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"Do you mean you think it's wrong that he used the images or wrong that they are calling for him to be sacked?" Wrong that he has been suspended. How does that tally with freedom of speech? | |||
"Do you mean you think it's wrong that he used the images or wrong that they are calling for him to be sacked? Wrong that he has been suspended. How does that tally with freedom of speech?" Touchy subject.  | |||
"Do you mean you think it's wrong that he used the images or wrong that they are calling for him to be sacked? Wrong that he has been suspended. How does that tally with freedom of speech?" I thought hate speech had now been defined as anything that 'offends' so I'd say he's well and truly fucked. People should be careful what they wish for | |||
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"What was inappropriate about the cartoon? Using cartoon depictions of the prophet Mohamed has previously led to very tragic events. " It'll take a few days to drum up enough outrage. Welcome to the UK in 2021 | |||
"What was inappropriate about the cartoon? Using cartoon depictions of the prophet Mohamed has previously led to very tragic events. It'll take a few days to drum up enough outrage. Welcome to the UK in 2021 " Yes probably the weekend | |||
"What was inappropriate about the cartoon? Using cartoon depictions of the prophet Mohamed has previously led to very tragic events. It'll take a few days to drum up enough outrage. Welcome to the UK in 2021 Yes probably the weekend " We had our crazy fun last year. It's the UK turn. | |||
"What was inappropriate about the cartoon? Using cartoon depictions of the prophet Mohamed has previously led to very tragic events. It'll take a few days to drum up enough outrage. Welcome to the UK in 2021 Yes probably the weekend " I hope the teacher and his family are in hiding by then | |||
"Do you mean you think it's wrong that he used the images or wrong that they are calling for him to be sacked? Wrong that he has been suspended. How does that tally with freedom of speech? I thought hate speech had now been defined as anything that 'offends' so I'd say he's well and truly fucked. People should be careful what they wish for" So how does that stack up against free speech? | |||
"Do you mean you think it's wrong that he used the images or wrong that they are calling for him to be sacked? Wrong that he has been suspended. How does that tally with freedom of speech? I thought hate speech had now been defined as anything that 'offends' so I'd say he's well and truly fucked. People should be careful what they wish for So how does that stack up against free speech?" It doesn't dear boy | |||
"What was inappropriate about the cartoon? Using cartoon depictions of the prophet Mohamed has previously led to very tragic events. It'll take a few days to drum up enough outrage. Welcome to the UK in 2021 Yes probably the weekend I hope the teacher and his family are in hiding by then" the point is they shouldn’t need to be in hiding tho | |||
"What was inappropriate about the cartoon? Using cartoon depictions of the prophet Mohamed has previously led to very tragic events. It'll take a few days to drum up enough outrage. Welcome to the UK in 2021 Yes probably the weekend I hope the teacher and his family are in hiding by thenthe point is they shouldn’t need to be in hiding tho " It just says the teacher has been suspended but considering what has happened previously I hope he/she is being careful. | |||
"What was inappropriate about the cartoon? Using cartoon depictions of the prophet Mohamed has previously led to very tragic events. It'll take a few days to drum up enough outrage. Welcome to the UK in 2021 Yes probably the weekend I hope the teacher and his family are in hiding by thenthe point is they shouldn’t need to be in hiding tho It just says the teacher has been suspended but considering what has happened previously I hope he/she is being careful." do you think he or she was being racist or it was a honest mistake ? | |||
"What was inappropriate about the cartoon? Using cartoon depictions of the prophet Mohamed has previously led to very tragic events. It'll take a few days to drum up enough outrage. Welcome to the UK in 2021 Yes probably the weekend I hope the teacher and his family are in hiding by thenthe point is they shouldn’t need to be in hiding tho It just says the teacher has been suspended but considering what has happened previously I hope he/she is being careful.do you think he or she was being racist or it was a honest mistake ?" We dont know the full circumstances.. I wouldn't say it was racist at all..I'm not even sure it was a mistake. We are on very rocky ground if you can only teach stuff that doesnt upset someone. | |||
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"What was inappropriate about the cartoon? Using cartoon depictions of the prophet Mohamed has previously led to very tragic events. It'll take a few days to drum up enough outrage. Welcome to the UK in 2021 Yes probably the weekend I hope the teacher and his family are in hiding by thenthe point is they shouldn’t need to be in hiding tho " Yes I agree. I was being flippant. I'm just surprised that people are still surprised by these incidents | |||
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"It sounds like he made annhonest mistake, but who knows? In light of the issues & deaths in France I think the teacher was ill advised to do this. On the wider issue, we need to get rid of religious schools and make sure that all children are given a grounding in both monotheistic religions and polytheism, as well as atheism and being agnostic. We need to have an awareness and understanding of other views, but also the opportunity to discuss differences." But if the teacher was say giving a lesson on free speech versus religious freedom, the Charlie hebdo thing would be part of that? Like I said can we now only teach stuff that doesnt upset anyone.? | |||
"It sounds like he made annhonest mistake, but who knows? In light of the issues & deaths in France I think the teacher was ill advised to do this. On the wider issue, we need to get rid of religious schools and make sure that all children are given a grounding in both monotheistic religions and polytheism, as well as atheism and being agnostic. We need to have an awareness and understanding of other views, but also the opportunity to discuss differences. But if the teacher was say giving a lesson on free speech versus religious freedom, the Charlie hebdo thing would be part of that? Like I said can we now only teach stuff that doesnt upset anyone.?" Yup pretty much | |||
