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"Got it badly wrong over the vigil in London yesterday." Agree  | |||
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"Probably but why can’t you socially distance when you are having a vigil in a wide open space. Seems like a provocation. " They were spread out. The police then employed "kettle" tactics. Plenty of tweets from the scene as it actually went on. Employment of aggressive tactics against women holding a vigil for a woman murdered by a serving police officer was simply stupid. | |||
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"Got it badly wrong over the vigil in London yesterday." What they did was enforce the law as it currently stands, which is what police forces are there to do. Is there something wrong with the law - absolutely in my opinion but I’ve maintained that stance across all protests / large scale gatherings. That media outlets and some MP’s are calling outrage at the MET’s conduct is more than somewhat hypocritical. If you voted for these laws and have advocated their necessity then you can’t choose which times are appropriate for it to be applied. | |||
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"Got it badly wrong over the vigil in London yesterday. What they did was enforce the law as it currently stands, which is what police forces are there to do. Is there something wrong with the law - absolutely in my opinion but I’ve maintained that stance across all protests / large scale gatherings. That media outlets and some MP’s are calling outrage at the MET’s conduct is more than somewhat hypocritical. If you voted for these laws and have advocated their necessity then you can’t choose which times are appropriate for it to be applied. " I don't recall voting for these laws  | |||
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"Got it badly wrong over the vigil in London yesterday. What they did was enforce the law as it currently stands, which is what police forces are there to do. Is there something wrong with the law - absolutely in my opinion but I’ve maintained that stance across all protests / large scale gatherings. That media outlets and some MP’s are calling outrage at the MET’s conduct is more than somewhat hypocritical. If you voted for these laws and have advocated their necessity then you can’t choose which times are appropriate for it to be applied. I don't recall voting for these laws "I was referring to the MP’s, not you personally. Apologies if it came across that way. Those who supported Covid Regulations governing the right to protest without asking questions should reflect on the responsibility they have too. | |||
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"Carressa Dick has been urged to quit." Because a load of civilians decided to just go ahead and do what was not allowed at this time  | |||
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"Terrible PR considering the perpetrator. A vigil in the time of a pandemic wasn’t a great idea but the Met should have just stood back. It would have been bad PR but not as bad as today’s. " Once you do that it tells everyone it’s ok to do the same. | |||
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"Got it badly wrong over the vigil in London yesterday. What they did was enforce the law as it currently stands, which is what police forces are there to do. Is there something wrong with the law - absolutely in my opinion but I’ve maintained that stance across all protests / large scale gatherings. That media outlets and some MP’s are calling outrage at the MET’s conduct is more than somewhat hypocritical. If you voted for these laws and have advocated their necessity then you can’t choose which times are appropriate for it to be applied. I don't recall voting for these laws
I was referring to the MP’s, not you personally. Apologies if it came across that way. Those who supported Covid Regulations governing the right to protest without asking questions should reflect on the responsibility they have too."Thanks for the comments. Just remember, new batch of legislation going through parliament which can restrict protests if they are "noisey" Ms Patel pushing them through. | |||
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"Got it badly wrong over the vigil in London yesterday. What they did was enforce the law as it currently stands, which is what police forces are there to do. Is there something wrong with the law - absolutely in my opinion but I’ve maintained that stance across all protests / large scale gatherings. That media outlets and some MP’s are calling outrage at the MET’s conduct is more than somewhat hypocritical. If you voted for these laws and have advocated their necessity then you can’t choose which times are appropriate for it to be applied. I don't recall voting for these laws
I was referring to the MP’s, not you personally. Apologies if it came across that way. Those who supported Covid Regulations governing the right to protest without asking questions should reflect on the responsibility they have too.
Thanks for the comments.
Just remember, new batch of legislation going through parliament which can restrict protests if they are "noisey"
Ms Patel pushing them through."Mentioned that yesterday. I've disagreed plenty of times in the past with the conspiracy theorists but this new law seems a little bit concerning. Re the protest/vigil,considering the circumstances, the met havemt covered themselves in glory. Apparently they didnt even engage with the organisers. | |||
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"Carressa Dick has been urged to quit. Because a load of civilians decided to just go ahead and do what was not allowed at this time "Is a man who is supposed to be protecting people,murdering a woman allowed at this time? | |||
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"Carressa Dick has been urged to quit. Because a load of civilians decided to just go ahead and do what was not allowed at this time
Is a man who is supposed to be protecting people,murdering a woman allowed at this time?"Absolutely not. Hence why he has been arrested and held on remand | |||
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"Carressa Dick has been urged to quit. Because a load of civilians decided to just go ahead and do what was not allowed at this time
Is a man who is supposed to be protecting people,murdering a woman allowed at this time?"Not the same thing and you know it | |||
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"Carressa Dick has been urged to quit. Because a load of civilians decided to just go ahead and do what was not allowed at this time "I had a feeling you'd be a supporter of Carressa Dick. | |||
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"Carressa Dick has been urged to quit. Because a load of civilians decided to just go ahead and do what was not allowed at this time
Is a man who is supposed to be protecting people,murdering a woman allowed at this time?
Absolutely not. Hence why he has been arrested and held on remand"So his argument is slightly flawed? A bit of dialogue could possibly have averted this,but arresting women ,protesting over the murder of a woman, by a policeman, isnt a great look. You could also make the argument, that the police were not so heavy handed,at say,the rangers celebrations last week Though different police force obvs. | |||
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"Carressa Dick has been urged to quit. Because a load of civilians decided to just go ahead and do what was not allowed at this time
I had a feeling you'd be a supporter of Carressa Dick."Not really but there is nothing to be gained by her stepping down, people broke the rules in place at the time and that’s it. | |||
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"Carressa Dick has been urged to quit. Because a load of civilians decided to just go ahead and do what was not allowed at this time
Is a man who is supposed to be protecting people,murdering a woman allowed at this time?
Absolutely not. Hence why he has been arrested and held on remand
So his argument is slightly flawed?
A bit of dialogue could possibly have averted this,but arresting women ,protesting over the murder of a woman, by a policeman, isnt a great look.
You could also make the argument, that the police were not so heavy handed,at say,the rangers celebrations last week
Though different police force obvs."I don't think the argument is flawed. She has been urged to stand down over the clashes yesterday. They shouldn't have been there and the police were doing their job. If she is being urged to quit over a murder by an officer under her command then I'd wholeheartedly support that. It's all about context. As for Glasgow police and Rangers fans last week. As you say, different force and Glasgow police handled it as the felt they should have. Had they handled it differently though, I'd still support them doing their job. | |||
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"Carressa Dick has been urged to quit. Because a load of civilians decided to just go ahead and do what was not allowed at this time
Is a man who is supposed to be protecting people,murdering a woman allowed at this time?"If protests are banned in Russia Burma & Hong Kong & the police go in heavy handed is that ok ? | |||
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"Carressa Dick has been urged to quit. Because a load of civilians decided to just go ahead and do what was not allowed at this time
I had a feeling you'd be a supporter of Carressa Dick.
Not really but there is nothing to be gained by her stepping down, people broke the rules in place at the time and that’s it.
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"Carressa Dick has been urged to quit. Because a load of civilians decided to just go ahead and do what was not allowed at this time
Is a man who is supposed to be protecting people,murdering a woman allowed at this time?
If protests are banned in Russia Burma & Hong Kong & the police go in heavy handed is that ok ? "It's always going to be heavy handed if Carressa Dick is involved. | |||
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"Carressa Dick has been urged to quit. Because a load of civilians decided to just go ahead and do what was not allowed at this time
Is a man who is supposed to be protecting people,murdering a woman allowed at this time?
If protests are banned in Russia Burma & Hong Kong & the police go in heavy handed is that ok ? "You have lost me | |||
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"Carressa Dick has been urged to quit. Because a load of civilians decided to just go ahead and do what was not allowed at this time
Is a man who is supposed to be protecting people,murdering a woman allowed at this time?
Absolutely not. Hence why he has been arrested and held on remand
So his argument is slightly flawed?
A bit of dialogue could possibly have averted this,but arresting women ,protesting over the murder of a woman, by a policeman, isnt a great look.
You could also make the argument, that the police were not so heavy handed,at say,the rangers celebrations last week
Though different police force obvs.
I don't think the argument is flawed. She has been urged to stand down over the clashes yesterday. They shouldn't have been there and the police were doing their job.
If she is being urged to quit over a murder by an officer under her command then I'd wholeheartedly support that.
It's all about context.
As for Glasgow police and Rangers fans last week. As you say, different force and Glasgow police handled it as the felt they should have. Had they handled it differently though, I'd still support them doing their job."Hasn't she already been saying the guy is guilty? | |||
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But they have always started off with a request to move along, if I chose not to do so then things get escalated to a gentle prod at which time you should just move
If you choose to start shouting back and trying to push back you get what you deserve  .
No doubt if they had just moved and gone home non of this would have happened.
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"Carressa Dick has been urged to quit. Because a load of civilians decided to just go ahead and do what was not allowed at this time
Is a man who is supposed to be protecting people,murdering a woman allowed at this time?
If protests are banned in Russia Burma & Hong Kong & the police go in heavy handed is that ok ? "Difference is when police go in heavy handed in the countries you mention it usually means firing live rounds into crowds.if the police had stood by and done nothing nxt weekend you would of had the anti lock down mob out on the streets and the same peeps complaining about the police today would be screaming for them to hit everyone with a ten grand fine.cant have one rule for one and a different rule for another.plus this gathering had nothing to do with original organisers this lot turned up of there own backs.im not a great fan of the old bill but you cant let one group gather and not others | |||
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"Carressa Dick has been urged to quit. Because a load of civilians decided to just go ahead and do what was not allowed at this time
Is a man who is supposed to be protecting people,murdering a woman allowed at this time?
Absolutely not. Hence why he has been arrested and held on remand
So his argument is slightly flawed?
A bit of dialogue could possibly have averted this,but arresting women ,protesting over the murder of a woman, by a policeman, isnt a great look.
You could also make the argument, that the police were not so heavy handed,at say,the rangers celebrations last week
Though different police force obvs.
I don't think the argument is flawed. She has been urged to stand down over the clashes yesterday. They shouldn't have been there and the police were doing their job.
If she is being urged to quit over a murder by an officer under her command then I'd wholeheartedly support that.
It's all about context.
As for Glasgow police and Rangers fans last week. As you say, different force and Glasgow police handled it as the felt they should have. Had they handled it differently though, I'd still support them doing their job.
Hasn't she already been saying the guy is guilty?"No idea. If she has then she is obviously wrong. The evidence may point towards guilt but he isn't guilty until a jury of his peers find him so. | |||
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"I have in my past had dealings wit the police
But they have always started off with a request to move along, if I chose not to do so then things get escalated to a gentle prod at which time you should just move
If you choose to start shouting back and trying to push back you get what you deserve .
