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Sturgeon cleared, now Johnson’s turn
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Sturgeon has been cleared of misleading the Scottish Parliament so is it not time to address the PM of the UK’s frequent lying to and so misleading Westminster?
Scotland is but a part of the UK but Westminster is the face to the rest of the world. Social media is circulating recordings (and so absolutely provable) of at least seven instances of downright lying. In the smokescreen around Scotland, the UK population is ignoring something much, much bigger. |
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What we know tonight with great certainty is that Scotlands FM Nicola Sturgeon did not break the ministerial code
However we do know with great certainty Boris Johnson did break the ministerial code.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The thread is about recorded lying by the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. He misled Parliament numerous times- when will he be held to account for his actions?
If not, then the UK is fairly to be seen as morally bankrupt and its electorate, fools. There are now no grounds to look to the UK on leadership for anything, from the ‘Calm Voice of Reason’ on the world stage to the morally strong country it likes to think itself. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Why are you trying to divert from the truth of Johnson misleading the UK Parliament multiple times? A sackable offence, I hear. In his case, they are all, every single one, recorded for everybody to hear. |
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"Sturgeon has been cleared of misleading the Scottish Parliament so is it not time to address the PM of the UK’s frequent lying to and so misleading Westminster?
Scotland is but a part of the UK but Westminster is the face to the rest of the world. Social media is circulating recordings (and so absolutely provable) of at least seven instances of downright lying. In the smokescreen around Scotland, the UK population is ignoring something much, much bigger."
Go on then post the link so we can all have a look? |
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"It’s not who posted it that’s important, it’s the words from Johnston’s mouth. Anything he says is easily checked. That’s your homework for tomorrow."
I wouldn't book your seat in the courts viewing galley if that's the best their is. |
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"I am deeply frustrated that applicable court orders will have the effect of preventing the full publication of a report which fulfils my remit and which I believe it would be in the public interest to publish" |
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" "I am deeply frustrated that applicable court orders will have the effect of preventing the full publication of a report which fulfils my remit and which I believe it would be in the public interest to publish""
That's quite a qualifying remark to say the least. |
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"He has never been a member o& the Scottish National Party.
And your opinion about Johnson ?"
Flawed, like any politician. But he has an 80 seat majority so the voters thought the alternative was worse. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"What we know tonight with great certainty is that Scotlands FM Nicola Sturgeon did not break the ministerial code
However we do know with great certainty Boris Johnson did break the ministerial code. "
What we know she is a very smooth corrupt left wing dictator and will find ways to get away with things |
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It's unlikely that the hard-core independence brigade will be swayed by this at all. However, she hasn't come out of this looking great so a very few undecided voters may be influenced.
Will there be an Indyref 2? Who knows. |
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"[redacted] followed by another [redacted], [redacted] Scottish Nationalist Party guilt [redacted] and [redacted]
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I have just looked at the report, which contains 81 occurrences of the word redacted. From a quick scan, most were names or footers etc.
This "excerpt" is a total fabrication (which surprises me not at all). Ever thought of running for ministerial office? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So is this misogyny? Happy to go after a woman but too cowardly to tackle a man?
If it’s not about the pursuit of truth and justice, as it should be ,I guess it could also be rank hypocrisy.
Whatever the reason not to tackle Johnson misleading Parliament, the victims are truth and justice and the dilution of the UK’s standing, if there was indeed any remaining, in the world. Perhaps ultimately, the Common Good because you can be assured It doesn’t feature anywhere.
Obviously not worth fighting for. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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What has Sturgeon got to do with Johnson? Do you not even know what is going on in your own country? I despair. Take a good look in your own backyard |
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"What has Johnson got to do with Scotland ?The enquiry is to do with Sturgeon Boris has nothing to do with this "
I think people are wondering why politicians of different parties are held to different standards. When there was a possibility that Sturgeon would be found to have broken the ministerial code, Tories were saying she should resign - they were not even making it conditional on the outcome of the independent report.
Now she is found not to have been in breach, people are asking why our Prime Minister, who is shown in the short video to have clearly breached the ministerial code on many occasions, should be treated differently.