"It sounds like he made annhonest mistake, but who knows? In light of the issues & deaths in France I think the teacher was ill advised to do this. On the wider issue, we need to get rid of religious schools and make sure that all children are given a grounding in both monotheistic religions and polytheism, as well as atheism and being agnostic. We need to have an awareness and understanding of other views, but also the opportunity to discuss differences. But if the teacher was say giving a lesson on free speech versus religious freedom, the Charlie hebdo thing would be part of that? Like I said can we now only teach stuff that doesnt upset anyone.? Yup pretty much " I don’t think you need to show the Charlie Hebdo cartoon to discuss religious differences. Choosing to do so seems unduly provocative. | |||
"It sounds like he made annhonest mistake, but who knows? In light of the issues & deaths in France I think the teacher was ill advised to do this. On the wider issue, we need to get rid of religious schools and make sure that all children are given a grounding in both monotheistic religions and polytheism, as well as atheism and being agnostic. We need to have an awareness and understanding of other views, but also the opportunity to discuss differences. But if the teacher was say giving a lesson on free speech versus religious freedom, the Charlie hebdo thing would be part of that? Like I said can we now only teach stuff that doesnt upset anyone.?" yep it’s the uk Lionel last thing we can do is upset someone lol | |||
"It sounds like he made annhonest mistake, but who knows? In light of the issues & deaths in France I think the teacher was ill advised to do this. On the wider issue, we need to get rid of religious schools and make sure that all children are given a grounding in both monotheistic religions and polytheism, as well as atheism and being agnostic. We need to have an awareness and understanding of other views, but also the opportunity to discuss differences. But if the teacher was say giving a lesson on free speech versus religious freedom, the Charlie hebdo thing would be part of that? Like I said can we now only teach stuff that doesnt upset anyone.?yep it’s the uk Lionel last thing we can do is upset someone lol" Brought it on ourselves | |||
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"I remember Dave Allen being called a blasphemer by the Catholic Church and their religious followers many many years ago. As a comedian they were bore the brunt of his satire but over the years I think more people became desensitised about their Christian beleifs. Mel Brooks did similar with Judaism. Maybe this is what needs to happen with other religions. " don’t forget father ted lol | |||
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"And when people saw this coming years ago they were labelled as right wing, xenophobic, islamophobic et al And so here we are" And they were foolish to back down and be silenced by a minority who feel the need to shout down as opposed to debate the topic. | |||
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" We had our crazy fun last year. It's the UK turn. "Tuesday, March 16 Atlanta, Georgia Eight people, including six Asian women, were killed when a White gunman stormed three spas, police said. Wednesday, March 17 Stockton, California Five people who were preparing a vigil in Stockton, in California's Central Valley, were shot in a drive-by shooting, the San Joaquin Sheriff's Department said. None had life-threatening injuries. Thursday, March 18 Gresham, Oregon Four victims were taken to the hospital after a shooting in the city east of Portland, police said in an initial report. Saturday, March 20 Houston Five people were shot after a disturbance inside a club, according to police. One was in critical condition after being shot in the neck, the rest were in stable condition, according to CNN affiliate KPRC. Saturday, March 20 Dallas Eight people were shot by an unknown assailant, one of whom died, according to police. Saturday, March 20 Philadelphia Monday, March 22 Boulder, Colorado Ten people, including a Boulder police officer, were killed in a shooting at the King Soopers supermarket, according to police * * * * * Please stop comparing Occasional Madness in the U.K to the utter Lunacy that happens in the States ! | |||
"Do you mean you think it's wrong that he used the images or wrong that they are calling for him to be sacked? Wrong that he has been suspended. How does that tally with freedom of speech? I thought hate speech had now been defined as anything that 'offends' so I'd say he's well and truly fucked. People should be careful what they wish for So how does that stack up against free speech?" There are many restrictions on free speech in this country now we all are meant to be politically correct it is not good | |||
"I'm sorry but Just Stop with your bullsh*t ! We had our crazy fun last year. It's the UK turn.
Tuesday, March 16
Atlanta, Georgia
Eight people, including six Asian women, were killed when a White gunman stormed three spas, police said.
Wednesday, March 17
Stockton, California
Five people who were preparing a vigil in Stockton, in California's Central Valley, were shot in a drive-by shooting, the San Joaquin Sheriff's Department said. None had life-threatening injuries.
Thursday, March 18
Gresham, Oregon
Four victims were taken to the hospital after a shooting in the city east of Portland, police said in an initial report.
Saturday, March 20
Houston
Five people were shot after a disturbance inside a club, according to police. One was in critical condition after being shot in the neck, the rest were in stable condition, according to CNN affiliate KPRC.
Saturday, March 20
Dallas
Eight people were shot by an unknown assailant, one of whom died, according to police.
Saturday, March 20
Philadelphia
Monday, March 22
Boulder, Colorado
Ten people, including a Boulder police officer, were killed in a shooting at the King Soopers supermarket, according to police
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Please stop comparing Occasional Madness in the U.K to the utter Lunacy that happens in the States !
"And ? Triggered are we ? This was a post of freedom of speech not 2A . But hey indulge me in another post if you feel the need. You will just be embarrassed. | |||
"I'm sorry but Just Stop with your bullsh*t ! We had our crazy fun last year. It's the UK turn.
Tuesday, March 16
Atlanta, Georgia
Eight people, including six Asian women, were killed when a White gunman stormed three spas, police said.
