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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives." No but the Tories sure clapped and cheered when they defeated the bill to give NHS workers a pay rise. Lovely people. | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives." Didn’t they clap? | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives." Caring has nothing to do with conservatives. Mat Handcock stands at the despatch box, praises them whilst wearing his NHS badge, then offers the people who he's just praised to the heavens a whopping 1% | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Didn’t they clap? " Oh Dear - connecting nothing with something - keep up. | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. No but the Tories sure clapped and cheered when they defeated the bill to give NHS workers a pay rise. Lovely people." Boris got pictured at no 10 clapping with the woman who started the campaign But it wasmt political. | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Caring has nothing to do with conservatives. Mat Handcock stands at the despatch box, praises them whilst wearing his NHS badge, then offers the people who he's just praised to the heavens a whopping 1%" Clapping for carers had NOTHING to do with the Conservatives. | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. No but the Tories sure clapped and cheered when they defeated the bill to give NHS workers a pay rise. Lovely people. Boris got pictured at no 10 clapping with the woman who started the campaign But it wasmt political." Clapping for carers had NOTHING to do with the Conservatives. | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Caring has nothing to do with conservatives. Mat Handcock stands at the despatch box, praises them whilst wearing his NHS badge, then offers the people who he's just praised to the heavens a whopping 1%" After everything they have done you would think even the most ardent tory would be mildly critical. Let's just see how many of them are... | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Caring has nothing to do with conservatives. Mat Handcock stands at the despatch box, praises them whilst wearing his NHS badge, then offers the people who he's just praised to the heavens a whopping 1% After everything they have done you would think even the most ardent tory would be mildly critical. Let's just see how many of them are..." Clapping for carers had NOTHING to do with the Conservatives. I'm actually NOT a Tory. | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Didn’t they clap? Oh Dear - connecting nothing with something - keep up." Did they clap or not? Simple question | |||
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"And do you recall that the woman who started it stopped it because she said she didn't want Politics involved in it. Clapping for carers had NOTHING to do with the Conservatives." Apart from all those photo opportunities they grasped 1% | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Didn’t they clap? Oh Dear - connecting nothing with something - keep up. Did they clap or not? Simple question " Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Simple answer. | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Caring has nothing to do with conservatives. Mat Handcock stands at the despatch box, praises them whilst wearing his NHS badge, then offers the people who he's just praised to the heavens a whopping 1% After everything they have done you would think even the most ardent tory would be mildly critical. Let's just see how many of them are... Clapping for carers had NOTHING to do with the Conservatives. I'm actually NOT a Tory. " You are missing the point Anyway I'm waiting for the cavalcade of crotiscm from the fan club | |||
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" You are missing the point " hahahaah says the head of anti-uk resources. | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Didn’t they clap? Oh Dear - connecting nothing with something - keep up. Did they clap or not? Simple question Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Simple answer. " They used it for their politics though. IE. Don't worry about us fucking them over about the pay rise thing. Let's all go out and clap instead. | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Didn’t they clap? Oh Dear - connecting nothing with something - keep up. Did they clap or not? Simple question Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Simple answer. They used it for their politics though. IE. Don't worry about us fucking them over about the pay rise thing. Let's all go out and clap instead. " Oh dear more connections to non connections | |||
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" You are missing the point hahahaah says the head of anti-uk resources." Do you agree with the 1% pay rise? Do you think its consistent messege the gmnt have said throughout the pandemic about supporting the NHS? | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Didn’t they clap? Oh Dear - connecting nothing with something - keep up. Did they clap or not? Simple question Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Simple answer. " Why didn’t they give them a fair and deserved pay rise? And prove they appreciated all the hard work they have done during the pandemic . Clapping them and not rewarding them is 2 faced | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Didn’t they clap? Oh Dear - connecting nothing with something - keep up. Did they clap or not? Simple question Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Simple answer. Why didn’t they give them a fair and deserved pay rise? And prove they appreciated all the hard work they have done during the pandemic . Clapping them and not rewarding them is 2 faced " Ask them. You can write to Downing Street Direct Search google how to. | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Didn’t they clap? Oh Dear - connecting nothing with something - keep up. Did they clap or not? Simple question Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Simple answer. Why didn’t they give them a fair and deserved pay rise? And prove they appreciated all the hard work they have done during the pandemic . Clapping them and not rewarding them is 2 faced Ask them. You can write to Downing Street Direct Search google how to. " Do you agree and support their decision to award them a 1% pay rise? | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Didn’t they clap? Oh Dear - connecting nothing with something - keep up. Did they clap or not? Simple question Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Simple answer. They used it for their politics though. IE. Don't worry about us fucking them over about the pay rise thing. Let's all go out and clap instead. Oh dear more connections to non connections" These comments don't change the facts about what happened. | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Didn’t they clap? Oh Dear - connecting nothing with something - keep up. Did they clap or not? Simple question Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Simple answer. They used it for their politics though. IE. Don't worry about us fucking them over about the pay rise thing. Let's all go out and clap instead. Oh dear more connections to non connections These comments don't change the facts about what happened." I said: Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. What you are getting from that answer is anything BUT that answer !!! | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Didn’t they clap? Oh Dear - connecting nothing with something - keep up. Did they clap or not? Simple question Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Simple answer. They used it for their politics though. IE. Don't worry about us fucking them over about the pay rise thing. Let's all go out and clap instead. Oh dear more connections to non connections These comments don't change the facts about what happened. I said: Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. What you are getting from that answer is anything BUT that answer !!!" I'm not asking you any questions. This is a forum. We're trying to discuss something. | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Didn’t they clap? Oh Dear - connecting nothing with something - keep up. Did they clap or not? Simple question Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Simple answer. They used it for their politics though. IE. Don't worry about us fucking them over about the pay rise thing. Let's all go out and clap instead. Oh dear more connections to non connections These comments don't change the facts about what happened. I said: Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. What you are getting from that answer is anything BUT that answer !!!" Cough Photo opportunities Cough Mat Handcock with his little NHS badge Cough | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Didn’t they clap? Oh Dear - connecting nothing with something - keep up. Did they clap or not? Simple question Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Simple answer. They used it for their politics though. IE. Don't worry about us fucking them over about the pay rise thing. Let's all go out and clap instead. Oh dear more connections to non connections These comments don't change the facts about what happened. I said: Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. What you are getting from that answer is anything BUT that answer !!!" Your very tetchy, why are you using BLOCK CAPITALS? the tories keep saying how amazing the NHS have been, they were seen clapping and supporting there work, yet they can’t give them a decent pay rise? Hypocrites | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Didn’t they clap? Oh Dear - connecting nothing with something - keep up. Did they clap or not? Simple question Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Simple answer. They used it for their politics though. IE. Don't worry about us fucking them over about the pay rise thing. Let's all go out and clap instead. Oh dear more connections to non connections These comments don't change the facts about what happened. I said: Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. What you are getting from that answer is anything BUT that answer !!! Your very tetchy, why are you using BLOCK CAPITALS? the tories keep saying how amazing the NHS have been, they were seen clapping and supporting there work, yet they can’t give them a decent pay rise? Hypocrites " Name calling again? tetchy am I - okay if you think so - But I said . . . Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Go back to the second post above, and you can see that. Now if you asked me to comment about the 1% pay rise I would have said: 'Nope that is not fair . . . but I actually was replying to the OP that . . . Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. So the lesson here is STOP (tetchy) adding things that I NEVER (tetchy) said.  | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Didn’t they clap? Oh Dear - connecting nothing with something - keep up. Did they clap or not? Simple question Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Simple answer. They used it for their politics though. IE. Don't worry about us fucking them over about the pay rise thing. Let's all go out and clap instead. Oh dear more connections to non connections These comments don't change the facts about what happened. I said: Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. What you are getting from that answer is anything BUT that answer !!! Your very tetchy, why are you using BLOCK CAPITALS? the tories keep saying how amazing the NHS have been, they were seen clapping and supporting there work, yet they can’t give them a decent pay rise? Hypocrites Name calling again? tetchy am I - okay if you think so - But I said . . . Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Go back to the second post above, and you can see that. Now if you asked me to comment about the 1% pay rise I would have said: 'Nope that is not fair . . . but I actually was replying to the OP that . . . Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. So the lesson here is STOP (tetchy) adding things that I NEVER (tetchy) said. "PMSL, the pathetic 1 % pay rise has every thing to do with the tories. Why would you clap them every week and then not have the decency to reward them, hypocrites | |||