Call me a traditionalist, but I remember when truth and honour were a thing. The Tories seem not to bother with them any more, and the electorate seem not to care. |
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"The thread is about recorded lying by the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. He misled Parliament numerous times- when will he be held to account for his actions?
If not, then the UK is fairly to be seen as morally bankrupt and its electorate, fools. There are now no grounds to look to the UK on leadership for anything, from the ‘Calm Voice of Reason’ on the world stage to the morally strong country it likes to think itself."
It is a bit insulting to refer to the UK electorate as being fools . The electorate are fully aware of both the strengths and weaknesses of Boris Johnson. Those who dislike him have spent endless time trying to smear his character. Luckily the electorate are quite capable of passing their own judgement and hence he was elected with an 80 seat majority. This is probably the only opinion of Boris Johnson that matters . The vaccination programme he has overseen is world beating and he has shown his consideration for the people of both Scotland and Northern Ireland by trying to push forward a floating tunnel to link both countries. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"What has Johnson got to do with Scotland ?The enquiry is to do with Sturgeon Boris has nothing to do with this
I think people are wondering why politicians of different parties are held to different standards. When there was a possibility that Sturgeon would be found to have broken the ministerial code, Tories were saying she should resign - they were not even making it conditional on the outcome of the independent report.
Now she is found not to have been in breach, people are asking why our Prime Minister, who is shown in the short video to have clearly breached the ministerial code on many occasions, should be treated differently.
Call me a traditionalist, but I remember when truth and honour were a thing. The Tories seem not to bother with them any more, and the electorate seem not to care."
Thank you for putting this better than I.
There is a reason it is important to believe politicians- when will you know what is true and what is not?
The electorate are fools indeed if they continue to see the PM as a buffoon, with an idiosyncratic haircut. |
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"James Hamilton is a former advisor to the SNP and a SNP member. Some people are trying to erase this from his Wikipedia page.
Looks like the SNP just marked their own exam paper."
His Wikipedia entry was changed to claim he was a former member of the SNP.
James Hamilton has never been a member of any political party. |
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"What has Johnson got to do with Scotland ?The enquiry is to do with Sturgeon Boris has nothing to do with this
I think people are wondering why politicians of different parties are held to different standards. When there was a possibility that Sturgeon would be found to have broken the ministerial code, Tories were saying she should resign - they were not even making it conditional on the outcome of the independent report.
Now she is found not to have been in breach, people are asking why our Prime Minister, who is shown in the short video to have clearly breached the ministerial code on many occasions, should be treated differently.
Call me a traditionalist, but I remember when truth and honour were a thing. The Tories seem not to bother with them any more, and the electorate seem not to care."
Its quite simple.
When the tories do something wrong it's someone else's fault.
They take responsibility for absolutely nothing.
I've absolutely no idea where that comes from though tbh. |
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By *dlilbumCouple
over a year ago
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"James Hamilton is a former advisor to the SNP and a SNP member. Some people are trying to erase this from his Wikipedia page.
Looks like the SNP just marked their own exam paper."
Do you think that the publicly edited Wikipedia is some sort of holy grail of truth? The man has never been a member of the SNP, it’s being erased from the Wikipedia page because it’s a lie.
Personally I’m glad to see that Nicola Sturgeon has been cleared. I watched her 8 hours of evidence to the committee and having heard all of that I believe she has acted entirely professionally.
It’s very sad that one man has acted like a creep but the opposition and media witch-hunt rounds on the first woman it can build a shoddy case against. Misogyny and sexism, pure and simple.
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"James Hamilton is a former advisor to the SNP and a SNP member. Some people are trying to erase this from his Wikipedia page.
Looks like the SNP just marked their own exam paper.
Do you think that the publicly edited Wikipedia is some sort of holy grail of truth? The man has never been a member of the SNP, it’s being erased from the Wikipedia page because it’s a lie.
Personally I’m glad to see that Nicola Sturgeon has been cleared. I watched her 8 hours of evidence to the committee and having heard all of that I believe she has acted entirely professionally.
