireland protocol is probably correct.
However, throughout the three decades of recent troubles from the 1970’s through tto signing of the GFA, the riots and disturbances were also carried in the main by kids.
The kids are the ones who have always been used by political persuasions to agitate the society. They are just pawns in a bigger play and at least one side is hoping that these disturbances will provoke a bigger response from the other side so that escalation is ensured.
Be under no illusions, these disturbances have the N Ireland protocol in their roots. There is no reason for Loyalists (of any age) to be rioting in the streets other than they feel used, abused and ultimately thrown under the bus by Boris Johnson.
Oh its just loyalists?? Sure the news is reporting its kicking off in republican areas to.like i said further up bellends being whipped up by people who should really know better"
Have stood on some of the main interfaces, your spot on there.
We only see the puppets, not the master pulling the strings. |
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"A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work. "
There biggest reasons for the rioting is the fact that a border was placed in part of the United Kingdom with effectively cuts it off from the rest of the United Kingdom. This is contrary to the Good Friday Agreement which agreed that Northern Irelands position in the uk was to remain until a majority to form a United Ireland was established by a border poll. That poll hasn’t been called yet but the uk citizens of Northern Ireland have been force into a united ireland against their consent. Just to clarify folks |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"The inference that the kids involved in the current riots have little to no concept of the N Ireland protocol is probably correct.
However, throughout the three decades of recent troubles from the 1970’s through tto signing of the GFA, the riots and disturbances were also carried in the main by kids.
The kids are the ones who have always been used by political persuasions to agitate the society. They are just pawns in a bigger play and at least one side is hoping that these disturbances will provoke a bigger response from the other side so that escalation is ensured.
Be under no illusions, these disturbances have the N Ireland protocol in their roots. There is no reason for Loyalists (of any age) to be rioting in the streets other than they feel used, abused and ultimately thrown under the bus by Boris Johnson.
Oh its just loyalists?? Sure the news is reporting its kicking off in republican areas to.like i said further up bellends being whipped up by people who should really know better"
That was the whole intention, Loyalist kids rioting and throwing bricks and bottles over the "peace wall" from Shankhill Road into Springfield Road. The Nationalist kids respond in kind and the puppet master hope for an escalation. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work.
There biggest reasons for the rioting is the fact that a border was placed in part of the United Kingdom with effectively cuts it off from the rest of the United Kingdom. This is contrary to the Good Friday Agreement which agreed that Northern Irelands position in the uk was to remain until a majority to form a United Ireland was established by a border poll. That poll hasn’t been called yet but the uk citizens of Northern Ireland have been force into a united ireland against their consent. Just to clarify folks"
The DUP and other Unionist party’s were full supportive of the Withdrawal agreement which included the NI protocol
That’s the reality |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work.
There biggest reasons for the rioting is the fact that a border was placed in part of the United Kingdom with effectively cuts it off from the rest of the United Kingdom. This is contrary to the Good Friday Agreement which agreed that Northern Irelands position in the uk was to remain until a majority to form a United Ireland was established by a border poll. That poll hasn’t been called yet but the uk citizens of Northern Ireland have been force into a united ireland against their consent. Just to clarify folks
The DUP and other Unionist party’s were full supportive of the Withdrawal agreement which included the NI protocol
That’s the reality "
Because they were assured publically and privately (as we all infamously saw) that there would not be a border in the Irish Sea, DESPITE every expert on the matter saying that there would have to be one.
Johnson lied.
C'est la vie |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"The inference that the kids involved in the current riots have little to no concept of the N Ireland protocol is probably correct.
However, throughout the three decades of recent troubles from the 1970’s through tto signing of the GFA, the riots and disturbances were also carried in the main by kids.
The kids are the ones who have always been used by political persuasions to agitate the society. They are just pawns in a bigger play and at least one side is hoping that these disturbances will provoke a bigger response from the other side so that escalation is ensured.
Be under no illusions, these disturbances have the N Ireland protocol in their roots. There is no reason for Loyalists (of any age) to be rioting in the streets other than they feel used, abused and ultimately thrown under the bus by Boris Johnson.
Oh its just loyalists?? Sure the news is reporting its kicking off in republican areas to.like i said further up bellends being whipped up by people who should really know better
That was the whole intention, Loyalist kids rioting and throwing bricks and bottles over the "peace wall" from Shankhill Road into Springfield Road. The Nationalist kids respond in kind and the puppet master hope for an escalation."
Really?? What i was watching on the news was republican kids throwing shit at the old bill same as the loyalist kids have been doing the last few nights.not seen any footage ofthe twats throwing shit at each other.if anything they seem to have a common enemy for once |
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it's the usual unionist rent-a-mob criminals being violent and waving the union jack again, mostly stoked by the conservatives and their union flag waving culture war on everything they are intolerant of and wish to cancel. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work.
There biggest reasons for the rioting is the fact that a border was placed in part of the United Kingdom with effectively cuts it off from the rest of the United Kingdom. This is contrary to the Good Friday Agreement which agreed that Northern Irelands position in the uk was to remain until a majority to form a United Ireland was established by a border poll. That poll hasn’t been called yet but the uk citizens of Northern Ireland have been force into a united ireland against their consent. Just to clarify folks"
That isnt quite true though is it .
The GFA/Belfast agreement was for each community to
be respected , whether there affiliation was Dublin or Westminster , until such time as the majority in the
6 counries decided they wanted to either join either
Dublin or stay with westminster .
Neither Westminster or Dublin would treat either side
Of each community Any differently to either the Republic or the rest of the united Kingdom as long as ( here is the important bit)
BOTH THE REPUBLIC & THE UK WERE BOTH STILL MEMBERS OF THE EU
As the UK decided to leave the EU then they are responsible for
maintaining what is in effect the contract signed by all 3 parties , The govt of Westminster , the govt of Dublin &
The people in the 6 counties . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I live on the interface or peaceline between shankill amd Springfield. Loyalists are having 'protests' at interface areas in the hope of provoking young nationalists/republicans. Loyalists feeling left behind and besieged after GFA and NI protocol.. No political representation for loyalist working class DUP always been middle class upper unionists |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nah just a bunch of bellend teenagers from both sides with to much time on there hands who are easily manipulated by people who should know better"
Nail on the head.
You can talk all you like about the deeper reasons behind it but the reality is these are youngsters being manipulated by those that don't want to get their own hands dirty. And they'll have no coherent understanding of why they're doing what they're doing.
Having been shown by my own children some of the rallying messages that have gone out on social media, it's bloody horrifying. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I live on the interface or peaceline between shankill amd Springfield. Loyalists are having 'protests' at interface areas in the hope of provoking young nationalists/republicans. Loyalists feeling left behind and besieged after GFA and NI protocol.. No political representation for loyalist working class DUP always been middle class upper unionists"
Yeah thats fair enough , but westminster cared 30 years ago .
They dont now , the only future.for the north will be the
union of the 32 counties, its a catholic voting majority this year for the 1st time ever & its only going to get bigger .
I hope the working Class protestants & Catholics eventually just put there heads together & say , we're pretty much the same
We love footy we love beer we love chasing a bit of skirt .
We love earning money lets just be mates .
The UK still pay more per person in the UK than they do for syrian , lebanese or any other economic migrant .
Not wanting to be offensive to you at all .
Just stating how its going to be there.
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"A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work.
There biggest reasons for the rioting is the fact that a border was placed in part of the United Kingdom with effectively cuts it off from the rest of the United Kingdom. This is contrary to the Good Friday Agreement which agreed that Northern Irelands position in the uk was to remain until a majority to form a United Ireland was established by a border poll. That poll hasn’t been called yet but the uk citizens of Northern Ireland have been force into a united ireland against their consent. Just to clarify folks"
I think this about sums it up. Northern Ireland is effectively inside the customs union. The rest of the UK is oblivious & really doesn't care.
Anyone in Northern Ireland is effectively part of the customs union but not in the EU so has no voting rights i.e. the worst of both worlds.
I'm surprised it's taken this long for them to wake up tbh.
The Tories & Boris are totally responsible for this. |
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"A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work.
There biggest reasons for the rioting is the fact that a border was placed in part of the United Kingdom with effectively cuts it off from the rest of the United Kingdom. This is contrary to the Good Friday Agreement which agreed that Northern Irelands position in the uk was to remain until a majority to form a United Ireland was established by a border poll. That poll hasn’t been called yet but the uk citizens of Northern Ireland have been force into a united ireland against their consent. Just to clarify folks
I think this about sums it up. Northern Ireland is effectively inside the customs union. The rest of the UK is oblivious & really doesn't care.
Anyone in Northern Ireland is effectively part of the customs union but not in the EU so has no voting rights i.e. the worst of both worlds.
I'm surprised it's taken this long for them to wake up tbh.
The Tories & Boris are totally responsible for this."
There is no border between the Republic & the EU .
Only between the UK & the EU .
There are no delaysbbringing Republic produce
into the 6 counties . |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work.
There biggest reasons for the rioting is the fact that a border was placed in part of the United Kingdom with effectively cuts it off from the rest of the United Kingdom. This is contrary to the Good Friday Agreement which agreed that Northern Irelands position in the uk was to remain until a majority to form a United Ireland was established by a border poll. That poll hasn’t been called yet but the uk citizens of Northern Ireland have been force into a united ireland against their consent. Just to clarify folks
I think this about sums it up. Northern Ireland is effectively inside the customs union. The rest of the UK is oblivious & really doesn't care.
Anyone in Northern Ireland is effectively part of the customs union but not in the EU so has no voting rights i.e. the worst of both worlds.
I'm surprised it's taken this long for them to wake up tbh.
The Tories & Boris are totally responsible for this."
Rubbish this would have happened at sometime anyway brexit or no brexit the troubles never ended just dampened down |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work.
There biggest reasons for the rioting is the fact that a border was placed in part of the United Kingdom with effectively cuts it off from the rest of the United Kingdom. This is contrary to the Good Friday Agreement which agreed that Northern Irelands position in the uk was to remain until a majority to form a United Ireland was established by a border poll. That poll hasn’t been called yet but the uk citizens of Northern Ireland have been force into a united ireland against their consent. Just to clarify folks
I think this about sums it up. Northern Ireland is effectively inside the customs union. The rest of the UK is oblivious & really doesn't care.
Anyone in Northern Ireland is effectively part of the customs union but not in the EU so has no voting rights i.e. the worst of both worlds.
I'm surprised it's taken this long for them to wake up tbh.
The Tories & Boris are totally responsible for this.Rubbish this would have happened at sometime anyway brexit or no brexit the troubles never ended just dampened down"
Are you being serious? The GFA has held for over 20 years , if it fails it then Boris is responsible |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work.
There biggest reasons for the rioting is the fact that a border was placed in part of the United Kingdom with effectively cuts it off from the rest of the United Kingdom. This is contrary to the Good Friday Agreement which agreed that Northern Irelands position in the uk was to remain until a majority to form a United Ireland was established by a border poll. That poll hasn’t been called yet but the uk citizens of Northern Ireland have been force into a united ireland against their consent. Just to clarify folks
I think this about sums it up. Northern Ireland is effectively inside the customs union. The rest of the UK is oblivious & really doesn't care.
Anyone in Northern Ireland is effectively part of the customs union but not in the EU so has no voting rights i.e. the worst of both worlds.
I'm surprised it's taken this long for them to wake up tbh.
