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Misogyny law?

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Ive been watch Stella Creasy? talking about this. Will it work or could it make things worse? Eg generation of resentment in misogynistic men rather than getting to root causes and re education.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke. HOT WIVES Sat 01

I think it has to be framed into Law somehow. The level of Misogyny just on this Politics forum is appalling at times.

Comments like 'time of the month is it' are Neanderthal at least and dangerous at best. It's teaches a language of behaviour that should have been extinct a century ago.

It should be taught at primary school too.

How to frame a law around it is perhaps a lot more difficult however.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Ive been watch Stella Creasy? talking about this. Will it work or could it make things worse? Eg generation of resentment in misogynistic men rather than getting to root causes and re education. "

Are they trying to make misogeny illegal?

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke. HOT WIVES Sat 01

"Ive been watch Stella Creasy? talking about this. Will it work or could it make things worse? Eg generation of resentment in misogynistic men rather than getting to root causes and re education.

Are they trying to make misogeny illegal?"

To make it a hate crime.

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By *uliaChrisCouple over a year ago

westerham

I'm always ultra sceptical of new laws particularly because the current ones aren't enforced anyway.

Announcing a new crime or stiffer sentencing guidelines are an easy headline for any government or opposition politician, without sufficient police and courts its just hot air.

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

If it makes people think twice about their behaviour then I’m for a carefully thought out law.

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By *lashnannieCouple over a year ago

Dundee

Misogyny.... a feeling of hate towards women. Very badly used word bandied about to describe all sorts of sexism. There are issues to be sorted out in society but i don't know how easy it would be to establish 'hatred' in a court of law

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

It needs to start with education.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"If it makes people think twice about their behaviour then I’m for a carefully thought out law.

Agree but in relation to the issue, it has to be more than just legislation that's left to the police to enforce..

It needs massive societal, cultural changes in all areas and walks of life, we still decades after the fair pay act have women in some areas of the workplace paid less..

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"I think it has to be framed into Law somehow. The level of Misogyny just on this Politics forum is appalling at times.

Comments like 'time of the month is it' are Neanderthal at least and dangerous at best. It's teaches a language of behaviour that should have been extinct a century ago.

It should be taught at primary school too.

How to frame a law around it is perhaps a lot more difficult however."

Totally agree with you. It clearly exists and is more prevalent than we would hope. Can you criminalise it, I hope so but it requires a societal change which we all need to embrace. Sadly too many will yell snowflake or woke when they should be supporting change

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I think it has to be framed into Law somehow. The level of Misogyny just on this Politics forum is appalling at times.

Comments like 'time of the month is it' are Neanderthal at least and dangerous at best. It's teaches a language of behaviour that should have been extinct a century ago.

It should be taught at primary school too.

How to frame a law around it is perhaps a lot more difficult however.

I agree, it's something that needs a lot more than a quick fix

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"Ive been watch Stella Creasy? talking about this. Will it work or could it make things worse? Eg generation of resentment in misogynistic men rather than getting to root causes and re education. "
A load of modern day crap.

We are all human and men and women are often ruled by there sexual urges and you cannot educate against what is natural to you.

If a man or woman cannot control themselves they should be locked up but you cannot educate against who and what we are.

Examples Gay people,lesbians,tranvestites etc.

Sadly we are all human and nothing will change that well maybe a lobotomy

Ok hard and nasty but most of you hate the truth I know.We are not civlised we are generations from being so.

Yes teach people to be good and have high moral compass and right from wrong but it will not make the problem go away

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

We are all human and men and women are often ruled by there sexual urges and you cannot educate against what is natural to you.

If a man or woman cannot control themselves they should be locked up but you cannot educate against who and what we are.

Examples Gay people,lesbians,tranvestites etc.

Sadly we are all human and nothing will change that well maybe a lobotomy

Ok hard and nasty but most of you hate the truth I know.We are not civlised we are generations from being so.

Yes teach people to be good and have high moral compass and right from wrong but it will not make the problem go away

Apologist, men cause these problems. End of story. It is never a womans fault that she is murdered.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

We are all human and men and women are often ruled by there sexual urges and you cannot educate against what is natural to you.

If a man or woman cannot control themselves they should be locked up but you cannot educate against who and what we are.

Examples Gay people,lesbians,tranvestites etc.

Sadly we are all human and nothing will change that well maybe a lobotomy

Ok hard and nasty but most of you hate the truth I know.We are not civlised we are generations from being so.

Yes teach people to be good and have high moral compass and right from wrong but it will not make the problem go away

Not sure you speak for anyone tbh with views like that just be quiet perhaps..?

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke. HOT WIVES Sat 01

We are all human and men and women are often ruled by there sexual urges and you cannot educate against what is natural to you.

If a man or woman cannot control themselves they should be locked up but you cannot educate against who and what we are.

Examples Gay people,lesbians,tranvestites etc.

Sadly we are all human and nothing will change that well maybe a lobotomy

Ok hard and nasty but most of you hate the truth I know.We are not civlised we are generations from being so.

Yes teach people to be good and have high moral compass and right from wrong but it will not make the problem go away

Yes you can educate against this type of thinking and behaviour - I notice you didn't use the word Racism in your short list of things that can't be educated against. What a shallow way of thinking.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke. HOT WIVES Sat 01

We are all human and men and women are often ruled by there sexual urges and you cannot educate against what is natural to you.

If a man or woman cannot control themselves they should be locked up but you cannot educate against who and what we are.

Examples Gay people,lesbians,tranvestites etc.

Sadly we are all human and nothing will change that well maybe a lobotomy

Ok hard and nasty but most of you hate the truth I know.We are not civlised we are generations from being so.

Yes teach people to be good and have high moral compass and right from wrong but it will not make the problem go away

Apologist, men cause these problems. End of story. It is never a womans fault that she is murdered."

Or abused.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We are all human and men and women are often ruled by there sexual urges and you cannot educate against what is natural to you.

If a man or woman cannot control themselves they should be locked up but you cannot educate against who and what we are.

Examples Gay people,lesbians,tranvestites etc.

Sadly we are all human and nothing will change that well maybe a lobotomy

Ok hard and nasty but most of you hate the truth I know.We are not civlised we are generations from being so.

Yes teach people to be good and have high moral compass and right from wrong but it will not make the problem go away

Apologist, men cause these problems. End of story. It is never a womans fault that she is murdered.

Or abused. "

I find this is quite odd. And call em whatever you like but it's also never a mans fault or a transgenders fault that they are murdered or abused.

That's not me saying that some men aren't misogynistic but blanket statements will never help.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

We are all human and men and women are often ruled by there sexual urges and you cannot educate against what is natural to you.

If a man or woman cannot control themselves they should be locked up but you cannot educate against who and what we are.

Examples Gay people,lesbians,tranvestites etc.

Sadly we are all human and nothing will change that well maybe a lobotomy

Ok hard and nasty but most of you hate the truth I know.We are not civlised we are generations from being so.

Yes teach people to be good and have high moral compass and right from wrong but it will not make the problem go away

Apologist, men cause these problems. End of story. It is never a womans fault that she is murdered.

Or abused.

I find this is quite odd. And call em whatever you like but it's also never a mans fault or a transgenders fault that they are murdered or abused.

That's not me saying that some men aren't misogynistic but blanket statements will never help."

Given that the vast majority of murders and assaults are carried out by men, it is fair for those that get murdered and assaulted to ask for some degree of protection.

Pretending that men are in any equivalence here is pathetic.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

We are all human and men and women are often ruled by there sexual urges and you cannot educate against what is natural to you.

If a man or woman cannot control themselves they should be locked up but you cannot educate against who and what we are.

Examples Gay people,lesbians,tranvestites etc.

Sadly we are all human and nothing will change that well maybe a lobotomy

Ok hard and nasty but most of you hate the truth I know.We are not civlised we are generations from being so.