Wednesday, March 17
Stockton, California
Five people who were preparing a vigil in Stockton, in California's Central Valley, were shot in a drive-by shooting, the San Joaquin Sheriff's Department said. None had life-threatening injuries.
Thursday, March 18
Gresham, Oregon
Four victims were taken to the hospital after a shooting in the city east of Portland, police said in an initial report.
Saturday, March 20
Houston
Five people were shot after a disturbance inside a club, according to police. One was in critical condition after being shot in the neck, the rest were in stable condition, according to CNN affiliate KPRC.
Saturday, March 20
Dallas
Eight people were shot by an unknown assailant, one of whom died, according to police.
Saturday, March 20
Philadelphia
Monday, March 22
Boulder, Colorado
Ten people, including a Boulder police officer, were killed in a shooting at the King Soopers supermarket, according to police
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Please stop comparing Occasional Madness in the U.K to the utter Lunacy that happens in the States !
And ? Triggered are we ? This was a post of freedom of speech not 2A . But hey indulge me in another post if you feel the need. You will just be embarrassed. "The Only Triggering done by americans , usually pointing firearms at innocent people | |||
"I'm sorry but Just Stop with your bullsh*t ! We had our crazy fun last year. It's the UK turn.
Tuesday, March 16
Atlanta, Georgia
Eight people, including six Asian women, were killed when a White gunman stormed three spas, police said.
Wednesday, March 17
Stockton, California
Five people who were preparing a vigil in Stockton, in California's Central Valley, were shot in a drive-by shooting, the San Joaquin Sheriff's Department said. None had life-threatening injuries.
Thursday, March 18
Gresham, Oregon
Four victims were taken to the hospital after a shooting in the city east of Portland, police said in an initial report.
Saturday, March 20
Houston
Five people were shot after a disturbance inside a club, according to police. One was in critical condition after being shot in the neck, the rest were in stable condition, according to CNN affiliate KPRC.
Saturday, March 20
Dallas
Eight people were shot by an unknown assailant, one of whom died, according to police.
Saturday, March 20
Philadelphia
Monday, March 22
Boulder, Colorado
Ten people, including a Boulder police officer, were killed in a shooting at the King Soopers supermarket, according to police
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Please stop comparing Occasional Madness in the U.K to the utter Lunacy that happens in the States !
And ? Triggered are we ? This was a post of freedom of speech not 2A . But hey indulge me in another post if you feel the need. You will just be embarrassed.
The Only Triggering done by americans , usually pointing firearms at innocent people
"I not pointing any weapon at innocent. It's easy for you to assume isn't it. But once again this was lionel posting freedom of speech not in UK and the effects. I know it hard for you to comprehend. It's ok you need a hug ?  | |||
"It sounds like he made annhonest mistake, but who knows? In light of the issues & deaths in France I think the teacher was ill advised to do this. On the wider issue, we need to get rid of religious schools and make sure that all children are given a grounding in both monotheistic religions and polytheism, as well as atheism and being agnostic. We need to have an awareness and understanding of other views, but also the opportunity to discuss differences. But if the teacher was say giving a lesson on free speech versus religious freedom, the Charlie hebdo thing would be part of that? Like I said can we now only teach stuff that doesnt upset anyone.? Yup pretty much I don’t think you need to show the Charlie Hebdo cartoon to discuss religious differences. Choosing to do so seems unduly provocative. " It's this for me. Any image of the prophet is offensive to a Muslim and if he's teaching a class then he knows exactly what he is doing. What about him teaching the kids about the 10 commandments by getting them to break a few? Hardcore porn in sex education lessons? No safety goggles in science lessons to teach them a life lesson? If that teacher didn't know what the reaction was going to be then he's in the wrong job. And for anyone who shouts "but we're a Christian country!", how often do you go to church? | |||
"It sounds like he made annhonest mistake, but who knows? In light of the issues & deaths in France I think the teacher was ill advised to do this. On the wider issue, we need to get rid of religious schools and make sure that all children are given a grounding in both monotheistic religions and polytheism, as well as atheism and being agnostic. We need to have an awareness and understanding of other views, but also the opportunity to discuss differences. But if the teacher was say giving a lesson on free speech versus religious freedom, the Charlie hebdo thing would be part of that? Like I said can we now only teach stuff that doesnt upset anyone.? Yup pretty much I don’t think you need to show the Charlie Hebdo cartoon to discuss religious differences. Choosing to do so seems unduly provocative. It's this for me. Any image of the prophet is offensive to a Muslim and if he's teaching a class then he knows exactly what he is doing. What about him teaching the kids about the 10 commandments by getting them to break a few? Hardcore porn in sex education lessons? No safety goggles in science lessons to teach them a life lesson? If that teacher didn't know what the reaction was going to be then he's in the wrong job. And for anyone who shouts "but we're a Christian country!", how often do you go to church? " Dont agree. I'm not massively religious but you can take the piss out of 1 religion but walk on eggshells around the other? We also dont know the full circumstances around the case yet. When this happened previously, the teacher gave the opportunity for anyone who would be potentially offended to leave the room.Id be shocked if the teacher hadn't done the same thing in this case. | |||
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"I don't think the UK has blasphemy laws. The school has been bullied into suspending the teacher and forcing an apology. I'm not sure we should be ruled by this kind of pressure, regardless of which religion or culture it is." Agreed. | |||
"I don't think the UK has blasphemy laws. The school has been bullied into suspending the teacher and forcing an apology. I'm not sure we should be ruled by this kind of pressure, regardless of which religion or culture it is. Agreed."  | |||
