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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. " Said it a few weeks ago. She will go down as a politicial great. | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. " Such a contrast. Merkel lead with integrity and class, Boris is just a bumbling baffoon | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. Such a contrast. Merkel lead with integrity and class, Boris is just a bumbling baffoon " Even her opponents have praised her. A truly outstanding stateswoman whatever your politics. | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. Such a contrast. Merkel lead with integrity and class, Boris is just a bumbling baffoon Even her opponents have praised her. A truly outstanding stateswoman whatever your politics. " Agreed, hopefully our next leader will be as globally respected | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. Such a contrast. Merkel lead with integrity and class, Boris is just a bumbling baffoon " Probally why she isnt population with our resident brexiteers | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. Such a contrast. Merkel lead with integrity and class, Boris is just a bumbling baffoon Probally why she isnt population with our resident brexiteers " she’s been great for Germany | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. Such a contrast. Merkel lead with integrity and class, Boris is just a bumbling baffoon Probally why she isnt population with our resident brexiteers " What does this have to do with Brexit? I don't think anyone can deny that Merkel has done a great job for Germany. | |||
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"I didn’t post this to be about Brexit I posted it firstly to say total respect to an outstanding person. She deserves all the plaudits given. Secondly to show how short changed we are with our lot. And that’s both sides of Parliament but especially our current leader. " I'm aware. I was replying to the last poster. Whilst I'm aware you're not a fan of Brexit, that's your right but I can see you're not just out to try score cheap points. In a post praising Merkel we've already had Brexit and Trump. Why can't we just praise Merkel instead of denouncing others? | |||
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"Trump in a merkel thread lmao" So let's get this straight. When you talk about a politician.. you are now not allowed to mention any other politician in any context? Have I got that right? | |||
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"Trump in a merkel thread lmao So let's get this straight. When you talk about a politician.. you are now not allowed to mention any other politician in any context? Have I got that right?" lol does that go for corbyn aswell then lol come on Lionel this is about merkel nothing to do with trump lol | |||
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"Who?" German politician Been ruling over one of the most powerful countries in europe for the last decade or so Ring any bells? | |||
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"Trump in a merkel thread lmao So let's get this straight. When you talk about a politician.. you are now not allowed to mention any other politician in any context? Have I got that right?lol does that go for corbyn aswell then lol come on Lionel this is about merkel nothing to do with trump lol" As stated It was an example of Merkel standing her ground But Duly noted Anytime someone mentions another politician they will get pulled up. | |||
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"A strong leader, who faced down many critics during her time and held firm on what she believed in. " Very true. Is her replacement as good. Big shoes to fill | |||
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"I didn’t post this to be about Brexit I posted it firstly to say total respect to an outstanding person. She deserves all the plaudits given. Secondly to show how short changed we are with our lot. And that’s both sides of Parliament but especially our current leader. I'm aware. I was replying to the last poster. Whilst I'm aware you're not a fan of Brexit, that's your right but I can see you're not just out to try score cheap points. In a post praising Merkel we've already had Brexit and Trump. Why can't we just praise Merkel instead of denouncing others?" By showing what we should have it exposes what we actually have. I’m a fan of Merkel I admit but to see the state of our choices of MPs across all parties just shows that we heading totally in the wrong way in allowing the system we have. Merkel is well paid and is happy with that. She’s put her country first. When was the last time you felt that about our politicians. | |||
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"I didn’t post this to be about Brexit I posted it firstly to say total respect to an outstanding person. She deserves all the plaudits given. Secondly to show how short changed we are with our lot. And that’s both sides of Parliament but especially our current leader. I'm aware. I was replying to the last poster. Whilst I'm aware you're not a fan of Brexit, that's your right but I can see you're not just out to try score cheap points. In a post praising Merkel we've already had Brexit and Trump. Why can't we just praise Merkel instead of denouncing others? By showing what we should have it exposes what we actually have. I’m a fan of Merkel I admit but to see the state of our choices of MPs across all parties just shows that we heading totally in the wrong way in allowing the system we have. Merkel is well paid and is happy with that. She’s put her country first. When was the last time you felt that about our politicians. " I have never personally felt that way about any of our politicians in my adult life. Sad but that's the fact of it and I don't see it changing unless rules change (which won't happen) | |||
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"I didn’t post this to be about Brexit I posted it firstly to say total respect to an outstanding person. She deserves all the plaudits given. Secondly to show how short changed we are with our lot. And that’s both sides of Parliament but especially our current leader. I'm aware. I was replying to the last poster. Whilst I'm aware you're not a fan of Brexit, that's your right but I can see you're not just out to try score cheap points. In a post praising Merkel we've already had Brexit and Trump. Why can't we just praise Merkel instead of denouncing others? By showing what we should have it exposes what we actually have. I’m a fan of Merkel I admit but to see the state of our choices of MPs across all parties just shows that we heading totally in the wrong way in allowing the system we have. Merkel is well paid and is happy with that. She’s put her country first. When was the last time you felt that about our politicians. " I'd struggle to name any politician from the last decade ,in this country, to come even close. | |||
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"I didn’t post this to be about Brexit I posted it firstly to say total respect to an outstanding person. She deserves all the plaudits given. Secondly to show how short changed we are with our lot. And that’s both sides of Parliament but especially our current leader. I'm aware. I was replying to the last poster. Whilst I'm aware you're not a fan of Brexit, that's your right but I can see you're not just out to try score cheap points. In a post praising Merkel we've already had Brexit and Trump. Why can't we just praise Merkel instead of denouncing others? By showing what we should have it exposes what we actually have. I’m a fan of Merkel I admit but to see the state of our choices of MPs across all parties just shows that we heading totally in the wrong way in allowing the system we have. Merkel is well paid and is happy with that. She’s put her country first. When was the last time you felt that about our politicians. I'd struggle to name any politician from the last decade ,in this country, to come even close." How about the last 16 years, the time Merkel has been in power? | |||
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"I didn’t post this to be about Brexit I posted it firstly to say total respect to an outstanding person. She deserves all the plaudits given. Secondly to show how short changed we are with our lot. And that’s both sides of Parliament but especially our current leader. I'm aware. I was replying to the last poster. Whilst I'm aware you're not a fan of Brexit, that's your right but I can see you're not just out to try score cheap points. In a post praising Merkel we've already had Brexit and Trump. Why can't we just praise Merkel instead of denouncing others? By showing what we should have it exposes what we actually have. I’m a fan of Merkel I admit but to see the state of our choices of MPs across all parties just shows that we heading totally in the wrong way in allowing the system we have. Merkel is well paid and is happy with that. She’s put her country first. When was the last time you felt that about our politicians. I have never personally felt that way about any of our politicians in my adult life. Sad but that's the fact of it and I don't see it changing unless rules change (which won't happen)" It won't change because most of the electorate think we don't have a problem with our politics or they don't care. Our politics should reflect the people of this country as a whole. They don't. | |||
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"I didn’t post this to be about Brexit I posted it firstly to say total respect to an outstanding person. She deserves all the plaudits given. Secondly to show how short changed we are with our lot. And that’s both sides of Parliament but especially our current leader. I'm aware. I was replying to the last poster. Whilst I'm aware you're not a fan of Brexit, that's your right but I can see you're not just out to try score cheap points. In a post praising Merkel we've already had Brexit and Trump. Why can't we just praise Merkel instead of denouncing others? By showing what we should have it exposes what we actually have. I’m a fan of Merkel I admit but to see the state of our choices of MPs across all parties just shows that we heading totally in the wrong way in allowing the system we have. Merkel is well paid and is happy with that. She’s put her country first. When was the last time you felt that about our politicians. I'd struggle to name any politician from the last decade ,in this country, to come even close. How about the last 16 years, the time Merkel has been in power?" I suppose it depends on your defeniton..Blair will go down as one of the most successful politicians of recent years,but he has a tarnished reputation. I'm not sure we produce many great politicians in this country anymore. | |||
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"I didn’t post this to be about Brexit I posted it firstly to say total respect to an outstanding person. She deserves all the plaudits given. Secondly to show how short changed we are with our lot. And that’s both sides of Parliament but especially our current leader. I'm aware. I was replying to the last poster. Whilst I'm aware you're not a fan of Brexit, that's your right but I can see you're not just out to try score cheap points. In a post praising Merkel we've already had Brexit and Trump. Why can't we just praise Merkel instead of denouncing others? By showing what we should have it exposes what we actually have. I’m a fan of Merkel I admit but to see the state of our choices of MPs across all parties just shows that we heading totally in the wrong way in allowing the system we have. Merkel is well paid and is happy with that. She’s put her country first. When was the last time you felt that about our politicians. I have never personally felt that way about any of our politicians in my adult life. Sad but that's the fact of it and I don't see it changing unless rules change (which won't happen) It won't change because most of the electorate think we don't have a problem with our politics or they don't care. Our politics should reflect the people of this country as a whole. They don't." That is not the reason it won't change in my mind. For me, it won't change because their is no party in parliament who wants it to change. It's got nothing to do with the electorate. | |||
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"Here is a good read. https://capx.co/merkels-mistakes/" That looks like a credible website. I'm not sure the internet is big enough to list all of boris's. | |||
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"I didn’t post this to be about Brexit I posted it firstly to say total respect to an outstanding person. She deserves all the plaudits given. Secondly to show how short changed we are with our lot. And that’s both sides of Parliament but especially our current leader. I'm aware. I was replying to the last poster. Whilst I'm aware you're not a fan of Brexit, that's your right but I can see you're not just out to try score cheap points. In a post praising Merkel we've already had Brexit and Trump. Why can't we just praise Merkel instead of denouncing others? By showing what we should have it exposes what we actually have. I’m a fan of Merkel I admit but to see the state of our choices of MPs across all parties just shows that we heading totally in the wrong way in allowing the system we have. Merkel is well paid and is happy with that. She’s put her country first. When was the last time you felt that about our politicians. I have never personally felt that way about any of our politicians in my adult life. Sad but that's the fact of it and I don't see it changing unless rules change (which won't happen) It won't change because most of the electorate think we don't have a problem with our politics or they don't care. Our politics should reflect the people of this country as a whole. They don't." I think it starts with education. Too many people think politics dont concern them..and we are still a nation of serfs. | |||
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"I didn’t post this to be about Brexit I posted it firstly to say total respect to an outstanding person. She deserves all the plaudits given. Secondly to show how short changed we are with our lot. And that’s both sides of Parliament but especially our current leader. I'm aware. I was replying to the last poster. Whilst I'm aware you're not a fan of Brexit, that's your right but I can see you're not just out to try score cheap points. In a post praising Merkel we've already had Brexit and Trump. Why can't we just praise Merkel instead of denouncing others? By showing what we should have it exposes what we actually have. I’m a fan of Merkel I admit but to see the state of our choices of MPs across all parties just shows that we heading totally in the wrong way in allowing the system we have. Merkel is well paid and is happy with that. She’s put her country first. When was the last time you felt that about our politicians. I'd struggle to name any politician from the last decade ,in this country, to come even close. How about the last 16 years, the time Merkel has been in power? I suppose it depends on your defeniton..Blair will go down as one of the most successful politicians of recent years,but he has a tarnished reputation. I'm not sure we produce many great politicians in this country anymore. " So you would or wouldn't name Blair? | |||
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"Here is a good read. https://capx.co/merkels-mistakes/" Sadly the even worse than Thatcherite pro extreme capitalist writers and editors of this site lead me to dismiss the article as bias. | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. " Sounds like an old Neil Kinnock rally | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. " She filled the country with imigrants not popular causing the rise of a new nazi style movement. Yes overall a good leader but also got a lot wrong and is responable for the EU starting to fall apart. Germans never moan about there leaders as we do anyway | |||
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"Here is a good read. https://capx.co/merkels-mistakes/ Sadly the even worse than Thatcherite pro extreme capitalist writers and editors of this site lead me to dismiss the article as bias. " Lol, which bits are bias? The television adverts to warn people in Albania not to come to Germany as their chances of getting asylum were close to zero? The large inflow of immigrants that led to increased violent crime and allowed terror groups to take advantage of the situation. It was accompanied with high unemployment among newcomers and a low rate of return for those denied asylum. | |||
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"I didn’t post this to be about Brexit I posted it firstly to say total respect to an outstanding person. She deserves all the plaudits given. Secondly to show how short changed we are with our lot. And that’s both sides of Parliament but especially our current leader. I'm aware. I was replying to the last poster. Whilst I'm aware you're not a fan of Brexit, that's your right but I can see you're not just out to try score cheap points. In a post praising Merkel we've already had Brexit and Trump. Why can't we just praise Merkel instead of denouncing others? By showing what we should have it exposes what we actually have. I’m a fan of Merkel I admit but to see the state of our choices of MPs across all parties just shows that we heading totally in the wrong way in allowing the system we have. Merkel is well paid and is happy with that. She’s put her country first. When was the last time you felt that about our politicians. I have never personally felt that way about any of our politicians in my adult life. Sad but that's the fact of it and I don't see it changing unless rules change (which won't happen) It won't change because most of the electorate think we don't have a problem with our politics or they don't care. Our politics should reflect the people of this country as a whole. They don't. I think it starts with education. Too many people think politics dont concern them..and we are still a nation of serfs." I agree People have ever increasingly been mislead by media over the last thirty years and we just seem to accept our lot as citizens. The gap between rich and working poor never gets any smaller. We are as mushrooms lead by a deceitful class of self interested politicians who in reality conform and play the game as soon as they arrive at the best club in the world. We have to do away with the two party club or it will never improve for the average worker in this country. Technology has created vast fortunes but do those of you earning £15-30k a year feel that much better off? I mention those numbers as the first is the mode wage in the U.K. and the second is the mean average. The median average is £24k So lots of low paid out there still even with all this wealth generation. | |||