Yes teach people to be good and have high moral compass and right from wrong but it will not make the problem go away

Apologist, men cause these problems. End of story. It is never a womans fault that she is murdered."
I take it you did not understand what I was saying

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We are all human and men and women are often ruled by there sexual urges and you cannot educate against what is natural to you.

If a man or woman cannot control themselves they should be locked up but you cannot educate against who and what we are.

Examples Gay people,lesbians,tranvestites etc.

Sadly we are all human and nothing will change that well maybe a lobotomy

Ok hard and nasty but most of you hate the truth I know.We are not civlised we are generations from being so.

Yes teach people to be good and have high moral compass and right from wrong but it will not make the problem go away

Apologist, men cause these problems. End of story. It is never a womans fault that she is murdered.

Or abused.

I find this is quite odd. And call em whatever you like but it's also never a mans fault or a transgenders fault that they are murdered or abused.

That's not me saying that some men aren't misogynistic but blanket statements will never help.

Given that the vast majority of murders and assaults are carried out by men, it is fair for those that get murdered and assaulted to ask for some degree of protection.

Pretending that men are in any equivalence here is pathetic.

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

We are all human and men and women are often ruled by there sexual urges and you cannot educate against what is natural to you.

If a man or woman cannot control themselves they should be locked up but you cannot educate against who and what we are.

Examples Gay people,lesbians,tranvestites etc.

Sadly we are all human and nothing will change that well maybe a lobotomy

Ok hard and nasty but most of you hate the truth I know.We are not civlised we are generations from being so.

Yes teach people to be good and have high moral compass and right from wrong but it will not make the problem go away

Apologist, men cause these problems. End of story. It is never a womans fault that she is murdered.I take it you did not understand what I was saying"

Explain, if I didn’t get it then perhaps many didn’t also.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

We are all human and men and women are often ruled by there sexual urges and you cannot educate against what is natural to you.

If a man or woman cannot control themselves they should be locked up but you cannot educate against who and what we are.

Examples Gay people,lesbians,tranvestites etc.

Sadly we are all human and nothing will change that well maybe a lobotomy

Ok hard and nasty but most of you hate the truth I know.We are not civlised we are generations from being so.

Yes teach people to be good and have high moral compass and right from wrong but it will not make the problem go away

It's not just sexual though. One example being a woman on the tube calling her mum in a station, saying she wasn't happy with non mask wearers, a guy followed her and shouted insults, he was an aggressive tosser who could easily have beat her up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We are all human and men and women are often ruled by there sexual urges and you cannot educate against what is natural to you.

If a man or woman cannot control themselves they should be locked up but you cannot educate against who and what we are.

Examples Gay people,lesbians,tranvestites etc.

Sadly we are all human and nothing will change that well maybe a lobotomy

Ok hard and nasty but most of you hate the truth I know.We are not civlised we are generations from being so.

Yes teach people to be good and have high moral compass and right from wrong but it will not make the problem go away

Apologist, men cause these problems. End of story. It is never a womans fault that she is murdered.

Or abused.

I find this is quite odd. And call em whatever you like but it's also never a mans fault or a transgenders fault that they are murdered or abused.

That's not me saying that some men aren't misogynistic but blanket statements will never help.

Given that the vast majority of murders and assaults are carried out by men, it is fair for those that get murdered and assaulted to ask for some degree of protection.

Pretending that men are in any equivalence here is pathetic.

Who is pretending? Men, women and transgender are all murdered by men in the majority.

But according to this it's only women who should feel protected. Anyone saying anything to the contrary is misogynistic and dismissed.

BTW, just because people don't agree on certain things doesn't automatically make them wrong.

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By *eparrain1Man over a year ago

Stone

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke. HOT WIVES Sat 01

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

Unlike america we don't take to the notion that if we don't like or it threatens us we should buy a gun and shoot it or walk around in swat gear pretending we are extras from a Death Wish movie. Our Democracy is much more mature than that.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

the met will clearly need to sack the vast majority of the force then.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke. HOT WIVES Sat 01

"the met will clearly need to sack the vast majority of the force then."

Why?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

"the met will clearly need to sack the vast majority of the force then."

Yes I’m sure the gangs would just love that one

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke. HOT WIVES Sat 01

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

Are both illegal in this country.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke. HOT WIVES Sat 01

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?"

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

Not 'on duty', much will come out and whilst there will only be his version etc there may well be forensic and other evidence which might give a broader picture of how, when and where etc..

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke. HOT WIVES Sat 01

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

Not 'on duty', much will come out and whilst there will only be his version etc there may well be forensic and other evidence which might give a broader picture of how, when and where etc.."

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

We dont know the circumstances

He may have told her he was a policeman to feel safe?

What I am trying to say is the that using mace or whatever is not the solution to every problem

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

We dont know the circumstances

He may have told her he was a policeman to feel safe?

What I am trying to say is the that using mace or whatever is not the solution to every problem "

You are not worried about a law when you are taking your last breath from a evil individual now are you ? You are fighting to stay alive. He did not care about murder laws.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke. HOT WIVES Sat 01

Still doesn't make mace or pepper spray any more legal in the UK.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

We dont know the circumstances

He may have told her he was a policeman to feel safe?

What I am trying to say is the that using mace or whatever is not the solution to every problem

You are not worried about a law when you are taking your last breath from a evil individual now are you ? You are fighting to stay alive. He did not care about murder laws."

Completely missing my point.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

We dont know the circumstances

He may have told her he was a policeman to feel safe?

What I am trying to say is the that using mace or whatever is not the solution to every problem

You are not worried about a law when you are taking your last breath from a evil individual now are you ? You are fighting to stay alive. He did not care about murder laws.

Completely missing my point."

Mace not a solution enacting change with education and efficient laws. Is your point. Was he a police officer. Yes he was. Was he educated on the law ? then again yes he was. So tell me how educating and laws apply to this poor woman's death ? If she had a glimmer of hope from some type of personal protection wouldn't that be more prudent ?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

We dont know the circumstances

He may have told her he was a policeman to feel safe?

What I am trying to say is the that using mace or whatever is not the solution to every problem

You are not worried about a law when you are taking your last breath from a evil individual now are you ? You are fighting to stay alive. He did not care about murder laws.

Completely missing my point.

Its hard to say without knowing the full details but if he did tell he was plod,then she wouldn't have thought herself any danger.

Not every situation a woman finds herself in,can be resolved by a spray of mace.

Inappropriate comments for example.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

We dont know the circumstances

He may have told her he was a policeman to feel safe?

What I am trying to say is the that using mace or whatever is not the solution to every problem

You are not worried about a law when you are taking your last breath from a evil individual now are you ? You are fighting to stay alive. He did not care about murder laws.

Completely missing my point.

Its hard to say without knowing the full details but if he did tell he was plod,then she wouldn't have thought herself any danger.

Not every situation a woman finds herself in,can be resolved by a spray of mace.

Inappropriate comments for example. "

I agree with you 100% not every situation warrants use. I do not use mine just for comments. But threats are totally different.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke. HOT WIVES Sat 01

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

We dont know the circumstances

He may have told her he was a policeman to feel safe?

What I am trying to say is the that using mace or whatever is not the solution to every problem

You are not worried about a law when you are taking your last breath from a evil individual now are you ? You are fighting to stay alive. He did not care about murder laws.

Completely missing my point.

Doesn't seem to matter just how many times this is said to you . . .

"Mace and Pepper Spray is illegal in the UK."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

We dont know the circumstances

He may have told her he was a policeman to feel safe?

What I am trying to say is the that using mace or whatever is not the solution to every problem

You are not worried about a law when you are taking your last breath from a evil individual now are you ? You are fighting to stay alive. He did not care about murder laws.

Completely missing my point.

Doesn't seem to matter just how many times this is said to you . . .

"Mace and Pepper Spray is illegal in the UK."