No doubt if they had just moved and gone home non of this would have happened.
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"Got it badly wrong over the vigil in London yesterday. What they did was enforce the law as it currently stands, which is what police forces are there to do. Is there something wrong with the law - absolutely in my opinion but I’ve maintained that stance across all protests / large scale gatherings. That media outlets and some MP’s are calling outrage at the MET’s conduct is more than somewhat hypocritical. If you voted for these laws and have advocated their necessity then you can’t choose which times are appropriate for it to be applied. " | |||
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"Jesus christ some of those clips "Clips are just that, clips. The don't usually tell a whole story. Have you seen the one on The Mirror website? | |||
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"Jesus christ some of those clips
Clips are just that, clips. The don't usually tell a whole story.
Have you seen the one on The Mirror website?"Nope one of the one a protestor had posted I'm not sure there is much of a defence for such a heavy handed response | |||
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"Jesus christ some of those clips
Clips are just that, clips. The don't usually tell a whole story.
Have you seen the one on The Mirror website?
Nope one of the one a protestor had posted
I'm not sure there is much of a defence for such a heavy handed response "Watch the one on the Mirror and tell me they were peaceful | |||
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"I have in my past had dealings wit the police
But they have always started off with a request to move along, if I chose not to do so then things get escalated to a gentle prod at which time you should just move
If you choose to start shouting back and trying to push back you get what you deserve .
No doubt if they had just moved and gone home non of this would have happened.
I wouldn't know where to start with that
"start by protesting while staying within the law. i made my first quater of a million by prosecuting the police for their actions during a protest. suffice to say they did not learn their lesson and have been made to compensate me several times for the same thing. seems that nothing has changed several decades on. | |||
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"Jesus christ some of those clips
Clips are just that, clips. The don't usually tell a whole story.
Have you seen the one on The Mirror website?
Nope one of the one a protestor had posted
I'm not sure there is much of a defence for such a heavy handed response
Watch the one on the Mirror and tell me they were peaceful "The one where the woman is pinned down and took away? | |||
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"Got it badly wrong over the vigil in London yesterday." No they where doing there job as the courts said this virgil should not go ahead. These women are no different to teenagers going to raves etc there is no excuse | |||
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"Caressa Dick has badly handed the whole situation, been too ham fisted." Wrong she is doing her job | |||
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"I have in my past had dealings wit the police
But they have always started off with a request to move along, if I chose not to do so then things get escalated to a gentle prod at which time you should just move
If you choose to start shouting back and trying to push back you get what you deserve .
No doubt if they had just moved and gone home non of this would have happened.
I wouldn't know where to start with that
start by protesting while staying within the law.
i made my first quater of a million by prosecuting the police for their actions during a protest. suffice to say they did not learn their lesson and have been made to compensate me several times for the same thing. seems that nothing has changed several decades on."YOu should be ashamed of supporting anarchy | |||
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"I have in my past had dealings wit the police
But they have always started off with a request to move along, if I chose not to do so then things get escalated to a gentle prod at which time you should just move
If you choose to start shouting back and trying to push back you get what you deserve .
No doubt if they had just moved and gone home non of this would have happened.
I wouldn't know where to start with that
start by protesting while staying within the law.
i made my first quater of a million by prosecuting the police for their actions during a protest. suffice to say they did not learn their lesson and have been made to compensate me several times for the same thing. seems that nothing has changed several decades on."I’ll take “things that didn’t happen” for ten please Bob | |||
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"Caressa Dick has badly handed the whole situation, been too ham fisted.Wrong she is doing her job" Carressa Dick's job is to handle things to completion. We need a happy ending to all this. | |||
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"I have in my past had dealings wit the police
But they have always started off with a request to move along, if I chose not to do so then things get escalated to a gentle prod at which time you should just move
If you choose to start shouting back and trying to push back you get what you deserve .
No doubt if they had just moved and gone home non of this would have happened.
I wouldn't know where to start with that
start by protesting while staying within the law.
i made my first quater of a million by prosecuting the police for their actions during a protest. suffice to say they did not learn their lesson and have been made to compensate me several times for the same thing. seems that nothing has changed several decades on.YOu should be ashamed of supporting anarchy"
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"Jesus christ some of those clips
Clips are just that, clips. The don't usually tell a whole story.
Have you seen the one on The Mirror website?
Nope one of the one a protestor had posted
I'm not sure there is much of a defence for such a heavy handed response
Watch the one on the Mirror and tell me they were peaceful "They are not going to show the start where they were peacefully asked to move on and disperse they only show things after their t has already got out of hand. | |||
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"YOu should be ashamed of supporting anarchy" i am compensated by the courts for the affect of the actions of those who conspired to break the law and I should be ashamed? how utterly bizarre and cynical. | |||
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"Jesus christ some of those clips
Clips are just that, clips. The don't usually tell a whole story.
Have you seen the one on The Mirror website?
Nope one of the one a protestor had posted
I'm not sure there is much of a defence for such a heavy handed response
Watch the one on the Mirror and tell me they were peaceful
They are not going to show the start where they were peacefully asked to move on and disperse they only show things after their t has already got out of hand.
"The last thing we want is things getting out of hand with Caressa Dick, she needs to keep a tight grip on things. | |||
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"Jesus christ some of those clips
Clips are just that, clips. The don't usually tell a whole story.
Have you seen the one on The Mirror website?
Nope one of the one a protestor had posted
I'm not sure there is much of a defence for such a heavy handed response
Watch the one on the Mirror and tell me they were peaceful
The one where the woman is pinned down and took away?"https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sarah-everard-vigil-met-police-23712272 | |||
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"Jesus christ some of those clips
Clips are just that, clips. The don't usually tell a whole story.
Have you seen the one on The Mirror website?
Nope one of the one a protestor had posted
I'm not sure there is much of a defence for such a heavy handed response
Watch the one on the Mirror and tell me they were peaceful
The one where the woman is pinned down and took away?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sarah-everard-vigil-met-police-23712272"Am I missing something? Are you serously suggesting that isnt over the top? | |||
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"Jesus christ some of those clips
Clips are just that, clips. The don't usually tell a whole story.
Have you seen the one on The Mirror website?
Nope one of the one a protestor had posted
I'm not sure there is much of a defence for such a heavy handed response
Watch the one on the Mirror and tell me they were peaceful
They are not going to show the start where they were peacefully asked to move on and disperse they only show things after their t has already got out of hand.
The last thing we want is things getting out of hand with Caressa Dick, she needs to keep a tight grip on things."I'm not sure if that's meant to be funny or not? | |||
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"Jesus christ some of those clips
Clips are just that, clips. The don't usually tell a whole story.
Have you seen the one on The Mirror website?
Nope one of the one a protestor had posted
I'm not sure there is much of a defence for such a heavy handed response
Watch the one on the Mirror and tell me they were peaceful
The one where the woman is pinned down and took away?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sarah-everard-vigil-met-police-23712272
Am I missing something?
Are you serously suggesting that isnt over the top?"Is it over the top. As soon as that video starts, you can see protesters going into the police line. Then they start hitting Van's and smashing mirrors. The video also shows plenty of peaceful people who don't clash with the police. I think you're too far left to understand it | |||
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"Bet they wouldnt be they brave if it was 100s of millwall fans" Nah the would just call in the tsg to fuck em up.wat you saw yesterday was just your everyday copper.otherwise it would of been truncheons out sheilds up | |||
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"Got it badly wrong over the vigil in London yesterday." Absolutely they did. They couldn't have been more violent in their behaviour and attitude. It's time all men realised what Misogyny and contempt for women actually really means in the real world. It's a time to be humble and gracious. As one woman kept shouting at the Police 'what are you doing?' They should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. | |||
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"Jesus christ some of those clips
Clips are just that, clips. The don't usually tell a whole story.
Have you seen the one on The Mirror website?
Nope one of the one a protestor had posted
I'm not sure there is much of a defence for such a heavy handed response
Watch the one on the Mirror and tell me they were peaceful
The one where the woman is pinned down and took away?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sarah-everard-vigil-met-police-23712272
Am I missing something?
Are you serously suggesting that isnt over the top?
Is it over the top. As soon as that video starts, you can see protesters going into the police line. Then they start hitting Van's and smashing mirrors. The video also shows plenty of peaceful people who don't clash with the police.