The Tories & Boris are totally responsible for this.Rubbish this would have happened at sometime anyway brexit or no brexit the troubles never ended just dampened down
Are you being serious? The GFA has held for over 20 years , if it fails it then Boris is responsible "
You blame Boris if the weather is bad lol,you have zero objectivity |
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"A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work.
There biggest reasons for the rioting is the fact that a border was placed in part of the United Kingdom with effectively cuts it off from the rest of the United Kingdom. This is contrary to the Good Friday Agreement which agreed that Northern Irelands position in the uk was to remain until a majority to form a United Ireland was established by a border poll. That poll hasn’t been called yet but the uk citizens of Northern Ireland have been force into a united ireland against their consent. Just to clarify folks
I think this about sums it up. Northern Ireland is effectively inside the customs union. The rest of the UK is oblivious & really doesn't care.
Anyone in Northern Ireland is effectively part of the customs union but not in the EU so has no voting rights i.e. the worst of both worlds.
I'm surprised it's taken this long for them to wake up tbh.
The Tories & Boris are totally responsible for this.Rubbish this would have happened at sometime anyway brexit or no brexit the troubles never ended just dampened down
Are you being serious? The GFA has held for over 20 years , if it fails it then Boris is responsible You blame Boris if the weather is bad lol,you have zero objectivity"
If the GFA fails Boris is responsible, |
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"A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work.
There biggest reasons for the rioting is the fact that a border was placed in part of the United Kingdom with effectively cuts it off from the rest of the United Kingdom. This is contrary to the Good Friday Agreement which agreed that Northern Irelands position in the uk was to remain until a majority to form a United Ireland was established by a border poll. That poll hasn’t been called yet but the uk citizens of Northern Ireland have been force into a united ireland against their consent. Just to clarify folks
I think this about sums it up. Northern Ireland is effectively inside the customs union. The rest of the UK is oblivious & really doesn't care.
Anyone in Northern Ireland is effectively part of the customs union but not in the EU so has no voting rights i.e. the worst of both worlds.
I'm surprised it's taken this long for them to wake up tbh.
The Tories & Boris are totally responsible for this.Rubbish this would have happened at sometime anyway brexit or no brexit the troubles never ended just dampened down"
Only a fool pours petrol on the embers of a fire..
Brexit is not nor ever was worth the life of someone killed if the GFA fails..
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over a year ago
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"A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work.
There biggest reasons for the rioting is the fact that a border was placed in part of the United Kingdom with effectively cuts it off from the rest of the United Kingdom. This is contrary to the Good Friday Agreement which agreed that Northern Irelands position in the uk was to remain until a majority to form a United Ireland was established by a border poll. That poll hasn’t been called yet but the uk citizens of Northern Ireland have been force into a united ireland against their consent. Just to clarify folks
I think this about sums it up. Northern Ireland is effectively inside the customs union. The rest of the UK is oblivious & really doesn't care.
Anyone in Northern Ireland is effectively part of the customs union but not in the EU so has no voting rights i.e. the worst of both worlds.
I'm surprised it's taken this long for them to wake up tbh.
The Tories & Boris are totally responsible for this.Rubbish this would have happened at sometime anyway brexit or no brexit the troubles never ended just dampened down
Only a fool pours petrol on the embers of a fire..
Brexit is not nor ever was worth the life of someone killed if the GFA fails..
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The Brexit die hards don’t care, they will blame the EU, this was predicted and
dismissed as project fear, worrying times |
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"A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work.
There biggest reasons for the rioting is the fact that a border was placed in part of the United Kingdom with effectively cuts it off from the rest of the United Kingdom. This is contrary to the Good Friday Agreement which agreed that Northern Irelands position in the uk was to remain until a majority to form a United Ireland was established by a border poll. That poll hasn’t been called yet but the uk citizens of Northern Ireland have been force into a united ireland against their consent. Just to clarify folks
I think this about sums it up. Northern Ireland is effectively inside the customs union. The rest of the UK is oblivious & really doesn't care.
Anyone in Northern Ireland is effectively part of the customs union but not in the EU so has no voting rights i.e. the worst of both worlds.
I'm surprised it's taken this long for them to wake up tbh.
The Tories & Boris are totally responsible for this.Rubbish this would have happened at sometime anyway brexit or no brexit the troubles never ended just dampened down
Are you being serious? The GFA has held for over 20 years , if it fails it then Boris is responsible "
How could Boris possibly be held responsible for the border . ? He came in at the tail end of negotiations and had to battle against various remainer MPs who choose to obstruct the negotiations at every step.
The EU could have compromised considering it was only a very small section of the entire EU. They choose not to. Boris has never indicated at any stage that he wanted to put a border in Ireland. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work.
There biggest reasons for the rioting is the fact that a border was placed in part of the United Kingdom with effectively cuts it off from the rest of the United Kingdom. This is contrary to the Good Friday Agreement which agreed that Northern Irelands position in the uk was to remain until a majority to form a United Ireland was established by a border poll. That poll hasn’t been called yet but the uk citizens of Northern Ireland have been force into a united ireland against their consent. Just to clarify folks
I think this about sums it up. Northern Ireland is effectively inside the customs union. The rest of the UK is oblivious & really doesn't care.
Anyone in Northern Ireland is effectively part of the customs union but not in the EU so has no voting rights i.e. the worst of both worlds.
I'm surprised it's taken this long for them to wake up tbh.
The Tories & Boris are totally responsible for this.Rubbish this would have happened at sometime anyway brexit or no brexit the troubles never ended just dampened down
Are you being serious? The GFA has held for over 20 years , if it fails it then Boris is responsible "
Boris is partially responsible .
" WE KNEW WHAT WE WERE VOTING FOR"
are far more responsible . |
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over a year ago
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"A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work.
There biggest reasons for the rioting is the fact that a border was placed in part of the United Kingdom with effectively cuts it off from the rest of the United Kingdom. This is contrary to the Good Friday Agreement which agreed that Northern Irelands position in the uk was to remain until a majority to form a United Ireland was established by a border poll. That poll hasn’t been called yet but the uk citizens of Northern Ireland have been force into a united ireland against their consent. Just to clarify folks
I think this about sums it up. Northern Ireland is effectively inside the customs union. The rest of the UK is oblivious & really doesn't care.
Anyone in Northern Ireland is effectively part of the customs union but not in the EU so has no voting rights i.e. the worst of both worlds.
I'm surprised it's taken this long for them to wake up tbh.
The Tories & Boris are totally responsible for this.Rubbish this would have happened at sometime anyway brexit or no brexit the troubles never ended just dampened down
Are you being serious? The GFA has held for over 20 years , if it fails it then Boris is responsible How could Boris possibly be held responsible for the border . ? He came in at the tail end of negotiations and had to battle against various remainer MPs who choose to obstruct the negotiations at every step.
The EU could have compromised considering it was only a very small section of the entire EU. They choose not to. Boris has never indicated at any stage that he wanted to put a border in Ireland. "
Teresa May was in poition to do a deal .
Boris & his boys voted her down because of the Sea border .
Boris got her kicked out ,
Then lied to parliament , lied to the queen & the people .
"LETS GET BREXIT DONE " . |
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"A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work.
There biggest reasons for the rioting is the fact that a border was placed in part of the United Kingdom with effectively cuts it off from the rest of the United Kingdom. This is contrary to the Good Friday Agreement which agreed that Northern Irelands position in the uk was to remain until a majority to form a United Ireland was established by a border poll. That poll hasn’t been called yet but the uk citizens of Northern Ireland have been force into a united ireland against their consent. Just to clarify folks
I think this about sums it up. Northern Ireland is effectively inside the customs union. The rest of the UK is oblivious & really doesn't care.
Anyone in Northern Ireland is effectively part of the customs union but not in the EU so has no voting rights i.e. the worst of both worlds.
I'm surprised it's taken this long for them to wake up tbh.
The Tories & Boris are totally responsible for this.Rubbish this would have happened at sometime anyway brexit or no brexit the troubles never ended just dampened down
Are you being serious? The GFA has held for over 20 years , if it fails it then Boris is responsible How could Boris possibly be held responsible for the border . ? He came in at the tail end of negotiations and had to battle against various remainer MPs who choose to obstruct the negotiations at every step.
The EU could have compromised considering it was only a very small section of the entire EU. They choose not to. Boris has never indicated at any stage that he wanted to put a border in Ireland. "
If the GFA fails he will be responsible, he lied numerous times about not having a border, he is the PM, he agreed to allowing a border . |
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"A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work.
There biggest reasons for the rioting is the fact that a border was placed in part of the United Kingdom with effectively cuts it off from the rest of the United Kingdom. This is contrary to the Good Friday Agreement which agreed that Northern Irelands position in the uk was to remain until a majority to form a United Ireland was established by a border poll. That poll hasn’t been called yet but the uk citizens of Northern Ireland have been force into a united ireland against their consent. Just to clarify folks
I think this about sums it up. Northern Ireland is effectively inside the customs union. The rest of the UK is oblivious & really doesn't care.
Anyone in Northern Ireland is effectively part of the customs union but not in the EU so has no voting rights i.e. the worst of both worlds.
I'm surprised it's taken this long for them to wake up tbh.
The Tories & Boris are totally responsible for this.Rubbish this would have happened at sometime anyway brexit or no brexit the troubles never ended just dampened down
Only a fool pours petrol on the embers of a fire..
Brexit is not nor ever was worth the life of someone killed if the GFA fails..
The Brexit die hards don’t care, they will blame the EU, this was predicted and
dismissed as project fear, worrying times "
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"It's like some sort of delusional cult..
it is in fact brexaholic denial syndrome"
Dont or they might threaten to take the whip away
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Bigger Catholic voting numbers does not equate to an automatic vote for A united Ireland infact there wouod be more catholics to vote to stay within the union than protestant to vote to unite the country.
Go as far as saying a vote for Sinn fein does not mean they want a UI just as those that vote for SNP dont always want an independent scotland. It is only one issue.
No offence at all i am not on the loyalist side anyhow. |
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"Bigger Catholic voting numbers does not equate to an automatic vote for A united Ireland infact there wouod be more catholics to vote to stay within the union than protestant to vote to unite the country.
Go as far as saying a vote for Sinn fein does not mean they want a UI just as those that vote for SNP dont always want an independent scotland. It is only one issue.
No offence at all i am not on the loyalist side anyhow."
A very valid point . A lot of people fail to realise that being Catholic does not necessarily equate to a vote for a United Ireland. Other issues are at stake such as financial stability. Having to pay for the health service is not a big vote winner to anyone.
As things stand we have little to fear about the Union breaking up. |
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"Bigger Catholic voting numbers does not equate to an automatic vote for A united Ireland infact there wouod be more catholics to vote to stay within the union than protestant to vote to unite the country.
Go as far as saying a vote for Sinn fein does not mean they want a UI just as those that vote for SNP dont always want an independent scotland. It is only one issue.
No offence at all i am not on the loyalist side anyhow. A very valid point . A lot of people fail to realise that being Catholic does not necessarily equate to a vote for a United Ireland. Other issues are at stake such as financial stability. Having to pay for the health service is not a big vote winner to anyone.
As things stand we have little to fear about the Union breaking up. "
Tend to agree on both posts but there are those as usual standing in the shadows spreading the possibility of such and using that fear to incite further instability upon the back of the current mess that is the NI protocol.. |
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"Bigger Catholic voting numbers does not equate to an automatic vote for A united Ireland infact there wouod be more catholics to vote to stay within the union than protestant to vote to unite the country.