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"Here is a good read. https://capx.co/merkels-mistakes/ Sadly the even worse than Thatcherite pro extreme capitalist writers and editors of this site lead me to dismiss the article as bias. Lol, which bits are bias? The television adverts to warn people in Albania not to come to Germany as their chances of getting asylum were close to zero? The large inflow of immigrants that led to increased violent crime and allowed terror groups to take advantage of the situation. It was accompanied with high unemployment among newcomers and a low rate of return for those denied asylum." Read up on the owners of the website then tell me it’s not bias. However you wish to criticise she leaves our leaders in her wake. Germany shows how weak we are in comparison. I’m not proud of that . | |||
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"I didn’t post this to be about Brexit I posted it firstly to say total respect to an outstanding person. She deserves all the plaudits given. Secondly to show how short changed we are with our lot. And that’s both sides of Parliament but especially our current leader. I'm aware. I was replying to the last poster. Whilst I'm aware you're not a fan of Brexit, that's your right but I can see you're not just out to try score cheap points. In a post praising Merkel we've already had Brexit and Trump. Why can't we just praise Merkel instead of denouncing others? By showing what we should have it exposes what we actually have. I’m a fan of Merkel I admit but to see the state of our choices of MPs across all parties just shows that we heading totally in the wrong way in allowing the system we have. Merkel is well paid and is happy with that. She’s put her country first. When was the last time you felt that about our politicians. I have never personally felt that way about any of our politicians in my adult life. Sad but that's the fact of it and I don't see it changing unless rules change (which won't happen) It won't change because most of the electorate think we don't have a problem with our politics or they don't care. Our politics should reflect the people of this country as a whole. They don't. I think it starts with education. Too many people think politics dont concern them..and we are still a nation of serfs." Agreed. | |||
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"Do we know why she is going now? Can she see the rocks a head ? It's not hard to captain the ship in mild weather or is it illness or ? "18 years of mild weather 
She’s leaving of her own choice . Not being pushed or harried. She’s done an amazing job and lead as a true strong force to be record with. I didn’t see Cameron, May or Boris stand up to trump ever. | |||
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"I didn’t post this to be about Brexit I posted it firstly to say total respect to an outstanding person. She deserves all the plaudits given. Secondly to show how short changed we are with our lot. And that’s both sides of Parliament but especially our current leader. I'm aware. I was replying to the last poster. Whilst I'm aware you're not a fan of Brexit, that's your right but I can see you're not just out to try score cheap points. In a post praising Merkel we've already had Brexit and Trump. Why can't we just praise Merkel instead of denouncing others? By showing what we should have it exposes what we actually have. I’m a fan of Merkel I admit but to see the state of our choices of MPs across all parties just shows that we heading totally in the wrong way in allowing the system we have. Merkel is well paid and is happy with that. She’s put her country first. When was the last time you felt that about our politicians. I have never personally felt that way about any of our politicians in my adult life. Sad but that's the fact of it and I don't see it changing unless rules change (which won't happen) It won't change because most of the electorate think we don't have a problem with our politics or they don't care. Our politics should reflect the people of this country as a whole. They don't. That is not the reason it won't change in my mind. For me, it won't change because their is no party in parliament who wants it to change. It's got nothing to do with the electorate." Really? So these people elect themselves? While I agree that no party will push for change because the setup suits them rather than us, acting like the electorate have no influence or input is just simply trying to distance ourselves from the mess. We all have a part to play. | |||
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"Here is a good read. https://capx.co/merkels-mistakes/ Sadly the even worse than Thatcherite pro extreme capitalist writers and editors of this site lead me to dismiss the article as bias. Lol, which bits are bias? The television adverts to warn people in Albania not to come to Germany as their chances of getting asylum were close to zero? The large inflow of immigrants that led to increased violent crime and allowed terror groups to take advantage of the situation. It was accompanied with high unemployment among newcomers and a low rate of return for those denied asylum." Personally I think her stance on.immigration was admirable. You can bet if she was tough on immigration there would be digs thrown at her from Germany's past. | |||
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"I didn’t post this to be about Brexit I posted it firstly to say total respect to an outstanding person. She deserves all the plaudits given. Secondly to show how short changed we are with our lot. And that’s both sides of Parliament but especially our current leader. I'm aware. I was replying to the last poster. Whilst I'm aware you're not a fan of Brexit, that's your right but I can see you're not just out to try score cheap points. In a post praising Merkel we've already had Brexit and Trump. Why can't we just praise Merkel instead of denouncing others? By showing what we should have it exposes what we actually have. I’m a fan of Merkel I admit but to see the state of our choices of MPs across all parties just shows that we heading totally in the wrong way in allowing the system we have. Merkel is well paid and is happy with that. She’s put her country first. When was the last time you felt that about our politicians. I have never personally felt that way about any of our politicians in my adult life. Sad but that's the fact of it and I don't see it changing unless rules change (which won't happen) It won't change because most of the electorate think we don't have a problem with our politics or they don't care. Our politics should reflect the people of this country as a whole. They don't. That is not the reason it won't change in my mind. For me, it won't change because their is no party in parliament who wants it to change. It's got nothing to do with the electorate. Really? So these people elect themselves. While I agree that no party will push for change because the setup suits them rather than us, acting like the electorate have no influence or input is just simply trying to distance ourselves from the mess. We all have a part to play." No but they orchestrate the playing field, Blair in my opinion placed himself nicely to take middle ground and to the left conservative votes at the expense of lower income traditional labour voters, long term Boris has benefitted | |||
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"I didn’t post this to be about Brexit I posted it firstly to say total respect to an outstanding person. She deserves all the plaudits given. Secondly to show how short changed we are with our lot. And that’s both sides of Parliament but especially our current leader. I'm aware. I was replying to the last poster. Whilst I'm aware you're not a fan of Brexit, that's your right but I can see you're not just out to try score cheap points. In a post praising Merkel we've already had Brexit and Trump. Why can't we just praise Merkel instead of denouncing others? By showing what we should have it exposes what we actually have. I’m a fan of Merkel I admit but to see the state of our choices of MPs across all parties just shows that we heading totally in the wrong way in allowing the system we have. Merkel is well paid and is happy with that. She’s put her country first. When was the last time you felt that about our politicians. I have never personally felt that way about any of our politicians in my adult life. Sad but that's the fact of it and I don't see it changing unless rules change (which won't happen) It won't change because most of the electorate think we don't have a problem with our politics or they don't care. Our politics should reflect the people of this country as a whole. They don't. I think it starts with education. Too many people think politics dont concern them..and we are still a nation of serfs. I agree People have ever increasingly been mislead by media over the last thirty years and we just seem to accept our lot as citizens. The gap between rich and working poor never gets any smaller. We are as mushrooms lead by a deceitful class of self interested politicians who in reality conform and play the game as soon as they arrive at the best club in the world. We have to do away with the two party club or it will never improve for the average worker in this country. Technology has created vast fortunes but do those of you earning £15-30k a year feel that much better off? I mention those numbers as the first is the mode wage in the U.K. and the second is the mean average. The median average is £24k So lots of low paid out there still even with all this wealth generation. " Without making it about you know who there is still a school of thought that because you went to oxford and can speak some latin,you were born to rule. Despite how clueless you are. Just leave it to them..they know best. That can only be challenged with education. | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. She filled the country with imigrants not popular causing the rise of a new nazi style movement. Yes overall a good leader but also got a lot wrong and is responable for the EU starting to fall apart. Germans never moan about there leaders as we do anyway" She’s been a stabilising centre for the EU so totally disagree with your comment. You will find the right wing in Germany is there due to ill feelings of disenfranchised former East German regional politicians. They still have a slight negative hangover from unification. Their incompetence lead to their redundancy as a power base. The western government had to impose hard economic rules and accountability which was unheard of in a communist era. So let’s rise up and blame immigration and the lax western democracies including that old Eastern bloc politician Merkel ...oh wait.. interestingly rather than English a lot of East Germans have Russian as a second language. As in the U.K. . Ignorance leads to racism. Even Merkel admitted the numbers allowed in should have been staggered better but not dropped. We cry like babies over the few refugees we took I’ve travelled there a lot and even with their negative communist legacy they want to work and better their lives for themselves and their country. Hard working people. | |||
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"I didn’t post this to be about Brexit I posted it firstly to say total respect to an outstanding person. She deserves all the plaudits given. Secondly to show how short changed we are with our lot. And that’s both sides of Parliament but especially our current leader. I'm aware. I was replying to the last poster. Whilst I'm aware you're not a fan of Brexit, that's your right but I can see you're not just out to try score cheap points. In a post praising Merkel we've already had Brexit and Trump. Why can't we just praise Merkel instead of denouncing others? By showing what we should have it exposes what we actually have. I’m a fan of Merkel I admit but to see the state of our choices of MPs across all parties just shows that we heading totally in the wrong way in allowing the system we have. Merkel is well paid and is happy with that. She’s put her country first. When was the last time you felt that about our politicians. I have never personally felt that way about any of our politicians in my adult life. Sad but that's the fact of it and I don't see it changing unless rules change (which won't happen) It won't change because most of the electorate think we don't have a problem with our politics or they don't care. Our politics should reflect the people of this country as a whole. They don't. That is not the reason it won't change in my mind. For me, it won't change because their is no party in parliament who wants it to change. It's got nothing to do with the electorate. Really? So these people elect themselves? While I agree that no party will push for change because the setup suits them rather than us, acting like the electorate have no influence or input is just simply trying to distance ourselves from the mess. We all have a part to play." The odds are stacked against us. The parachuting of nearly 50% of candidates secures the central control of politicians. We need to stop that. | |||
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"Do we know why she is going now? Can she see the rocks a head ? It's not hard to captain the ship in mild weather or is it illness or ? "She announced back in 2018 that she would step down once her term as Chancellor ended in 2021. Her announcement followed the most recent setback in a series her party has experienced in state polls. | |||
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"Yes definitely remembered by all the women was it 1000 plus that where sexually assaulted in 2025/16 New Year’s Eve , they won’t forget her " Did any prosecutions ever come of that? | |||
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"Yes definitely remembered by all the women was it 1000 plus that where sexually assaulted in 2025/16 New Year’s Eve , they won’t forget her Did any prosecutions ever come of that? " They tried a news blackout certainly didn’t suit Merkel for it to get out ,not sure about prosecutions but bet not many | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. She filled the country with imigrants not popular causing the rise of a new nazi style movement. Yes overall a good leader but also got a lot wrong and is responable for the EU starting to fall apart. Germans never moan about there leaders as we do anyway She’s been a stabilising centre for the EU so totally disagree with your comment. You will find the right wing in Germany is there due to ill feelings of disenfranchised former East German regional politicians. They still have a slight negative hangover from unification. Their incompetence lead to their redundancy as a power base. The western government had to impose hard economic rules and accountability which was unheard of in a communist era. So let’s rise up and blame immigration and the lax western democracies including that old Eastern bloc politician Merkel ...oh wait.. interestingly rather than English a lot of East Germans have Russian as a second language. As in the U.K. . Ignorance leads to racism. Even Merkel admitted the numbers allowed in should have been staggered better but not dropped. We cry like babies over the few refugees we took I’ve travelled there a lot and even with their negative communist legacy they want to work and better their lives for themselves and their country. Hard working people. " has she? or has she been making sure it all suits germany best? the greeks are in trouble because they cannot devalue their money, germany benefits from the fact because it means their currency is ineffect undervalued, yes i know they all have euro, that is the point, this benefits germany keeping them competitive but doesnt help greece at all, same for the other poor eu nations. Of course germany has become the centre and can only get stronger off the back of it as the poorer countries are trapped. | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. She filled the country with imigrants not popular causing the rise of a new nazi style movement. Yes overall a good leader but also got a lot wrong and is responable for the EU starting to fall apart. Germans never moan about there leaders as we do anyway She’s been a stabilising centre for the EU so totally disagree with your comment. You will find the right wing in Germany is there due to ill feelings of disenfranchised former East German regional politicians. They still have a slight negative hangover from unification. Their incompetence lead to their redundancy as a power base. The western government had to impose hard economic rules and accountability which was unheard of in a communist era. So let’s rise up and blame immigration and the lax western democracies including that old Eastern bloc politician Merkel ...oh wait.. interestingly rather than English a lot of East Germans have Russian as a second language. As in the U.K. . Ignorance leads to racism. Even Merkel admitted the numbers allowed in should have been staggered better but not dropped. We cry like babies over the few refugees we took I’ve travelled there a lot and even with their negative communist legacy they want to work and better their lives for themselves and their country. Hard working people. has she? or has she been making sure it all suits germany best? the greeks are in trouble because they cannot devalue their money, germany benefits from the fact because it means their currency is ineffect undervalued, yes i know they all have euro, that is the point, this benefits germany keeping them competitive but doesnt help greece at all, same for the other poor eu nations. Of course germany has become the centre and can only get stronger off the back of it as the poorer countries are trapped. "I posted a link to the effect of having the euro had over the years and Germany have benifited greatly to the detriment of other eu countries but someone didnt like it and was taken down followed by a ban.  | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. She filled the country with imigrants not popular causing the rise of a new nazi style movement. Yes overall a good leader but also got a lot wrong and is responable for the EU starting to fall apart. Germans never moan about there leaders as we do anyway She’s been a stabilising centre for the EU so totally disagree with your comment. You will find the right wing in Germany is there due to ill feelings of disenfranchised former East German regional politicians. They still have a slight negative hangover from unification. Their incompetence lead to their redundancy as a power base. The western government had to impose hard economic rules and accountability which was unheard of in a communist era. So let’s rise up and blame immigration and the lax western democracies including that old Eastern bloc politician Merkel ...oh wait.. interestingly rather than English a lot of East Germans have Russian as a second language. As in the U.K. . Ignorance leads to racism. Even Merkel admitted the numbers allowed in should have been staggered better but not dropped. We cry like babies over the few refugees we took I’ve travelled there a lot and even with their negative communist legacy they want to work and better their lives for themselves and their country. Hard working people. has she? or has she been making sure it all suits germany best? the greeks are in trouble because they cannot devalue their money, germany benefits from the fact because it means their currency is ineffect undervalued, yes i know they all have euro, that is the point, this benefits germany keeping them competitive but doesnt help greece at all, same for the other poor eu nations. Of course germany has become the centre and can only get stronger off the back of it as the poorer countries are trapped. "Greeks should have paid their taxes and problem solved. It was calculated. That if the Greeks had all payed their due tax instead of using cash so much their country would not have needed baling out. But they think it’s their national sport to avoid tax. It but them big time in the end. | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. She filled the country with imigrants not popular causing the rise of a new nazi style movement. Yes overall a good leader but also got a lot wrong and is responable for the EU starting to fall apart. Germans never moan about there leaders as we do anyway She’s been a stabilising centre for the EU so totally disagree with your comment. You will find the right wing in Germany is there due to ill feelings of disenfranchised former East German regional politicians. They still have a slight negative hangover from unification. Their incompetence lead to their redundancy as a power base. The western government had to impose hard economic rules and accountability which was unheard of in a communist era. So let’s rise up and blame immigration and the lax western democracies including that old Eastern bloc politician Merkel ...oh wait.. interestingly rather than English a lot of East Germans have Russian as a second language. As in the U.K. . Ignorance leads to racism. Even Merkel admitted the numbers allowed in should have been staggered better but not dropped. We cry like babies over the few refugees we took I’ve travelled there a lot and even with their negative communist legacy they want to work and better their lives for themselves and their country. Hard working people. has she? or has she been making sure it all suits germany best? the greeks are in trouble because they cannot devalue their money, germany benefits from the fact because it means their currency is ineffect undervalued, yes i know they all have euro, that is the point, this benefits germany keeping them competitive but doesnt help greece at all, same for the other poor eu nations. Of course germany has become the centre and can only get stronger off the back of it as the poorer countries are trapped.
Greeks should have paid their taxes and problem solved.
It was calculated. That if the Greeks had all payed their due tax instead of using cash so much their country would not have needed baling out.
But they think it’s their national sport to avoid tax.
It but them big time in the end. "thats missing the point to some extent, they wouldnt have had the problem to start with! the value of dracma would have dropped, making greek holidays and greek produce cheaper and more competitive, but because they are in euro they cant devalue currency, the flip side is germanys deutsche mark would have risen, and made bmws more expensive, but as linked to greece its kept it down, the winners keep winning and the losers will be stuck/are stuck | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. She filled the country with imigrants not popular causing the rise of a new nazi style movement. Yes overall a good leader but also got a lot wrong and is responable for the EU starting to fall apart. Germans never moan about there leaders as we do anyway She’s been a stabilising centre for the EU so totally disagree with your comment. You will find the right wing in Germany is there due to ill feelings of disenfranchised former East German regional politicians. They still have a slight negative hangover from unification. Their incompetence lead to their redundancy as a power base. The western government had to impose hard economic rules and accountability which was unheard of in a communist era. So let’s rise up and blame immigration and the lax western democracies including that old Eastern bloc politician Merkel ...oh wait.. interestingly rather than English a lot of East Germans have Russian as a second language. As in the U.K. . Ignorance leads to racism. Even Merkel admitted the numbers allowed in should have been staggered better but not dropped. We cry like babies over the few refugees we took I’ve travelled there a lot and even with their negative communist legacy they want to work and better their lives for themselves and their country. Hard working people. has she? or has she been making sure it all suits germany best? the greeks are in trouble because they cannot devalue their money, germany benefits from the fact because it means their currency is ineffect undervalued, yes i know they all have euro, that is the point, this benefits germany keeping them competitive but doesnt help greece at all, same for the other poor eu nations. Of course germany has become the centre and can only get stronger off the back of it as the poorer countries are trapped. I posted a link to the effect of having the euro had over the years and Germany have benifited greatly to the detriment of other eu countries but someone didnt like it and was taken down followed by a ban. "exactly! its been a sneaky move by germany in my opinion | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. She filled the country with imigrants not popular causing the rise of a new nazi style movement. Yes overall a good leader but also got a lot wrong and is responable for the EU starting to fall apart. Germans never moan about there leaders as we do anyway She’s been a stabilising centre for the EU so totally disagree with your comment. You will find the right wing in Germany is there due to ill feelings of disenfranchised former East German regional politicians. They still have a slight negative hangover from unification. Their incompetence lead to their redundancy as a power base. The western government had to impose hard economic rules and accountability which was unheard of in a communist era. So let’s rise up and blame immigration and the lax western democracies including that old Eastern bloc politician Merkel ...oh wait.. interestingly rather than English a lot of East Germans have Russian as a second language. As in the U.K. . Ignorance leads to racism. Even Merkel admitted the numbers allowed in should have been staggered better but not dropped. We cry like babies over the few refugees we took I’ve travelled there a lot and even with their negative communist legacy they want to work and better their lives for themselves and their country. Hard working people. has she? or has she been making sure it all suits germany best? the greeks are in trouble because they cannot devalue their money, germany benefits from the fact because it means their currency is ineffect undervalued, yes i know they all have euro, that is the point, this benefits germany keeping them competitive but doesnt help greece at all, same for the other poor eu nations. Of course germany has become the centre and can only get stronger off the back of it as the poorer countries are trapped.
Greeks should have paid their taxes and problem solved.
It was calculated. That if the Greeks had all payed their due tax instead of using cash so much their country would not have needed baling out.
But they think it’s their national sport to avoid tax.
It but them big time in the end.
thats missing the point to some extent, they wouldnt have had the problem to start with! the value of dracma would have dropped, making greek holidays and greek produce cheaper and more competitive, but because they are in euro they cant devalue currency, the flip side is germanys deutsche mark would have risen, and made bmws more expensive, but as linked to greece its kept it down, the winners keep winning and the losers will be stuck/are stuck "How can not having any money by not paying tax miss the point. Countries don’t usually devalue to zero . Their government bank account stood at zero and less. Blaming the Euro is not the answer to their ridiculous behaviour. | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. She filled the country with imigrants not popular causing the rise of a new nazi style movement. Yes overall a good leader but also got a lot wrong and is responable for the EU starting to fall apart. Germans never moan about there leaders as we do anyway She’s been a stabilising centre for the EU so totally disagree with your comment. You will find the right wing in Germany is there due to ill feelings of disenfranchised former East German regional politicians. They still have a slight negative hangover from unification. Their incompetence lead to their redundancy as a power base. The western government had to impose hard economic rules and accountability which was unheard of in a communist era. So let’s rise up and blame immigration and the lax western democracies including that old Eastern bloc politician Merkel ...oh wait.. interestingly rather than English a lot of East Germans have Russian as a second language. As in the U.K. . Ignorance leads to racism. Even Merkel admitted the numbers allowed in should have been staggered better but not dropped. We cry like babies over the few refugees we took I’ve travelled there a lot and even with their negative communist legacy they want to work and better their lives for themselves and their country. Hard working people. has she? or has she been making sure it all suits germany best? the greeks are in trouble because they cannot devalue their money, germany benefits from the fact because it means their currency is ineffect undervalued, yes i know they all have euro, that is the point, this benefits germany keeping them competitive but doesnt help greece at all, same for the other poor eu nations. Of course germany has become the centre and can only get stronger off the back of it as the poorer countries are trapped.
Greeks should have paid their taxes and problem solved.
It was calculated. That if the Greeks had all payed their due tax instead of using cash so much their country would not have needed baling out.
But they think it’s their national sport to avoid tax.
It but them big time in the end.
thats missing the point to some extent, they wouldnt have had the problem to start with! the value of dracma would have dropped, making greek holidays and greek produce cheaper and more competitive, but because they are in euro they cant devalue currency, the flip side is germanys deutsche mark would have risen, and made bmws more expensive, but as linked to greece its kept it down, the winners keep winning and the losers will be stuck/are stuck
How can not having any money by not paying tax miss the point. Countries don’t usually devalue to zero . Their government bank account stood at zero and less.
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. She filled the country with imigrants not popular causing the rise of a new nazi style movement. Yes overall a good leader but also got a lot wrong and is responable for the EU starting to fall apart. Germans never moan about there leaders as we do anyway She’s been a stabilising centre for the EU so totally disagree with your comment. You will find the right wing in Germany is there due to ill feelings of disenfranchised former East German regional politicians. They still have a slight negative hangover from unification. Their incompetence lead to their redundancy as a power base. The western government had to impose hard economic rules and accountability which was unheard of in a communist era. So let’s rise up and blame immigration and the lax western democracies including that old Eastern bloc politician Merkel ...oh wait.. interestingly rather than English a lot of East Germans have Russian as a second language. As in the U.K. . Ignorance leads to racism. Even Merkel admitted the numbers allowed in should have been staggered better but not dropped. We cry like babies over the few refugees we took I’ve travelled there a lot and even with their negative communist legacy they want to work and better their lives for themselves and their country. Hard working people. has she? or has she been making sure it all suits germany best? the greeks are in trouble because they cannot devalue their money, germany benefits from the fact because it means their currency is ineffect undervalued, yes i know they all have euro, that is the point, this benefits germany keeping them competitive but doesnt help greece at all, same for the other poor eu nations. Of course germany has become the centre and can only get stronger off the back of it as the poorer countries are trapped.
Greeks should have paid their taxes and problem solved.
It was calculated. That if the Greeks had all payed their due tax instead of using cash so much their country would not have needed baling out.
But they think it’s their national sport to avoid tax.
It but them big time in the end.
thats missing the point to some extent, they wouldnt have had the problem to start with! the value of dracma would have dropped, making greek holidays and greek produce cheaper and more competitive, but because they are in euro they cant devalue currency, the flip side is germanys deutsche mark would have risen, and made bmws more expensive, but as linked to greece its kept it down, the winners keep winning and the losers will be stuck/are stuck
How can not having any money by not paying tax miss the point. Countries don’t usually devalue to zero . Their government bank account stood at zero and less.
Blaming the Euro is not the answer to their ridiculous behaviour.
yes all greeks are ridiculous and it has nothing to do with them feeling aggrieved, im sure thats just a side issue! "The Greeks who don’t pay tax then complain the government is bankrupt are ridiculous. Pretty straight forward really. Interestingly self employed doctors one of the worse culprits | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. She filled the country with imigrants not popular causing the rise of a new nazi style movement. Yes overall a good leader but also got a lot wrong and is responable for the EU starting to fall apart. Germans never moan about there leaders as we do anyway She’s been a stabilising centre for the EU so totally disagree with your comment. You will find the right wing in Germany is there due to ill feelings of disenfranchised former East German regional politicians. They still have a slight negative hangover from unification. Their incompetence lead to their redundancy as a power base. The western government had to impose hard economic rules and accountability which was unheard of in a communist era. So let’s rise up and blame immigration and the lax western democracies including that old Eastern bloc politician Merkel ...oh wait.. interestingly rather than English a lot of East Germans have Russian as a second language. As in the U.K. . Ignorance leads to racism. Even Merkel admitted the numbers allowed in should have been staggered better but not dropped. We cry like babies over the few refugees we took I’ve travelled there a lot and even with their negative communist legacy they want to work and better their lives for themselves and their country. Hard working people. has she? or has she been making sure it all suits germany best? the greeks are in trouble because they cannot devalue their money, germany benefits from the fact because it means their currency is ineffect undervalued, yes i know they all have euro, that is the point, this benefits germany keeping them competitive but doesnt help greece at all, same for the other poor eu nations. Of course germany has become the centre and can only get stronger off the back of it as the poorer countries are trapped.
