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By *ssex_tom OP   Man  over a year ago

Chelmsford

Good idea or not ?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan  over a year ago

here

Are we talking about abroad abroad or abroad?

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By *atEvolutionCouple  over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

Depends where they are at the moment of intended travel.

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"Good idea or not ?"

Can you be a bit more specific?

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By *ovebjsMan  over a year ago

Bristol


"Depends where they are at the moment of intended travel.

"

This

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-56439093

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By *kstallionMan  over a year ago

milton keynes

If they are genuinly in fear of their lives then why would they care if they are on the mainland or an island. As long as they are safe thats got to be the priority

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By *wisted999Man  over a year ago

North Bucks

Gibraltar told them to rightly do one.

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By *ovebjsMan  over a year ago

Bristol

Are these the same asylum seekers who have already traveled through several safe countries?

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich


"Gibraltar told them to rightly do one. "
There is no room on gib anyway that was always a non starter.

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool

That famous english sense of tolerance.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Straight from the hand of the tolerated......(!!)

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Are these the same asylum seekers who have already traveled through several safe countries? "

Have they?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

°Gets popcorn°

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"°Gets popcorn° "

Does the US still put immigrants in cages??

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan  over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney


"°Gets popcorn°

Does the US still put immigrants in cages?? "

mostly the children

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By *mmabluTV/TS  over a year ago

upton wirral


"Good idea or not ?"
Great but nobody will have them,if we want Gibralter to become part of Spain this is a good way to do it.

Send them back to France they have proved recently they are still our enemy

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Good idea or not ?Great but nobody will have them,if we want Gibralter to become part of Spain this is a good way to do it.

Send them back to France they have proved recently they are still our enemy"

Such a compassionate post , makes you proud to be British

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"Are these the same asylum seekers who have already traveled through several safe countries?

Have they? "

TBf it's a fair point.

Imagine going through the likes of france ,germany and Belgium and ending up in the likes of stoke.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Are these the same asylum seekers who have already traveled through several safe countries?

Have they?

TBf it's a fair point.

Imagine going through the likes of france ,germany and Belgium and ending up in the likes of stoke."

Is it ‘safe’ in Stoke ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"°Gets popcorn°

Does the US still put immigrants in cages?? "

Nope " facilities" and dying fleeing because of holes in the boarder wall.

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich

Doesnt the eu pay turkey to keep them there? maybe we could do the same.

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By *atEvolutionCouple  over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

All of those countries they pass through and still want to be in the UK. Says something about all of those countries I suppose or does it say more about the UK?

Enquiring minds want to know.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"All of those countries they pass through and still want to be in the UK. Says something about all of those countries I suppose or does it say more about the UK?

Enquiring minds want to know. "

They want to come to the UK to take advantage of all our Brexit benefits ,

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By *ovebjsMan  over a year ago

Bristol


"Are these the same asylum seekers who have already traveled through several safe countries?

Have they? "

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By *kstallionMan  over a year ago

milton keynes


"All of those countries they pass through and still want to be in the UK. Says something about all of those countries I suppose or does it say more about the UK?

Enquiring minds want to know. "

But the countries they been through are classed as safe which is where they should make their application

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Are these the same asylum seekers who have already traveled through several safe countries?

Have they? "

It was a genuine question, have they all travelled through ‘safe ‘ countries?

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By *ovebjsMan  over a year ago

Bristol


"Are these the same asylum seekers who have already traveled through several safe countries?

Have they?

It was a genuine question, have they all travelled through ‘safe ‘ countries? "

No comment

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By *atEvolutionCouple  over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"All of those countries they pass through and still want to be in the UK. Says something about all of those countries I suppose or does it say more about the UK?

Enquiring minds want to know.

They want to come to the UK to take advantage of all our Brexit benefits , "

Funny though the way they came in droves while we were still full members.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"All of those countries they pass through and still want to be in the UK. Says something about all of those countries I suppose or does it say more about the UK?

Enquiring minds want to know.

They want to come to the UK to take advantage of all our Brexit benefits ,

Funny though the way they came in droves while we were still full members. "

I know, but Brexit will make the UK even more attractive to asylum seekers, could it be classed as a Brexit benefit?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Are these the same asylum seekers who have already traveled through several safe countries?

Have they? "

don't know do you ? Also do you believe it's ok for them to travel through europe to claim here or should they be made to stay at the first safe country until processed.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Are these the same asylum seekers who have already traveled through several safe countries?

Have they?

It was a genuine question, have they all travelled through ‘safe ‘ countries?

No comment "

You don’t know then?

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By *atEvolutionCouple  over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"All of those countries they pass through and still want to be in the UK. Says something about all of those countries I suppose or does it say more about the UK?

Enquiring minds want to know.

They want to come to the UK to take advantage of all our Brexit benefits ,

Funny though the way they came in droves while we were still full members.

I know, but Brexit will make the UK even more attractive to asylum seekers, could it be classed as a Brexit benefit? "

Claim it what you want it to be. Point is that they came before we left for many many years and as a writer wrote above, passed through many safe countries in-between to get here.

What actually is the draw over other countries is the real question. And also properly forms the answer and solution.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Are these the same asylum seekers who have already traveled through several safe countries?

Have they? don't know do you ? Also do you believe it's ok for them to travel through europe to claim here or should they be made to stay at the first safe country until processed."

Yes I do, Brexit Britain is the place to be

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"All of those countries they pass through and still want to be in the UK. Says something about all of those countries I suppose or does it say more about the UK?

Enquiring minds want to know.

They want to come to the UK to take advantage of all our Brexit benefits , "

not brexit just are benefits

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Are these the same asylum seekers who have already traveled through several safe countries?

Have they? don't know do you ? Also do you believe it's ok for them to travel through europe to claim here or should they be made to stay at the first safe country until processed.

Yes I do, Brexit Britain is the place to be"

why?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"All of those countries they pass through and still want to be in the UK. Says something about all of those countries I suppose or does it say more about the UK?

Enquiring minds want to know.

They want to come to the UK to take advantage of all our Brexit benefits ,

Funny though the way they came in droves while we were still full members.

I know, but Brexit will make the UK even more attractive to asylum seekers, could it be classed as a Brexit benefit?

Claim it what you want it to be. Point is that they came before we left for many many years and as a writer wrote above, passed through many safe countries in-between to get here.

What actually is the draw over other countries is the real question. And also properly forms the answer and solution.

"

Brexit is the draw, what do you think the reason is?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Are these the same asylum seekers who have already traveled through several safe countries?

Have they? don't know do you ? Also do you believe it's ok for them to travel through europe to claim here or should they be made to stay at the first safe country until processed.

Yes I do, Brexit Britain is the place to bewhy?"

All the benefits, sunlit uplands and all that

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By *atEvolutionCouple  over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

He can't post without saying Brexit. Seeking asylum has very little if anything to do with Brexit at all. Talk about fixated

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"He can't post without saying Brexit. Seeking asylum has very little if anything to do with Brexit at all. Talk about fixated "

It’s only my opinion, why do you think they come here?

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By *atEvolutionCouple  over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"He can't post without saying Brexit. Seeking asylum has very little if anything to do with Brexit at all. Talk about fixated

It’s only my opinion, why do you think they come here? "

As I have already said that they came here long before Brexit was even a thing . . .

I also said. . .

"What actually is the draw over other countries is the real question. And also properly forms the answer and solution."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"He can't post without saying Brexit. Seeking asylum has very little if anything to do with Brexit at all. Talk about fixated

It’s only my opinion, why do you think they come here?

As I have already said that they came here long before Brexit was even a thing . . .

I also said. . .

"What actually is the draw over other countries is the real question. And also properly forms the answer and solution."

"

Do you have an option? Be brave, why do you think asylum seekers come here?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"He can't post without saying Brexit. Seeking asylum has very little if anything to do with Brexit at all. Talk about fixated

It’s only my opinion, why do you think they come here?

As I have already said that they came here long before Brexit was even a thing . . .

I also said. . .

"What actually is the draw over other countries is the real question. And also properly forms the answer and solution."

Do you have an option? Be brave, why do you think asylum seekers come here? "

Opinion

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By *atEvolutionCouple  over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"He can't post without saying Brexit. Seeking asylum has very little if anything to do with Brexit at all. Talk about fixated

It’s only my opinion, why do you think they come here?

As I have already said that they came here long before Brexit was even a thing . . .

I also said. . .

"What actually is the draw over other countries is the real question. And also properly forms the answer and solution."

Do you have an option? Be brave, why do you think asylum seekers come here?

Opinion "

I have no workable opinion at all of why they do . . . There are specialists in abundance that could help you with that if you are seriously concerned beyond just chatting about it on a swingers site.

Try Amnesty International.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"He can't post without saying Brexit. Seeking asylum has very little if anything to do with Brexit at all. Talk about fixated

It’s only my opinion, why do you think they come here?

As I have already said that they came here long before Brexit was even a thing . . .

I also said. . .

"What actually is the draw over other countries is the real question. And also properly forms the answer and solution."

Do you have an option? Be brave, why do you think asylum seekers come here?

Opinion

I have no workable opinion at all of why they do . . . There are specialists in abundance that could help you with that if you are seriously concerned beyond just chatting about it on a swingers site.

Try Amnesty International.

"

Fair enough, I thought you might have been able to form your own opinion,

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS  over a year ago

Notts


"That famous english sense of tolerance."

you cant even tolerate boris, rich people, conservatives.... lol

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By *atEvolutionCouple  over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"He can't post without saying Brexit. Seeking asylum has very little if anything to do with Brexit at all. Talk about fixated

It’s only my opinion, why do you think they come here?

As I have already said that they came here long before Brexit was even a thing . . .

I also said. . .

"What actually is the draw over other countries is the real question. And also properly forms the answer and solution."

Do you have an option? Be brave, why do you think asylum seekers come here?

Opinion

I have no workable opinion at all of why they do . . . There are specialists in abundance that could help you with that if you are seriously concerned beyond just chatting about it on a swingers site.

Try Amnesty International.

Fair enough, I thought you might have been able to form your own opinion,"

For 24 people - men women children - floating in a boat designed for leisure - nope. I will gladly leave that to the experts.

I can merely wonder about why however.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"He can't post without saying Brexit. Seeking asylum has very little if anything to do with Brexit at all. Talk about fixated

It’s only my opinion, why do you think they come here?

As I have already said that they came here long before Brexit was even a thing . . .

I also said. . .

"What actually is the draw over other countries is the real question. And also properly forms the answer and solution."

Do you have an option? Be brave, why do you think asylum seekers come here?

Opinion

I have no workable opinion at all of why they do . . . There are specialists in abundance that could help you with that if you are seriously concerned beyond just chatting about it on a swingers site.

Try Amnesty International.

Fair enough, I thought you might have been able to form your own opinion,

For 24 people - men women children - floating in a boat designed for leisure - nope. I will gladly leave that to the experts.

I can merely wonder about why however."

It must be frustrating and a bit limiting when you can’t make up your own mind on this ?

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By *atEvolutionCouple  over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"He can't post without saying Brexit. Seeking asylum has very little if anything to do with Brexit at all. Talk about fixated

It’s only my opinion, why do you think they come here?

As I have already said that they came here long before Brexit was even a thing . . .

I also said. . .

"What actually is the draw over other countries is the real question. And also properly forms the answer and solution."

Do you have an option? Be brave, why do you think asylum seekers come here?

Opinion

I have no workable opinion at all of why they do . . . There are specialists in abundance that could help you with that if you are seriously concerned beyond just chatting about it on a swingers site.

Try Amnesty International.

Fair enough, I thought you might have been able to form your own opinion,

For 24 people - men women children - floating in a boat designed for leisure - nope. I will gladly leave that to the experts.

I can merely wonder about why however.

It must be frustrating and a bit limiting when you can’t make up your own mind on this ? "

For you perhaps. Not for me.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"He can't post without saying Brexit. Seeking asylum has very little if anything to do with Brexit at all. Talk about fixated

It’s only my opinion, why do you think they come here?

As I have already said that they came here long before Brexit was even a thing . . .

I also said. . .

"What actually is the draw over other countries is the real question. And also properly forms the answer and solution."

Do you have an option? Be brave, why do you think asylum seekers come here?

Opinion

I have no workable opinion at all of why they do . . . There are specialists in abundance that could help you with that if you are seriously concerned beyond just chatting about it on a swingers site.

Try Amnesty International.

Fair enough, I thought you might have been able to form your own opinion,

For 24 people - men women children - floating in a boat designed for leisure - nope. I will gladly leave that to the experts.

I can merely wonder about why however.

It must be frustrating and a bit limiting when you can’t make up your own mind on this ?

For you perhaps. Not for me. "

Indeed, I am sticking to my Brexit theory as you don’t have anything to dispute it

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By *atEvolutionCouple  over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"He can't post without saying Brexit. Seeking asylum has very little if anything to do with Brexit at all. Talk about fixated

It’s only my opinion, why do you think they come here?

As I have already said that they came here long before Brexit was even a thing . . .

I also said. . .

"What actually is the draw over other countries is the real question. And also properly forms the answer and solution."

Do you have an option? Be brave, why do you think asylum seekers come here?

Opinion

I have no workable opinion at all of why they do . . . There are specialists in abundance that could help you with that if you are seriously concerned beyond just chatting about it on a swingers site.

Try Amnesty International.

Fair enough, I thought you might have been able to form your own opinion,

For 24 people - men women children - floating in a boat designed for leisure - nope. I will gladly leave that to the experts.

I can merely wonder about why however.

It must be frustrating and a bit limiting when you can’t make up your own mind on this ?