It’s very sad that one man has acted like a creep but the opposition and media witch-hunt rounds on the first woman it can build a shoddy case against. Misogyny and sexism, pure and simple.
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It's also because she has the nerve to stand upto the buffoon
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"Holyrood inquiry concludes Nicola Sturgeon misled Scottish Parliament over unlawful Salmond investigation
Findings separate from those of James Hamilton, who reported there had been no breach of ministerial code by Nicola Sturgeon over her role
Nicola Sturgeon misled parliament and her government "badly" let down women who lodged complaints against Alex Salmond a damning Holyrood inquiry has concluded.
The committee examining the Scottish Government's handling of harassment complaints against Mr Salmond found the First Minister gave "an inaccurate account" of what happened at a meeting with him and so misled the cross-party investigation.
In a 192-page report, the MSPs also said the Scottish Government’s handling of harassment complaints, and the subsequent judicial review, was "seriously flawed".
The report said there was a "fundamental contradiction" between Ms Sturgeon's evidence about her meetings with Mr Salmond and that of his team." |
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However, James Hamilton, the Irish lawyer who conducted the ministerial code investigation . . .
. . . concluded that it was for the Scottish Parliament to decide whether they were misled. Murdo Fraser, a Tory member of the committee, said: "The committee verdict is in – Nicola Sturgeon misled Parliament and the public.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Sadly the breaking of the ministerial code requires parliament to have been "deliberately" misled.
There is no doubt whatsoever that Nicola Sturgeon DID mislead parliament. Both Hamilton and the investigating committee came to the same conclusion on that point.
Hamilton said he could not be certain that her actions were deliberate or not....or he didn't have the bottle to conclude what was stirring everyone in the face?
In a Scottish court of law maybe a verdict of "not proven" may have been given? Either way the stink from this will and should hang over her..... |
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However, James Hamilton, the Irish lawyer who conducted the ministerial code investigation . . .
. . . concluded that it was for the Scottish Parliament to decide whether they were misled. Murdo Fraser, a Tory member of the committee, said: "The committee verdict is in – Nicola Sturgeon misled Parliament and the public.
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"The actual independent report has cleared her of any wrong doing so justice has been done.
Well done nicola.
No quite so [redacted] simple [redacted]."
Was she found guilty by the independent review? |
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However, James Hamilton, the Irish lawyer who conducted the ministerial code investigation . . .
. . . concluded that it was for the Scottish Parliament to decide whether they were misled. Murdo Fraser, a Tory member of the committee, said: "The committee verdict is in – Nicola Sturgeon misled Parliament and the public.
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An Update on the story . . .
"Commenting after the publication of the Holyrood inquiry on Tuesday, Murdo Fraser said such a move was necessary to “uncover all the details”.
In March, an exclusive poll for The Scotsman by Savanta ComRes showed almost half of Scots backed the establishment of a judge-led inquiry into the scandal."
She is not out of the woods yet if this gets a foothold. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Well done nicola
I'm sure those who have been crowing about her downfall will be humble on admitting they were wrong all along."
She would not fall over this her corruption and evil is well embedded in the Scottish system now.
She is the Mucabi of Scoytland,if shr gets her way we must sel the borders so the Scots cannot come south till they overthow her in revolution.They will be starving no doubt but to defeat her we must cut Scotland off.
I hope thy do not get independance obviously and the Scots just turn on the dictator |
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"The actual independent report has cleared her of any wrong doing so justice has been done.
Well done nicola.
No quite so [redacted] simple [redacted].
Was she found guilty by the independent review?"
All I've heard is Nicola Sturgeon has been found not guilty of breaking the ministerial code by an independent body on ministerial code yet people are still baying for her blood.
Meanwhile Pritty Patel who was found guilty of breaking the ministerial code by the independent body for ministerial code received a total free pass by nearly everyone.
Strange, isn't it  |
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"The actual independent report has cleared her of any wrong doing so justice has been done.
Well done nicola.
No quite so [redacted] simple [redacted].
Was she found guilty by the independent review?
All I've heard is Nicola Sturgeon has been found not guilty of breaking the ministerial code by an independent body on ministerial code yet people are still baying for her blood.
