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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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Totally pointless and with literally zero benefits for ordinary people - and we are still in a secondary transition period until the end of the month lol.
The big lie was that Brexit would be good for us all - “no downside, only a considerable upside.” What absolute bollocks,
A waste of money, a waste of energy, a waste of time and a tremendous loss of international status - for absolutely no discernible benefit whatsoever. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You must have missed my thread yesterday about foie gras being banned now we’ve left Brussels "
So you for all the business closures, job losses, ruined economy, extra red tape, just so foir gras could be banned, which we could have done anyway.
Good hustle. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"Totally pointless and with literally zero benefits for ordinary people - and we are still in a secondary transition period until the end of the month lol.
The big lie was that Brexit would be good for us all - “no downside, only a considerable upside.” What absolute bollocks,
A waste of money, a waste of energy, a waste of time and a tremendous loss of international status - for absolutely no discernible benefit whatsoever."
errr Blue passports ?  |
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"Totally pointless and with literally zero benefits for ordinary people - and we are still in a secondary transition period until the end of the month lol.
The big lie was that Brexit would be good for us all - “no downside, only a considerable upside.” What absolute bollocks,
A waste of money, a waste of energy, a waste of time and a tremendous loss of international status - for absolutely no discernible benefit whatsoever.errr Blue passports ? "
...made in the EU, what a farce  |
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"Totally pointless and with literally zero benefits for ordinary people - and we are still in a secondary transition period until the end of the month lol.
The big lie was that Brexit would be good for us all - “no downside, only a considerable upside.” What absolute bollocks,
A waste of money, a waste of energy, a waste of time and a tremendous loss of international status - for absolutely no discernible benefit whatsoever."
nothing new here then same shit different day lol |
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"We have only just left weeks ago , give it time , Britain will become GREAT BRITAIN again "
You do know Great Britain is the name of the island we live on? It had nothing to do with our International standing. Which is dropping like a rock since we were stupid enough to leave the EU |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We have only just left weeks ago , give it time , Britain will become GREAT BRITAIN again
You do know Great Britain is the name of the island we live on? It had nothing to do with our International standing. Which is dropping like a rock since we were stupid enough to leave the EU"
And we left the EU on 31st Jan 2020. Well over a year ago. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We have only just left weeks ago , give it time , Britain will become GREAT BRITAIN again
You do know Great Britain is the name of the island we live on? It had nothing to do with our International standing. Which is dropping like a rock since we were stupid enough to leave the EU
And we left the EU on 31st Jan 2020. Well over a year ago."
Yeah but we have banned fois gras, which was one of the main reasons people voted for Brexit . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We have only just left weeks ago , give it time , Britain will become GREAT BRITAIN again
when and how?"
We have always been called Great Britain, the poster has obviously got confused  |
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"We have only just left weeks ago , give it time , Britain will become GREAT BRITAIN again
when and how?
We have always been called Great Britain, the poster has obviously got confused "
Great Britain refers to the largest island of the Britsh Isles as in Gran Canaria of the Canary Isles and not of any self importance |
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"Totally pointless and with literally zero benefits for ordinary people - and we are still in a secondary transition period until the end of the month lol.
The big lie was that Brexit would be good for us all - “no downside, only a considerable upside.” What absolute bollocks,
A waste of money, a waste of energy, a waste of time and a tremendous loss of international status - for absolutely no discernible benefit whatsoever."
Have you got any actual content to discuss or are you just ranting?
If it's just a rant not based on anything, no problem, we will just carry on laughing at all the salty tears. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Totally pointless and with literally zero benefits for ordinary people - and we are still in a secondary transition period until the end of the month lol.
The big lie was that Brexit would be good for us all - “no downside, only a considerable upside.” What absolute bollocks,
A waste of money, a waste of energy, a waste of time and a tremendous loss of international status - for absolutely no discernible benefit whatsoever.
Have you got any actual content to discuss or are you just ranting?
If it's just a rant not based on anything, no problem, we will just carry on laughing at all the salty tears. "
If the reality of brexit is a "rant" to you, feel free to keep your head buried in the sand.
Try not to belittle people who do pay attention to what's going on in the world around them though. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Totally pointless and with literally zero benefits for ordinary people - and we are still in a secondary transition period until the end of the month lol.
The big lie was that Brexit would be good for us all - “no downside, only a considerable upside.” What absolute bollocks,
A waste of money, a waste of energy, a waste of time and a tremendous loss of international status - for absolutely no discernible benefit whatsoever."
Someone got out of bed in a bad mood this morning 
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Totally pointless and with literally zero benefits for ordinary people - and we are still in a secondary transition period until the end of the month lol.
The big lie was that Brexit would be good for us all - “no downside, only a considerable upside.” What absolute bollocks,
A waste of money, a waste of energy, a waste of time and a tremendous loss of international status - for absolutely no discernible benefit whatsoever."
This is true, and there is more than one factor to it. You have the politicians blatantly lying repeatedly, bolstered by a complicit press. Then there is the electorate that approve of the dishonesty, ignoring reality like ostriches with their heads in the sand. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you. 
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?"
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? "
Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months? "
My chairs still haven’t arrived, that is all . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months? "
I thought the benefits were supposed to be instant. "There is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside".
Or are we now saying that's bollocks, and that brexit is, in fact, the pile of shit we knew it would be back in 2016? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
My chairs still haven’t arrived, that is all . "
I thought you said they had the other day. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months? "
Mainly in the delivery of goods and shopping. Supermarkets here haven't fully adjusted to the new normal. Amazon globally had stopped delivering to NI, with the exception of Amazon UK. More ebay sellers no longer ship to NI. Many UK businesses have also stopped shipping to NI.
Some politicians have started beating the war drums again. There is a growing sense of unease here, things we were taking for granted might not always be there. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
I thought the benefits were supposed to be instant. "There is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside".
Or are we now saying that's bollocks, and that brexit is, in fact, the pile of shit we knew it would be back in 2016?"
If you thought that mate no wonder you are so disappointed most of us are more pragmatic but as i said before i imagine its because of the instant gratification culture we have these days.  |
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over a year ago
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
My chairs still haven’t arrived, that is all . I thought you said they had the other day. "
No, I said they were sorted, the paperwork has been completed, the chairs still haven’t arrived |
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
My chairs still haven’t arrived, that is all . I thought you said they had the other day.
No, I said they were sorted, the paperwork has been completed, the chairs still haven’t arrived "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
I thought the benefits were supposed to be instant. "There is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside".
Or are we now saying that's bollocks, and that brexit is, in fact, the pile of shit we knew it would be back in 2016?"
The new Brexit slogan is that ‘ it is shit but it isn’t as shit as some people predicted’ |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
My chairs still haven’t arrived, that is all . I thought you said they had the other day.
No, I said they were sorted, the paperwork has been completed, the chairs still haven’t arrived
phew "
Rest easy |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
Mainly in the delivery of goods and shopping. Supermarkets here haven't fully adjusted to the new normal. Amazon globally had stopped delivering to NI, with the exception of Amazon UK. More ebay sellers no longer ship to NI. Many UK businesses have also stopped shipping to NI.
Some politicians have started beating the war drums again. There is a growing sense of unease here, things we were taking for granted might not always be there."
I can understand the people of NI being pissed off to be honest. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
I thought the benefits were supposed to be instant. "There is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside".
Or are we now saying that's bollocks, and that brexit is, in fact, the pile of shit we knew it would be back in 2016?If you thought that mate no wonder you are so disappointed most of us are more pragmatic but as i said before i imagine its because of the instant gratification culture we have these days. "
I was expecting it to be a bag of shit. What we have now, is what I was expecting, give or take.
Brexit was sold to leavers as a magic fix that would make everything better, no worse.
Just pointing that out.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
My chairs still haven’t arrived, that is all . I thought you said they had the other day.
No, I said they were sorted, the paperwork has been completed, the chairs still haven’t arrived
phew
Rest easy "
Great news so no down side from leaving to you then.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
My chairs still haven’t arrived, that is all . I thought you said they had the other day.
No, I said they were sorted, the paperwork has been completed, the chairs still haven’t arrived
phew
Rest easy Great news so no down side from leaving to you then. "
They should arrived early January |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
I thought the benefits were supposed to be instant. "There is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside".
Or are we now saying that's bollocks, and that brexit is, in fact, the pile of shit we knew it would be back in 2016?If you thought that mate no wonder you are so disappointed most of us are more pragmatic but as i said before i imagine its because of the instant gratification culture we have these days.
I was expecting it to be a bag of shit. What we have now, is what I was expecting, give or take.
Brexit was sold to leavers as a magic fix that would make everything better, no worse.
Just pointing that out.
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How has it affected you personally so far? |
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
My chairs still haven’t arrived, that is all . I thought you said they had the other day.
No, I said they were sorted, the paperwork has been completed, the chairs still haven’t arrived
phew
Rest easy Great news so no down side from leaving to you then.
They should arrived early January "
My work colleague got his brand new BMW delivered at the beginning of the month.
Maybe I could of asked that your chairs to be put in the boot for you! |
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
My chairs still haven’t arrived, that is all . I thought you said they had the other day.
No, I said they were sorted, the paperwork has been completed, the chairs still haven’t arrived
phew
Rest easy "
hahaha I had already posted a reply, now deleted |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
My chairs still haven’t arrived, that is all . I thought you said they had the other day.
No, I said they were sorted, the paperwork has been completed, the chairs still haven’t arrived
phew
Rest easy Great news so no down side from leaving to you then.
They should arrived early January
My work colleague got his brand new BMW delivered at the beginning of the month.
Maybe I could of asked that your chairs to be put in the boot for you! "
They wouldn’t have fitted, but thanks for the offer |
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"I think we should have a sweep on when they will turn up. "
If the paperwork is done and accepted and an import licence is in place, then ultimately it will be down to method of shipping... worst case scenario the chairs are on a consolidated wagon with another consignment that doesn't have correct paperwork, in which case the best bet would be on Christmas 
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?"
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over a year ago
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"I think we should have a sweep on when they will turn up.
If the paperwork is done and accepted and an import licence is in place, then ultimately it will be down to method of shipping... worst case scenario the chairs are on a consolidated wagon with another consignment that doesn't have correct paperwork, in which case the best bet would be on Christmas
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Do you mind, I can read all this, it isn’t a laughing matter, |
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months? "
Was that message on the bus underneath the £350m a week going to the NHS? |
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"I think we should have a sweep on when they will turn up.
If the paperwork is done and accepted and an import licence is in place, then ultimately it will be down to method of shipping... worst case scenario the chairs are on a consolidated wagon with another consignment that doesn't have correct paperwork, in which case the best bet would be on Christmas
Do you mind, I can read all this, it isn’t a laughing matter, "
I reckon the Custom Officers are using them in Calais. If they are not going to check the lorries they need to sit somewhere.! |
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"I think we should have a sweep on when they will turn up.