Go as far as saying a vote for Sinn fein does not mean they want a UI just as those that vote for SNP dont always want an independent scotland. It is only one issue.
No offence at all i am not on the loyalist side anyhow. A very valid point . A lot of people fail to realise that being Catholic does not necessarily equate to a vote for a United Ireland. Other issues are at stake such as financial stability. Having to pay for the health service is not a big vote winner to anyone.
As things stand we have little to fear about the Union breaking up. "
Other than the N Ireland protocol has just given credence to the concept of the future of N Ireland being more aligned with Eire than with the U.K.
If what you say were true, there would never have been a border in the Irish Sea and Boris Johnson would never have chosen to impose trading restrictions within the union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
He did this, because the trajectory of movement is only ever going to be in one direction. |
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"Bigger Catholic voting numbers does not equate to an automatic vote for A united Ireland infact there wouod be more catholics to vote to stay within the union than protestant to vote to unite the country.
Go as far as saying a vote for Sinn fein does not mean they want a UI just as those that vote for SNP dont always want an independent scotland. It is only one issue.
No offence at all i am not on the loyalist side anyhow."
You really think Catholics wouldnt vote for a United Ireland ?
Over a United Kingdom that has done what it has done to them
From the day the 6 counties became Northern Ireland .
You seem to forget the surge in Irish Passports by
Protestants before Brexit .
I understand what you say ahout the SNP ,
But Scotlands last 50-100 years has been very different to
what it was in The 6 counties .
Not only will it be a UI it will finally mean the 9 counties of Ulster can stand together .
Neither Dublin Or Westminster wants a return to
Covering the £3 billion they put in there just for rebuilding burnt out bombed out buildings ,
And that doesnt include the cost of everything else .
I read an article a few years back
It costs the uk £21 a day for every immigrant seeking assylum .
Its costs the UK 71 a day to support every person in the
Six counties .
Financially they dont want the problem .
Dublin will take the financial side on because the EU
Will support them .
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Do I agree that Britian dont want to retain us and pay for us, i do.
Do I agree that the Republic of Ireland want us i bloody well dont lol. Why would any country want to take us on through political instability and not to mention communities that have long since been segregated from before the troubles or the war kicked off which ever you like to call it dont get hung up on words.
The orange state was gone long before the IRA decommissioned.. Bloody Sunday yes was wrong, internment was wrong yes no one is arguing about the morality of shite policies implemented on a country by another country who simply does not understand the problems, the issues nor the sensitivities.
You are making general assertions that everyone has the same political view in NI because of their religious back ground which is wholly incorrect.
Applying for irish passports means not having to pay that extra bit of money for visas into into countries and retains free movement. I myself upon brexit applied for a British one simply because with their future trade deals and such being made their will be MORE travel opportunities easier had with a british passport internationally than a passport soley only allowed free movement within the uk. That was my thinking and that was alot of peoples thinking.
Furthermore what the catholics had done to them is a very narrow narritive you arw reciting. History shows us including me who was involvednin street politics here for many years for anything to work here wether that be within the UK or a UI there cannot be a siege mentality forced upon any community, a united ireland wont work without true political inclusion of all our country men and tbh how Sinn fein behave in certain aspects would confirm to alot of people the equality for all slogan is equality for none.
I myself have long been a supporter of a UI, would never dream of voting for SF, but the brexit referendum you are right in saying has thrown up alot of issues and people seem to disregard the fact that it has brought up issues on a referendum the people have had no real discussiom on despite a bloody past. Do we deserve a referendum i believe so however if it was called anytime soon it would be defeated. Not enough genuine political work has been dome on the ground.
We do not know what a united ireland looks like nor do we understand what it will be. But a core aspect of a united ireland under the EU isnt a free ireland. Im not interested in a united ireland to change colour of the cloth, i am interested in a united ireland for the betterment an advancement of higher quality of life for all our people as every country should do, the problem is joining the Republic of ireland i believe does not do that in its current state.
Ps. What makes you think the EU cares about us? It wasnt that lomg ago they threated to out a land border up over vaccines something they lobbed against on brexit.
No one cares about ones own country more than the ordinary working class citizen politics nowadays isnt politics, its chess with a sole purpose of benefiting oneself who are in elected in power be that labour, tories, DUP or sinn fein. |
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"Bigger Catholic voting numbers does not equate to an automatic vote for A united Ireland infact there wouod be more catholics to vote to stay within the union than protestant to vote to unite the country.
Go as far as saying a vote for Sinn fein does not mean they want a UI just as those that vote for SNP dont always want an independent scotland. It is only one issue.
No offence at all i am not on the loyalist side anyhow.
You really think Catholics wouldnt vote for a United Ireland ?
Over a United Kingdom that has done what it has done to them
From the day the 6 counties became Northern Ireland .
You seem to forget the surge in Irish Passports by
Protestants before Brexit .
I understand what you say ahout the SNP ,
But Scotlands last 50-100 years has been very different to
what it was in The 6 counties .
Not only will it be a UI it will finally mean the 9 counties of Ulster can stand together .
Neither Dublin Or Westminster wants a return to
Covering the £3 billion they put in there just for rebuilding burnt out bombed out buildings ,
And that doesnt include the cost of everything else .
I read an article a few years back
It costs the uk £21 a day for every immigrant seeking assylum .
Its costs the UK 71 a day to support every person in the
Six counties .
Financially they dont want the problem .
Dublin will take the financial side on because the EU
Will support them .
"
I am sure quite a lot of people to whom you refer to as being Catholics were ( and still are) very glad of the support from the UK. Are people really going to vote for a big jump into the financially unknown and potentially make themselves worse off ? The Republic of Ireland does not have a free health service, paying for the health service is hardly a vote winner.
Applying for an Irish passport has nothing to do with support for a United Ireland. For a very small sum you can simply overcome any issues with freedom of movement . In addition having two passports is a useful insurance policy should you lose or forget one .
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"Bigger Catholic voting numbers does not equate to an automatic vote for A united Ireland infact there wouod be more catholics to vote to stay within the union than protestant to vote to unite the country.
Go as far as saying a vote for Sinn fein does not mean they want a UI just as those that vote for SNP dont always want an independent scotland. It is only one issue.
No offence at all i am not on the loyalist side anyhow.
You really think Catholics wouldnt vote for a United Ireland ?
Over a United Kingdom that has done what it has done to them
From the day the 6 counties became Northern Ireland .
You seem to forget the surge in Irish Passports by
Protestants before Brexit .
I understand what you say ahout the SNP ,
But Scotlands last 50-100 years has been very different to
what it was in The 6 counties .
Not only will it be a UI it will finally mean the 9 counties of Ulster can stand together .
Neither Dublin Or Westminster wants a return to
Covering the £3 billion they put in there just for rebuilding burnt out bombed out buildings ,
And that doesnt include the cost of everything else .
I read an article a few years back
It costs the uk £21 a day for every immigrant seeking assylum .
Its costs the UK 71 a day to support every person in the
Six counties .
Financially they dont want the problem .
Dublin will take the financial side on because the EU
Will support them .
I am sure quite a lot of people to whom you refer to as being Catholics were ( and still are) very glad of the support from the UK. Are people really going to vote for a big jump into the financially unknown and potentially make themselves worse off ? The Republic of Ireland does not have a free health service, paying for the health service is hardly a vote winner.
Applying for an Irish passport has nothing to do with support for a United Ireland. For a very small sum you can simply overcome any issues with freedom of movement . In addition having two passports is a useful insurance policy should you lose or forget one .
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"Irish passort having soley free movement within the EU**, "
Nah
Irish Citizens ( passport holders ) will be able to receive funding under the EU for Farming & Buisness etc .
The UK was ready to cut all of these things before the
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"Bigger Catholic voting numbers does not equate to an automatic vote for A united Ireland infact there wouod be more catholics to vote to stay within the union than protestant to vote to unite the country.
Go as far as saying a vote for Sinn fein does not mean they want a UI just as those that vote for SNP dont always want an independent scotland. It is only one issue.
No offence at all i am not on the loyalist side anyhow.
You really think Catholics wouldnt vote for a United Ireland ?
Over a United Kingdom that has done what it has done to them
From the day the 6 counties became Northern Ireland .
You seem to forget the surge in Irish Passports by
Protestants before Brexit .
I understand what you say ahout the SNP ,
But Scotlands last 50-100 years has been very different to
what it was in The 6 counties .
Not only will it be a UI it will finally mean the 9 counties of Ulster can stand together .
Neither Dublin Or Westminster wants a return to
Covering the £3 billion they put in there just for rebuilding burnt out bombed out buildings ,
And that doesnt include the cost of everything else .
I read an article a few years back
It costs the uk £21 a day for every immigrant seeking assylum .
Its costs the UK 71 a day to support every person in the
Six counties .
Financially they dont want the problem .
Dublin will take the financial side on because the EU
Will support them .
I am sure quite a lot of people to whom you refer to as being Catholics were ( and still are) very glad of the support from the UK. Are people really going to vote for a big jump into the financially unknown and potentially make themselves worse off ? The Republic of Ireland does not have a free health service, paying for the health service is hardly a vote winner.
Applying for an Irish passport has nothing to do with support for a United Ireland. For a very small sum you can simply overcome any issues with freedom of movement . In addition having two passports is a useful insurance policy should you lose or forget one .
"
Of Course the Mass vote of Catholics will be for a
United Ireland.
British Citizens dont get support from the EU whereas Irish citizens can & do .
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"I live on the interface or peaceline between shankill amd Springfield. Loyalists are having 'protests' at interface areas in the hope of provoking young nationalists/republicans. Loyalists feeling left behind and besieged after GFA and NI protocol.. No political representation for loyalist working class DUP always been middle class upper unionists
Yeah thats fair enough , but westminster cared 30 years ago .
They dont now , the only future.for the north will be the
union of the 32 counties, its a catholic voting majority this year for the 1st time ever & its only going to get bigger .
I hope the working Class protestants & Catholics eventually just put there heads together & say , we're pretty much the same
We love footy we love beer we love chasing a bit of skirt .
We love earning money lets just be mates .
The UK still pay more per person in the UK than they do for syrian , lebanese or any other economic migrant .
Not wanting to be offensive to you at all .
Just stating how its going to be there.
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"Do I agree that Britian dont want to retain us and pay for us, i do.
Do I agree that the Republic of Ireland want us i bloody well dont lol. Why would any country want to take us on through political instability and not to mention communities that have long since been segregated from before the troubles or the war kicked off which ever you like to call it dont get hung up on words.
The orange state was gone long before the IRA decommissioned.. Bloody Sunday yes was wrong, internment was wrong yes no one is arguing about the morality of shite policies implemented on a country by another country who simply does not understand the problems, the issues nor the sensitivities.
You are making general assertions that everyone has the same political view in NI because of their religious back ground which is wholly incorrect.
Applying for irish passports means not having to pay that extra bit of money for visas into into countries and retains free movement. I myself upon brexit applied for a British one simply because with their future trade deals and such being made their will be MORE travel opportunities easier had with a british passport internationally than a passport soley only allowed free movement within the uk. That was my thinking and that was alot of peoples thinking.