Greeks should have paid their taxes and problem solved.
It was calculated. That if the Greeks had all payed their due tax instead of using cash so much their country would not have needed baling out.
But they think it’s their national sport to avoid tax.
It but them big time in the end.
thats missing the point to some extent, they wouldnt have had the problem to start with! the value of dracma would have dropped, making greek holidays and greek produce cheaper and more competitive, but because they are in euro they cant devalue currency, the flip side is germanys deutsche mark would have risen, and made bmws more expensive, but as linked to greece its kept it down, the winners keep winning and the losers will be stuck/are stuck
How can not having any money by not paying tax miss the point. Countries don’t usually devalue to zero . Their government bank account stood at zero and less.
Blaming the Euro is not the answer to their ridiculous behaviour.
yes all greeks are ridiculous and it has nothing to do with them feeling aggrieved, im sure thats just a side issue!
The Greeks who don’t pay tax then complain the government is bankrupt are ridiculous. Pretty straight forward really.
Interestingly self employed doctors one of the worse culprits "It doesn't matter how hard they paddle they can't break free and they can see it, hence fuck paying tax, let the country go bankrupt and not pay debt.... Im interested to see how it lays out | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. She filled the country with imigrants not popular causing the rise of a new nazi style movement. Yes overall a good leader but also got a lot wrong and is responable for the EU starting to fall apart. Germans never moan about there leaders as we do anyway She’s been a stabilising centre for the EU so totally disagree with your comment. You will find the right wing in Germany is there due to ill feelings of disenfranchised former East German regional politicians. They still have a slight negative hangover from unification. Their incompetence lead to their redundancy as a power base. The western government had to impose hard economic rules and accountability which was unheard of in a communist era. So let’s rise up and blame immigration and the lax western democracies including that old Eastern bloc politician Merkel ...oh wait.. interestingly rather than English a lot of East Germans have Russian as a second language. As in the U.K. . Ignorance leads to racism. Even Merkel admitted the numbers allowed in should have been staggered better but not dropped. We cry like babies over the few refugees we took I’ve travelled there a lot and even with their negative communist legacy they want to work and better their lives for themselves and their country. Hard working people. has she? or has she been making sure it all suits germany best? the greeks are in trouble because they cannot devalue their money, germany benefits from the fact because it means their currency is ineffect undervalued, yes i know they all have euro, that is the point, this benefits germany keeping them competitive but doesnt help greece at all, same for the other poor eu nations. Of course germany has become the centre and can only get stronger off the back of it as the poorer countries are trapped.
Greeks should have paid their taxes and problem solved.
It was calculated. That if the Greeks had all payed their due tax instead of using cash so much their country would not have needed baling out.
But they think it’s their national sport to avoid tax.
It but them big time in the end.
thats missing the point to some extent, they wouldnt have had the problem to start with! the value of dracma would have dropped, making greek holidays and greek produce cheaper and more competitive, but because they are in euro they cant devalue currency, the flip side is germanys deutsche mark would have risen, and made bmws more expensive, but as linked to greece its kept it down, the winners keep winning and the losers will be stuck/are stuck
How can not having any money by not paying tax miss the point. Countries don’t usually devalue to zero . Their government bank account stood at zero and less.
Blaming the Euro is not the answer to their ridiculous behaviour.
yes all greeks are ridiculous and it has nothing to do with them feeling aggrieved, im sure thats just a side issue!
The Greeks who don’t pay tax then complain the government is bankrupt are ridiculous. Pretty straight forward really.
Interestingly self employed doctors one of the worse culprits
It doesn't matter how hard they paddle they can't break free and they can see it, hence fuck paying tax, let the country go bankrupt and not pay debt....
Im interested to see how it lays out "They didn’t pay tax well before the EU came into being so it’s a cultural thing not an EU thing. Just like we don’t tax the super rich so the nurses get 1% and the average worker will be paying off the debt until they die. | |||
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"So Merkel's Germany did well under her reign, isn't that the point irrespective of how they benefitted from the Euro. Clever her, maybe we should have had a Merkel here instead of those who promise big and deliver sod all. " We believe she has done well and I admire her be great to have her hear on the outside. The thing is what do we really know about day to day politics in Germany? In this country we hear about the UK and the US and a bit on the EU but not about individual countries. | |||
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"So Merkel's Germany did well under her reign, isn't that the point irrespective of how they benefitted from the Euro. Clever her, maybe we should have had a Merkel here instead of those who promise big and deliver sod all. We believe she has done well and I admire her be great to have her hear on the outside. The thing is what do we really know about day to day politics in Germany? In this country we hear about the UK and the US and a bit on the EU but not about individual countries." You need to travel Emma | |||
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"So Merkel's Germany did well under her reign, isn't that the point irrespective of how they benefitted from the Euro. Clever her, maybe we should have had a Merkel here instead of those who promise big and deliver sod all. We believe she has done well and I admire her be great to have her hear on the outside. The thing is what do we really know about day to day politics in Germany? In this country we hear about the UK and the US and a bit on the EU but not about individual countries. You need to travel Emma " In Greece about 18 months ago became friendly with a German couple and they said that Britain was amazing for having the courage to leave EU and said that Merkals commitment to the EU was going to destroy Germany. Like most hear do not spend time in Germany but do talk to Germans on holiday | |||
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"So Merkel's Germany did well under her reign, isn't that the point irrespective of how they benefitted from the Euro. Clever her, maybe we should have had a Merkel here instead of those who promise big and deliver sod all. We believe she has done well and I admire her be great to have her hear on the outside. The thing is what do we really know about day to day politics in Germany? In this country we hear about the UK and the US and a bit on the EU but not about individual countries. You need to travel Emma In Greece about 18 months ago became friendly with a German couple and they said that Britain was amazing for having the courage to leave EU and said that Merkals commitment to the EU was going to destroy Germany. Like most hear do not spend time in Germany but do talk to Germans on holiday " Travel and see stuff other than tourist hot spots. You would see that the countries you think you know are nothing like the newspapers tell you. . Everyone is polite on holiday so I don’t think it counts. Or I could say every single one of the people I do business with in the EU, when I’ve spoken of Brexit think we’ve lost the plot. They say it’s our choice but why do we believe that buffoon Boris?? He’s an embarrassment . | |||
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"So Merkel's Germany did well under her reign, isn't that the point irrespective of how they benefitted from the Euro. Clever her, maybe we should have had a Merkel here instead of those who promise big and deliver sod all. We believe she has done well and I admire her be great to have her hear on the outside. The thing is what do we really know about day to day politics in Germany? In this country we hear about the UK and the US and a bit on the EU but not about individual countries. You need to travel Emma In Greece about 18 months ago became friendly with a German couple and they said that Britain was amazing for having the courage to leave EU and said that Merkals commitment to the EU was going to destroy Germany. Like most hear do not spend time in Germany but do talk to Germans on holiday " I met a 3 people from Greece about 15 months ago, they said the UK was stupid to leave the EU and Merkels commitment to the EU was great for Germany . | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice " Yes it is and when you know the reality of the cost of this mess feel free to say it was a mistake. You were lied to . There are no sunny uplands . There us no £350m a week. Costs are rising. If a window salesman tells you yes fine of course all 20 windows will be done by Tuesday then he only delivers 10 . Do you give him time to discuss and say it’s ok time will tell or fo you say where the fuck are my windows? | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice " That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. " i didnt get to vote us in! so i had to wait decades before anyone even asked me, how is that democracy? or even fair? ironically those that voted us in are most likely the ones that voted us out! lol i.e older age range, but im guessing | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. i didnt get to vote us in! so i had to wait decades before anyone even asked me, how is that democracy? or even fair? ironically those that voted us in are most likely the ones that voted us out! lol i.e older age range, but im guessing " | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice Yes it is and when you know the reality of the cost of this mess feel free to say it was a mistake. You were lied to . There are no sunny uplands . There us no £350m a week. Costs are rising. If a window salesman tells you yes fine of course all 20 windows will be done by Tuesday then he only delivers 10 . Do you give him time to discuss and say it’s ok time will tell or fo you say where the fuck are my windows? " now we have window sales man beats he red bud tho lol Okies yr not a fan of brexit but what are you getting from moaning day in day out on a swingers site you do know it ain’t guna change anything I just don’t get it amd I’m been honest what you hoping to achieve? | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. " well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol" Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. " it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice Yes it is and when you know the reality of the cost of this mess feel free to say it was a mistake. You were lied to . There are no sunny uplands . There us no £350m a week. Costs are rising. If a window salesman tells you yes fine of course all 20 windows will be done by Tuesday then he only delivers 10 . Do you give him time to discuss and say it’s ok time will tell or fo you say where the fuck are my windows? now we have window sales man beats he red bud tho lol Okies yr not a fan of brexit but what are you getting from moaning day in day out on a swingers site you do know it ain’t guna change anything I just don’t get it amd I’m been honest what you hoping to achieve?" Debate and educate the uniformed maybe. I’m pointing out facts and I can moan as much as I like as I’m paying for the fuck up brexit is. Do you think Boris is truthful and a good leader? | |||
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"These threads always end in salty remainer tears In spite of all the demonstrable facts of all the benefits. " You sort of exist in a twilight zone but if it makes you happy feel free to crack on. | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate " See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. | |||
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"These threads always end in salty remainer tears In spite of all the demonstrable facts of all the benefits. " What are "salty remainer tears"? Maybe at some point you'll give us a "demonstrable" benefit. Preferably a non-lobster based benefit. Because thus far, you've provided the square root of fuck all. | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. Such a contrast. Merkel lead with integrity and class, Boris is just a bumbling baffoon " You do realise that the Germans are totally different to us British, have you ever been to Germany? It’s a totally different way of life, if you go to a normal town, not one of the larger cities, everything shuts early even the bars & take a ways shut just after 10, most Germans are compliant with the Government, they certainly would never had a Jeremy Corbyn stand as a main opposition leader as they are still very touchy about the anti semitism of WW2. By the way Germany’s reunification east & west would never of happened without our say so, you do realise the UK along with France Russia & the USA had to let the mighty Germans of war debt in order for it to happen? (1990 treaty of final settlement). There are many other reasons Germany is in a better state than the UK financially but just because it seems more steady politically, doesn’t mean that it is. | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. Such a contrast. Merkel lead with integrity and class, Boris is just a bumbling baffoon You do realise that the Germans are totally different to us British, have you ever been to Germany? It’s a totally different way of life, if you go to a normal town, not one of the larger cities, everything shuts early even the bars & take a ways shut just after 10, most Germans are compliant with the Government, they certainly would never had a Jeremy Corbyn stand as a main opposition leader as they are still very touchy about the anti semitism of WW2. By the way Germany’s reunification east & west would never of happened without our say so, you do realise the UK along with France Russia & the USA had to let the mighty Germans of war debt in order for it to happen? (1990 treaty of final settlement). There are many other reasons Germany is in a better state than the UK financially but just because it seems more steady politically, doesn’t mean that it is. " Very true.
Yes I have "been" to Germany. I live there.
Yes Germany is very different and I know full well what you mean about the early closing. Some of the other rules here would certainly raise (at least) a few eyebrows in the UK.
For instance: Try using your lawnmower (or any other power tool) on a Sunday or any bank holiday. If the neighbours complain (and most will) you will get a fine. After a snowfall you have to clear the snow from the pavement in front of your property (and in good time) if not you can be fined.