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"There is no 1% payrise for NHS staff. The 1% figure is one that the Goverment have submitted to the Independent Pay Review Body that sets NHS pay. Its upto them to decide on the level of pay. Nothing has been decided yet. The RCN have called for a 12.5% rise for their members. " so there’s no 1% pay rise and people are going overboard before it’s been agreed no fucking way not on here never pmfsl | |||
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"There is no 1% payrise for NHS staff. The 1% figure is one that the Goverment have submitted to the Independent Pay Review Body that sets NHS pay. Its upto them to decide on the level of pay. Nothing has been decided yet. The RCN have called for a 12.5% rise for their members. " Why have they submitted such a pathetically low figure? | |||
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"There is no 1% payrise for NHS staff. The 1% figure is one that the Goverment have submitted to the Independent Pay Review Body that sets NHS pay. Its upto them to decide on the level of pay. Nothing has been decided yet. The RCN have called for a 12.5% rise for their members. so there’s no 1% pay rise and people are going overboard before it’s been agreed no fucking way not on here never pmfsl " You realise that is what the gmnt have recommended? | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. No but the Tories sure clapped and cheered when they defeated the bill to give NHS workers a pay rise. Lovely people." FAKE NEWS. Here is what actually happened. Website care of Lionel who used it on an earlier thread today!  | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. No but the Tories sure clapped and cheered when they defeated the bill to give NHS workers a pay rise. Lovely people. FAKE NEWS. Here is what actually happened. Website care of Lionel who used it on an earlier thread today! "What is fake news? | |||
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"What a great thread for perfectly demonstrating Tory voters. Tory government does something that is obviously unfair, and they quibble about irrelevant details rather than actually address the substance of the issue. " Deflection is their MO | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Didn’t they clap? Oh Dear - connecting nothing with something - keep up. Did they clap or not? Simple question Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Simple answer. They used it for their politics though. IE. Don't worry about us fucking them over about the pay rise thing. Let's all go out and clap instead. Oh dear more connections to non connections These comments don't change the facts about what happened. I said: Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. What you are getting from that answer is anything BUT that answer !!! Your very tetchy, why are you using BLOCK CAPITALS? the tories keep saying how amazing the NHS have been, they were seen clapping and supporting there work, yet they can’t give them a decent pay rise? Hypocrites Name calling again? tetchy am I - okay if you think so - But I said . . . Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Go back to the second post above, and you can see that. Now if you asked me to comment about the 1% pay rise I would have said: 'Nope that is not fair . . . but I actually was replying to the OP that . . . Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. So the lesson here is STOP (tetchy) adding things that I NEVER (tetchy) said.
PMSL, the pathetic 1 % pay rise has every thing to do with the tories. Why would you clap them every week and then not have the decency to reward them, hypocrites "Read it properly: Name calling again? tetchy am I - okay if you think so - But I said . . . Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Go back to the second post above, and you can see that. Now if you asked me to comment about the 1% pay rise I would have said: 'Nope that is not fair . . . but I actually was replying to the OP that . . . Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. So the lesson here is STOP (tetchy) adding things that I NEVER (tetchy) said. | |||
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"Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Didn’t they clap? Oh Dear - connecting nothing with something - keep up. Did they clap or not? Simple question Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Simple answer. They used it for their politics though. IE. Don't worry about us fucking them over about the pay rise thing. Let's all go out and clap instead. Oh dear more connections to non connections These comments don't change the facts about what happened. I said: Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. What you are getting from that answer is anything BUT that answer !!! Your very tetchy, why are you using BLOCK CAPITALS? the tories keep saying how amazing the NHS have been, they were seen clapping and supporting there work, yet they can’t give them a decent pay rise? Hypocrites Name calling again? tetchy am I - okay if you think so - But I said . . . Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. Go back to the second post above, and you can see that. Now if you asked me to comment about the 1% pay rise I would have said: 'Nope that is not fair . . . but I actually was replying to the OP that . . . Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives. So the lesson here is STOP (tetchy) adding things that I NEVER (tetchy) said.
PMSL, the pathetic 1 % pay rise has every thing to do with the tories. Why would you clap them every week and then not have the decency to reward them, hypocrites
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Name calling again? tetchy am I - okay if you think so - But I said . . .
Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives.
Go back to the second post above, and you can see that.
Now if you asked me to comment about the 1% pay rise I would have said: 'Nope that is not fair . . .
but I actually was replying to the OP that . . .
Clapping for carers had nothing to do with the conservatives.
So the lesson here is STOP (tetchy) adding things that I NEVER (tetchy) said."O dear, you seem to be arguing over irrelevant semantics . The tories praised , clapped and thanked the NHS yet only offered them a 1 % pay rise, hypocrites. Do you think the NHS deserve a better deal? Or don’t you care and would rather argue about who ‘created the clapping for carers idea’ ? | |||
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"This isn't going to be a popular question but; With the biggest recession in 300 years looming, numerous businesses going to the wall, huge numbers of people unemployed, a massive blackhole in the countrys finances, tax rises for most a distinct possibility and the people in the middle income brackets facing the biggest squeeze, is now really the time to be awarding pay rises to public sector workers?" yes it is nurses yes doctors no they earn enough carers yes there wage is pathetic key shop workers yes they been in the thick of it throughout it’s only fair when people been getting 80% for fuckall safe and sound at home | |||
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"This isn't going to be a popular question but; With the biggest recession in 300 years looming, numerous businesses going to the wall, huge numbers of people unemployed, a massive blackhole in the countrys finances, tax rises for most a distinct possibility and the people in the middle income brackets facing the biggest squeeze, is now really the time to be awarding pay rises to public sector workers?" Yes, steering away from some of the childish bickering above and asking a serious but unpopular question, as well as whether we should be giving anyone a pay rise right now, can we actually afford to give anyone a pay rise? I'd love to see all those key workers get a nice juicy pay rise. All those people who never get noticed but suddenly we all wanted to clap for. The nurses, the bus drivers, the essential shop workers... But where does the money come from? | |||
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"This isn't going to be a popular question but; With the biggest recession in 300 years looming, numerous businesses going to the wall, huge numbers of people unemployed, a massive blackhole in the countrys finances, tax rises for most a distinct possibility and the people in the middle income brackets facing the biggest squeeze, is now really the time to be awarding pay rises to public sector workers? Yes, steering away from some of the childish bickering above and asking a serious but unpopular question, as well as whether we should be giving anyone a pay rise right now, can we actually afford to give anyone a pay rise? I'd love to see all those key workers get a nice juicy pay rise. All those people who never get noticed but suddenly we all wanted to clap for. The nurses, the bus drivers, the essential shop workers... But where does the money come from? " I don’t care who pays for it aslong as they get what they deserve | |||
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"This isn't going to be a popular question but; With the biggest recession in 300 years looming, numerous businesses going to the wall, huge numbers of people unemployed, a massive blackhole in the countrys finances, tax rises for most a distinct possibility and the people in the middle income brackets facing the biggest squeeze, is now really the time to be awarding pay rises to public sector workers?" Well considering they have just had a 6 year one... | |||
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"This isn't going to be a popular question but; With the biggest recession in 300 years looming, numerous businesses going to the wall, huge numbers of people unemployed, a massive blackhole in the countrys finances, tax rises for most a distinct possibility and the people in the middle income brackets facing the biggest squeeze, is now really the time to be awarding pay rises to public sector workers? Yes, steering away from some of the childish bickering above and asking a serious but unpopular question, as well as whether we should be giving anyone a pay rise right now, can we actually afford to give anyone a pay rise? I'd love to see all those key workers get a nice juicy pay rise. All those people who never get noticed but suddenly we all wanted to clap for. The nurses, the bus drivers, the essential shop workers... But where does the money come from? " Do you not find it strange that when we want to find the moment for the likes of trident.. or hs2..or foreign wars.. its always there..yet a modest pay rise is out of the question If we were that skint why not ask the likes of amazon to pay their fair share of tax.? | |||
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"This isn't going to be a popular question but; With the biggest recession in 300 years looming, numerous businesses going to the wall, huge numbers of people unemployed, a massive blackhole in the countrys finances, tax rises for most a distinct possibility and the people in the middle income brackets facing the biggest squeeze, is now really the time to be awarding pay rises to public sector workers? Yes, steering away from some of the childish bickering above and asking a serious but unpopular question, as well as whether we should be giving anyone a pay rise right now, can we actually afford to give anyone a pay rise? I'd love to see all those key workers get a nice juicy pay rise. All those people who never get noticed but suddenly we all wanted to clap for. The nurses, the bus drivers, the essential shop workers... But where does the money come from? " Cut trident by 1/4. Done. | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years "Did you look at the graph at the end of the article? | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Did you look at the graph at the end of the article? "Did you read the graph? | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years "Are you saying there was no public sector pay freeze from 2010? | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Did you look at the graph at the end of the article?