Meanwhile Pritty Patel who was found guilty of breaking the ministerial code by the independent body for ministerial code received a total free pass by nearly everyone.
Strange, isn't it "
Maybe because this thread is about Queen Nikky |
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over a year ago
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"The actual independent report has cleared her of any wrong doing so justice has been done.
Well done nicola.
No quite so [redacted] simple [redacted].
Was she found guilty by the independent review?
All I've heard is Nicola Sturgeon has been found not guilty of breaking the ministerial code by an independent body on ministerial code yet people are still baying for her blood.
Meanwhile Pritty Patel who was found guilty of breaking the ministerial code by the independent body for ministerial code received a total free pass by nearly everyone.
Strange, isn't it "
Isn't it just, strange but not surprising. The post was about Johnston and it being his turn and yet... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The actual independent report has cleared her of any wrong doing so justice has been done.
Well done nicola.
No quite so [redacted] simple [redacted].
Was she found guilty by the independent review?
All I've heard is Nicola Sturgeon has been found not guilty of breaking the ministerial code by an independent body on ministerial code yet people are still baying for her blood.
Meanwhile Pritty Patel who was found guilty of breaking the ministerial code by the independent body for ministerial code received a total free pass by nearly everyone.
Strange, isn't it
Maybe because this thread is about Queen Nikky "
No...it’s about the U.K. government and the sheer hypocrisy of those howling for the resignation of a woman who stands up to the Conservatives yet dismiss out of hand Johnson being culpable many times over of misleading parliament |
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"The actual independent report has cleared her of any wrong doing so justice has been done.
Well done nicola.
No quite so [redacted] simple [redacted].
Was she found guilty by the independent review?
All I've heard is Nicola Sturgeon has been found not guilty of breaking the ministerial code by an independent body on ministerial code yet people are still baying for her blood.
Meanwhile Pritty Patel who was found guilty of breaking the ministerial code by the independent body for ministerial code received a total free pass by nearly everyone.
Strange, isn't it
Isn't it just, strange but not surprising. The post was about Johnston and it being his turn and yet... "
They dont like to apply the rules to their own .
It was the same when the eu threatened to break international law.
The gmnt do it twice and not a peep.
The EU do it and they cream themselves.
Pointless trying to reason with it. |
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"The actual independent report has cleared her of any wrong doing so justice has been done.
Well done nicola.
No quite so [redacted] simple [redacted].
Was she found guilty by the independent review?
All I've heard is Nicola Sturgeon has been found not guilty of breaking the ministerial code by an independent body on ministerial code yet people are still baying for her blood.
Meanwhile Pritty Patel who was found guilty of breaking the ministerial code by the independent body for ministerial code received a total free pass by nearly everyone.
Strange, isn't it
Maybe because this thread is about Queen Nikky
No...it’s about the U.K. government and the sheer hypocrisy of those howling for the resignation of a woman who stands up to the Conservatives yet dismiss out of hand Johnson being culpable many times over of misleading parliament"
I thought the clue would have been in the title.
Now boris's turn?
Obviously not. |
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So, it's a 'whataboutery' post then?
In fairness, that's what the SNP are all about. Yelling 'the Tories, the Tories' and 'Westminster, Westminster' when their record on government of the important matters like, health and education are quite poor. The plan for actual independence also has questions to be answered.
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"So, it's a 'whataboutery' post then?
In fairness, that's what the SNP are all about. Yelling 'the Tories, the Tories' and 'Westminster, Westminster' when their record on government of the important matters like, health and education are quite poor. The plan for actual independence also has questions to be answered.
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Not really
Its asking should the breaking of the ministerial code apply to everyone.
I'm not sure we can give out lectures on issues such as health and education |
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"So, it's a 'whataboutery' post then?
In fairness, that's what the SNP are all about. Yelling 'the Tories, the Tories' and 'Westminster, Westminster' when their record on government of the important matters like, health and education are quite poor. The plan for actual independence also has questions to be answered.
Not really
Its asking should the breaking of the ministerial code apply to everyone.