" If that teacher didn't know what the reaction was going to be then he's in the wrong job. I'm not massively religious but you can take the piss out of 1 religion but walk on eggshells around the other? " Agree on the first point, on the second not sure it's the right standard or benchmark to use.. It's akin to someone saying I'm going to punch you and it's ok as I punch 'Bob' and he doesn't complain.. Also giving people the option of not being in a room as they might get offended only serves to say offence is about to occur against whatever it is.. Not sure why any teacher needs to offend any particular religion in order to teach about an aspect of any religion.. Not condoning any threats made to anyone.. | |||
" If that teacher didn't know what the reaction was going to be then he's in the wrong job. I'm not massively religious but you can take the piss out of 1 religion but walk on eggshells around the other? Agree on the first point, on the second not sure it's the right standard or benchmark to use.. It's akin to someone saying I'm going to punch you and it's ok as I punch 'Bob' and he doesn't complain.. Also giving people the option of not being in a room as they might get offended only serves to say offence is about to occur against whatever it is.. Not sure why any teacher needs to offend any particular religion in order to teach about an aspect of any religion.. Not condoning any threats made to anyone.." But the argument was that because you dont go to church, you have no right to be offended. I'm certainly no Christian zealot but if you cant do anything which may upset a Muslim surely the same criteria should be applied to every religion? The parents also sent around a news letter which compared the teachers actions to genocide. For once in my life I'm agreeing with Birmingham weekender. | |||
"I don't think the UK has blasphemy laws. The school has been bullied into suspending the teacher and forcing an apology. I'm not sure we should be ruled by this kind of pressure, regardless of which religion or culture it is." well said | |||
" If that teacher didn't know what the reaction was going to be then he's in the wrong job. I'm not massively religious but you can take the piss out of 1 religion but walk on eggshells around the other? Agree on the first point, on the second not sure it's the right standard or benchmark to use.. It's akin to someone saying I'm going to punch you and it's ok as I punch 'Bob' and he doesn't complain.. Also giving people the option of not being in a room as they might get offended only serves to say offence is about to occur against whatever it is.. Not sure why any teacher needs to offend any particular religion in order to teach about an aspect of any religion.. Not condoning any threats made to anyone.. But the argument was that because you dont go to church, you have no right to be offended. I'm certainly no Christian zealot but if you cant do anything which may upset a Muslim surely the same criteria should be applied to every religion? The parents also sent around a news letter which compared the teachers actions to genocide. For once in my life I'm agreeing with Birmingham weekender. " Surely this so called pressure, probably meaning the reaction to offending is negated by not offending? Why make a rod for ones own back.. The argument could be made there's too much sensitivity by one religion to being offended but if that's the case then why do it further if it's not necessary? | |||
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"I don't think the UK has blasphemy laws. The school has been bullied into suspending the teacher and forcing an apology. I'm not sure we should be ruled by this kind of pressure, regardless of which religion or culture it is. Agreed." This makes me feel very uncomfortable on a Friday, I’m in a politics forum on the same side as Lionel. The worlds all gone topsy turvy | |||
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"I don't think the UK has blasphemy laws. The school has been bullied into suspending the teacher and forcing an apology. I'm not sure we should be ruled by this kind of pressure, regardless of which religion or culture it is. Agreed. This makes me feel very uncomfortable on a Friday, I’m in a politics forum on the same side as Lionel. The worlds all gone topsy turvy "  | |||
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"I don't think the UK has blasphemy laws. The school has been bullied into suspending the teacher and forcing an apology. I'm not sure we should be ruled by this kind of pressure, regardless of which religion or culture it is. Agreed. This makes me feel very uncomfortable on a Friday, I’m in a politics forum on the same side as Lionel. The worlds all gone topsy turvy "I know I am the same | |||
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"It used to be black people, Irish, Jewish, heugeneot, Catholics.. The establishment, media etc and the need to blame a group to keep division rife.. " Like I said in the op though ,I think this is just playing into the hands of the likes of the mail. If the teacher has said..if anyone may take offence at this may not be required to take the lesson..then we are on extremely shaky ground. Say you were a white kid and you were learning about the Charlie Hebdo thing and wanted to see what has caused the offense? In any case it looks like the crackpots on both sides have gegged in. A parents news letter compared the teachers actions to the genocide of muslims. | |||
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"I'm sorry but Just Stop with your bullsh*t ! We had our crazy fun last year. It's the UK turn.
Tuesday, March 16
Atlanta, Georgia
Eight people, including six Asian women, were killed when a White gunman stormed three spas, police said.
Wednesday, March 17
Stockton, California
Five people who were preparing a vigil in Stockton, in California's Central Valley, were shot in a drive-by shooting, the San Joaquin Sheriff's Department said. None had life-threatening injuries.
Thursday, March 18
Gresham, Oregon
Four victims were taken to the hospital after a shooting in the city east of Portland, police said in an initial report.
Saturday, March 20
Houston
Five people were shot after a disturbance inside a club, according to police. One was in critical condition after being shot in the neck, the rest were in stable condition, according to CNN affiliate KPRC.
Saturday, March 20
Dallas
Eight people were shot by an unknown assailant, one of whom died, according to police.
Saturday, March 20
Philadelphia
Monday, March 22
Boulder, Colorado
Ten people, including a Boulder police officer, were killed in a shooting at the King Soopers supermarket, according to police
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Please stop comparing Occasional Madness in the U.K to the utter Lunacy that happens in the States !