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Are you saying there was no public sector pay freeze from 2010?"The information is available. Ibe just shown you proof for nurses and yet you still come back with yet another question. In real terms a lot of public sector workers are down, just as a lot of private sector workers are too. That doesn't take away the fact that the pay hasn't been frozen. If you have the proof then by all means show it, otherwise stop making false claims. | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Did you look at the graph at the end of the article?
Did you read the graph?
Yep "Then you agree with me? Seeing as the graph moves upwards | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-41241295 It depended where you worked Some last 3 years.. some got a whopping 1% but the pay cap to still in place in 2021." So a pay cap, not a freeze | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Are you saying there was no public sector pay freeze from 2010?
The information is available. Ibe just shown you proof for nurses and yet you still come back with yet another question.
In real terms a lot of public sector workers are down, just as a lot of private sector workers are too.
That doesn't take away the fact that the pay hasn't been frozen.
If you have the proof then by all means show it, otherwise stop making false claims."I'll simply ask again So avoiding to you there was no pay freeze? Does working in the private sector count as 'proof? | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-41241295 It depended where you worked Some last 3 years.. some got a whopping 1% but the pay cap to still in place in 2021. So a pay cap, not a freeze "I suggest you read the article There was a 3 year pay freeze Then if you are lucky you got 1% In the last 10 years the average pay has probally gone up by 4 or 5% | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Are you saying there was no public sector pay freeze from 2010?
The information is available. Ibe just shown you proof for nurses and yet you still come back with yet another question.
In real terms a lot of public sector workers are down, just as a lot of private sector workers are too.
That doesn't take away the fact that the pay hasn't been frozen.
If you have the proof then by all means show it, otherwise stop making false claims.
I'll simply ask again
So avoiding to you there was no pay freeze?
Does working in the private sector count as 'proof?"I provided proof for nurses from full fact. Your own link shows increases | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Did you look at the graph at the end of the article?
Did you read the graph?
Yep
Then you agree with me? Seeing as the graph moves upwards "No it doesn’t , both lines are lower that where they started. It begins in 2010 | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Are you saying there was no public sector pay freeze from 2010?
The information is available. Ibe just shown you proof for nurses and yet you still come back with yet another question.
In real terms a lot of public sector workers are down, just as a lot of private sector workers are too.
That doesn't take away the fact that the pay hasn't been frozen.
If you have the proof then by all means show it, otherwise stop making false claims.
I'll simply ask again
So avoiding to you there was no pay freeze?
Does working in the private sector count as 'proof?
I provided proof for nurses from full fact. Your own link shows increases "Lower that 2010 levels | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Are you saying there was no public sector pay freeze from 2010?
The information is available. Ibe just shown you proof for nurses and yet you still come back with yet another question.
In real terms a lot of public sector workers are down, just as a lot of private sector workers are too.
That doesn't take away the fact that the pay hasn't been frozen.
If you have the proof then by all means show it, otherwise stop making false claims.
I'll simply ask again
So avoiding to you there was no pay freeze?
Does working in the private sector count as 'proof?
I provided proof for nurses from full fact. Your own link shows increases "https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/22/budget-public-sector-cuts-pay Sigh | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Did you look at the graph at the end of the article?
Did you read the graph?
Yep
Then you agree with me? Seeing as the graph moves upwards
No it doesn’t , both lines are lower that where they started. It begins in 2010 "They are indeed. But for the last 3/4 years have been going up. Lionel keeps saying there has been a pay freeze for the last 5 years. | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Are you saying there was no public sector pay freeze from 2010?
The information is available. Ibe just shown you proof for nurses and yet you still come back with yet another question.
In real terms a lot of public sector workers are down, just as a lot of private sector workers are too.
That doesn't take away the fact that the pay hasn't been frozen.
If you have the proof then by all means show it, otherwise stop making false claims.
I'll simply ask again
So avoiding to you there was no pay freeze?
Does working in the private sector count as 'proof?
I provided proof for nurses from full fact. Your own link shows increases
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/22/budget-public-sector-cuts-pay
Sigh "That was 10 years ago. Right after the global financial crisis | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Did you look at the graph at the end of the article?
Did you read the graph?
Yep
Then you agree with me? Seeing as the graph moves upwards
No it doesn’t , both lines are lower that where they started. It begins in 2010
They are indeed. But for the last 3/4 years have been going up.
Lionel keeps saying there has been a pay freeze for the last 5 years.
"Did you not read the bit which clearly stayed public sector pay had been frozen for 2 years..which became 3? | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Did you look at the graph at the end of the article?
Did you read the graph?
Yep
Then you agree with me? Seeing as the graph moves upwards
No it doesn’t , both lines are lower that where they started. It begins in 2010
They are indeed. But for the last 3/4 years have been going up.
Lionel keeps saying there has been a pay freeze for the last 5 years.
Did you not read the bit which clearly stayed public sector pay had been frozen for 2 years..which became 3?"Yes 10 years ago. Just admit that you like to make things up and I'll go away | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Are you saying there was no public sector pay freeze from 2010?
The information is available. Ibe just shown you proof for nurses and yet you still come back with yet another question.
In real terms a lot of public sector workers are down, just as a lot of private sector workers are too.
That doesn't take away the fact that the pay hasn't been frozen.
If you have the proof then by all means show it, otherwise stop making false claims.
I'll simply ask again
So avoiding to you there was no pay freeze?
Does working in the private sector count as 'proof?
I provided proof for nurses from full fact. Your own link shows increases
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/22/budget-public-sector-cuts-pay
Sigh
That was 10 years ago. Right after the global financial crisis"Hence why I asked you the question..which you havemt answered .was there a public sector pay freeze in 2010? | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Are you saying there was no public sector pay freeze from 2010?
The information is available. Ibe just shown you proof for nurses and yet you still come back with yet another question.
In real terms a lot of public sector workers are down, just as a lot of private sector workers are too.
That doesn't take away the fact that the pay hasn't been frozen.
If you have the proof then by all means show it, otherwise stop making false claims.
I'll simply ask again
So avoiding to you there was no pay freeze?
Does working in the private sector count as 'proof?
I provided proof for nurses from full fact. Your own link shows increases
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/22/budget-public-sector-cuts-pay
Sigh
That was 10 years ago. Right after the global financial crisis
Hence why I asked you the question..which you havemt answered .was there a public sector pay freeze in 2010?"I have answered that question. But that was still 10 years ago | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Did you look at the graph at the end of the article?
Did you read the graph?
Yep
Then you agree with me? Seeing as the graph moves upwards
No it doesn’t , both lines are lower that where they started. It begins in 2010
They are indeed. But for the last 3/4 years have been going up.
Lionel keeps saying there has been a pay freeze for the last 5 years.
Did you not read the bit which clearly stayed public sector pay had been frozen for 2 years..which became 3?
Yes 10 years ago. Just admit that you like to make things up and I'll go away "Ha ha ha Superb Because the pay freeze was 10 years ago it doesmt count Epic again
Despite you arguing the toss there was no pay freeze | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Are you saying there was no public sector pay freeze from 2010?
The information is available. Ibe just shown you proof for nurses and yet you still come back with yet another question.
In real terms a lot of public sector workers are down, just as a lot of private sector workers are too.
That doesn't take away the fact that the pay hasn't been frozen.
If you have the proof then by all means show it, otherwise stop making false claims.
I'll simply ask again
So avoiding to you there was no pay freeze?