If the paperwork is done and accepted and an import licence is in place, then ultimately it will be down to method of shipping... worst case scenario the chairs are on a consolidated wagon with another consignment that doesn't have correct paperwork, in which case the best bet would be on Christmas
Do you mind, I can read all this, it isn’t a laughing matter,
I reckon the Custom Officers are using them in Calais. If they are not going to check the lorries they need to sit somewhere.! "
lol ... sorry Fab... you have to have a little chuckle at that reply. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think we should have a sweep on when they will turn up.
If the paperwork is done and accepted and an import licence is in place, then ultimately it will be down to method of shipping... worst case scenario the chairs are on a consolidated wagon with another consignment that doesn't have correct paperwork, in which case the best bet would be on Christmas
Do you mind, I can read all this, it isn’t a laughing matter,
I reckon the Custom Officers are using them in Calais. If they are not going to check the lorries they need to sit somewhere.!
lol ... sorry Fab... you have to have a little chuckle at that reply. "
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
I thought the benefits were supposed to be instant. "There is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside".
Or are we now saying that's bollocks, and that brexit is, in fact, the pile of shit we knew it would be back in 2016?If you thought that mate no wonder you are so disappointed most of us are more pragmatic but as i said before i imagine its because of the instant gratification culture we have these days. "
sky is another one who was wanting an apology of leave voters a few weeks back fuck knows what these guys are going to do with apolagys tho maybe print them off and frame them lol |
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over a year ago
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
I thought the benefits were supposed to be instant. "There is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside".
Or are we now saying that's bollocks, and that brexit is, in fact, the pile of shit we knew it would be back in 2016?If you thought that mate no wonder you are so disappointed most of us are more pragmatic but as i said before i imagine its because of the instant gratification culture we have these days. sky is another one who was wanting an apology of leave voters a few weeks back fuck knows what these guys are going to do with apolagys tho maybe print them off and frame them lol "
Do you ever take any notice of some of Chris’s threads? I don’t remember you calling him out for asking for remain voters to apologies |
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
I thought the benefits were supposed to be instant. "There is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside".
Or are we now saying that's bollocks, and that brexit is, in fact, the pile of shit we knew it would be back in 2016?If you thought that mate no wonder you are so disappointed most of us are more pragmatic but as i said before i imagine its because of the instant gratification culture we have these days. sky is another one who was wanting an apology of leave voters a few weeks back fuck knows what these guys are going to do with apolagys tho maybe print them off and frame them lol
Do you ever take any notice of some of Chris’s threads? I don’t remember you calling him out for asking for remain voters to apologies "
iv never seen them mate |
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
I thought the benefits were supposed to be instant. "There is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside".
Or are we now saying that's bollocks, and that brexit is, in fact, the pile of shit we knew it would be back in 2016?If you thought that mate no wonder you are so disappointed most of us are more pragmatic but as i said before i imagine its because of the instant gratification culture we have these days. sky is another one who was wanting an apology of leave voters a few weeks back fuck knows what these guys are going to do with apolagys tho maybe print them off and frame them lol
Do you ever take any notice of some of Chris’s threads? I don’t remember you calling him out for asking for remain voters to apologies iv never seen them mate "
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
I thought the benefits were supposed to be instant. "There is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside".
Or are we now saying that's bollocks, and that brexit is, in fact, the pile of shit we knew it would be back in 2016?If you thought that mate no wonder you are so disappointed most of us are more pragmatic but as i said before i imagine its because of the instant gratification culture we have these days. sky is another one who was wanting an apology of leave voters a few weeks back fuck knows what these guys are going to do with apolagys tho maybe print them off and frame them lol
Do you ever take any notice of some of Chris’s threads? I don’t remember you calling him out for asking for remain voters to apologies "
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"This is the problem these days everyone expects instant gratification,if you couldn't see that years of integration would take a while to unravel i feel sorry for you.
Ever tried getting divorced,did that all get sorted after a couple of months?
That is a fair comment, we did leave 14 months ago though. When are you expecting the benefits to kick in? Ive no idea not my job and have no inside info, what impact has leaving had on you over the last couple of months?
I thought the benefits were supposed to be instant. "There is no downside to brexit, only a considerable upside".
Or are we now saying that's bollocks, and that brexit is, in fact, the pile of shit we knew it would be back in 2016?If you thought that mate no wonder you are so disappointed most of us are more pragmatic but as i said before i imagine its because of the instant gratification culture we have these days. sky is another one who was wanting an apology of leave voters a few weeks back fuck knows what these guys are going to do with apolagys tho maybe print them off and frame them lol
Do you ever take any notice of some of Chris’s threads? I don’t remember you calling him out for asking for remain voters to apologies
Not convinced you pay any attention to my brilliant answers either tbh "
Your correct, I took no notice |
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"We have only just left weeks ago , give it time , Britain will become GREAT BRITAIN again
when and how?"
When Britain starts making keyboards that only have Caps Lock for the letter that make up those 2 words
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
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The Brexit benefits of the replacement for the Erasmus study exchange scheme will not fund tuition or travel costs, it has emerged – and the living allowance has been slashed.
Boris Johnson promised last year that there was “no threat” to the hugely-popular Erasmus programme, but his Brexit trade deal then pulled the plug on it.
It might be easier to keep tabs on the lies Boris has not told over Brexit rather than the ones he has....
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"The Brexit benefits of the replacement for the Erasmus study exchange scheme will not fund tuition or travel costs, it has emerged – and the living allowance has been slashed.
Boris Johnson promised last year that there was “no threat” to the hugely-popular Erasmus programme, but his Brexit trade deal then pulled the plug on it.
It might be easier to keep tabs on the lies Boris has not told over Brexit rather than the ones he has....
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Somebody will be along shortly to spin this into being a good thing . |
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"The Brexit benefits of the replacement for the Erasmus study exchange scheme will not fund tuition or travel costs, it has emerged – and the living allowance has been slashed.
Boris Johnson promised last year that there was “no threat” to the hugely-popular Erasmus programme, but his Brexit trade deal then pulled the plug on it.
It might be easier to keep tabs on the lies Boris has not told over Brexit rather than the ones he has....
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Erasmus was rubbish why on earth should the taxpayer contribute to students having a jolly at European universities not one of which is in the top fifty worldwide. Ridiculous. |
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"The Brexit benefits of the replacement for the Erasmus study exchange scheme will not fund tuition or travel costs, it has emerged – and the living allowance has been slashed.
Boris Johnson promised last year that there was “no threat” to the hugely-popular Erasmus programme, but his Brexit trade deal then pulled the plug on it.
It might be easier to keep tabs on the lies Boris has not told over Brexit rather than the ones he has....
Erasmus was rubbish why on earth should the taxpayer contribute to students having a jolly at European universities not one of which is in the top fifty worldwide. Ridiculous. "
Bingo, we have a winner |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"The Brexit benefits of the replacement for the Erasmus study exchange scheme will not fund tuition or travel costs, it has emerged – and the living allowance has been slashed.
Boris Johnson promised last year that there was “no threat” to the hugely-popular Erasmus programme, but his Brexit trade deal then pulled the plug on it.
It might be easier to keep tabs on the lies Boris has not told over Brexit rather than the ones he has....
Erasmus was rubbish why on earth should the taxpayer contribute to students having a jolly at European universities not one of which is in the top fifty worldwide. Ridiculous. "
The Erasmus programme allows for learning and understanding of the host country in addition to experiencing a different culture. Its perfectly understandable how a supremacist such as yourself would be opposed to such a opportunity. |
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"The Brexit benefits of the replacement for the Erasmus study exchange scheme will not fund tuition or travel costs, it has emerged – and the living allowance has been slashed.
Boris Johnson promised last year that there was “no threat” to the hugely-popular Erasmus programme, but his Brexit trade deal then pulled the plug on it.
It might be easier to keep tabs on the lies Boris has not told over Brexit rather than the ones he has....
Erasmus was rubbish why on earth should the taxpayer contribute to students having a jolly at European universities not one of which is in the top fifty worldwide. Ridiculous.
The Erasmus programme allows for learning and understanding of the host country in addition to experiencing a different culture. Its perfectly understandable how a supremacist such as yourself would be opposed to such a opportunity."
Exactly, have a jolly in a foreign city while at a crap University at taxpayer expense. Marvellous. You wanna do that, pay for it yourself. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"The Brexit benefits of the replacement for the Erasmus study exchange scheme will not fund tuition or travel costs, it has emerged – and the living allowance has been slashed.
Boris Johnson promised last year that there was “no threat” to the hugely-popular Erasmus programme, but his Brexit trade deal then pulled the plug on it.
It might be easier to keep tabs on the lies Boris has not told over Brexit rather than the ones he has....
Erasmus was rubbish why on earth should the taxpayer contribute to students having a jolly at European universities not one of which is in the top fifty worldwide. Ridiculous.
The Erasmus programme allows for learning and understanding of the host country in addition to experiencing a different culture. Its perfectly understandable how a supremacist such as yourself would be opposed to such a opportunity.
Exactly, have a jolly in a foreign city while at a crap University at taxpayer expense. Marvellous. You wanna do that, pay for it yourself. "
Only a fool would think of the Erasmus programme as a jolly. And well done for denying future generations the opportunity to study abroad. |
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"The Brexit benefits of the replacement for the Erasmus study exchange scheme will not fund tuition or travel costs, it has emerged – and the living allowance has been slashed.
Boris Johnson promised last year that there was “no threat” to the hugely-popular Erasmus programme, but his Brexit trade deal then pulled the plug on it.
It might be easier to keep tabs on the lies Boris has not told over Brexit rather than the ones he has....
Erasmus was rubbish why on earth should the taxpayer contribute to students having a jolly at European universities not one of which is in the top fifty worldwide. Ridiculous.
The Erasmus programme allows for learning and understanding of the host country in addition to experiencing a different culture. Its perfectly understandable how a supremacist such as yourself would be opposed to such a opportunity.
Exactly, have a jolly in a foreign city while at a crap University at taxpayer expense. Marvellous. You wanna do that, pay for it yourself.
Only a fool would think of the Erasmus programme as a jolly. And well done for denying future generations the opportunity to study abroad."
Educational opportunities should only be for the ultra wealthy.
I think that's the message here. |
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"The Brexit benefits of the replacement for the Erasmus study exchange scheme will not fund tuition or travel costs, it has emerged – and the living allowance has been slashed.
Boris Johnson promised last year that there was “no threat” to the hugely-popular Erasmus programme, but his Brexit trade deal then pulled the plug on it.
It might be easier to keep tabs on the lies Boris has not told over Brexit rather than the ones he has....
Erasmus was rubbish why on earth should the taxpayer contribute to students having a jolly at European universities not one of which is in the top fifty worldwide. Ridiculous.
The Erasmus programme allows for learning and understanding of the host country in addition to experiencing a different culture. Its perfectly understandable how a supremacist such as yourself would be opposed to such a opportunity.
Exactly, have a jolly in a foreign city while at a crap University at taxpayer expense. Marvellous. You wanna do that, pay for it yourself.