Furthermore what the catholics had done to them is a very narrow narritive you arw reciting. History shows us including me who was involvednin street politics here for many years for anything to work here wether that be within the UK or a UI there cannot be a siege mentality forced upon any community, a united ireland wont work without true political inclusion of all our country men and tbh how Sinn fein behave in certain aspects would confirm to alot of people the equality for all slogan is equality for none.
I myself have long been a supporter of a UI, would never dream of voting for SF, but the brexit referendum you are right in saying has thrown up alot of issues and people seem to disregard the fact that it has brought up issues on a referendum the people have had no real discussiom on despite a bloody past. Do we deserve a referendum i believe so however if it was called anytime soon it would be defeated. Not enough genuine political work has been dome on the ground.
We do not know what a united ireland looks like nor do we understand what it will be. But a core aspect of a united ireland under the EU isnt a free ireland. Im not interested in a united ireland to change colour of the cloth, i am interested in a united ireland for the betterment an advancement of higher quality of life for all our people as every country should do, the problem is joining the Republic of ireland i believe does not do that in its current state.
Ps. What makes you think the EU cares about us? It wasnt that lomg ago they threated to out a land border up over vaccines something they lobbed against on brexit.
No one cares about ones own country more than the ordinary working class citizen politics nowadays isnt politics, its chess with a sole purpose of benefiting oneself who are in elected in power be that labour, tories, DUP or sinn fein. "
Siege mentality wont work ?
The Island of Ireland is split into 2 parts because the siege was broken in 1922 when the provisional government set up
For the 26 counties before Dáil Éireann was official in 39 .
Why are you bringing up the atrocities ?
Im talking about Equality of the right of employment for Catholics which was only passed as law in the 1980s , John Hume was a family friend & set up the Derry housing association for the betterment of homes for catholics .
It became a lot harder for the loyalist Mobs to do things like Bombay street in 1968 or 69 in Belfast .
A united Ireland will kot be under the control of the EU .
That myth has been dashed , The 32 county will offer equality
For everyone as stated by SF probably even better for the protestant community .
The simple fact is the Protestant population is sbrinking fast
The Majority is Catholic & therefore would be brought up as Irish
The Union of 32 is coming , it wont be to many years away . |
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"I live on the interface or peaceline between shankill amd Springfield. Loyalists are having 'protests' at interface areas in the hope of provoking young nationalists/republicans. Loyalists feeling left behind and besieged after GFA and NI protocol.. No political representation for loyalist working class DUP always been middle class upper unionists
Yeah thats fair enough , but westminster cared 30 years ago .
They dont now , the only future.for the north will be the
union of the 32 counties, its a catholic voting majority this year for the 1st time ever & its only going to get bigger .
I hope the working Class protestants & Catholics eventually just put there heads together & say , we're pretty much the same
We love footy we love beer we love chasing a bit of skirt .
We love earning money lets just be mates .
The UK still pay more per person in the UK than they do for syrian , lebanese or any other economic migrant .
Not wanting to be offensive to you at all .
Just stating how its going to be there.
You do realise women live there as well "
Of course i do , but i was specifically talking about those
Who would be looking to fight each other ,
The Women are the Wise ones & dont do there brawling on the streets . My apologies if you felt i wasnt representing them .
After all the 1st & 2nd minister are both women . |
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Do I agree that the Republic of Ireland want us i bloody well dont lol. Why would any country want to take us on through political instability and not to mention communities that have long since been segregated from before the troubles or the war kicked off which ever you like to call it dont get hung up on words.
The orange state was gone long before the IRA decommissioned.. Bloody Sunday yes was wrong, internment was wrong yes no one is arguing about the morality of shite policies implemented on a country by another country who simply does not understand the problems, the issues nor the sensitivities.
You are making general assertions that everyone has the same political view in NI because of their religious back ground which is wholly incorrect.
Applying for irish passports means not having to pay that extra bit of money for visas into into countries and retains free movement. I myself upon brexit applied for a British one simply because with their future trade deals and such being made their will be MORE travel opportunities easier had with a british passport internationally than a passport soley only allowed free movement within the uk. That was my thinking and that was alot of peoples thinking.
Furthermore what the catholics had done to them is a very narrow narritive you arw reciting. History shows us including me who was involvednin street politics here for many years for anything to work here wether that be within the UK or a UI there cannot be a siege mentality forced upon any community, a united ireland wont work without true political inclusion of all our country men and tbh how Sinn fein behave in certain aspects would confirm to alot of people the equality for all slogan is equality for none.
I myself have long been a supporter of a UI, would never dream of voting for SF, but the brexit referendum you are right in saying has thrown up alot of issues and people seem to disregard the fact that it has brought up issues on a referendum the people have had no real discussiom on despite a bloody past. Do we deserve a referendum i believe so however if it was called anytime soon it would be defeated. Not enough genuine political work has been dome on the ground.
We do not know what a united ireland looks like nor do we understand what it will be. But a core aspect of a united ireland under the EU isnt a free ireland. Im not interested in a united ireland to change colour of the cloth, i am interested in a united ireland for the betterment an advancement of higher quality of life for all our people as every country should do, the problem is joining the Republic of ireland i believe does not do that in its current state.
Ps. What makes you think the EU cares about us? It wasnt that lomg ago they threated to out a land border up over vaccines something they lobbed against on brexit.
No one cares about ones own country more than the ordinary working class citizen politics nowadays isnt politics, its chess with a sole purpose of benefiting oneself who are in elected in power be that labour, tories, DUP or sinn fein.
Siege mentality wont work ?
The Island of Ireland is split into 2 parts because the siege was broken in 1922 when the provisional government set up
For the 26 counties before Dáil Éireann was official in 39 .
Why are you bringing up the atrocities ?
Im talking about Equality of the right of employment for Catholics which was only passed as law in the 1980s , John Hume was a family friend & set up the Derry housing association for the betterment of homes for catholics .
It became a lot harder for the loyalist Mobs to do things like Bombay street in 1968 or 69 in Belfast .
A united Ireland will kot be under the control of the EU .
That myth has been dashed , The 32 county will offer equality
For everyone as stated by SF probably even better for the protestant community .
The simple fact is the Protestant population is sbrinking fast
The Majority is Catholic & therefore would be brought up as Irish
The Union of 32 is coming , it wont be to many years away ."
Hoever to use your terminology , just because you are Catholic does not equate to support for a United Ireland. At best it means that a significant majority of Catholics are likely to support a United Ireland. Last time I checked support for a United Ireland was around 42 % for a United Ireland which is a very long way off the required majority .
I would suggest that if there was a ballot Financial Support would influence a considerable number of voters and the status quo would remain. Voting for a step into the Financial unknown and having to pay for the health service is not an attractive proposition to anyone . |
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"In what ways will it be better for the Protestants of Northern Ireland?"
I wouldnt know .
I said,
Protestants would be treated better in the sense that as EQUALS
They would be treated better as they have given up so much, to SHARE the land they live in . Like peaceful humans should . |
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"Do I agree that Britian dont want to retain us and pay for us, i do.
Do I agree that the Republic of Ireland want us i bloody well dont lol. Why would any country want to take us on through political instability and not to mention communities that have long since been segregated from before the troubles or the war kicked off which ever you like to call it dont get hung up on words.
The orange state was gone long before the IRA decommissioned.. Bloody Sunday yes was wrong, internment was wrong yes no one is arguing about the morality of shite policies implemented on a country by another country who simply does not understand the problems, the issues nor the sensitivities.
You are making general assertions that everyone has the same political view in NI because of their religious back ground which is wholly incorrect.
Applying for irish passports means not having to pay that extra bit of money for visas into into countries and retains free movement. I myself upon brexit applied for a British one simply because with their future trade deals and such being made their will be MORE travel opportunities easier had with a british passport internationally than a passport soley only allowed free movement within the uk. That was my thinking and that was alot of peoples thinking.
Furthermore what the catholics had done to them is a very narrow narritive you arw reciting. History shows us including me who was involvednin street politics here for many years for anything to work here wether that be within the UK or a UI there cannot be a siege mentality forced upon any community, a united ireland wont work without true political inclusion of all our country men and tbh how Sinn fein behave in certain aspects would confirm to alot of people the equality for all slogan is equality for none.
I myself have long been a supporter of a UI, would never dream of voting for SF, but the brexit referendum you are right in saying has thrown up alot of issues and people seem to disregard the fact that it has brought up issues on a referendum the people have had no real discussiom on despite a bloody past. Do we deserve a referendum i believe so however if it was called anytime soon it would be defeated. Not enough genuine political work has been dome on the ground.
We do not know what a united ireland looks like nor do we understand what it will be. But a core aspect of a united ireland under the EU isnt a free ireland. Im not interested in a united ireland to change colour of the cloth, i am interested in a united ireland for the betterment an advancement of higher quality of life for all our people as every country should do, the problem is joining the Republic of ireland i believe does not do that in its current state.
Ps. What makes you think the EU cares about us? It wasnt that lomg ago they threated to out a land border up over vaccines something they lobbed against on brexit.
No one cares about ones own country more than the ordinary working class citizen politics nowadays isnt politics, its chess with a sole purpose of benefiting oneself who are in elected in power be that labour, tories, DUP or sinn fein.
Siege mentality wont work ?
The Island of Ireland is split into 2 parts because the siege was broken in 1922 when the provisional government set up
For the 26 counties before Dáil Éireann was official in 39 .
Why are you bringing up the atrocities ?
Im talking about Equality of the right of employment for Catholics which was only passed as law in the 1980s , John Hume was a family friend & set up the Derry housing association for the betterment of homes for catholics .
It became a lot harder for the loyalist Mobs to do things like Bombay street in 1968 or 69 in Belfast .
A united Ireland will kot be under the control of the EU .
That myth has been dashed , The 32 county will offer equality
For everyone as stated by SF probably even better for the protestant community .
The simple fact is the Protestant population is sbrinking fast
The Majority is Catholic & therefore would be brought up as Irish
The Union of 32 is coming , it wont be to many years away . Hoever to use your terminology , just because you are Catholic does not equate to support for a United Ireland. At best it means that a significant majority of Catholics are likely to support a United Ireland. Last time I checked support for a United Ireland was around 42 % for a United Ireland which is a very long way off the required majority .
I would suggest that if there was a ballot Financial Support would influence a considerable number of voters and the status quo would remain. Voting for a step into the Financial unknown and having to pay for the health service is not an attractive proposition to anyone . "
That was when there was no ditinct possiblity of a united Ireland .
The last general election in the 26 counties the biggest party was SF ,
Whose leader is a Dublin Woman .
SF stands for a 32 county country so whatever you loiked at in the past is changing . |
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"In what ways will it be better for the Protestants of Northern Ireland?
I wouldnt know .
I said,
Protestants would be treated better in the sense that as EQUALS
They would be treated better as they have given up so much, to SHARE the land they live in . Like peaceful humans should ."
I'm interested in how this would happen. How would they be treated better? We can say anything we want but unless you could actually demonstrate that in real terms - what would it look like on the ground to the average person - it's just a notion that no-one will buy into.
And as another poster said, there is little to suggest that neither fiscally nor in terms of health care, anyone in Northern Ireland would benefit from a United Ireland. |
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"In what ways will it be better for the Protestants of Northern Ireland?
I wouldnt know .
I said,
Protestants would be treated better in the sense that as EQUALS
They would be treated better as they have given up so much, to SHARE the land they live in . Like peaceful humans should .