Does working in the private sector count as 'proof?
I provided proof for nurses from full fact. Your own link shows increases
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/22/budget-public-sector-cuts-pay
Sigh
That was 10 years ago. Right after the global financial crisis"And? | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Are you saying there was no public sector pay freeze from 2010?
The information is available. Ibe just shown you proof for nurses and yet you still come back with yet another question.
In real terms a lot of public sector workers are down, just as a lot of private sector workers are too.
That doesn't take away the fact that the pay hasn't been frozen.
If you have the proof then by all means show it, otherwise stop making false claims.
I'll simply ask again
So avoiding to you there was no pay freeze?
Does working in the private sector count as 'proof?
I provided proof for nurses from full fact. Your own link shows increases
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/22/budget-public-sector-cuts-pay
Sigh
That was 10 years ago. Right after the global financial crisis
Hence why I asked you the question..which you havemt answered .was there a public sector pay freeze in 2010?
I have answered that question. But that was still 10 years ago"Right so your argument has mow moved from.. there was no pay freeze (there was)to..it was 10 years ago it doesmt count? | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Did you look at the graph at the end of the article?
Did you read the graph?
Yep
Then you agree with me? Seeing as the graph moves upwards
No it doesn’t , both lines are lower that where they started. It begins in 2010
They are indeed. But for the last 3/4 years have been going up.
Lionel keeps saying there has been a pay freeze for the last 5 years.
Did you not read the bit which clearly stayed public sector pay had been frozen for 2 years..which became 3?
Yes 10 years ago. Just admit that you like to make things up and I'll go away
Ha ha ha
Superb
Because the pay freeze was 10 years ago it doesmt count
Epic again
Despite you arguing the toss there was no pay freeze "I'm arguing the toss that there hasn't been freezes for the last 5 years. It's quite important that if you wanna use something as fact that it is actually fact | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Are you saying there was no public sector pay freeze from 2010?
The information is available. Ibe just shown you proof for nurses and yet you still come back with yet another question.
In real terms a lot of public sector workers are down, just as a lot of private sector workers are too.
That doesn't take away the fact that the pay hasn't been frozen.
If you have the proof then by all means show it, otherwise stop making false claims.
I'll simply ask again
So avoiding to you there was no pay freeze?
Does working in the private sector count as 'proof?
I provided proof for nurses from full fact. Your own link shows increases
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/22/budget-public-sector-cuts-pay
Sigh
That was 10 years ago. Right after the global financial crisis
Hence why I asked you the question..which you havemt answered .was there a public sector pay freeze in 2010?
I have answered that question. But that was still 10 years ago
Right so your argument has mow moved from.. there was no pay freeze (there was)to..it was 10 years ago it doesmt count?"My argument hasn't moved at all. I never disputed there wasn't a freeze 10 years ago. Get it right, will you | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Did you look at the graph at the end of the article?
Did you read the graph?
Yep
Then you agree with me? Seeing as the graph moves upwards
No it doesn’t , both lines are lower that where they started. It begins in 2010
They are indeed. But for the last 3/4 years have been going up.
Lionel keeps saying there has been a pay freeze for the last 5 years.
Did you not read the bit which clearly stayed public sector pay had been frozen for 2 years..which became 3?
Yes 10 years ago. Just admit that you like to make things up and I'll go away
Ha ha ha
Superb
Because the pay freeze was 10 years ago it doesmt count
Epic again
Despite you arguing the toss there was no pay freeze
I'm arguing the toss that there hasn't been freezes for the last 5 years.
It's quite important that if you wanna use something as fact that it is actually fact"Ha ha ha no one said there had been pay feeezes for the last 5 years I said there had been a public sector pay freeze for 5 years..as I've said previously.. this was actually 3 for some departments.. (from 2010)others it lasted for 5.There has been a pay cap for the last 10 years but your attempted to argue the toss over semantics is truly breathtaking. Well done | |||
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"Anyway, night boys. It's been a fun 10 mins "Lols Epic | |||
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"Anyway, night boys. It's been a fun 10 mins "It is amazing that you posted a link that proves the opposite of what you said, | |||
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"Those fun loving conservatives, get out on the streets, clap for carer's, yay, go carer's Then offer a 1% payrise. What lovely people." Discusting should be 5% paid for by reducing the crazy wages of GP's who have been very poor in the pandemic | |||
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"Those fun loving conservatives, get out on the streets, clap for carer's, yay, go carer's Then offer a 1% payrise. What lovely people.Discusting should be 5% paid for by reducing the crazy wages of GP's who have been very poor in the pandemic "
Don't vote Tory. | |||
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"Those fun loving conservatives, get out on the streets, clap for carer's, yay, go carer's Then offer a 1% payrise. What lovely people.Discusting should be 5% paid for by reducing the crazy wages of GP's who have been very poor in the pandemic
Don't vote Tory."More reasons to vote Tory than vote for Corbyn last election.Itis only because of covid I believe nurses should get more | |||
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"Those fun loving conservatives, get out on the streets, clap for carer's, yay, go carer's Then offer a 1% payrise. What lovely people.Discusting should be 5% paid for by reducing the crazy wages of GP's who have been very poor in the pandemic
Don't vote Tory.More reasons to vote Tory than vote for Corbyn last election.Itis only because of covid I believe nurses should get more"So your message is - vote Tory to fuck over nurses. Something about Corbyn.
Don't vote Tory. | |||
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"Those fun loving conservatives, get out on the streets, clap for carer's, yay, go carer's Then offer a 1% payrise. What lovely people.Discusting should be 5% paid for by reducing the crazy wages of GP's who have been very poor in the pandemic
Don't vote Tory.More reasons to vote Tory than vote for Corbyn last election.Itis only because of covid I believe nurses should get more"Tories won’t give nurses a decent pay increase, Corbyns to blame, | |||
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"Those fun loving conservatives, get out on the streets, clap for carer's, yay, go carer's Then offer a 1% payrise. What lovely people.Discusting should be 5% paid for by reducing the crazy wages of GP's who have been very poor in the pandemic
Don't vote Tory.More reasons to vote Tory than vote for Corbyn last election.Itis only because of covid I believe nurses should get more
Tories won’t give nurses a decent pay increase, Corbyns to blame, "Well Corbyn is to blame why Labour lost the last two General Elections. | |||
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"Those fun loving conservatives, get out on the streets, clap for carer's, yay, go carer's Then offer a 1% payrise. What lovely people.Discusting should be 5% paid for by reducing the crazy wages of GP's who have been very poor in the pandemic
Don't vote Tory.More reasons to vote Tory than vote for Corbyn last election.Itis only because of covid I believe nurses should get more
Tories won’t give nurses a decent pay increase, Corbyns to blame,
Well Corbyn is to blame why Labour lost the last two General Elections."Is Corbyn to blame for the pathetic 1% pay rise the government have offered? | |||
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"Those fun loving conservatives, get out on the streets, clap for carer's, yay, go carer's Then offer a 1% payrise. What lovely people.Discusting should be 5% paid for by reducing the crazy wages of GP's who have been very poor in the pandemic
Don't vote Tory.More reasons to vote Tory than vote for Corbyn last election.Itis only because of covid I believe nurses should get more
Tories won’t give nurses a decent pay increase, Corbyns to blame,
Well Corbyn is to blame why Labour lost the last two General Elections.