And ? Triggered are we ? This was a post of freedom of speech not 2A . But hey indulge me in another post if you feel the need. You will just be embarrassed.
The Only Triggering done by americans , usually pointing firearms at innocent people
I not pointing any weapon at innocent. It's easy for you to assume isn't it. But once again this was lionel posting freedom of speech not in UK and the effects. I know it hard for you to comprehend. It's ok you need a hug ? "I have the right to speak freely, to tell an american that their countries views on freedom of speech are really of no consequence or value in a place that doesnt have laws where you can buy guns at the supermarket to kill people with . Freedom of speech will be controlled by the people with votes for parties on what is allowed ir not allowed by those we vote.for in our government . Not By A group set up to promote the usage of firearms ! No Hug needed . P.S in Edinburgh we have a castle that shoots a cannon everyday. This is to denote that it is 1 o'clock. Not like in the U.S where it almost seems like any given schoolday | |||
"And ? Triggered are we ? This was a post of freedom of speech not 2A . But hey indulge me in another post if you feel the need. You will just be embarrassed.
The Only Triggering done by americans , usually pointing firearms at innocent people
"*************************************** Well, that was a little heavy handed for a response......, was it not.....??! May be it wasn't intentional but, it was a very general view to say "done by Americans" That was how I read it, so, this post is just my opinion.  | |||
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"I don't think the UK has blasphemy laws. The school has been bullied into suspending the teacher and forcing an apology. I'm not sure we should be ruled by this kind of pressure, regardless of which religion or culture it is." | |||
"I'm sorry but Just Stop with your bullsh*t ! We had our crazy fun last year. It's the UK turn.
Tuesday, March 16
Atlanta, Georgia
Eight people, including six Asian women, were killed when a White gunman stormed three spas, police said.
Wednesday, March 17
Stockton, California
Five people who were preparing a vigil in Stockton, in California's Central Valley, were shot in a drive-by shooting, the San Joaquin Sheriff's Department said. None had life-threatening injuries.
Thursday, March 18
Gresham, Oregon
Four victims were taken to the hospital after a shooting in the city east of Portland, police said in an initial report.
Saturday, March 20
Houston
Five people were shot after a disturbance inside a club, according to police. One was in critical condition after being shot in the neck, the rest were in stable condition, according to CNN affiliate KPRC.
Saturday, March 20
Dallas
Eight people were shot by an unknown assailant, one of whom died, according to police.
Saturday, March 20
Philadelphia
Monday, March 22
Boulder, Colorado
Ten people, including a Boulder police officer, were killed in a shooting at the King Soopers supermarket, according to police
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Please stop comparing Occasional Madness in the U.K to the utter Lunacy that happens in the States !
And ? Triggered are we ? This was a post of freedom of speech not 2A . But hey indulge me in another post if you feel the need. You will just be embarrassed.
The Only Triggering done by americans , usually pointing firearms at innocent people
I not pointing any weapon at innocent. It's easy for you to assume isn't it. But once again this was lionel posting freedom of speech not in UK and the effects. I know it hard for you to comprehend. It's ok you need a hug ?
I have the right to speak freely, to tell an american that their countries views on freedom of speech are really of no consequence or value in a place that doesnt have laws where you can buy guns at the supermarket to kill people with .
Freedom of speech will be controlled by the people with votes for parties on what is allowed ir not allowed by those we vote.for in our government .
Not By A group set up to promote the usage of firearms !
No Hug needed .
P.S in Edinburgh we have a castle that shoots a cannon everyday.
This is to denote that it is 1 o'clock.
Not like in the U.S where it almost seems like any given schoolday
"Freedom of speech isn't it grand. But your skewed perceptions are way off. Speech away it's your right. | |||
"I don't think the UK has blasphemy laws. The school has been bullied into suspending the teacher and forcing an apology. I'm not sure we should be ruled by this kind of pressure, regardless of which religion or culture it is. "So we can be blasphemous to the Queen as she is head of the Church Of England then ? | |||
"I don't think the UK has blasphemy laws. The school has been bullied into suspending the teacher and forcing an apology. I'm not sure we should be ruled by this kind of pressure, regardless of which religion or culture it is.
So we can be blasphemous to the Queen as she is head of the Church Of England then ?"We domt have blasmephomy laws here. | |||
"Odd how the police seem fine with wading into a bunch of protesting women for breaking Covid regulations but not so keen to tackle a bunch of bearded nutters breaking Covid regulations." Well those beastly wimminy types were shouting "shame on you" at the police , after a policeman had murdered one of them a week or so before ! Shocking treatment by the feminine people . | |||
"I don't think the UK has blasphemy laws. The school has been bullied into suspending the teacher and forcing an apology. I'm not sure we should be ruled by this kind of pressure, regardless of which religion or culture it is.
So we can be blasphemous to the Queen as she is head of the Church Of England then ?
We domt have blasmephomy laws here."I know its sarcasm & was directed at the head of a religion . Mohamed/Queen . | |||
"I don't think the UK has blasphemy laws. The school has been bullied into suspending the teacher and forcing an apology. I'm not sure we should be ruled by this kind of pressure, regardless of which religion or culture it is.
So we can be blasphemous to the Queen as she is head of the Church Of England then ?
We domt have blasmephomy laws here.
I know its sarcasm & was directed at the head of a religion .
Mohamed/Queen .
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"I'm sorry but Just Stop with your bullsh*t ! We had our crazy fun last year. It's the UK turn.