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"A thread about angela merkle=jeremy Corbyn Obvs when you think about it." He has had worse links. I think he would be pleased to be even mentioned in the same sentence as Merkel | |||
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"Interesting how some are picking fault with Germany and yet their society seems better organised and their politicians represent the people far more. When did the greens in this country ever come up in a general political chat. It’s because their votes in an election never count in this country but in Germany they do. Interesting how it’s us writing off debt that’s made Germany so great. They took on east Germany which is those of you old enough to remember was a bankrupt communist state. ( although not as bad as most). It was in our interests to demolish the Warsaw Pact countries as we couldn’t afford the arms race either. The U.K. trails in Germany’s wake financially and the whataboutary doesn’t stop that from being fact. Envy comes to mind. Anyway if you’re too churlish to allow yourself to recognise an amazing politician then that reflects on you not her. " Im not surprised did you see baroness jenny jones (green) saying yesterday that men should be put on a curfew so that women could feel safe at night. | |||
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" "Germany bid farewell to Angela Merkel with six minutes of continuous applause. The Germans elected her to lead them, and she led 80 million Germans for 18 years with competence, skill, dedication and sincerity. During these eighteen years of her leadership and authority in her country, no transgressions were recorded against her. She did not assign any of her relatives a secretariat. She did not claim that she was the maker of glories. She did not get millions out of her work, nor did she need anyone to cheer her life. She did not receive charters and pledges, she did not fight those who preceded her. She did not utter nonsense. She did not appear in the alleys of Berlin to be photographed. She is the woman dubbed "The Lady of the World" and was described as the equivalent of six million men. Yesterday, Merkel left the party leadership position and handed it over to those after her, and Germany and its German people are in the best condition they could be. The reaction of the Germans was unprecedented in the history of Germany.” Now let’s think and compare her to Boris and Co. How embarrassing our leaders are. They are not fit to lead our great country. Such a contrast. Merkel lead with integrity and class, Boris is just a bumbling baffoon You do realise that the Germans are totally different to us British, have you ever been to Germany? It’s a totally different way of life, if you go to a normal town, not one of the larger cities, everything shuts early even the bars & take a ways shut just after 10, most Germans are compliant with the Government, they certainly would never had a Jeremy Corbyn stand as a main opposition leader as they are still very touchy about the anti semitism of WW2. By the way Germany’s reunification east & west would never of happened without our say so, you do realise the UK along with France Russia & the USA had to let the mighty Germans of war debt in order for it to happen? (1990 treaty of final settlement). There are many other reasons Germany is in a better state than the UK financially but just because it seems more steady politically, doesn’t mean that it is. Very true.
Yes I have "been" to Germany. I live there.
Yes Germany is very different and I know full well what you mean about the early closing. Some of the other rules here would certainly raise (at least) a few eyebrows in the UK.
For instance: Try using your lawnmower (or any other power tool) on a Sunday or any bank holiday. If the neighbours complain (and most will) you will get a fine. After a snowfall you have to clear the snow from the pavement in front of your property (and in good time) if not you can be fined.
Oh! and Sunday shops opening. Forget it."Sounds pretty reasonable to me
How many times one a Sunday in the summer months when the weather is nice and you have a day in the garden some twat has a mower or trimmer going
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"A thread about angela merkle=jeremy Corbyn Obvs when you think about it. He has had worse links. I think he would be pleased to be even mentioned in the same sentence as Merkel" he is angela merkle, never saw them together did you? exactly! | |||
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"Interesting how some are picking fault with Germany and yet their society seems better organised and their politicians represent the people far more. When did the greens in this country ever come up in a general political chat. It’s because their votes in an election never count in this country but in Germany they do. Interesting how it’s us writing off debt that’s made Germany so great. They took on east Germany which is those of you old enough to remember was a bankrupt communist state. ( although not as bad as most). It was in our interests to demolish the Warsaw Pact countries as we couldn’t afford the arms race either. The U.K. trails in Germany’s wake financially and the whataboutary doesn’t stop that from being fact. Envy comes to mind. Anyway if you’re too churlish to allow yourself to recognise an amazing politician then that reflects on you not her. Im not surprised did you see baroness jenny jones (green) saying yesterday that men should be put on a curfew so that women could feel safe at night. "where do i fit in on that curfew? hmmm fuck human rights ay greens! it does annoy me though, little female in sauna laid out taking up all the room as if she owned the place, 2 big guys squashed up but not asking her to shift, if they had reported her to staff saying they were scared to ask her theyd be laughed at, but if one of them had acted like her and she had reported him......different story! yes i asked her to move... she looked miffed. Story pre covid obvs! | |||
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"Interesting how it’s us writing off debt that’s made Germany so great. They took on east Germany which is those of you old enough to remember was a bankrupt communist state. " it's more accurate to understand the reunification as east germany being cash poor but monumentally asset rich. west germany completely asset stripped the east in a gargantuan privatisation that the conservative and unionist party could only begin to dream of in their wildest acid trip. when the wall came down, chumocracy was rife, especially in west berlin. | |||
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"Interesting how it’s us writing off debt that’s made Germany so great. They took on east Germany which is those of you old enough to remember was a bankrupt communist state. it's more accurate to understand the reunification as east germany being cash poor but monumentally asset rich. west germany completely asset stripped the east in a gargantuan privatisation that the conservative and unionist party could only begin to dream of in their wildest acid trip. when the wall came down, chumocracy was rife, especially in west berlin. " Indeed and most civil organisations such as universities were taken over by West Germans. The East Germans are a little like Wales and England . Not happy with everything but totally fucked without West Germany’s money. Moving the centre of government back to Berlin and as a result the interest in investment has meant a much better life for East Germans though. Despite all it’s faults we still trail way behind so how bad must our faults be? | |||
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"Interesting how it’s us writing off debt that’s made Germany so great. They took on east Germany which is those of you old enough to remember was a bankrupt communist state. it's more accurate to understand the reunification as east germany being cash poor but monumentally asset rich. west germany completely asset stripped the east in a gargantuan privatisation that the conservative and unionist party could only begin to dream of in their wildest acid trip. when the wall came down, chumocracy was rife, especially in west berlin. " a lot of west germans owned land in east germany so they didnt take it on! they reclaimed it. | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. " i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs " What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words. | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words." neither did I mate I always say what I think | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think " | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think "the leavers voted to flush..... when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty! ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in! Guess life just isnt fair lol | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol "Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol
Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. "the thing is not you nor anyone can see the future sadly enough | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol
Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. the thing is not you nor anyone can see the future sadly enough "No, but we've certainly created a bleaker future for young people with brexit. | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. " Well seems as most leave voters were the poor and working class who if they are lucky may earn 18-25 grand a year i doubt the cared or even thought about those who are better off than them being made poorer.when you have fuck all you cant get poorer | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. Well seems as most leave voters were the poor and working class who if they are lucky may earn 18-25 grand a year i doubt the cared or even thought about those who are better off than them being made poorer.when you have fuck all you cant get poorer" Well, they managed to vote for rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer. Do you think austerity effects the top 0.1% of earners. Or does it effect the very people who voted for more of it with brexit and the Tories? How about Rees Mogg and those types who made a shit tonne of cash tanking the value of the pound? | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol
Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. the thing is not you nor anyone can see the future sadly enough "No I can’t but so far from Brexit all I can see is increased costs and no better international deals . So what’s the benefit ? There has to be a direction and I don’t think for one min the leave campaign had a plan . Certainly Boris didn’t as he’s still claiming seamless trade and no extra paperwork FFS Leave was about emotion not factual plans of making our live richer or better. Tax haven status maybe . Hmmm that’s not really going to help the factory worker is it! | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. Well seems as most leave voters were the poor and working class who if they are lucky may earn 18-25 grand a year i doubt the cared or even thought about those who are better off than them being made poorer.when you have fuck all you cant get poorer Well, they managed to vote for rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer. Do you think austerity effects the top 0.1% of earners. Or does it effect the very people who voted for more of it with brexit and the Tories? How about Rees Mogg and those types who made a shit tonne of cash tanking the value of the pound? " Well if they voted brexit and keep voting tory i guess they dont care eh seems as i dont bother voting though i cant be 100% about why the vote the way they do im just guessing.as for rees mogg and those types making a shit load of cash im guessing the majority of peeps would do the same if they were in a position to do so.everyone likes making money for little or no effort | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. Well seems as most leave voters were the poor and working class who if they are lucky may earn 18-25 grand a year i doubt the cared or even thought about those who are better off than them being made poorer.when you have fuck all you cant get poorer Well, they managed to vote for rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer. Do you think austerity effects the top 0.1% of earners. Or does it effect the very people who voted for more of it with brexit and the Tories? How about Rees Mogg and those types who made a shit tonne of cash tanking the value of the pound? Well if they voted brexit and keep voting tory i guess they dont care eh seems as i dont bother voting though i cant be 100% about why the vote the way they do im just guessing.as for rees mogg and those types making a shit load of cash im guessing the majority of peeps would do the same if they were in a position to do so.everyone likes making money for little or no effort" Fair enough. I don't think it's cool to keep voting in people who only there to line their own pockets. My opinion is that the majority of the media is right wing and Tory supporting. So they rarely get held accountable in the public eye. Hence keep fucking us over time and time again. And keep getting voted in. | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. Well seems as most leave voters were the poor and working class who if they are lucky may earn 18-25 grand a year i doubt the cared or even thought about those who are better off than them being made poorer.when you have fuck all you cant get poorer" Yes and the leave campaign fed off that apathy of thinking I’ve not got any better off being in Europe and these foreigners have brought wages down. . They didn’t for one moment think actually which U.K. government has done anything for me? Our problems are self inflicted | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol
Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. the thing is not you nor anyone can see the future sadly enough
No, but we've certainly created a bleaker future for young people with brexit."YOU DONT KNOW THAT!lol | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol
Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. the thing is not you nor anyone can see the future sadly enough
No I can’t but so far from Brexit all I can see is increased costs and no better international deals .
So what’s the benefit ?
There has to be a direction and I don’t think for one min the leave campaign had a plan . Certainly Boris didn’t as he’s still claiming seamless trade and no extra paperwork FFS
Leave was about emotion not factual plans of making our live richer or better.
Tax haven status maybe . Hmmm that’s not really going to help the factory worker is it! "but you where talking about the future of our younger generations and your basing it on a cpl of months of brexit as you just said so far as you can see why not base your predictions after a cpl of yrs of brexit ? Know one knows what the future will be so no point shitting yourself about it it may suprise ya | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol
Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. the thing is not you nor anyone can see the future sadly enough
No I can’t but so far from Brexit all I can see is increased costs and no better international deals .
So what’s the benefit ?
There has to be a direction and I don’t think for one min the leave campaign had a plan . Certainly Boris didn’t as he’s still claiming seamless trade and no extra paperwork FFS
Leave was about emotion not factual plans of making our live richer or better.
Tax haven status maybe . Hmmm that’s not really going to help the factory worker is it! but you where talking about the future of our younger generations and your basing it on a cpl of months of brexit as you just said so far as you can see why not base your predictions after a cpl of yrs of brexit ? Know one knows what the future will be so no point shitting yourself about it it may suprise ya "We left over a year and two months ago. So far. It's gone exactly as expected. There are no signs to suggest there is any good brexit news coming. So we're going on pure belief here, belief that goes against evidence. There are a long list of tangible problems caused by brexit. | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol
Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. the thing is not you nor anyone can see the future sadly enough
No, but we've certainly created a bleaker future for young people with brexit.
YOU DONT KNOW THAT!lol "Is there any evidence to suggest that there will be a positive outcome? And no need to SHOUT. | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol
Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. the thing is not you nor anyone can see the future sadly enough
No, but we've certainly created a bleaker future for young people with brexit.
YOU DONT KNOW THAT!lol
Is there any evidence to suggest that there will be a positive outcome?
And no need to SHOUT. "how about the deals we have signed and trying to sign with other countries isn’t that positive ?and don’t say it won’t replace what we had I’m saying will that be positive for the future not talking about the past and here in Teesside we have the Freeport now that’s very positive up here most remainers didn’t even comment on that wonder why ? | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol
Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. the thing is not you nor anyone can see the future sadly enough
No, but we've certainly created a bleaker future for young people with brexit.
YOU DONT KNOW THAT!lol
Is there any evidence to suggest that there will be a positive outcome?
And no need to SHOUT. how about the deals we have signed and trying to sign with other countries isn’t that positive ?and don’t say it won’t replace what we had I’m saying will that be positive for the future not talking about the past and here in Teesside we have the Freeport now that’s very positive up here most remainers didn’t even comment on that wonder why ?"The deals we signed are all the same as what we had before. There are some deals we don't have. So there is a net loss here. The investment in the freeports is less than the North East received in grants from the EU. The freeports seem like they don't really boost employment, and add a burden on tax payers. Overall, it's not looking like there is any evidence for brexit benefits as a nation. | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol
Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. the thing is not you nor anyone can see the future sadly enough
No I can’t but so far from Brexit all I can see is increased costs and no better international deals .
So what’s the benefit ?
There has to be a direction and I don’t think for one min the leave campaign had a plan . Certainly Boris didn’t as he’s still claiming seamless trade and no extra paperwork FFS
Leave was about emotion not factual plans of making our live richer or better.