I'm not sure we can give out lectures on issues such as health and education "
Maybe, but the vaccine rollout has been quite the success story.
Will there be an Indyref 2? Be interesting to see. |
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"So, it's a 'whataboutery' post then?
In fairness, that's what the SNP are all about. Yelling 'the Tories, the Tories' and 'Westminster, Westminster' when their record on government of the important matters like, health and education are quite poor. The plan for actual independence also has questions to be answered.
Not really
Its asking should the breaking of the ministerial code apply to everyone.
I'm not sure we can give out lectures on issues such as health and education
Maybe, but the vaccine rollout has been quite the success story.
Will there be an Indyref 2? Be interesting to see."
Shame about the utter car crash that preceded it.
That's their whole purpose so I'm guessing they will continue pushing for it. |
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"The actual independent report has cleared her of any wrong doing so justice has been done.
Well done nicola.
No quite so [redacted] simple [redacted]."
51 redactions in a 5 page report. Clear as mud?? |
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“I was quite taken aback by the lack of contact and support from the Scottish Government after the conclusion of its process. We were given regular updates over the period of the judicial review, but after that we were basically just dropped. We went through the entirety of the police investigation and the criminal trial with next to no contact from the Scottish Government, let alone any kind of support. There might be good reasons for that, but I certainly expected something, given that the Government initiated the police referral and given the duty of care for us as staff members or former staff members, which the Government had placed a lot of emphasis on during the process. I was quite taken aback because it felt as though we were just left to swim.” |
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"The actual independent report has cleared her of any wrong doing so justice has been done.
Well done nicola.
No quite so [redacted] simple [redacted].
51 redactions in a 5 page report. Clear as mud??"
An independent review has cleared her.
I'm afraid you are all going to have to accept it. |
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The 'independence' aspect, rightly or wrongly, is arguable. Marking one's own examination papers springs to mind.
Just saying that's that doesn't cut it with many.
The extent to which it affects voting remains to be seen. |
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"The 'independence' aspect, rightly or wrongly, is arguable. Marking one's own examination papers springs to mind.
Just saying that's that doesn't cut it with many.
The extent to which it affects voting remains to be seen."
Agree and . . . worth a repeat . . .
In March, an exclusive poll for The Scotsman by Savanta ComRes showed almost half of Scots backed the establishment of a judge-led inquiry into the scandal." |
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By *uboCouple
over a year ago
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Find it amusing how the Boris brown nosers, and brexiteers have so much to say on Scotlands politics and indi refs when you don't live here in Scotland.
If you did, i am pretty sure you would have different views |
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"What's that argument that you can apply to Brexit . . . it's over so you will all have to get over it?
Brexit is over? "
News catchup?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51307874
The UK has officially left the EU - what happens next?
Always a good thing for discourse on a subject lol |
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"Find it amusing how the Boris brown nosers, and brexiteers have so much to say on Scotlands politics and indi refs when you don't live here in Scotland.
If you did, i am pretty sure you would have different views"
The blue brigade are on fire.. you do not hear them call on the scandal of the handling of the pandemic.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What's that argument that you can apply to Brexit . . . it's over so you will all have to get over it?
Brexit is over?
News catchup?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51307874
The UK has officially left the EU - what happens next?
Always a good thing for discourse on a subject lol "
Thank god for that, no more negotiations with the EU? No transition period ? It’s done ? |
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"The 'independence' aspect, rightly or wrongly, is arguable. Marking one's own examination papers springs to mind.
Just saying that's that doesn't cut it with many.
The extent to which it affects voting remains to be seen."
She was found not guilty by an independent party. |
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"Find it amusing how the Boris brown nosers, and brexiteers have so much to say on Scotlands politics and indi refs when you don't live here in Scotland.
If you did, i am pretty sure you would have different views"
They are not that keen on anyone who stands upto boris I'm afraid,its as simple as that.
That dup for example has some pretty abhorrent views but they have got into bed with boris,so they they dont warrant the endless threads how the type of paint they are using to decorate their residence. |
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"Find it amusing how the Boris brown nosers, and brexiteers have so much to say on Scotlands politics and indi refs when you don't live here in Scotland.