No it doesn't the law should be changed.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke. HOT WIVES Sat 01

Doesn't seem to matter just how many times this is said to you . . .

"Mace and Pepper Spray is illegal in the UK."

No it doesn't the law should be changed."

We seem to like our passive democracy to keep within the bounds of legally declared conflict however.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Doesn't seem to matter just how many times this is said to you . . .

"Mace and Pepper Spray is illegal in the UK."

No it doesn't the law should be changed.

We seem to like our passive democracy to keep within the bounds of legally declared conflict however."

So a woman protecting herself is a big no. Just trying to wrap my head around the concept.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

We dont know the circumstances

He may have told her he was a policeman to feel safe?

What I am trying to say is the that using mace or whatever is not the solution to every problem

You are not worried about a law when you are taking your last breath from a evil individual now are you ? You are fighting to stay alive. He did not care about murder laws.

Completely missing my point.

Doesn't seem to matter just how many times this is said to you . . .

"Mace and Pepper Spray is illegal in the UK."

No it doesn't the law should be changed."

Do women get attacked in the states?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

We dont know the circumstances

He may have told her he was a policeman to feel safe?

What I am trying to say is the that using mace or whatever is not the solution to every problem

You are not worried about a law when you are taking your last breath from a evil individual now are you ? You are fighting to stay alive. He did not care about murder laws.

Completely missing my point.

Doesn't seem to matter just how many times this is said to you . . .

"Mace and Pepper Spray is illegal in the UK."

No it doesn't the law should be changed.

Do women get attacked in the states?"

Of course they do are all women armed of course they are not. We have those options if we want to pursue them. It's a choice not mandatory.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

We dont know the circumstances

He may have told her he was a policeman to feel safe?

What I am trying to say is the that using mace or whatever is not the solution to every problem

You are not worried about a law when you are taking your last breath from a evil individual now are you ? You are fighting to stay alive. He did not care about murder laws.

Completely missing my point.

Doesn't seem to matter just how many times this is said to you . . .

"Mace and Pepper Spray is illegal in the UK."

No it doesn't the law should be changed.

Do women get attacked in the states?

Of course they do are all women armed of course they are not. We have those options if we want to pursue them. It's a choice not mandatory."

So it doesnt really stop it then?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

We dont know the circumstances

He may have told her he was a policeman to feel safe?

What I am trying to say is the that using mace or whatever is not the solution to every problem

You are not worried about a law when you are taking your last breath from a evil individual now are you ? You are fighting to stay alive. He did not care about murder laws.

Completely missing my point.

Doesn't seem to matter just how many times this is said to you . . .

"Mace and Pepper Spray is illegal in the UK."

No it doesn't the law should be changed.

Do women get attacked in the states?

Of course they do are all women armed of course they are not. We have those options if we want to pursue them. It's a choice not mandatory.

So it doesnt really stop it then?"

And it is not going to now is it? Criminals will be criminals.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

We dont know the circumstances

He may have told her he was a policeman to feel safe?

What I am trying to say is the that using mace or whatever is not the solution to every problem

You are not worried about a law when you are taking your last breath from a evil individual now are you ? You are fighting to stay alive. He did not care about murder laws.

Completely missing my point.

Doesn't seem to matter just how many times this is said to you . . .

"Mace and Pepper Spray is illegal in the UK."

No it doesn't the law should be changed.

Do women get attacked in the states?

Of course they do are all women armed of course they are not. We have those options if we want to pursue them. It's a choice not mandatory.

So it doesnt really stop it then?

And it is not going to now is it? Criminals will be criminals."

But once again you are missing the point.

It's not just about violent attacks...its about a whole range of behaviours.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

We dont know the circumstances

He may have told her he was a policeman to feel safe?

What I am trying to say is the that using mace or whatever is not the solution to every problem

You are not worried about a law when you are taking your last breath from a evil individual now are you ? You are fighting to stay alive. He did not care about murder laws.

Completely missing my point.

Doesn't seem to matter just how many times this is said to you . . .

"Mace and Pepper Spray is illegal in the UK."

No it doesn't the law should be changed.

Do women get attacked in the states?

Of course they do are all women armed of course they are not. We have those options if we want to pursue them. It's a choice not mandatory.

So it doesnt really stop it then?

And it is not going to now is it? Criminals will be criminals.

But once again you are missing the point.

It's not just about violent attacks...its about a whole range of behaviours. "

Once again I agree. But like I said so what is the solution. Leave self defense out. How does a society change that behavior knowing there will be always criminal elements.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

We dont know the circumstances

He may have told her he was a policeman to feel safe?

What I am trying to say is the that using mace or whatever is not the solution to every problem

You are not worried about a law when you are taking your last breath from a evil individual now are you ? You are fighting to stay alive. He did not care about murder laws.

Completely missing my point.

Doesn't seem to matter just how many times this is said to you . . .

"Mace and Pepper Spray is illegal in the UK."

No it doesn't the law should be changed.

Do women get attacked in the states?

Of course they do are all women armed of course they are not. We have those options if we want to pursue them. It's a choice not mandatory.

So it doesnt really stop it then?

And it is not going to now is it? Criminals will be criminals.

But once again you are missing the point.

It's not just about violent attacks...its about a whole range of behaviours.

Once again I agree. But like I said so what is the solution. Leave self defense out. How does a society change that behavior knowing there will be always criminal elements."

Education

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

We dont know the circumstances

He may have told her he was a policeman to feel safe?

What I am trying to say is the that using mace or whatever is not the solution to every problem

You are not worried about a law when you are taking your last breath from a evil individual now are you ? You are fighting to stay alive. He did not care about murder laws.

Completely missing my point.

Doesn't seem to matter just how many times this is said to you . . .

"Mace and Pepper Spray is illegal in the UK."

No it doesn't the law should be changed.

Do women get attacked in the states?

Of course they do are all women armed of course they are not. We have those options if we want to pursue them. It's a choice not mandatory.

So it doesnt really stop it then?

And it is not going to now is it? Criminals will be criminals.

But once again you are missing the point.

It's not just about violent attacks...its about a whole range of behaviours.

Once again I agree. But like I said so what is the solution. Leave self defense out. How does a society change that behavior knowing there will be always criminal elements.

Education "

You can educate all you want to but certain individuals are still going to choose the latter.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Doesn't seem to matter just how many times this is said to you . . .

"Mace and Pepper Spray is illegal in the UK."

No it doesn't the law should be changed.

We seem to like our passive democracy to keep within the bounds of legally declared conflict however.

So a woman protecting herself is a big no. Just trying to wrap my head around the concept."

A woman can do but not with the two items quoted..

To say it's a big no is simply not true..

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke. HOT WIVES Sat 01

Education

You can educate all you want to but certain individuals are still going to choose the latter."

So we seek to frame a Law that makes women safer using a détente. Like I said. Mature Democracy. Not Cowboys and Indians.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke. HOT WIVES Sat 01

Personally I see a pattern of women that can't have any form of personal protection. But hey you can use the crayons you are so astute on using for me and draw rainbows and butterflies if it makes you feel better."

If your understanding of the UK is that women just need to be violent in response to violence then you really do need to go back right to the start of your thinking. This Democracy doesn't work that way.

We seek to protect ourselves from within an umbrella of protective Law, not with guns, pepper spray, or wearing clothes that we 'shouldn't be wearing in the opinion of men' because it invites them to attack us and sexually assault us.

Arms yourself to the teeth and pretend it helps - which it doesn't - and we will go the way of Protective Law.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

We deserve to be and want to be 'passive' about our protections against some men not behaving in the way that they do and that the people we pay to protect us do it properly and compassionately.

You always assume gun. Mace and pepper spray.If Sarah had some the outcome might be different.

You realise she was allegedly killed by a policeman?

She would probably not have known that, because the accused was not in uniform at the time.

We dont know the circumstances

He may have told her he was a policeman to feel safe?

