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Until I joined here ,I always thought that when a gmnt made a decision, they took the credit or blame.
For example the iraq war is laid firmly at the door of labour.
The financial crash was obviously labours fault too.
However it seems increasingly this isnt the case.
Covid handled badly..so did every other country(they didn't)
Shortage of ppe..well that was The fault of the NHS supplier.
Care homes crises..the care home management.
High death rate..well that's down to high density and the way we count our figures.
Problems with Brexit..well the eu obviously.
Appalling quality of free school meals..well that's the company involved
Austerity.. either the eu or labour would have done the same.
Lavish new press room.. the civil servants
No pay rise..for nurses..no magic money tree.
Foreign aid cut...well we still give more than others.
Ppe scandal..normal practice apparently.
Increasing poverty..well that began under labour.
I dont think there has been 1 thing they have done, where they are actually responsible.
There hasn't been 1 policy failing which hasn't been explained away as someone else's fault.
It's quite remarkable really.
Still I suppose that comes from the top.
Yet strangely the one thing they do get right..the vaccine rollout..they obviously take full credit for
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Can’t see any difference at all between either labour or Tory excuses.
Our Tony isn’t keen on giving interviews on Iraq, but his continual justification is that the world is better without Saddam. Why no journalists ever asks him or Alistair what their plan was for winning the peace after the conflict fuck knows.
Gordon never refers to the UK financial crisis, he always refers to it as a global crisis. And that he saved the world. 
Politicians eh
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Can’t see any difference at all between either labour or Tory excuses.
Our Tony isn’t keen on giving interviews on Iraq, but his continual justification is that the world is better without Saddam. Why no journalists ever asks him or Alistair what their plan was for winning the peace after the conflict fuck knows.
Gordon never refers to the UK financial crisis, he always refers to it as a global crisis. And that he saved the world.
Politicians eh
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"Until I joined here ,I always thought that when a gmnt made a decision, they took the credit or blame.
For example the iraq war is laid firmly at the door of labour.
The financial crash was obviously labours fault too.
However it seems increasingly this isnt the case.
Covid handled badly..so did every other country(they didn't)
Shortage of ppe..well that was The fault of the NHS supplier.
Care homes crises..the care home management.
High death rate..well that's down to high density and the way we count our figures.
Problems with Brexit..well the eu obviously.
Appalling quality of free school meals..well that's the company involved
Austerity.. either the eu or labour would have done the same.
Lavish new press room.. the civil servants
No pay rise..for nurses..no magic money tree.
Foreign aid cut...well we still give more than others.
Ppe scandal..normal practice apparently.
Increasing poverty..well that began under labour.
I dont think there has been 1 thing they have done, where they are actually responsible.
There hasn't been 1 policy failing which hasn't been explained away as someone else's fault.
It's quite remarkable really.
Still I suppose that comes from the top.
Yet strangely the one thing they do get right..the vaccine rollout..they obviously take full credit for
"
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This is because of your extreme left wing bias which, in my opinion, not only blinds you but leaves you terribly emotionally wounded.
I genuinely feel sorry for your way of thinking.
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"Until I joined here ,I always thought that when a gmnt made a decision, they took the credit or blame.
For example the iraq war is laid firmly at the door of labour.
The financial crash was obviously labours fault too.
However it seems increasingly this isnt the case.
Covid handled badly..so did every other country(they didn't)
Shortage of ppe..well that was The fault of the NHS supplier.
Care homes crises..the care home management.
High death rate..well that's down to high density and the way we count our figures.
Problems with Brexit..well the eu obviously.
Appalling quality of free school meals..well that's the company involved
Austerity.. either the eu or labour would have done the same.
Lavish new press room.. the civil servants
No pay rise..for nurses..no magic money tree.
Foreign aid cut...well we still give more than others.
Ppe scandal..normal practice apparently.
Increasing poverty..well that began under labour.
I dont think there has been 1 thing they have done, where they are actually responsible.
There hasn't been 1 policy failing which hasn't been explained away as someone else's fault.
It's quite remarkable really.
Still I suppose that comes from the top.
Yet strangely the one thing they do get right..the vaccine rollout..they obviously take full credit for
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You seem to have answered all your questions yourself correctly.