Only a fool would think of the Erasmus programme as a jolly. And well done for denying future generations the opportunity to study abroad.
Educational opportunities should only be for the ultra wealthy.
I think that's the message here."
Why some people think and so openly support taking away other people's rights and or opportunities is such a good thing is truly depressing really. |
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"The Brexit benefits of the replacement for the Erasmus study exchange scheme will not fund tuition or travel costs, it has emerged – and the living allowance has been slashed.
Boris Johnson promised last year that there was “no threat” to the hugely-popular Erasmus programme, but his Brexit trade deal then pulled the plug on it.
It might be easier to keep tabs on the lies Boris has not told over Brexit rather than the ones he has....
Erasmus was rubbish why on earth should the taxpayer contribute to students having a jolly at European universities not one of which is in the top fifty worldwide. Ridiculous.
The Erasmus programme allows for learning and understanding of the host country in addition to experiencing a different culture. Its perfectly understandable how a supremacist such as yourself would be opposed to such a opportunity.
Exactly, have a jolly in a foreign city while at a crap University at taxpayer expense. Marvellous. You wanna do that, pay for it yourself. "
Boris said the new Turing scheme is better than Erasmus, so you will be paying |
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"The Brexit benefits of the replacement for the Erasmus study exchange scheme will not fund tuition or travel costs, it has emerged – and the living allowance has been slashed.
Boris Johnson promised last year that there was “no threat” to the hugely-popular Erasmus programme, but his Brexit trade deal then pulled the plug on it.
It might be easier to keep tabs on the lies Boris has not told over Brexit rather than the ones he has....
Erasmus was rubbish why on earth should the taxpayer contribute to students having a jolly at European universities not one of which is in the top fifty worldwide. Ridiculous.
The Erasmus programme allows for learning and understanding of the host country in addition to experiencing a different culture. Its perfectly understandable how a supremacist such as yourself would be opposed to such a opportunity.
Exactly, have a jolly in a foreign city while at a crap University at taxpayer expense. Marvellous. You wanna do that, pay for it yourself.
Only a fool would think of the Erasmus programme as a jolly. And well done for denying future generations the opportunity to study abroad.
Educational opportunities should only be for the ultra wealthy.
I think that's the message here."
And in your mind what do you think the background of the students abusing erasmus was?
Nigel from Dudley or Nigella from Chelsea?
Utterly deluded |
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"The Brexit benefits of the replacement for the Erasmus study exchange scheme will not fund tuition or travel costs, it has emerged – and the living allowance has been slashed.
Boris Johnson promised last year that there was “no threat” to the hugely-popular Erasmus programme, but his Brexit trade deal then pulled the plug on it.
It might be easier to keep tabs on the lies Boris has not told over Brexit rather than the ones he has....
Erasmus was rubbish why on earth should the taxpayer contribute to students having a jolly at European universities not one of which is in the top fifty worldwide. Ridiculous.
The Erasmus programme allows for learning and understanding of the host country in addition to experiencing a different culture. Its perfectly understandable how a supremacist such as yourself would be opposed to such a opportunity.
Exactly, have a jolly in a foreign city while at a crap University at taxpayer expense. Marvellous. You wanna do that, pay for it yourself.
Only a fool would think of the Erasmus programme as a jolly. And well done for denying future generations the opportunity to study abroad.
Educational opportunities should only be for the ultra wealthy.
I think that's the message here.
Why some people think and so openly support taking away other people's rights and or opportunities is such a good thing is truly depressing really. "
It is very sad, I guess these people have not had much joy in their lives , they get pleasure in denying others pleasure . |
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"The Brexit benefits of the replacement for the Erasmus study exchange scheme will not fund tuition or travel costs, it has emerged – and the living allowance has been slashed.
Boris Johnson promised last year that there was “no threat” to the hugely-popular Erasmus programme, but his Brexit trade deal then pulled the plug on it.
It might be easier to keep tabs on the lies Boris has not told over Brexit rather than the ones he has....
Erasmus was rubbish why on earth should the taxpayer contribute to students having a jolly at European universities not one of which is in the top fifty worldwide. Ridiculous.
The Erasmus programme allows for learning and understanding of the host country in addition to experiencing a different culture. Its perfectly understandable how a supremacist such as yourself would be opposed to such a opportunity.
Exactly, have a jolly in a foreign city while at a crap University at taxpayer expense. Marvellous. You wanna do that, pay for it yourself.
Only a fool would think of the Erasmus programme as a jolly. And well done for denying future generations the opportunity to study abroad.
Educational opportunities should only be for the ultra wealthy.
I think that's the message here.
And in your mind what do you think the background of the students abusing erasmus was?
Nigel from Dudley or Nigella from Chelsea?
Utterly deluded "
In my mind, we shouldn't take away support for students from non-rich families, based on some misinformation you read in the Daily Express/Mail/2000AD. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The Brexit benefits of the replacement for the Erasmus study exchange scheme will not fund tuition or travel costs, it has emerged – and the living allowance has been slashed.
Boris Johnson promised last year that there was “no threat” to the hugely-popular Erasmus programme, but his Brexit trade deal then pulled the plug on it.
It might be easier to keep tabs on the lies Boris has not told over Brexit rather than the ones he has....
Erasmus was rubbish why on earth should the taxpayer contribute to students having a jolly at European universities not one of which is in the top fifty worldwide. Ridiculous.
The Erasmus programme allows for learning and understanding of the host country in addition to experiencing a different culture. Its perfectly understandable how a supremacist such as yourself would be opposed to such a opportunity.
Exactly, have a jolly in a foreign city while at a crap University at taxpayer expense. Marvellous. You wanna do that, pay for it yourself.
Only a fool would think of the Erasmus programme as a jolly. And well done for denying future generations the opportunity to study abroad.
Educational opportunities should only be for the ultra wealthy.
I think that's the message here.
And in your mind what do you think the background of the students abusing erasmus was?
Nigel from Dudley or Nigella from Chelsea?
Utterly deluded
In my mind, we shouldn't take away support for students from non-rich families, based on some misinformation you read in the Daily Express/Mail/2000AD."
If you read it the poorest are the ones who will benefit from the scheme not every tom dick or harry. |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
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"The Brexit benefits of the replacement for the Erasmus study exchange scheme will not fund tuition or travel costs, it has emerged – and the living allowance has been slashed.
Boris Johnson promised last year that there was “no threat” to the hugely-popular Erasmus programme, but his Brexit trade deal then pulled the plug on it.
It might be easier to keep tabs on the lies Boris has not told over Brexit rather than the ones he has....
Erasmus was rubbish why on earth should the taxpayer contribute to students having a jolly at European universities not one of which is in the top fifty worldwide. Ridiculous.
The Erasmus programme allows for learning and understanding of the host country in addition to experiencing a different culture. Its perfectly understandable how a supremacist such as yourself would be opposed to such a opportunity.
Exactly, have a jolly in a foreign city while at a crap University at taxpayer expense. Marvellous. You wanna do that, pay for it yourself.
Only a fool would think of the Erasmus programme as a jolly. And well done for denying future generations the opportunity to study abroad.
Educational opportunities should only be for the ultra wealthy.
I think that's the message here.
And in your mind what do you think the background of the students abusing erasmus was?
Nigel from Dudley or Nigella from Chelsea?
Utterly deluded
In my mind, we shouldn't take away support for students from non-rich families, based on some misinformation you read in the Daily Express/Mail/2000AD.If you read it the poorest are the ones who will benefit from the scheme not every tom dick or harry. "
So reducing the availability and affordability to study abroad is somehow a good thing....
Hardly is a beacon of equality and inclusiveness.... |
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"The Brexit benefits of the replacement for the Erasmus study exchange scheme will not fund tuition or travel costs, it has emerged – and the living allowance has been slashed.
Boris Johnson promised last year that there was “no threat” to the hugely-popular Erasmus programme, but his Brexit trade deal then pulled the plug on it.
It might be easier to keep tabs on the lies Boris has not told over Brexit rather than the ones he has....
Erasmus was rubbish why on earth should the taxpayer contribute to students having a jolly at European universities not one of which is in the top fifty worldwide. Ridiculous.
The Erasmus programme allows for learning and understanding of the host country in addition to experiencing a different culture. Its perfectly understandable how a supremacist such as yourself would be opposed to such a opportunity.
Exactly, have a jolly in a foreign city while at a crap University at taxpayer expense. Marvellous. You wanna do that, pay for it yourself.
Only a fool would think of the Erasmus programme as a jolly. And well done for denying future generations the opportunity to study abroad.
Educational opportunities should only be for the ultra wealthy.
I think that's the message here.
And in your mind what do you think the background of the students abusing erasmus was?
Nigel from Dudley or Nigella from Chelsea?
Utterly deluded
In my mind, we shouldn't take away support for students from non-rich families, based on some misinformation you read in the Daily Express/Mail/2000AD.If you read it the poorest are the ones who will benefit from the scheme not every tom dick or harry.
So reducing the availability and affordability to study abroad is somehow a good thing....
Hardly is a beacon of equality and inclusiveness...."
At the core, Brexit is about transferring more wealth and power from the people, to those already at the top.
Restricting educational opportunities for less well off people, fits right in with the overall brexit mission statement. |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?"
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families? |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?"
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university. |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university. "
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion. |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion."
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich. |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich."
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it. |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it. "
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees. |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees."
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population. |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population. "
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it. |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population. "
Sounds like you’ve seen the light and accepted that Erasmus only benefitted European students coming here for a decent education at a good university like Oxford or Durham, not the other way round.
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it."
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too. |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too."
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study. |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it. "
Not so if your on a semi decent wage as a parent your child will get a loan, if on a low wage they will get maximum grant x
Work part time & gain real life experiences outside of the uni bubble, how many students live in your town by the way? % will do x |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study."
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc. |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it. Not so if your on a semi decent wage as a parent your child will get a loan, if on a low wage they will get maximum grant x
Work part time & gain real life experiences outside of the uni bubble, how many students live in your town by the way? % will do x"
I know you weren't asking me but I'm surrounded by students as live less than a mile from the uni here |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc."
The only way student loans would affect future credit like mortgages is through affordability checks. The loans themselves will not affect you getting a mortgage as they don't appear on your credit file. |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?"
I know of three. A relative, a neighbours daughter and a work colleague’s daughter. One went to Rotterdam (and stayed). One went to Brussels (and stayed) and one went to Valencia and now works for the UN. |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it. Not so if your on a semi decent wage as a parent your child will get a loan, if on a low wage they will get maximum grant x
Work part time & gain real life experiences outside of the uni bubble, how many students live in your town by the way? % will do x
I know you weren't asking me but I'm surrounded by students as live less than a mile from the uni here "
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
The only way student loans would affect future credit like mortgages is through affordability checks. The loans themselves will not affect you getting a mortgage as they don't appear on your credit file."
Interesting.