What I am trying to say is the that using mace or whatever is not the solution to every problem

You are not worried about a law when you are taking your last breath from a evil individual now are you ? You are fighting to stay alive. He did not care about murder laws.

Completely missing my point.

Doesn't seem to matter just how many times this is said to you . . .

"Mace and Pepper Spray is illegal in the UK."

No it doesn't the law should be changed.

Do women get attacked in the states?

Of course they do are all women armed of course they are not. We have those options if we want to pursue them. It's a choice not mandatory.

So it doesnt really stop it then?

And it is not going to now is it? Criminals will be criminals.

But once again you are missing the point.

It's not just about violent attacks...its about a whole range of behaviours.

Once again I agree. But like I said so what is the solution. Leave self defense out. How does a society change that behavior knowing there will be always criminal elements.

Education "
can you educate someone evil lol how’s that work then

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Arms yourself to the teeth and pretend it helps - which it doesn't - and we will go the way of Protective Law."

Believe what you want I am all for the perfect society. My protection saved me twice already. We are 2 different cultures. Just trying to get the general idea and the solution. They want to ban guns here but who is going to have them . The criminal element. Different societies I am just trying to wrap my head around the thought process. I do not have the type of empathy twords certain criminal behavior UK women have. I was raised to protect yourself at all costs.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke. HOT WIVES Sat 01

Or maybe you could be one of those Americans who won't have a gun and actively seek change in the Law, so you don't need one.

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"'No Way To Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens"

The Onion headline after every mass shooting.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Or maybe you could be one of those Americans who won't have a gun and actively seek change in the Law, so you don't need one.

I will keep my current options until those changes are made and have the desired effect.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"Misogyny.... a feeling of hate towards women. Very badly used word bandied about to describe all sorts of sexism. There are issues to be sorted out in society but i don't know how easy it would be to establish 'hatred' in a court of law"

my thoughts exactly! I had a female friend who was always banging on about men being potential rapists/etc etc anyway she had a little boy and came into work one day really pissed off because at playgroup he had lifted a girls skirt and been banned for a week. She was mad as hell about how he was just curious and all kids....

people want to be very careful where they take this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Make it a law it be a great social experiment for the rest of the world.

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

people want to be very careful where they take this

Thats where they went wrong in my opinion instead of sending him home it should have been explained to him that this is wrong and the parent informed to maybe back up with kindness the reasons why it wes wrong.

boys and girls are curious at that age and are learning how to behave

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

What I'm not happy about is the more knee jerk populist attitude to applying new laws.

One example being the new law on vandalism to a statue, max prison sentence of 10 years

Minium prison sentence for r@pe is 5 years.

In theory, you could get more than a r@pist if you lob off the head of Maggie thatchers statue like what happened a few years ago.

I would say carefully consider laws and education.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"What I'm not happy about is the more knee jerk populist attitude to applying new laws.

One example being the new law on vandalism to a statue, max prison sentence of 10 years

Minium prison sentence for r@pe is 5 years.

In theory, you could get more than a r@pist if you lob off the head of Maggie thatchers statue like what happened a few years ago.

I would say carefully consider laws and education.

Custodial sentences are passed down by Judges using sentencing guidelines.

Comparing minimum against maximum is pretty pointless.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

As others have said, new laws are fine and all, but actually reversing the austerity cuts to the police and court system would be better.

It takes forever to prosecute these cases.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

the whole idea of a law wanting to control how you think about an issue is wrong, isnt that why its no longer against the law to be gay?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"the whole idea of a law wanting to control how you think about an issue is wrong, isnt that why its no longer against the law to be gay?

Exactly. I hope some careful thought is ueed when considering new laws

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"What I'm not happy about is the more knee jerk populist attitude to applying new laws.

One example being the new law on vandalism to a statue, max prison sentence of 10 years

Minium prison sentence for r@pe is 5 years.

In theory, you could get more than a r@pist if you lob off the head of Maggie thatchers statue like what happened a few years ago.

I would say carefully consider laws and education.

Custodial sentences are passed down by Judges using sentencing guidelines.

Comparing minimum against maximum is pretty pointless. "

Not when it could happen

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"What I'm not happy about is the more knee jerk populist attitude to applying new laws.

One example being the new law on vandalism to a statue, max prison sentence of 10 years

Minium prison sentence for r@pe is 5 years.

In theory, you could get more than a r@pist if you lob off the head of Maggie thatchers statue like what happened a few years ago.

I would say carefully consider laws and education.

Custodial sentences are passed down by Judges using sentencing guidelines.

Comparing minimum against maximum is pretty pointless.

Not when it could happen "

The maximum sentence for R*pe is life imprisonment.

Its upto the judiciary to decide the tariff, case by case.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

We are all human and men and women are often ruled by there sexual urges and you cannot educate against what is natural to you.

If a man or woman cannot control themselves they should be locked up but you cannot educate against who and what we are.

Examples Gay people,lesbians,tranvestites etc.

Sadly we are all human and nothing will change that well maybe a lobotomy

Ok hard and nasty but most of you hate the truth I know.We are not civlised we are generations from being so.

Yes teach people to be good and have high moral compass and right from wrong but it will not make the problem go away

Apologist, men cause these problems. End of story. It is never a womans fault that she is murdered.

Or abused.

I find this is quite odd. And call em whatever you like but it's also never a mans fault or a transgenders fault that they are murdered or abused.

That's not me saying that some men aren't misogynistic but blanket statements will never help.

Given that the vast majority of murders and assaults are carried out by men, it is fair for those that get murdered and assaulted to ask for some degree of protection.

Pretending that men are in any equivalence here is pathetic.

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

yes, strong powerful independent women... equal to men in every way..

as a relatively small person ive had to man up lol to deal with guys twice my size and yes, ive had women try and physically intimidate me to... yes men commit more crime full stop, they also commit suicide more and are more likely to be the victim of violence! Seems to me there are victims and perpetrators NOT men vs women or gay vs straight or black vs white or.... how are liberals even thinking of taking that view point?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"What I'm not happy about is the more knee jerk populist attitude to applying new laws.

One example being the new law on vandalism to a statue, max prison sentence of 10 years

Minium prison sentence for r@pe is 5 years.

In theory, you could get more than a r@pist if you lob off the head of Maggie thatchers statue like what happened a few years ago.

I would say carefully consider laws and education.

Custodial sentences are passed down by Judges using sentencing guidelines.

Comparing minimum against maximum is pretty pointless.

Not when it could happen

The maximum sentence for R*pe is life imprisonment.

Its upto the judiciary to decide the tariff, case by case. "

Yes but based on min-max sentencing. I think it's crazy to have a maximum sentence set more than the minimum sentence for something much more serious

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

We are all human and men and women are often ruled by there sexual urges and you cannot educate against what is natural to you.

If a man or woman cannot control themselves they should be locked up but you cannot educate against who and what we are.

Examples Gay people,lesbians,tranvestites etc.

Sadly we are all human and nothing will change that well maybe a lobotomy

Ok hard and nasty but most of you hate the truth I know.We are not civlised we are generations from being so.

Yes teach people to be good and have high moral compass and right from wrong but it will not make the problem go away

Apologist, men cause these problems. End of story. It is never a womans fault that she is murdered.

Or abused.

I find this is quite odd. And call em whatever you like but it's also never a mans fault or a transgenders fault that they are murdered or abused.

That's not me saying that some men aren't misogynistic but blanket statements will never help.

Given that the vast majority of murders and assaults are carried out by men, it is fair for those that get murdered and assaulted to ask for some degree of protection.

Pretending that men are in any equivalence here is pathetic.

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

yes, strong powerful independent women... equal to men in every way..

Popularism is my guess. I think existing laws would cover it, just needs enforcement

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

We are all human and men and women are often ruled by there sexual urges and you cannot educate against what is natural to you.

If a man or woman cannot control themselves they should be locked up but you cannot educate against who and what we are.

Examples Gay people,lesbians,tranvestites etc.