Tuesday, March 16
Atlanta, Georgia
Eight people, including six Asian women, were killed when a White gunman stormed three spas, police said.
Wednesday, March 17
Stockton, California
Five people who were preparing a vigil in Stockton, in California's Central Valley, were shot in a drive-by shooting, the San Joaquin Sheriff's Department said. None had life-threatening injuries.
Thursday, March 18
Gresham, Oregon
Four victims were taken to the hospital after a shooting in the city east of Portland, police said in an initial report.
Saturday, March 20
Houston
Five people were shot after a disturbance inside a club, according to police. One was in critical condition after being shot in the neck, the rest were in stable condition, according to CNN affiliate KPRC.
Saturday, March 20
Dallas
Eight people were shot by an unknown assailant, one of whom died, according to police.
Saturday, March 20
Philadelphia
Monday, March 22
Boulder, Colorado
Ten people, including a Boulder police officer, were killed in a shooting at the King Soopers supermarket, according to police
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Please stop comparing Occasional Madness in the U.K to the utter Lunacy that happens in the States !
And ? Triggered are we ? This was a post of freedom of speech not 2A . But hey indulge me in another post if you feel the need. You will just be embarrassed.
The Only Triggering done by americans , usually pointing firearms at innocent people
I not pointing any weapon at innocent. It's easy for you to assume isn't it. But once again this was lionel posting freedom of speech not in UK and the effects. I know it hard for you to comprehend. It's ok you need a hug ?
I have the right to speak freely, to tell an american that their countries views on freedom of speech are really of no consequence or value in a place that doesnt have laws where you can buy guns at the supermarket to kill people with .
Freedom of speech will be controlled by the people with votes for parties on what is allowed ir not allowed by those we vote.for in our government .
Not By A group set up to promote the usage of firearms !
No Hug needed .
P.S in Edinburgh we have a castle that shoots a cannon everyday.
This is to denote that it is 1 o'clock.
Not like in the U.S where it almost seems like any given schoolday
"You are such the UK patriot. | |||
"I'm sorry but Just Stop with your bullsh*t ! We had our crazy fun last year. It's the UK turn.
Tuesday, March 16
Atlanta, Georgia
Eight people, including six Asian women, were killed when a White gunman stormed three spas, police said.
Wednesday, March 17
Stockton, California
Five people who were preparing a vigil in Stockton, in California's Central Valley, were shot in a drive-by shooting, the San Joaquin Sheriff's Department said. None had life-threatening injuries.
Thursday, March 18
Gresham, Oregon
Four victims were taken to the hospital after a shooting in the city east of Portland, police said in an initial report.
Saturday, March 20
Houston
Five people were shot after a disturbance inside a club, according to police. One was in critical condition after being shot in the neck, the rest were in stable condition, according to CNN affiliate KPRC.
Saturday, March 20
Dallas
Eight people were shot by an unknown assailant, one of whom died, according to police.
Saturday, March 20
Philadelphia
Monday, March 22
Boulder, Colorado
Ten people, including a Boulder police officer, were killed in a shooting at the King Soopers supermarket, according to police
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Please stop comparing Occasional Madness in the U.K to the utter Lunacy that happens in the States !
And ? Triggered are we ? This was a post of freedom of speech not 2A . But hey indulge me in another post if you feel the need. You will just be embarrassed.
The Only Triggering done by americans , usually pointing firearms at innocent people
I not pointing any weapon at innocent. It's easy for you to assume isn't it. But once again this was lionel posting freedom of speech not in UK and the effects. I know it hard for you to comprehend. It's ok you need a hug ?
I have the right to speak freely, to tell an american that their countries views on freedom of speech are really of no consequence or value in a place that doesnt have laws where you can buy guns at the supermarket to kill people with .
Freedom of speech will be controlled by the people with votes for parties on what is allowed ir not allowed by those we vote.for in our government .
Not By A group set up to promote the usage of firearms !
No Hug needed .
P.S in Edinburgh we have a castle that shoots a cannon everyday.
This is to denote that it is 1 o'clock.
Not like in the U.S where it almost seems like any given schoolday
You are such the UK patriot. "Im not anything to do with the U.K Keep trying though | |||
"Odd how the police seem fine with wading into a bunch of protesting women for breaking Covid regulations but not so keen to tackle a bunch of bearded nutters breaking Covid regulations." Those protestors outside the school shouod have been dispersed in minutes. They had made their point verbally, and had also sent a rather inflammatory written protest to the school. Muslims preach tolerance but sometimes rarely show it. Have no lessons been learnt from what happened to that teacher in France? It needs their local Mosque leaders to step forward, say that an honest mistake has been made, that the school has apologised, it won't happen again, protests must now cease, and we now get back to educating our children. | |||
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"Ok, so how would we have responded if a teacher had shared porn with a class of children? Some things are wrong "Showing porn to children is illegal. Showing a cartoon of a prophet is not. | |||
"Ok, so how would we have responded if a teacher had shared porn with a class of children? Some things are wrong
Showing porn to children is illegal.
Showing a cartoon of a prophet is not."My point is still valid, both are wrong to do. This isn’t about Freedom of Speech. It was just wrong to do & wholly unnecessary - It is not the Teachers role to provoke religious hatred. By all means teach all children about all religions. But no need to show the Hebdo cartoon to do that. | |||
"Has Sadiq Khan used his freedom of speech and position to comment yet? Have the teaching unions? Thought not." They are probally waiting to find out what has actually happened. | |||
"Ok, so how would we have responded if a teacher had shared porn with a class of children? Some things are wrong
Showing porn to children is illegal.