Good discussion. |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it. Not so if your on a semi decent wage as a parent your child will get a loan, if on a low wage they will get maximum grant x
Work part time & gain real life experiences outside of the uni bubble, how many students live in your town by the way? % will do x"
No idea why you're asking me the % of students who live here.
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
I know of three. A relative, a neighbours daughter and a work colleague’s daughter. One went to Rotterdam (and stayed). One went to Brussels (and stayed) and one went to Valencia and now works for the UN."
So the UK tax payer paid for their university education abroad and got no benefit from them at all?
Scrap the scheme and don't replace it. I'd rather see the money spent on something the UK gets a benefit from. |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
The only way student loans would affect future credit like mortgages is through affordability checks. The loans themselves will not affect you getting a mortgage as they don't appear on your credit file.
Interesting.
Good discussion."
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
I know of three. A relative, a neighbours daughter and a work colleague’s daughter. One went to Rotterdam (and stayed). One went to Brussels (and stayed) and one went to Valencia and now works for the UN.
So the UK tax payer paid for their university education abroad and got no benefit from them at all?
Scrap the scheme and don't replace it. I'd rather see the money spent on something the UK gets a benefit from."
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it. Not so if your on a semi decent wage as a parent your child will get a loan, if on a low wage they will get maximum grant x
Work part time & gain real life experiences outside of the uni bubble, how many students live in your town by the way? % will do x
I know you weren't asking me but I'm surrounded by students as live less than a mile from the uni here
Every night is party night in your area then!"
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it. Not so if your on a semi decent wage as a parent your child will get a loan, if on a low wage they will get maximum grant x
Work part time & gain real life experiences outside of the uni bubble, how many students live in your town by the way? % will do x
I know you weren't asking me but I'm surrounded by students as live less than a mile from the uni here
Every night is party night in your area then!
Pretty much, I choose to live here though so can't complain too much "
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it. Not so if your on a semi decent wage as a parent your child will get a loan, if on a low wage they will get maximum grant x
Work part time & gain real life experiences outside of the uni bubble, how many students live in your town by the way? % will do x
No idea why you're asking me the % of students who live here.
I've not even the foggiest of ideas. "
I take it you have been to university then?
Most students benefit from gaining real life experience by working amongst others who don’t alway share the group think & closed minds of campus life, the fact they may not wish to build up personal debt by earning tax free wages & learning responsibility. Yes the loans & grants are there for the tuition fees the rent & food, but the nights out the gigs festivals & protests are their personal choice to build debt. X |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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We were in it years & we’ve been out it weeks & people complaining fuck ups have happened like it’s some sort of surprise.
I see it like owning a old car you use everyday. You’re used to it, it’s foibles, the drivers leccy window doesn’t work, the stitching on the bolster on the drivers seat has come undone, for the last few years the radios been stuck on fcking classic FM so you fall asleep at night humming the sodding Lark Ascending & it’s been using more fuel for the same journey & you’ve been having to top up the oil between services that you haven’t had to do before.
But you know it, you like it & it’s foibles but it’s emptying your wallet on a regular basis just to get you back & forward to where you need to go, it never breaks down though so that’s good.
Then Jurgen next door says he can fix your car better than you’ll ever remember it, he’ll change it if you keep it, you’ll get more mpg out of it, but Jurgen is the guy who services it for you so you don’t quite know whether to trust him as after all it’s deteriorated markedly under his watch.
Or you can pay more, try something different?A new car!!! Higher initial outlay, probably better on fuel so what you save in fuel helps the initial purchase or monthly pcp payment, it doesn’t use oil either so another saving. But it’s a new car, they can have issues too & more likely that some jealous pos will scratch it so that might be an unexpected expense.
Which would be the better option? Well the thing is you’ll never going to know because by doing one thing you change the other forever, we can’t even look at the EU now & say “Look what we could....” because it’s different for us & its different for the EU
Whining about it changes nothing, achieves nothing, adds nothing.
I’ll reserve my judgement on success/failure/status quo until the first fifty thousand miles are done.
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it. Not so if your on a semi decent wage as a parent your child will get a loan, if on a low wage they will get maximum grant x
Work part time & gain real life experiences outside of the uni bubble, how many students live in your town by the way? % will do x
No idea why you're asking me the % of students who live here.
I've not even the foggiest of ideas. I take it you have been to university then?
Most students benefit from gaining real life experience by working amongst others who don’t alway share the group think & closed minds of campus life, the fact they may not wish to build up personal debt by earning tax free wages & learning responsibility. Yes the loans & grants are there for the tuition fees the rent & food, but the nights out the gigs festivals & protests are their personal choice to build debt. X"
I live in a city with two universities.
I was lucky enough to go back when the tuition was paid for, and I received grants to live. I didn't live on campus. Worked evenings, and weekends, and all times we were on "holidays".
I'm not sure why you're bringing my personal experience into this. Things have changed since then.
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"We were in it years & we’ve been out it weeks & people complaining fuck ups have happened like it’s some sort of surprise.
I see it like owning a old car you use everyday. You’re used to it, it’s foibles, the drivers leccy window doesn’t work, the stitching on the bolster on the drivers seat has come undone, for the last few years the radios been stuck on fcking classic FM so you fall asleep at night humming the sodding Lark Ascending & it’s been using more fuel for the same journey & you’ve been having to top up the oil between services that you haven’t had to do before.
But you know it, you like it & it’s foibles but it’s emptying your wallet on a regular basis just to get you back & forward to where you need to go, it never breaks down though so that’s good.
Then Jurgen next door says he can fix your car better than you’ll ever remember it, he’ll change it if you keep it, you’ll get more mpg out of it, but Jurgen is the guy who services it for you so you don’t quite know whether to trust him as after all it’s deteriorated markedly under his watch.
Or you can pay more, try something different?A new car!!! Higher initial outlay, probably better on fuel so what you save in fuel helps the initial purchase or monthly pcp payment, it doesn’t use oil either so another saving. But it’s a new car, they can have issues too & more likely that some jealous pos will scratch it so that might be an unexpected expense.
Which would be the better option? Well the thing is you’ll never going to know because by doing one thing you change the other forever, we can’t even look at the EU now & say “Look what we could....” because it’s different for us & its different for the EU
Whining about it changes nothing, achieves nothing, adds nothing.
I’ll reserve my judgement on success/failure/status quo until the first fifty thousand miles are done.
S"
We've been out of the EU for a year and a couple of months. |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
I know of three. A relative, a neighbours daughter and a work colleague’s daughter. One went to Rotterdam (and stayed). One went to Brussels (and stayed) and one went to Valencia and now works for the UN.
So the UK tax payer paid for their university education abroad and got no benefit from them at all?
Scrap the scheme and don't replace it. I'd rather see the money spent on something the UK gets a benefit from."
What about the EU students who came here, stayed and now contribute to our society?
Presumably that is bad too?
Brits should here and foreigners should stay in their own countries. Is that how it should be? Reduce social mobility, prevent travel, limit education. All for the sake of an idiotic ideology that Britain is somehow better... |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
West Wales |
"We were in it years & we’ve been out it weeks & people complaining fuck ups have happened like it’s some sort of surprise.
I see it like owning a old car you use everyday. You’re used to it, it’s foibles, the drivers leccy window doesn’t work, the stitching on the bolster on the drivers seat has come undone, for the last few years the radios been stuck on fcking classic FM so you fall asleep at night humming the sodding Lark Ascending & it’s been using more fuel for the same journey & you’ve been having to top up the oil between services that you haven’t had to do before.
But you know it, you like it & it’s foibles but it’s emptying your wallet on a regular basis just to get you back & forward to where you need to go, it never breaks down though so that’s good.
Then Jurgen next door says he can fix your car better than you’ll ever remember it, he’ll change it if you keep it, you’ll get more mpg out of it, but Jurgen is the guy who services it for you so you don’t quite know whether to trust him as after all it’s deteriorated markedly under his watch.
Or you can pay more, try something different?A new car!!! Higher initial outlay, probably better on fuel so what you save in fuel helps the initial purchase or monthly pcp payment, it doesn’t use oil either so another saving. But it’s a new car, they can have issues too & more likely that some jealous pos will scratch it so that might be an unexpected expense.
Which would be the better option? Well the thing is you’ll never going to know because by doing one thing you change the other forever, we can’t even look at the EU now & say “Look what we could....” because it’s different for us & its different for the EU
Whining about it changes nothing, achieves nothing, adds nothing.
I’ll reserve my judgement on success/failure/status quo until the first fifty thousand miles are done.
S
We've been out of the EU for a year and a couple of months."
Seeing as naff all happened in the first year to stop anyones movement & the movement of goods either way I’d say it started on 31st January when we actually left & the crap at the ports started. Up to that point unless you happened to want to move abroad nothing really changed.
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"We were in it years & we’ve been out it weeks & people complaining fuck ups have happened like it’s some sort of surprise.
I see it like owning a old car you use everyday. You’re used to it, it’s foibles, the drivers leccy window doesn’t work, the stitching on the bolster on the drivers seat has come undone, for the last few years the radios been stuck on fcking classic FM so you fall asleep at night humming the sodding Lark Ascending & it’s been using more fuel for the same journey & you’ve been having to top up the oil between services that you haven’t had to do before.
But you know it, you like it & it’s foibles but it’s emptying your wallet on a regular basis just to get you back & forward to where you need to go, it never breaks down though so that’s good.
Then Jurgen next door says he can fix your car better than you’ll ever remember it, he’ll change it if you keep it, you’ll get more mpg out of it, but Jurgen is the guy who services it for you so you don’t quite know whether to trust him as after all it’s deteriorated markedly under his watch.
Or you can pay more, try something different?A new car!!! Higher initial outlay, probably better on fuel so what you save in fuel helps the initial purchase or monthly pcp payment, it doesn’t use oil either so another saving. But it’s a new car, they can have issues too & more likely that some jealous pos will scratch it so that might be an unexpected expense.
Which would be the better option? Well the thing is you’ll never going to know because by doing one thing you change the other forever, we can’t even look at the EU now & say “Look what we could....” because it’s different for us & its different for the EU
Whining about it changes nothing, achieves nothing, adds nothing.
I’ll reserve my judgement on success/failure/status quo until the first fifty thousand miles are done.
S
We've been out of the EU for a year and a couple of months.
Seeing as naff all happened in the first year to stop anyones movement & the movement of goods either way I’d say it started on 31st January when we actually left & the crap at the ports started. Up to that point unless you happened to want to move abroad nothing really changed.
S"
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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"We were in it years & we’ve been out it weeks & people complaining fuck ups have happened like it’s some sort of surprise.
I see it like owning a old car you use everyday. You’re used to it, it’s foibles, the drivers leccy window doesn’t work, the stitching on the bolster on the drivers seat has come undone, for the last few years the radios been stuck on fcking classic FM so you fall asleep at night humming the sodding Lark Ascending & it’s been using more fuel for the same journey & you’ve been having to top up the oil between services that you haven’t had to do before.
But you know it, you like it & it’s foibles but it’s emptying your wallet on a regular basis just to get you back & forward to where you need to go, it never breaks down though so that’s good.