For you perhaps. Not for me.

Indeed, I am sticking to my Brexit theory as you don’t have anything to dispute it "

Except that:

. . . they came here long long long before Brexit was even a thing.

Unless 'you' want to say why they are coming here as a result of Brexit?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"He can't post without saying Brexit. Seeking asylum has very little if anything to do with Brexit at all. Talk about fixated

It’s only my opinion, why do you think they come here?

As I have already said that they came here long before Brexit was even a thing . . .

I also said. . .

"What actually is the draw over other countries is the real question. And also properly forms the answer and solution."

Do you have an option? Be brave, why do you think asylum seekers come here?

Opinion

I have no workable opinion at all of why they do . . . There are specialists in abundance that could help you with that if you are seriously concerned beyond just chatting about it on a swingers site.

Try Amnesty International.

Fair enough, I thought you might have been able to form your own opinion,

For 24 people - men women children - floating in a boat designed for leisure - nope. I will gladly leave that to the experts.

I can merely wonder about why however.

It must be frustrating and a bit limiting when you can’t make up your own mind on this ?

For you perhaps. Not for me.

Indeed, I am sticking to my Brexit theory as you don’t have anything to dispute it

Except that:

. . . they came here long long long before Brexit was even a thing.

Unless 'you' want to say why they are coming here as a result of Brexit?

"

They are now coming here because of the benefits of Brexit Britain, why would they want to stay within the evil EU empire when they can come here instead?

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By *atEvolutionCouple  over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"He can't post without saying Brexit. Seeking asylum has very little if anything to do with Brexit at all. Talk about fixated

It’s only my opinion, why do you think they come here?

As I have already said that they came here long before Brexit was even a thing . . .

I also said. . .

"What actually is the draw over other countries is the real question. And also properly forms the answer and solution."

Do you have an option? Be brave, why do you think asylum seekers come here?

Opinion

I have no workable opinion at all of why they do . . . There are specialists in abundance that could help you with that if you are seriously concerned beyond just chatting about it on a swingers site.

Try Amnesty International.

Fair enough, I thought you might have been able to form your own opinion,

For 24 people - men women children - floating in a boat designed for leisure - nope. I will gladly leave that to the experts.

I can merely wonder about why however.

It must be frustrating and a bit limiting when you can’t make up your own mind on this ?

For you perhaps. Not for me.

Indeed, I am sticking to my Brexit theory as you don’t have anything to dispute it

Except that:

. . . they came here long long long before Brexit was even a thing.

Unless 'you' want to say why they are coming here as a result of Brexit?

They are now coming here because of the benefits of Brexit Britain, why would they want to stay within the evil EU empire when they can come here instead? "

Okay. Out.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"He can't post without saying Brexit. Seeking asylum has very little if anything to do with Brexit at all. Talk about fixated

It’s only my opinion, why do you think they come here?

As I have already said that they came here long before Brexit was even a thing . . .

I also said. . .

"What actually is the draw over other countries is the real question. And also properly forms the answer and solution."

Do you have an option? Be brave, why do you think asylum seekers come here?

Opinion

I have no workable opinion at all of why they do . . . There are specialists in abundance that could help you with that if you are seriously concerned beyond just chatting about it on a swingers site.

Try Amnesty International.

Fair enough, I thought you might have been able to form your own opinion,

For 24 people - men women children - floating in a boat designed for leisure - nope. I will gladly leave that to the experts.

I can merely wonder about why however.

It must be frustrating and a bit limiting when you can’t make up your own mind on this ?

For you perhaps. Not for me.

Indeed, I am sticking to my Brexit theory as you don’t have anything to dispute it

Except that:

. . . they came here long long long before Brexit was even a thing.

Unless 'you' want to say why they are coming here as a result of Brexit?

They are now coming here because of the benefits of Brexit Britain, why would they want to stay within the evil EU empire when they can come here instead?

Okay. Out. "

Seeya

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By *uninlondon69Man  over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

We take a fraction of the number of asylum seekers that the rest of Europe does and in a large number of cases we are responsible for selling the weapons used in the wars they are trying to escape.

A refugee can seek asylum in the first country they feel safe in and that can be for any number of reasons - family ties, language etc. Half of the Middle East is on fire because we've been arsonists for the last hundred plus years. We contribute to the mess so it's fair that we contribute to the tidying up as well.

If you've ever had to escape a civil war or genocide then feel free to tell them why they should have stopped in Turkey or Greece. If you haven't then your bleating just highlights your own failings as a human.

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"He can't post without saying Brexit. Seeking asylum has very little if anything to do with Brexit at all. Talk about fixated

It’s only my opinion, why do you think they come here? "

The compassionate people?

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"We take a fraction of the number of asylum seekers that the rest of Europe does and in a large number of cases we are responsible for selling the weapons used in the wars they are trying to escape.

A refugee can seek asylum in the first country they feel safe in and that can be for any number of reasons - family ties, language etc. Half of the Middle East is on fire because we've been arsonists for the last hundred plus years. We contribute to the mess so it's fair that we contribute to the tidying up as well.

If you've ever had to escape a civil war or genocide then feel free to tell them why they should have stopped in Turkey or Greece. If you haven't then your bleating just highlights your own failings as a human. "

Turkey and Germany were the 2 biggest ones last time I looked

But obviously they still 'all'wamma come here.

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By *oxychick35Couple  over a year ago

thornaby


"We take a fraction of the number of asylum seekers that the rest of Europe does and in a large number of cases we are responsible for selling the weapons used in the wars they are trying to escape.

A refugee can seek asylum in the first country they feel safe in and that can be for any number of reasons - family ties, language etc. Half of the Middle East is on fire because we've been arsonists for the last hundred plus years. We contribute to the mess so it's fair that we contribute to the tidying up as well.

If you've ever had to escape a civil war or genocide then feel free to tell them why they should have stopped in Turkey or Greece. If you haven't then your bleating just highlights your own failings as a human. "

half the Middle East on fire ffs not a bit over the top then

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By *ercuryMan  over a year ago

Grantham

Denmark has declared parts of Syria to be safe, and is now stripping Syrian refugees of their residency permits, prior to start the process of sending them home.

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By *ust some cock suckerMan  over a year ago

Preston


"Good idea or not ?Great but nobody will have them,if we want Gibralter to become part of Spain this is a good way to do it.

Send them back to France they have proved recently they are still our enemy"

I wonder if people that come out with comments like this have Brexit party underwear with Heir Farage on the arse......

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By *kstallionMan  over a year ago

milton keynes


"We take a fraction of the number of asylum seekers that the rest of Europe does and in a large number of cases we are responsible for selling the weapons used in the wars they are trying to escape.

A refugee can seek asylum in the first country they feel safe in and that can be for any number of reasons - family ties, language etc. Half of the Middle East is on fire because we've been arsonists for the last hundred plus years. We contribute to the mess so it's fair that we contribute to the tidying up as well.

If you've ever had to escape a civil war or genocide then feel free to tell them why they should have stopped in Turkey or Greece. If you haven't then your bleating just highlights your own failings as a human. "

It's the first safe country they are supposed to apply to not the first country they feel safe in.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Good idea or not ?Great but nobody will have them,if we want Gibralter to become part of Spain this is a good way to do it.

Send them back to France they have proved recently they are still our enemy

I wonder if people that come out with comments like this have Brexit party underwear with Heir Farage on the arse...... "

Probably, it is a frightening thought

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By *ust some cock suckerMan  over a year ago

Preston


"All of those countries they pass through and still want to be in the UK. Says something about all of those countries I suppose or does it say more about the UK?

Enquiring minds want to know.

They want to come to the UK to take advantage of all our Brexit benefits ,

Funny though the way they came in droves while we were still full members.

I know, but Brexit will make the UK even more attractive to asylum seekers, could it be classed as a Brexit benefit?

Claim it what you want it to be. Point is that they came before we left for many many years and as a writer wrote above, passed through many safe countries in-between to get here.

What actually is the draw over other countries is the real question. And also properly forms the answer and solution.

"

We're 5th in Europe in regards to the amount of asylum seekers, probably even lower in regards to refugees.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man  over a year ago

Chelmsford

And they travel through war torn France to get here..

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By *ust some cock suckerMan  over a year ago

Preston


"We take a fraction of the number of asylum seekers that the rest of Europe does and in a large number of cases we are responsible for selling the weapons used in the wars they are trying to escape.

A refugee can seek asylum in the first country they feel safe in and that can be for any number of reasons - family ties, language etc. Half of the Middle East is on fire because we've been arsonists for the last hundred plus years. We contribute to the mess so it's fair that we contribute to the tidying up as well.

If you've ever had to escape a civil war or genocide then feel free to tell them why they should have stopped in Turkey or Greece. If you haven't then your bleating just highlights your own failings as a human.

Turkey and Germany were the 2 biggest ones last time I looked

But obviously they still 'all'wamma come here."

Yes many other countries take more asylum seekers and refugees than we do but yeah "they all only wanna come here"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And they travel through war torn France to get here.."

Is France ‘worn torn ‘ ?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man  over a year ago

Chelmsford

Why do they want to come here ?

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"We take a fraction of the number of asylum seekers that the rest of Europe does and in a large number of cases we are responsible for selling the weapons used in the wars they are trying to escape.

A refugee can seek asylum in the first country they feel safe in and that can be for any number of reasons - family ties, language etc. Half of the Middle East is on fire because we've been arsonists for the last hundred plus years. We contribute to the mess so it's fair that we contribute to the tidying up as well.

If you've ever had to escape a civil war or genocide then feel free to tell them why they should have stopped in Turkey or Greece. If you haven't then your bleating just highlights your own failings as a human.

Turkey and Germany were the 2 biggest ones last time I looked

But obviously they still 'all'wamma come here.

Yes many other countries take more asylum seekers and refugees than we do but yeah "they all only wanna come here" "

They are not big on facts.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Why do they want to come here ?"

The food

The weather

Brexit

To annoy racists and Nigel Farage??

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man  over a year ago

Chelmsford

Economic migrants ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Economic migrants ?"

What about them ?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man  over a year ago

Chelmsford

They are economic migrants

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"They are economic migrants "

Who are?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man  over a year ago

Chelmsford

Benidorm is a small enclosure or island where the Brits used to flock.. all shit now

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Benidorm is a small enclosure or island where the Brits used to flock.. all shit now"

It isn’t that bad, it is full of economic migrants

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By *uninlondon69Man  over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters."

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control. "

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction."

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Economic migrants ?

Have you taken something?

Well if you flee the french guillotine in 2021 it suggests to me that they are economic migrants...

Do they still use the guillotine in France?

Yes. To slice the Parma Ham

Nice, they do have marvellous Parma Ham in France, it’s top notch

It is matured in French caves, air fried and melts in your mouth "

Indeed,

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters."

I think the parents are probally more concerned with keeping their kids safe tbh

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS  over a year ago

Notts

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis "

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok...."

Pardon?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS  over a year ago

Notts


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

I think the parents are probally more concerned with keeping their kids safe tbh"

Yes, at the expense of other people's! They used to say, fight your own battles lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon? "

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so"

Exactly? So?

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By *uninlondon69Man  over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess not if it's just oil for your satisfaction."

Don't lump me in with the politicians. I'm just giving my view on why we've sent thousands of troops over there for the last 30 years. Iraq was about oil, and without Iraq you don't get 9/11 which in turn leads to Afghanistan. If Syria had more oil then the west would be fucking them over properly instead of poking at it from a distance and watching the carnage.

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so"

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Exactly? So? "

Arms deal with saudi is horrible .let's just keep sending UK and US men and women to counter atrocious behavior. Why not lett the locals who have a better understanding deal with it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?"

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153 "

Great bunch of lads

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

Great bunch of lads "

Very tolerant towards women’s rights,

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153 "

Are they a ally yes they are have you seen the atrocious behavior no probly not just what is on the news. If there is a hope that giving arms changes the outcome of those behaviors for future generations. Well call me what you want I am for it. Sharia needs to be eradicated.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

Are they a ally yes they are have you seen the atrocious behavior no probly not just what is on the news. If there is a hope that giving arms changes the outcome of those behaviors for future generations. Well call me what you want I am for it. Sharia needs to be eradicated."

Giving them arms, your selling them and making billions

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By *uninlondon69Man  over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

Are they a ally yes they are have you seen the atrocious behavior no probly not just what is on the news. If there is a hope that giving arms changes the outcome of those behaviors for future generations. Well call me what you want I am for it. Sharia needs to be eradicated."

Team America: World Police

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

Are they a ally yes they are have you seen the atrocious behavior no probly not just what is on the news. If there is a hope that giving arms changes the outcome of those behaviors for future generations. Well call me what you want I am for it. Sharia needs to be eradicated.

Giving them arms, your selling them and making billions "

your point ? Is it stopping women buryed up to their necks and stoned to death or trans and gay thrown off cliffs to their deaths or little boys preforming sexual acts. Yes I am all for selling arms to stop it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

Are they a ally yes they are have you seen the atrocious behavior no probly not just what is on the news. If there is a hope that giving arms changes the outcome of those behaviors for future generations. Well call me what you want I am for it. Sharia needs to be eradicated.

Giving them arms, your selling them and making billions your point ? Is it stopping women buryed up to their necks and stoned to death or trans and gay thrown off cliffs to their deaths or little boys preforming sexual acts. Yes I am all for selling arms to stop it. "

It’s not stopping any of that, the US are selling arms to the Saudis for money, nothing else

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

Are they a ally yes they are have you seen the atrocious behavior no probly not just what is on the news. If there is a hope that giving arms changes the outcome of those behaviors for future generations. Well call me what you want I am for it. Sharia needs to be eradicated.