Is Corbyn to blame for the pathetic 1% pay rise the government have offered? "yes him and his ex mates left the conservatives with an empty cookie jar and even left a note laughing about it, if they had left some money in the pot and the conservatives could have added to that wed be in a better place now, but jezza spent it on beard dye and hair cuts, and lawyers costs for his lame bruv, boris would never do that, just face facts boris is twice/ three times the man, even covid couldnt stop him lol and yes of course im taking the piss because everyone throws out rubbish on this site in the same manner they throw plastic bottles onto roundabouts!  | |||
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"Come on Chat shit for 5 mins Get found out Beat a hasty retreat Classic " Chat shit and get found out? There was a 2/3 year pay freeze, 10 years ago - this is past tense. Your exact words were 'Well considering they have just had a 6 year one...' - this is present tense. Spoken as if fact today. Unless you can show me proof that this present tense is indeed true, I think this conversation is over | |||
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"Come on Chat shit for 5 mins Get found out Beat a hasty retreat Classic Chat shit and get found out? There was a 2/3 year pay freeze, 10 years ago - this is past tense. Your exact words were 'Well considering they have just had a 6 year one...' - this is present tense. Spoken as if fact today. Unless you can show me proof that this present tense is indeed true, I think this conversation is over "You claimed there had been no pay freeze You then retracted and said oh it was 10 years ago (I had asked you previously do you deny there was a pay freeze from 2010) Embarassing And another example of muddying the waters as opposed to dealing with the actual issue | |||
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"Those fun loving conservatives, get out on the streets, clap for carer's, yay, go carer's Then offer a 1% payrise. What lovely people.Discusting should be 5% paid for by reducing the crazy wages of GP's who have been very poor in the pandemic
Don't vote Tory.More reasons to vote Tory than vote for Corbyn last election.Itis only because of covid I believe nurses should get more
So your message is - vote Tory to fuck over nurses. Something about Corbyn.
Don't vote Tory."Makes sense | |||
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"Those fun loving conservatives, get out on the streets, clap for carer's, yay, go carer's Then offer a 1% payrise. What lovely people.Discusting should be 5% paid for by reducing the crazy wages of GP's who have been very poor in the pandemic
Don't vote Tory.More reasons to vote Tory than vote for Corbyn last election.Itis only because of covid I believe nurses should get more
Tories won’t give nurses a decent pay increase, Corbyns to blame,
Well Corbyn is to blame why Labour lost the last two General Elections."Wanna explain how that is relevant to a 1% pay rise? | |||
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"In 2010, the Coalition Government announced a two-year pay freeze from 2011/12. Following cuts to local government funding, local government workers were subject to a three-year pay freeze. From 2013/14 to 2017/18 public sector pay awards were capped at an average of 1%. This policy was lifted in 2017 and from 2018/19 to 2020/21 the parts of the public sector that are covered by the PRBs received pay rises above 2%. " There is an additional 1 year pay freeze between 2020 and 2021. | |||
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"Those fun loving conservatives, get out on the streets, clap for carer's, yay, go carer's Then offer a 1% payrise. What lovely people.Discusting should be 5% paid for by reducing the crazy wages of GP's who have been very poor in the pandemic
Don't vote Tory.More reasons to vote Tory than vote for Corbyn last election.Itis only because of covid I believe nurses should get more
Tories won’t give nurses a decent pay increase, Corbyns to blame,
Well Corbyn is to blame why Labour lost the last two General Elections.
Is Corbyn to blame for the pathetic 1% pay rise the government have offered?
yes him and his ex mates left the conservatives with an empty cookie jar and even left a note laughing about it, if they had left some money in the pot and the conservatives could have added to that wed be in a better place now, but jezza spent it on beard dye and hair cuts, and lawyers costs for his lame bruv, boris would never do that, just face facts boris is twice/ three times the man, even covid couldnt stop him lol and yes of course im taking the piss because everyone throws out rubbish on this site in the same manner they throw plastic bottles onto roundabouts! " | |||
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"Come on Chat shit for 5 mins Get found out Beat a hasty retreat Classic Chat shit and get found out? There was a 2/3 year pay freeze, 10 years ago - this is past tense. Your exact words were 'Well considering they have just had a 6 year one...' - this is present tense. Spoken as if fact today. Unless you can show me proof that this present tense is indeed true, I think this conversation is over
You claimed there had been no pay freeze
You then retracted and said oh it was 10 years ago (I had asked you previously do you deny there was a pay freeze from 2010)
Embarassing
And another example of muddying the waters as opposed to dealing with the actual issue "I didn't claim anything. I asked for you to quit claiming there has been a pay freeze for the last 5 years. The only bit I got wrong is you actually said 6 years. | |||
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"Come on Chat shit for 5 mins Get found out Beat a hasty retreat Classic Chat shit and get found out? There was a 2/3 year pay freeze, 10 years ago - this is past tense. Your exact words were 'Well considering they have just had a 6 year one...' - this is present tense. Spoken as if fact today. Unless you can show me proof that this present tense is indeed true, I think this conversation is over
You claimed there had been no pay freeze
You then retracted and said oh it was 10 years ago (I had asked you previously do you deny there was a pay freeze from 2010)
Embarassing
And another example of muddying the waters as opposed to dealing with the actual issue
I didn't claim anything. I asked for you to quit claiming there has been a pay freeze for the last 5 years.
The only bit I got wrong is you actually said 6 years."When in you in a hole try to stop digging. You denied there was a pay freeze. You were completely wrong. | |||
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"In 2010, the Coalition Government announced a two-year pay freeze from 2011/12. Following cuts to local government funding, local government workers were subject to a three-year pay freeze. From 2013/14 to 2017/18 public sector pay awards were capped at an average of 1%. This policy was lifted in 2017 and from 2018/19 to 2020/21 the parts of the public sector that are covered by the PRBs received pay rises above 2%. There is an additional 1 year pay freeze between 2020 and 2021. " For some, not all. | |||
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"Westminster voting intention: CON: 45% (+4) LAB: 32% (-4) GRN: 7% (-) LDEM: 6% (+1) REFUK: 3% (-) via @YouGov 03 - 04 Mar Yet still....................... "The majority of the media favours the Tories. They know this, which is why they can fuck us over time and time again, knowing they'll get voted in again anyway. | |||
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"Those fun loving conservatives, get out on the streets, clap for carer's, yay, go carer's Then offer a 1% payrise. What lovely people.Discusting should be 5% paid for by reducing the crazy wages of GP's who have been very poor in the pandemic
Don't vote Tory.More reasons to vote Tory than vote for Corbyn last election.Itis only because of covid I believe nurses should get more
Tories won’t give nurses a decent pay increase, Corbyns to blame,
Well Corbyn is to blame why Labour lost the last two General Elections.
Is Corbyn to blame for the pathetic 1% pay rise the government have offered?
yes him and his ex mates left the conservatives with an empty cookie jar and even left a note laughing about it, if they had left some money in the pot and the conservatives could have added to that wed be in a better place now, but jezza spent it on beard dye and hair cuts, and lawyers costs for his lame bruv, boris would never do that, just face facts boris is twice/ three times the man, even covid couldnt stop him lol and yes of course im taking the piss because everyone throws out rubbish on this site in the same manner they throw plastic bottles onto roundabouts! "Corbyn became labour leader in 2015 The pay freeze began in 2010 He is therefore to blame for something which happened 5 years before he took over. You really should most more pearls of wisdom more often | |||
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"Come on Chat shit for 5 mins Get found out Beat a hasty retreat Classic Chat shit and get found out? There was a 2/3 year pay freeze, 10 years ago - this is past tense. Your exact words were 'Well considering they have just had a 6 year one...' - this is present tense. Spoken as if fact today. Unless you can show me proof that this present tense is indeed true, I think this conversation is over
You claimed there had been no pay freeze
You then retracted and said oh it was 10 years ago (I had asked you previously do you deny there was a pay freeze from 2010)
Embarassing
And another example of muddying the waters as opposed to dealing with the actual issue
I didn't claim anything. I asked for you to quit claiming there has been a pay freeze for the last 5 years.
The only bit I got wrong is you actually said 6 years.
When in you in a hole try to stop digging.
You denied there was a pay freeze.
You were completely wrong."I don't think you can read very well. I've asked you for proof of the present tense. We both know you can't show it | |||
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"In 2010, the Coalition Government announced a two-year pay freeze from 2011/12. Following cuts to local government funding, local government workers were subject to a three-year pay freeze. From 2013/14 to 2017/18 public sector pay awards were capped at an average of 1%. This policy was lifted in 2017 and from 2018/19 to 2020/21 the parts of the public sector that are covered by the PRBs received pay rises above 2%. There is an additional 1 year pay freeze between 2020 and 2021. For some, not all. " There is a general public sector pay feeze for a year. At least. | |||
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"Come on Chat shit for 5 mins Get found out Beat a hasty retreat Classic Chat shit and get found out? There was a 2/3 year pay freeze, 10 years ago - this is past tense. Your exact words were 'Well considering they have just had a 6 year one...' - this is present tense. Spoken as if fact today. Unless you can show me proof that this present tense is indeed true, I think this conversation is over
You claimed there had been no pay freeze
You then retracted and said oh it was 10 years ago (I had asked you previously do you deny there was a pay freeze from 2010)
Embarassing
And another example of muddying the waters as opposed to dealing with the actual issue
I didn't claim anything. I asked for you to quit claiming there has been a pay freeze for the last 5 years.