Showing a cartoon of a prophet is not.
My point is still valid, both are wrong to do. This isn’t about Freedom of Speech. It was just wrong to do & wholly unnecessary - It is not the Teachers role to provoke religious hatred.
By all means teach all children about all religions. But no need to show the Hebdo cartoon to do that."But when you are teaching about the holocaust, teachers show anti semitic cartoons used by the nazis. What's the difference? | |||
"Ok, so how would we have responded if a teacher had shared porn with a class of children? Some things are wrong
Showing porn to children is illegal.
Showing a cartoon of a prophet is not.
My point is still valid, both are wrong to do. This isn’t about Freedom of Speech. It was just wrong to do & wholly unnecessary - It is not the Teachers role to provoke religious hatred.
By all means teach all children about all religions. But no need to show the Hebdo cartoon to do that.
But when you are teaching about the holocaust, teachers show anti semitic cartoons used by the nazis.
What's the difference?"Your example is to avoid the rise of Naxi 2.0, which was a cult not a religion. | |||
"Ok, so how would we have responded if a teacher had shared porn with a class of children? Some things are wrong
Showing porn to children is illegal.
Showing a cartoon of a prophet is not.
My point is still valid, both are wrong to do. This isn’t about Freedom of Speech. It was just wrong to do & wholly unnecessary - It is not the Teachers role to provoke religious hatred.
By all means teach all children about all religions. But no need to show the Hebdo cartoon to do that.
But when you are teaching about the holocaust, teachers show anti semitic cartoons used by the nazis.
What's the difference?
Your example is to avoid the rise of Naxi 2.0, which was a cult not a religion. "But surely showing an anti semitic can cause offence? | |||
"Ok, so how would we have responded if a teacher had shared porn with a class of children? Some things are wrong
Showing porn to children is illegal.
Showing a cartoon of a prophet is not.
My point is still valid, both are wrong to do. This isn’t about Freedom of Speech. It was just wrong to do & wholly unnecessary - It is not the Teachers role to provoke religious hatred.
By all means teach all children about all religions. But no need to show the Hebdo cartoon to do that.
But when you are teaching about the holocaust, teachers show anti semitic cartoons used by the nazis.
What's the difference?
Your example is to avoid the rise of Naxi 2.0, which was a cult not a religion.
But surely showing an anti semitic can cause offence?"I feel you are not advocating that showing how bad the Nazi were is wrong. Do you think schools should not use these examples then? | |||
"Ok, so how would we have responded if a teacher had shared porn with a class of children? Some things are wrong
Showing porn to children is illegal.
Showing a cartoon of a prophet is not.
My point is still valid, both are wrong to do. This isn’t about Freedom of Speech. It was just wrong to do & wholly unnecessary - It is not the Teachers role to provoke religious hatred.
By all means teach all children about all religions. But no need to show the Hebdo cartoon to do that.
But when you are teaching about the holocaust, teachers show anti semitic cartoons used by the nazis.
What's the difference?
Your example is to avoid the rise of Naxi 2.0, which was a cult not a religion.
But surely showing an anti semitic can cause offence?
I feel you are not advocating that showing how bad the Nazi were is wrong. Do you think schools should not use these examples then?"No you are missing my point. They show the anti semitic cartoons to show how the nazis dehunaized jews. However these cartoons could still cause offence. However in a lesson about religion they are not allowed to show a cartoon incase it does cause offence Sutely that's wrong? | |||
"Has Sadiq Khan used his freedom of speech and position to comment yet? Have the teaching unions? Thought not." Like Boris did after Harry & Megans interview, when He was asked if the RF were a bit racist you mean ? | |||
"Has Sadiq Khan used his freedom of speech and position to comment yet? Have the teaching unions? Thought not." to scared to | |||
"Has Sadiq Khan used his freedom of speech and position to comment yet? Have the teaching unions? Thought not. Like Boris did after Harry & Megans interview, when He was asked if the RF were a bit racist you mean ?" Why would the Mayor of LONDON say anything about something that happened in Yorkshire ? Sh*t Stirring for the sake of sh*t stirring . | |||
"Has Sadiq Khan used his freedom of speech and position to comment yet? Have the teaching unions? Thought not.to scared to " Has sadiq khan suddenly become mayor of west yks? | |||
"Has Sadiq Khan used his freedom of speech and position to comment yet? Have the teaching unions? Thought not.to scared to Has sadiq khan suddenly become mayor of west yks?" I wonder if the same concern for Tory Muslim mps silence of Saqib Bhatti, Nusrat Ghan, Rehman Chishti, Sajid Javid will be questioned to ? I doubt it very much . | |||
"Ok, so how would we have responded if a teacher had shared porn with a class of children? Some things are wrong
Showing porn to children is illegal.
Showing a cartoon of a prophet is not."Would it of been appropriate of the teacher to show a derogatory cartoon of somebody's mother to the class? That's similar to the way many Muslims feel about depictions of Mohammed. It's really quite simple, have some damn respect for other people, the teacher should of known better. No he shouldn't be sacked but dont hide behind freedom of speech for this fuck up. | |||
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"Ok, so how would we have responded if a teacher had shared porn with a class of children? Some things are wrong
Showing porn to children is illegal.
Showing a cartoon of a prophet is not.
Would it of been appropriate of the teacher to show a derogatory cartoon of somebody's mother to the class?
That's similar to the way many Muslims feel about depictions of Mohammed.