Giving them arms, your selling them and making billions your point ? Is it stopping women buryed up to their necks and stoned to death or trans and gay thrown off cliffs to their deaths or little boys preforming sexual acts. Yes I am all for selling arms to stop it.

It’s not stopping any of that, the US are selling arms to the Saudis for money, nothing else "

I was on a medvac flight wich I had to attend to a 8 year old bacha bazi. Intestine and anus damage let me know if arms sales are justified looking into a child's eyes. The CO in that company should have shot the bastard warlord. But hey you know diplomacy works right.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

Are they a ally yes they are have you seen the atrocious behavior no probly not just what is on the news. If there is a hope that giving arms changes the outcome of those behaviors for future generations. Well call me what you want I am for it. Sharia needs to be eradicated.

Giving them arms, your selling them and making billions your point ? Is it stopping women buryed up to their necks and stoned to death or trans and gay thrown off cliffs to their deaths or little boys preforming sexual acts. Yes I am all for selling arms to stop it.

It’s not stopping any of that, the US are selling arms to the Saudis for money, nothing else

I was on a medvac flight wich I had to attend to a 8 year old bacha bazi. Intestine and anus damage let me know if arms sales are justified looking into a child's eyes. The CO in that company should have shot the bastard warlord. But hey you know diplomacy works right. "

If you think that selling 100s of billions of dollars worth of arms to the Saudis is going to change that then your deluded

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS  over a year ago

Notts

they most likely had the same conversation about iron and swords, then cross bows for sure.... gun powder.... now nukes.. people have always been armed, who sells them is irrelevant really, its what they do with them, isnt it? i have a car but ive not driven it down a pavement/sidewalk

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

Are they a ally yes they are have you seen the atrocious behavior no probly not just what is on the news. If there is a hope that giving arms changes the outcome of those behaviors for future generations. Well call me what you want I am for it. Sharia needs to be eradicated.

Giving them arms, your selling them and making billions your point ? Is it stopping women buryed up to their necks and stoned to death or trans and gay thrown off cliffs to their deaths or little boys preforming sexual acts. Yes I am all for selling arms to stop it.

It’s not stopping any of that, the US are selling arms to the Saudis for money, nothing else

I was on a medvac flight wich I had to attend to a 8 year old bacha bazi. Intestine and anus damage let me know if arms sales are justified looking into a child's eyes. The CO in that company should have shot the bastard warlord. But hey you know diplomacy works right.

If you think that selling 100s of billions of dollars worth of arms to the Saudis is going to change that then your deluded "

sorry a couple million in arms is worth to stop the carnage sexual assault of children. My opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

Are they a ally yes they are have you seen the atrocious behavior no probly not just what is on the news. If there is a hope that giving arms changes the outcome of those behaviors for future generations. Well call me what you want I am for it. Sharia needs to be eradicated.

Giving them arms, your selling them and making billions your point ? Is it stopping women buryed up to their necks and stoned to death or trans and gay thrown off cliffs to their deaths or little boys preforming sexual acts. Yes I am all for selling arms to stop it.

It’s not stopping any of that, the US are selling arms to the Saudis for money, nothing else

I was on a medvac flight wich I had to attend to a 8 year old bacha bazi. Intestine and anus damage let me know if arms sales are justified looking into a child's eyes. The CO in that company should have shot the bastard warlord. But hey you know diplomacy works right.

If you think that selling 100s of billions of dollars worth of arms to the Saudis is going to change that then your deluded sorry a couple million in arms is worth to stop the carnage sexual assault of children. My opinion. "

A couple of million? It’s 100s of billions, those arms will be used to kill and maim men, women & children

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

Are they a ally yes they are have you seen the atrocious behavior no probly not just what is on the news. If there is a hope that giving arms changes the outcome of those behaviors for future generations. Well call me what you want I am for it. Sharia needs to be eradicated.

Giving them arms, your selling them and making billions your point ? Is it stopping women buryed up to their necks and stoned to death or trans and gay thrown off cliffs to their deaths or little boys preforming sexual acts. Yes I am all for selling arms to stop it.

It’s not stopping any of that, the US are selling arms to the Saudis for money, nothing else

I was on a medvac flight wich I had to attend to a 8 year old bacha bazi. Intestine and anus damage let me know if arms sales are justified looking into a child's eyes. The CO in that company should have shot the bastard warlord. But hey you know diplomacy works right.

If you think that selling 100s of billions of dollars worth of arms to the Saudis is going to change that then your deluded sorry a couple million in arms is worth to stop the carnage sexual assault of children. My opinion. "

preach humanity all you want when you staring into a child's eyes trying to tell him it will be ok in a language he does not understand hoping he does. I am a for arms that caused that in the first place.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

Are they a ally yes they are have you seen the atrocious behavior no probly not just what is on the news. If there is a hope that giving arms changes the outcome of those behaviors for future generations. Well call me what you want I am for it. Sharia needs to be eradicated.

Giving them arms, your selling them and making billions your point ? Is it stopping women buryed up to their necks and stoned to death or trans and gay thrown off cliffs to their deaths or little boys preforming sexual acts. Yes I am all for selling arms to stop it.

It’s not stopping any of that, the US are selling arms to the Saudis for money, nothing else

I was on a medvac flight wich I had to attend to a 8 year old bacha bazi. Intestine and anus damage let me know if arms sales are justified looking into a child's eyes. The CO in that company should have shot the bastard warlord. But hey you know diplomacy works right.

If you think that selling 100s of billions of dollars worth of arms to the Saudis is going to change that then your deluded sorry a couple million in arms is worth to stop the carnage sexual assault of children. My opinion. preach humanity all you want when you staring into a child's eyes trying to tell him it will be ok in a language he does not understand hoping he does. I am a for arms that caused that in the first place. "

Why do you keep referencing the same ‘incident’ that may or may not have happened as justification for the US selling arms to the Saudis? Your ‘experience’ is not unique and unfortunately happens all the time in the Middle East’s .

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

Are they a ally yes they are have you seen the atrocious behavior no probly not just what is on the news. If there is a hope that giving arms changes the outcome of those behaviors for future generations. Well call me what you want I am for it. Sharia needs to be eradicated.

Giving them arms, your selling them and making billions your point ? Is it stopping women buryed up to their necks and stoned to death or trans and gay thrown off cliffs to their deaths or little boys preforming sexual acts. Yes I am all for selling arms to stop it.

It’s not stopping any of that, the US are selling arms to the Saudis for money, nothing else

I was on a medvac flight wich I had to attend to a 8 year old bacha bazi. Intestine and anus damage let me know if arms sales are justified looking into a child's eyes. The CO in that company should have shot the bastard warlord. But hey you know diplomacy works right.

If you think that selling 100s of billions of dollars worth of arms to the Saudis is going to change that then your deluded sorry a couple million in arms is worth to stop the carnage sexual assault of children. My opinion. preach humanity all you want when you staring into a child's eyes trying to tell him it will be ok in a language he does not understand hoping he does. I am a for arms that caused that in the first place.

Why do you keep referencing the same ‘incident’ that may or may not have happened as justification for the US selling arms to the Saudis? Your ‘experience’ is not unique and unfortunately happens all the time in the Middle East’s . "

So you saying fuck it don't do anything. In my opinion if I could I would pull women and children out and glass the place. Aka nuke it. NO One deserves those atrocities. But keep watching CNN bbc and all e pleasent news you affix your attention to. I know the truth. Can't change my mind I would still double tap that warlord to this day if I had the chance. Call me a evil asshole bitch. No child deserves that.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

Are they a ally yes they are have you seen the atrocious behavior no probly not just what is on the news. If there is a hope that giving arms changes the outcome of those behaviors for future generations. Well call me what you want I am for it. Sharia needs to be eradicated.

Giving them arms, your selling them and making billions your point ? Is it stopping women buryed up to their necks and stoned to death or trans and gay thrown off cliffs to their deaths or little boys preforming sexual acts. Yes I am all for selling arms to stop it.

It’s not stopping any of that, the US are selling arms to the Saudis for money, nothing else

I was on a medvac flight wich I had to attend to a 8 year old bacha bazi. Intestine and anus damage let me know if arms sales are justified looking into a child's eyes. The CO in that company should have shot the bastard warlord. But hey you know diplomacy works right.

If you think that selling 100s of billions of dollars worth of arms to the Saudis is going to change that then your deluded sorry a couple million in arms is worth to stop the carnage sexual assault of children. My opinion. preach humanity all you want when you staring into a child's eyes trying to tell him it will be ok in a language he does not understand hoping he does. I am a for arms that caused that in the first place.

Why do you keep referencing the same ‘incident’ that may or may not have happened as justification for the US selling arms to the Saudis? Your ‘experience’ is not unique and unfortunately happens all the time in the Middle East’s .

So you saying fuck it don't do anything. In my opinion if I could I would pull women and children out and glass the place. Aka nuke it. NO One deserves those atrocities. But keep watching CNN bbc and all e pleasent news you affix your attention to. I know the truth. Can't change my mind I would still double tap that warlord to this day if I had the chance. Call me a evil asshole bitch. No child deserves that."

You don’t know the truth anymore than I know the truth, you still haven’t explained why selling arms to the Saudis is a good thing .

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

Are they a ally yes they are have you seen the atrocious behavior no probly not just what is on the news. If there is a hope that giving arms changes the outcome of those behaviors for future generations. Well call me what you want I am for it. Sharia needs to be eradicated.

Giving them arms, your selling them and making billions your point ? Is it stopping women buryed up to their necks and stoned to death or trans and gay thrown off cliffs to their deaths or little boys preforming sexual acts. Yes I am all for selling arms to stop it.

It’s not stopping any of that, the US are selling arms to the Saudis for money, nothing else

I was on a medvac flight wich I had to attend to a 8 year old bacha bazi. Intestine and anus damage let me know if arms sales are justified looking into a child's eyes. The CO in that company should have shot the bastard warlord. But hey you know diplomacy works right.

If you think that selling 100s of billions of dollars worth of arms to the Saudis is going to change that then your deluded sorry a couple million in arms is worth to stop the carnage sexual assault of children. My opinion. preach humanity all you want when you staring into a child's eyes trying to tell him it will be ok in a language he does not understand hoping he does. I am a for arms that caused that in the first place.

Why do you keep referencing the same ‘incident’ that may or may not have happened as justification for the US selling arms to the Saudis? Your ‘experience’ is not unique and unfortunately happens all the time in the Middle East’s .

So you saying fuck it don't do anything. In my opinion if I could I would pull women and children out and glass the place. Aka nuke it. NO One deserves those atrocities. But keep watching CNN bbc and all e pleasent news you affix your attention to. I know the truth. Can't change my mind I would still double tap that warlord to this day if I had the chance. Call me a evil asshole bitch. No child deserves that.

You don’t know the truth anymore than I know the truth, you still haven’t explained why selling arms to the Saudis is a good thing . "

Sunni

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

Are they a ally yes they are have you seen the atrocious behavior no probly not just what is on the news. If there is a hope that giving arms changes the outcome of those behaviors for future generations. Well call me what you want I am for it. Sharia needs to be eradicated.

Giving them arms, your selling them and making billions your point ? Is it stopping women buryed up to their necks and stoned to death or trans and gay thrown off cliffs to their deaths or little boys preforming sexual acts. Yes I am all for selling arms to stop it.

It’s not stopping any of that, the US are selling arms to the Saudis for money, nothing else

I was on a medvac flight wich I had to attend to a 8 year old bacha bazi. Intestine and anus damage let me know if arms sales are justified looking into a child's eyes. The CO in that company should have shot the bastard warlord. But hey you know diplomacy works right.

If you think that selling 100s of billions of dollars worth of arms to the Saudis is going to change that then your deluded sorry a couple million in arms is worth to stop the carnage sexual assault of children. My opinion. preach humanity all you want when you staring into a child's eyes trying to tell him it will be ok in a language he does not understand hoping he does. I am a for arms that caused that in the first place.

Why do you keep referencing the same ‘incident’ that may or may not have happened as justification for the US selling arms to the Saudis? Your ‘experience’ is not unique and unfortunately happens all the time in the Middle East’s .

So you saying fuck it don't do anything. In my opinion if I could I would pull women and children out and glass the place. Aka nuke it. NO One deserves those atrocities. But keep watching CNN bbc and all e pleasent news you affix your attention to. I know the truth. Can't change my mind I would still double tap that warlord to this day if I had the chance. Call me a evil asshole bitch. No child deserves that.

You don’t know the truth anymore than I know the truth, you still haven’t explained why selling arms to the Saudis is a good thing .

Sunni "

O dear, back to the OP

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

Are they a ally yes they are have you seen the atrocious behavior no probly not just what is on the news. If there is a hope that giving arms changes the outcome of those behaviors for future generations. Well call me what you want I am for it. Sharia needs to be eradicated.

Giving them arms, your selling them and making billions your point ? Is it stopping women buryed up to their necks and stoned to death or trans and gay thrown off cliffs to their deaths or little boys preforming sexual acts. Yes I am all for selling arms to stop it.

It’s not stopping any of that, the US are selling arms to the Saudis for money, nothing else

I was on a medvac flight wich I had to attend to a 8 year old bacha bazi. Intestine and anus damage let me know if arms sales are justified looking into a child's eyes. The CO in that company should have shot the bastard warlord. But hey you know diplomacy works right.

If you think that selling 100s of billions of dollars worth of arms to the Saudis is going to change that then your deluded sorry a couple million in arms is worth to stop the carnage sexual assault of children. My opinion. preach humanity all you want when you staring into a child's eyes trying to tell him it will be ok in a language he does not understand hoping he does. I am a for arms that caused that in the first place.