If you knew all the correct answers already I'm not really sure what you are asking the rest of us?  |
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"Until I joined here ,I always thought that when a gmnt made a decision, they took the credit or blame.
For example the iraq war is laid firmly at the door of labour.
The financial crash was obviously labours fault too.
However it seems increasingly this isnt the case.
Covid handled badly..so did every other country(they didn't)
Shortage of ppe..well that was The fault of the NHS supplier.
Care homes crises..the care home management.
High death rate..well that's down to high density and the way we count our figures.
Problems with Brexit..well the eu obviously.
Appalling quality of free school meals..well that's the company involved
Austerity.. either the eu or labour would have done the same.
Lavish new press room.. the civil servants
No pay rise..for nurses..no magic money tree.
Foreign aid cut...well we still give more than others.
Ppe scandal..normal practice apparently.
Increasing poverty..well that began under labour.
I dont think there has been 1 thing they have done, where they are actually responsible.
There hasn't been 1 policy failing which hasn't been explained away as someone else's fault.
It's quite remarkable really.
Still I suppose that comes from the top.
Yet strangely the one thing they do get right..the vaccine rollout..they obviously take full credit for
********************************
This is because of your extreme left wing bias which, in my opinion, not only blinds you but leaves you terribly emotionally wounded.
I genuinely feel sorry for your way of thinking.
"
yes its tragic, you could go see the wizard of Oz and see if he can help, ill be Dorothy  |
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"Until I joined here ,I always thought that when a gmnt made a decision, they took the credit or blame.
For example the iraq war is laid firmly at the door of labour.
The financial crash was obviously labours fault too.
However it seems increasingly this isnt the case.
Covid handled badly..so did every other country(they didn't)
Shortage of ppe..well that was The fault of the NHS supplier.
Care homes crises..the care home management.
High death rate..well that's down to high density and the way we count our figures.
Problems with Brexit..well the eu obviously.
Appalling quality of free school meals..well that's the company involved
Austerity.. either the eu or labour would have done the same.
Lavish new press room.. the civil servants
No pay rise..for nurses..no magic money tree.
Foreign aid cut...well we still give more than others.
Ppe scandal..normal practice apparently.
Increasing poverty..well that began under labour.
I dont think there has been 1 thing they have done, where they are actually responsible.
There hasn't been 1 policy failing which hasn't been explained away as someone else's fault.
It's quite remarkable really.
Still I suppose that comes from the top.
Yet strangely the one thing they do get right..the vaccine rollout..they obviously take full credit for
********************************
This is because of your extreme left wing bias which, in my opinion, not only blinds you but leaves you terribly emotionally wounded.
I genuinely feel sorry for your way of thinking.
"
Would this be the same left wing bias that leads Lionel to say, quote:
"For example the iraq war is laid firmly at the door of labour.
The financial crash was obviously labours fault too."
Or could it perhaps be that when labour does something appalling he blames it on labour, and when the tories do something appalling he blames it on the tories? Which funnily enough, doesn't look particularly like bias to me, I might instead call it even handedness. Or assigning blame where blame is due. Or fairness in commentary. Unlike some who apparently blame every problem during the lifetime of the conservative government upon one J Corbyn who (excuse me if I've got this wrong) is not actually Prime Minister and has not been the one dictating bad policy? |
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"You mean the Lionel who asnt made one comment on the 75 million for the Humber the 20 million for teesport thread today that unbiased Lionel lol"
I dont live there mate so I dont know if you need new hospitals etc. |
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"You mean the Lionel who asnt made one comment on the 75 million for the Humber the 20 million for teesport thread today that unbiased Lionel lol
I dont live there mate so I dont know if you need new hospitals etc."
lmfao nothing to do with hospitals as you well know that was a reply to someone from teesside you always swerve any thread with good news mate amd you know it |
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"You mean the Lionel who asnt made one comment on the 75 million for the Humber the 20 million for teesport thread today that unbiased Lionel lol
I dont live there mate so I dont know if you need new hospitals etc.lmfao nothing to do with hospitals as you well know that was a reply to someone from teesside you always swerve any thread with good news mate amd you know it "
You are having a debate about hospitals.