Tax haven status maybe . Hmmm that’s not really going to help the factory worker is it! but you where talking about the future of our younger generations and your basing it on a cpl of months of brexit as you just said so far as you can see why not base your predictions after a cpl of yrs of brexit ? Know one knows what the future will be so no point shitting yourself about it it may suprise ya "I’m not basing it on a couple of months . The increased costs to trade are here to stay and that’s a negative don’t you agree? Then if we add duplicating trade deals which don’t gain any financial benefit. So for the foreseeable future, ie the next few years at least we are going to be worse off . That’s unavoidable due to financial facts. Please feel free to tell me how that’s going to change to a benefit. I’m all ears. Not interested in sunny uplands talk I want facts to counter the increase in costs. Where and how will they reduce? | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol
Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. the thing is not you nor anyone can see the future sadly enough
No, but we've certainly created a bleaker future for young people with brexit.
YOU DONT KNOW THAT!lol
Is there any evidence to suggest that there will be a positive outcome?
And no need to SHOUT. how about the deals we have signed and trying to sign with other countries isn’t that positive ?and don’t say it won’t replace what we had I’m saying will that be positive for the future not talking about the past and here in Teesside we have the Freeport now that’s very positive up here most remainers didn’t even comment on that wonder why ?
The deals we signed are all the same as what we had before. There are some deals we don't have. So there is a net loss here.
The investment in the freeports is less than the North East received in grants from the EU.
The freeports seem like they don't really boost employment, and add a burden on tax payers.
Overall, it's not looking like there is any evidence for brexit benefits as a nation."so you don’t think we will get a deal with the USA and other countries amd you say the north east got grants from thee eu that was partly the U.K. tax payers money anyway and you don’t think the Freeport will boost employment well according to the mayor it could be 18000 jobs so one of you is way of with your well informed predictions lol | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol
Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. the thing is not you nor anyone can see the future sadly enough
No I can’t but so far from Brexit all I can see is increased costs and no better international deals .
So what’s the benefit ?
There has to be a direction and I don’t think for one min the leave campaign had a plan . Certainly Boris didn’t as he’s still claiming seamless trade and no extra paperwork FFS
Leave was about emotion not factual plans of making our live richer or better.
Tax haven status maybe . Hmmm that’s not really going to help the factory worker is it! but you where talking about the future of our younger generations and your basing it on a cpl of months of brexit as you just said so far as you can see why not base your predictions after a cpl of yrs of brexit ? Know one knows what the future will be so no point shitting yourself about it it may suprise ya
I’m not basing it on a couple of months .
The increased costs to trade are here to stay and that’s a negative don’t you agree?
Then if we add duplicating trade deals which don’t gain any financial benefit.
So for the foreseeable future, ie the next few years at least we are going to be worse off . That’s unavoidable due to financial facts.
Please feel free to tell me how that’s going to change to a benefit. I’m all ears.
Not interested in sunny uplands talk I want facts to counter the increase in costs. Where and how will they reduce?
"you say the next few yrs atleast well atleast in the next few yrs you will have a better idea about the future | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol
Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. the thing is not you nor anyone can see the future sadly enough
No, but we've certainly created a bleaker future for young people with brexit.
YOU DONT KNOW THAT!lol
Is there any evidence to suggest that there will be a positive outcome?
And no need to SHOUT. how about the deals we have signed and trying to sign with other countries isn’t that positive ?and don’t say it won’t replace what we had I’m saying will that be positive for the future not talking about the past and here in Teesside we have the Freeport now that’s very positive up here most remainers didn’t even comment on that wonder why ?
The deals we signed are all the same as what we had before. There are some deals we don't have. So there is a net loss here.
The investment in the freeports is less than the North East received in grants from the EU.
The freeports seem like they don't really boost employment, and add a burden on tax payers.
Overall, it's not looking like there is any evidence for brexit benefits as a nation.so you don’t think we will get a deal with the USA and other countries amd you say the north east got grants from thee eu that was partly the U.K. tax payers money anyway and you don’t think the Freeport will boost employment well according to the mayor it could be 18000 jobs so one of you is way of with your well informed predictions lol"A deal with the US isn't likely to benefit the UK much at all. It's mainly going to benefit the US corporations, the same ones that pumped cash into the leave campaigns. It's not me that doubts the freeports. https://www.fdiintelligence.com/article/78408 | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument! "it was you who just said Freeport don’t boost employment I quoted the mayors 18000 numbers you totally ignored them because it’s a positive as I see it on fab anyway leavers look for a positive any positive and remainers look for a negative any negative can’t we just accept we are just different people with different t outlooks on life | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument! "It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol
Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. the thing is not you nor anyone can see the future sadly enough
No, but we've certainly created a bleaker future for young people with brexit.
YOU DONT KNOW THAT!lol
Is there any evidence to suggest that there will be a positive outcome?
And no need to SHOUT. how about the deals we have signed and trying to sign with other countries isn’t that positive ?and don’t say it won’t replace what we had I’m saying will that be positive for the future not talking about the past and here in Teesside we have the Freeport now that’s very positive up here most remainers didn’t even comment on that wonder why ?
The deals we signed are all the same as what we had before. There are some deals we don't have. So there is a net loss here.
The investment in the freeports is less than the North East received in grants from the EU.
The freeports seem like they don't really boost employment, and add a burden on tax payers.
Overall, it's not looking like there is any evidence for brexit benefits as a nation.so you don’t think we will get a deal with the USA and other countries amd you say the north east got grants from thee eu that was partly the U.K. tax payers money anyway and you don’t think the Freeport will boost employment well according to the mayor it could be 18000 jobs so one of you is way of with your well informed predictions lol
A deal with the US isn't likely to benefit the UK much at all. It's mainly going to benefit the US corporations, the same ones that pumped cash into the leave campaigns.
It's not me that doubts the freeports.
https://www.fdiintelligence.com/article/78408
"see you confirm what I’m saying a deal with the USA won’t benefit the U.K. much lol you look for the negative straight away it’s just what I said we are just different people lol | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other"best post of the week mate | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol
Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. the thing is not you nor anyone can see the future sadly enough
No I can’t but so far from Brexit all I can see is increased costs and no better international deals .
So what’s the benefit ?
There has to be a direction and I don’t think for one min the leave campaign had a plan . Certainly Boris didn’t as he’s still claiming seamless trade and no extra paperwork FFS
Leave was about emotion not factual plans of making our live richer or better.
Tax haven status maybe . Hmmm that’s not really going to help the factory worker is it! but you where talking about the future of our younger generations and your basing it on a cpl of months of brexit as you just said so far as you can see why not base your predictions after a cpl of yrs of brexit ? Know one knows what the future will be so no point shitting yourself about it it may suprise ya
I’m not basing it on a couple of months .
The increased costs to trade are here to stay and that’s a negative don’t you agree?
Then if we add duplicating trade deals which don’t gain any financial benefit.
So for the foreseeable future, ie the next few years at least we are going to be worse off . That’s unavoidable due to financial facts.
Please feel free to tell me how that’s going to change to a benefit. I’m all ears.
Not interested in sunny uplands talk I want facts to counter the increase in costs. Where and how will they reduce?
you say the next few yrs atleast well atleast in the next few yrs you will have a better idea about the future "I have a total understanding of real costs I don’t want a flimsy guess that you hope it will be fine. Tell me how I’m really want to understand what leads you to believe costs will reduce? There’s been 4 years to formulate a plan. Business that are losing money cut jobs they don’t wait in the hope it will be ok! Remember the bigger earners chose who’s sacked so they keep their cash The big companies just move to where profits are best. Reece Mogg on a small scale to Ireland for example . We’re not a major and we’re moving jobs already due to Brexit. This fingers crossed hope is just not an answer. Brexit is purely based on tax evasion and deceit. | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other"True but it’s costing jobs now! What do you say to those losing their jobs. Lets wait and see maybe?? That will help with putting food on the table so I’m sure they will be reassured. | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
True but it’s costing jobs now! What do you say to those losing their jobs.
Lets wait and see maybe?? That will help with putting food on the table so I’m sure they will be reassured. "wat would i say to them prob what i said to the 25 peeps who lost there jobs at my work earlier this year because of covid wich was i hope you find something soon | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol
Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. the thing is not you nor anyone can see the future sadly enough
No, but we've certainly created a bleaker future for young people with brexit.
YOU DONT KNOW THAT!lol
Is there any evidence to suggest that there will be a positive outcome?
And no need to SHOUT. how about the deals we have signed and trying to sign with other countries isn’t that positive ?and don’t say it won’t replace what we had I’m saying will that be positive for the future not talking about the past and here in Teesside we have the Freeport now that’s very positive up here most remainers didn’t even comment on that wonder why ?
The deals we signed are all the same as what we had before. There are some deals we don't have. So there is a net loss here.
The investment in the freeports is less than the North East received in grants from the EU.
The freeports seem like they don't really boost employment, and add a burden on tax payers.
Overall, it's not looking like there is any evidence for brexit benefits as a nation.so you don’t think we will get a deal with the USA and other countries amd you say the north east got grants from thee eu that was partly the U.K. tax payers money anyway and you don’t think the Freeport will boost employment well according to the mayor it could be 18000 jobs so one of you is way of with your well informed predictions lol
A deal with the US isn't likely to benefit the UK much at all. It's mainly going to benefit the US corporations, the same ones that pumped cash into the leave campaigns.
It's not me that doubts the freeports.
https://www.fdiintelligence.com/article/78408
see you confirm what I’m saying a deal with the USA won’t benefit the U.K. much lol you look for the negative straight away it’s just what I said we are just different people lol"I’d agree with you if you just stated a benefit. There are none being shown. Us drug makers want higher prices in the U.K. now we don’t have the EU patent rules. Big Us pharma want lower food regs. They have dropped tariffs on aerospace . Our involvement with Airbus means it’s not that clear as to how we benefit. Rolls Royce engines possibly but I can’t see that helping a lot with the need for big American engine companies to survive Covid and Boeing’s issues. We are the junior partner with any deal with the US. I’m not confident it’s going to be pretty but like the other deals it won’t get parliamentary scrutiny so we will be stitched up and only find out later. | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other"How are we meant to make any progress or learn anything from this if people still think brexit is a good idea despite everything. Those at the top are laughing their nuts off as us plebs arguing about this. | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
True but it’s costing jobs now! What do you say to those losing their jobs.
Lets wait and see maybe?? That will help with putting food on the table so I’m sure they will be reassured. wat would i say to them prob what i said to the 25 peeps who lost there jobs at my work earlier this year because of covid wich was i hope you find something soon"Covid whilst badly managed is not self inflicted and a chosen route. I’ve made redundancy’s in the U.K. as we’ve had to move jobs to Europe due solely to Brexit . Who do you blame for that? | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
True but it’s costing jobs now! What do you say to those losing their jobs.
Lets wait and see maybe?? That will help with putting food on the table so I’m sure they will be reassured. "like I said leavers remainers just two different types of people you talked about debate and educate I’m sure you don’t mean to be patronising iv spoke to you privately you have got what you have with working hard all yr life and deserve what you have just like most leavers are hard working people grafted all there lives and have what they deserve most people who voted leave are working class people so to keep telling them they fucked up and don’t know the damage they’ve caused but you do is a bit patronising don’t you think | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol
Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. the thing is not you nor anyone can see the future sadly enough
No, but we've certainly created a bleaker future for young people with brexit.
YOU DONT KNOW THAT!lol
Is there any evidence to suggest that there will be a positive outcome?
And no need to SHOUT. how about the deals we have signed and trying to sign with other countries isn’t that positive ?and don’t say it won’t replace what we had I’m saying will that be positive for the future not talking about the past and here in Teesside we have the Freeport now that’s very positive up here most remainers didn’t even comment on that wonder why ?
The deals we signed are all the same as what we had before. There are some deals we don't have. So there is a net loss here.
The investment in the freeports is less than the North East received in grants from the EU.
The freeports seem like they don't really boost employment, and add a burden on tax payers.
Overall, it's not looking like there is any evidence for brexit benefits as a nation.so you don’t think we will get a deal with the USA and other countries amd you say the north east got grants from thee eu that was partly the U.K. tax payers money anyway and you don’t think the Freeport will boost employment well according to the mayor it could be 18000 jobs so one of you is way of with your well informed predictions lol
A deal with the US isn't likely to benefit the UK much at all. It's mainly going to benefit the US corporations, the same ones that pumped cash into the leave campaigns.
It's not me that doubts the freeports.
https://www.fdiintelligence.com/article/78408
see you confirm what I’m saying a deal with the USA won’t benefit the U.K. much lol you look for the negative straight away it’s just what I said we are just different people lol"You're consistently negative about people, and constantly labelling real life as "negative". So I'm not sure why you think people who don't want to lie down and take the shit sandwich are the negative ones. I don't really get where you're coming from with that. | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
How are we meant to make any progress or learn anything from this if people still think brexit is a good idea despite everything.