Why do you keep referencing the same ‘incident’ that may or may not have happened as justification for the US selling arms to the Saudis? Your ‘experience’ is not unique and unfortunately happens all the time in the Middle East’s .

So you saying fuck it don't do anything. In my opinion if I could I would pull women and children out and glass the place. Aka nuke it. NO One deserves those atrocities. But keep watching CNN bbc and all e pleasent news you affix your attention to. I know the truth. Can't change my mind I would still double tap that warlord to this day if I had the chance. Call me a evil asshole bitch. No child deserves that.

You don’t know the truth anymore than I know the truth, you still haven’t explained why selling arms to the Saudis is a good thing .

Sunni "

no offense I get it you have not been there it's no offense to your values. But to just sit back and not to try anything is mind boggling to me. Sharia men are evil. Period. Honor killings child sexual assault women stoned to death not does 100% sit well with me. Sunni more moderate. Call me a fool. Rather see the arms to stop that scourge.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Are these the same asylum seekers who have already traveled through several safe countries? "

That's the ones. UN convention on refugees basically says send back to first safe country they passed into....should have been doing that automatically.

From there they could then apply, through the correct channels, for asylum here.

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By *uninlondon69Man  over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"Are these the same asylum seekers who have already traveled through several safe countries?

That's the ones. UN convention on refugees basically says send back to first safe country they passed into....should have been doing that automatically.

From there they could then apply, through the correct channels, for asylum here."

No it doesn't although many do, hence why places like Uganda and Turkey have so many more asylum seekers than we do. Too many carefully worded headlines over the years have brainwashed all the racists into thinking we do way more than anyone else when we actually do far less. The word 'illegal' makes it into every story yet there is nothing illegal about any asylum claim,apart from the conditions we hold them in while we process their application. I've spent plenty of time in Penally camp and can confirm it's grim (although Tenby is a top night out )

There was a right to return asylum seekers to the the first EU country that physically processed them (fingerprinting etc) but brexit put a stop to that. Ironic that the most exciting thing in years for racists (brexit) makes their favourite hobby (deporting forriners) much more difficult

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By *untwolancashireCouple  over a year ago

Preston


"Are these the same asylum seekers who have already traveled through several safe countries?

Have they?

It was a genuine question, have they all travelled through ‘safe ‘ countries?

No comment

You don’t know then? "

Unless these people have traveled directly from a none safe country by sea or air to the UK then yes they have, anyone traveling through or via mainland Europe has passed through at least 2 or 3 safe countries. It’s about time the EU stopped playing with human lives, it’s bad enough how they have shown little concern over the lives of its own citizens with its vaccine debacle, & the threats made about stopping lawful exports of the vaccine to other countries around the world. The EU doesn’t respect anyones human life, but you defend it lol x

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool

Anerica has probally killed more people in the last 60 years or so,either through direct conflict (Vietnam, iraq,Afghanistan etc)or their numerous proxy conflicts,than anyone else in the world

They have toppled and tried to assinate world leaders.

The idea that anerica only sell arms to countries in order to stop children being hurt is patently ridiculous.

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By *untwolancashireCouple  over a year ago

Preston


"Are these the same asylum seekers who have already traveled through several safe countries?

That's the ones. UN convention on refugees basically says send back to first safe country they passed into....should have been doing that automatically.

From there they could then apply, through the correct channels, for asylum here.

No it doesn't although many do, hence why places like Uganda and Turkey have so many more asylum seekers than we do. Too many carefully worded headlines over the years have brainwashed all the racists into thinking we do way more than anyone else when we actually do far less. The word 'illegal' makes it into every story yet there is nothing illegal about any asylum claim,apart from the conditions we hold them in while we process their application. I've spent plenty of time in Penally camp and can confirm it's grim (although Tenby is a top night out )

There was a right to return asylum seekers to the the first EU country that physically processed them (fingerprinting etc) but brexit put a stop to that. Ironic that the most exciting thing in years for racists (brexit) makes their favourite hobby (deporting forriners) much more difficult "

The problem before Brexit was either these people did not register in those safe countries for what ever their reasons & the countries they entered didn’t seem to want to register their claim either. You do seem very eager to band the word racist around Brexit, are you saying all Brexit voters are racist? Or if you believe in a responsible & manageable immigration & asylum system, not just some crazy free for all, your racist? & no an asylum application is not illegal or wrong, it’s the fact they have entered the UK illegally that makes illegal a valid word for the headlines x

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By *uninlondon69Man  over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

I didn't say all brexit voters are racist, but I'll bet you can't find me a racist who voted remain. We're straying into Will Self/Mark Francois territory here.

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"I didn't say all brexit voters are racist, but I'll bet you can't find me a racist who voted remain. We're straying into Will Self/Mark Francois territory here. "

I think what I find most amusing is we like to tell the world how we fought for freedom and to free people from oppression yet we should do everything in our power to stop people coming here who are fleeing from terror.

Hypocrisy.

Its what we do best

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I didn't say all brexit voters are racist, but I'll bet you can't find me a racist who voted remain. We're straying into Will Self/Mark Francois territory here. "

How do you find a racist person who voted remain?

Most racist people are covert, and at a guess, a large number of people won't ever talk about how they voted.

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By *losguygl3Man  over a year ago

Gloucester


"We take a fraction of the number of asylum seekers that the rest of Europe does and in a large number of cases we are responsible for selling the weapons used in the wars they are trying to escape.

A refugee can seek asylum in the first country they feel safe in and that can be for any number of reasons - family ties, language etc. Half of the Middle East is on fire because we've been arsonists for the last hundred plus years. We contribute to the mess so it's fair that we contribute to the tidying up as well.

If you've ever had to escape a civil war or genocide then feel free to tell them why they should have stopped in Turkey or Greece. If you haven't then your bleating just highlights your own failings as a human. "

Well said Sir! Very well said!

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By *losguygl3Man  over a year ago

Gloucester


"Why do they want to come here ?"

Usually language or family ties. It’s certainly not for economic reasons. If they were just interested in ‘scrounging benefits’ as the asshole section of our society claims, they would stay in France or Germany as they pay more in benefits than we do. In fact they would all make a beeline for Norway as the top payout.

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By *untwolancashireCouple  over a year ago

Preston


"I didn't say all brexit voters are racist, but I'll bet you can't find me a racist who voted remain. We're straying into Will Self/Mark Francois territory here. "
I know of some racist remain voters & no I’m not just saying it, the fact is racism isn’t just on one side of things, it appears on both sides x I would agree there would more likely to be a chance of a racist to of vote Brexit than remain though x

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan  over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

curious how Pretty Repellent has proposed every little piece of rock around the planet that she thinks is somehow owned by this country as place to dump refugees, all apart from the jewel in the crown of conservative and unionist party dependencies, the Falklands.

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"He can't post without saying Brexit. Seeking asylum has very little if anything to do with Brexit at all. Talk about fixated

It’s only my opinion, why do you think they come here?

As I have already said that they came here long before Brexit was even a thing . . .

I also said. . .

"What actually is the draw over other countries is the real question. And also properly forms the answer and solution."

"

Language

Foreign historic ties

More of an Interracial society is perceived

It’s also a free safe society to them as we are still supposedly the home of justice for all.

It’s not as many claim the state benefits. They come to earn a better, safer life. You don’t put your kids in a dinghy across the Med to be able to sign on.

That’s the domain of dependants immigrating who are by far the biggest number year on year.

The proper solution is to stop bombing the shit out of their own countries and to stop selling arms to tin pot dictators. To invest in their home countries to enable opportunities there.

It’s not as we now are doing just looking after number one.

We were fortunate to be born in a country with a temperate climate that provided safe sustained food for hundreds of years enabling us to develop stable societies that became rich. They are still struggling without resource to create the same basic society.

If you struggle to eat education isn’t high on your list of priorities so development is impossible.

China is investing heavily in soft power taking advantage of our lethargy and greed.

The reluctance to allow vaccines to be manufactured in poorer countries shows our mind set. Profit over future.

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"Are these the same asylum seekers who have already traveled through several safe countries?

Have they?

It was a genuine question, have they all travelled through ‘safe ‘ countries?

No comment

You don’t know then?

Unless these people have traveled directly from a none safe country by sea or air to the UK then yes they have, anyone traveling through or via mainland Europe has passed through at least 2 or 3 safe countries. It’s about time the EU stopped playing with human lives, it’s bad enough how they have shown little concern over the lives of its own citizens with its vaccine debacle, & the threats made about stopping lawful exports of the vaccine to other countries around the world. The EU doesn’t respect anyones human life, but you defend it lol x "

You will of course call out the U.K. for not allowing poorer countries access to vaccine manufacturing then? The U.K. are pushing back on this with the WHO.

The threat on exports to the U.K. was due to the likes of Astra Zeneca fulfilling the U.K. orders in full but not getting close to half the EU orders. We’d kick off if we were being short changed.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan  over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

"

Exactly .

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

"

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

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By *ethnmelvCouple  over a year ago

Cardiff

I hate to use facts on this thread, but:

As context, there were over 30,000 asylum claims made in the UK in the year 2017, the last year for which data are available. That represents a slight fall on previous years. Meanwhile, in Europe Germany there were 222,560 asylum claims, in Italy 128,850 and in France 99,330.

In 2018, 574 people crossed the channel to claim asylum.

In summary, others in Europe are doing more & it isn’t exactly a huge problem here

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Are these the same asylum seekers who have already traveled through several safe countries?

Have they?

It was a genuine question, have they all travelled through ‘safe ‘ countries?

No comment

You don’t know then?

Unless these people have traveled directly from a none safe country by sea or air to the UK then yes they have, anyone traveling through or via mainland Europe has passed through at least 2 or 3 safe countries. It’s about time the EU stopped playing with human lives, it’s bad enough how they have shown little concern over the lives of its own citizens with its vaccine debacle, & the threats made about stopping lawful exports of the vaccine to other countries around the world. The EU doesn’t respect anyones human life, but you defend it lol x "

What had this got to do with the EU?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan  over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions."

and?

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

and?"

Well you are only fuelling the conflict by feeding their armies.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS  over a year ago

Notts

can i just say that if the usa or whoever else had never sold any weapons in the middle east, they would be killing each other with slings and stones or still using swords or.... has the area ever known lasting peace? countries are always fighting each other but it doesnt mean a free ticket to go and live where you like! i choose living with george clooney, banks of lake como, nice!

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"can i just say that if the usa or whoever else had never sold any weapons in the middle east, they would be killing each other with slings and stones or still using swords or.... has the area ever known lasting peace? countries are always fighting each other but it doesnt mean a free ticket to go and live where you like! i choose living with george clooney, banks of lake como, nice!"

Slings and stones don’t destroy buildings hospitals and societies

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions."

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist.

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. "

so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS  over a year ago

Notts


"can i just say that if the usa or whoever else had never sold any weapons in the middle east, they would be killing each other with slings and stones or still using swords or.... has the area ever known lasting peace? countries are always fighting each other but it doesnt mean a free ticket to go and live where you like! i choose living with george clooney, banks of lake como, nice!

Slings and stones don’t destroy buildings hospitals and societies "

really! the point was same situation just a different set of dates! USA didnt even exist when they started fighting... yes the care centres have improved and so have the weapons!

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs."

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it.

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"can i just say that if the usa or whoever else had never sold any weapons in the middle east, they would be killing each other with slings and stones or still using swords or.... has the area ever known lasting peace? countries are always fighting each other but it doesnt mean a free ticket to go and live where you like! i choose living with george clooney, banks of lake como, nice!

Slings and stones don’t destroy buildings hospitals and societies

really! the point was same situation just a different set of dates! USA didnt even exist when they started fighting... yes the care centres have improved and so have the weapons! "

ISIS was created mostly out of the disbanded IRAQ army. Tell me again who disbanded it??

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. "

you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies."

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan  over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney


"

Well you are only fuelling the conflict by feeding their armies with more ordnance"

fify

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS  over a year ago

Notts


"can i just say that if the usa or whoever else had never sold any weapons in the middle east, they would be killing each other with slings and stones or still using swords or.... has the area ever known lasting peace? countries are always fighting each other but it doesnt mean a free ticket to go and live where you like! i choose living with george clooney, banks of lake como, nice!

Slings and stones don’t destroy buildings hospitals and societies

really! the point was same situation just a different set of dates! USA didnt even exist when they started fighting... yes the care centres have improved and so have the weapons!

ISIS was created mostly out of the disbanded IRAQ army. Tell me again who disbanded it?? "

its just a rolling morphing monster that changes its guise but has the same fundamental wants and needs... men in charge women subservient la la la like the far right or any other extremist group, different title same objective

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. "

Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head.

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By *lutforgirlsWoman  over a year ago

sutton-in-asgfield

Abroad and told the contact the EU any turning up in a dingy deported back to the EU

We have enough self entitled freeloaders

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man  over a year ago

Chelmsford

The idea was that the Home Secretary is considering transporting the asylum seekers who arrive by boat to a remote island like Ascension island or Easter island to be processed

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The idea was that the Home Secretary is considering transporting the asylum seekers who arrive by boat to a remote island like Ascension island or Easter island to be processed "

This idea sounds costly and pointless.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Abroad and told the contact the EU any turning up in a dingy deported back to the EU

We have enough self entitled freeloaders "

Should we export all self entitled freeloaders?

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head. "

I’m not on a high horse I’m disagreeing and I believe you Costs never put a fiver in a collection box on the understanding they send you a receipt explaining the full expenditure.