I'm interested in how this would happen. How would they be treated better? We can say anything we want but unless you could actually demonstrate that in real terms - what would it look like on the ground to the average person - it's just a notion that no-one will buy into.
And as another poster said, there is little to suggest that neither fiscally nor in terms of health care, anyone in Northern Ireland would benefit from a United Ireland. "
Can you explain in real terms
The next 100 days in your life ?
As for health care , are there No Hospitals in the Republic ?
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"In what ways will it be better for the Protestants of Northern Ireland?
I wouldnt know .
I said,
Protestants would be treated better in the sense that as EQUALS
They would be treated better as they have given up so much, to SHARE the land they live in . Like peaceful humans should .
I'm interested in how this would happen. How would they be treated better? We can say anything we want but unless you could actually demonstrate that in real terms - what would it look like on the ground to the average person - it's just a notion that no-one will buy into.
And as another poster said, there is little to suggest that neither fiscally nor in terms of health care, anyone in Northern Ireland would benefit from a United Ireland.
Can you explain in real terms
The next 100 days in your life ?
As for health care , are there No Hospitals in the Republic ?
Have they been empty during this pandemic ?"
I thought that the point was that unlike the UK , provision of health services in the South of Ireland is not free of charge .
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"In what ways will it be better for the Protestants of Northern Ireland?
I wouldnt know .
I said,
Protestants would be treated better in the sense that as EQUALS
They would be treated better as they have given up so much, to SHARE the land they live in . Like peaceful humans should .
I'm interested in how this would happen. How would they be treated better? We can say anything we want but unless you could actually demonstrate that in real terms - what would it look like on the ground to the average person - it's just a notion that no-one will buy into.
And as another poster said, there is little to suggest that neither fiscally nor in terms of health care, anyone in Northern Ireland would benefit from a United Ireland.
Can you explain in real terms
The next 100 days in your life ?
As for health care , are there No Hospitals in the Republic ?
Have they been empty during this pandemic ? I thought that the point was that unlike the UK , provision of health services in the South of Ireland is not free of charge .
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The 32 counties would supercede a 2 nation existence .
Lots of things will change , why not an NHS of sorts .
An extra 10% of tax then shall we say for the 6-7 million on the island .
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"In what ways will it be better for the Protestants of Northern Ireland?
I wouldnt know .
I said,
Protestants would be treated better in the sense that as EQUALS
They would be treated better as they have given up so much, to SHARE the land they live in . Like peaceful humans should .
I'm interested in how this would happen. How would they be treated better? We can say anything we want but unless you could actually demonstrate that in real terms - what would it look like on the ground to the average person - it's just a notion that no-one will buy into.
And as another poster said, there is little to suggest that neither fiscally nor in terms of health care, anyone in Northern Ireland would benefit from a United Ireland.
Can you explain in real terms
The next 100 days in your life ?
As for health care , are there No Hospitals in the Republic ?
Have they been empty during this pandemic ? I thought that the point was that unlike the UK , provision of health services in the South of Ireland is not free of charge .
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"In what ways will it be better for the Protestants of Northern Ireland?
I wouldnt know .
I said,
Protestants would be treated better in the sense that as EQUALS
They would be treated better as they have given up so much, to SHARE the land they live in . Like peaceful humans should .
I'm interested in how this would happen. How would they be treated better? We can say anything we want but unless you could actually demonstrate that in real terms - what would it look like on the ground to the average person - it's just a notion that no-one will buy into.
And as another poster said, there is little to suggest that neither fiscally nor in terms of health care, anyone in Northern Ireland would benefit from a United Ireland.
Can you explain in real terms
The next 100 days in your life ?
As for health care , are there No Hospitals in the Republic ?
Have they been empty during this pandemic ? I thought that the point was that unlike the UK , provision of health services in the South of Ireland is not free of charge .
If the NHS is free of charge . Where does it actually get its funding from if no one is paying for it ? "
The NHS in Norn Erne is padded out from Westminster .
More.costs to the people of Britain instead of those in the 32 counties (26+6) .
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"In what ways will it be better for the Protestants of Northern Ireland?
I wouldnt know .
I said,
Protestants would be treated better in the sense that as EQUALS
They would be treated better as they have given up so much, to SHARE the land they live in . Like peaceful humans should .
I'm interested in how this would happen. How would they be treated better? We can say anything we want but unless you could actually demonstrate that in real terms - what would it look like on the ground to the average person - it's just a notion that no-one will buy into.
And as another poster said, there is little to suggest that neither fiscally nor in terms of health care, anyone in Northern Ireland would benefit from a United Ireland.
Can you explain in real terms
The next 100 days in your life ?
As for health care , are there No Hospitals in the Republic ?
Have they been empty during this pandemic ? I thought that the point was that unlike the UK , provision of health services in the South of Ireland is not free of charge .
The 32 counties would supercede a 2 nation existence .
Lots of things will change , why not an NHS of sorts .
An extra 10% of tax then shall we say for the 6-7 million on the island .
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"A combination of things not just brexit, the failure of the police to prosecute some for breaking covid rules at a Sinn Fein funeral, marching season starting, lockdown fever and the usual criminal element trying to cause the police more work.
There biggest reasons for the rioting is the fact that a border was placed in part of the United Kingdom with effectively cuts it off from the rest of the United Kingdom. This is contrary to the Good Friday Agreement which agreed that Northern Irelands position in the uk was to remain until a majority to form a United Ireland was established by a border poll. That poll hasn’t been called yet but the uk citizens of Northern Ireland have been force into a united ireland against their consent. Just to clarify folks"
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"Bigger Catholic voting numbers does not equate to an automatic vote for A united Ireland infact there wouod be more catholics to vote to stay within the union than protestant to vote to unite the country.
Go as far as saying a vote for Sinn fein does not mean they want a UI just as those that vote for SNP dont always want an independent scotland. It is only one issue.
No offence at all i am not on the loyalist side anyhow.
You really think Catholics wouldnt vote for a United Ireland ?
Over a United Kingdom that has done what it has done to them
From the day the 6 counties became Northern Ireland .
You seem to forget the surge in Irish Passports by
Protestants before Brexit .
I understand what you say ahout the SNP ,
But Scotlands last 50-100 years has been very different to
what it was in The 6 counties .
Not only will it be a UI it will finally mean the 9 counties of Ulster can stand together .
Neither Dublin Or Westminster wants a return to
Covering the £3 billion they put in there just for rebuilding burnt out bombed out buildings ,
And that doesnt include the cost of everything else .
I read an article a few years back
It costs the uk £21 a day for every immigrant seeking assylum .
Its costs the UK 71 a day to support every person in the
Six counties .
Financially they dont want the problem .
Dublin will take the financial side on because the EU
Will support them .
I am sure quite a lot of people to whom you refer to as being Catholics were ( and still are) very glad of the support from the UK. Are people really going to vote for a big jump into the financially unknown and potentially make themselves worse off ? The Republic of Ireland does not have a free health service, paying for the health service is hardly a vote winner.
Applying for an Irish passport has nothing to do with support for a United Ireland. For a very small sum you can simply overcome any issues with freedom of movement . In addition having two passports is a useful insurance policy should you lose or forget one .
Of Course the Mass vote of Catholics will be for a
United Ireland.
British Citizens dont get support from the EU whereas Irish citizens can & do .
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D’ya really believe that ? More than a few in the Republic want nothing to do with Northern Ireland beyond normal business trade. More than a few certainly don’t want en extra few million to add to our own problems. While the idea of a 32 county Ireland sounds all cosy and romantic, we’ve enough problems down here without adding to them.
And more than a few are taking a certain kind of delight in watching what’s left of ‘the empire’ fall apart through it’s own stupidity... |
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There seems to be this consensus that it’s Catholic v Protestant ... well here’s a bit of news for ye, contrary to what you might think, Ireland (and I mean the Republic) turned its back on religion a long time ago. Without having to check any statistics I’d hazard a guess the the number of priests ordained in the past few years numbered in the single digits. Church numbers have been declining for decades. Picture the few thousand that turned up to see the Pope when he visited a few years ago to the millions that flocked to see the previous visit in the late 70’s. I would guess that more people lined the streets to see your Queen when she visited than did the Pope.
We’ve moved on... I remember being up North to a car race in Kirkistown only to find out that they don’t race on a Sunday up there... seems like observing the Lords Day seems like a stronger thing up there than down here.
These are two completely different ‘countries’ and cultures. The Republic has made its own way, good or bad in the past 100 years. The people of the 6 counties are more ‘British’ than they’d like to believe. Nothing wrong with that, but in many aspects ‘we’ and ‘them’ are centuries apart.
To expect them to suddenly embrace our way of doing things would be like asking your average Scot to take up speaking Welsh.
Where would the thousands of civil servants up there find work in a 32 county Ireland. Would you expect all the medical staff to suddenly embrace ditching the NHS in favour of our system (which is far from perfect)
When East and West Germany came together, it was two countries that didn’t want to be separated in the first place.
Apart from an early influx of migrants from the North who did not want to stay, the vast majority did chose to stay.
And if a simple thing like a ‘trade’ border is causing riots up there, I shudder to think what hell a border poll would bring.
And don’t be fooled into thinking that the riots are about a funeral. Do a big of research and find out exactly when that funeral took place... and ask yourself why was there no riots at the time. |
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Chief Constable Simon Byrne said the PSNI is currently assessing the letter, but he does not foresee any immediate threat of loyalist disorder or violence.
He was speaking at a meeting of the Northern Ireland Policing Board in Belfast.
The chief constable described it as "a political move".
"It is best dealt with by politicians… but as we sit here we do not see any immediate change in emotion or potential for disorder or violence coming from within the loyalist community," he added.
I think it has moved on from it being a political move.
Several paramilitary groups have already said the good friday agreement has been cancelled, this is due to brexit.
Some groups openly advertised the fact that they had increased the ranks, when brexit was first started. |
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"Bigger Catholic voting numbers does not equate to an automatic vote for A united Ireland infact there wouod be more catholics to vote to stay within the union than protestant to vote to unite the country.
Go as far as saying a vote for Sinn fein does not mean they want a UI just as those that vote for SNP dont always want an independent scotland. It is only one issue.
No offence at all i am not on the loyalist side anyhow.
You really think Catholics wouldnt vote for a United Ireland ?
Over a United Kingdom that has done what it has done to them
From the day the 6 counties became Northern Ireland .
You seem to forget the surge in Irish Passports by
Protestants before Brexit .
I understand what you say ahout the SNP ,
But Scotlands last 50-100 years has been very different to
what it was in The 6 counties .
Not only will it be a UI it will finally mean the 9 counties of Ulster can stand together .
Neither Dublin Or Westminster wants a return to
Covering the £3 billion they put in there just for rebuilding burnt out bombed out buildings ,
And that doesnt include the cost of everything else .
I read an article a few years back
It costs the uk £21 a day for every immigrant seeking assylum .
Its costs the UK 71 a day to support every person in the
Six counties .
Financially they dont want the problem .
Dublin will take the financial side on because the EU
Will support them .
I am sure quite a lot of people to whom you refer to as being Catholics were ( and still are) very glad of the support from the UK. Are people really going to vote for a big jump into the financially unknown and potentially make themselves worse off ? The Republic of Ireland does not have a free health service, paying for the health service is hardly a vote winner.