Those at the top are laughing their nuts off as us plebs arguing about this. "Plebs? Speak for yourself mate.and as for leavers and remainers arguing amongst themselves well stop doing it then.one thing ive noticed about both sides is your all as millitant in your views as the other is | |||
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"That’s it exactly our choice That's the problem though. The choice was made for all of us. If leavers voted to flush only their own money down the toilet. Whatever. But it's all of us who are impacted. well that’s the same with any vote ain’t it the result is for us all lol Absolutely. But when it was as clear cut as one option being good, and one option being shit, it's annoying. In GEs there are usually pros and cons. So it's less annoying. it was only clear cut to the well educated very very clever people but us Lea era are just to dumb to understand the information out there does that make you feel bette mate See, what you've done there is, you've made something up that I haven't said. Then got annoyed about it. i was reading between the lines of I’m wrong what did you really mean then just be honest speak your mind it’s only a swingers site ffs What I said, is what I really mean. I didn't mince my words.neither did I mate I always say what I think
the leavers voted to flush.....
when we joined the eu i got no say, im sure lots on here didnt, but ive been stuck within the eu trade deal for decades, like it or not! Not a vote every ten years or even every twenty!
ironically at last when i do get a vote, weve been voted out, like it or not, most likely by the older generation that voted us in!
Guess life just isnt fair lol
Yes but it’s not their future that’s going to be worse it’s the younger generation sadly. the thing is not you nor anyone can see the future sadly enough
No, but we've certainly created a bleaker future for young people with brexit.
YOU DONT KNOW THAT!lol
Is there any evidence to suggest that there will be a positive outcome?
And no need to SHOUT. how about the deals we have signed and trying to sign with other countries isn’t that positive ?and don’t say it won’t replace what we had I’m saying will that be positive for the future not talking about the past and here in Teesside we have the Freeport now that’s very positive up here most remainers didn’t even comment on that wonder why ?
The deals we signed are all the same as what we had before. There are some deals we don't have. So there is a net loss here.
The investment in the freeports is less than the North East received in grants from the EU.
The freeports seem like they don't really boost employment, and add a burden on tax payers.
Overall, it's not looking like there is any evidence for brexit benefits as a nation.so you don’t think we will get a deal with the USA and other countries amd you say the north east got grants from thee eu that was partly the U.K. tax payers money anyway and you don’t think the Freeport will boost employment well according to the mayor it could be 18000 jobs so one of you is way of with your well informed predictions lol
A deal with the US isn't likely to benefit the UK much at all. It's mainly going to benefit the US corporations, the same ones that pumped cash into the leave campaigns.
It's not me that doubts the freeports.
https://www.fdiintelligence.com/article/78408
see you confirm what I’m saying a deal with the USA won’t benefit the U.K. much lol you look for the negative straight away it’s just what I said we are just different people lol
You're consistently negative about people, and constantly labelling real life as "negative".
So I'm not sure why you think people who don't want to lie down and take the shit sandwich are the negative ones. I don't really get where you're coming from with that."when am I negative about people ?I respect you voted remain never try to change yr mind it’s yr choice iv never used the term educate remainers I have banter take piss sometimes I always try to be positive it’s the way I live my life | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
True but it’s costing jobs now! What do you say to those losing their jobs.
Lets wait and see maybe?? That will help with putting food on the table so I’m sure they will be reassured. like I said leavers remainers just two different types of people you talked about debate and educate I’m sure you don’t mean to be patronising iv spoke to you privately you have got what you have with working hard all yr life and deserve what you have just like most leavers are hard working people grafted all there lives and have what they deserve most people who voted leave are working class people so to keep telling them they fucked up and don’t know the damage they’ve caused but you do is a bit patronising don’t you think "I agree I used the wrong word educate .I should have said inform. Also I agree people work hard on both sides of the debate so it makes it more tragic to see the powers that rule our lives blame the EU bogey man for their own failures over the last 50-60 years. The rich in this country are getting richer and the average worker very much left behind. | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
How are we meant to make any progress or learn anything from this if people still think brexit is a good idea despite everything.
Those at the top are laughing their nuts off as us plebs arguing about this.
Plebs? Speak for yourself mate.and as for leavers and remainers arguing amongst themselves well stop doing it then.one thing ive noticed about both sides is your all as millitant in your views as the other is"Indeed. But I don't think we should all lie down and celebrate the shit sandwich we're being force fed. | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
True but it’s costing jobs now! What do you say to those losing their jobs.
Lets wait and see maybe?? That will help with putting food on the table so I’m sure they will be reassured. like I said leavers remainers just two different types of people you talked about debate and educate I’m sure you don’t mean to be patronising iv spoke to you privately you have got what you have with working hard all yr life and deserve what you have just like most leavers are hard working people grafted all there lives and have what they deserve most people who voted leave are working class people so to keep telling them they fucked up and don’t know the damage they’ve caused but you do is a bit patronising don’t you think
I agree I used the wrong word educate .I should have said inform.
Also I agree people work hard on both sides of the debate so it makes it more tragic to see the powers that rule our lives blame the EU bogey man for their own failures over the last 50-60 years.
The rich in this country are getting richer and the average worker very much left behind.
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
True but it’s costing jobs now! What do you say to those losing their jobs.
Lets wait and see maybe?? That will help with putting food on the table so I’m sure they will be reassured. like I said leavers remainers just two different types of people you talked about debate and educate I’m sure you don’t mean to be patronising iv spoke to you privately you have got what you have with working hard all yr life and deserve what you have just like most leavers are hard working people grafted all there lives and have what they deserve most people who voted leave are working class people so to keep telling them they fucked up and don’t know the damage they’ve caused but you do is a bit patronising don’t you think
I agree I used the wrong word educate .I should have said inform.
Also I agree people work hard on both sides of the debate so it makes it more tragic to see the powers that rule our lives blame the EU bogey man for their own failures over the last 50-60 years.
The rich in this country are getting richer and the average worker very much left behind.
"can you tell me a time in history when the rich have t got richer and the poor poorer as this never happened in the eu ? A lot of people on here make out the bogey man is the U.K. lol | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
How are we meant to make any progress or learn anything from this if people still think brexit is a good idea despite everything.
Those at the top are laughing their nuts off as us plebs arguing about this.
Plebs? Speak for yourself mate.and as for leavers and remainers arguing amongst themselves well stop doing it then.one thing ive noticed about both sides is your all as millitant in your views as the other is
Indeed.
But I don't think we should all lie down and celebrate the shit sandwich we're being force fed."ok then what should we do that is positive then ? | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
How are we meant to make any progress or learn anything from this if people still think brexit is a good idea despite everything.
Those at the top are laughing their nuts off as us plebs arguing about this.
Plebs? Speak for yourself mate.and as for leavers and remainers arguing amongst themselves well stop doing it then.one thing ive noticed about both sides is your all as millitant in your views as the other is
Indeed.
But I don't think we should all lie down and celebrate the shit sandwich we're being force fed.ok then what should we do that is positive then ?"Step 1. Agree what the problems are. Step 2. Do whatever you normally do to push for positive change. Write to your MP. Don't vote for arseholes, attend protests, etc etc. Force the government to work for us, instead of for themselves. | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
How are we meant to make any progress or learn anything from this if people still think brexit is a good idea despite everything.
Those at the top are laughing their nuts off as us plebs arguing about this.
Plebs? Speak for yourself mate.and as for leavers and remainers arguing amongst themselves well stop doing it then.one thing ive noticed about both sides is your all as millitant in your views as the other is
Indeed.
But I don't think we should all lie down and celebrate the shit sandwich we're being force fed."I really dont think you have much choice mate we have left.way i see it your only way back in is do what the leavers done.find a party or start one yourself that for the nxt 20yrs will ask for a vote to rejoin.personaly i think the e.u will either say go fuck yaself britain or yea you can come back but take the euro no rebates and no say on anything like we used to have.would u vote to rejoin under those conditions or you want us back like it was before? | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
How are we meant to make any progress or learn anything from this if people still think brexit is a good idea despite everything.
Those at the top are laughing their nuts off as us plebs arguing about this.
Plebs? Speak for yourself mate.and as for leavers and remainers arguing amongst themselves well stop doing it then.one thing ive noticed about both sides is your all as millitant in your views as the other is
Indeed.
But I don't think we should all lie down and celebrate the shit sandwich we're being force fed.
I really dont think you have much choice mate we have left.way i see it your only way back in is do what the leavers done.find a party or start one yourself that for the nxt 20yrs will ask for a vote to rejoin.personaly i think the e.u will either say go fuck yaself britain or yea you can come back but take the euro no rebates and no say on anything like we used to have.would u vote to rejoin under those conditions or you want us back like it was before?"It's too late for "getting back in". The damage is done. And we'd never be allowed back with the rebates, veto and other benefits. So I agree with you there. The EU ship has sailed. Meanwhile, people still celebrate that we were lied to and fucked over. So what hope is there for any positive change? Fuck knows. | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
How are we meant to make any progress or learn anything from this if people still think brexit is a good idea despite everything.
Those at the top are laughing their nuts off as us plebs arguing about this.
Plebs? Speak for yourself mate.and as for leavers and remainers arguing amongst themselves well stop doing it then.one thing ive noticed about both sides is your all as millitant in your views as the other is
Indeed.
But I don't think we should all lie down and celebrate the shit sandwich we're being force fed.ok then what should we do that is positive then ?
Step 1. Agree what the problems are.
Step 2. Do whatever you normally do to push for positive change. Write to your MP. Don't vote for arseholes, attend protests, etc etc. Force the government to work for us, instead of for themselves. "do you actually attend protests ? | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
How are we meant to make any progress or learn anything from this if people still think brexit is a good idea despite everything.
Those at the top are laughing their nuts off as us plebs arguing about this.
Plebs? Speak for yourself mate.and as for leavers and remainers arguing amongst themselves well stop doing it then.one thing ive noticed about both sides is your all as millitant in your views as the other is
Indeed.
But I don't think we should all lie down and celebrate the shit sandwich we're being force fed.ok then what should we do that is positive then ?
Step 1. Agree what the problems are.
Step 2. Do whatever you normally do to push for positive change. Write to your MP. Don't vote for arseholes, attend protests, etc etc. Force the government to work for us, instead of for themselves. do you actually attend protests ?"Not during lockdown. But otherwise. Hells yeah. Why, is that negative too? | |||
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"everyone in europe is going to die coz they havent taken vaccine, their out put will plummet, other countries are already begging for brit tourists not others the australia/asia trade pact will grow we have direct links with common wealth and india when of the biggest emerging markets slowly will will get most of the fishing waters back, you want to eat fish, its british there are a few positives OR just look for bad outcomes... i never had a pony... "Everyone in Europe dying is a positive?
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
True but it’s costing jobs now! What do you say to those losing their jobs.
Lets wait and see maybe?? That will help with putting food on the table so I’m sure they will be reassured. like I said leavers remainers just two different types of people you talked about debate and educate I’m sure you don’t mean to be patronising iv spoke to you privately you have got what you have with working hard all yr life and deserve what you have just like most leavers are hard working people grafted all there lives and have what they deserve most people who voted leave are working class people so to keep telling them they fucked up and don’t know the damage they’ve caused but you do is a bit patronising don’t you think
I agree I used the wrong word educate .I should have said inform.
Also I agree people work hard on both sides of the debate so it makes it more tragic to see the powers that rule our lives blame the EU bogey man for their own failures over the last 50-60 years.
The rich in this country are getting richer and the average worker very much left behind.
Do you pay your employees over the going rate?"Actually yes we do. We poach good staff for the technical by paying more and the manual workers are paid way over the going rate. We have to as we’re up against multinationals. We’re a good employer. I treat others how I want to be treated. I’ve been at the bottom of the food chain. | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
True but it’s costing jobs now! What do you say to those losing their jobs.
Lets wait and see maybe?? That will help with putting food on the table so I’m sure they will be reassured. like I said leavers remainers just two different types of people you talked about debate and educate I’m sure you don’t mean to be patronising iv spoke to you privately you have got what you have with working hard all yr life and deserve what you have just like most leavers are hard working people grafted all there lives and have what they deserve most people who voted leave are working class people so to keep telling them they fucked up and don’t know the damage they’ve caused but you do is a bit patronising don’t you think
I agree I used the wrong word educate .I should have said inform.
Also I agree people work hard on both sides of the debate so it makes it more tragic to see the powers that rule our lives blame the EU bogey man for their own failures over the last 50-60 years.
The rich in this country are getting richer and the average worker very much left behind.
can you tell me a time in history when the rich have t got richer and the poor poorer as this never happened in the eu ? A lot of people on here make out the bogey man is the U.K. lol"Sad but a fact . Our own governments have shafted us and we take it! | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
True but it’s costing jobs now! What do you say to those losing their jobs.
Lets wait and see maybe?? That will help with putting food on the table so I’m sure they will be reassured. like I said leavers remainers just two different types of people you talked about debate and educate I’m sure you don’t mean to be patronising iv spoke to you privately you have got what you have with working hard all yr life and deserve what you have just like most leavers are hard working people grafted all there lives and have what they deserve most people who voted leave are working class people so to keep telling them they fucked up and don’t know the damage they’ve caused but you do is a bit patronising don’t you think
I agree I used the wrong word educate .I should have said inform.