I’m not saying your selfish I’m saying your argument is so again if I’ve insinuated I apologise.

If PPE wasn’t delivered but money paid its corrupt.

If the wrong ie faulty PPE was delivered is corrupt in actuality as it’s not fulfilled the agreed contract.

Why aren’t the government chasing the non delivery?? Because they know it’s tracing how shit they were but let’s leave the comparison as it goes on and on.

The aid should be given if only half of it helps. You will never guarantee the outcome due in part to the reassign it’s needed in the first place . The failure of their society which yes included theft and corruption. If all was well they probably wouldn’t need the aid in the first place.

If we didn’t sell the arms they wouldn’t be able to buy them .

Iran is bombing Yemen with Russian weapons and Saudi us bombing Yemen with US and U.K. supplied weapons.

Your head is assuming all aid generates weapons and corrupt wealth which blatantly it doesn’t .

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"can i just say that if the usa or whoever else had never sold any weapons in the middle east, they would be killing each other with slings and stones or still using swords or.... has the area ever known lasting peace? countries are always fighting each other but it doesnt mean a free ticket to go and live where you like! i choose living with george clooney, banks of lake como, nice!

Slings and stones don’t destroy buildings hospitals and societies

really! the point was same situation just a different set of dates! USA didnt even exist when they started fighting... yes the care centres have improved and so have the weapons!

ISIS was created mostly out of the disbanded IRAQ army. Tell me again who disbanded it??

its just a rolling morphing monster that changes its guise but has the same fundamental wants and needs... men in charge women subservient la la la like the far right or any other extremist group, different title same objective "

So now the s as is we give to provide food and accommodation in Syrian refugee camps is being cut by 67% . We can look forward to more desperate starving people rocking up in dinghies.

Feeding them near home is much more efficient than sending them off to islands anywhere. But reading these posts that aid doesn’t get to the camps . All those tents must be a mirage . .

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head.

I’m not on a high horse I’m disagreeing and I believe you Costs never put a fiver in a collection box on the understanding they send you a receipt explaining the full expenditure.

I’m not saying your selfish I’m saying your argument is so again if I’ve insinuated I apologise.

If PPE wasn’t delivered but money paid its corrupt.

If the wrong ie faulty PPE was delivered is corrupt in actuality as it’s not fulfilled the agreed contract.

Why aren’t the government chasing the non delivery?? Because they know it’s tracing how shit they were but let’s leave the comparison as it goes on and on.

The aid should be given if only half of it helps. You will never guarantee the outcome due in part to the reassign it’s needed in the first place . The failure of their society which yes included theft and corruption. If all was well they probably wouldn’t need the aid in the first place.

If we didn’t sell the arms they wouldn’t be able to buy them .

Iran is bombing Yemen with Russian weapons and Saudi us bombing Yemen with US and U.K. supplied weapons.

Your head is assuming all aid generates weapons and corrupt wealth which blatantly it doesn’t . "

That is not what i said at all, the aid is feeding the armies not supplying arms.The uk not supplying arms will not stop the war the French would soon fill the vacuum and would be happy to do so.It must be great living in your rose tinted glasses world but war is ugly people die and feeding armies to help that happen doesnt help.

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head.

I’m not on a high horse I’m disagreeing and I believe you Costs never put a fiver in a collection box on the understanding they send you a receipt explaining the full expenditure.

I’m not saying your selfish I’m saying your argument is so again if I’ve insinuated I apologise.

If PPE wasn’t delivered but money paid its corrupt.

If the wrong ie faulty PPE was delivered is corrupt in actuality as it’s not fulfilled the agreed contract.

Why aren’t the government chasing the non delivery?? Because they know it’s tracing how shit they were but let’s leave the comparison as it goes on and on.

The aid should be given if only half of it helps. You will never guarantee the outcome due in part to the reassign it’s needed in the first place . The failure of their society which yes included theft and corruption. If all was well they probably wouldn’t need the aid in the first place.

If we didn’t sell the arms they wouldn’t be able to buy them .

Iran is bombing Yemen with Russian weapons and Saudi us bombing Yemen with US and U.K. supplied weapons.

Your head is assuming all aid generates weapons and corrupt wealth which blatantly it doesn’t . That is not what i said at all, the aid is feeding the armies not supplying arms.The uk not supplying arms will not stop the war the French would soon fill the vacuum and would be happy to do so.It must be great living in your rose tinted glasses world but war is ugly people die and feeding armies to help that happen doesnt help."

Exactly how much of the food is going to the armies then?

I’m not living in rose tinted land. I’m well aware it has faults but to say do nothing is not the answer.

You will cause a lot more deaths through famine.

I didn’t say just the U.K. to stop selling arms and given the size of our armed forces the arms companies have to export. Maybe they should be a bit more careful as to who they sell to.

We happily sold loads arms to the Argentine junta and trained their forces but then complained because France has sold them arms which they used to attack us. Hypocritical beyond belief.

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head.

I’m not on a high horse I’m disagreeing and I believe you Costs never put a fiver in a collection box on the understanding they send you a receipt explaining the full expenditure.

I’m not saying your selfish I’m saying your argument is so again if I’ve insinuated I apologise.

If PPE wasn’t delivered but money paid its corrupt.

If the wrong ie faulty PPE was delivered is corrupt in actuality as it’s not fulfilled the agreed contract.

Why aren’t the government chasing the non delivery?? Because they know it’s tracing how shit they were but let’s leave the comparison as it goes on and on.

The aid should be given if only half of it helps. You will never guarantee the outcome due in part to the reassign it’s needed in the first place . The failure of their society which yes included theft and corruption. If all was well they probably wouldn’t need the aid in the first place.

If we didn’t sell the arms they wouldn’t be able to buy them .

Iran is bombing Yemen with Russian weapons and Saudi us bombing Yemen with US and U.K. supplied weapons.

Your head is assuming all aid generates weapons and corrupt wealth which blatantly it doesn’t . That is not what i said at all, the aid is feeding the armies not supplying arms.The uk not supplying arms will not stop the war the French would soon fill the vacuum and would be happy to do so.It must be great living in your rose tinted glasses world but war is ugly people die and feeding armies to help that happen doesnt help.

Exactly how much of the food is going to the armies then?

I’m not living in rose tinted land. I’m well aware it has faults but to say do nothing is not the answer.

You will cause a lot more deaths through famine.

I didn’t say just the U.K. to stop selling arms and given the size of our armed forces the arms companies have to export. Maybe they should be a bit more careful as to who they sell to.

We happily sold loads arms to the Argentine junta and trained their forces but then complained because France has sold them arms which they used to attack us. Hypocritical beyond belief. "

The uk is one of the most generous countries in the world when it comes to foreign aid but have a responsibility to the public (who are paying for it) to make sure it gets to the right people.I trust the people on the ground doing this daily to make the right call.

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By *andy 1Couple  over a year ago

northeast


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

Are they a ally yes they are have you seen the atrocious behavior no probly not just what is on the news. If there is a hope that giving arms changes the outcome of those behaviors for future generations. Well call me what you want I am for it. Sharia needs to be eradicated.

Giving them arms, your selling them and making billions your point ? Is it stopping women buryed up to their necks and stoned to death or trans and gay thrown off cliffs to their deaths or little boys preforming sexual acts. Yes I am all for selling arms to stop it.

It’s not stopping any of that, the US are selling arms to the Saudis for money, nothing else

I was on a medvac flight wich I had to attend to a 8 year old bacha bazi. Intestine and anus damage let me know if arms sales are justified looking into a child's eyes. The CO in that company should have shot the bastard warlord. But hey you know diplomacy works right.

If you think that selling 100s of billions of dollars worth of arms to the Saudis is going to change that then your deluded sorry a couple million in arms is worth to stop the carnage sexual assault of children. My opinion. preach humanity all you want when you staring into a child's eyes trying to tell him it will be ok in a language he does not understand hoping he does. I am a for arms that caused that in the first place.

Why do you keep referencing the same ‘incident’ that may or may not have happened as justification for the US selling arms to the Saudis? Your ‘experience’ is not unique and unfortunately happens all the time in the Middle East’s .

So you saying fuck it don't do anything. In my opinion if I could I would pull women and children out and glass the place. Aka nuke it. NO One deserves those atrocities. But keep watching CNN bbc and all e pleasent news you affix your attention to. I know the truth. Can't change my mind I would still double tap that warlord to this day if I had the chance. Call me a evil asshole bitch. No child deserves that."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Good idea or not ?Great but nobody will have them,if we want Gibralter to become part of Spain this is a good way to do it.

Send them back to France they have proved recently they are still our enemy

I wonder if people that come out with comments like this have Brexit party underwear with Heir Farage on the arse...... "

new business idea one thinks

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We take a fraction of the number of asylum seekers that the rest of Europe does and in a large number of cases we are responsible for selling the weapons used in the wars they are trying to escape.

A refugee can seek asylum in the first country they feel safe in and that can be for any number of reasons - family ties, language etc. Half of the Middle East is on fire because we've been arsonists for the last hundred plus years. We contribute to the mess so it's fair that we contribute to the tidying up as well.

If you've ever had to escape a civil war or genocide then feel free to tell them why they should have stopped in Turkey or Greece. If you haven't then your bleating just highlights your own failings as a human.

Turkey and Germany were the 2 biggest ones last time I looked

But obviously they still 'all'wamma come here.

Yes many other countries take more asylum seekers and refugees than we do but yeah "they all only wanna come here" "

and so they should if it's first safe country not first place they want to be in unless there's another way to get here with out going through europe

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS  over a year ago

Notts


"can i just say that if the usa or whoever else had never sold any weapons in the middle east, they would be killing each other with slings and stones or still using swords or.... has the area ever known lasting peace? countries are always fighting each other but it doesnt mean a free ticket to go and live where you like! i choose living with george clooney, banks of lake como, nice!

Slings and stones don’t destroy buildings hospitals and societies

really! the point was same situation just a different set of dates! USA didnt even exist when they started fighting... yes the care centres have improved and so have the weapons!

ISIS was created mostly out of the disbanded IRAQ army. Tell me again who disbanded it??

its just a rolling morphing monster that changes its guise but has the same fundamental wants and needs... men in charge women subservient la la la like the far right or any other extremist group, different title same objective

So now the s as is we give to provide food and accommodation in Syrian refugee camps is being cut by 67% . We can look forward to more desperate starving people rocking up in dinghies.

Feeding them near home is much more efficient than sending them off to islands anywhere. But reading these posts that aid doesn’t get to the camps . All those tents must be a mirage . . "

You change tact with every answer but don't actually counter the answer, pointless conversation.

But to original question, I think fit young men and women should stay and build the country they want and not flee and abandon it, I don't think that is necessarily the answer

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By *ercuryMan  over a year ago

Grantham


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head.

I’m not on a high horse I’m disagreeing and I believe you Costs never put a fiver in a collection box on the understanding they send you a receipt explaining the full expenditure.

I’m not saying your selfish I’m saying your argument is so again if I’ve insinuated I apologise.

If PPE wasn’t delivered but money paid its corrupt.

If the wrong ie faulty PPE was delivered is corrupt in actuality as it’s not fulfilled the agreed contract.

Why aren’t the government chasing the non delivery?? Because they know it’s tracing how shit they were but let’s leave the comparison as it goes on and on.

The aid should be given if only half of it helps. You will never guarantee the outcome due in part to the reassign it’s needed in the first place . The failure of their society which yes included theft and corruption. If all was well they probably wouldn’t need the aid in the first place.

If we didn’t sell the arms they wouldn’t be able to buy them .

Iran is bombing Yemen with Russian weapons and Saudi us bombing Yemen with US and U.K. supplied weapons.

Your head is assuming all aid generates weapons and corrupt wealth which blatantly it doesn’t . That is not what i said at all, the aid is feeding the armies not supplying arms.The uk not supplying arms will not stop the war the French would soon fill the vacuum and would be happy to do so.It must be great living in your rose tinted glasses world but war is ugly people die and feeding armies to help that happen doesnt help.

Exactly how much of the food is going to the armies then?

I’m not living in rose tinted land. I’m well aware it has faults but to say do nothing is not the answer.

You will cause a lot more deaths through famine.

I didn’t say just the U.K. to stop selling arms and given the size of our armed forces the arms companies have to export. Maybe they should be a bit more careful as to who they sell to.

We happily sold loads arms to the Argentine junta and trained their forces but then complained because France has sold them arms which they used to attack us. Hypocritical beyond belief. "

Argentina weren't our enemy when we were selling arms to them. As soon as they invaded South Georgia, all arms sales to them were embargoed.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS  over a year ago

Notts


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head.

I’m not on a high horse I’m disagreeing and I believe you Costs never put a fiver in a collection box on the understanding they send you a receipt explaining the full expenditure.

I’m not saying your selfish I’m saying your argument is so again if I’ve insinuated I apologise.

If PPE wasn’t delivered but money paid its corrupt.

If the wrong ie faulty PPE was delivered is corrupt in actuality as it’s not fulfilled the agreed contract.

Why aren’t the government chasing the non delivery?? Because they know it’s tracing how shit they were but let’s leave the comparison as it goes on and on.

The aid should be given if only half of it helps. You will never guarantee the outcome due in part to the reassign it’s needed in the first place . The failure of their society which yes included theft and corruption. If all was well they probably wouldn’t need the aid in the first place.

If we didn’t sell the arms they wouldn’t be able to buy them .

Iran is bombing Yemen with Russian weapons and Saudi us bombing Yemen with US and U.K. supplied weapons.