Applying for an Irish passport has nothing to do with support for a United Ireland. For a very small sum you can simply overcome any issues with freedom of movement . In addition having two passports is a useful insurance policy should you lose or forget one .
Of Course the Mass vote of Catholics will be for a
United Ireland.
British Citizens dont get support from the EU whereas Irish citizens can & do .
D’ya really believe that ? More than a few in the Republic want nothing to do with Northern Ireland beyond normal business trade. More than a few certainly don’t want en extra few million to add to our own problems. While the idea of a 32 county Ireland sounds all cosy and romantic, we’ve enough problems down here without adding to them.
And more than a few are taking a certain kind of delight in watching what’s left of ‘the empire’ fall apart through it’s own stupidity... "
The trouble witb the Republic is that it has always taken the easy way out . As long as they arent hurting us anymore
We can just say we want them back , but really we dont want the 6 counties.
No need to be scared anymore , the problem with Westminster has finished now. |
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"There seems to be this consensus that it’s Catholic v Protestant ... well here’s a bit of news for ye, contrary to what you might think, Ireland (and I mean the Republic) turned its back on religion a long time ago. Without having to check any statistics I’d hazard a guess the the number of priests ordained in the past few years numbered in the single digits. Church numbers have been declining for decades. Picture the few thousand that turned up to see the Pope when he visited a few years ago to the millions that flocked to see the previous visit in the late 70’s. I would guess that more people lined the streets to see your Queen when she visited than did the Pope.
We’ve moved on... I remember being up North to a car race in Kirkistown only to find out that they don’t race on a Sunday up there... seems like observing the Lords Day seems like a stronger thing up there than down here.
These are two completely different ‘countries’ and cultures. The Republic has made its own way, good or bad in the past 100 years. The people of the 6 counties are more ‘British’ than they’d like to believe. Nothing wrong with that, but in many aspects ‘we’ and ‘them’ are centuries apart.
To expect them to suddenly embrace our way of doing things would be like asking your average Scot to take up speaking Welsh.
Where would the thousands of civil servants up there find work in a 32 county Ireland. Would you expect all the medical staff to suddenly embrace ditching the NHS in favour of our system (which is far from perfect)
When East and West Germany came together, it was two countries that didn’t want to be separated in the first place.
Apart from an early influx of migrants from the North who did not want to stay, the vast majority did chose to stay.
And if a simple thing like a ‘trade’ border is causing riots up there, I shudder to think what hell a border poll would bring.
And don’t be fooled into thinking that the riots are about a funeral. Do a big of research and find out exactly when that funeral took place... and ask yourself why was there no riots at the time."
The fall in New Priests being ordained in the Republic has dropped 65-70 % since the Scandals that fell on the church of Rome .
My Queen ?
My Passport has a Harp on it ya Eejit, I just live in London,
No more Spurious History lessons needed from your good self .
As for Catholics & Protestants , do you think the Religons are important in the 6 counties ?
To a small numbe of the Older Generation maybe ,
To Everyone else its about an Identity .
Being Irish or Being British .
West Germany & East Germany didnt want to be seperated
But Ireland did , what a load of old tat you are speaking .
Lloyd George originally offered Ulster to the Unionist ,
But they refused 3 of the counties as that would mean they would have not had a Voting Majority there .
Stop being a Langer trying to teach me the History of the
Island I was born on , unless you have it spot on fella .
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"For someone who so wants a united ireland and to get rid of the nasty british how comes your happy to live in the mainland with all us bloodthirsty brits"
A very long story that has cost me so much opportunity .
Now im here to take the p155 & laugh at every opportunity .
When im done I will go Home
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"For someone who so wants a united ireland and to get rid of the nasty british how comes your happy to live in the mainland with all us bloodthirsty brits
A very long story that has cost me so much opportunity .
Now im here to take the p155 & laugh at every opportunity .
When im done I will go Home
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"For someone who so wants a united ireland and to get rid of the nasty british how comes your happy to live in the mainland with all us bloodthirsty brits
A very long story that has cost me so much opportunity .
Now im here to take the p155 & laugh at every opportunity .
When im done I will go Home
It must be terrible living somewhere you don't want to be im not surprised you are so bitter."
Im not Bitter .
Im Loving life .
Nothing better than Baiting people in my book
Other than the reason everyone is on this site.
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"For someone who so wants a united ireland and to get rid of the nasty british how comes your happy to live in the mainland with all us bloodthirsty brits
A very long story that has cost me so much opportunity .
Now im here to take the p155 & laugh at every opportunity .
When im done I will go Home
It must be terrible living somewhere you don't want to be im not surprised you are so bitter.
Im not Bitter .
Im Loving life .
Nothing better than Baiting people in my book
Other than the reason everyone is on this site.
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"For someone who so wants a united ireland and to get rid of the nasty british how comes your happy to live in the mainland with all us bloodthirsty brits
A very long story that has cost me so much opportunity .
Now im here to take the p155 & laugh at every opportunity .
When im done I will go Home
It must be terrible living somewhere you don't want to be im not surprised you are so bitter.
Im not Bitter .
Im Loving life .
Nothing better than Baiting people in my book
Other than the reason everyone is on this site.
Ahg right sorry i didnt realise that your posts are just about baiting people a strange trait for a swingers site. "
I bait those who want baiting in life IRL or here , anyone else gets to the non baiting person I am .
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Problem with the opinion that these big catholic numbers you speak about that vote for Sinn fein will indeed vote for a United Ireland simply arent true. Romantic notions of a United Ireland are not enough to see it through. Sinn fein had gains in the 26 largely to protest votes that can be confirmed as how poror they polled in the last presidential election. Sinn fein cant bring a referendum on irish unity its the people collectively its that simple |
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"Problem with the opinion that these big catholic numbers you speak about that vote for Sinn fein will indeed vote for a United Ireland simply arent true. Romantic notions of a United Ireland are not enough to see it through. Sinn fein had gains in the 26 largely to protest votes that can be confirmed as how poror they polled in the last presidential election. Sinn fein cant bring a referendum on irish unity its the people collectively its that simple "
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An interesting post on a United Ireland from a Northern Ireland newspaper .
But a closer look at the numbers suggest that the discussions rely on a false premise.
The range of support for a united Ireland reported by opinion polls in recent years has been bewilderingly large: from as low as 19%(Life & Times, 2016) to 46%, representing a narrow majority of those who had made up their minds (Lord Ashcroft, September 2019).
‘Shy nationalists’ have been mooted as the explanation for the discrepancies – a furtive species of nationalist that emerges only behind the secrecy of a smartphone or a polling booth. They represent a sort of mirror image to the fabled ‘garden centre unionist’, those who are more likely to be found admiring the azaleas than at an Orange Order parade but are deemed crucial to unionism’s electoral strength.
But on closer examination, the wildly differing polling is the consequence of a third, previously unidentified political species: the scundered unionist.
How do we know they’re there? I looked at all of the recent polling on a united Ireland and examined only those surveys where there was a clear question asking how respondents voted in a recent election or referendum. By comparing the turnouts implied by these responses with the actual turnouts, you can work out how many non-voters have been captured by the poll.
The correlation is clear.
The better the pollsters were at seeking out the views of those who did not vote, the lower the support the poll showed for a united Ireland.
The scale of the effect is dramatic: of polls that had at least half the proportion of non-voters as the wider electorate, none reported support for a united Ireland above 30%.
The polling industry is generally grappling with how to reach less politically-engaged registered voters in an era where people are less likely to answer their landline or own one at all.
Will Jennings, a professor of politics at Southampton University, said that falling response rates were making it harder for pollsters to reach beyond the politically active.
“When we conducted the inquiry into the poor performance of the pre-election opinion polls for the 2015 general election, we found that the sorts of people responding to surveys tended to report disproportionately high levels of political engagement”, he said. “So the polls had too many people who said they had voted in 2010… This pointed to the problem of polls reaching too few non-voters that you have noted.”
But the general problem of pollsters reaching too few non-voters is colliding here with a Northern Irish peculiarity.
Non-voters here are not apathetic, the evidence suggests, they are just turned off by orange-green politics. In the Northern Ireland parlance, the non-voters are Neithers.
“They are much more likely to say they are neither unionist nor nationalist and just won’t play the old politics”, said Professor Jon Tonge, of Liverpool University.
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"Problem with the opinion that these big catholic numbers you speak about that vote for Sinn fein will indeed vote for a United Ireland simply arent true. Romantic notions of a United Ireland are not enough to see it through. Sinn fein had gains in the 26 largely to protest votes that can be confirmed as how poror they polled in the last presidential election. Sinn fein cant bring a referendum on irish unity its the people collectively its that simple "
I hardly think it was a Protest vote .
Fine Gael & Fianna Fail are both swinging from the Gallows
8n political terms , the mess that has occured since the collapse of the celtic tiger has shown that both parties couldnt move away
From the politics of the 1920s .
Sinn Feins vote was massive & they didnt contest all of the parliamentary seats .
Had they have put more candidates up in places they didnt feel
The old 2 parties were strong , they.may well have knicked the extra votes to give them power .
To think SF is just a protest vote is absolute Gash .
Presidential Elections
The qualification to become president is to
Make sure you have the ability to lift &
present Sam & Liam !!
I agree with the one thing you have said that was correct .
Its the people who will deliver the referndum vote when it comes .
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"Problem with the opinion that these big catholic numbers you speak about that vote for Sinn fein will indeed vote for a United Ireland simply arent true. Romantic notions of a United Ireland are not enough to see it through. Sinn fein had gains in the 26 largely to protest votes that can be confirmed as how poror they polled in the last presidential election. Sinn fein cant bring a referendum on irish unity its the people collectively its that simple "
We won’t know how true the statement that Catholics in NI won’t vote for a UI is,until there’s an actual poll at some point
Also as a voter in the Republic,I think your wrong as a vote for SF being a protest vote
I wouldn’t vote for them,but it’s easy to see their appeal in comparison to the 2 civil war party’s.
At some point soon,probably after the next election
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"The inference that the kids involved in the current riots have little to no concept of the N Ireland protocol is probably correct.
However, throughout the three decades of recent troubles from the 1970’s through tto signing of the GFA, the riots and disturbances were also carried in the main by kids.
The kids are the ones who have always been used by political persuasions to agitate the society. They are just pawns in a bigger play and at least one side is hoping that these disturbances will provoke a bigger response from the other side so that escalation is ensured.
Be under no illusions, these disturbances have the N Ireland protocol in their roots. There is no reason for Loyalists (of any age) to be rioting in the streets other than they feel used, abused and ultimately thrown under the bus by Boris Johnson."
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"The inference that the kids involved in the current riots have little to no concept of the N Ireland protocol is probably correct.
However, throughout the three decades of recent troubles from the 1970’s through tto signing of the GFA, the riots and disturbances were also carried in the main by kids.
The kids are the ones who have always been used by political persuasions to agitate the society. They are just pawns in a bigger play and at least one side is hoping that these disturbances will provoke a bigger response from the other side so that escalation is ensured.
Be under no illusions, these disturbances have the N Ireland protocol in their roots. There is no reason for Loyalists (of any age) to be rioting in the streets other than they feel used, abused and ultimately thrown under the bus by Boris Johnson.
This and the fact that their traditional routes for drugs are compromised by the new customs protocols between UK and NI "
You've obviously not heard of the drug war in the republic then
Between Hutch gang & the Kinahan cartel .