The only bit I got wrong is you actually said 6 years.
When in you in a hole try to stop digging.
You denied there was a pay freeze.
You were completely wrong.
I don't think you can read very well.
I've asked you for proof of the present tense. We both know you can't show it "Ha ha ha You are arguing bow over what tense I used? Scenes 
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Are you saying there was no public sector pay freeze from 2010?"Still waiting for this question to be answered. | |||
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"In 2010, the Coalition Government announced a two-year pay freeze from 2011/12. Following cuts to local government funding, local government workers were subject to a three-year pay freeze. From 2013/14 to 2017/18 public sector pay awards were capped at an average of 1%. This policy was lifted in 2017 and from 2018/19 to 2020/21 the parts of the public sector that are covered by the PRBs received pay rises above 2%. There is an additional 1 year pay freeze between 2020 and 2021. For some, not all. There is a general public sector pay feeze for a year. At least." NHS workers, and those in the Public Sector earning less than 24k pa, will receive a payrise. | |||
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"In 2010, the Coalition Government announced a two-year pay freeze from 2011/12. Following cuts to local government funding, local government workers were subject to a three-year pay freeze. From 2013/14 to 2017/18 public sector pay awards were capped at an average of 1%. This policy was lifted in 2017 and from 2018/19 to 2020/21 the parts of the public sector that are covered by the PRBs received pay rises above 2%. There is an additional 1 year pay freeze between 2020 and 2021. For some, not all. There is a general public sector pay feeze for a year. At least. NHS workers, and those in the Public Sector earning less than 24k pa, will receive a payrise. " How much? | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Are you saying there was no public sector pay freeze from 2010?
Still waiting for this question to be answered.
"Pretty sure I've indirectly answered that at least twice. I've also said that in real terms they're down. As I stated before, I think you just struggle to read | |||
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"Come on Chat shit for 5 mins Get found out Beat a hasty retreat Classic Chat shit and get found out? There was a 2/3 year pay freeze, 10 years ago - this is past tense. Your exact words were 'Well considering they have just had a 6 year one...' - this is present tense. Spoken as if fact today. Unless you can show me proof that this present tense is indeed true, I think this conversation is over
You claimed there had been no pay freeze
You then retracted and said oh it was 10 years ago (I had asked you previously do you deny there was a pay freeze from 2010)
Embarassing
And another example of muddying the waters as opposed to dealing with the actual issue
I didn't claim anything. I asked for you to quit claiming there has been a pay freeze for the last 5 years.
The only bit I got wrong is you actually said 6 years.
When in you in a hole try to stop digging.
You denied there was a pay freeze.
You were completely wrong.
I don't think you can read very well.
I've asked you for proof of the present tense. We both know you can't show it
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You are arguing bow over what tense I used?
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"Come on Chat shit for 5 mins Get found out Beat a hasty retreat Classic Chat shit and get found out? There was a 2/3 year pay freeze, 10 years ago - this is past tense. Your exact words were 'Well considering they have just had a 6 year one...' - this is present tense. Spoken as if fact today. Unless you can show me proof that this present tense is indeed true, I think this conversation is over
You claimed there had been no pay freeze
You then retracted and said oh it was 10 years ago (I had asked you previously do you deny there was a pay freeze from 2010)
Embarassing
And another example of muddying the waters as opposed to dealing with the actual issue
I didn't claim anything. I asked for you to quit claiming there has been a pay freeze for the last 5 years.
The only bit I got wrong is you actually said 6 years.
When in you in a hole try to stop digging.
You denied there was a pay freeze.
You were completely wrong.
I don't think you can read very well.
I've asked you for proof of the present tense. We both know you can't show it
Ha ha ha
You are arguing bow over what tense I used?
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It's quite important to get the context correct "As the subject matter is about a cynical vicious government revelling the public's care and concern for NHS staff, then the important context is "just how long have they been f*cking over NHS staff" | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Are you saying there was no public sector pay freeze from 2010?
Still waiting for this question to be answered.
Pretty sure I've indirectly answered that at least twice. I've also said that in real terms they're down.
As I stated before, I think you just struggle to read "No you havent. You have spent half the thread arguing the toss over the word just. All the public sector,including the NHS, has been treated like shite over the last decade, which renders the words out of the mouths of the likes of johnson and Hancock worthless. As If that was any great surprise. | |||
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"Come on Chat shit for 5 mins Get found out Beat a hasty retreat Classic Chat shit and get found out? There was a 2/3 year pay freeze, 10 years ago - this is past tense. Your exact words were 'Well considering they have just had a 6 year one...' - this is present tense. Spoken as if fact today. Unless you can show me proof that this present tense is indeed true, I think this conversation is over
You claimed there had been no pay freeze
You then retracted and said oh it was 10 years ago (I had asked you previously do you deny there was a pay freeze from 2010)
Embarassing
And another example of muddying the waters as opposed to dealing with the actual issue
I didn't claim anything. I asked for you to quit claiming there has been a pay freeze for the last 5 years.
The only bit I got wrong is you actually said 6 years.
When in you in a hole try to stop digging.
You denied there was a pay freeze.
You were completely wrong.
I don't think you can read very well.
I've asked you for proof of the present tense. We both know you can't show it
Ha ha ha
You are arguing bow over what tense I used?
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It's quite important to get the context correct
As the subject matter is about a cynical vicious government revelling the public's care and concern for NHS staff, then the important context is "just how long have they been f*cking over NHS staff""No..The real important issue ,is the meaning of the word 'just' | |||
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"In 2010, the Coalition Government announced a two-year pay freeze from 2011/12. Following cuts to local government funding, local government workers were subject to a three-year pay freeze. From 2013/14 to 2017/18 public sector pay awards were capped at an average of 1%. This policy was lifted in 2017 and from 2018/19 to 2020/21 the parts of the public sector that are covered by the PRBs received pay rises above 2%. There is an additional 1 year pay freeze between 2020 and 2021. For some, not all. There is a general public sector pay feeze for a year. At least. NHS workers, and those in the Public Sector earning less than 24k pa, will receive a payrise. How much?" At least £5pw. What that is in percentage terms, i've no idea. | |||
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"https://fullfact.org/health/nurse-pay-may-2020/ This one is just for you Lionel. Stop saying nurses have had pay freezes for 5 years
Are you saying there was no public sector pay freeze from 2010?
Still waiting for this question to be answered.
Pretty sure I've indirectly answered that at least twice. I've also said that in real terms they're down.
As I stated before, I think you just struggle to read
No you havent.
You have spent half the thread arguing the toss over the word just.
All the public sector,including the NHS, has been treated like shite over the last decade, which renders the words out of the mouths of the likes of johnson and Hancock worthless.