Your head is assuming all aid generates weapons and corrupt wealth which blatantly it doesn’t . That is not what i said at all, the aid is feeding the armies not supplying arms.The uk not supplying arms will not stop the war the French would soon fill the vacuum and would be happy to do so.It must be great living in your rose tinted glasses world but war is ugly people die and feeding armies to help that happen doesnt help.

Exactly how much of the food is going to the armies then?

I’m not living in rose tinted land. I’m well aware it has faults but to say do nothing is not the answer.

You will cause a lot more deaths through famine.

I didn’t say just the U.K. to stop selling arms and given the size of our armed forces the arms companies have to export. Maybe they should be a bit more careful as to who they sell to.

We happily sold loads arms to the Argentine junta and trained their forces but then complained because France has sold them arms which they used to attack us. Hypocritical beyond belief.

Argentina weren't our enemy when we were selling arms to them. As soon as they invaded South Georgia, all arms sales to them were embargoed. "

Yes! So many of these threads re becoming pointless with people just picking random events out of history and re embroidering it!

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head.

I’m not on a high horse I’m disagreeing and I believe you Costs never put a fiver in a collection box on the understanding they send you a receipt explaining the full expenditure.

I’m not saying your selfish I’m saying your argument is so again if I’ve insinuated I apologise.

If PPE wasn’t delivered but money paid its corrupt.

If the wrong ie faulty PPE was delivered is corrupt in actuality as it’s not fulfilled the agreed contract.

Why aren’t the government chasing the non delivery?? Because they know it’s tracing how shit they were but let’s leave the comparison as it goes on and on.

The aid should be given if only half of it helps. You will never guarantee the outcome due in part to the reassign it’s needed in the first place . The failure of their society which yes included theft and corruption. If all was well they probably wouldn’t need the aid in the first place.

If we didn’t sell the arms they wouldn’t be able to buy them .

Iran is bombing Yemen with Russian weapons and Saudi us bombing Yemen with US and U.K. supplied weapons.

Your head is assuming all aid generates weapons and corrupt wealth which blatantly it doesn’t . That is not what i said at all, the aid is feeding the armies not supplying arms.The uk not supplying arms will not stop the war the French would soon fill the vacuum and would be happy to do so.It must be great living in your rose tinted glasses world but war is ugly people die and feeding armies to help that happen doesnt help.

Exactly how much of the food is going to the armies then?

I’m not living in rose tinted land. I’m well aware it has faults but to say do nothing is not the answer.

You will cause a lot more deaths through famine.

I didn’t say just the U.K. to stop selling arms and given the size of our armed forces the arms companies have to export. Maybe they should be a bit more careful as to who they sell to.

We happily sold loads arms to the Argentine junta and trained their forces but then complained because France has sold them arms which they used to attack us. Hypocritical beyond belief. The uk is one of the most generous countries in the world when it comes to foreign aid but have a responsibility to the public (who are paying for it) to make sure it gets to the right people.I trust the people on the ground doing this daily to make the right call."

I can only agree with that .

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head.

I’m not on a high horse I’m disagreeing and I believe you Costs never put a fiver in a collection box on the understanding they send you a receipt explaining the full expenditure.

I’m not saying your selfish I’m saying your argument is so again if I’ve insinuated I apologise.

If PPE wasn’t delivered but money paid its corrupt.

If the wrong ie faulty PPE was delivered is corrupt in actuality as it’s not fulfilled the agreed contract.

Why aren’t the government chasing the non delivery?? Because they know it’s tracing how shit they were but let’s leave the comparison as it goes on and on.

The aid should be given if only half of it helps. You will never guarantee the outcome due in part to the reassign it’s needed in the first place . The failure of their society which yes included theft and corruption. If all was well they probably wouldn’t need the aid in the first place.

If we didn’t sell the arms they wouldn’t be able to buy them .

Iran is bombing Yemen with Russian weapons and Saudi us bombing Yemen with US and U.K. supplied weapons.

Your head is assuming all aid generates weapons and corrupt wealth which blatantly it doesn’t . That is not what i said at all, the aid is feeding the armies not supplying arms.The uk not supplying arms will not stop the war the French would soon fill the vacuum and would be happy to do so.It must be great living in your rose tinted glasses world but war is ugly people die and feeding armies to help that happen doesnt help.

Exactly how much of the food is going to the armies then?

I’m not living in rose tinted land. I’m well aware it has faults but to say do nothing is not the answer.

You will cause a lot more deaths through famine.

I didn’t say just the U.K. to stop selling arms and given the size of our armed forces the arms companies have to export. Maybe they should be a bit more careful as to who they sell to.

We happily sold loads arms to the Argentine junta and trained their forces but then complained because France has sold them arms which they used to attack us. Hypocritical beyond belief.

Argentina weren't our enemy when we were selling arms to them. As soon as they invaded South Georgia, all arms sales to them were embargoed. "

They were a military junta who made thousands of people disappear without a trace. Look up the widows of Buenos Aires . We sold arms knowing they were a bunch of murderers . We helped them suppress their own people. No excuse

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head.

I’m not on a high horse I’m disagreeing and I believe you Costs never put a fiver in a collection box on the understanding they send you a receipt explaining the full expenditure.

I’m not saying your selfish I’m saying your argument is so again if I’ve insinuated I apologise.

If PPE wasn’t delivered but money paid its corrupt.

If the wrong ie faulty PPE was delivered is corrupt in actuality as it’s not fulfilled the agreed contract.

Why aren’t the government chasing the non delivery?? Because they know it’s tracing how shit they were but let’s leave the comparison as it goes on and on.

The aid should be given if only half of it helps. You will never guarantee the outcome due in part to the reassign it’s needed in the first place . The failure of their society which yes included theft and corruption. If all was well they probably wouldn’t need the aid in the first place.

If we didn’t sell the arms they wouldn’t be able to buy them .

Iran is bombing Yemen with Russian weapons and Saudi us bombing Yemen with US and U.K. supplied weapons.

Your head is assuming all aid generates weapons and corrupt wealth which blatantly it doesn’t . That is not what i said at all, the aid is feeding the armies not supplying arms.The uk not supplying arms will not stop the war the French would soon fill the vacuum and would be happy to do so.It must be great living in your rose tinted glasses world but war is ugly people die and feeding armies to help that happen doesnt help.

Exactly how much of the food is going to the armies then?

I’m not living in rose tinted land. I’m well aware it has faults but to say do nothing is not the answer.

You will cause a lot more deaths through famine.

I didn’t say just the U.K. to stop selling arms and given the size of our armed forces the arms companies have to export. Maybe they should be a bit more careful as to who they sell to.

We happily sold loads arms to the Argentine junta and trained their forces but then complained because France has sold them arms which they used to attack us. Hypocritical beyond belief.

Argentina weren't our enemy when we were selling arms to them. As soon as they invaded South Georgia, all arms sales to them were embargoed.

Yes! So many of these threads re becoming pointless with people just picking random events out of history and re embroidering it! "

I disagree . It’s about the morals of this country. They are definitely open for question. We are lucky we live in a society where for now we can challenge and speak out.

To deny refugees access given the small numbers is the sign of a very selfish country.

We allow hundreds of thousands of dependents in every year and never mention their ability to sign on as soon as they arrive.

It’s politically sensitive as it will be called racism as 90% come from the Indian sub-continent.

The refugees are a drop the ocean compared to legal immigration. Dependant laws aren’t affected by the points system. It’s the media making out we are being flooded by refugees .

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS  over a year ago

Notts


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head.

I’m not on a high horse I’m disagreeing and I believe you Costs never put a fiver in a collection box on the understanding they send you a receipt explaining the full expenditure.

I’m not saying your selfish I’m saying your argument is so again if I’ve insinuated I apologise.

If PPE wasn’t delivered but money paid its corrupt.

If the wrong ie faulty PPE was delivered is corrupt in actuality as it’s not fulfilled the agreed contract.

Why aren’t the government chasing the non delivery?? Because they know it’s tracing how shit they were but let’s leave the comparison as it goes on and on.

The aid should be given if only half of it helps. You will never guarantee the outcome due in part to the reassign it’s needed in the first place . The failure of their society which yes included theft and corruption. If all was well they probably wouldn’t need the aid in the first place.

If we didn’t sell the arms they wouldn’t be able to buy them .

Iran is bombing Yemen with Russian weapons and Saudi us bombing Yemen with US and U.K. supplied weapons.

Your head is assuming all aid generates weapons and corrupt wealth which blatantly it doesn’t . That is not what i said at all, the aid is feeding the armies not supplying arms.The uk not supplying arms will not stop the war the French would soon fill the vacuum and would be happy to do so.It must be great living in your rose tinted glasses world but war is ugly people die and feeding armies to help that happen doesnt help.

Exactly how much of the food is going to the armies then?

I’m not living in rose tinted land. I’m well aware it has faults but to say do nothing is not the answer.

You will cause a lot more deaths through famine.

I didn’t say just the U.K. to stop selling arms and given the size of our armed forces the arms companies have to export. Maybe they should be a bit more careful as to who they sell to.

We happily sold loads arms to the Argentine junta and trained their forces but then complained because France has sold them arms which they used to attack us. Hypocritical beyond belief.

Argentina weren't our enemy when we were selling arms to them. As soon as they invaded South Georgia, all arms sales to them were embargoed.

Yes! So many of these threads re becoming pointless with people just picking random events out of history and re embroidering it!

I disagree . It’s about the morals of this country. They are definitely open for question. We are lucky we live in a society where for now we can challenge and speak out.

To deny refugees access given the small numbers is the sign of a very selfish country.

We allow hundreds of thousands of dependents in every year and never mention their ability to sign on as soon as they arrive.

It’s politically sensitive as it will be called racism as 90% come from the Indian sub-continent.

The refugees are a drop the ocean compared to legal immigration. Dependant laws aren’t affected by the points system. It’s the media making out we are being flooded by refugees . "

i refer you to my earlier reply back up the thread...that you ignored and changed tack on, they were fighting in the middle east at the dawn of civilization and have kept going, the west didnt cause their issues, its just changed from rock throwing and slings to AK47s

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head.

I’m not on a high horse I’m disagreeing and I believe you Costs never put a fiver in a collection box on the understanding they send you a receipt explaining the full expenditure.

I’m not saying your selfish I’m saying your argument is so again if I’ve insinuated I apologise.

If PPE wasn’t delivered but money paid its corrupt.

If the wrong ie faulty PPE was delivered is corrupt in actuality as it’s not fulfilled the agreed contract.

Why aren’t the government chasing the non delivery?? Because they know it’s tracing how shit they were but let’s leave the comparison as it goes on and on.

The aid should be given if only half of it helps. You will never guarantee the outcome due in part to the reassign it’s needed in the first place . The failure of their society which yes included theft and corruption. If all was well they probably wouldn’t need the aid in the first place.

If we didn’t sell the arms they wouldn’t be able to buy them .

Iran is bombing Yemen with Russian weapons and Saudi us bombing Yemen with US and U.K. supplied weapons.

Your head is assuming all aid generates weapons and corrupt wealth which blatantly it doesn’t . That is not what i said at all, the aid is feeding the armies not supplying arms.The uk not supplying arms will not stop the war the French would soon fill the vacuum and would be happy to do so.It must be great living in your rose tinted glasses world but war is ugly people die and feeding armies to help that happen doesnt help.

Exactly how much of the food is going to the armies then?

I’m not living in rose tinted land. I’m well aware it has faults but to say do nothing is not the answer.

You will cause a lot more deaths through famine.

I didn’t say just the U.K. to stop selling arms and given the size of our armed forces the arms companies have to export. Maybe they should be a bit more careful as to who they sell to.

We happily sold loads arms to the Argentine junta and trained their forces but then complained because France has sold them arms which they used to attack us. Hypocritical beyond belief.

Argentina weren't our enemy when we were selling arms to them. As soon as they invaded South Georgia, all arms sales to them were embargoed.

Yes! So many of these threads re becoming pointless with people just picking random events out of history and re embroidering it!

I disagree . It’s about the morals of this country. They are definitely open for question. We are lucky we live in a society where for now we can challenge and speak out.

To deny refugees access given the small numbers is the sign of a very selfish country.

We allow hundreds of thousands of dependents in every year and never mention their ability to sign on as soon as they arrive.

It’s politically sensitive as it will be called racism as 90% come from the Indian sub-continent.

The refugees are a drop the ocean compared to legal immigration. Dependant laws aren’t affected by the points system. It’s the media making out we are being flooded by refugees .

i refer you to my earlier reply back up the thread...that you ignored and changed tack on, they were fighting in the middle east at the dawn of civilization and have kept going, the west didnt cause their issues, its just changed from rock throwing and slings to AK47s "

Indeed as we also have fought on this island for millennia . We have also fought our neighbours for hundreds of years recently too.

WW1 & WW2 for example. We just kill more people.

Iraq was stable although under Saddam’s heel. We supported him fighting Iran.

We invaded and destroyed their society totally. There was no plan for afterwards. The only building guarded by our forces was the oil ministry. Telling.

The west invading was the direct cause of the region descending into chaos which wasn’t there before. We just didn’t like the leaders.

The recent total chaos was our fault nothing to do with ancient history.

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By *oxychick35Couple  over a year ago

thornaby


"War torn countries wouldn't it be more prudent to train and equip men and women of age to help take back their countries. Do we have to as NATO provide our son's and daughters.

Depends whether or not they have oil we want to control.

Been there so human rights twords women don't matter to you. Not just oil. Taliban isis ect... Guess

not if it's just oil for your satisfaction.

They don’t matter to the US, hence their arms deals with the Saudis

But you all for the government the houthi is backed by the one that supports sharia law. Ok....