Plenty of drugs could go north from the south .
Kinahan is being connected with the Boxing world
As the Money man , behind Tyson Fury & was the Man who set up MTK Global . Drugs are freely available anywhere you care to look .
The High court in Ireland is after him & he decided to scarper
off to Dubai .
Usual routes of drugs .
What a stupid statement
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"The inference that the kids involved in the current riots have little to no concept of the N Ireland protocol is probably correct.
However, throughout the three decades of recent troubles from the 1970’s through tto signing of the GFA, the riots and disturbances were also carried in the main by kids.
The kids are the ones who have always been used by political persuasions to agitate the society. They are just pawns in a bigger play and at least one side is hoping that these disturbances will provoke a bigger response from the other side so that escalation is ensured.
Be under no illusions, these disturbances have the N Ireland protocol in their roots. There is no reason for Loyalists (of any age) to be rioting in the streets other than they feel used, abused and ultimately thrown under the bus by Boris Johnson.
This and the fact that their traditional routes for drugs are compromised by the new customs protocols between UK and NI
You've obviously not heard of the drug war in the republic then
Between Hutch gang & the Kinahan cartel .
Plenty of drugs could go north from the south .
Kinahan is being connected with the Boxing world
As the Money man , behind Tyson Fury & was the Man who set up MTK Global . Drugs are freely available anywhere you care to look .
The High court in Ireland is after him & he decided to scarper
off to Dubai .
Usual routes of drugs .
What a stupid statement
"
"
Are you seriously trying to tell us that loyalists are sourcing all their drugs from the Republic which they hate?
Clearly clueless if you are
It’s well known that they are sourcing the vast majority of their supplies from sympathetic gangs in GB
And the extra border checks in NI ports will hinder this trade
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"The inference that the kids involved in the current riots have little to no concept of the N Ireland protocol is probably correct.
However, throughout the three decades of recent troubles from the 1970’s through tto signing of the GFA, the riots and disturbances were also carried in the main by kids.
The kids are the ones who have always been used by political persuasions to agitate the society. They are just pawns in a bigger play and at least one side is hoping that these disturbances will provoke a bigger response from the other side so that escalation is ensured.
Be under no illusions, these disturbances have the N Ireland protocol in their roots. There is no reason for Loyalists (of any age) to be rioting in the streets other than they feel used, abused and ultimately thrown under the bus by Boris Johnson.
This and the fact that their traditional routes for drugs are compromised by the new customs protocols between UK and NI
You've obviously not heard of the drug war in the republic then
Between Hutch gang & the Kinahan cartel .
Plenty of drugs could go north from the south .
Kinahan is being connected with the Boxing world
As the Money man , behind Tyson Fury & was the Man who set up MTK Global . Drugs are freely available anywhere you care to look .
The High court in Ireland is after him & he decided to scarper
off to Dubai .
Usual routes of drugs .
What a stupid statement
"
Are you seriously trying to tell us that loyalists are sourcing all their drugs from the Republic which they hate?
Clearly clueless if you are
It’s well known that they are sourcing the vast majority of their supplies from sympathetic gangs in GB
And the extra border checks in NI ports will hinder this trade
"
Nope .
Im telling you that drug dealers will source there goods from whoever
Has the stock .
No border checks between the 26 counties or the 6 .
As the biggest cocaine bust happened recently in Belgium & Germany ,
Supplies need to be sourced .
Especially now with so many checks between the EU & the uk .
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"The inference that the kids involved in the current riots have little to no concept of the N Ireland protocol is probably correct.
However, throughout the three decades of recent troubles from the 1970’s through tto signing of the GFA, the riots and disturbances were also carried in the main by kids.
The kids are the ones who have always been used by political persuasions to agitate the society. They are just pawns in a bigger play and at least one side is hoping that these disturbances will provoke a bigger response from the other side so that escalation is ensured.
Be under no illusions, these disturbances have the N Ireland protocol in their roots. There is no reason for Loyalists (of any age) to be rioting in the streets other than they feel used, abused and ultimately thrown under the bus by Boris Johnson.
This and the fact that their traditional routes for drugs are compromised by the new customs protocols between UK and NI
You've obviously not heard of the drug war in the republic then
Between Hutch gang & the Kinahan cartel .
Plenty of drugs could go north from the south .
Kinahan is being connected with the Boxing world
As the Money man , behind Tyson Fury & was the Man who set up MTK Global . Drugs are freely available anywhere you care to look .
The High court in Ireland is after him & he decided to scarper
off to Dubai .
Usual routes of drugs .
What a stupid statement
"
Are you seriously trying to tell us that loyalists are sourcing all their drugs from the Republic which they hate?
Clearly clueless if you are
It’s well known that they are sourcing the vast majority of their supplies from sympathetic gangs in GB
And the extra border checks in NI ports will hinder this trade
Nope .
Im telling you that drug dealers will source there goods from whoever
Has the stock .
No border checks between the 26 counties or the 6 .
As the biggest cocaine bust happened recently in Belgium & Germany ,
Supplies need to be sourced .
Especially now with so many checks between the EU & the uk .
"
As someone who has family in the upper echelons of the drug squad here
What you are saying is incorrect |
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"The inference that the kids involved in the current riots have little to no concept of the N Ireland protocol is probably correct.
However, throughout the three decades of recent troubles from the 1970’s through tto signing of the GFA, the riots and disturbances were also carried in the main by kids.
The kids are the ones who have always been used by political persuasions to agitate the society. They are just pawns in a bigger play and at least one side is hoping that these disturbances will provoke a bigger response from the other side so that escalation is ensured.
Be under no illusions, these disturbances have the N Ireland protocol in their roots. There is no reason for Loyalists (of any age) to be rioting in the streets other than they feel used, abused and ultimately thrown under the bus by Boris Johnson.
This and the fact that their traditional routes for drugs are compromised by the new customs protocols between UK and NI
You've obviously not heard of the drug war in the republic then
Between Hutch gang & the Kinahan cartel .
Plenty of drugs could go north from the south .
Kinahan is being connected with the Boxing world
As the Money man , behind Tyson Fury & was the Man who set up MTK Global . Drugs are freely available anywhere you care to look .
The High court in Ireland is after him & he decided to scarper
off to Dubai .
Usual routes of drugs .
What a stupid statement
"
Are you seriously trying to tell us that loyalists are sourcing all their drugs from the Republic which they hate?
Clearly clueless if you are
It’s well known that they are sourcing the vast majority of their supplies from sympathetic gangs in GB
And the extra border checks in NI ports will hinder this trade
Nope .
Im telling you that drug dealers will source there goods from whoever
Has the stock .
No border checks between the 26 counties or the 6 .
As the biggest cocaine bust happened recently in Belgium & Germany ,
Supplies need to be sourced .
Especially now with so many checks between the EU & the uk .
As someone who has family in the upper echelons of the drug squad here
What you are saying is incorrect "
Do you think ?
Is that the Gardai or P.S.N.I ?
Nice € 12 million seize by the Gardai in cork in February .
One of my cousins was involved in that find .
Its been a long time since operation seabight €750 million haul &
The year before the €440 million haul at Mizen Head .
They are just the runs that were found .
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over a year ago
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"The inference that the kids involved in the current riots have little to no concept of the N Ireland protocol is probably correct.
However, throughout the three decades of recent troubles from the 1970’s through tto signing of the GFA, the riots and disturbances were also carried in the main by kids.
The kids are the ones who have always been used by political persuasions to agitate the society. They are just pawns in a bigger play and at least one side is hoping that these disturbances will provoke a bigger response from the other side so that escalation is ensured.
Be under no illusions, these disturbances have the N Ireland protocol in their roots. There is no reason for Loyalists (of any age) to be rioting in the streets other than they feel used, abused and ultimately thrown under the bus by Boris Johnson.
This and the fact that their traditional routes for drugs are compromised by the new customs protocols between UK and NI
You've obviously not heard of the drug war in the republic then
Between Hutch gang & the Kinahan cartel .
Plenty of drugs could go north from the south .
Kinahan is being connected with the Boxing world
As the Money man , behind Tyson Fury & was the Man who set up MTK Global . Drugs are freely available anywhere you care to look .
The High court in Ireland is after him & he decided to scarper
off to Dubai .
Usual routes of drugs .
What a stupid statement
"
Are you seriously trying to tell us that loyalists are sourcing all their drugs from the Republic which they hate?
Clearly clueless if you are
It’s well known that they are sourcing the vast majority of their supplies from sympathetic gangs in GB
And the extra border checks in NI ports will hinder this trade
Nope .
Im telling you that drug dealers will source there goods from whoever
Has the stock .
No border checks between the 26 counties or the 6 .
As the biggest cocaine bust happened recently in Belgium & Germany ,
Supplies need to be sourced .
Especially now with so many checks between the EU & the uk .
As someone who has family in the upper echelons of the drug squad here
What you are saying is incorrect
Do you think ?
Is that the Gardai or P.S.N.I ?
Nice € 12 million seize by the Gardai in cork in February .
One of my cousins was involved in that find .
Its been a long time since operation seabight €750 million haul &
The year before the €440 million haul at Mizen Head .
They are just the runs that were found .
"
How much of any of that was destined for loyalist gangs in NI?
Also the larger finds were intercepted by the Irish authorities en route to the European market
Our geographic location means that this is often the case |
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over a year ago
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"The inference that the kids involved in the current riots have little to no concept of the N Ireland protocol is probably correct.
However, throughout the three decades of recent troubles from the 1970’s through tto signing of the GFA, the riots and disturbances were also carried in the main by kids.
The kids are the ones who have always been used by political persuasions to agitate the society. They are just pawns in a bigger play and at least one side is hoping that these disturbances will provoke a bigger response from the other side so that escalation is ensured.
Be under no illusions, these disturbances have the N Ireland protocol in their roots. There is no reason for Loyalists (of any age) to be rioting in the streets other than they feel used, abused and ultimately thrown under the bus by Boris Johnson.
This and the fact that their traditional routes for drugs are compromised by the new customs protocols between UK and NI
You've obviously not heard of the drug war in the republic then
Between Hutch gang & the Kinahan cartel .
Plenty of drugs could go north from the south .
Kinahan is being connected with the Boxing world
As the Money man , behind Tyson Fury & was the Man who set up MTK Global . Drugs are freely available anywhere you care to look .
The High court in Ireland is after him & he decided to scarper
off to Dubai .
Usual routes of drugs .
What a stupid statement
"
Are you seriously trying to tell us that loyalists are sourcing all their drugs from the Republic which they hate?
Clearly clueless if you are
It’s well known that they are sourcing the vast majority of their supplies from sympathetic gangs in GB
And the extra border checks in NI ports will hinder this trade
Nope .
Im telling you that drug dealers will source there goods from whoever
Has the stock .
No border checks between the 26 counties or the 6 .
As the biggest cocaine bust happened recently in Belgium & Germany ,
Supplies need to be sourced .
Especially now with so many checks between the EU & the uk .
As someone who has family in the upper echelons of the drug squad here
What you are saying is incorrect
Do you think ?
Is that the Gardai or P.S.N.I ?
Nice € 12 million seize by the Gardai in cork in February .
One of my cousins was involved in that find .
Its been a long time since operation seabight €750 million haul &
The year before the €440 million haul at Mizen Head .
They are just the runs that were found .