I think you're too far left to understand it" | |||
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"The whole situation has been hijacked by groups looking to cause trouble, there were people there with ACAB (all cops are bastards) banners, this was an illegal gathering where many were there to just cause trouble and incite, some obviously were not there for trouble but all were gathered illegally, against the organisers wishes and against the family’s wishes. Police do not pin people and arrest them without cause, they will have been resisting, some even wanting to get that perfect propaganda shot of them pinned for the cause. What is a terrible, horrible loss of life and started needed conversations has begun to be twisted to something dangerous. " | |||
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"The whole situation has been hijacked by groups looking to cause trouble, there were people there with ACAB (all cops are bastards) banners, this was an illegal gathering where many were there to just cause trouble and incite, some obviously were not there for trouble but all were gathered illegally, against the organisers wishes and against the family’s wishes. Police do not pin people and arrest them without cause, they will have been resisting, some even wanting to get that perfect propaganda shot of them pinned for the cause. What is a terrible, horrible loss of life and started needed conversations has begun to be twisted to something dangerous. " Where you there? | |||
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"The whole situation has been hijacked by groups looking to cause trouble, there were people there with ACAB (all cops are bastards) banners, this was an illegal gathering where many were there to just cause trouble and incite, some obviously were not there for trouble but all were gathered illegally, against the organisers wishes and against the family’s wishes. Police do not pin people and arrest them without cause, they will have been resisting, some even wanting to get that perfect propaganda shot of them pinned for the cause. What is a terrible, horrible loss of life and started needed conversations has begun to be twisted to something dangerous. Where you there?" Where you lionel? Or you just going by what u have seen on twatter | |||
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"Got it badly wrong over the vigil in London yesterday. Absolutely they did. They couldn't have been more violent in their behaviour and attitude. It's time all men realised what Misogyny and contempt for women actually really means in the real world. It's a time to be humble and gracious. As one woman kept shouting at the Police 'what are you doing?' They should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves." Agreed. How you can watch that yesterday, especially in light of the context behind it,and see nothing wrong with the tactics used,is quite frankly staggering. And it's not like the 1st time they have been accused of bring a tad over zealous. | |||
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"The whole situation has been hijacked by groups looking to cause trouble, there were people there with ACAB (all cops are bastards) banners, this was an illegal gathering where many were there to just cause trouble and incite, some obviously were not there for trouble but all were gathered illegally, against the organisers wishes and against the family’s wishes. Police do not pin people and arrest them without cause, they will have been resisting, some even wanting to get that perfect propaganda shot of them pinned for the cause. What is a terrible, horrible loss of life and started needed conversations has begun to be twisted to something dangerous. Where you there?" Irrelevant, you can see it all in the video I was no more there than those saying the police were being over the top, I can however apply my own experience with situations like this from other events alongside the videos that are being shared the same as others. I personally have been a lot closer to many more events than a lot of people here I can tell you that. | |||
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"The whole situation has been hijacked by groups looking to cause trouble, there were people there with ACAB (all cops are bastards) banners, this was an illegal gathering where many were there to just cause trouble and incite, some obviously were not there for trouble but all were gathered illegally, against the organisers wishes and against the family’s wishes. Police do not pin people and arrest them without cause, they will have been resisting, some even wanting to get that perfect propaganda shot of them pinned for the cause. What is a terrible, horrible loss of life and started needed conversations has begun to be twisted to something dangerous. Where you there? Where you lionel? Or you just going by what u have seen on twatter" He said there were people there was banners there etc.I'm simply asking was he there. I've stated several times I'm going off the clips that have appeared. | |||
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"The whole situation has been hijacked by groups looking to cause trouble, there were people there with ACAB (all cops are bastards) banners, this was an illegal gathering where many were there to just cause trouble and incite, some obviously were not there for trouble but all were gathered illegally, against the organisers wishes and against the family’s wishes. Police do not pin people and arrest them without cause, they will have been resisting, some even wanting to get that perfect propaganda shot of them pinned for the cause. What is a terrible, horrible loss of life and started needed conversations has begun to be twisted to something dangerous. Where you there? Irrelevant, you can see it all in the video I was no more there than those saying the police were being over the top, I can however apply my own experience with situations like this from other events alongside the videos that are being shared the same as others. I personally have been a lot closer to many more events than a lot of people here I can tell you that. " So you were not there but you can still make sweeping statements like ..people we there just to cause trouble. Sound. | |||
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"The whole situation has been hijacked by groups looking to cause trouble, there were people there with ACAB (all cops are bastards) banners, this was an illegal gathering where many were there to just cause trouble and incite, some obviously were not there for trouble but all were gathered illegally, against the organisers wishes and against the family’s wishes. Police do not pin people and arrest them without cause, they will have been resisting, some even wanting to get that perfect propaganda shot of them pinned for the cause. What is a terrible, horrible loss of life and started needed conversations has begun to be twisted to something dangerous. Where you there? Where you lionel? Or you just going by what u have seen on twatter He said there were people there was banners there etc.I'm simply asking was he there. I've stated several times I'm going off the clips that have appeared. " So you have no prob with those gathering last night after they were told it was illegal and they would be arrested and the girls family also asking people not to go.hope your as understanding nxt time the anti lockdown nutters are out on the streets or nxt time a cpl of hudred gather for some other reason.or are you only outraged because its something that you agree with.like i said further up either everyone can now gather or no one can.u get asked to move you decide to ignore the request dont then start moaning when your made to move simple really. | |||
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"The whole situation has been hijacked by groups looking to cause trouble, there were people there with ACAB (all cops are bastards) banners, this was an illegal gathering where many were there to just cause trouble and incite, some obviously were not there for trouble but all were gathered illegally, against the organisers wishes and against the family’s wishes. Police do not pin people and arrest them without cause, they will have been resisting, some even wanting to get that perfect propaganda shot of them pinned for the cause. What is a terrible, horrible loss of life and started needed conversations has begun to be twisted to something dangerous. Where you there? Where you lionel? Or you just going by what u have seen on twatter He said there were people there was banners there etc.I'm simply asking was he there. I've stated several times I'm going off the clips that have appeared. So you have no prob with those gathering last night after they were told it was illegal and they would be arrested and the girls family also asking people not to go.hope your as understanding nxt time the anti lockdown nutters are out on the streets or nxt time a cpl of hudred gather for some other reason.or are you only outraged because its something that you agree with.like i said further up either everyone can now gather or no one can.u get asked to move you decide to ignore the request dont then start moaning when your made to move simple really." I think in the light of what happened. I can understand peoples anger.. the fact that the met didnt even engage with them,says it all. | |||
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"The fact that even priti Patel is asking for an explanation from the police..yet according in the know heads on here..it wasnt heavy handed.. Is rather telling." Priti patel lol according to you lionel shes a terrible human u suddenly think shes right lol | |||
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"The whole situation has been hijacked by groups looking to cause trouble, there were people there with ACAB (all cops are bastards) banners, this was an illegal gathering where many were there to just cause trouble and incite, some obviously were not there for trouble but all were gathered illegally, against the organisers wishes and against the family’s wishes. Police do not pin people and arrest them without cause, they will have been resisting, some even wanting to get that perfect propaganda shot of them pinned for the cause. What is a terrible, horrible loss of life and started needed conversations has begun to be twisted to something dangerous. Where you there? Where you lionel? Or you just going by what u have seen on twatter He said there were people there was banners there etc.I'm simply asking was he there. I've stated several times I'm going off the clips that have appeared. So you have no prob with those gathering last night after they were told it was illegal and they would be arrested and the girls family also asking people not to go.hope your as understanding nxt time the anti lockdown nutters are out on the streets or nxt time a cpl of hudred gather for some other reason.or are you only outraged because its something that you agree with.like i said further up either everyone can now gather or no one can.u get asked to move you decide to ignore the request dont then start moaning when your made to move simple really." As an aside ,go and have a little read up of the police act 2021 | |||
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"The fact that even priti Patel is asking for an explanation from the police..yet according in the know heads on here..it wasnt heavy handed.. Is rather telling. Priti patel lol according to you lionel shes a terrible human u suddenly think shes right lol" Spectacularly missing my point | |||
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"The whole situation has been hijacked by groups looking to cause trouble, there were people there with ACAB (all cops are bastards) banners, this was an illegal gathering where many were there to just cause trouble and incite, some obviously were not there for trouble but all were gathered illegally, against the organisers wishes and against the family’s wishes. Police do not pin people and arrest them without cause, they will have been resisting, some even wanting to get that perfect propaganda shot of them pinned for the cause. What is a terrible, horrible loss of life and started needed conversations has begun to be twisted to something dangerous. Where you there? Irrelevant, you can see it all in the video I was no more there than those saying the police were being over the top, I can however apply my own experience with situations like this from other events alongside the videos that are being shared the same as others. I personally have been a lot closer to many more events than a lot of people here I can tell you that. So you were not there but you can still make sweeping statements like ..people we there just to cause trouble. Sound." Are you seriously trying to say that people waving ACAB banners are not there to cause trouble with the police, your either incredibly naive or intentionally obtuse, anyone ever being at one of these situations can see that. Not everyone was there for trouble but you can be damn sure many were. But I guess it’s only ok to make sweeping statements or assumptions against the met officers because that fits the agenda better? | |||
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"The whole situation has been hijacked by groups looking to cause trouble, there were people there with ACAB (all cops are bastards) banners, this was an illegal gathering where many were there to just cause trouble and incite, some obviously were not there for trouble but all were gathered illegally, against the organisers wishes and against the family’s wishes. Police do not pin people and arrest them without cause, they will have been resisting, some even wanting to get that perfect propaganda shot of them pinned for the cause. What is a terrible, horrible loss of life and started needed conversations has begun to be twisted to something dangerous. Where you there? Irrelevant, you can see it all in the video I was no more there than those saying the police were being over the top, I can however apply my own experience with situations like this from other events alongside the videos that are being shared the same as others. I personally have been a lot closer to many more events than a lot of people here I can tell you that. So you were not there but you can still make sweeping statements like ..people we there just to cause trouble. Sound. Are you seriously trying to say that people waving ACAB banners are not there to cause trouble with the police, your either incredibly naive or intentionally obtuse, anyone ever being at one of these situations can see that. Not everyone was there for trouble but you can be damn sure many were. But I guess it’s only ok to make sweeping statements or assumptions against the met officers because that fits the agenda better? " Do you have a link for these acab bammers? | |||
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"The right to protest is still suspended so far as I’m aware. The Met did what the law tells them they should do in such circumstances. Not that I agree with the law as it stands but there you go. Don’t break the law = not getting arrested "The suffragettes would be with you there. | |||
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"The right to protest is still suspended so far as I’m aware. The Met did what the law tells them they should do in such circumstances. Not that I agree with the law as it stands but there you go. Don’t break the law = not getting arrested
The suffragettes would be with you there."Difference is there wasn’t a global pandemic during the suffragette movements activism. All I see with this round of protests is another knee jerk reaction to a thankfully incredibly rare occurrence, then complaining about the police doing their job. The same folk I’d wager who were all for the enforcing of fines and agitating for tougher punishments for lockdown breakers a month ago. The back and forth of this particular pendulum is exhausting to me. | |||
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"The right to protest is still suspended so far as I’m aware. The Met did what the law tells them they should do in such circumstances. Not that I agree with the law as it stands but there you go. Don’t break the law = not getting arrested
The suffragettes would be with you there.
Difference is there wasn’t a global pandemic during the suffragette movements activism. All I see with this round of protests is another knee jerk reaction to a thankfully incredibly rare occurrence, then complaining about the police doing their job. The same folk I’d wager who were all for the enforcing of fines and agitating for tougher punishments for lockdown breakers a month ago. The back and forth of this particular pendulum is exhausting to me. "What they were doing was still illegall The world and his wife can see it was over the top. | |||
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"These people who carry on the ACAB theme are more then pleased to see them when they are in need
Double standards "What should have happened to the person with the banner? | |||
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"The right to protest is still suspended so far as I’m aware. The Met did what the law tells them they should do in such circumstances. Not that I agree with the law as it stands but there you go. Don’t break the law = not getting arrested
The suffragettes would be with you there.
Difference is there wasn’t a global pandemic during the suffragette movements activism. All I see with this round of protests is another knee jerk reaction to a thankfully incredibly rare occurrence, then complaining about the police doing their job. The same folk I’d wager who were all for the enforcing of fines and agitating for tougher punishments for lockdown breakers a month ago. The back and forth of this particular pendulum is exhausting to me.