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"In 2010, the Coalition Government announced a two-year pay freeze from 2011/12. Following cuts to local government funding, local government workers were subject to a three-year pay freeze. From 2013/14 to 2017/18 public sector pay awards were capped at an average of 1%. This policy was lifted in 2017 and from 2018/19 to 2020/21 the parts of the public sector that are covered by the PRBs received pay rises above 2%. There is an additional 1 year pay freeze between 2020 and 2021. For some, not all. There is a general public sector pay feeze for a year. At least. NHS workers, and those in the Public Sector earning less than 24k pa, will receive a payrise. How much? At least £5pw. What that is in percentage terms, i've no idea. " I thought it was a lump sum of £500 | |||
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"In 2010, the Coalition Government announced a two-year pay freeze from 2011/12. Following cuts to local government funding, local government workers were subject to a three-year pay freeze. From 2013/14 to 2017/18 public sector pay awards were capped at an average of 1%. This policy was lifted in 2017 and from 2018/19 to 2020/21 the parts of the public sector that are covered by the PRBs received pay rises above 2%. There is an additional 1 year pay freeze between 2020 and 2021. For some, not all. There is a general public sector pay feeze for a year. At least. NHS workers, and those in the Public Sector earning less than 24k pa, will receive a payrise. How much? At least £5pw. What that is in percentage terms, i've no idea. I thought it was a lump sum of £500" I'm going on what was in the 2020 Autumn Statement, and the Guardian Article of 20th December. "a payrise of at least £250pa for NHS workers and public sector workers earning less than £24K pa" | |||
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"In 2010, the Coalition Government announced a two-year pay freeze from 2011/12. Following cuts to local government funding, local government workers were subject to a three-year pay freeze. From 2013/14 to 2017/18 public sector pay awards were capped at an average of 1%. This policy was lifted in 2017 and from 2018/19 to 2020/21 the parts of the public sector that are covered by the PRBs received pay rises above 2%. There is an additional 1 year pay freeze between 2020 and 2021. For some, not all. There is a general public sector pay feeze for a year. At least. NHS workers, and those in the Public Sector earning less than 24k pa, will receive a payrise. How much? At least £5pw. What that is in percentage terms, i've no idea. I thought it was a lump sum of £500" £250 or just over 1% for those under 24k. | |||
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"In 2010, the Coalition Government announced a two-year pay freeze from 2011/12. Following cuts to local government funding, local government workers were subject to a three-year pay freeze. From 2013/14 to 2017/18 public sector pay awards were capped at an average of 1%. This policy was lifted in 2017 and from 2018/19 to 2020/21 the parts of the public sector that are covered by the PRBs received pay rises above 2%. There is an additional 1 year pay freeze between 2020 and 2021. For some, not all. There is a general public sector pay feeze for a year. At least. NHS workers, and those in the Public Sector earning less than 24k pa, will receive a payrise. How much? At least £5pw. What that is in percentage terms, i've no idea. I thought it was a lump sum of £500 £250 or just over 1% for those under 24k." High five In all honestly, I'm still getting over corbyn getting the blame, That is true genius. | |||
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"In 2010, the Coalition Government announced a two-year pay freeze from 2011/12. Following cuts to local government funding, local government workers were subject to a three-year pay freeze. From 2013/14 to 2017/18 public sector pay awards were capped at an average of 1%. This policy was lifted in 2017 and from 2018/19 to 2020/21 the parts of the public sector that are covered by the PRBs received pay rises above 2%. There is an additional 1 year pay freeze between 2020 and 2021. For some, not all. There is a general public sector pay feeze for a year. At least. NHS workers, and those in the Public Sector earning less than 24k pa, will receive a payrise. How much? At least £5pw. What that is in percentage terms, i've no idea. I thought it was a lump sum of £500 £250 or just over 1% for those under 24k. High five In all honestly, I'm still getting over corbyn getting the blame, That is true genius." Yeah. That 'empty cookie jar and note' argument is ridiculous, it's been debunked on numerous occasions. You may struggle to believe this but I don't blame Labour for having no money. They finished in government in the middle of a different kind of pandemic. That's why we have no money. | |||
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"government has just announced that the 1 percent offer is "fair"" What percentage do you see as "fair"? Do you think that the RCN's call for 12.5% for nurses is "fair"? | |||
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"A newly qualified nurse can expect to enter at band 5 on a salary of c. £24k The average salary of a nurse is estimated to be in the region of £33-£35k. If you could reset these figures, what would you change them to?" yet they supposed to useing food banks ? | |||
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"government has just announced that the 1 percent offer is "fair" What percentage do you see as "fair"? Do you think that the RCN's call for 12.5% for nurses is "fair"? " That's what unions do. They ask for an amount which they know in the hope of getting something acceptable. | |||
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"A newly qualified nurse can expect to enter at band 5 on a salary of c. £24k The average salary of a nurse is estimated to be in the region of £33-£35k. If you could reset these figures, what would you change them to?yet they supposed to useing food banks ?" Some of them have been. | |||
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"A newly qualified nurse can expect to enter at band 5 on a salary of c. £24k The average salary of a nurse is estimated to be in the region of £33-£35k. If you could reset these figures, what would you change them to?yet they supposed to useing food banks ? Some of them have been." so on a starting salary of minimum 24k do you think they can’t afford to eat then makes you wonder how many of the catering staff cleaners carers porters are starving then you know them that never get a mention in the hospitals | |||
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"A newly qualified nurse can expect to enter at band 5 on a salary of c. £24k The average salary of a nurse is estimated to be in the region of £33-£35k. If you could reset these figures, what would you change them to?yet they supposed to useing food banks ?" Given the figures above, and for a day you had the power, what amount would you change these figures to? | |||
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"A newly qualified nurse can expect to enter at band 5 on a salary of c. £24k The average salary of a nurse is estimated to be in the region of £33-£35k. If you could reset these figures, what would you change them to?yet they supposed to useing food banks ? Some of them have been. so on a starting salary of minimum 24k do you think they can’t afford to eat then makes you wonder how many of the catering staff cleaners carers porters are starving then you know them that never get a mention in the hospitals " I mentioned social care above But yes there other staff are often ignored. | |||
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"A newly qualified nurse can expect to enter at band 5 on a salary of c. £24k The average salary of a nurse is estimated to be in the region of £33-£35k. If you could reset these figures, what would you change them to?yet they supposed to useing food banks ? Given the figures above, and for a day you had the power, what amount would you change these figures to? " I don't think the salary scales are an issue. It's more the fact that pay has barely moved in over a decade which in real terms which would probally mean a pay cut of around 15%. There is also the rank hypocrisy of praising a service to the sky and whilst imposing pay frexes/cuts. | |||
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"I’d give every nhs worker a 5% rise but not the doctors they arnt struggling and I’d make it £12 an hr minimum wage for all carers in an outside the nhs " I agree with your aims, carers get rubbish wages, your council tax would go through the roof though | |||
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"I’d give every nhs worker a 5% rise but not the doctors they arnt struggling and I’d make it £12 an hr minimum wage for all carers in an outside the nhs I agree with your aims, carers get rubbish wages, your council tax would go through the roof though "Already going up 5% | |||
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"I’d give every nhs worker a 5% rise but not the doctors they arnt struggling and I’d make it £12 an hr minimum wage for all carers in an outside the nhs I agree with your aims, carers get rubbish wages, your council tax would go through the roof though
Already going up 5%"so why keep going on about 1% are the rest of the staff in the hospitals getting 5% aswell I doubt it I don’t think people know what support workers do in hospitals amd what nurses do it’s not like the 70 s | |||
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"We all can throw figures around but the harsh realities of paying for it are still there. If we give the NHS 5%, how long do you think it would be, before the police, fire brigade etc would be banging on the door wanting the same? " and don’t forget them poor teachers who have had to stay home most of the last yr bless em lol | |||
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"We all can throw figures around but the harsh realities of paying for it are still there. If we give the NHS 5%, how long do you think it would be, before the police, fire brigade etc would be banging on the door wanting the same? " The police are separate from the normal public sector pay agreements. I'm not sure there are too many firemen left. They were cut to the bone is austerity, no#1. | |||
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"We all can throw figures around but the harsh realities of paying for it are still there. If we give the NHS 5%, how long do you think it would be, before the police, fire brigade etc would be banging on the door wanting the same? and don’t forget them poor teachers who have had to stay home most of the last yr bless em lol" And now the teachers are getting it in the neck | |||
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"I can remember Jim Callaghan and the revolving door at number 10, as union after union went cap in hand with some quite outrageous demands at the time. Wage inflation is an enemy of us all. " Unions | |||
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"We all can throw figures around but the harsh realities of paying for it are still there. If we give the NHS 5%, how long do you think it would be, before the police, fire brigade etc would be banging on the door wanting the same? and don’t forget them poor teachers who have had to stay home most of the last yr bless em lol And now the teachers are getting it in the neck " no I’m just saying some one mentioned firemen and police I’m saying it be teachers next always is same every yr doctors nurses police teachers what about all the supermarket workers they been most at risk all yr got fuck all hardly a mention but we only talk about the same sectors | |||
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"We all can throw figures around but the harsh realities of paying for it are still there. If we give the NHS 5%, how long do you think it would be, before the police, fire brigade etc would be banging on the door wanting the same? and don’t forget them poor teachers who have had to stay home most of the last yr bless em lol And now the teachers are getting it in the neck no I’m just saying some one mentioned firemen and police I’m saying it be teachers next always is same every yr doctors nurses police teachers what about all the supermarket workers they been most at risk all yr got fuck all hardly a mention but we only talk about the same sectors " tell the supermarket shareholders and board members ... it's their business not the taxpayers. | |||
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"I can remember Jim Callaghan and the revolving door at number 10, as union after union went cap in hand with some quite outrageous demands at the time. Wage inflation is an enemy of us all. " Way to high brow for here lol Bin men leaving rubbish have the most clout... how about voluntary extra tax contributions for nhs workers bonus then we'd see how many brits would put money where mouth is? | |||
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"I can remember Jim Callaghan and the revolving door at number 10, as union after union went cap in hand with some quite outrageous demands at the time. Wage inflation is an enemy of us all. Way to high brow for here lol Bin men leaving rubbish have the most clout... how about voluntary extra tax contributions for nhs workers bonus then we'd see how many brits would put money where mouth is? "how about getting shot of those tax havens in the likes of the Caymen islands so the mega rich actually pay their way. For some, tax contributions are already voluntary. | |||
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"I can remember Jim Callaghan and the revolving door at number 10, as union after union went cap in hand with some quite outrageous demands at the time. Wage inflation is an enemy of us all. Way to high brow for here lol Bin men leaving rubbish have the most clout... how about voluntary extra tax contributions for nhs workers bonus then we'd see how many brits would put money where mouth is?