It's really quite simple, have some damn respect for other people, the teacher should of known better. No he shouldn't be sacked but dont hide behind freedom of speech for this fuck up."Context is everything I doubt very much if he was showing the cartoon to poke fun at muslims. | |||
"Ok, so how would we have responded if a teacher had shared porn with a class of children? Some things are wrong
Showing porn to children is illegal.
Showing a cartoon of a prophet is not.
Would it of been appropriate of the teacher to show a derogatory cartoon of somebody's mother to the class?
That's similar to the way many Muslims feel about depictions of Mohammed.
It's really quite simple, have some damn respect for other people, the teacher should of known better. No he shouldn't be sacked but dont hide behind freedom of speech for this fuck up.
Context is everything
I doubt very much if he was showing the cartoon to poke fun at muslims."Anyone in his position should know that for those of the Muslim faith it is seen as insulting to show a cartoon etc whether he intended to poke fun or not .. Tbh if his intent was to do that then his judgement is flawed.. | |||
"Ok, so how would we have responded if a teacher had shared porn with a class of children? Some things are wrong
Showing porn to children is illegal.
Showing a cartoon of a prophet is not.
Would it of been appropriate of the teacher to show a derogatory cartoon of somebody's mother to the class?
That's similar to the way many Muslims feel about depictions of Mohammed.
It's really quite simple, have some damn respect for other people, the teacher should of known better. No he shouldn't be sacked but dont hide behind freedom of speech for this fuck up.
Context is everything
I doubt very much if he was showing the cartoon to poke fun at muslims.
Anyone in his position should know that for those of the Muslim faith it is seen as insulting to show a cartoon etc whether he intended to poke fun or not ..
Tbh if his intent was to do that then his judgement is flawed.."Gonna have to agree to disagree on this. Showing anti semitic cartoons Is offensive but its teaching something. When this happened in France the teacher had said to the kids.. if anyone will be offended by this, you may leave the Room. We dont know if this has happened in this instance. | |||
"Ok, so how would we have responded if a teacher had shared porn with a class of children? Some things are wrong
Showing porn to children is illegal.
Showing a cartoon of a prophet is not.
Would it of been appropriate of the teacher to show a derogatory cartoon of somebody's mother to the class?
That's similar to the way many Muslims feel about depictions of Mohammed.
It's really quite simple, have some damn respect for other people, the teacher should of known better. No he shouldn't be sacked but dont hide behind freedom of speech for this fuck up.
Context is everything
I doubt very much if he was showing the cartoon to poke fun at muslims.
Anyone in his position should know that for those of the Muslim faith it is seen as insulting to show a cartoon etc whether he intended to poke fun or not ..
Tbh if his intent was to do that then his judgement is flawed..
Gonna have to agree to disagree on this.
Showing anti semitic cartoons Is offensive but its teaching something.
When this happened in France the teacher had said to the kids.. if anyone will be offended by this, you may leave the Room.
We dont know if this has happened in this instance."If I visit your home where I know you don't allow smoking inside is it ok if I ask you to leave the room before I light up? The complete bottom line is that it's clearly known in educational establishments what showing a cartoon means to people of that faith.. He could have said there was a cartoon etc shown in France and the response was etc.. It's a bit like teaching in an RC school and showing the life of Brian, it would be inappropriate and or offensive.. | |||
"Ok, so how would we have responded if a teacher had shared porn with a class of children? Some things are wrong
Showing porn to children is illegal.
Showing a cartoon of a prophet is not.
Would it of been appropriate of the teacher to show a derogatory cartoon of somebody's mother to the class?
That's similar to the way many Muslims feel about depictions of Mohammed.
It's really quite simple, have some damn respect for other people, the teacher should of known better. No he shouldn't be sacked but dont hide behind freedom of speech for this fuck up.
Context is everything
I doubt very much if he was showing the cartoon to poke fun at muslims.
Anyone in his position should know that for those of the Muslim faith it is seen as insulting to show a cartoon etc whether he intended to poke fun or not ..
Tbh if his intent was to do that then his judgement is flawed..
Gonna have to agree to disagree on this.
Showing anti semitic cartoons Is offensive but its teaching something.
When this happened in France the teacher had said to the kids.. if anyone will be offended by this, you may leave the Room.
We dont know if this has happened in this instance.
If I visit your home where I know you don't allow smoking inside is it ok if I ask you to leave the room before I light up?
The complete bottom line is that it's clearly known in educational establishments what showing a cartoon means to people of that faith..
He could have said there was a cartoon etc shown in France and the response was etc..
It's a bit like teaching in an RC school and showing the life of Brian, it would be inappropriate and or offensive..
"But they are completely different scenarios..the smell of the smoke would still be there. If you show a cartoon of Mohamed to a group of white kids, who is going to be offended? And I've said it before..father Ted for example takes the piss out of Catholicism.. why should 1 religion be more sacrosanct than another? Then of course where does it stop? Whst If they start to complain about girls being educated? Will we kowtow to that too? | |||
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"Has Sadiq Khan used his freedom of speech and position to comment yet? Have the teaching unions? Thought not. They are probally waiting to find out what has actually happened." Surely they've found out by now? Still waiting.... | |||
"Has Sadiq Khan used his freedom of speech and position to comment yet? Have the teaching unions? Thought not. They are probally waiting to find out what has actually happened. Surely they've found out by now? Still waiting.... " There will probally be a full investigation. Some stuff has been leaked but we are only getting 1 side of the story. There was a huge petition saying he should be reinstated | |||