What they were doing was still illegall
The world and his wife can see it was over the top."Oh no - is that whataboutery I hear??? You weren’t there Lionel. Neither was I. So I can only speculate on the information the media decides to present to us. But as a former POTAC I didn’t see anything unlawful about what the Met did (from what media is available) to enforce the laws that every man and his dog has been bitching about NOT being enforced since lockdown started. | |||
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"I'll say it again . . . just "Four people were arrested for public order offences and breaching coronavirus restrictions at the vigil in Sarah Everard's memory." So what was the great threat to life that the Police foresaw? Surely to protect people there would have been a great many more arrests? " it matters not. conservative voters stick to their agenda of blindly supporting the uk authorities. unfortunately to them, womens right to a life free from assault is a radical idea that comes lower down their list of importance. | |||
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"Hopefully all the police will go sick with stress and leave the streets with no police and then the streets will be much safer lol "nasty | |||
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"These people who carry on the ACAB theme are more then pleased to see them when they are in need
Double standards
What should have happened to the person with the banner?"Fined for being there
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"We will see if they act the same way to the Protest outside the NSY this afternoon (4pm)" you appear to be inciting protest with that post. | |||
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"Hopefully all the police will go sick with stress and leave the streets with no police and then the streets will be much safer lol nasty"not really, not as nasty as vilifying officers for just doing their job but if the police are so terrible perhaps the public would like a period of time without them? | |||
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"The right to protest is still suspended so far as I’m aware. The Met did what the law tells them they should do in such circumstances. Not that I agree with the law as it stands but there you go. Don’t break the law = not getting arrested
The suffragettes would be with you there.
Difference is there wasn’t a global pandemic during the suffragette movements activism. All I see with this round of protests is another knee jerk reaction to a thankfully incredibly rare occurrence, then complaining about the police doing their job. The same folk I’d wager who were all for the enforcing of fines and agitating for tougher punishments for lockdown breakers a month ago. The back and forth of this particular pendulum is exhausting to me.
What they were doing was still illegall
The world and his wife can see it was over the top.
Oh no - is that whataboutery I hear???
You weren’t there Lionel. Neither was I. So I can only speculate on the information the media decides to present to us. But as a former POTAC I didn’t see anything unlawful about what the Met did (from what media is available) to enforce the laws that every man and his dog has been bitching about NOT being enforced since lockdown started. "I've continually said I wasnt there. I'm going from what I've read and what I've seen I'll also take into.account what I've seen in the past. My opinion is that it looked heavy handed I said it before but pinning a woman down and dragging her away,in a protest that was 'partly'about how police deal with violent crime against women,is not a great look. | |||
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"anyone who has been in a riot type situation knows things can get quickly out of hand, people involved in one situation dont have an over view like the spectators sat on a fence. Im sure the police tried jolly hard not to end up rolling around on the floor, im sure none of them woke up and decided to go and have a fight! Where i think, but dont know, that some of the protesters perhaps did. as for the reporting, ive already heard the term MAN handled, when it was actually female officers involved... seems like hysteria has broke out! and im sure the media will feed us the juicy clips and fuel it some more! "This is a good point. Look at the difference in the protests in London and York - Sarah’s home city. The ‘protestors’ in York stayed around for an hour or so then went home when asked, and maintained social distancing throughout whilst stood outside the Minster and her home town chapel in Fulford. The London protestors did not. | |||
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"These people who carry on the ACAB theme are more then pleased to see them when they are in need
Double standards
What should have happened to the person with the banner?
Fined for being there
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"anyone who has been in a riot type situation knows things can get quickly out of hand, people involved in one situation dont have an over view like the spectators sat on a fence. Im sure the police tried jolly hard not to end up rolling around on the floor, im sure none of them woke up and decided to go and have a fight! Where i think, but dont know, that some of the protesters perhaps did. as for the reporting, ive already heard the term MAN handled, when it was actually female officers involved... seems like hysteria has broke out! and im sure the media will feed us the juicy clips and fuel it some more! "Funny looking riot that. | |||
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"The right to protest is still suspended so far as I’m aware. The Met did what the law tells them they should do in such circumstances. Not that I agree with the law as it stands but there you go. Don’t break the law = not getting arrested
The suffragettes would be with you there.
Difference is there wasn’t a global pandemic during the suffragette movements activism. All I see with this round of protests is another knee jerk reaction to a thankfully incredibly rare occurrence, then complaining about the police doing their job. The same folk I’d wager who were all for the enforcing of fines and agitating for tougher punishments for lockdown breakers a month ago. The back and forth of this particular pendulum is exhausting to me.
What they were doing was still illegall
The world and his wife can see it was over the top.
Oh no - is that whataboutery I hear???
You weren’t there Lionel. Neither was I. So I can only speculate on the information the media decides to present to us. But as a former POTAC I didn’t see anything unlawful about what the Met did (from what media is available) to enforce the laws that every man and his dog has been bitching about NOT being enforced since lockdown started.
I've continually said I wasnt there.
I'm going from what I've read and what I've seen
I'll also take into.account what I've seen in the past.
My opinion is that it looked heavy handed
I said it before but pinning a woman down and dragging her away,in a protest that was 'partly'about how police deal with violent crime against women,is not a great look."And as an ‘expert’ if you like, in this particular field, I’m disagreeing with you. It might not be a great look, but public order policing isn’t about optics, it’s about maintaining order. Clues in the title Lionel. | |||
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"anyone who has been in a riot type situation knows things can get quickly out of hand, people involved in one situation dont have an over view like the spectators sat on a fence. Im sure the police tried jolly hard not to end up rolling around on the floor, im sure none of them woke up and decided to go and have a fight! Where i think, but dont know, that some of the protesters perhaps did. as for the reporting, ive already heard the term MAN handled, when it was actually female officers involved... seems like hysteria has broke out! and im sure the media will feed us the juicy clips and fuel it some more!
This is a good point. Look at the difference in the protests in London and York - Sarah’s home city. The ‘protestors’ in York stayed around for an hour or so then went home when asked, and maintained social distancing throughout whilst stood outside the Minster and her home town chapel in Fulford. The London protestors did not. "The woman wasnt murdered by a Yorkshire police officer (allegedly) | |||
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"The right to protest is still suspended so far as I’m aware. The Met did what the law tells them they should do in such circumstances. Not that I agree with the law as it stands but there you go. Don’t break the law = not getting arrested
The suffragettes would be with you there.
Difference is there wasn’t a global pandemic during the suffragette movements activism. All I see with this round of protests is another knee jerk reaction to a thankfully incredibly rare occurrence, then complaining about the police doing their job. The same folk I’d wager who were all for the enforcing of fines and agitating for tougher punishments for lockdown breakers a month ago. The back and forth of this particular pendulum is exhausting to me.
What they were doing was still illegall
The world and his wife can see it was over the top.
Oh no - is that whataboutery I hear???
You weren’t there Lionel. Neither was I. So I can only speculate on the information the media decides to present to us. But as a former POTAC I didn’t see anything unlawful about what the Met did (from what media is available) to enforce the laws that every man and his dog has been bitching about NOT being enforced since lockdown started.
I've continually said I wasnt there.
I'm going from what I've read and what I've seen
I'll also take into.account what I've seen in the past.
My opinion is that it looked heavy handed
I said it before but pinning a woman down and dragging her away,in a protest that was 'partly'about how police deal with violent crime against women,is not a great look.
And as an ‘expert’ if you like, in this particular field, I’m disagreeing with you. It might not be a great look, but public order policing isn’t about optics, it’s about maintaining order. Clues in the title Lionel. "Well the home secretary appears to disagree with you. | |||
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"Maybe the police should just stand back and let all of these protests take place and when people start smashing things up which always happens don’t clear it up or fix it and pretty soon people will start moaning about what a shithole the places have become
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"And as an ‘expert’ if you like, in this particular field, I’m disagreeing with you. It might not be a great look, but public order policing isn’t about optics, it’s about maintaining order. Clues in the title Lionel. " the naivety of that statement underlines the agenda it contains | |||
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"And as an ‘expert’ if you like, in this particular field, I’m disagreeing with you. It might not be a great look, but public order policing isn’t about optics, it’s about maintaining order. Clues in the title Lionel. the naivety of that statement underlines the agenda it contains" I’m well aware of your views on policing and of me and my partner, so your barbed comments will be disregarded like most of the other garbage you post from your position of abject ignorance. | |||
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"The right to protest is still suspended so far as I’m aware. The Met did what the law tells them they should do in such circumstances. Not that I agree with the law as it stands but there you go. Don’t break the law = not getting arrested
The suffragettes would be with you there.
Difference is there wasn’t a global pandemic during the suffragette movements activism. All I see with this round of protests is another knee jerk reaction to a thankfully incredibly rare occurrence, then complaining about the police doing their job. The same folk I’d wager who were all for the enforcing of fines and agitating for tougher punishments for lockdown breakers a month ago. The back and forth of this particular pendulum is exhausting to me.
What they were doing was still illegall
The world and his wife can see it was over the top.
Oh no - is that whataboutery I hear???
You weren’t there Lionel. Neither was I. So I can only speculate on the information the media decides to present to us. But as a former POTAC I didn’t see anything unlawful about what the Met did (from what media is available) to enforce the laws that every man and his dog has been bitching about NOT being enforced since lockdown started.
I've continually said I wasnt there.
I'm going from what I've read and what I've seen
I'll also take into.account what I've seen in the past.
My opinion is that it looked heavy handed
I said it before but pinning a woman down and dragging her away,in a protest that was 'partly'about how police deal with violent crime against women,is not a great look.
And as an ‘expert’ if you like, in this particular field, I’m disagreeing with you. It might not be a great look, but public order policing isn’t about optics, it’s about maintaining order. Clues in the title Lionel.
Well the home secretary appears to disagree with you."And the Met chief of staff, POTACs and federation disagree with the Home Secretary. She might be the s Home Secretary but that doesn’t make her an expert or even knowledgable on day to say policing | |||
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"The right to protest is still suspended so far as I’m aware. The Met did what the law tells them they should do in such circumstances. Not that I agree with the law as it stands but there you go. Don’t break the law = not getting arrested
The suffragettes would be with you there.
Difference is there wasn’t a global pandemic during the suffragette movements activism. All I see with this round of protests is another knee jerk reaction to a thankfully incredibly rare occurrence, then complaining about the police doing their job. The same folk I’d wager who were all for the enforcing of fines and agitating for tougher punishments for lockdown breakers a month ago. The back and forth of this particular pendulum is exhausting to me.
What they were doing was still illegall
The world and his wife can see it was over the top.
Oh no - is that whataboutery I hear???
You weren’t there Lionel. Neither was I. So I can only speculate on the information the media decides to present to us. But as a former POTAC I didn’t see anything unlawful about what the Met did (from what media is available) to enforce the laws that every man and his dog has been bitching about NOT being enforced since lockdown started.
I've continually said I wasnt there.
I'm going from what I've read and what I've seen
I'll also take into.account what I've seen in the past.