Then Jurgen next door says he can fix your car better than you’ll ever remember it, he’ll change it if you keep it, you’ll get more mpg out of it, but Jurgen is the guy who services it for you so you don’t quite know whether to trust him as after all it’s deteriorated markedly under his watch.
Or you can pay more, try something different?A new car!!! Higher initial outlay, probably better on fuel so what you save in fuel helps the initial purchase or monthly pcp payment, it doesn’t use oil either so another saving. But it’s a new car, they can have issues too & more likely that some jealous pos will scratch it so that might be an unexpected expense.
Which would be the better option? Well the thing is you’ll never going to know because by doing one thing you change the other forever, we can’t even look at the EU now & say “Look what we could....” because it’s different for us & its different for the EU
Whining about it changes nothing, achieves nothing, adds nothing.
I’ll reserve my judgement on success/failure/status quo until the first fifty thousand miles are done.
S
We've been out of the EU for a year and a couple of months.
Seeing as naff all happened in the first year to stop anyones movement & the movement of goods either way I’d say it started on 31st January when we actually left & the crap at the ports started. Up to that point unless you happened to want to move abroad nothing really changed.
S
Yeah, so things were bad, and have definitely gotten worse since the transition period finished. "
I’m old enough to remember when we joined though, lots said the same then. When a vote goes 52/48 whatever it was then for every person that says it’s good they’ll be one that says it’s bad.
I will add though that mid Jan the Euro was 1.12 & was going to bomb at the end of the month & it’s now 1.17 touched 1.18 briefly today. A Belgian parts supplier to Audi are opening a 850,000sqm facility in Suffolk & Nissan despite what they said before are not leaving the UK.
So i’ll still wait & see for now.
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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"We were in it years & we’ve been out it weeks & people complaining fuck ups have happened like it’s some sort of surprise.
I see it like owning a old car you use everyday. You’re used to it, it’s foibles, the drivers leccy window doesn’t work, the stitching on the bolster on the drivers seat has come undone, for the last few years the radios been stuck on fcking classic FM so you fall asleep at night humming the sodding Lark Ascending & it’s been using more fuel for the same journey & you’ve been having to top up the oil between services that you haven’t had to do before.
But you know it, you like it & it’s foibles but it’s emptying your wallet on a regular basis just to get you back & forward to where you need to go, it never breaks down though so that’s good.
Then Jurgen next door says he can fix your car better than you’ll ever remember it, he’ll change it if you keep it, you’ll get more mpg out of it, but Jurgen is the guy who services it for you so you don’t quite know whether to trust him as after all it’s deteriorated markedly under his watch.
Or you can pay more, try something different?A new car!!! Higher initial outlay, probably better on fuel so what you save in fuel helps the initial purchase or monthly pcp payment, it doesn’t use oil either so another saving. But it’s a new car, they can have issues too & more likely that some jealous pos will scratch it so that might be an unexpected expense.
Which would be the better option? Well the thing is you’ll never going to know because by doing one thing you change the other forever, we can’t even look at the EU now & say “Look what we could....” because it’s different for us & its different for the EU
Whining about it changes nothing, achieves nothing, adds nothing.
I’ll reserve my judgement on success/failure/status quo until the first fifty thousand miles are done.
S
We've been out of the EU for a year and a couple of months.
Seeing as naff all happened in the first year to stop anyones movement & the movement of goods either way I’d say it started on 31st January when we actually left & the crap at the ports started. Up to that point unless you happened to want to move abroad nothing really changed.
S
Yeah, so things were bad, and have definitely gotten worse since the transition period finished.
I’m old enough to remember when we joined though, lots said the same then. When a vote goes 52/48 whatever it was then for every person that says it’s good they’ll be one that says it’s bad.
I will add though that mid Jan the £ was 1.12 & was going to bomb at the end of the month & it’s now 1.17 touched 1.18 briefly today. A Belgian parts supplier to Audi are opening a 850,000sqm facility in Suffolk & Nissan despite what they said before are not leaving the UK.
So i’ll still wait & see for now.
S"
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
I know of three. A relative, a neighbours daughter and a work colleague’s daughter. One went to Rotterdam (and stayed). One went to Brussels (and stayed) and one went to Valencia and now works for the UN.
So the UK tax payer paid for their university education abroad and got no benefit from them at all?
Scrap the scheme and don't replace it. I'd rather see the money spent on something the UK gets a benefit from.
What about the EU students who came here, stayed and now contribute to our society?
Presumably that is bad too?
Brits should here and foreigners should stay in their own countries. Is that how it should be? Reduce social mobility, prevent travel, limit education. All for the sake of an idiotic ideology that Britain is somehow better..."
Don't try to implie stuff I never said. If students want ago abroad for university they can. Just don't expect the UK tax payers to foot the bill.
If the EU want to pay for student to go to university here that's fine as well.
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc."
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today. |
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By *ild_oatsMan
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today."
Regardless of the merits or not of the current student loan scheme vs the old student grant system.
The point is that not being part of the Erasmus scheme and having it replaced by a something that is at best second rate limits educational opportunities for all students in higher education.
The ability to live and study and understand other’s cultures first hand only helps to gain a greater perspective and adds to greater analytical thinking and knowledge.
You don’t get this by sitting in your bedroom trawling the internet and not ever leaving your home county. |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
Regardless of the merits or not of the current student loan scheme vs the old student grant system.
The point is that not being part of the Erasmus scheme and having it replaced by a something that is at best second rate limits educational opportunities for all students in higher education.
The ability to live and study and understand other’s cultures first hand only helps to gain a greater perspective and adds to greater analytical thinking and knowledge.
You don’t get this by sitting in your bedroom trawling the internet and not ever leaving your home county."
You’ve been shown in detail why that is not the case.
Whether you choose to use that information or not is upto you. I talk with professors about this sort of thing. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"We were in it years & we’ve been out it weeks & people complaining fuck ups have happened like it’s some sort of surprise.
I see it like owning a old car you use everyday. You’re used to it, it’s foibles, the drivers leccy window doesn’t work, the stitching on the bolster on the drivers seat has come undone, for the last few years the radios been stuck on fcking classic FM so you fall asleep at night humming the sodding Lark Ascending & it’s been using more fuel for the same journey & you’ve been having to top up the oil between services that you haven’t had to do before.
But you know it, you like it & it’s foibles but it’s emptying your wallet on a regular basis just to get you back & forward to where you need to go, it never breaks down though so that’s good.
Then Jurgen next door says he can fix your car better than you’ll ever remember it, he’ll change it if you keep it, you’ll get more mpg out of it, but Jurgen is the guy who services it for you so you don’t quite know whether to trust him as after all it’s deteriorated markedly under his watch.
Or you can pay more, try something different?A new car!!! Higher initial outlay, probably better on fuel so what you save in fuel helps the initial purchase or monthly pcp payment, it doesn’t use oil either so another saving. But it’s a new car, they can have issues too & more likely that some jealous pos will scratch it so that might be an unexpected expense.
Which would be the better option? Well the thing is you’ll never going to know because by doing one thing you change the other forever, we can’t even look at the EU now & say “Look what we could....” because it’s different for us & its different for the EU
Whining about it changes nothing, achieves nothing, adds nothing.
I’ll reserve my judgement on success/failure/status quo until the first fifty thousand miles are done.
S"
That’s the worst analogy ever
Your missing the point that if your costs are increasing and your income isn’t then the choice isn’t there in the first place. You will probably end up getting the bus.
It’s not an either or, it’s the reality of increased costs and paperwork for business, that are here and happening so choices are, do we put prices up or do we lose margin.
I’ll give you a different perspective.
If you have a 20% pay cut you have choices. You can get rid of the spare car , cancel Sky, stop eating out or you can ignore the facts and carry on as normal choosing to ignore your reality and get behind with your payments.
Then after a while you get a knock at the door from the bailiffs and he’s making the choice for you by repossessing your car and taking the tv away to pay your debts.
It’s not that things may be different its that things are different and it’s costing more now! |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today."
You’re correct that aren’t considered credit in the sense of a credit card or phone contract etc. However they are taken into account when you apply for a mortgage and the question will be asked on that application regarding liabilities and outgoings. Your offer is based on your affordability. Having a student loan affects your ability to pay and therefore may affect the amount offered by the mortgage lender.
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
You’re correct that aren’t considered credit in the sense of a credit card or phone contract etc. However they are taken into account when you apply for a mortgage and the question will be asked on that application regarding liabilities and outgoings. Your offer is based on your affordability. Having a student loan affects your ability to pay and therefore may affect the amount offered by the mortgage lender.
"
No, in practice it makes no difference to the affordability of a mortgage as it is only the a fraction of the interest being considered, not any notional debt figure. Its one less beer a month. |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
the land of saints & sinners |
"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
Regardless of the merits or not of the current student loan scheme vs the old student grant system.
The point is that not being part of the Erasmus scheme and having it replaced by a something that is at best second rate limits educational opportunities for all students in higher education.
The ability to live and study and understand other’s cultures first hand only helps to gain a greater perspective and adds to greater analytical thinking and knowledge.
You don’t get this by sitting in your bedroom trawling the internet and not ever leaving your home county.
You’ve been shown in detail why that is not the case.
Whether you choose to use that information or not is upto you. I talk with professors about this sort of thing. "
Actually you never proved this fallacy of yours. You may very well talk to professors but it is still no substitute to actually having then first hand educational experience of living and studying in that culture.
It’s like you can read all you like about climbing the Eiger but never really know what it is really like until you have done it yourself.
The saying “Travel broadens the mind” is still very much true.... though we can now add a extra bit...... “whilst never leaving your home county narrows the mind” |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
Regardless of the merits or not of the current student loan scheme vs the old student grant system.
The point is that not being part of the Erasmus scheme and having it replaced by a something that is at best second rate limits educational opportunities for all students in higher education.
The ability to live and study and understand other’s cultures first hand only helps to gain a greater perspective and adds to greater analytical thinking and knowledge.
You don’t get this by sitting in your bedroom trawling the internet and not ever leaving your home county.
You’ve been shown in detail why that is not the case.
Whether you choose to use that information or not is upto you. I talk with professors about this sort of thing.
Actually you never proved this fallacy of yours. You may very well talk to professors but it is still no substitute to actually having then first hand educational experience of living and studying in that culture.
It’s like you can read all you like about climbing the Eiger but never really know what it is really like until you have done it yourself.
The saying “Travel broadens the mind” is still very much true.... though we can now add a extra bit...... “whilst never leaving your home county narrows the mind”"
I'm not stopping anyone doing it if they think it's got some value beyond going on a three year piss up.
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
the land of saints & sinners |
"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
Regardless of the merits or not of the current student loan scheme vs the old student grant system.
The point is that not being part of the Erasmus scheme and having it replaced by a something that is at best second rate limits educational opportunities for all students in higher education.
The ability to live and study and understand other’s cultures first hand only helps to gain a greater perspective and adds to greater analytical thinking and knowledge.
