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And here they go again, they just won't make the deal even though they signed it.
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https://news.sky.com/story/loyalist-groups-withdraw-support-for-good-friday-agreement-over-brexit-border-deal-12235461
So. Now go blame the UK for the light touch approach on the Border while the EU tries to stall anything it has agreed to !!!!
Shocking. |
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"https://news.sky.com/story/loyalist-groups-withdraw-support-for-good-friday-agreement-over-brexit-border-deal-12235461
So. Now go blame the UK for the light touch approach on the Border while the EU tries to stall anything it has agreed to !!!!
Shocking."
O dear, are you and Chris having a competition  |
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"https://news.sky.com/story/loyalist-groups-withdraw-support-for-good-friday-agreement-over-brexit-border-deal-12235461
So. Now go blame the UK for the light touch approach on the Border while the EU tries to stall anything it has agreed to !!!!
Shocking.
O dear, are you and Chris having a competition "
Or just talking about the real world as it is.
So quit with the blah blah blah and talk about the issues. |
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"https://news.sky.com/story/loyalist-groups-withdraw-support-for-good-friday-agreement-over-brexit-border-deal-12235461
So. Now go blame the UK for the light touch approach on the Border while the EU tries to stall anything it has agreed to !!!!
Shocking.
O dear, are you and Chris having a competition
Or just talking about the real world as it is.
So quit with the blah blah blah and talk about the issues."
Uk breaks an agreement, ok?
EU breaks an agreement, bad?
Is that how it works? |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"https://news.sky.com/story/loyalist-groups-withdraw-support-for-good-friday-agreement-over-brexit-border-deal-12235461
So. Now go blame the UK for the light touch approach on the Border while the EU tries to stall anything it has agreed to !!!!
Shocking."
This is beyond reality now. There comes a point when you realise there's nothing to rebut. Oh dear dear. |
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"https://news.sky.com/story/loyalist-groups-withdraw-support-for-good-friday-agreement-over-brexit-border-deal-12235461
So. Now go blame the UK for the light touch approach on the Border while the EU tries to stall anything it has agreed to !!!!
Shocking.
O dear, are you and Chris having a competition
Or just talking about the real world as it is.
So quit with the blah blah blah and talk about the issues.
Uk breaks an agreement, ok?
EU breaks an agreement, bad?
Is that how it works? "
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"https://news.sky.com/story/loyalist-groups-withdraw-support-for-good-friday-agreement-over-brexit-border-deal-12235461
So. Now go blame the UK for the light touch approach on the Border while the EU tries to stall anything it has agreed to !!!!
Shocking.
This is beyond reality now. There comes a point when you realise there's nothing to rebut. Oh dear dear. "
Have you only just realised? |
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https://news.sky.com/story/loyalist-groups-withdraw-support-for-good-friday-agreement-over-brexit-border-deal-12235461
So. Now go blame the UK for the light touch approach on the Border while the EU tries to stall anything it has agreed to !!!!
Shocking.
Is what the thread is about.
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"https://news.sky.com/story/loyalist-groups-withdraw-support-for-good-friday-agreement-over-brexit-border-deal-12235461
So. Now go blame the UK for the light touch approach on the Border while the EU tries to stall anything it has agreed to !!!!
Shocking.
Is what the thread is about.
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More concerned about the plans to break international law (again) and back slide on the oven ready deal. |
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"OP, I never thought you as observationally challenged as your ideological cohorts but the suggestion in your post has no foundation in reality. Please tell me you're trolling."
Yea I made up the story above. I work for that News Agency. Sozzy. My Bad. |
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"https://news.sky.com/story/loyalist-groups-withdraw-support-for-good-friday-agreement-over-brexit-border-deal-12235461
So. Now go blame the UK for the light touch approach on the Border while the EU tries to stall anything it has agreed to !!!!
Shocking.
Is what the thread is about.
More concerned about the plans to break international law (again) and back slide on the oven ready deal."