My opinion is that it looked heavy handed
I said it before but pinning a woman down and dragging her away,in a protest that was 'partly'about how police deal with violent crime against women,is not a great look.
And as an ‘expert’ if you like, in this particular field, I’m disagreeing with you. It might not be a great look, but public order policing isn’t about optics, it’s about maintaining order. Clues in the title Lionel.
Well the home secretary appears to disagree with you.
And the Met chief of staff, POTACs and federation disagree with the Home Secretary. She might be the s Home Secretary but that doesn’t make her an expert or even knowledgable on day to say policing "Well if history tells is anything..its that the police always own up when they do something wrong. | |||
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"And as an ‘expert’ if you like, in this particular field, I’m disagreeing with you. It might not be a great look, but public order policing isn’t about optics, it’s about maintaining order. Clues in the title Lionel. the naivety of that statement underlines the agenda it contains I’m well aware of your views on policing and of me and my partner, so your barbed comments will be disregarded like most of the other garbage you post from your position of abject ignorance. " despite your evident paranoia i have no views of you or your partner, as you are singularly and wholely unimportant to me and my life. | |||
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"Maybe the police should just stand back and let all of these protests take place and when people start smashing things up which always happens don’t clear it up or fix it and pretty soon people will start moaning about what a shithole the places have become
Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob
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"I wonder how the girls family feel today, the massive pain of losing their daughter, her memory now stained by all this. Her family requested it not to go ahead, they should have shown due respect and not gone ahead. " If the issue was just about Sarah then I would agree with you - but it wasn't, it was about all women in the UK. | |||
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"Maybe the police should just stand back and let all of these protests take place and when people start smashing things up which always happens don’t clear it up or fix it and pretty soon people will start moaning about what a shithole the places have become
Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob
What did they smash up?
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"The right to protest is still suspended so far as I’m aware. The Met did what the law tells them they should do in such circumstances. Not that I agree with the law as it stands but there you go. Don’t break the law = not getting arrested
The suffragettes would be with you there.
Difference is there wasn’t a global pandemic during the suffragette movements activism. All I see with this round of protests is another knee jerk reaction to a thankfully incredibly rare occurrence, then complaining about the police doing their job. The same folk I’d wager who were all for the enforcing of fines and agitating for tougher punishments for lockdown breakers a month ago. The back and forth of this particular pendulum is exhausting to me.
What they were doing was still illegall
The world and his wife can see it was over the top.
Oh no - is that whataboutery I hear???
You weren’t there Lionel. Neither was I. So I can only speculate on the information the media decides to present to us. But as a former POTAC I didn’t see anything unlawful about what the Met did (from what media is available) to enforce the laws that every man and his dog has been bitching about NOT being enforced since lockdown started.
I've continually said I wasnt there.
I'm going from what I've read and what I've seen
I'll also take into.account what I've seen in the past.
My opinion is that it looked heavy handed
I said it before but pinning a woman down and dragging her away,in a protest that was 'partly'about how police deal with violent crime against women,is not a great look.
And as an ‘expert’ if you like, in this particular field, I’m disagreeing with you. It might not be a great look, but public order policing isn’t about optics, it’s about maintaining order. Clues in the title Lionel.
Well the home secretary appears to disagree with you.
And the Met chief of staff, POTACs and federation disagree with the Home Secretary. She might be the s Home Secretary but that doesn’t make her an expert or even knowledgable on day to say policing
Well if history tells is anything..its that the police always own up when they do something wrong."True, there has been an element of the blue wall in the past but this is quickly disappearing these days. If it comes to it another force will independently investigate any accusations of wrong doing and present all findings transparently. Things have changed a lot. Body cams, CCTV, mobile phones....worlds a different place. As I say, from what I’ve seen there was no unlawful actions on the part of the Met. I’ll wait to be proven wrong in any subsequent investigation. | |||
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"Most ordinarily thinking people wouldn't submit to rejecting the Police or the need for the Police. We do however submit to failing to understand how it is that they do their job in a great many circumstances, particularly when it comes to crowd control. There were many other vigils around the country - all of which had little Police presence and ended quietly and respectfully. " They were not supposed to be taking place anyways, but notice it always seems to be London | |||
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"I wonder how the girls family feel today, the massive pain of losing their daughter, her memory now stained by all this. Her family requested it not to go ahead, they should have shown due respect and not gone ahead. If the issue was just about Sarah then I would agree with you - but it wasn't, it was about all women in the UK. " Perhaps so but it still remains that what happened to her was the catalyst and a vigil used as a rationale. All I'm saying is they could have shown due respect. Banners saying 'we'll teach our daughters how to kill' isn't really forwarding a good case but hey, what do I know, I'm just a woman in the UK. | |||
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"And as an ‘expert’ if you like, in this particular field, I’m disagreeing with you. It might not be a great look, but public order policing isn’t about optics, it’s about maintaining order. Clues in the title Lionel. the naivety of that statement underlines the agenda it contains I’m well aware of your views on policing and of me and my partner, so your barbed comments will be disregarded like most of the other garbage you post from your position of abject ignorance. despite your evident paranoia i have no views of you or your partner, as you are singularly and wholely unimportant to me and my life." Lol ‘paranoia’. It’s still there in black and white but keep lying, just reconfirmed the cowardice to me | |||
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"I wonder how the girls family feel today, the massive pain of losing their daughter, her memory now stained by all this. Her family requested it not to go ahead, they should have shown due respect and not gone ahead. If the issue was just about Sarah then I would agree with you - but it wasn't, it was about all women in the UK. Perhaps so but it still remains that what happened to her was the catalyst and a vigil used as a rationale. All I'm saying is they could have shown due respect. Banners saying 'we'll teach our daughters how to kill' isn't really forwarding a good case but hey, what do I know, I'm just a woman in the UK. " Yet none of those people were arrested? Just so that you know I am to a woman in the UK. | |||
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"The right to protest is still suspended so far as I’m aware. The Met did what the law tells them they should do in such circumstances. Not that I agree with the law as it stands but there you go. Don’t break the law = not getting arrested
The suffragettes would be with you there.
Difference is there wasn’t a global pandemic during the suffragette movements activism. All I see with this round of protests is another knee jerk reaction to a thankfully incredibly rare occurrence, then complaining about the police doing their job. The same folk I’d wager who were all for the enforcing of fines and agitating for tougher punishments for lockdown breakers a month ago. The back and forth of this particular pendulum is exhausting to me.
What they were doing was still illegall
The world and his wife can see it was over the top.
Oh no - is that whataboutery I hear???
You weren’t there Lionel. Neither was I. So I can only speculate on the information the media decides to present to us. But as a former POTAC I didn’t see anything unlawful about what the Met did (from what media is available) to enforce the laws that every man and his dog has been bitching about NOT being enforced since lockdown started.
I've continually said I wasnt there.
I'm going from what I've read and what I've seen
I'll also take into.account what I've seen in the past.
My opinion is that it looked heavy handed
I said it before but pinning a woman down and dragging her away,in a protest that was 'partly'about how police deal with violent crime against women,is not a great look.
And as an ‘expert’ if you like, in this particular field, I’m disagreeing with you. It might not be a great look, but public order policing isn’t about optics, it’s about maintaining order. Clues in the title Lionel.
Well the home secretary appears to disagree with you.
And the Met chief of staff, POTACs and federation disagree with the Home Secretary. She might be the s Home Secretary but that doesn’t make her an expert or even knowledgable on day to say policing
Well if history tells is anything..its that the police always own up when they do something wrong.
True, there has been an element of the blue wall in the past but this is quickly disappearing these days. If it comes to it another force will independently investigate any accusations of wrong doing and present all findings transparently. Things have changed a lot. Body cams, CCTV, mobile phones....worlds a different place. As I say, from what I’ve seen there was no unlawful actions on the part of the Met. I’ll wait to be proven wrong in any subsequent investigation. "It's going slightly off topic but there is still a culture of protecting our own there. Look how many people have died in police custody. This may be totally incorrect and I'll happily retract if so ,but I was reading somewhere that the guy arrested,was accused of doing something previously. Not murder obvs but some harassment thing? I'll have to dig it out. | |||
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"I wonder how the girls family feel today, the massive pain of losing their daughter, her memory now stained by all this. Her family requested it not to go ahead, they should have shown due respect and not gone ahead. If the issue was just about Sarah then I would agree with you - but it wasn't, it was about all women in the UK. Perhaps so but it still remains that what happened to her was the catalyst and a vigil used as a rationale. All I'm saying is they could have shown due respect. Banners saying 'we'll teach our daughters how to kill' isn't really forwarding a good case but hey, what do I know, I'm just a woman in the UK. Yet none of those people were arrested? Just so that you know I am to a woman in the UK." Not really interested in arguing a point, my view is as valid as yours. I think it was crass timing, I don't wish to be associated through gender with that kind of behaviour. Simple as that. | |||
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"I wonder how the girls family feel today, the massive pain of losing their daughter, her memory now stained by all this. Her family requested it not to go ahead, they should have shown due respect and not gone ahead. If the issue was just about Sarah then I would agree with you - but it wasn't, it was about all women in the UK. Perhaps so but it still remains that what happened to her was the catalyst and a vigil used as a rationale. All I'm saying is they could have shown due respect. Banners saying 'we'll teach our daughters how to kill' isn't really forwarding a good case but hey, what do I know, I'm just a woman in the UK. " Kill who? | |||
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"Maybe the police should just stand back and let all of these protests take place and when people start smashing things up which always happens don’t clear it up or fix it and pretty soon people will start moaning about what a shithole the places have become
Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob
What did they smash up?
Did you actually read my whole post or just the last bit ?
You said
When they start smashing stuff up..they didnt smash anything up.
I think I'll just let that men haters comment hang there."I started out by saying “maybe the police should just stand back and let these protests take place” | |||
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"The right to protest is still suspended so far as I’m aware. The Met did what the law tells them they should do in such circumstances. Not that I agree with the law as it stands but there you go. Don’t break the law = not getting arrested
The suffragettes would be with you there.
Difference is there wasn’t a global pandemic during the suffragette movements activism. All I see with this round of protests is another knee jerk reaction to a thankfully incredibly rare occurrence, then complaining about the police doing their job. The same folk I’d wager who were all for the enforcing of fines and agitating for tougher punishments for lockdown breakers a month ago. The back and forth of this particular pendulum is exhausting to me.
What they were doing was still illegall
The world and his wife can see it was over the top.
Oh no - is that whataboutery I hear???
You weren’t there Lionel. Neither was I. So I can only speculate on the information the media decides to present to us. But as a former POTAC I didn’t see anything unlawful about what the Met did (from what media is available) to enforce the laws that every man and his dog has been bitching about NOT being enforced since lockdown started.