how about getting shot of those tax havens in the likes of the Caymen islands so the mega rich actually pay their way.
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"I can remember Jim Callaghan and the revolving door at number 10, as union after union went cap in hand with some quite outrageous demands at the time. Wage inflation is an enemy of us all. Way to high brow for here lol Bin men leaving rubbish have the most clout... how about voluntary extra tax contributions for nhs workers bonus then we'd see how many brits would put money where mouth is?
how about getting shot of those tax havens in the likes of the Caymen islands so the mega rich actually pay their way.
For some, tax contributions are already voluntary.
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"I think we can agree with everything that the nhs has done in the last year.... 1% is still a kick in the teeth though... And with inflation it may as well be a pay cut in real terms " according to Lionel it’s 5% ? | |||
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"I will say it in 2016/17 the NHS wage bill was £47.6 billion for 1.1 million workers that’s an average wage of £43.2 k per year & has gone up since, there is not a bottom less pit of cash, & it will mean extra pension contributions too so it’s not just 1% There are those who have not faced the pandemic in the NHS, they are not all saints, there are many scandals & failures within (Dr Shipman, Beverley Allit, Lucy Letby). There are many other normal workers who have also worked through the pandemic who will not get a pay increase at all this year. Let’s start being honest, I want a pay rise, but I also want my job still to be there next year, I would also like the pension rights of NHS or other civil servants, but again I want my job to be there next year. Don’t forget all the perks the NHS can get, how many sick days (holidays) what’s that deal where you can defer some contributions so you can lease a car cheap, come on who will be honest, go on tell us about your government backed guaranteed pensions. I bet Lionel flashed his NHS badge at every opportunity to get his 20% discount or to get to the front of the line, how many office staff in the NHS do not work at hospitals yet jumped to the top of the list for the vaccine. Yes the NHS has done it’s job, but so have a hell of a lot of others, the NHS has been protected by lockdowns, but again the sacrifice of everyone else still isn’t enough. At the end of the day an extra £432 plus pension is a lot better than £0. X" | |||
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"I can remember Jim Callaghan and the revolving door at number 10, as union after union went cap in hand with some quite outrageous demands at the time. Wage inflation is an enemy of us all. Way to high brow for here lol Bin men leaving rubbish have the most clout... how about voluntary extra tax contributions for nhs workers bonus then we'd see how many brits would put money where mouth is?
how about getting shot of those tax havens in the likes of the Caymen islands so the mega rich actually pay their way.
For some, tax contributions are already voluntary.
Top 10% of taxpayers contribute 60% of all tax raised.
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"I can remember Jim Callaghan and the revolving door at number 10, as union after union went cap in hand with some quite outrageous demands at the time. Wage inflation is an enemy of us all. Way to high brow for here lol Bin men leaving rubbish have the most clout... how about voluntary extra tax contributions for nhs workers bonus then we'd see how many brits would put money where mouth is?
how about getting shot of those tax havens in the likes of the Caymen islands so the mega rich actually pay their way.
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"I will say it in 2016/17 the NHS wage bill was £47.6 billion for 1.1 million workers that’s an average wage of £43.2 k per year & has gone up since, there is not a bottom less pit of cash, & it will mean extra pension contributions too so it’s not just 1% There are those who have not faced the pandemic in the NHS, they are not all saints, there are many scandals & failures within (Dr Shipman, Beverley Allit, Lucy Letby). There are many other normal workers who have also worked through the pandemic who will not get a pay increase at all this year. Let’s start being honest, I want a pay rise, but I also want my job still to be there next year, I would also like the pension rights of NHS or other civil servants, but again I want my job to be there next year. Don’t forget all the perks the NHS can get, how many sick days (holidays) what’s that deal where you can defer some contributions so you can lease a car cheap, come on who will be honest, go on tell us about your government backed guaranteed pensions. I bet Lionel flashed his NHS badge at every opportunity to get his 20% discount or to get to the front of the line, how many office staff in the NHS do not work at hospitals yet jumped to the top of the list for the vaccine. Yes the NHS has done it’s job, but so have a hell of a lot of others, the NHS has been protected by lockdowns, but again the sacrifice of everyone else still isn’t enough. At the end of the day an extra £432 plus pension is a lot better than £0. X" There is honesty in posting this and that at least should be noted | |||
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"I can remember Jim Callaghan and the revolving door at number 10, as union after union went cap in hand with some quite outrageous demands at the time. Wage inflation is an enemy of us all. Way to high brow for here lol Bin men leaving rubbish have the most clout... how about voluntary extra tax contributions for nhs workers bonus then we'd see how many brits would put money where mouth is?
how about getting shot of those tax havens in the likes of the Caymen islands so the mega rich actually pay their way.
For some, tax contributions are already voluntary.
Top 10% of taxpayers contribute 60% of all tax raised.
great, now how much is hidden away in tax havens?
I dunno, it's hidden.
Do you know? "current estimate by taxresearch llp not less than 18.5 billion per annum in lost revenue | |||
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"I can remember Jim Callaghan and the revolving door at number 10, as union after union went cap in hand with some quite outrageous demands at the time. Wage inflation is an enemy of us all. Way to high brow for here lol Bin men leaving rubbish have the most clout... how about voluntary extra tax contributions for nhs workers bonus then we'd see how many brits would put money where mouth is?
how about getting shot of those tax havens in the likes of the Caymen islands so the mega rich actually pay their way.
For some, tax contributions are already voluntary.
saying tax rich everytime, did it work on lewis hamilton? they move lol and then pay no tax, heard of monaco? switzerland? "if they move, they move, they no longer enjoy the benefits of living here, but what about the ones who don't move? | |||
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"I can remember Jim Callaghan and the revolving door at number 10, as union after union went cap in hand with some quite outrageous demands at the time. Wage inflation is an enemy of us all. Way to high brow for here lol Bin men leaving rubbish have the most clout... how about voluntary extra tax contributions for nhs workers bonus then we'd see how many brits would put money where mouth is?
how about getting shot of those tax havens in the likes of the Caymen islands so the mega rich actually pay their way.
For some, tax contributions are already voluntary.
Top 10% of taxpayers contribute 60% of all tax raised.
great, now how much is hidden away in tax havens?
I dunno, it's hidden.
Do you know?
current estimate by taxresearch llp
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"We all can throw figures around but the harsh realities of paying for it are still there. If we give the NHS 5%, how long do you think it would be, before the police, fire brigade etc would be banging on the door wanting the same? The police are separate from the normal public sector pay agreements. I'm not sure there are too many firemen left. They were cut to the bone is austerity, no#1." Yes there are plenty of fire personnel left, our local fire station is 50 yards from us x A tax increase is austerity by a different name & means, you just want a big pay increase & larger pension pot, & for everyone else to pay for it. | |||
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