Quite why you feel the need to drag me into is anyones guess but carry on.
I'm presuming you missed my numerous contributions on why nurses and key workers should get a better pay deal?
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"You mean the Lionel who asnt made one comment on the 75 million for the Humber the 20 million for teesport thread today that unbiased Lionel lol
I dont live there mate so I dont know if you need new hospitals etc.lmfao nothing to do with hospitals as you well know that was a reply to someone from teesside you always swerve any thread with good news mate amd you know it
You are having a debate about hospitals.
Quite why you feel the need to drag me into is anyones guess but carry on.
I'm presuming you missed my numerous contributions on why nurses and key workers should get a better pay deal?
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no didn’t miss them Lionel I posted on them |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"Until I joined here ,I always thought that when a gmnt made a decision, they took the credit or blame.
For example the iraq war is laid firmly at the door of labour.
The financial crash was obviously labours fault too.
However it seems increasingly this isnt the case.
Covid handled badly..so did every other country(they didn't)
Shortage of ppe..well that was The fault of the NHS supplier.
Care homes crises..the care home management.
High death rate..well that's down to high density and the way we count our figures.
Problems with Brexit..well the eu obviously.
Appalling quality of free school meals..well that's the company involved
Austerity.. either the eu or labour would have done the same.
Lavish new press room.. the civil servants
No pay rise..for nurses..no magic money tree.
Foreign aid cut...well we still give more than others.
Ppe scandal..normal practice apparently.
Increasing poverty..well that began under labour.
I dont think there has been 1 thing they have done, where they are actually responsible.
There hasn't been 1 policy failing which hasn't been explained away as someone else's fault.
It's quite remarkable really.
Still I suppose that comes from the top.
Yet strangely the one thing they do get right..the vaccine rollout..they obviously take full credit for
********************************
This is because of your extreme left wing bias which, in my opinion, not only blinds you but leaves you terribly emotionally wounded.
I genuinely feel sorry for your way of thinking.
Would this be the same left wing bias that leads Lionel to say, quote:
"For example the iraq war is laid firmly at the door of labour.
The financial crash was obviously labours fault too."
Or could it perhaps be that when labour does something appalling he blames it on labour, and when the tories do something appalling he blames it on the tories? Which funnily enough, doesn't look particularly like bias to me, I might instead call it even handedness. Or assigning blame where blame is due. Or fairness in commentary. Unlike some who apparently blame every problem during the lifetime of the conservative government upon one J Corbyn who (excuse me if I've got this wrong) is not actually Prime Minister and has not been the one dictating bad policy?"
You do realise Lionel is being ironic in the snippets you’ve quoted? |
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"Until I joined here ,I always thought that when a gmnt made a decision, they took the credit or blame.
For example the iraq war is laid firmly at the door of labour.
The financial crash was obviously labours fault too.
However it seems increasingly this isnt the case.
Covid handled badly..so did every other country(they didn't)
Shortage of ppe..well that was The fault of the NHS supplier.
Care homes crises..the care home management.
High death rate..well that's down to high density and the way we count our figures.
Problems with Brexit..well the eu obviously.
Appalling quality of free school meals..well that's the company involved
Austerity.. either the eu or labour would have done the same.
Lavish new press room.. the civil servants
No pay rise..for nurses..no magic money tree.
Foreign aid cut...well we still give more than others.
Ppe scandal..normal practice apparently.
Increasing poverty..well that began under labour.
I dont think there has been 1 thing they have done, where they are actually responsible.
There hasn't been 1 policy failing which hasn't been explained away as someone else's fault.
It's quite remarkable really.
Still I suppose that comes from the top.
Yet strangely the one thing they do get right..the vaccine rollout..they obviously take full credit for
********************************
This is because of your extreme left wing bias which, in my opinion, not only blinds you but leaves you terribly emotionally wounded.
I genuinely feel sorry for your way of thinking.
Would this be the same left wing bias that leads Lionel to say, quote:
"For example the iraq war is laid firmly at the door of labour.
The financial crash was obviously labours fault too."