I've continually said I wasnt there.
I'm going from what I've read and what I've seen
I'll also take into.account what I've seen in the past.
My opinion is that it looked heavy handed
I said it before but pinning a woman down and dragging her away,in a protest that was 'partly'about how police deal with violent crime against women,is not a great look.
And as an ‘expert’ if you like, in this particular field, I’m disagreeing with you. It might not be a great look, but public order policing isn’t about optics, it’s about maintaining order. Clues in the title Lionel.
Well the home secretary appears to disagree with you.
And the Met chief of staff, POTACs and federation disagree with the Home Secretary. She might be the s Home Secretary but that doesn’t make her an expert or even knowledgable on day to say policing
Well if history tells is anything..its that the police always own up when they do something wrong.
True, there has been an element of the blue wall in the past but this is quickly disappearing these days. If it comes to it another force will independently investigate any accusations of wrong doing and present all findings transparently. Things have changed a lot. Body cams, CCTV, mobile phones....worlds a different place. As I say, from what I’ve seen there was no unlawful actions on the part of the Met. I’ll wait to be proven wrong in any subsequent investigation.
It's going slightly off topic but there is still a culture of protecting our own there.
Look how many people have died in police custody.
This may be totally incorrect and I'll happily retract if so ,but I was reading somewhere that the guy arrested,was accused of doing something previously.
Not murder obvs but some harassment thing?
I'll have to dig it out.
"He was also arrested for indecent exposure. I’m not 100% on his career path but he only joined in 2018 and he was on the diplomatic protection unit already. A lot of those officers are armed for obvious reasons. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a major failing in the vetting process in the Met that allowed him to get into that position of authority. Especially if he was armed. The vetting process when wolf became a CTSFO was intense. Questions asked about his ex girlfriend from before he was married well over 10 years ago! So I’d be interested to see what’s happened there. It’s one of the key things overlooked in this case for me. This is less a man vs woman issue, but more an abuse of a position of trust. Realistically we need more details which will only come in time so we’re speculating here. Unfortunately there will always be bad apples in any organisation tho. It’s a fact of life I’m afraid. | |||
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"Maybe the police should just stand back and let all of these protests take place and when people start smashing things up which always happens don’t clear it up or fix it and pretty soon people will start moaning about what a shithole the places have become
Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob
What did they smash up?
Did you actually read my whole post or just the last bit ?
You said
When they start smashing stuff up..they didnt smash anything up.
I think I'll just let that men haters comment hang there.
I started out by saying “maybe the police should just stand back and let these protests take place”
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" Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob I wonder if you even remotely see the Misogyny is this paragraph?" Really ? I don’t see that at all because there are women who do hate men. I like women, well most of them anyway | |||
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"The right to protest is still suspended so far as I’m aware. The Met did what the law tells them they should do in such circumstances. Not that I agree with the law as it stands but there you go. Don’t break the law = not getting arrested
The suffragettes would be with you there.
Difference is there wasn’t a global pandemic during the suffragette movements activism. All I see with this round of protests is another knee jerk reaction to a thankfully incredibly rare occurrence, then complaining about the police doing their job. The same folk I’d wager who were all for the enforcing of fines and agitating for tougher punishments for lockdown breakers a month ago. The back and forth of this particular pendulum is exhausting to me.
What they were doing was still illegall
The world and his wife can see it was over the top.
Oh no - is that whataboutery I hear???
You weren’t there Lionel. Neither was I. So I can only speculate on the information the media decides to present to us. But as a former POTAC I didn’t see anything unlawful about what the Met did (from what media is available) to enforce the laws that every man and his dog has been bitching about NOT being enforced since lockdown started.
I've continually said I wasnt there.
I'm going from what I've read and what I've seen
I'll also take into.account what I've seen in the past.
My opinion is that it looked heavy handed
I said it before but pinning a woman down and dragging her away,in a protest that was 'partly'about how police deal with violent crime against women,is not a great look.
And as an ‘expert’ if you like, in this particular field, I’m disagreeing with you. It might not be a great look, but public order policing isn’t about optics, it’s about maintaining order. Clues in the title Lionel.
Well the home secretary appears to disagree with you.
And the Met chief of staff, POTACs and federation disagree with the Home Secretary. She might be the s Home Secretary but that doesn’t make her an expert or even knowledgable on day to say policing
Well if history tells is anything..its that the police always own up when they do something wrong.
True, there has been an element of the blue wall in the past but this is quickly disappearing these days. If it comes to it another force will independently investigate any accusations of wrong doing and present all findings transparently. Things have changed a lot. Body cams, CCTV, mobile phones....worlds a different place. As I say, from what I’ve seen there was no unlawful actions on the part of the Met. I’ll wait to be proven wrong in any subsequent investigation.
It's going slightly off topic but there is still a culture of protecting our own there.
Look how many people have died in police custody.
This may be totally incorrect and I'll happily retract if so ,but I was reading somewhere that the guy arrested,was accused of doing something previously.
Not murder obvs but some harassment thing?
I'll have to dig it out.
He was also arrested for indecent exposure. I’m not 100% on his career path but he only joined in 2018 and he was on the diplomatic protection unit already. A lot of those officers are armed for obvious reasons. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a major failing in the vetting process in the Met that allowed him to get into that position of authority. Especially if he was armed. The vetting process when wolf became a CTSFO was intense. Questions asked about his ex girlfriend from before he was married well over 10 years ago! So I’d be interested to see what’s happened there.
It’s one of the key things overlooked in this case for me. This is less a man vs woman issue, but more an abuse of a position of trust. Realistically we need more details which will only come in time so we’re speculating here. Unfortunately there will always be bad apples in any organisation tho. It’s a fact of life I’m afraid. "That was it..I knew I'd read something about it. Like you said if he was arrested for that, he should have got no where near a position of authority. | |||
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"Maybe the police should just stand back and let all of these protests take place and when people start smashing things up which always happens don’t clear it up or fix it and pretty soon people will start moaning about what a shithole the places have become
Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob
What did they smash up?
Did you actually read my whole post or just the last bit ?
You said
When they start smashing stuff up..they didnt smash anything up.
I think I'll just let that men haters comment hang there.
I started out by saying “maybe the police should just stand back and let these protests take place”
I'll repeat.
You said.. when people start smashing stuff up..The fact that morning was smashed up makes your point moot."I think I will just stop engaging with you as you don’t the point i am trying to make I said protests not the protest specifically | |||
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" Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob I wonder if you even remotely see the Misogyny is this paragraph? Really ? I don’t see that at all because there are women who do hate men. I like women, well most of them anyway "You said the 'usual men haters' So you are saying that you knew which those were? Or are you really just making a sweeping Misogynist statement in reality? | |||
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"To date there have been 1778 deaths in police custody or otherwise following contact with the police in England & Wales since 1990 there have no convictions" And you’re aware that death after police contact is up to 7 days after said contact? And that can be reporting a crime, being stop searched, being interviewed on a voluntary or involuntary basis, literally anything that’s recorded on police systems? I know cops investigated by PSD when someone they’d taken a crime report off died in a car crash two days later. | |||
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"The right to protest is still suspended so far as I’m aware. The Met did what the law tells them they should do in such circumstances. Not that I agree with the law as it stands but there you go. Don’t break the law = not getting arrested
The suffragettes would be with you there.
Difference is there wasn’t a global pandemic during the suffragette movements activism. All I see with this round of protests is another knee jerk reaction to a thankfully incredibly rare occurrence, then complaining about the police doing their job. The same folk I’d wager who were all for the enforcing of fines and agitating for tougher punishments for lockdown breakers a month ago. The back and forth of this particular pendulum is exhausting to me.
What they were doing was still illegall
The world and his wife can see it was over the top.
Oh no - is that whataboutery I hear???
You weren’t there Lionel. Neither was I. So I can only speculate on the information the media decides to present to us. But as a former POTAC I didn’t see anything unlawful about what the Met did (from what media is available) to enforce the laws that every man and his dog has been bitching about NOT being enforced since lockdown started.
I've continually said I wasnt there.
I'm going from what I've read and what I've seen
I'll also take into.account what I've seen in the past.
My opinion is that it looked heavy handed
I said it before but pinning a woman down and dragging her away,in a protest that was 'partly'about how police deal with violent crime against women,is not a great look.
And as an ‘expert’ if you like, in this particular field, I’m disagreeing with you. It might not be a great look, but public order policing isn’t about optics, it’s about maintaining order. Clues in the title Lionel.
Well the home secretary appears to disagree with you.
And the Met chief of staff, POTACs and federation disagree with the Home Secretary. She might be the s Home Secretary but that doesn’t make her an expert or even knowledgable on day to say policing
Well if history tells is anything..its that the police always own up when they do something wrong.
True, there has been an element of the blue wall in the past but this is quickly disappearing these days. If it comes to it another force will independently investigate any accusations of wrong doing and present all findings transparently. Things have changed a lot. Body cams, CCTV, mobile phones....worlds a different place. As I say, from what I’ve seen there was no unlawful actions on the part of the Met. I’ll wait to be proven wrong in any subsequent investigation.
It's going slightly off topic but there is still a culture of protecting our own there.
Look how many people have died in police custody.
This may be totally incorrect and I'll happily retract if so ,but I was reading somewhere that the guy arrested,was accused of doing something previously.
Not murder obvs but some harassment thing?
I'll have to dig it out.
He was also arrested for indecent exposure. I’m not 100% on his career path but he only joined in 2018 and he was on the diplomatic protection unit already. A lot of those officers are armed for obvious reasons. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a major failing in the vetting process in the Met that allowed him to get into that position of authority. Especially if he was armed. The vetting process when wolf became a CTSFO was intense. Questions asked about his ex girlfriend from before he was married well over 10 years ago! So I’d be interested to see what’s happened there.
It’s one of the key things overlooked in this case for me. This is less a man vs woman issue, but more an abuse of a position of trust. Realistically we need more details which will only come in time so we’re speculating here. Unfortunately there will always be bad apples in any organisation tho. It’s a fact of life I’m afraid.
That was it..I knew I'd read something about it.
Like you said if he was arrested for that, he should have got no where near a position of authority. "It’s not 100% clear if he had been arrested before the murder or at the same time for the indecent exposure. If it was before then I’d wager he’s certainly on suspension, especially if was an armed cop. They’ll take your permits off you if there’s any doubt about your fitness for duty wolf is saying. Even if you’ve not slept for instance | |||
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" Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob I wonder if you even remotely see the Misogyny is this paragraph? Really ? I don’t see that at all because there are women who do hate men. I like women, well most of them anyway
You said the 'usual men haters' So you are saying that you knew which those were? Or are you really just making a sweeping Misogynist statement in reality?