Sadly we are all human and nothing will change that well maybe a lobotomy

Ok hard and nasty but most of you hate the truth I know.We are not civlised we are generations from being so.

Yes teach people to be good and have high moral compass and right from wrong but it will not make the problem go away

Apologist, men cause these problems. End of story. It is never a womans fault that she is murdered.

Or abused.

I find this is quite odd. And call em whatever you like but it's also never a mans fault or a transgenders fault that they are murdered or abused.

That's not me saying that some men aren't misogynistic but blanket statements will never help.

Given that the vast majority of murders and assaults are carried out by men, it is fair for those that get murdered and assaulted to ask for some degree of protection.

Pretending that men are in any equivalence here is pathetic.

But yet UK women are afraid to take the matter into thier own hands to provide self defense. Ironic. If you think men are going to change.

yes, strong powerful independent women... equal to men in every way..

Btw.. Good for you standing up to people luke that!

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

Statistics - sexual violence

Key statistics about r*pe and sexual violence in England and Wales.

In the year to the end of March 2017, the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimated:

20% of women and 4% of men have experienced some type of sexual assault since the age of 16, equivalent to 3.4 million female and 631,000 male victims

3.1% of women (510,000) and 0.8% of men (138,000) aged 16 to 59 had experienced a sexual assault in the last year.

In January 2013, An Overview of Sexual Offending in England and Wales, the first ever joint official statistics bulletin on sexual violence released by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ), Office for National Statistics (ONS) and Home Office, revealed:

Approximately 85,000 women and 12,000 men (aged 16 - 59) experience r*pe, attempted r*pe or sexual assault by penetration in England and Wales alone every year; that's roughly 11 of the most serious sexual offences (of adults alone) every hour.

Only around 15% of those who experience sexual violence report to the police

Approximately 90% of those who are r*ped know the perpetrator prior to the offence

I have put this in to remind some people on here that Women suffer a lot more than men through r*pe and sexual assault. Attempting to present an equivalence oreven to suggest that because men kill more men than women it isn’t an issue is just ludicrous.

Sarah Everard was sadly one of far too many women who have been let down by men.

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

Arms yourself to the teeth and pretend it helps - which it doesn't - and we will go the way of Protective Law.

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

"Statistics - sexual violence

Key statistics about r*pe and sexual violence in England and Wales.

In the year to the end of March 2017, the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimated:

20% of women and 4% of men have experienced some type of sexual assault since the age of 16, equivalent to 3.4 million female and 631,000 male victims

3.1% of women (510,000) and 0.8% of men (138,000) aged 16 to 59 had experienced a sexual assault in the last year.

Only around 15% of those who experience sexual violence report to the police

Approximately 90% of those who are r*ped know the perpetrator prior to the offence

Sarah Everard was sadly one of far too many women who have been let down by men.

"
Yes women need better protection but is violence monopolised by men.? There are studies that women perpetrate domestic abuse at almost the same level as men but men being stoic and masculine tend not to report. Men predominantly use there fists women use weapons or implements. I myself have been the victim of three violent attacks by women and have never laid a hand on a woman. I am not unusual amongst my peers and friends who have shared experiences. Women kill children in the family at greater numbers than men . Demonising a whole gender because of the actions of a very few is folly. Should we condemn women because of Ruth Ellis, myra Hindley, Rose West, Maggie thatcher. This very upsetting incident is being used as a stick to beat men with . A nasty and orchestrated campaign to undermine men and there roles in society , ironically to the detriment of women. There are so many myths and misconceptions regarding the gender roles and dynamics. Men protect women . Its an anthropological prerequisite for survival. We do the dirty dangerous jobs and die in much greater numbers in the work place. We account for 78 per cent of suicides. We are much more likely to suffer a violent attack. Women do two thirds less jail time for the same offences. Women have far more favourable outcomes in divorce settlements and alimony arrangements. Women have equality despite the mythology surrounding alleged gender pay gaps and yet still demand traditionalism when it suits them. I.e. the guy opening doors changing your tyre , paying the bill , swimming while you get in the lifeboat. Going to war and dying to protect you. I don't make these points to diminish women or to undermine women at all , only to point out that patriarchy and masculinity are generally good and neccesary and not toxic. Men now are rejecting marriage and relationships..why? We have catapulted ourselves out of the dark ages because of a cooperation between the genders and an appreciation of each other.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"Statistics - sexual violence

Key statistics about r*pe and sexual violence in England and Wales.

In the year to the end of March 2017, the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimated:

20% of women and 4% of men have experienced some type of sexual assault since the age of 16, equivalent to 3.4 million female and 631,000 male victims

3.1% of women (510,000) and 0.8% of men (138,000) aged 16 to 59 had experienced a sexual assault in the last year.

Only around 15% of those who experience sexual violence report to the police

Approximately 90% of those who are r*ped know the perpetrator prior to the offence

Sarah Everard was sadly one of far too many women who have been let down by men.

Yes women need better protection but is violence monopolised by men.? There are studies that women perpetrate domestic abuse at almost the same level as men but men being stoic and masculine tend not to report. Men predominantly use there fists women use weapons or implements. I myself have been the victim of three violent attacks by women and have never laid a hand on a woman. I am not unusual amongst my peers and friends who have shared experiences. Women kill children in the family at greater numbers than men . Demonising a whole gender because of the actions of a very few is folly. Should we condemn women because of Ruth Ellis, myra Hindley, Rose West, Maggie thatcher. This very upsetting incident is being used as a stick to beat men with . A nasty and orchestrated campaign to undermine men and there roles in society , ironically to the detriment of women. There are so many myths and misconceptions regarding the gender roles and dynamics. Men protect women . Its an anthropological prerequisite for survival. We do the dirty dangerous jobs and die in much greater numbers in the work place. We account for 78 per cent of suicides. We are much more likely to suffer a violent attack. Women do two thirds less jail time for the same offences. Women have far more favourable outcomes in divorce settlements and alimony arrangements. Women have equality despite the mythology surrounding alleged gender pay gaps and yet still demand traditionalism when it suits them. I.e. the guy opening doors changing your tyre , paying the bill , swimming while you get in the lifeboat. Going to war and dying to protect you. I don't make these points to diminish women or to undermine women at all , only to point out that patriarchy and masculinity are generally good and neccesary and not toxic. Men now are rejecting marriage and relationships..why? We have catapulted ourselves out of the dark ages because of a cooperation between the genders and an appreciation of each other. "

Interesting views. So the fact that 20% of women have been sexually assaulted is the act of a few? I think you need to take a step back and do some research. Hint - it isn’t women that are doing the sexual assaults...

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

"Statistics - sexual violence

Key statistics about r*pe and sexual violence in England and Wales.

In the year to the end of March 2017, the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimated:

20% of women and 4% of men have experienced some type of sexual assault since the age of 16, equivalent to 3.4 million female and 631,000 male victims

3.1% of women (510,000) and 0.8% of men (138,000) aged 16 to 59 had experienced a sexual assault in the last year.

Only around 15% of those who experience sexual violence report to the police

Approximately 90% of those who are r*ped know the perpetrator prior to the offence

Sarah Everard was sadly one of far too many women who have been let down by men.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

men are much more likely to die from violent crime by the perpetrators of crime, 70plus% so ALL victims of crime need protecting more! just because you are the same sex as the perpetrator of crime doesnt mean you should get less protection lol

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"Statistics - sexual violence

Key statistics about r*pe and sexual violence in England and Wales.

In the year to the end of March 2017, the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimated:

20% of women and 4% of men have experienced some type of sexual assault since the age of 16, equivalent to 3.4 million female and 631,000 male victims

3.1% of women (510,000) and 0.8% of men (138,000) aged 16 to 59 had experienced a sexual assault in the last year.

Only around 15% of those who experience sexual violence report to the police

Approximately 90% of those who are r*ped know the perpetrator prior to the offence

Sarah Everard was sadly one of far too many women who have been let down by men.