You don’t get this by sitting in your bedroom trawling the internet and not ever leaving your home county.
You’ve been shown in detail why that is not the case.
Whether you choose to use that information or not is upto you. I talk with professors about this sort of thing.
Actually you never proved this fallacy of yours. You may very well talk to professors but it is still no substitute to actually having then first hand educational experience of living and studying in that culture.
It’s like you can read all you like about climbing the Eiger but never really know what it is really like until you have done it yourself.
The saying “Travel broadens the mind” is still very much true.... though we can now add a extra bit...... “whilst never leaving your home county narrows the mind”
I'm not stopping anyone doing it if they think it's got some value beyond going on a three year piss up.
But I'm not paying for it. "
If you think three years study at university either here in the UK or abroad is a piss up. You really have no idea about the requirements of a degree course.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
You’re correct that aren’t considered credit in the sense of a credit card or phone contract etc. However they are taken into account when you apply for a mortgage and the question will be asked on that application regarding liabilities and outgoings. Your offer is based on your affordability. Having a student loan affects your ability to pay and therefore may affect the amount offered by the mortgage lender.
No, in practice it makes no difference to the affordability of a mortgage as it is only the a fraction of the interest being considered, not any notional debt figure. Its one less beer a month. "
If it made no difference it would not be a line in the form. Mortgage lenders don’t tend to ask irrelevant questions when lending money.
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
Regardless of the merits or not of the current student loan scheme vs the old student grant system.
The point is that not being part of the Erasmus scheme and having it replaced by a something that is at best second rate limits educational opportunities for all students in higher education.
The ability to live and study and understand other’s cultures first hand only helps to gain a greater perspective and adds to greater analytical thinking and knowledge.
You don’t get this by sitting in your bedroom trawling the internet and not ever leaving your home county.
You’ve been shown in detail why that is not the case.
Whether you choose to use that information or not is upto you. I talk with professors about this sort of thing.
Actually you never proved this fallacy of yours. You may very well talk to professors but it is still no substitute to actually having then first hand educational experience of living and studying in that culture.
It’s like you can read all you like about climbing the Eiger but never really know what it is really like until you have done it yourself.
The saying “Travel broadens the mind” is still very much true.... though we can now add a extra bit...... “whilst never leaving your home county narrows the mind”
I'm not stopping anyone doing it if they think it's got some value beyond going on a three year piss up.
But I'm not paying for it. "
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
You’re correct that aren’t considered credit in the sense of a credit card or phone contract etc. However they are taken into account when you apply for a mortgage and the question will be asked on that application regarding liabilities and outgoings. Your offer is based on your affordability. Having a student loan affects your ability to pay and therefore may affect the amount offered by the mortgage lender.
No, in practice it makes no difference to the affordability of a mortgage as it is only the a fraction of the interest being considered, not any notional debt figure. Its one less beer a month.
If it made no difference it would not be a line in the form. Mortgage lenders don’t tend to ask irrelevant questions when lending money.
Check with your economics professors ."
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
Regardless of the merits or not of the current student loan scheme vs the old student grant system.
The point is that not being part of the Erasmus scheme and having it replaced by a something that is at best second rate limits educational opportunities for all students in higher education.
The ability to live and study and understand other’s cultures first hand only helps to gain a greater perspective and adds to greater analytical thinking and knowledge.
You don’t get this by sitting in your bedroom trawling the internet and not ever leaving your home county.
You’ve been shown in detail why that is not the case.
Whether you choose to use that information or not is upto you. I talk with professors about this sort of thing.
Actually you never proved this fallacy of yours. You may very well talk to professors but it is still no substitute to actually having then first hand educational experience of living and studying in that culture.
It’s like you can read all you like about climbing the Eiger but never really know what it is really like until you have done it yourself.
The saying “Travel broadens the mind” is still very much true.... though we can now add a extra bit...... “whilst never leaving your home county narrows the mind”
I'm not stopping anyone doing it if they think it's got some value beyond going on a three year piss up.
But I'm not paying for it.
If you think three years study at university either here in the UK or abroad is a piss up. You really have no idea about the requirements of a degree course.
When was the last time you went to university?"
Not one European University in the top 50 in the World. I could take a dopey surf bum from California and he could probably cope with the level of "education" on offer. |
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
Regardless of the merits or not of the current student loan scheme vs the old student grant system.
The point is that not being part of the Erasmus scheme and having it replaced by a something that is at best second rate limits educational opportunities for all students in higher education.
The ability to live and study and understand other’s cultures first hand only helps to gain a greater perspective and adds to greater analytical thinking and knowledge.
You don’t get this by sitting in your bedroom trawling the internet and not ever leaving your home county.
You’ve been shown in detail why that is not the case.
Whether you choose to use that information or not is upto you. I talk with professors about this sort of thing.
Actually you never proved this fallacy of yours. You may very well talk to professors but it is still no substitute to actually having then first hand educational experience of living and studying in that culture.
It’s like you can read all you like about climbing the Eiger but never really know what it is really like until you have done it yourself.
The saying “Travel broadens the mind” is still very much true.... though we can now add a extra bit...... “whilst never leaving your home county narrows the mind”
I'm not stopping anyone doing it if they think it's got some value beyond going on a three year piss up.
But I'm not paying for it.
If you think three years study at university either here in the UK or abroad is a piss up. You really have no idea about the requirements of a degree course.
When was the last time you went to university?
Not one European University in the top 50 in the World. I could take a dopey surf bum from California and he could probably cope with the level of "education" on offer. "
Really..... So when was the last time you went to university?
I’m also guessing from your logic that ETH Zurich in the top 20 is not a European University?
Where does the university of Surrey appear in the list? Is it above universities of Amsterdam, Rotterdam Berlin or the Sorbonne?
By your ideas of education it must be offering no education at all.....
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
Regardless of the merits or not of the current student loan scheme vs the old student grant system.
The point is that not being part of the Erasmus scheme and having it replaced by a something that is at best second rate limits educational opportunities for all students in higher education.
The ability to live and study and understand other’s cultures first hand only helps to gain a greater perspective and adds to greater analytical thinking and knowledge.
You don’t get this by sitting in your bedroom trawling the internet and not ever leaving your home county.
You’ve been shown in detail why that is not the case.
Whether you choose to use that information or not is upto you. I talk with professors about this sort of thing.
Actually you never proved this fallacy of yours. You may very well talk to professors but it is still no substitute to actually having then first hand educational experience of living and studying in that culture.
It’s like you can read all you like about climbing the Eiger but never really know what it is really like until you have done it yourself.
The saying “Travel broadens the mind” is still very much true.... though we can now add a extra bit...... “whilst never leaving your home county narrows the mind”
I'm not stopping anyone doing it if they think it's got some value beyond going on a three year piss up.
But I'm not paying for it.
If you think three years study at university either here in the UK or abroad is a piss up. You really have no idea about the requirements of a degree course.
When was the last time you went to university?
Not one European University in the top 50 in the World. I could take a dopey surf bum from California and he could probably cope with the level of "education" on offer.
Really..... So when was the last time you went to university?
I’m also guessing from your logic that ETH Zurich in the top 20 is not a European University?
Where does the university of Surrey appear in the list? Is it above universities of Amsterdam, Rotterdam Berlin or the Sorbonne?
By your ideas of education it must be offering no education at all.....
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Bahahahaha Zurich is in Switzerland, was not in Erasmus lols, unbelievable.
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
Regardless of the merits or not of the current student loan scheme vs the old student grant system.
The point is that not being part of the Erasmus scheme and having it replaced by a something that is at best second rate limits educational opportunities for all students in higher education.
The ability to live and study and understand other’s cultures first hand only helps to gain a greater perspective and adds to greater analytical thinking and knowledge.
You don’t get this by sitting in your bedroom trawling the internet and not ever leaving your home county.
You’ve been shown in detail why that is not the case.
Whether you choose to use that information or not is upto you. I talk with professors about this sort of thing.
Actually you never proved this fallacy of yours. You may very well talk to professors but it is still no substitute to actually having then first hand educational experience of living and studying in that culture.
It’s like you can read all you like about climbing the Eiger but never really know what it is really like until you have done it yourself.
The saying “Travel broadens the mind” is still very much true.... though we can now add a extra bit...... “whilst never leaving your home county narrows the mind”
I'm not stopping anyone doing it if they think it's got some value beyond going on a three year piss up.
But I'm not paying for it.
If you think three years study at university either here in the UK or abroad is a piss up. You really have no idea about the requirements of a degree course.
When was the last time you went to university?
Not one European University in the top 50 in the World. I could take a dopey surf bum from California and he could probably cope with the level of "education" on offer.
Really..... So when was the last time you went to university?
I’m also guessing from your logic that ETH Zurich in the top 20 is not a European University?
Where does the university of Surrey appear in the list? Is it above universities of Amsterdam, Rotterdam Berlin or the Sorbonne?
By your ideas of education it must be offering no education at all.....
Bahahahaha Zurich is in Switzerland, was not in Erasmus lols, unbelievable.
None of the others are in the top 50 as I said. "
You are certainly correct in identifying that Zurich is in Switzerland.... well done with your geography skills.
However ZTH Zurich is a participant of the Erasmus scheme.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
You’re correct that aren’t considered credit in the sense of a credit card or phone contract etc. However they are taken into account when you apply for a mortgage and the question will be asked on that application regarding liabilities and outgoings. Your offer is based on your affordability. Having a student loan affects your ability to pay and therefore may affect the amount offered by the mortgage lender.
No, in practice it makes no difference to the affordability of a mortgage as it is only the a fraction of the interest being considered, not any notional debt figure. Its one less beer a month.
If it made no difference it would not be a line in the form. Mortgage lenders don’t tend to ask irrelevant questions when lending money.
Check with your economics professors .
It's a line in the form because if you are a graduate you are seen as more responsible and lower risk. Duh. "
Duh??? Ffs really
It’s called ten affordability test . The lending company may offer you 3-5 times your income but the final offer will be made once they take into account your affordability levels .
There isn’t a line to ask if you are a graduate as you may have quit halfway through . They only care if you can afford it.
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
Regardless of the merits or not of the current student loan scheme vs the old student grant system.
The point is that not being part of the Erasmus scheme and having it replaced by a something that is at best second rate limits educational opportunities for all students in higher education.
The ability to live and study and understand other’s cultures first hand only helps to gain a greater perspective and adds to greater analytical thinking and knowledge.
You don’t get this by sitting in your bedroom trawling the internet and not ever leaving your home county.
You’ve been shown in detail why that is not the case.
Whether you choose to use that information or not is upto you. I talk with professors about this sort of thing.
Actually you never proved this fallacy of yours. You may very well talk to professors but it is still no substitute to actually having then first hand educational experience of living and studying in that culture.
It’s like you can read all you like about climbing the Eiger but never really know what it is really like until you have done it yourself.
The saying “Travel broadens the mind” is still very much true.... though we can now add a extra bit...... “whilst never leaving your home county narrows the mind”
I'm not stopping anyone doing it if they think it's got some value beyond going on a three year piss up.