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" Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob I wonder if you even remotely see the Misogyny is this paragraph? Really ? I don’t see that at all because there are women who do hate men. I like women, well most of them anyway "Just keep on digging | |||
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"To date there have been 1778 deaths in police custody or otherwise following contact with the police in England & Wales since 1990 there have no convictions And you’re aware that death after police contact is up to 7 days after said contact? And that can be reporting a crime, being stop searched, being interviewed on a voluntary or involuntary basis, literally anything that’s recorded on police systems? I know cops investigated by PSD when someone they’d taken a crime report off died in a car crash two days later. " not by the metric used in these figures it's not. with the metric applied the figures are far far greater. | |||
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" Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob I wonder if you even remotely see the Misogyny is this paragraph? Really ? I don’t see that at all because there are women who do hate men. I like women, well most of them anyway
Just keep on digging "I don’t really care | |||
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"The right to protest is still suspended so far as I’m aware. The Met did what the law tells them they should do in such circumstances. Not that I agree with the law as it stands but there you go. Don’t break the law = not getting arrested
The suffragettes would be with you there.
Difference is there wasn’t a global pandemic during the suffragette movements activism. All I see with this round of protests is another knee jerk reaction to a thankfully incredibly rare occurrence, then complaining about the police doing their job. The same folk I’d wager who were all for the enforcing of fines and agitating for tougher punishments for lockdown breakers a month ago. The back and forth of this particular pendulum is exhausting to me.
What they were doing was still illegall
The world and his wife can see it was over the top.
Oh no - is that whataboutery I hear???
You weren’t there Lionel. Neither was I. So I can only speculate on the information the media decides to present to us. But as a former POTAC I didn’t see anything unlawful about what the Met did (from what media is available) to enforce the laws that every man and his dog has been bitching about NOT being enforced since lockdown started.
I've continually said I wasnt there.
I'm going from what I've read and what I've seen
I'll also take into.account what I've seen in the past.
My opinion is that it looked heavy handed
I said it before but pinning a woman down and dragging her away,in a protest that was 'partly'about how police deal with violent crime against women,is not a great look.
And as an ‘expert’ if you like, in this particular field, I’m disagreeing with you. It might not be a great look, but public order policing isn’t about optics, it’s about maintaining order. Clues in the title Lionel.
Well the home secretary appears to disagree with you.
And the Met chief of staff, POTACs and federation disagree with the Home Secretary. She might be the s Home Secretary but that doesn’t make her an expert or even knowledgable on day to say policing
Well if history tells is anything..its that the police always own up when they do something wrong.
True, there has been an element of the blue wall in the past but this is quickly disappearing these days. If it comes to it another force will independently investigate any accusations of wrong doing and present all findings transparently. Things have changed a lot. Body cams, CCTV, mobile phones....worlds a different place. As I say, from what I’ve seen there was no unlawful actions on the part of the Met. I’ll wait to be proven wrong in any subsequent investigation.
It's going slightly off topic but there is still a culture of protecting our own there.
Look how many people have died in police custody.
This may be totally incorrect and I'll happily retract if so ,but I was reading somewhere that the guy arrested,was accused of doing something previously.
Not murder obvs but some harassment thing?
I'll have to dig it out.
He was also arrested for indecent exposure. I’m not 100% on his career path but he only joined in 2018 and he was on the diplomatic protection unit already. A lot of those officers are armed for obvious reasons. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a major failing in the vetting process in the Met that allowed him to get into that position of authority. Especially if he was armed. The vetting process when wolf became a CTSFO was intense. Questions asked about his ex girlfriend from before he was married well over 10 years ago! So I’d be interested to see what’s happened there.
It’s one of the key things overlooked in this case for me. This is less a man vs woman issue, but more an abuse of a position of trust. Realistically we need more details which will only come in time so we’re speculating here. Unfortunately there will always be bad apples in any organisation tho. It’s a fact of life I’m afraid.
That was it..I knew I'd read something about it.
Like you said if he was arrested for that, he should have got no where near a position of authority.
It’s not 100% clear if he had been arrested before the murder or at the same time for the indecent exposure. If it was before then I’d wager he’s certainly on suspension, especially if was an armed cop. They’ll take your permits off you if there’s any doubt about your fitness for duty wolf is saying. Even if you’ve not slept for instance "But they have the update service now. If that's true..someone has fucked up. | |||
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" Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob I wonder if you even remotely see the Misogyny is this paragraph? Really ? I don’t see that at all because there are women who do hate men. I like women, well most of them anyway
Just keep on digging
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"To date there have been 1778 deaths in police custody or otherwise following contact with the police in England & Wales since 1990 there have no convictions And you’re aware that death after police contact is up to 7 days after said contact? And that can be reporting a crime, being stop searched, being interviewed on a voluntary or involuntary basis, literally anything that’s recorded on police systems? I know cops investigated by PSD when someone they’d taken a crime report off died in a car crash two days later. not by the metric used in these figures it's not. with the metric applied the figures are far far greater." What metric are you using? Your last post had nothing to do with death in custody. You seem to be just attacking the police incoherently. Because that’s your agenda, clearly, we know that. | |||
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"The right to protest is still suspended so far as I’m aware. The Met did what the law tells them they should do in such circumstances. Not that I agree with the law as it stands but there you go. Don’t break the law = not getting arrested
The suffragettes would be with you there.
Difference is there wasn’t a global pandemic during the suffragette movements activism. All I see with this round of protests is another knee jerk reaction to a thankfully incredibly rare occurrence, then complaining about the police doing their job. The same folk I’d wager who were all for the enforcing of fines and agitating for tougher punishments for lockdown breakers a month ago. The back and forth of this particular pendulum is exhausting to me.
What they were doing was still illegall
The world and his wife can see it was over the top.
Oh no - is that whataboutery I hear???
You weren’t there Lionel. Neither was I. So I can only speculate on the information the media decides to present to us. But as a former POTAC I didn’t see anything unlawful about what the Met did (from what media is available) to enforce the laws that every man and his dog has been bitching about NOT being enforced since lockdown started.
I've continually said I wasnt there.
I'm going from what I've read and what I've seen
I'll also take into.account what I've seen in the past.
My opinion is that it looked heavy handed
I said it before but pinning a woman down and dragging her away,in a protest that was 'partly'about how police deal with violent crime against women,is not a great look.
And as an ‘expert’ if you like, in this particular field, I’m disagreeing with you. It might not be a great look, but public order policing isn’t about optics, it’s about maintaining order. Clues in the title Lionel.
Well the home secretary appears to disagree with you.
And the Met chief of staff, POTACs and federation disagree with the Home Secretary. She might be the s Home Secretary but that doesn’t make her an expert or even knowledgable on day to say policing
Well if history tells is anything..its that the police always own up when they do something wrong.
True, there has been an element of the blue wall in the past but this is quickly disappearing these days. If it comes to it another force will independently investigate any accusations of wrong doing and present all findings transparently. Things have changed a lot. Body cams, CCTV, mobile phones....worlds a different place. As I say, from what I’ve seen there was no unlawful actions on the part of the Met. I’ll wait to be proven wrong in any subsequent investigation.
It's going slightly off topic but there is still a culture of protecting our own there.
Look how many people have died in police custody.
This may be totally incorrect and I'll happily retract if so ,but I was reading somewhere that the guy arrested,was accused of doing something previously.
Not murder obvs but some harassment thing?
I'll have to dig it out.
He was also arrested for indecent exposure. I’m not 100% on his career path but he only joined in 2018 and he was on the diplomatic protection unit already. A lot of those officers are armed for obvious reasons. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a major failing in the vetting process in the Met that allowed him to get into that position of authority. Especially if he was armed. The vetting process when wolf became a CTSFO was intense. Questions asked about his ex girlfriend from before he was married well over 10 years ago! So I’d be interested to see what’s happened there.
It’s one of the key things overlooked in this case for me. This is less a man vs woman issue, but more an abuse of a position of trust. Realistically we need more details which will only come in time so we’re speculating here. Unfortunately there will always be bad apples in any organisation tho. It’s a fact of life I’m afraid.
That was it..I knew I'd read something about it.
Like you said if he was arrested for that, he should have got no where near a position of authority.
It’s not 100% clear if he had been arrested before the murder or at the same time for the indecent exposure. If it was before then I’d wager he’s certainly on suspension, especially if was an armed cop. They’ll take your permits off you if there’s any doubt about your fitness for duty wolf is saying. Even if you’ve not slept for instance
But they have the update service now.
If that's true..someone has fucked up."Like I say if it’s a case of vetting fucking up there will be an independent review by an external force into it, overseen by the IOPC. The IOPC love claiming scalps so I’d be satisfied they’d done a proper job. But this is all IF there was a fuck up. He could just be a lone wolf that no one saw coming. It’s happened before in other forces. There was a guy in Halifax (I think) who got convicted of being part of a grooming gang and he was an armed cop, so it shows no system is infallible. | |||
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"Maybe the police should just stand back and let all of these protests take place and when people start smashing things up which always happens don’t clear it up or fix it and pretty soon people will start moaning about what a shithole the places have become
Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob
What did they smash up?
Did you actually read my whole post or just the last bit ?
You said
When they start smashing stuff up..they didnt smash anything up.
I think I'll just let that men haters comment hang there.
I started out by saying “maybe the police should just stand back and let these protests take place”
I'll repeat.
You said.. when people start smashing stuff up..The fact that morning was smashed up makes your point moot."I showed you a video earlier where someone is banging on the side of a van and then smashing the mirror 
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"I have in my past had dealings wit the police
But they have always started off with a request to move along, if I chose not to do so then things get escalated to a gentle prod at which time you should just move
If you choose to start shouting back and trying to push back you get what you deserve .
No doubt if they had just moved and gone home non of this would have happened.
I wouldn't know where to start with that
start by protesting while staying within the law.
i made my first quater of a million by prosecuting the police for their actions during a protest. suffice to say they did not learn their lesson and have been made to compensate me several times for the same thing. seems that nothing has changed several decades on.YOu should be ashamed of supporting anarchy"Once again the award for using hysterical and irrelevant words is yours Emma.. | |||
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"the institutional phenomena of 'closing ranks' during investigation and resigning from the force to avoid action being taken only to phoenix into a different force later on, destroys every shred of credibility in the constabulary's and IOPC's ability to administer justice to serving members crimes. " Now this I can agree in part with. There was always the old switcheroo when senior officers fucked up. There’s still an overhang of that suspicion these days however things do seem to be changing. It’s something rank and file cops always joke about. But when you look at the likes of Duckenfield, Bettison, Belton et al, the last ten years have seen changes for the better. Your average PC will be lynched, hung drawn and quartered if found guilty of any wrong doing or in some cases, even being alleged of wrong doing (plenty of employment tribunals out there of cops being dismissed for bringing the force into disrepute without a full misconduct hearing for instance). If you want to know what your average copper thinks of the public, their career and their supervision, follow bullshire police on social media. Brutal honesty and exposes the fact that police are human, despite your repeated overt attempts to demonise them at every given opportunity. Or remain ignorant, I don’t care | |||
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"Maybe the police should just stand back and let all of these protests take place and when people start smashing things up which always happens don’t clear it up or fix it and pretty soon people will start moaning about what a shithole the places have become
Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob
What did they smash up?