If you did, i am pretty sure you would have different views"
And there are differing views in Scotland too.. |
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"Find it amusing how the Boris brown nosers, and brexiteers have so much to say on Scotlands politics and indi refs when you don't live here in Scotland.
If you did, i am pretty sure you would have different views
And there are differing views in Scotland too.."
Are they still the most popular party in Scotland? |
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"The actual independent report has cleared her of any wrong doing so justice has been done.
Well done nicola.
No quite so [redacted] simple [redacted].
Was she found guilty by the independent review?
All I've heard is Nicola Sturgeon has been found not guilty of breaking the ministerial code by an independent body on ministerial code yet people are still baying for her blood.
Meanwhile Pritty Patel who was found guilty of breaking the ministerial code by the independent body for ministerial code received a total free pass by nearly everyone.
Strange, isn't it
Maybe because this thread is about Queen Nikky "
I'm on about the media and people in general on and off here  |
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"The actual independent report has cleared her of any wrong doing so justice has been done.
Well done nicola.
No quite so [redacted] simple [redacted].
Was she found guilty by the independent review?
All I've heard is Nicola Sturgeon has been found not guilty of breaking the ministerial code by an independent body on ministerial code yet people are still baying for her blood.
Meanwhile Pritty Patel who was found guilty of breaking the ministerial code by the independent body for ministerial code received a total free pass by nearly everyone.
Strange, isn't it
Maybe because this thread is about Queen Nikky
No...it’s about the U.K. government and the sheer hypocrisy of those howling for the resignation of a woman who stands up to the Conservatives yet dismiss out of hand Johnson being culpable many times over of misleading parliament"
Exactly, I didn't think it was really that difficult to understand but it apparently was for some |
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However, James Hamilton, the Irish lawyer who conducted the ministerial code investigation . . .
. . . concluded that it was for the Scottish Parliament to decide whether they were misled. Murdo Fraser, a Tory member of the committee, said: "The committee verdict is in – Nicola Sturgeon misled Parliament and the public.
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An assessment that only 31 - of 129 - MSPs agreed with. If their opinion had overwhelming support in the Parliament, she'd have lost the VONC.
No doubt you would argue that vote went along party political lines. I'd agree - and remind you the committee vote did, too. The fact the Labour and Lib-Dem MSPs abstained tells you all you need to know about how most Scots feel about Tories and their hypocrisy.
There's a reason the Tories aren't credible in Scotland. They just don't have the support of the people. They've done nothing to increase it in the past few weeks.
Scotland may, or may not, become independent. I want it to, but it is by no means certain. What is certain is that the Tories will stoop to any level to try and undermine support for it.
Why? Well, to repeat myself, they're shit scared of losing a third of the landmass of the UK and all the territorial water surrounding it (plus a place to park Trident, or its replacement).
They do not give a shit about the people of Scotland. Fewer than 30% of us vote for them (usually); and what they just did to Scotland's fishermen and farmers proves they don't even give a fuck about alienating their base here.
They're just terrified of losing the territory. If they weren't, why not just let us go and then enjoy perpetual rule in rUK, under the FPTP voting system?
P.S. I know you don't know enough about Scottish politics to know who Murdo Fraser is; which is why you gave his words weight that they really don't merit. LOL |
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To talk about the Tories not giving a shit about Scotland, it’s worth remembering the Scottish Nationalists have been in Government for the last 14 years.
The country is a shadow of its former self and the Nationalists have no one else to blame but themselves.
Shame on them
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"To talk about the Tories not giving a shit about Scotland, it’s worth remembering the Scottish Nationalists have been in Government for the last 14 years.
The country is a shadow of its former self and the Nationalists have no one else to blame but themselves.
Shame on them
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Scotland hasn’t voted tory since the 50’s yet get landed with the govt of England’s choosing at WM.
The electorate in Scotland voted for the SNP are you seriously saying a party without an outright majority in Scotland because of proportional representation is a bad thing ?
Scottish nationalism = bad
British nationalism = good |
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