Pardon?

Is the houthi supported by iran yes. Is saudi enacting change twords women. Yes so

Have they stopped chopping up journalists yet?

They are ‘enacting change towards women ‘ global gender gap index, 141st out of 153

Are they a ally yes they are have you seen the atrocious behavior no probly not just what is on the news. If there is a hope that giving arms changes the outcome of those behaviors for future generations. Well call me what you want I am for it. Sharia needs to be eradicated.

Giving them arms, your selling them and making billions your point ? Is it stopping women buryed up to their necks and stoned to death or trans and gay thrown off cliffs to their deaths or little boys preforming sexual acts. Yes I am all for selling arms to stop it.

It’s not stopping any of that, the US are selling arms to the Saudis for money, nothing else

I was on a medvac flight wich I had to attend to a 8 year old bacha bazi. Intestine and anus damage let me know if arms sales are justified looking into a child's eyes. The CO in that company should have shot the bastard warlord. But hey you know diplomacy works right.

If you think that selling 100s of billions of dollars worth of arms to the Saudis is going to change that then your deluded "

howay then if the Saudies can’t change it what can ? It’s easy sat thousands of miles away in ya arm chair being an expert explain to the guy who’s been there seen it what the change needs to be then ????

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By *oxychick35Couple  over a year ago

thornaby


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head.

I’m not on a high horse I’m disagreeing and I believe you Costs never put a fiver in a collection box on the understanding they send you a receipt explaining the full expenditure.

I’m not saying your selfish I’m saying your argument is so again if I’ve insinuated I apologise.

If PPE wasn’t delivered but money paid its corrupt.

If the wrong ie faulty PPE was delivered is corrupt in actuality as it’s not fulfilled the agreed contract.

Why aren’t the government chasing the non delivery?? Because they know it’s tracing how shit they were but let’s leave the comparison as it goes on and on.

The aid should be given if only half of it helps. You will never guarantee the outcome due in part to the reassign it’s needed in the first place . The failure of their society which yes included theft and corruption. If all was well they probably wouldn’t need the aid in the first place.

If we didn’t sell the arms they wouldn’t be able to buy them .

Iran is bombing Yemen with Russian weapons and Saudi us bombing Yemen with US and U.K. supplied weapons.

Your head is assuming all aid generates weapons and corrupt wealth which blatantly it doesn’t . That is not what i said at all, the aid is feeding the armies not supplying arms.The uk not supplying arms will not stop the war the French would soon fill the vacuum and would be happy to do so.It must be great living in your rose tinted glasses world but war is ugly people die and feeding armies to help that happen doesnt help.

Exactly how much of the food is going to the armies then?

I’m not living in rose tinted land. I’m well aware it has faults but to say do nothing is not the answer.

You will cause a lot more deaths through famine.

I didn’t say just the U.K. to stop selling arms and given the size of our armed forces the arms companies have to export. Maybe they should be a bit more careful as to who they sell to.

We happily sold loads arms to the Argentine junta and trained their forces but then complained because France has sold them arms which they used to attack us. Hypocritical beyond belief.

Argentina weren't our enemy when we were selling arms to them. As soon as they invaded South Georgia, all arms sales to them were embargoed.

Yes! So many of these threads re becoming pointless with people just picking random events out of history and re embroidering it!

I disagree . It’s about the morals of this country. They are definitely open for question. We are lucky we live in a society where for now we can challenge and speak out.

To deny refugees access given the small numbers is the sign of a very selfish country.

We allow hundreds of thousands of dependents in every year and never mention their ability to sign on as soon as they arrive.

It’s politically sensitive as it will be called racism as 90% come from the Indian sub-continent.

The refugees are a drop the ocean compared to legal immigration. Dependant laws aren’t affected by the points system. It’s the media making out we are being flooded by refugees . "

so do you think we should stop all these dependants coming amd signing on then or is that to sensitive a subject ?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS  over a year ago

Notts


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head.

I’m not on a high horse I’m disagreeing and I believe you Costs never put a fiver in a collection box on the understanding they send you a receipt explaining the full expenditure.

I’m not saying your selfish I’m saying your argument is so again if I’ve insinuated I apologise.

If PPE wasn’t delivered but money paid its corrupt.

If the wrong ie faulty PPE was delivered is corrupt in actuality as it’s not fulfilled the agreed contract.

Why aren’t the government chasing the non delivery?? Because they know it’s tracing how shit they were but let’s leave the comparison as it goes on and on.

The aid should be given if only half of it helps. You will never guarantee the outcome due in part to the reassign it’s needed in the first place . The failure of their society which yes included theft and corruption. If all was well they probably wouldn’t need the aid in the first place.

If we didn’t sell the arms they wouldn’t be able to buy them .

Iran is bombing Yemen with Russian weapons and Saudi us bombing Yemen with US and U.K. supplied weapons.

Your head is assuming all aid generates weapons and corrupt wealth which blatantly it doesn’t . That is not what i said at all, the aid is feeding the armies not supplying arms.The uk not supplying arms will not stop the war the French would soon fill the vacuum and would be happy to do so.It must be great living in your rose tinted glasses world but war is ugly people die and feeding armies to help that happen doesnt help.

Exactly how much of the food is going to the armies then?

I’m not living in rose tinted land. I’m well aware it has faults but to say do nothing is not the answer.

You will cause a lot more deaths through famine.

I didn’t say just the U.K. to stop selling arms and given the size of our armed forces the arms companies have to export. Maybe they should be a bit more careful as to who they sell to.

We happily sold loads arms to the Argentine junta and trained their forces but then complained because France has sold them arms which they used to attack us. Hypocritical beyond belief.

Argentina weren't our enemy when we were selling arms to them. As soon as they invaded South Georgia, all arms sales to them were embargoed.

Yes! So many of these threads re becoming pointless with people just picking random events out of history and re embroidering it!

I disagree . It’s about the morals of this country. They are definitely open for question. We are lucky we live in a society where for now we can challenge and speak out.

To deny refugees access given the small numbers is the sign of a very selfish country.

We allow hundreds of thousands of dependents in every year and never mention their ability to sign on as soon as they arrive.

It’s politically sensitive as it will be called racism as 90% come from the Indian sub-continent.

The refugees are a drop the ocean compared to legal immigration. Dependant laws aren’t affected by the points system. It’s the media making out we are being flooded by refugees .

i refer you to my earlier reply back up the thread...that you ignored and changed tack on, they were fighting in the middle east at the dawn of civilization and have kept going, the west didnt cause their issues, its just changed from rock throwing and slings to AK47s

Indeed as we also have fought on this island for millennia . We have also fought our neighbours for hundreds of years recently too.

WW1 & WW2 for example. We just kill more people.

Iraq was stable although under Saddam’s heel. We supported him fighting Iran.

We invaded and destroyed their society totally. There was no plan for afterwards. The only building guarded by our forces was the oil ministry. Telling.

The west invading was the direct cause of the region descending into chaos which wasn’t there before. We just didn’t like the leaders.

The recent total chaos was our fault nothing to do with ancient history.

"

Yep we've all had a lot of wars, and a war means you win or lose, it doesn't mean you can move next door lol

UK has evolved through invasion and its residents staying put and building, not by its population abandoning it

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head.

I’m not on a high horse I’m disagreeing and I believe you Costs never put a fiver in a collection box on the understanding they send you a receipt explaining the full expenditure.

I’m not saying your selfish I’m saying your argument is so again if I’ve insinuated I apologise.

If PPE wasn’t delivered but money paid its corrupt.

If the wrong ie faulty PPE was delivered is corrupt in actuality as it’s not fulfilled the agreed contract.

Why aren’t the government chasing the non delivery?? Because they know it’s tracing how shit they were but let’s leave the comparison as it goes on and on.

The aid should be given if only half of it helps. You will never guarantee the outcome due in part to the reassign it’s needed in the first place . The failure of their society which yes included theft and corruption. If all was well they probably wouldn’t need the aid in the first place.

If we didn’t sell the arms they wouldn’t be able to buy them .

Iran is bombing Yemen with Russian weapons and Saudi us bombing Yemen with US and U.K. supplied weapons.

Your head is assuming all aid generates weapons and corrupt wealth which blatantly it doesn’t . That is not what i said at all, the aid is feeding the armies not supplying arms.The uk not supplying arms will not stop the war the French would soon fill the vacuum and would be happy to do so.It must be great living in your rose tinted glasses world but war is ugly people die and feeding armies to help that happen doesnt help.

Exactly how much of the food is going to the armies then?

I’m not living in rose tinted land. I’m well aware it has faults but to say do nothing is not the answer.

You will cause a lot more deaths through famine.

I didn’t say just the U.K. to stop selling arms and given the size of our armed forces the arms companies have to export. Maybe they should be a bit more careful as to who they sell to.

We happily sold loads arms to the Argentine junta and trained their forces but then complained because France has sold them arms which they used to attack us. Hypocritical beyond belief.

Argentina weren't our enemy when we were selling arms to them. As soon as they invaded South Georgia, all arms sales to them were embargoed.

Yes! So many of these threads re becoming pointless with people just picking random events out of history and re embroidering it!

I disagree . It’s about the morals of this country. They are definitely open for question. We are lucky we live in a society where for now we can challenge and speak out.

To deny refugees access given the small numbers is the sign of a very selfish country.

We allow hundreds of thousands of dependents in every year and never mention their ability to sign on as soon as they arrive.

It’s politically sensitive as it will be called racism as 90% come from the Indian sub-continent.

The refugees are a drop the ocean compared to legal immigration. Dependant laws aren’t affected by the points system. It’s the media making out we are being flooded by refugees .

i refer you to my earlier reply back up the thread...that you ignored and changed tack on, they were fighting in the middle east at the dawn of civilization and have kept going, the west didnt cause their issues, its just changed from rock throwing and slings to AK47s

Indeed as we also have fought on this island for millennia . We have also fought our neighbours for hundreds of years recently too.

WW1 & WW2 for example. We just kill more people.

Iraq was stable although under Saddam’s heel. We supported him fighting Iran.

We invaded and destroyed their society totally. There was no plan for afterwards. The only building guarded by our forces was the oil ministry. Telling.

The west invading was the direct cause of the region descending into chaos which wasn’t there before. We just didn’t like the leaders.

The recent total chaos was our fault nothing to do with ancient history.

Yep we've all had a lot of wars, and a war means you win or lose, it doesn't mean you can move next door lol

UK has evolved through invasion and its residents staying put and building, not by its population abandoning it "

In afganistan I know this is off subject. Alot of tribes preferred the british lee enfield over the AK. It was tried and true for them.

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By *ebbie69Couple  over a year ago

milton keynes

If the process does not change and they get a fair hearing why does it matter if they are processed offshore

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head.

I’m not on a high horse I’m disagreeing and I believe you Costs never put a fiver in a collection box on the understanding they send you a receipt explaining the full expenditure.

I’m not saying your selfish I’m saying your argument is so again if I’ve insinuated I apologise.

If PPE wasn’t delivered but money paid its corrupt.

If the wrong ie faulty PPE was delivered is corrupt in actuality as it’s not fulfilled the agreed contract.

Why aren’t the government chasing the non delivery?? Because they know it’s tracing how shit they were but let’s leave the comparison as it goes on and on.

The aid should be given if only half of it helps. You will never guarantee the outcome due in part to the reassign it’s needed in the first place . The failure of their society which yes included theft and corruption. If all was well they probably wouldn’t need the aid in the first place.

If we didn’t sell the arms they wouldn’t be able to buy them .

Iran is bombing Yemen with Russian weapons and Saudi us bombing Yemen with US and U.K. supplied weapons.

Your head is assuming all aid generates weapons and corrupt wealth which blatantly it doesn’t . That is not what i said at all, the aid is feeding the armies not supplying arms.The uk not supplying arms will not stop the war the French would soon fill the vacuum and would be happy to do so.It must be great living in your rose tinted glasses world but war is ugly people die and feeding armies to help that happen doesnt help.

Exactly how much of the food is going to the armies then?

I’m not living in rose tinted land. I’m well aware it has faults but to say do nothing is not the answer.

You will cause a lot more deaths through famine.

I didn’t say just the U.K. to stop selling arms and given the size of our armed forces the arms companies have to export. Maybe they should be a bit more careful as to who they sell to.

We happily sold loads arms to the Argentine junta and trained their forces but then complained because France has sold them arms which they used to attack us. Hypocritical beyond belief.

Argentina weren't our enemy when we were selling arms to them. As soon as they invaded South Georgia, all arms sales to them were embargoed.

Yes! So many of these threads re becoming pointless with people just picking random events out of history and re embroidering it!

I disagree . It’s about the morals of this country. They are definitely open for question. We are lucky we live in a society where for now we can challenge and speak out.

To deny refugees access given the small numbers is the sign of a very selfish country.

We allow hundreds of thousands of dependents in every year and never mention their ability to sign on as soon as they arrive.

It’s politically sensitive as it will be called racism as 90% come from the Indian sub-continent.

The refugees are a drop the ocean compared to legal immigration. Dependant laws aren’t affected by the points system. It’s the media making out we are being flooded by refugees . so do you think we should stop all these dependants coming amd signing on then or is that to sensitive a subject ?"

I’m not advocating that’s the all . I’m questioning the hysteria over a few thousand desperate people being vilified for trying to get a better life while we sit here in our safe secure lives calling them scroungers.

Who the fuck do we think we are!! Most of those complaining would curl up crying like babies if they had to spend just 24hours living these poor bastards lives.

Empathy is in short supply on here.