Well if these numbers are correct then each one of them are attacking a lot of women! Methinks a lot of men are excluded from these numbers...

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

"I think it has to be framed into Law somehow. The level of Misogyny just on this Politics forum is appalling at times.

Comments like 'time of the month is it' are Neanderthal at least and dangerous at best. It's teaches a language of behaviour that should have been extinct a century ago.

It should be taught at primary school too.

How to frame a law around it is perhaps a lot more difficult however."
I totally agree with your comments re arming women with mace and pepper spray. It opens a can of worms. However lets call out mysandry as well as mysogyny. Have you ever looked at some of the profiles women post on this site?

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

I think it is time men accepted that it is more dangerous being a woman in this country than a man. It is by no means all men, but it is way more than 2% (see above). Lets try to get all murders and violence reduced, but remember most of it happens to women.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

It is great to see that the Govt have been forced by the House of Lords to have the Police record Misogyny as a Hate Crime.

“Misogyny is set to be recorded by police as a “hate crime” after the government bowed to pressure in the House of Lords to toughen the law on protecting women.”

Hopefully it will reduce its incidence and increase both reporting and prosecution

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

"I think it is time men accepted that it is more dangerous being a woman in this country than a man. It is by no means all men, but it is way more than 2% (see above). Lets try to get all murders and violence reduced, but remember most of it happens to women."
No it isn't.. far more men are murdered than women. Men account for far more workplace deaths than women . Ilts far more dangerous to be a man ..fact.

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

"I think it is time men accepted that it is more dangerous being a woman in this country than a man. It is by no means all men, but it is way more than 2% (see above). Lets try to get all murders and violence reduced, but remember most of it happens to women."
Everyone is entitled to there own opinion..no one is entitled to there own facts.

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

"It is great to see that the Govt have been forced by the House of Lords to have the Police record Misogyny as a Hate Crime.

“Misogyny is set to be recorded by police as a “hate crime” after the government bowed to pressure in the House of Lords to toughen the law on protecting women.”

Hopefully it will reduce its incidence and increase both reporting and prosecution

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I agree mysogyny should be a hate crime but what about mysandry?

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"It is great to see that the Govt have been forced by the House of Lords to have the Police record Misogyny as a Hate Crime.

“Misogyny is set to be recorded by police as a “hate crime” after the government bowed to pressure in the House of Lords to toughen the law on protecting women.”

Hopefully it will reduce its incidence and increase both reporting and prosecution

I agree mysogyny should be a hate crime but what about mysandry?"

Persuade the Govt that the numbers you are suggesting are as widespread as the effect on women (by the way wtf have work place deaths got to do with this!)

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

"It is great to see that the Govt have been forced by the House of Lords to have the Police record Misogyny as a Hate Crime.

“Misogyny is set to be recorded by police as a “hate crime” after the government bowed to pressure in the House of Lords to toughen the law on protecting women.”

Hopefully it will reduce its incidence and increase both reporting and prosecution

I agree mysogyny should be a hate crime but what about mysandry?

Persuade the Govt that the numbers you are suggesting are as widespread as the effect on women (by the way wtf have work place deaths got to do with this!)"
You said its more dangerous being a woman . Your wrong and I stated why . One of the reasons being men dying in far greater numbers at work. Im trying to be monosyllabic so as you understand.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

Double amount of men killed, more commit suicide and men are in less danger than women? Strange graph!

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"It is great to see that the Govt have been forced by the House of Lords to have the Police record Misogyny as a Hate Crime.

“Misogyny is set to be recorded by police as a “hate crime” after the government bowed to pressure in the House of Lords to toughen the law on protecting women.”

Hopefully it will reduce its incidence and increase both reporting and prosecution

I agree mysogyny should be a hate crime but what about mysandry?

Persuade the Govt that the numbers you are suggesting are as widespread as the effect on women (by the way wtf have work place deaths got to do with this!) You said its more dangerous being a woman . Your wrong and I stated why . One of the reasons being men dying in far greater numbers at work. Im trying to be monosyllabic so as you understand. "

You’re so kind. Fortunately everyone else seems to agree that women are attacked way more often than men. As most of the attacks on men are also by men, perhaps you could start a movement to protest against man on man assaults. Probably more constructive than complaining that women don’t really suffer.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"Double amount of men killed, more commit suicide and men are in less danger than women? Strange graph!

What is it that you dislike about women?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

Oh yes if a man kills another man that's not a crime! Lol His family isn't effected? It just don't count?

I'll say it again there are perpetrators and victims, not men vs women, and where do trans fit into the equation?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"Double amount of men killed, more commit suicide and men are in less danger than women? Strange graph!

What is it that you dislike about women?"

I like men and women, and the truth, its you with the warped view of truth, but I know from past posts trying to actually discuss anything with you is pointless so I won't. You're already accusing me of disliking women,sort of prove the point why there shouldn't be a law for women like you to misuse

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"Double amount of men killed, more commit suicide and men are in less danger than women? Strange graph!

What is it that you dislike about women?

In a pst about misogyny, all you want to do is deny it. It seems odd at the very least

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

Post!

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

"It is great to see that the Govt have been forced by the House of Lords to have the Police record Misogyny as a Hate Crime.

“Misogyny is set to be recorded by police as a “hate crime” after the government bowed to pressure in the House of Lords to toughen the law on protecting women.”

Hopefully it will reduce its incidence and increase both reporting and prosecution

I agree mysogyny should be a hate crime but what about mysandry?

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

"Post!"
This is a bit like discussing theology with a creationist or cosmology with a flat earther..utterly pointless having a dialogue with someone so blinkered

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Post!This is a bit like discussing theology with a creationist or cosmology with a flat earther..utterly pointless having a dialogue with someone so blinkered"

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"Post!This is a bit like discussing theology with a creationist or cosmology with a flat earther..utterly pointless having a dialogue with someone so blinkered

50% of population is physically weaker than other 50%, has to be!

but large man who is disabled cant beat smaller but fit female? Small man vs female shot putt champion? armed vs unarmed....

Yet you seem to want to make a clear line, men strong vs women weak? and legislate on that basis, purely on sex, and that would be discriminatory in anyway? really?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"Post!This is a bit like discussing theology with a creationist or cosmology with a flat earther..utterly pointless having a dialogue with someone so blinkered

50% of population is physically weaker than other 50%, has to be!

but large man who is disabled cant beat smaller but fit female? Small man vs female shot putt champion? armed vs unarmed....

Yet you seem to want to make a clear line, men strong vs women weak? and legislate on that basis, purely on sex, and that would be discriminatory in anyway? really?

opps, should say would not be, typo!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Post!This is a bit like discussing theology with a creationist or cosmology with a flat earther..utterly pointless having a dialogue with someone so blinkered

50% of population is physically weaker than other 50%, has to be!

but large man who is disabled cant beat smaller but fit female? Small man vs female shot putt champion? armed vs unarmed....

Yet you seem to want to make a clear line, men strong vs women weak? and legislate on that basis, purely on sex, and that would be discriminatory in anyway? really?

opps, should say would not be, typo!"

And yet you can clearly kick my ass. So where is the defense options on my part?

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

"Post!This is a bit like discussing theology with a creationist or cosmology with a flat earther..utterly pointless having a dialogue with someone so blinkered

And yet you stated women shouldn't have the right to defend themselves. Because it opens a whole other option. We are by natural selection physically inferior to the majority of men. So what is your theoretical solution? "
Where did I state women shouldn't have the right to defend themselves? I stated my opposition to arming women with mace and pepper spray. That would escalate things and next thing you know we would all carry guns and there would ensue carnage as has happened in the u.s.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"Post!This is a bit like discussing theology with a creationist or cosmology with a flat earther..utterly pointless having a dialogue with someone so blinkered"

Quite the opposite. All the facts support what I am saying, if anything it is you who is the flat earther.