Or could it perhaps be that when labour does something appalling he blames it on labour, and when the tories do something appalling he blames it on the tories? Which funnily enough, doesn't look particularly like bias to me, I might instead call it even handedness. Or assigning blame where blame is due. Or fairness in commentary. Unlike some who apparently blame every problem during the lifetime of the conservative government upon one J Corbyn who (excuse me if I've got this wrong) is not actually Prime Minister and has not been the one dictating bad policy?
You do realise Lionel is being ironic in the snippets you’ve quoted? "
The Iraq war I wasnt.
That is tony Blair's legacy.
The financial crash was nothing to do with labour ,yet they still got the blame.
This gmnt have just responsibility for absolutely nothing. |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"Until I joined here ,I always thought that when a gmnt made a decision, they took the credit or blame.
For example the iraq war is laid firmly at the door of labour.
The financial crash was obviously labours fault too.
However it seems increasingly this isnt the case.
Covid handled badly..so did every other country(they didn't)
Shortage of ppe..well that was The fault of the NHS supplier.
Care homes crises..the care home management.
High death rate..well that's down to high density and the way we count our figures.
Problems with Brexit..well the eu obviously.
Appalling quality of free school meals..well that's the company involved
Austerity.. either the eu or labour would have done the same.
Lavish new press room.. the civil servants
No pay rise..for nurses..no magic money tree.
Foreign aid cut...well we still give more than others.
Ppe scandal..normal practice apparently.
Increasing poverty..well that began under labour.
I dont think there has been 1 thing they have done, where they are actually responsible.
There hasn't been 1 policy failing which hasn't been explained away as someone else's fault.
It's quite remarkable really.
Still I suppose that comes from the top.
Yet strangely the one thing they do get right..the vaccine rollout..they obviously take full credit for
********************************
This is because of your extreme left wing bias which, in my opinion, not only blinds you but leaves you terribly emotionally wounded.
I genuinely feel sorry for your way of thinking.
Would this be the same left wing bias that leads Lionel to say, quote:
"For example the iraq war is laid firmly at the door of labour.
The financial crash was obviously labours fault too."
Or could it perhaps be that when labour does something appalling he blames it on labour, and when the tories do something appalling he blames it on the tories? Which funnily enough, doesn't look particularly like bias to me, I might instead call it even handedness. Or assigning blame where blame is due. Or fairness in commentary. Unlike some who apparently blame every problem during the lifetime of the conservative government upon one J Corbyn who (excuse me if I've got this wrong) is not actually Prime Minister and has not been the one dictating bad policy?
You do realise Lionel is being ironic in the snippets you’ve quoted?
The Iraq war I wasnt.
That is tony Blair's legacy.
The financial crash was nothing to do with labour ,yet they still got the blame.
This gmnt have just responsibility for absolutely nothing."
I’ve never seen Labour accept responsibility for the Iraq war. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Can’t see any difference at all between either labour or Tory excuses.
Our Tony isn’t keen on giving interviews on Iraq, but his continual justification is that the world is better without Saddam. Why no journalists ever asks him or Alistair what their plan was for winning the peace after the conflict fuck knows.
Gordon never refers to the UK financial crisis, he always refers to it as a global crisis. And that he saved the world.
Politicians eh
"
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"Until I joined here ,I always thought that when a gmnt made a decision, they took the credit or blame.
For example the iraq war is laid firmly at the door of labour.
The financial crash was obviously labours fault too.
However it seems increasingly this isnt the case.
Covid handled badly..so did every other country(they didn't)
Shortage of ppe..well that was The fault of the NHS supplier.
Care homes crises..the care home management.
High death rate..well that's down to high density and the way we count our figures.
Problems with Brexit..well the eu obviously.
Appalling quality of free school meals..well that's the company involved
Austerity.. either the eu or labour would have done the same.
Lavish new press room.. the civil servants
No pay rise..for nurses..no magic money tree.
Foreign aid cut...well we still give more than others.
Ppe scandal..normal practice apparently.
Increasing poverty..well that began under labour.
I dont think there has been 1 thing they have done, where they are actually responsible.
There hasn't been 1 policy failing which hasn't been explained away as someone else's fault.
It's quite remarkable really.
Still I suppose that comes from the top.