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"If the process does not change and they get a fair hearing why does it matter if they are processed offshore"

So why change the location if it’s not changing?

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich


"If the process does not change and they get a fair hearing why does it matter if they are processed offshore

So why change the location if it’s not changing? "

Maybe they want to help the airlines now instead of the hotels.

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head.

I’m not on a high horse I’m disagreeing and I believe you Costs never put a fiver in a collection box on the understanding they send you a receipt explaining the full expenditure.

I’m not saying your selfish I’m saying your argument is so again if I’ve insinuated I apologise.

If PPE wasn’t delivered but money paid its corrupt.

If the wrong ie faulty PPE was delivered is corrupt in actuality as it’s not fulfilled the agreed contract.

Why aren’t the government chasing the non delivery?? Because they know it’s tracing how shit they were but let’s leave the comparison as it goes on and on.

The aid should be given if only half of it helps. You will never guarantee the outcome due in part to the reassign it’s needed in the first place . The failure of their society which yes included theft and corruption. If all was well they probably wouldn’t need the aid in the first place.

If we didn’t sell the arms they wouldn’t be able to buy them .

Iran is bombing Yemen with Russian weapons and Saudi us bombing Yemen with US and U.K. supplied weapons.

Your head is assuming all aid generates weapons and corrupt wealth which blatantly it doesn’t . That is not what i said at all, the aid is feeding the armies not supplying arms.The uk not supplying arms will not stop the war the French would soon fill the vacuum and would be happy to do so.It must be great living in your rose tinted glasses world but war is ugly people die and feeding armies to help that happen doesnt help.

Exactly how much of the food is going to the armies then?

I’m not living in rose tinted land. I’m well aware it has faults but to say do nothing is not the answer.

You will cause a lot more deaths through famine.

I didn’t say just the U.K. to stop selling arms and given the size of our armed forces the arms companies have to export. Maybe they should be a bit more careful as to who they sell to.

We happily sold loads arms to the Argentine junta and trained their forces but then complained because France has sold them arms which they used to attack us. Hypocritical beyond belief.

Argentina weren't our enemy when we were selling arms to them. As soon as they invaded South Georgia, all arms sales to them were embargoed.

Yes! So many of these threads re becoming pointless with people just picking random events out of history and re embroidering it!

I disagree . It’s about the morals of this country. They are definitely open for question. We are lucky we live in a society where for now we can challenge and speak out.

To deny refugees access given the small numbers is the sign of a very selfish country.

We allow hundreds of thousands of dependents in every year and never mention their ability to sign on as soon as they arrive.

It’s politically sensitive as it will be called racism as 90% come from the Indian sub-continent.

The refugees are a drop the ocean compared to legal immigration. Dependant laws aren’t affected by the points system. It’s the media making out we are being flooded by refugees .

i refer you to my earlier reply back up the thread...that you ignored and changed tack on, they were fighting in the middle east at the dawn of civilization and have kept going, the west didnt cause their issues, its just changed from rock throwing and slings to AK47s

Indeed as we also have fought on this island for millennia . We have also fought our neighbours for hundreds of years recently too.

WW1 & WW2 for example. We just kill more people.

Iraq was stable although under Saddam’s heel. We supported him fighting Iran.

We invaded and destroyed their society totally. There was no plan for afterwards. The only building guarded by our forces was the oil ministry. Telling.

The west invading was the direct cause of the region descending into chaos which wasn’t there before. We just didn’t like the leaders.

The recent total chaos was our fault nothing to do with ancient history.

Yep we've all had a lot of wars, and a war means you win or lose, it doesn't mean you can move next door lol

UK has evolved through invasion and its residents staying put and building, not by its population abandoning it "

If your dying from starvation today history doesn’t make you feel better!

So if China invaded us and destroyed our country you would just say that’s fine.

You’re starving and there’s no food or housing you just sit and wait for your children to die or do you get off your arse and look to move to where there is food?

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By *ackal1Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"If the process does not change and they get a fair hearing why does it matter if they are processed offshore

So why change the location if it’s not changing? Maybe they want to help the airlines now instead of the hotels."

So fly them out and then fly them back if they succeed? I’m thinking bullshit. Fly them out and hide the problem from our legal system.

The impression from the press that they are all at the likes of the Hilton is just media whipping the uninformed into a frenzy. .

DSS pay for hotels at the bottom of the scale who usually don’t even register a star never mind a review. The word hotel is used rather than accommodation as it gives a note of spoilt comfort that right wing media pounce on. The reality is more than likely less salubrious.

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By *oxychick35Couple  over a year ago

thornaby


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head.

I’m not on a high horse I’m disagreeing and I believe you Costs never put a fiver in a collection box on the understanding they send you a receipt explaining the full expenditure.

I’m not saying your selfish I’m saying your argument is so again if I’ve insinuated I apologise.

If PPE wasn’t delivered but money paid its corrupt.

If the wrong ie faulty PPE was delivered is corrupt in actuality as it’s not fulfilled the agreed contract.

Why aren’t the government chasing the non delivery?? Because they know it’s tracing how shit they were but let’s leave the comparison as it goes on and on.

The aid should be given if only half of it helps. You will never guarantee the outcome due in part to the reassign it’s needed in the first place . The failure of their society which yes included theft and corruption. If all was well they probably wouldn’t need the aid in the first place.

If we didn’t sell the arms they wouldn’t be able to buy them .

Iran is bombing Yemen with Russian weapons and Saudi us bombing Yemen with US and U.K. supplied weapons.

Your head is assuming all aid generates weapons and corrupt wealth which blatantly it doesn’t . That is not what i said at all, the aid is feeding the armies not supplying arms.The uk not supplying arms will not stop the war the French would soon fill the vacuum and would be happy to do so.It must be great living in your rose tinted glasses world but war is ugly people die and feeding armies to help that happen doesnt help.

Exactly how much of the food is going to the armies then?

I’m not living in rose tinted land. I’m well aware it has faults but to say do nothing is not the answer.

You will cause a lot more deaths through famine.

I didn’t say just the U.K. to stop selling arms and given the size of our armed forces the arms companies have to export. Maybe they should be a bit more careful as to who they sell to.

We happily sold loads arms to the Argentine junta and trained their forces but then complained because France has sold them arms which they used to attack us. Hypocritical beyond belief.

Argentina weren't our enemy when we were selling arms to them. As soon as they invaded South Georgia, all arms sales to them were embargoed.

Yes! So many of these threads re becoming pointless with people just picking random events out of history and re embroidering it!

I disagree . It’s about the morals of this country. They are definitely open for question. We are lucky we live in a society where for now we can challenge and speak out.

To deny refugees access given the small numbers is the sign of a very selfish country.

We allow hundreds of thousands of dependents in every year and never mention their ability to sign on as soon as they arrive.

It’s politically sensitive as it will be called racism as 90% come from the Indian sub-continent.

The refugees are a drop the ocean compared to legal immigration. Dependant laws aren’t affected by the points system. It’s the media making out we are being flooded by refugees . so do you think we should stop all these dependants coming amd signing on then or is that to sensitive a subject ?

I’m not advocating that’s the all . I’m questioning the hysteria over a few thousand desperate people being vilified for trying to get a better life while we sit here in our safe secure lives calling them scroungers.

Who the fuck do we think we are!! Most of those complaining would curl up crying like babies if they had to spend just 24hours living these poor bastards lives.

Empathy is in short supply on here.

"

so maybe campaign to change the rules of the first safe country they reach then ye ? If I was escaping war with my kids I’d want the first safe country for my family if o was looking for a more prosperous life then I would be looking for a richer country I don’t blame a single one of them but when they are in France and they risk there kids lives crossing the channel me empathy wavers a bit mate then it becomes a few extra pounds over euros

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By *ebbie69Couple  over a year ago

milton keynes


"remove aid payments to yemen with one hand but continue to supply the ordnance used against them with the other.

If you think the aid is reaching the people who need it you are dreaming. Its a war zone its only being highjacked by the conflicting factions.

Indeed I’m sure some of it doesn’t get through but talking to Oxfam, the red crescent and the Red Cross I would suggest that a lot does. The s washouts helmets funded in part by the west saved thousands of lives in Middle East war zones . Even comic relief showed some of their success last night or are they making that up?

To cut off aid because of the few thieving bastards would destroy the lives of the many it does benefit..

Should we stop PPE supplies because so many dealers are ripping the U.K. taxpayers off? That’s a lot of money not going to our NHS.

If aid programs didn’t work at all they wouldn’t exist. so you are in talks with oxfam etc as well now mmmmmm,hardly the same thing as ppe dealers is it? feeding armies to continue killing ffs.

Sorry I didn’t write that correctly . I did speak to to a professional senior fundraiser for Oxfam as we are a sponsor. I have not spoken to the other two individually and was suggesting you could. My mistake.

But don’t let my error distract you from aid being a benefit as it is definitely even with the faults.

I got involved with Oxfam guy as at the time half of their costs were admin. They have reformed since.

Why isn’t it the same corruption? You not giving money is the same to dealers of PPE keeping it and corrupt leaders keeping it.

They don’t just buy guns they buy villas and sell the aid to put money in offshore accounts just like the PPE dealers. It’s a con whichever way you look at it. you will be telling me the local tea leaf down the road who nicks a bottle of vodka out the shop is as bad as feeding an army intent on killing people next. Nothing to do with corruption these people highjack supplies going to needy people to feed their armies.

So the NHS isn’t in need interesting!!

Whatever way you try to deflect aid has benefits even though it’s at risk every time. But would you rather the kids starve because you’re worried not 109% of your aid wil make it??

You’re reasoning is selfish beyond belief. Its impossible to argue when the facts are that foreign aid is being used by opposing armies and your perceived view that ppe procurement was corrupt something that has no one has been found guilty of or for that matter ever gone to court for.So you keep on your high horse and try to justify yourself by what is in your head.

I’m not on a high horse I’m disagreeing and I believe you Costs never put a fiver in a collection box on the understanding they send you a receipt explaining the full expenditure.

I’m not saying your selfish I’m saying your argument is so again if I’ve insinuated I apologise.

If PPE wasn’t delivered but money paid its corrupt.

If the wrong ie faulty PPE was delivered is corrupt in actuality as it’s not fulfilled the agreed contract.

Why aren’t the government chasing the non delivery?? Because they know it’s tracing how shit they were but let’s leave the comparison as it goes on and on.

The aid should be given if only half of it helps. You will never guarantee the outcome due in part to the reassign it’s needed in the first place . The failure of their society which yes included theft and corruption. If all was well they probably wouldn’t need the aid in the first place.

If we didn’t sell the arms they wouldn’t be able to buy them .

Iran is bombing Yemen with Russian weapons and Saudi us bombing Yemen with US and U.K. supplied weapons.

Your head is assuming all aid generates weapons and corrupt wealth which blatantly it doesn’t . That is not what i said at all, the aid is feeding the armies not supplying arms.The uk not supplying arms will not stop the war the French would soon fill the vacuum and would be happy to do so.It must be great living in your rose tinted glasses world but war is ugly people die and feeding armies to help that happen doesnt help.

Exactly how much of the food is going to the armies then?

I’m not living in rose tinted land. I’m well aware it has faults but to say do nothing is not the answer.

You will cause a lot more deaths through famine.

I didn’t say just the U.K. to stop selling arms and given the size of our armed forces the arms companies have to export. Maybe they should be a bit more careful as to who they sell to.

We happily sold loads arms to the Argentine junta and trained their forces but then complained because France has sold them arms which they used to attack us. Hypocritical beyond belief.

Argentina weren't our enemy when we were selling arms to them. As soon as they invaded South Georgia, all arms sales to them were embargoed.

Yes! So many of these threads re becoming pointless with people just picking random events out of history and re embroidering it!

I disagree . It’s about the morals of this country. They are definitely open for question. We are lucky we live in a society where for now we can challenge and speak out.

To deny refugees access given the small numbers is the sign of a very selfish country.

We allow hundreds of thousands of dependents in every year and never mention their ability to sign on as soon as they arrive.

It’s politically sensitive as it will be called racism as 90% come from the Indian sub-continent.

The refugees are a drop the ocean compared to legal immigration. Dependant laws aren’t affected by the points system. It’s the media making out we are being flooded by refugees . so do you think we should stop all these dependants coming amd signing on then or is that to sensitive a subject ?

I’m not advocating that’s the all . I’m questioning the hysteria over a few thousand desperate people being vilified for trying to get a better life while we sit here in our safe secure lives calling them scroungers.

Who the fuck do we think we are!! Most of those complaining would curl up crying like babies if they had to spend just 24hours living these poor bastards lives.

Empathy is in short supply on here.

so maybe campaign to change the rules of the first safe country they reach then ye ? If I was escaping war with my kids I’d want the first safe country for my family if o was looking for a more prosperous life then I would be looking for a richer country I don’t blame a single one of them but when they are in France and they risk there kids lives crossing the channel me empathy wavers a bit mate then it becomes a few extra pounds over euros "

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By *ooo wet tight hornyWoman  over a year ago

lancashire


"All of those countries they pass through and still want to be in the UK. Says something about all of those countries I suppose or does it say more about the UK?

Enquiring minds want to know. "

Do they get Benefits in those places the same as they would here?

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By *ebbie69Couple  over a year ago

milton keynes


"If the process does not change and they get a fair hearing why does it matter if they are processed offshore

So why change the location if it’s not changing? "

Are you saying the process is to change as well? I have not heard this, only a proposal to carry out the process offshore. Why would they worry about the location if their safe and being processed. It's not a new thing. Just been reading that Australia have been doing this for years and the EU also explored the same thing.

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