As misogyny is now going to be recorded as a hate crime, which one of us is wrong?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"Post!This is a bit like discussing theology with a creationist or cosmology with a flat earther..utterly pointless having a dialogue with someone so blinkered

50% of population is physically weaker than other 50%, has to be!

but large man who is disabled cant beat smaller but fit female? Small man vs female shot putt champion? armed vs unarmed....

Yet you seem to want to make a clear line, men strong vs women weak? and legislate on that basis, purely on sex, and that would be discriminatory in anyway? really?

opps, should say would not be, typo!

And yet you can clearly kick my ass. So where is the defense options on my part?"

There are laws and a police force, it is there for everyone! But you could certainly out run me when I'm in my heels lol how can I defend myself from you when I'm in heels and a bardot dress? And your in jeans and doc martens?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Post!This is a bit like discussing theology with a creationist or cosmology with a flat earther..utterly pointless having a dialogue with someone so blinkered

50% of population is physically weaker than other 50%, has to be!

but large man who is disabled cant beat smaller but fit female? Small man vs female shot putt champion? armed vs unarmed....

Yet you seem to want to make a clear line, men strong vs women weak? and legislate on that basis, purely on sex, and that would be discriminatory in anyway? really?

opps, should say would not be, typo!

And yet you can clearly kick my ass. So where is the defense options on my part?

Lol love ya. That image made my morning.

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

"Post!This is a bit like discussing theology with a creationist or cosmology with a flat earther..utterly pointless having a dialogue with someone so blinkered

Quite the opposite. All the facts support what I am saying, if anything it is you who is the flat earther.

As misogyny is now going to be recorded as a hate crime, which one of us is wrong?

You just don’t seem to accept the fact that men are the agressors, women are the agressed. I gave you the stats to support this and you ignore them. Fine, you stick with your opinion, I will stick with the facts."
Agressed isn't a word . Show me a stat that says its more dangerous to be a woman than a man. You are wrong . Men get attacked and murdered at a greater rate than women . Yes men r..e women at a greater rate than the other way around and are more likely to be the victims of harassment and domestic abuse however the disparity is not as the media society and feminists would have you believe. Please read my original post. Confront me on something that you consider wrong.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"Post!This is a bit like discussing theology with a creationist or cosmology with a flat earther..utterly pointless having a dialogue with someone so blinkered

Quite the opposite. All the facts support what I am saying, if anything it is you who is the flat earther.

As misogyny is now going to be recorded as a hate crime, which one of us is wrong?

Whats the problems that keep surfacing, surrounding some women and some of the trans community?

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"Post!This is a bit like discussing theology with a creationist or cosmology with a flat earther..utterly pointless having a dialogue with someone so blinkered

Quite the opposite. All the facts support what I am saying, if anything it is you who is the flat earther.

As misogyny is now going to be recorded as a hate crime, which one of us is wrong?

You just don’t seem to accept the fact that men are the agressors, women are the agressed. I gave you the stats to support this and you ignore them. Fine, you stick with your opinion, I will stick with the facts.Agressed isn't a word . Show me a stat that says its more dangerous to be a woman than a man. You are wrong . Men get attacked and murdered at a greater rate than women . Yes men r..e women at a greater rate than the other way around and are more likely to be the victims of harassment and domestic abuse however the disparity is not as the media society and feminists would have you believe. Please read my original post. Confront me on something that you consider wrong."

From UN Women:

“Globally, 35 per cent of women have ever experienced physical and/or sexual intimate partner violence, or sexual violence by a non-partner. This figure does not include sexual harassment. Some national studies show that the number can be as high as 70 per cent of women, and that rates of depression, having an abortion, and acquiring HIV are higher in women who have experienced this type of violence compared to women who have not.”

From my post earlier, 20% of UK women say they have been sexually assaulted vs 4% of men. Given the population is roughly equal between women and men, it is at least 5x more dangerous to be a woman in the UK.

But I don’t think facts actually matter to you.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

most whores are women therefore all women are likely to become whores!

most crimes are committed by men therefore all men are potential criminals!

over 2500 dog bite attacks on post men/women, muzzle all dogs now..

do i need to go on? lol over simplifying any situation is frankly over simplifying it!

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"most whores are women therefore all women are likely to become whores!

most crimes are committed by men therefore all men are potential criminals!

over 2500 dog bite attacks on post men/women, muzzle all dogs now..

do i need to go on? lol over simplifying any situation is frankly over simplifying it!

...so correct me if I’ve misunderstood. You think misogyny is not an issue?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"most whores are women therefore all women are likely to become whores!

most crimes are committed by men therefore all men are potential criminals!

over 2500 dog bite attacks on post men/women, muzzle all dogs now..

do i need to go on? lol over simplifying any situation is frankly over simplifying it!

...so correct me if I’ve misunderstood. You think misogyny is not an issue?

do i want to talk to you, is there any point? no one is dismissing crime against women BUT they shouldnt dismiss it against men either! or trans or...

of course some men are out of order in how they behave, and some women and some trans and..... these people, are criminals and should be dealt with by the courts, for the crimes they commit.

But I dont believe we should say the majority of whores are women so treat all women in a certain way, and i dont believe we should say the majority of sex offenders are men so treat all men in a certain way.... etc etc that is discrimination for starters and very likely counter productive

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"most whores are women therefore all women are likely to become whores!

most crimes are committed by men therefore all men are potential criminals!

over 2500 dog bite attacks on post men/women, muzzle all dogs now..

do i need to go on? lol over simplifying any situation is frankly over simplifying it!

...so correct me if I’ve misunderstood. You think misogyny is not an issue?

do i want to talk to you, is there any point? no one is dismissing crime against women BUT they shouldnt dismiss it against men either! or trans or...

of course some men are out of order in how they behave, and some women and some trans and..... these people, are criminals and should be dealt with by the courts, for the crimes they commit.

I still want you to Chase me tho

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"most whores are women therefore all women are likely to become whores!

most crimes are committed by men therefore all men are potential criminals!

over 2500 dog bite attacks on post men/women, muzzle all dogs now..

do i need to go on? lol over simplifying any situation is frankly over simplifying it!

...so correct me if I’ve misunderstood. You think misogyny is not an issue?

do i want to talk to you, is there any point? no one is dismissing crime against women BUT they shouldnt dismiss it against men either! or trans or...

of course some men are out of order in how they behave, and some women and some trans and..... these people, are criminals and should be dealt with by the courts, for the crimes they commit.

Oh I’m sorry, this thread is about Misogyny, not denying it... Maybe open a new one for your strange ideas.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"most whores are women therefore all women are likely to become whores!

most crimes are committed by men therefore all men are potential criminals!

over 2500 dog bite attacks on post men/women, muzzle all dogs now..

do i need to go on? lol over simplifying any situation is frankly over simplifying it!

...so correct me if I’ve misunderstood. You think misogyny is not an issue?

do i want to talk to you, is there any point? no one is dismissing crime against women BUT they shouldnt dismiss it against men either! or trans or...

of course some men are out of order in how they behave, and some women and some trans and..... these people, are criminals and should be dealt with by the courts, for the crimes they commit.

I still want you to Chase me tho

i cant darling, not in these heels! well not very fast lol unless theres a make up counter involved lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"most whores are women therefore all women are likely to become whores!

most crimes are committed by men therefore all men are potential criminals!

over 2500 dog bite attacks on post men/women, muzzle all dogs now..

do i need to go on? lol over simplifying any situation is frankly over simplifying it!

...so correct me if I’ve misunderstood. You think misogyny is not an issue?

do i want to talk to you, is there any point? no one is dismissing crime against women BUT they shouldnt dismiss it against men either! or trans or...

of course some men are out of order in how they behave, and some women and some trans and..... these people, are criminals and should be dealt with by the courts, for the crimes they commit.