And the EU keep doing it. |
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"https://news.sky.com/story/loyalist-groups-withdraw-support-for-good-friday-agreement-over-brexit-border-deal-12235461
So. Now go blame the UK for the light touch approach on the Border while the EU tries to stall anything it has agreed to !!!!
Shocking.
Is what the thread is about.
More concerned about the plans to break international law (again) and back slide on the oven ready deal.
And the EU keep doing it."
They haven't
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Said it this morning
The tories decide to leave.
Johnson won the election on the promise of getting Brexit done saw Johnson on an election.
In Jan there was an atmospheric of triumphalism (we did it)
4 months later,we find out it's not done at all and they still dont get an ounce of accountability
Its beyond parody. |
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"Said it this morning
The tories decide to leave.
Johnson won the election on the promise of getting Brexit done saw Johnson on an election.
In Jan there was an atmospheric of triumphalism (we did it)
4 months later,we find out it's not done at all and they still dont get an ounce of accountability
Its beyond parody."
EUs fault, obviously  |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"OP, I never thought you as observationally challenged as your ideological cohorts but the suggestion in your post has no foundation in reality. Please tell me you're trolling.
Yea I made up the story above. I work for that News Agency. Sozzy. My Bad."
It’s not the story, it’s your interpretation.
You decided to burn the house down whilst ignoring the plight of the Firemen. It’s not the Firemen’s fault, it’s not your neighbours fault. You own this. You championed the cause of Brexit, you ridiculed the prospect of Brexit risking the GFA and labelled any potential problem as Project Fear.
This is happening because of Brexit. That’s it. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"OP, I never thought you as observationally challenged as your ideological cohorts but the suggestion in your post has no foundation in reality. Please tell me you're trolling.
Yea I made up the story above. I work for that News Agency. Sozzy. My Bad.
It’s not the story, it’s your interpretation.
You decided to burn the house down whilst ignoring the plight of the Firemen. It’s not the Firemen’s fault, it’s not your neighbours fault. You own this. You championed the cause of Brexit, you ridiculed the prospect of Brexit risking the GFA and labelled any potential problem as Project Fear.
This is happening because of Brexit. That’s it."
Now here is the part that's not been said out loud. Boris is responsible for the NI protocol. T May couldn't bring herself to agreeing to a customs border between the UK and NI, so her solution was the UK and NI remain in a customs union with the EU. Boris, the ERG and DUP voted against May's deal three times. After stabbing May in the back, Boris went ahead and accepted that NI would remain in a customs union with the EU and UK was free to pursue a hard brexit. In addition to doing the dirty to May, Boris also betrayed the DUP.
Now the Unionist and Loyalist mindset cannot publicly acknowledge that the Tories betrayed them again. The suggestion the EU is responsible for this situation is, simply put, untrue.
Had the UK been realistic prior to the 2016 referendum this fuckup could have been avoided but magic sky thinking, delusional exceptionalism, weaponised nationalism and a big red bus driven by a man known for his inability to tell the truth. Brexit meant Brexit, nobody had a clue what it actually meant. Now we're seeing what it's like when the rubber meets the road. As the saying goes, welcome to the Brexit.
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"OP, I never thought you as observationally challenged as your ideological cohorts but the suggestion in your post has no foundation in reality. Please tell me you're trolling.
Yea I made up the story above. I work for that News Agency. Sozzy. My Bad.
It’s not the story, it’s your interpretation.
You decided to burn the house down whilst ignoring the plight of the Firemen. It’s not the Firemen’s fault, it’s not your neighbours fault. You own this. You championed the cause of Brexit, you ridiculed the prospect of Brexit risking the GFA and labelled any potential problem as Project Fear.
This is happening because of Brexit. That’s it.
Now here is the part that's not been said out loud. Boris is responsible for the NI protocol. T May couldn't bring herself to agreeing to a customs border between the UK and NI, so her solution was the UK and NI remain in a customs union with the EU. Boris, the ERG and DUP voted against May's deal three times. After stabbing May in the back, Boris went ahead and accepted that NI would remain in a customs union with the EU and UK was free to pursue a hard brexit. In addition to doing the dirty to May, Boris also betrayed the DUP.