But I'm not paying for it.
If you think three years study at university either here in the UK or abroad is a piss up. You really have no idea about the requirements of a degree course.
When was the last time you went to university?
Not one European University in the top 50 in the World. I could take a dopey surf bum from California and he could probably cope with the level of "education" on offer.
Really..... So when was the last time you went to university?
I’m also guessing from your logic that ETH Zurich in the top 20 is not a European University?
Where does the university of Surrey appear in the list? Is it above universities of Amsterdam, Rotterdam Berlin or the Sorbonne?
By your ideas of education it must be offering no education at all.....
Bahahahaha Zurich is in Switzerland, was not in Erasmus lols, unbelievable.
None of the others are in the top 50 as I said.
You are certainly correct in identifying that Zurich is in Switzerland.... well done with your geography skills.
However ZTH Zurich is a participant of the Erasmus scheme.
So when was it you last attended university???"
It's NOT in Erasmus, from their own website :
"Due to the outcome of the federal vote on February 9, 2014, the negotiations between Switzerland and the EU regarding the participation in the Erasmus programme have been suspended. The Swiss higher education institutions can therefore not participate in Erasmus for the time being."
Sounds like another triumph for Brussels diplomacy lol
Just take the loss and move on
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
Regardless of the merits or not of the current student loan scheme vs the old student grant system.
The point is that not being part of the Erasmus scheme and having it replaced by a something that is at best second rate limits educational opportunities for all students in higher education.
The ability to live and study and understand other’s cultures first hand only helps to gain a greater perspective and adds to greater analytical thinking and knowledge.
You don’t get this by sitting in your bedroom trawling the internet and not ever leaving your home county.
You’ve been shown in detail why that is not the case.
Whether you choose to use that information or not is upto you. I talk with professors about this sort of thing.
Actually you never proved this fallacy of yours. You may very well talk to professors but it is still no substitute to actually having then first hand educational experience of living and studying in that culture.
It’s like you can read all you like about climbing the Eiger but never really know what it is really like until you have done it yourself.
The saying “Travel broadens the mind” is still very much true.... though we can now add a extra bit...... “whilst never leaving your home county narrows the mind”
I'm not stopping anyone doing it if they think it's got some value beyond going on a three year piss up.
But I'm not paying for it.
If you think three years study at university either here in the UK or abroad is a piss up. You really have no idea about the requirements of a degree course.
When was the last time you went to university?
Not one European University in the top 50 in the World. I could take a dopey surf bum from California and he could probably cope with the level of "education" on offer.
Really..... So when was the last time you went to university?
I’m also guessing from your logic that ETH Zurich in the top 20 is not a European University?
Where does the university of Surrey appear in the list? Is it above universities of Amsterdam, Rotterdam Berlin or the Sorbonne?
By your ideas of education it must be offering no education at all.....
Bahahahaha Zurich is in Switzerland, was not in Erasmus lols, unbelievable.
None of the others are in the top 50 as I said.
You are certainly correct in identifying that Zurich is in Switzerland.... well done with your geography skills.
However ZTH Zurich is a participant of the Erasmus scheme.
So when was it you last attended university???
It's NOT in Erasmus, from their own website :
"Due to the outcome of the federal vote on February 9, 2014, the negotiations between Switzerland and the EU regarding the participation in the Erasmus programme have been suspended. The Swiss higher education institutions can therefore not participate in Erasmus for the time being."
Sounds like another triumph for Brussels diplomacy lol
Just take the loss and move on
"
Clearly someone has not updated their website as ec.europa.eu has ETH Zurich as a participant..
Though you have not answered where the University of Surrey appears in the list of top universities and value of its education.....
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
Regardless of the merits or not of the current student loan scheme vs the old student grant system.
The point is that not being part of the Erasmus scheme and having it replaced by a something that is at best second rate limits educational opportunities for all students in higher education.
The ability to live and study and understand other’s cultures first hand only helps to gain a greater perspective and adds to greater analytical thinking and knowledge.
You don’t get this by sitting in your bedroom trawling the internet and not ever leaving your home county.
You’ve been shown in detail why that is not the case.
Whether you choose to use that information or not is upto you. I talk with professors about this sort of thing.
Actually you never proved this fallacy of yours. You may very well talk to professors but it is still no substitute to actually having then first hand educational experience of living and studying in that culture.
It’s like you can read all you like about climbing the Eiger but never really know what it is really like until you have done it yourself.
The saying “Travel broadens the mind” is still very much true.... though we can now add a extra bit...... “whilst never leaving your home county narrows the mind”
I'm not stopping anyone doing it if they think it's got some value beyond going on a three year piss up.
But I'm not paying for it.
If you think three years study at university either here in the UK or abroad is a piss up. You really have no idea about the requirements of a degree course.
When was the last time you went to university?
Not one European University in the top 50 in the World. I could take a dopey surf bum from California and he could probably cope with the level of "education" on offer.
Really..... So when was the last time you went to university?
I’m also guessing from your logic that ETH Zurich in the top 20 is not a European University?
Where does the university of Surrey appear in the list? Is it above universities of Amsterdam, Rotterdam Berlin or the Sorbonne?
By your ideas of education it must be offering no education at all.....
Bahahahaha Zurich is in Switzerland, was not in Erasmus lols, unbelievable.
None of the others are in the top 50 as I said.
You are certainly correct in identifying that Zurich is in Switzerland.... well done with your geography skills.
However ZTH Zurich is a participant of the Erasmus scheme.
So when was it you last attended university???
It's NOT in Erasmus, from their own website :
"Due to the outcome of the federal vote on February 9, 2014, the negotiations between Switzerland and the EU regarding the participation in the Erasmus programme have been suspended. The Swiss higher education institutions can therefore not participate in Erasmus for the time being."
Sounds like another triumph for Brussels diplomacy lol
Just take the loss and move on
Clearly someone has not updated their website as ec.europa.eu has ETH Zurich as a participant..
Though you have not answered where the University of Surrey appears in the list of top universities and value of its education.....
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You better get onto ETH Zurich and let them know then lol
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
Regardless of the merits or not of the current student loan scheme vs the old student grant system.
The point is that not being part of the Erasmus scheme and having it replaced by a something that is at best second rate limits educational opportunities for all students in higher education.
The ability to live and study and understand other’s cultures first hand only helps to gain a greater perspective and adds to greater analytical thinking and knowledge.
You don’t get this by sitting in your bedroom trawling the internet and not ever leaving your home county.
You’ve been shown in detail why that is not the case.
Whether you choose to use that information or not is upto you. I talk with professors about this sort of thing.
Actually you never proved this fallacy of yours. You may very well talk to professors but it is still no substitute to actually having then first hand educational experience of living and studying in that culture.
It’s like you can read all you like about climbing the Eiger but never really know what it is really like until you have done it yourself.
The saying “Travel broadens the mind” is still very much true.... though we can now add a extra bit...... “whilst never leaving your home county narrows the mind”
I'm not stopping anyone doing it if they think it's got some value beyond going on a three year piss up.
But I'm not paying for it.
If you think three years study at university either here in the UK or abroad is a piss up. You really have no idea about the requirements of a degree course.
When was the last time you went to university?
Not one European University in the top 50 in the World. I could take a dopey surf bum from California and he could probably cope with the level of "education" on offer.
Really..... So when was the last time you went to university?
I’m also guessing from your logic that ETH Zurich in the top 20 is not a European University?
Where does the university of Surrey appear in the list? Is it above universities of Amsterdam, Rotterdam Berlin or the Sorbonne?
By your ideas of education it must be offering no education at all.....
Bahahahaha Zurich is in Switzerland, was not in Erasmus lols, unbelievable.
None of the others are in the top 50 as I said.
You are certainly correct in identifying that Zurich is in Switzerland.... well done with your geography skills.
However ZTH Zurich is a participant of the Erasmus scheme.
So when was it you last attended university???
It's NOT in Erasmus, from their own website :
"Due to the outcome of the federal vote on February 9, 2014, the negotiations between Switzerland and the EU regarding the participation in the Erasmus programme have been suspended. The Swiss higher education institutions can therefore not participate in Erasmus for the time being."
Sounds like another triumph for Brussels diplomacy lol
Just take the loss and move on
Clearly someone has not updated their website as ec.europa.eu has ETH Zurich as a participant..
Though you have not answered where the University of Surrey appears in the list of top universities and value of its education.....
You better get onto ETH Zurich and let them know then lol
What's the University of Surrey got to do with anything? We've got plenty of shit Universities, I only discuss things with professors from top 20 worldwide ranked institutions. "
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
Regardless of the merits or not of the current student loan scheme vs the old student grant system.
The point is that not being part of the Erasmus scheme and having it replaced by a something that is at best second rate limits educational opportunities for all students in higher education.
The ability to live and study and understand other’s cultures first hand only helps to gain a greater perspective and adds to greater analytical thinking and knowledge.
You don’t get this by sitting in your bedroom trawling the internet and not ever leaving your home county.
You’ve been shown in detail why that is not the case.
Whether you choose to use that information or not is upto you. I talk with professors about this sort of thing.
Actually you never proved this fallacy of yours. You may very well talk to professors but it is still no substitute to actually having then first hand educational experience of living and studying in that culture.
It’s like you can read all you like about climbing the Eiger but never really know what it is really like until you have done it yourself.
The saying “Travel broadens the mind” is still very much true.... though we can now add a extra bit...... “whilst never leaving your home county narrows the mind”
I'm not stopping anyone doing it if they think it's got some value beyond going on a three year piss up.
But I'm not paying for it.
If you think three years study at university either here in the UK or abroad is a piss up. You really have no idea about the requirements of a degree course.
When was the last time you went to university?
Not one European University in the top 50 in the World. I could take a dopey surf bum from California and he could probably cope with the level of "education" on offer.
Really..... So when was the last time you went to university?
I’m also guessing from your logic that ETH Zurich in the top 20 is not a European University?
Where does the university of Surrey appear in the list? Is it above universities of Amsterdam, Rotterdam Berlin or the Sorbonne?
By your ideas of education it must be offering no education at all.....
Bahahahaha Zurich is in Switzerland, was not in Erasmus lols, unbelievable.
None of the others are in the top 50 as I said.
You are certainly correct in identifying that Zurich is in Switzerland.... well done with your geography skills.
However ZTH Zurich is a participant of the Erasmus scheme.
So when was it you last attended university???
It's NOT in Erasmus, from their own website :
"Due to the outcome of the federal vote on February 9, 2014, the negotiations between Switzerland and the EU regarding the participation in the Erasmus programme have been suspended. The Swiss higher education institutions can therefore not participate in Erasmus for the time being."
Sounds like another triumph for Brussels diplomacy lol
Just take the loss and move on
Clearly someone has not updated their website as ec.europa.eu has ETH Zurich as a participant..
Though you have not answered where the University of Surrey appears in the list of top universities and value of its education.....