I still want you to Chase me tho

i cant darling, not in these heels! well not very fast lol unless theres a make up counter involved lol

I would trip you if it's a cat von d counter

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"most whores are women therefore all women are likely to become whores!

most crimes are committed by men therefore all men are potential criminals!

over 2500 dog bite attacks on post men/women, muzzle all dogs now..

do i need to go on? lol over simplifying any situation is frankly over simplifying it!

...so correct me if I’ve misunderstood. You think misogyny is not an issue?

do i want to talk to you, is there any point? no one is dismissing crime against women BUT they shouldnt dismiss it against men either! or trans or...

of course some men are out of order in how they behave, and some women and some trans and..... these people, are criminals and should be dealt with by the courts, for the crimes they commit.

I still want you to Chase me tho

i cant darling, not in these heels! well not very fast lol unless theres a make up counter involved lol

I would trip you if it's a cat von d counter

no way, elbows out hun, uh, that will never suit your skin tone, mine mine mine! lol

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

& back to Misogyny laws - do we need them? It will be interesting to see how many people actually report it. Given that reporting r*pe has reduced as prosecutions have fallen, I do wonder.

But greater awareness that it should be called out is a good thing.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

76.8% of murder victims are male, men need more protection and im not talking condoms, as women are less likely to die, they should protect men more!

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

"Post!This is a bit like discussing theology with a creationist or cosmology with a flat earther..utterly pointless having a dialogue with someone so blinkered

Quite the opposite. All the facts support what I am saying, if anything it is you who is the flat earther.

As misogyny is now going to be recorded as a hate crime, which one of us is wrong?

You just don’t seem to accept the fact that men are the agressors, women are the agressed. I gave you the stats to support this and you ignore them. Fine, you stick with your opinion, I will stick with the facts.Agressed isn't a word . Show me a stat that says its more dangerous to be a woman than a man. You are wrong . Men get attacked and murdered at a greater rate than women . Yes men r..e women at a greater rate than the other way around and are more likely to be the victims of harassment and domestic abuse however the disparity is not as the media society and feminists would have you believe. Please read my original post. Confront me on something that you consider wrong.

From UN Women:

But I don’t think facts actually matter to you.

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Pointless ..I have stated that women suffer more sexual violence and murder from men than the other way around but for the last time men are more likely to be murdered or attacked than women, therefore its more dangerous being a man ...FACT

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Post!This is a bit like discussing theology with a creationist or cosmology with a flat earther..utterly pointless having a dialogue with someone so blinkered

Quite the opposite. All the facts support what I am saying, if anything it is you who is the flat earther.

As misogyny is now going to be recorded as a hate crime, which one of us is wrong?

You just don’t seem to accept the fact that men are the agressors, women are the agressed. I gave you the stats to support this and you ignore them. Fine, you stick with your opinion, I will stick with the facts.Agressed isn't a word . Show me a stat that says its more dangerous to be a woman than a man. You are wrong . Men get attacked and murdered at a greater rate than women . Yes men r..e women at a greater rate than the other way around and are more likely to be the victims of harassment and domestic abuse however the disparity is not as the media society and feminists would have you believe. Please read my original post. Confront me on something that you consider wrong.

From UN Women:

But I don’t think facts actually matter to you.

Pointless ..I have stated that women suffer more sexual violence and murder from men than the other way around but for the last time men are more likely to be murdered or attacked than women, therefore its more dangerous being a man ...FACT "

You realise those attackers will most likely be men?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"most whores are women therefore all women are likely to become whores!

most crimes are committed by men therefore all men are potential criminals!

over 2500 dog bite attacks on post men/women, muzzle all dogs now..

do i need to go on? lol over simplifying any situation is frankly over simplifying it!

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"Post!This is a bit like discussing theology with a creationist or cosmology with a flat earther..utterly pointless having a dialogue with someone so blinkered

Quite the opposite. All the facts support what I am saying, if anything it is you who is the flat earther.

As misogyny is now going to be recorded as a hate crime, which one of us is wrong?

You just don’t seem to accept the fact that men are the agressors, women are the agressed. I gave you the stats to support this and you ignore them. Fine, you stick with your opinion, I will stick with the facts.Agressed isn't a word . Show me a stat that says its more dangerous to be a woman than a man. You are wrong . Men get attacked and murdered at a greater rate than women . Yes men r..e women at a greater rate than the other way around and are more likely to be the victims of harassment and domestic abuse however the disparity is not as the media society and feminists would have you believe. Please read my original post. Confront me on something that you consider wrong.

From UN Women:

But I don’t think facts actually matter to you.

You realise those attackers will most likely be men?

I think the problem is they are fixated ontheir first thought and cannot cope with facts coming in to create deviation.

Men attack, assault and kill most people.

Men kill less women than men, but much more than the other way round

Men assault (both sexual and non sexual) way more women than men

But relying on these facts does not automatically help them to the obvious conclusion - men are the problem. No, interestingly men are the victims...

& on a post about misogyny

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"76.8% of murder victims are male, men need more protection and im not talking condoms, as women are less likely to die, they should protect men more!

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

Debate with no opposing view is not a debate!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Debate with no opposing view is not a debate!

Master debate then

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"Debate with no opposing view is not a debate!

Ok, what is your view? You just deny what I say. Have a look at the Monty Python sketch on arguments, this is more of a contradiction & I paid for an argument!

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

"most whores are women therefore all women are likely to become whores!

most crimes are committed by men therefore all men are potential criminals!

over 2500 dog bite attacks on post men/women, muzzle all dogs now..

do i need to go on? lol over simplifying any situation is frankly over simplifying it!

...so correct me if I’ve misunderstood. You think misogyny is not an issue?

do i want to talk to you, is there any point? no one is dismissing crime against women BUT they shouldnt dismiss it against men either! or trans or...

of course some men are out of order in how they behave, and some women and some trans and..... these people, are criminals and should be dealt with by the courts, for the crimes they commit.

thats my base line! Everytime i go on a night out some d*unken lad will approach for a dance with a t-gurl and try to grab one of us, we could live in the police station reporting young d*unken lads who grab bottoms to impress their mates lol yes its a serious subject like 78% of murder victims being men is!But you cant legislate for every aspect of life! There are laws already.

Im old enough that gentlemen used to stand when a lady wanted a seat or theyd hold the door open... certain groups of women didnt want that, they wanted to drink pints, be boxers and piss in street, like men, which is fine, but guess what, men stopped being gentlemen! There is a balance in place, careful what you wish for.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"most whores are women therefore all women are likely to become whores!

most crimes are committed by men therefore all men are potential criminals!

over 2500 dog bite attacks on post men/women, muzzle all dogs now..

do i need to go on? lol over simplifying any situation is frankly over simplifying it!

...so correct me if I’ve misunderstood. You think misogyny is not an issue?

do i want to talk to you, is there any point? no one is dismissing crime against women BUT they shouldnt dismiss it against men either! or trans or...

of course some men are out of order in how they behave, and some women and some trans and..... these people, are criminals and should be dealt with by the courts, for the crimes they commit.

Guess I am old school it was one of the attributes that I love about hubby. The putting of women on a pedestal. Gentlemanly the majority of the men my age here are videogame fanatics and 0 gentleman attitude twords women. They treat you like a man with a vagina.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"most whores are women therefore all women are likely to become whores!

most crimes are committed by men therefore all men are potential criminals!

over 2500 dog bite attacks on post men/women, muzzle all dogs now..

do i need to go on? lol over simplifying any situation is frankly over simplifying it!

...so correct me if I’ve misunderstood. You think misogyny is not an issue?

do i want to talk to you, is there any point? no one is dismissing crime against women BUT they shouldnt dismiss it against men either! or trans or...

of course some men are out of order in how they behave, and some women and some trans and..... these people, are criminals and should be dealt with by the courts, for the crimes they commit.

But going by your reasoning, why shouldn’t you stand for them? Why should they be gentlemen if you don’t want to be? You certainly aren’t looking through an equality lens