How much of any of that was destined for loyalist gangs in NI?
Also the larger finds were intercepted by the Irish authorities en route to the European market
Our geographic location means that this is often the case"
Exactly the point .
As i Said Drug dealers all need supplies . If usual routes are having difficulties , new routes & suppliers will be found .
No need to bring just loyalists into it , plenty of Nationalists want the old stomping powder to .
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"The inference that the kids involved in the current riots have little to no concept of the N Ireland protocol is probably correct.
However, throughout the three decades of recent troubles from the 1970’s through tto signing of the GFA, the riots and disturbances were also carried in the main by kids.
The kids are the ones who have always been used by political persuasions to agitate the society. They are just pawns in a bigger play and at least one side is hoping that these disturbances will provoke a bigger response from the other side so that escalation is ensured.
Be under no illusions, these disturbances have the N Ireland protocol in their roots. There is no reason for Loyalists (of any age) to be rioting in the streets other than they feel used, abused and ultimately thrown under the bus by Boris Johnson.
This and the fact that their traditional routes for drugs are compromised by the new customs protocols between UK and NI
You've obviously not heard of the drug war in the republic then
Between Hutch gang & the Kinahan cartel .
Plenty of drugs could go north from the south .
Kinahan is being connected with the Boxing world
As the Money man , behind Tyson Fury & was the Man who set up MTK Global . Drugs are freely available anywhere you care to look .
The High court in Ireland is after him & he decided to scarper
off to Dubai .
Usual routes of drugs .
What a stupid statement
"
Are you seriously trying to tell us that loyalists are sourcing all their drugs from the Republic which they hate?
Clearly clueless if you are
It’s well known that they are sourcing the vast majority of their supplies from sympathetic gangs in GB
And the extra border checks in NI ports will hinder this trade
Nope .
Im telling you that drug dealers will source there goods from whoever
Has the stock .
No border checks between the 26 counties or the 6 .
As the biggest cocaine bust happened recently in Belgium & Germany ,
Supplies need to be sourced .
Especially now with so many checks between the EU & the uk .
As someone who has family in the upper echelons of the drug squad here
What you are saying is incorrect
Do you think ?
Is that the Gardai or P.S.N.I ?
Nice € 12 million seize by the Gardai in cork in February .
One of my cousins was involved in that find .
Its been a long time since operation seabight €750 million haul &
The year before the €440 million haul at Mizen Head .
They are just the runs that were found .
How much of any of that was destined for loyalist gangs in NI?
Also the larger finds were intercepted by the Irish authorities en route to the European market
Our geographic location means that this is often the case
Exactly the point .
As i Said Drug dealers all need supplies . If usual routes are having difficulties , new routes & suppliers will be found .
No need to bring just loyalists into it , plenty of Nationalists want the old stomping powder to .
"
And yet the dissident republicans ain’t rioting over the extra border checks between NI and the Uk
Because they don’t source their product in the main from GB
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"The inference that the kids involved in the current riots have little to no concept of the N Ireland protocol is probably correct.
However, throughout the three decades of recent troubles from the 1970’s through tto signing of the GFA, the riots and disturbances were also carried in the main by kids.
The kids are the ones who have always been used by political persuasions to agitate the society. They are just pawns in a bigger play and at least one side is hoping that these disturbances will provoke a bigger response from the other side so that escalation is ensured.
Be under no illusions, these disturbances have the N Ireland protocol in their roots. There is no reason for Loyalists (of any age) to be rioting in the streets other than they feel used, abused and ultimately thrown under the bus by Boris Johnson.
This and the fact that their traditional routes for drugs are compromised by the new customs protocols between UK and NI
You've obviously not heard of the drug war in the republic then
Between Hutch gang & the Kinahan cartel .
Plenty of drugs could go north from the south .
Kinahan is being connected with the Boxing world
As the Money man , behind Tyson Fury & was the Man who set up MTK Global . Drugs are freely available anywhere you care to look .
The High court in Ireland is after him & he decided to scarper
off to Dubai .
Usual routes of drugs .
What a stupid statement
"
Are you seriously trying to tell us that loyalists are sourcing all their drugs from the Republic which they hate?
Clearly clueless if you are
It’s well known that they are sourcing the vast majority of their supplies from sympathetic gangs in GB
And the extra border checks in NI ports will hinder this trade
Nope .
Im telling you that drug dealers will source there goods from whoever
Has the stock .
No border checks between the 26 counties or the 6 .
As the biggest cocaine bust happened recently in Belgium & Germany ,
Supplies need to be sourced .
Especially now with so many checks between the EU & the uk .
As someone who has family in the upper echelons of the drug squad here
What you are saying is incorrect
Do you think ?
Is that the Gardai or P.S.N.I ?
Nice € 12 million seize by the Gardai in cork in February .
One of my cousins was involved in that find .
Its been a long time since operation seabight €750 million haul &
The year before the €440 million haul at Mizen Head .
They are just the runs that were found .
How much of any of that was destined for loyalist gangs in NI?
Also the larger finds were intercepted by the Irish authorities en route to the European market
Our geographic location means that this is often the case
Exactly the point .
As i Said Drug dealers all need supplies . If usual routes are having difficulties , new routes & suppliers will be found .
No need to bring just loyalists into it , plenty of Nationalists want the old stomping powder to .
And yet the dissident republicans ain’t rioting over the extra border checks between NI and the Uk
Because they don’t source their product in the main from GB
Hopefully the penny is finally dropping for you"
Why does the penny need to drop ?
Ive never said the nationalist or loyalist groups get there drugs from x y or z .
I have just pointed out , that if a supply breaks down & demand is high
A product will always be found elsewhere .
I do wish people would just read a post rather than think that i am inferring something else .
BTW , you still didnt answer
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"The inference that the kids involved in the current riots have little to no concept of the N Ireland protocol is probably correct.
However, throughout the three decades of recent troubles from the 1970’s through tto signing of the GFA, the riots and disturbances were also carried in the main by kids.
The kids are the ones who have always been used by political persuasions to agitate the society. They are just pawns in a bigger play and at least one side is hoping that these disturbances will provoke a bigger response from the other side so that escalation is ensured.
Be under no illusions, these disturbances have the N Ireland protocol in their roots. There is no reason for Loyalists (of any age) to be rioting in the streets other than they feel used, abused and ultimately thrown under the bus by Boris Johnson.
This and the fact that their traditional routes for drugs are compromised by the new customs protocols between UK and NI
You've obviously not heard of the drug war in the republic then
Between Hutch gang & the Kinahan cartel .
Plenty of drugs could go north from the south .
Kinahan is being connected with the Boxing world
As the Money man , behind Tyson Fury & was the Man who set up MTK Global . Drugs are freely available anywhere you care to look .
The High court in Ireland is after him & he decided to scarper
off to Dubai .
Usual routes of drugs .
What a stupid statement
"
Are you seriously trying to tell us that loyalists are sourcing all their drugs from the Republic which they hate?
Clearly clueless if you are
It’s well known that they are sourcing the vast majority of their supplies from sympathetic gangs in GB
And the extra border checks in NI ports will hinder this trade
Nope .
Im telling you that drug dealers will source there goods from whoever
Has the stock .
No border checks between the 26 counties or the 6 .
As the biggest cocaine bust happened recently in Belgium & Germany ,
Supplies need to be sourced .
Especially now with so many checks between the EU & the uk .
As someone who has family in the upper echelons of the drug squad here
What you are saying is incorrect
Do you think ?
Is that the Gardai or P.S.N.I ?
Nice € 12 million seize by the Gardai in cork in February .
One of my cousins was involved in that find .
Its been a long time since operation seabight €750 million haul &
The year before the €440 million haul at Mizen Head .
They are just the runs that were found .
How much of any of that was destined for loyalist gangs in NI?
Also the larger finds were intercepted by the Irish authorities en route to the European market
Our geographic location means that this is often the case
Exactly the point .
As i Said Drug dealers all need supplies . If usual routes are having difficulties , new routes & suppliers will be found .
No need to bring just loyalists into it , plenty of Nationalists want the old stomping powder to .
And yet the dissident republicans ain’t rioting over the extra border checks between NI and the Uk
Because they don’t source their product in the main from GB
Hopefully the penny is finally dropping for you
Why does the penny need to drop ?
Ive never said the nationalist or loyalist groups get there drugs from x y or z .
I have just pointed out , that if a supply breaks down & demand is high
A product will always be found elsewhere .
I do wish people would just read a post rather than think that i am inferring something else .
BTW , you still didnt answer
PSNI or Gardai ? "
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"The inference that the kids involved in the current riots have little to no concept of the N Ireland protocol is probably correct.
However, throughout the three decades of recent troubles from the 1970’s through tto signing of the GFA, the riots and disturbances were also carried in the main by kids.
The kids are the ones who have always been used by political persuasions to agitate the society. They are just pawns in a bigger play and at least one side is hoping that these disturbances will provoke a bigger response from the other side so that escalation is ensured.
Be under no illusions, these disturbances have the N Ireland protocol in their roots. There is no reason for Loyalists (of any age) to be rioting in the streets other than they feel used, abused and ultimately thrown under the bus by Boris Johnson.
This and the fact that their traditional routes for drugs are compromised by the new customs protocols between UK and NI
You've obviously not heard of the drug war in the republic then
Between Hutch gang & the Kinahan cartel .
Plenty of drugs could go north from the south .
Kinahan is being connected with the Boxing world
As the Money man , behind Tyson Fury & was the Man who set up MTK Global . Drugs are freely available anywhere you care to look .
The High court in Ireland is after him & he decided to scarper
off to Dubai .
Usual routes of drugs .
What a stupid statement
"
Are you seriously trying to tell us that loyalists are sourcing all their drugs from the Republic which they hate?
Clearly clueless if you are
It’s well known that they are sourcing the vast majority of their supplies from sympathetic gangs in GB
And the extra border checks in NI ports will hinder this trade
Nope .
Im telling you that drug dealers will source there goods from whoever
Has the stock .
No border checks between the 26 counties or the 6 .
As the biggest cocaine bust happened recently in Belgium & Germany ,
Supplies need to be sourced .
Especially now with so many checks between the EU & the uk .
As someone who has family in the upper echelons of the drug squad here
What you are saying is incorrect
Do you think ?
Is that the Gardai or P.S.N.I ?
Nice € 12 million seize by the Gardai in cork in February .
One of my cousins was involved in that find .
Its been a long time since operation seabight €750 million haul &
The year before the €440 million haul at Mizen Head .
They are just the runs that were found .
How much of any of that was destined for loyalist gangs in NI?
Also the larger finds were intercepted by the Irish authorities en route to the European market
Our geographic location means that this is often the case
Exactly the point .
As i Said Drug dealers all need supplies . If usual routes are having difficulties , new routes & suppliers will be found .
No need to bring just loyalists into it , plenty of Nationalists want the old stomping powder to .
And yet the dissident republicans ain’t rioting over the extra border checks between NI and the Uk
Because they don’t source their product in the main from GB
Hopefully the penny is finally dropping for you
Why does the penny need to drop ?
Ive never said the nationalist or loyalist groups get there drugs from x y or z .
I have just pointed out , that if a supply breaks down & demand is high
A product will always be found elsewhere .
I do wish people would just read a post rather than think that i am inferring something else .
BTW , you still didnt answer
PSNI or Gardai ?
And I don’t have to answer "
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