Yet strangely the one thing they do get right..the vaccine rollout..they obviously take full credit for
********************************
This is because of your extreme left wing bias which, in my opinion, not only blinds you but leaves you terribly emotionally wounded.
I genuinely feel sorry for your way of thinking.
Would this be the same left wing bias that leads Lionel to say, quote:
"For example the iraq war is laid firmly at the door of labour.
The financial crash was obviously labours fault too."
Or could it perhaps be that when labour does something appalling he blames it on labour, and when the tories do something appalling he blames it on the tories? Which funnily enough, doesn't look particularly like bias to me, I might instead call it even handedness. Or assigning blame where blame is due. Or fairness in commentary. Unlike some who apparently blame every problem during the lifetime of the conservative government upon one J Corbyn who (excuse me if I've got this wrong) is not actually Prime Minister and has not been the one dictating bad policy?
You do realise Lionel is being ironic in the snippets you’ve quoted?
The Iraq war I wasnt.
That is tony Blair's legacy.
The financial crash was nothing to do with labour ,yet they still got the blame.
This gmnt have just responsibility for absolutely nothing.
I’ve never seen Labour accept responsibility for the Iraq war."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/06/chilcot-report-2003-iraq-war-was-unnecessary-and-invasion-was-no/
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"Until I joined here ,I always thought that when a gmnt made a decision, they took the credit or blame.
For example the iraq war is laid firmly at the door of labour.
The financial crash was obviously labours fault too.
However it seems increasingly this isnt the case.
Covid handled badly..so did every other country(they didn't)
Shortage of ppe..well that was The fault of the NHS supplier.
Care homes crises..the care home management.
High death rate..well that's down to high density and the way we count our figures.
Problems with Brexit..well the eu obviously.
Appalling quality of free school meals..well that's the company involved
Austerity.. either the eu or labour would have done the same.
Lavish new press room.. the civil servants
No pay rise..for nurses..no magic money tree.
Foreign aid cut...well we still give more than others.
Ppe scandal..normal practice apparently.
Increasing poverty..well that began under labour.
I dont think there has been 1 thing they have done, where they are actually responsible.
There hasn't been 1 policy failing which hasn't been explained away as someone else's fault.
It's quite remarkable really.
Still I suppose that comes from the top.
Yet strangely the one thing they do get right..the vaccine rollout..they obviously take full credit for
********************************
This is because of your extreme left wing bias which, in my opinion, not only blinds you but leaves you terribly emotionally wounded.
I genuinely feel sorry for your way of thinking.
Would this be the same left wing bias that leads Lionel to say, quote:
"For example the iraq war is laid firmly at the door of labour.
The financial crash was obviously labours fault too."
Or could it perhaps be that when labour does something appalling he blames it on labour, and when the tories do something appalling he blames it on the tories? Which funnily enough, doesn't look particularly like bias to me, I might instead call it even handedness. Or assigning blame where blame is due. Or fairness in commentary. Unlike some who apparently blame every problem during the lifetime of the conservative government upon one J Corbyn who (excuse me if I've got this wrong) is not actually Prime Minister and has not been the one dictating bad policy?
You do realise Lionel is being ironic in the snippets you’ve quoted?
The Iraq war I wasnt.
That is tony Blair's legacy.
The financial crash was nothing to do with labour ,yet they still got the blame.
This gmnt have just responsibility for absolutely nothing.
I’ve never seen Labour accept responsibility for the Iraq war.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/06/chilcot-report-2003-iraq-war-was-unnecessary-and-invasion-was-no/
Obviously "
The report was published in 2016. I’ve not seen anyone from Blair’s government apologise for taking taking this country into the war, in fact Blair himself was unrepentant. |
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Tbh I'm not sure I could even be bothered arguing with anyone who can ,with a straight face, say the responsibility of the iraq conflict isnt laid at the door of the labour party and in particular tony Blair.
Even labour voters see them as culpable. |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"Tbh I'm not sure I could even be bothered arguing with anyone who can ,with a straight face, say the responsibility of the iraq conflict isnt laid at the door of the labour party and in particular tony Blair.
Even labour voters see them as culpable."
Well there’s a first, we agree on something. |
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