Also I agree people work hard on both sides of the debate so it makes it more tragic to see the powers that rule our lives blame the EU bogey man for their own failures over the last 50-60 years.
The rich in this country are getting richer and the average worker very much left behind.
can you tell me a time in history when the rich have t got richer and the poor poorer as this never happened in the eu ? A lot of people on here make out the bogey man is the U.K. lol"We have a two party system in the U.K. and they keep power to themselves and the old school system. In Europe there were political parties from all areas of viewpoint and agenda fighting to make a difference for the average working people as well as environmental stuff. Some of those parties were shit some good but the wide range meant everyone had to compromise and there wasn’t one centre of power like we have. It was cumbersome but so is Germany’s system and they seem to be doing a lot better than us. The more I see Proportional Representation the more I think it’s a better fairer way of governing. It’s messy but it takes everyone’s view into account. I was against it years ago but I can see it now! | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
How are we meant to make any progress or learn anything from this if people still think brexit is a good idea despite everything.
Those at the top are laughing their nuts off as us plebs arguing about this.
Plebs? Speak for yourself mate.and as for leavers and remainers arguing amongst themselves well stop doing it then.one thing ive noticed about both sides is your all as millitant in your views as the other is
Indeed.
But I don't think we should all lie down and celebrate the shit sandwich we're being force fed.ok then what should we do that is positive then ?
Step 1. Agree what the problems are.
Step 2. Do whatever you normally do to push for positive change. Write to your MP. Don't vote for arseholes, attend protests, etc etc. Force the government to work for us, instead of for themselves. do you actually attend protests ?
Not during lockdown.
But otherwise. Hells yeah.
Why, is that negative too?"no it’s not a negative why do you ask ? if that’s what you do mate good for you nowt wrong with that | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
How are we meant to make any progress or learn anything from this if people still think brexit is a good idea despite everything.
Those at the top are laughing their nuts off as us plebs arguing about this.
Plebs? Speak for yourself mate.and as for leavers and remainers arguing amongst themselves well stop doing it then.one thing ive noticed about both sides is your all as millitant in your views as the other is
Indeed.
But I don't think we should all lie down and celebrate the shit sandwich we're being force fed.ok then what should we do that is positive then ?
Step 1. Agree what the problems are.
Step 2. Do whatever you normally do to push for positive change. Write to your MP. Don't vote for arseholes, attend protests, etc etc. Force the government to work for us, instead of for themselves. do you actually attend protests ?
Not during lockdown.
But otherwise. Hells yeah.
Why, is that negative too?no it’s not a negative why do you ask ? if that’s what you do mate good for you nowt wrong with that "Yeah, I like to get involved. Sorry for asking the "is that a negative" question, I did not ask that from a place of productive conversation. | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
How are we meant to make any progress or learn anything from this if people still think brexit is a good idea despite everything.
Those at the top are laughing their nuts off as us plebs arguing about this.
Plebs? Speak for yourself mate.and as for leavers and remainers arguing amongst themselves well stop doing it then.one thing ive noticed about both sides is your all as millitant in your views as the other is
Indeed.
But I don't think we should all lie down and celebrate the shit sandwich we're being force fed.ok then what should we do that is positive then ?
Step 1. Agree what the problems are.
Step 2. Do whatever you normally do to push for positive change. Write to your MP. Don't vote for arseholes, attend protests, etc etc. Force the government to work for us, instead of for themselves. do you actually attend protests ?
Not during lockdown.
But otherwise. Hells yeah.
Why, is that negative too?no it’s not a negative why do you ask ? if that’s what you do mate good for you nowt wrong with that
Yeah, I like to get involved.
Sorry for asking the "is that a negative" question, I did not ask that from a place of productive conversation.
"no you where been cocky because I always say remainders are negative it’s ok I do same it’s only banter lol remainers lol | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
How are we meant to make any progress or learn anything from this if people still think brexit is a good idea despite everything.
Those at the top are laughing their nuts off as us plebs arguing about this.
Plebs? Speak for yourself mate.and as for leavers and remainers arguing amongst themselves well stop doing it then.one thing ive noticed about both sides is your all as millitant in your views as the other is
Indeed.
But I don't think we should all lie down and celebrate the shit sandwich we're being force fed.ok then what should we do that is positive then ?
Step 1. Agree what the problems are.
Step 2. Do whatever you normally do to push for positive change. Write to your MP. Don't vote for arseholes, attend protests, etc etc. Force the government to work for us, instead of for themselves. do you actually attend protests ?
Not during lockdown.
But otherwise. Hells yeah.
Why, is that negative too?no it’s not a negative why do you ask ? if that’s what you do mate good for you nowt wrong with that
Yeah, I like to get involved.
Sorry for asking the "is that a negative" question, I did not ask that from a place of productive conversation.
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"everyone in europe is going to die coz they havent taken vaccine, their out put will plummet, other countries are already begging for brit tourists not others the australia/asia trade pact will grow we have direct links with common wealth and india when of the biggest emerging markets slowly will will get most of the fishing waters back, you want to eat fish, its british there are a few positives OR just look for bad outcomes... i never had a pony...
Everyone in Europe dying is a positive?
Has your account been hacked by Capt Lobster? "Your the one crying all the time you aren't in Europe lol so yes it's positive you aren't there lol boo hoo isnt life fair, lol clearly not as you only see dark lol | |||
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"Here. I'll help you out. Here are the benefits of brexit. https://www.investopedia.com/news/brexit-winners-and-losers/ Pretty piss poor, especially when you compare to all the problems caused by brexit. It seems ridiculous that were still arguing how shit brexit it. People will hang on to the brexit fantasy for as long as they live. No matter how shit it is. How did we even get back to this silly argument!
It seems pretty ridiculous people are still arguing about brexit full stop.its happend now no matter how much you hate it its not gona change anything.all i see is those who didnt want to leave telling people how bad its going to get and those who wanted out saying how great its going to be.no one knows how shit or great it gona be.we could end up fighting each other for food and shelter or it could turn out fine.reakon itsgona take a few years to see one way or the other
True but it’s costing jobs now! What do you say to those losing their jobs.
Lets wait and see maybe?? That will help with putting food on the table so I’m sure they will be reassured. like I said leavers remainers just two different types of people you talked about debate and educate I’m sure you don’t mean to be patronising iv spoke to you privately you have got what you have with working hard all yr life and deserve what you have just like most leavers are hard working people grafted all there lives and have what they deserve most people who voted leave are working class people so to keep telling them they fucked up and don’t know the damage they’ve caused but you do is a bit patronising don’t you think
I agree I used the wrong word educate .I should have said inform.
Also I agree people work hard on both sides of the debate so it makes it more tragic to see the powers that rule our lives blame the EU bogey man for their own failures over the last 50-60 years.
The rich in this country are getting richer and the average worker very much left behind.
can you tell me a time in history when the rich have t got richer and the poor poorer as this never happened in the eu ? A lot of people on here make out the bogey man is the U.K. lol
We have a two party system in the U.K. and they keep power to themselves and the old school system.
In Europe there were political parties from all areas of viewpoint and agenda fighting to make a difference for the average working people as well as environmental stuff. Some of those parties were shit some good but the wide range meant everyone had to compromise and there wasn’t one centre of power like we have.
It was cumbersome but so is Germany’s system and they seem to be doing a lot better than us.
The more I see Proportional Representation the more I think it’s a better fairer way of governing.
It’s messy but it takes everyone’s view into account. I was against it years ago but I can see it now!
"I think your right in that the PR system is fairer. Some countries it works but others change governments at a hell of a rate as not strong enough. The Greens and even the old UKIP would have gotten more seats in general elections had we used PR but if its a better representation of the country then could be a positive | |||
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"“ German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union crashed to its worst results in two regional elections since World War II, as voters vented their frustration over the government’s handling of the pandemic and the slow pace of vaccinations.” /Bloomberg Maybe a good time for her to be leaving... " The gmnt handles something badly and gets mauled in the elections...those Germans and their wacky ways. | |||
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"“ German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union crashed to its worst results in two regional elections since World War II, as voters vented their frustration over the government’s handling of the pandemic and the slow pace of vaccinations.” /Bloomberg Maybe a good time for her to be leaving... The gmnt handles something badly and gets mauled in the elections...those Germans and their wacky ways." So Merkel must have been poor before the last election and obviously by that token and your logic the Tories must have been great before the last election and must be doing ok now as they and boris are higher in the polls than labour and captain hindsite | |||
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"“ German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union crashed to its worst results in two regional elections since World War II, as voters vented their frustration over the government’s handling of the pandemic and the slow pace of vaccinations.” /Bloomberg Maybe a good time for her to be leaving... The gmnt handles something badly and gets mauled in the elections...those Germans and their wacky ways. British people will also have the chance to show their feelings with their votes in elections to come. I think some are due in May." Local elections traditionally tell us very little | |||
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"Interesting how some are picking fault with Germany and yet their society seems better organised and their politicians represent the people far more. When did the greens in this country ever come up in a general political chat. It’s because their votes in an election never count in this country but in Germany they do. Interesting how it’s us writing off debt that’s made Germany so great. They took on east Germany which is those of you old enough to remember was a bankrupt communist state. ( although not as bad as most). It was in our interests to demolish the Warsaw Pact countries as we couldn’t afford the arms race either. The U.K. trails in Germany’s wake financially and the whataboutary doesn’t stop that from being fact. Envy comes to mind. Anyway if you’re too churlish to allow yourself to recognise an amazing politician then that reflects on you not her. " I will give your comments as much credit as they deserve. Your knowledge of thing’s beyond your tv screen & left of centre MSM shows you to be the type of person you are x now repeat the left mantra of deny & lie until you believe it to be the truth. How about this listen to people who know the truth, it is out there for you to find too you x honestly you really are not a puppet of the left x. | |||
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Tories must have a bat phone and when ever you criticise the floppy haired buffoon they Come rushing to his defence."Glad to see you agree with my analysis, after all just following your logic. | |||
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Tories must have a bat phone and when ever you criticise the floppy haired buffoon they Come rushing to his defence.
Glad to see you agree with my analysis, after all just following your logic."Obviously | |||
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"“ German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union crashed to its worst results in two regional elections since World War II, as voters vented their frustration over the government’s handling of the pandemic and the slow pace of vaccinations.” /Bloomberg Maybe a good time for her to be leaving... The gmnt handles something badly and gets mauled in the elections...those Germans and their wacky ways. British people will also have the chance to show their feelings with their votes in elections to come. I think some are due in May." Local elections in May? I’m voting Brexit | |||
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"“ German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union crashed to its worst results in two regional elections since World War II, as voters vented their frustration over the government’s handling of the pandemic and the slow pace of vaccinations.” /Bloomberg Maybe a good time for her to be leaving... The gmnt handles something badly and gets mauled in the elections...those Germans and their wacky ways. British people will also have the chance to show their feelings with their votes in elections to come. I think some are due in May. Local elections in May? I’m voting Brexit "How are you going to do that?? | |||
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"“ German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union crashed to its worst results in two regional elections since World War II, as voters vented their frustration over the government’s handling of the pandemic and the slow pace of vaccinations.” /Bloomberg Maybe a good time for her to be leaving... The gmnt handles something badly and gets mauled in the elections...those Germans and their wacky ways. British people will also have the chance to show their feelings with their votes in elections to come. I think some are due in May. Local elections in May? I’m voting Brexit "Why are you not voting for the Lobster party? | |||
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"“ German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union crashed to its worst results in two regional elections since World War II, as voters vented their frustration over the government’s handling of the pandemic and the slow pace of vaccinations.” /Bloomberg Maybe a good time for her to be leaving... The gmnt handles something badly and gets mauled in the elections...those Germans and their wacky ways. British people will also have the chance to show their feelings with their votes in elections to come. I think some are due in May. Local elections in May? I’m voting Brexit
How are you going to do that??"He has a time machine. | |||
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"“ German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union crashed to its worst results in two regional elections since World War II, as voters vented their frustration over the government’s handling of the pandemic and the slow pace of vaccinations.” /Bloomberg Maybe a good time for her to be leaving... " It would be interesting to see how the Tories would have faired in the last 3 elections with FPP . Would only getting 35% of the popular vote be considered a catastrophe ? I’m not sure of the percentage so feel free to correct me. It dies however show the similarities. | |||
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"“ German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union crashed to its worst results in two regional elections since World War II, as voters vented their frustration over the government’s handling of the pandemic and the slow pace of vaccinations.” /Bloomberg Maybe a good time for her to be leaving... The gmnt handles something badly and gets mauled in the elections...those Germans and their wacky ways. British people will also have the chance to show their feelings with their votes in elections to come. I think some are due in May. Local elections in May? I’m voting Brexit
How are you going to do that??
He has a time machine."Remember he lives in the age of Empire so it will obviously make sense. | |||
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