You better get onto ETH Zurich and let them know then lol
What's the University of Surrey got to do with anything? We've got plenty of shit Universities, I only discuss things with professors from top 20 worldwide ranked institutions.
They're called Doctors and they want you to get better."
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
Regardless of the merits or not of the current student loan scheme vs the old student grant system.
The point is that not being part of the Erasmus scheme and having it replaced by a something that is at best second rate limits educational opportunities for all students in higher education.
The ability to live and study and understand other’s cultures first hand only helps to gain a greater perspective and adds to greater analytical thinking and knowledge.
You don’t get this by sitting in your bedroom trawling the internet and not ever leaving your home county.
You’ve been shown in detail why that is not the case.
Whether you choose to use that information or not is upto you. I talk with professors about this sort of thing.
Actually you never proved this fallacy of yours. You may very well talk to professors but it is still no substitute to actually having then first hand educational experience of living and studying in that culture.
It’s like you can read all you like about climbing the Eiger but never really know what it is really like until you have done it yourself.
The saying “Travel broadens the mind” is still very much true.... though we can now add a extra bit...... “whilst never leaving your home county narrows the mind”
I'm not stopping anyone doing it if they think it's got some value beyond going on a three year piss up.
But I'm not paying for it.
If you think three years study at university either here in the UK or abroad is a piss up. You really have no idea about the requirements of a degree course.
When was the last time you went to university?
Not one European University in the top 50 in the World. I could take a dopey surf bum from California and he could probably cope with the level of "education" on offer.
Really..... So when was the last time you went to university?
I’m also guessing from your logic that ETH Zurich in the top 20 is not a European University?
Where does the university of Surrey appear in the list? Is it above universities of Amsterdam, Rotterdam Berlin or the Sorbonne?
By your ideas of education it must be offering no education at all.....
Bahahahaha Zurich is in Switzerland, was not in Erasmus lols, unbelievable.
None of the others are in the top 50 as I said.
You are certainly correct in identifying that Zurich is in Switzerland.... well done with your geography skills.
However ZTH Zurich is a participant of the Erasmus scheme.
So when was it you last attended university???
It's NOT in Erasmus, from their own website :
"Due to the outcome of the federal vote on February 9, 2014, the negotiations between Switzerland and the EU regarding the participation in the Erasmus programme have been suspended. The Swiss higher education institutions can therefore not participate in Erasmus for the time being."
Sounds like another triumph for Brussels diplomacy lol
Just take the loss and move on
Clearly someone has not updated their website as ec.europa.eu has ETH Zurich as a participant..
Though you have not answered where the University of Surrey appears in the list of top universities and value of its education.....
You better get onto ETH Zurich and let them know then lol
What's the University of Surrey got to do with anything? We've got plenty of shit Universities, I only discuss things with professors from top 20 worldwide ranked institutions. "
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
Regardless of the merits or not of the current student loan scheme vs the old student grant system.
The point is that not being part of the Erasmus scheme and having it replaced by a something that is at best second rate limits educational opportunities for all students in higher education.
The ability to live and study and understand other’s cultures first hand only helps to gain a greater perspective and adds to greater analytical thinking and knowledge.
You don’t get this by sitting in your bedroom trawling the internet and not ever leaving your home county.
You’ve been shown in detail why that is not the case.
Whether you choose to use that information or not is upto you. I talk with professors about this sort of thing.
Actually you never proved this fallacy of yours. You may very well talk to professors but it is still no substitute to actually having then first hand educational experience of living and studying in that culture.
It’s like you can read all you like about climbing the Eiger but never really know what it is really like until you have done it yourself.
The saying “Travel broadens the mind” is still very much true.... though we can now add a extra bit...... “whilst never leaving your home county narrows the mind”
I'm not stopping anyone doing it if they think it's got some value beyond going on a three year piss up.
But I'm not paying for it.
If you think three years study at university either here in the UK or abroad is a piss up. You really have no idea about the requirements of a degree course.
When was the last time you went to university?
Not one European University in the top 50 in the World. I could take a dopey surf bum from California and he could probably cope with the level of "education" on offer.
Really..... So when was the last time you went to university?
I’m also guessing from your logic that ETH Zurich in the top 20 is not a European University?
Where does the university of Surrey appear in the list? Is it above universities of Amsterdam, Rotterdam Berlin or the Sorbonne?
By your ideas of education it must be offering no education at all.....
Bahahahaha Zurich is in Switzerland, was not in Erasmus lols, unbelievable.
None of the others are in the top 50 as I said.
You are certainly correct in identifying that Zurich is in Switzerland.... well done with your geography skills.
However ZTH Zurich is a participant of the Erasmus scheme.
So when was it you last attended university???
It's NOT in Erasmus, from their own website :
"Due to the outcome of the federal vote on February 9, 2014, the negotiations between Switzerland and the EU regarding the participation in the Erasmus programme have been suspended. The Swiss higher education institutions can therefore not participate in Erasmus for the time being."
Sounds like another triumph for Brussels diplomacy lol
Just take the loss and move on
Clearly someone has not updated their website as ec.europa.eu has ETH Zurich as a participant..
Though you have not answered where the University of Surrey appears in the list of top universities and value of its education.....
You better get onto ETH Zurich and let them know then lol
What's the University of Surrey got to do with anything? We've got plenty of shit Universities, I only discuss things with professors from top 20 worldwide ranked institutions.
They're called Doctors and they want you to get better."
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"So in the 27 years the UK was in the EU, how many of you know or heard of a young person from the local council estate that went to university abroad on this scheme?
What difference does this make?
Are you suggesting that if no one on here personally knows someone who availed of the scheme that it's okay to take away opportunities for kids from less well off families?
Like someone said earlier I bet it wasn't the kids from the local council estate that went on this scheme.
I belive in free education for all British children up to the age of 18.
With some small exceptions I don't think the tax payers should foot the bill for university.
Fair enough.
I believe that the government should support kids from poorer families going to university. I believe strongly that it's vital in the attempt to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor in this country.
If higher education is only for the rich, this helps to keep them at the top, and the rest of us at the bottom. In my opinion.
I hear what your saying here but everyone studying their first is entitled to Tuition Fee Loans. The government back these loans so in effect do support kids from poorer families.
Higher Education isn't just for the rich.
Realistically, coming out of university with £30-40k in debt puts people off.
If your parents are loaded, and can afford to foot this bill, you're much more likely to go. And not have to work evenings and weekends at the local supermarket to help pay for it.
You pay back about 10% of anything you earn over the threshold. There is absolutely no need to 'work extra to pay it off'
Earning more actually means you pay more.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gone to university because they've been put off by tuition fees.
I know lots of people who chose not to go. Tuition fees were a big part.
And I know people who dropped out as their debt was rising.
You can argue that these were poor decisions on their behalf.
But in my opinion, this is an unfair system which contributes to the gap between the rich and poor. And that the country would be better off with a better educated population.
The country would definitely be better off with a better educated population, I agree on that.
However, I dont agree that tuition fees contribute to the gap between rich and poor. When my daughters go to university I won't be able to pay for their tuition but it's not gonna stop them pursuing their dreams.
The largest single contribution for me between rich and poor is mentality. Controversial, I know but that's the way I see it.
Fair enough.
I agree there is an element of mentality in this problem. And the establishment push this hard too.
Think about student loans logically.
If you leave university and earn 30k/year you'll pay £18/month.
35k/year and you'll pay £63/month.
40k/year and you'll pay £100/month.
These are hardly figures that will actually stop people from studying. I know I'm not taking into account other student outgoings such as food, rent etc. But tuition fees are not an excuse not to study.
For sure.
Having that much debt to your name can cause you problems getting loans or mortgages etc.
I’d rather you didn’t contribute with pontifications on subjects you clearly know nothing about, suggest you have a listen to Martin Lewis on this subject as a primer.
Student loans function like a graduate tax, they aren’t considered credit. Good grief it’s painful today.
Regardless of the merits or not of the current student loan scheme vs the old student grant system.
The point is that not being part of the Erasmus scheme and having it replaced by a something that is at best second rate limits educational opportunities for all students in higher education.
The ability to live and study and understand other’s cultures first hand only helps to gain a greater perspective and adds to greater analytical thinking and knowledge.
You don’t get this by sitting in your bedroom trawling the internet and not ever leaving your home county.
You’ve been shown in detail why that is not the case.
Whether you choose to use that information or not is upto you. I talk with professors about this sort of thing.
Actually you never proved this fallacy of yours. You may very well talk to professors but it is still no substitute to actually having then first hand educational experience of living and studying in that culture.
It’s like you can read all you like about climbing the Eiger but never really know what it is really like until you have done it yourself.
The saying “Travel broadens the mind” is still very much true.... though we can now add a extra bit...... “whilst never leaving your home county narrows the mind”
I'm not stopping anyone doing it if they think it's got some value beyond going on a three year piss up.
But I'm not paying for it.
If you think three years study at university either here in the UK or abroad is a piss up. You really have no idea about the requirements of a degree course.
When was the last time you went to university?
Not one European University in the top 50 in the World. I could take a dopey surf bum from California and he could probably cope with the level of "education" on offer.
Really..... So when was the last time you went to university?
I’m also guessing from your logic that ETH Zurich in the top 20 is not a European University?
Where does the university of Surrey appear in the list? Is it above universities of Amsterdam, Rotterdam Berlin or the Sorbonne?
By your ideas of education it must be offering no education at all.....
Bahahahaha Zurich is in Switzerland, was not in Erasmus lols, unbelievable.
None of the others are in the top 50 as I said.
You are certainly correct in identifying that Zurich is in Switzerland.... well done with your geography skills.
However ZTH Zurich is a participant of the Erasmus scheme.
So when was it you last attended university???
It's NOT in Erasmus, from their own website :
"Due to the outcome of the federal vote on February 9, 2014, the negotiations between Switzerland and the EU regarding the participation in the Erasmus programme have been suspended. The Swiss higher education institutions can therefore not participate in Erasmus for the time being."
Sounds like another triumph for Brussels diplomacy lol
Just take the loss and move on
Clearly someone has not updated their website as ec.europa.eu has ETH Zurich as a participant..
Though you have not answered where the University of Surrey appears in the list of top universities and value of its education.....
You better get onto ETH Zurich and let them know then lol
What's the University of Surrey got to do with anything? We've got plenty of shit Universities, I only discuss things with professors from top 20 worldwide ranked institutions.
It might help if you actually listened to some of them "
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"Totally pointless and with literally zero benefits for ordinary people - and we are still in a secondary transition period until the end of the month lol.
The big lie was that Brexit would be good for us all - “no downside, only a considerable upside.” What absolute bollocks,
A waste of money, a waste of energy, a waste of time and a tremendous loss of international status - for absolutely no discernible benefit whatsoever."
Back to the OP. I disagree that brexit is a fuck up. It largely achieved everything it wanted to. The wellbeing of the people is totally irrelevant to those like Farage, Johnson, The ERG, and all those who have been planning for brexit for years.
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