Did you actually read my whole post or just the last bit ?
You said
When they start smashing stuff up..they didnt smash anything up.
I think I'll just let that men haters comment hang there.
I started out by saying “maybe the police should just stand back and let these protests take place”
I'll repeat.
You said.. when people start smashing stuff up..The fact that morning was smashed up makes your point moot.
I showed you a video earlier where someone is banging on the side of a van and then smashing the mirror
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"Maybe the police should just stand back and let all of these protests take place and when people start smashing things up which always happens don’t clear it up or fix it and pretty soon people will start moaning about what a shithole the places have become
Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob
What did they smash up?
Did you actually read my whole post or just the last bit ?
You said
When they start smashing stuff up..they didnt smash anything up.
I think I'll just let that men haters comment hang there.
I started out by saying “maybe the police should just stand back and let these protests take place”
I'll repeat.
You said.. when people start smashing stuff up..The fact that morning was smashed up makes your point moot.
I showed you a video earlier where someone is banging on the side of a van and then smashing the mirror
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"Maybe the police should just stand back and let all of these protests take place and when people start smashing things up which always happens don’t clear it up or fix it and pretty soon people will start moaning about what a shithole the places have become
Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob
What did they smash up?
Did you actually read my whole post or just the last bit ?
You said
When they start smashing stuff up..they didnt smash anything up.
I think I'll just let that men haters comment hang there.
I started out by saying “maybe the police should just stand back and let these protests take place”
I'll repeat.
You said.. when people start smashing stuff up..The fact that morning was smashed up makes your point moot.
I showed you a video earlier where someone is banging on the side of a van and then smashing the mirror
If I had seen my friend pinned down and carted off by the police I probally wouldmt have been best pleased."The girl that was in the van looked fine on the video. Maybe you feel it's ok to turn to violence because your friend was arrested. I don't. Violence cannot solve an issue when the issue is violence | |||
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"Got it badly wrong over the vigil in London yesterday.No they where doing there job as the courts said this virgil should not go ahead. These women are no different to teenagers going to raves etc there is no excuse" Utter drivel, look at the different way the police dealt with Rangers supporters, | |||
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"Maybe the police should just stand back and let all of these protests take place and when people start smashing things up which always happens don’t clear it up or fix it and pretty soon people will start moaning about what a shithole the places have become
Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob
What did they smash up?
Did you actually read my whole post or just the last bit ?
You said
When they start smashing stuff up..they didnt smash anything up.
I think I'll just let that men haters comment hang there.
I started out by saying “maybe the police should just stand back and let these protests take place”
I'll repeat.
You said.. when people start smashing stuff up..The fact that morning was smashed up makes your point moot.
I showed you a video earlier where someone is banging on the side of a van and then smashing the mirror
If I had seen my friend pinned down and carted off by the police I probally wouldmt have been best pleased.
The girl that was in the van looked fine on the video. Maybe you feel it's ok to turn to violence because your friend was arrested. I don't.
Violence cannot solve an issue when the issue is violence "And obvs if that was a family member of yours say,you would have no problem with that? I'm also presuming you are not aware of the irony of your last sentence? | |||
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"Maybe the police should just stand back and let all of these protests take place and when people start smashing things up which always happens don’t clear it up or fix it and pretty soon people will start moaning about what a shithole the places have become
Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob
What did they smash up?
Did you actually read my whole post or just the last bit ?
You said
When they start smashing stuff up..they didnt smash anything up.
I think I'll just let that men haters comment hang there.
I started out by saying “maybe the police should just stand back and let these protests take place”
I'll repeat.
You said.. when people start smashing stuff up..The fact that morning was smashed up makes your point moot.
I showed you a video earlier where someone is banging on the side of a van and then smashing the mirror
If I had seen my friend pinned down and carted off by the police I probally wouldmt have been best pleased.
The girl that was in the van looked fine on the video. Maybe you feel it's ok to turn to violence because your friend was arrested. I don't.
Violence cannot solve an issue when the issue is violence
And obvs if that was a family member of yours say,you would have no problem with that?
I'm also presuming you are not aware of the irony of your last sentence?"If that was a family member of mine who was breaking the law then that's on them. You are aware that there's official channels for complaint aren't you? | |||
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"Maybe the police should just stand back and let all of these protests take place and when people start smashing things up which always happens don’t clear it up or fix it and pretty soon people will start moaning about what a shithole the places have become
Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob
What did they smash up?
Did you actually read my whole post or just the last bit ?
You said
When they start smashing stuff up..they didnt smash anything up.
I think I'll just let that men haters comment hang there.
I started out by saying “maybe the police should just stand back and let these protests take place”
I'll repeat.
You said.. when people start smashing stuff up..The fact that morning was smashed up makes your point moot.
I showed you a video earlier where someone is banging on the side of a van and then smashing the mirror
If I had seen my friend pinned down and carted off by the police I probally wouldmt have been best pleased.
The girl that was in the van looked fine on the video. Maybe you feel it's ok to turn to violence because your friend was arrested. I don't.
Violence cannot solve an issue when the issue is violence
And obvs if that was a family member of yours say,you would have no problem with that?
I'm also presuming you are not aware of the irony of your last sentence?
If that was a family member of mine who was breaking the law then that's on them. You are aware that there's official channels for complaint aren't you?"Yeah cos complaints about the police have a great track record of success | |||
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"Maybe the police should just stand back and let all of these protests take place and when people start smashing things up which always happens don’t clear it up or fix it and pretty soon people will start moaning about what a shithole the places have become
Peaceful LEGAL protest is our right but this was an illegal gathering and there were the usual scattering of man haters who infiltrated intent on turning it into a mob
What did they smash up?
Did you actually read my whole post or just the last bit ?
You said
When they start smashing stuff up..they didnt smash anything up.
I think I'll just let that men haters comment hang there.
I started out by saying “maybe the police should just stand back and let these protests take place”
I'll repeat.
You said.. when people start smashing stuff up..The fact that morning was smashed up makes your point moot.
I showed you a video earlier where someone is banging on the side of a van and then smashing the mirror
If I had seen my friend pinned down and carted off by the police I probally wouldmt have been best pleased.
The girl that was in the van looked fine on the video. Maybe you feel it's ok to turn to violence because your friend was arrested. I don't.
Violence cannot solve an issue when the issue is violence
And obvs if that was a family member of yours say,you would have no problem with that?
I'm also presuming you are not aware of the irony of your last sentence?
If that was a family member of mine who was breaking the law then that's on them. You are aware that there's official channels for complaint aren't you?"Of course The police have always been totally transparent and ,as mentioned previously,are always keen to hold their hands up, when then make a mistake. | |||
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"I'm sure the family of Charles de Menezes are big advocates of the police complaints process." or the families of the 1778 people who died with police involvement since 1990 with no convictions made. | |||
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"I wonder how the girls family feel today, the massive pain of losing their daughter, her memory now stained by all this. Her family requested it not to go ahead, they should have shown due respect and not gone ahead. If the issue was just about Sarah then I would agree with you - but it wasn't, it was about all women in the UK. Perhaps so but it still remains that what happened to her was the catalyst and a vigil used as a rationale. All I'm saying is they could have shown due respect. Banners saying 'we'll teach our daughters how to kill' isn't really forwarding a good case but hey, what do I know, I'm just a woman in the UK. " agree the whole thing has been hijacked and it seems to be a theme with a lot of protests now, using someone elses situation as a Trojan horse for their own agenda | |||
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"I'm sure the family of Charles de Menezes are big advocates of the police complaints process. Sorry Lionel, but that’s spoken like someone who really doesn’t have a clue about policing. I don’t mean to sound dismissive but that was considered a lawful shooting. You can’t blame the cops on the ground for that. Cressida Dick was actually the commander that day did you know that? " Yep Thats why I mentioned it above. I wasnt blaming the cops,I was challenging the assertion that if you go through the correct channels, justice will be done. Things may have changed now but the police have got away with all sorts of cover ups in the past | |||
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"I wonder how the girls family feel today, the massive pain of losing their daughter, her memory now stained by all this. Her family requested it not to go ahead, they should have shown due respect and not gone ahead. If the issue was just about Sarah then I would agree with you - but it wasn't, it was about all women in the UK. Perhaps so but it still remains that what happened to her was the catalyst and a vigil used as a rationale. All I'm saying is they could have shown due respect. Banners saying 'we'll teach our daughters how to kill' isn't really forwarding a good case but hey, what do I know, I'm just a woman in the UK. agree the whole thing has been hijacked and it seems to be a theme with a lot of protests now, using someone elses situation as a Trojan horse for their own agenda " | |||
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"I'm sure the family of Charles de Menezes are big advocates of the police complaints process. Sorry Lionel, but that’s spoken like someone who really doesn’t have a clue about policing. I don’t mean to sound dismissive but that was considered a lawful shooting. You can’t blame the cops on the ground for that. Cressida Dick was actually the commander that day did you know that? Yep Thats why I mentioned it above. I wasnt blaming the cops,I was challenging the assertion that if you go through the correct channels, justice will be done. Things may have changed now but the police have got away with all sorts of cover ups in the past " The point I was making was there was no coverup. There was a series of Intel gaps (which always happens) and communications failures (which have since been rectified). On the back of it the police also brought in the ‘critical shot’, which you won’t like, as it’s basically a state execution of a subject. This was all to put more responsibility on commanders and not the boots on the ground so to speak. | |||
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"To date there have been 1778 deaths in police custody or otherwise following contact with the police in England & Wales since 1990 there have no convictions And you’re aware that death after police contact is up to 7 days after said contact? And that can be reporting a crime, being stop searched, being interviewed on a voluntary or involuntary basis, literally anything that’s recorded on police systems? I know cops investigated by PSD when someone they’d taken a crime report off died in a car crash two days later. not by the metric used in these figures it's not. with the metric applied the figures are far far greater. What metric are you using? Your last post had nothing to do with death in custody. You seem to be just attacking the police incoherently. Because that’s your agenda, clearly, we know that. " | |||
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