Now the Unionist and Loyalist mindset cannot publicly acknowledge that the Tories betrayed them again. The suggestion the EU is responsible for this situation is, simply put, untrue.
Had the UK been realistic prior to the 2016 referendum this fuckup could have been avoided but magic sky thinking, delusional exceptionalism, weaponised nationalism and a big red bus driven by a man known for his inability to tell the truth. Brexit meant Brexit, nobody had a clue what it actually meant. Now we're seeing what it's like when the rubber meets the road. As the saying goes, welcome to the Brexit.
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So how could the border solution have been achieved then ?
No matter what you do one side would not be happy |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"OP, I never thought you as observationally challenged as your ideological cohorts but the suggestion in your post has no foundation in reality. Please tell me you're trolling.
Yea I made up the story above. I work for that News Agency. Sozzy. My Bad.
It’s not the story, it’s your interpretation.
You decided to burn the house down whilst ignoring the plight of the Firemen. It’s not the Firemen’s fault, it’s not your neighbours fault. You own this. You championed the cause of Brexit, you ridiculed the prospect of Brexit risking the GFA and labelled any potential problem as Project Fear.
This is happening because of Brexit. That’s it.
Now here is the part that's not been said out loud. Boris is responsible for the NI protocol. T May couldn't bring herself to agreeing to a customs border between the UK and NI, so her solution was the UK and NI remain in a customs union with the EU. Boris, the ERG and DUP voted against May's deal three times. After stabbing May in the back, Boris went ahead and accepted that NI would remain in a customs union with the EU and UK was free to pursue a hard brexit. In addition to doing the dirty to May, Boris also betrayed the DUP.
Now the Unionist and Loyalist mindset cannot publicly acknowledge that the Tories betrayed them again. The suggestion the EU is responsible for this situation is, simply put, untrue.
Had the UK been realistic prior to the 2016 referendum this fuckup could have been avoided but magic sky thinking, delusional exceptionalism, weaponised nationalism and a big red bus driven by a man known for his inability to tell the truth. Brexit meant Brexit, nobody had a clue what it actually meant. Now we're seeing what it's like when the rubber meets the road. As the saying goes, welcome to the Brexit.
So how could the border solution have been achieved then ?
No matter what you do one side would not be happy "
I don't like repeating myself but
"Had the UK been realistic prior to the 2016 referendum this fuckup could have been avoided but magic sky thinking, delusional exceptionalism, weaponised nationalism and a big red bus driven by a man known for his inability to tell the truth."
What consideration was given to the obligations the UK had under the GFA when they voted to leave the EU? less than fuck all. The Irish govt had one red line with regard to Brexit, no border on the Island of Ireland. This left the UK with 2 options, first, a customs border between the UK and NI (what we have now). Second, the UK and NI remained in a customs union with the EU.
Try not to have any sympathy for the DUP, they're in a mess of their own making and they going to pay at the ballot box. The DUP was secretly hoping for a return to a hard border in Ireland but without their fingerprints on it.
Sure they're pissed at Boris but they can't say that out loud. This press release referred to in the OP is gesture politics, that's all. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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But to remain in a customs union meant staying under the EU rules around free movement of people ect which the U.K. did not want to do.
And not being able to do other deals under our own terms and not the EU’s |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"But to remain in a customs union meant staying under the EU rules around free movement of people ect which the U.K. did not want to do.
And not being able to do other deals under our own terms and not the EU’s "
It’s interesting when you look at the reality of Brexit that the promises made are impossible and if the truth had been told instead of the rhetoric of lies such as oven ready, get Brexit done, red bus and worst of all, seamless trade then maybe people would have realised the negative effects of leaving the EU would and sadly are having today.
It’s now project reality and it’s an expensive disaster for business.
There’s used to be 12 ferry sailing per week from Ireland to the continent . It will be 40 per week by the end of March along with much bigger ferries. That tells you everything you need to know about the problems of dealing with the U.K.’s seamless regime. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"But to remain in a customs union meant staying under the EU rules around free movement of people ect which the U.K. did not want to do.
And not being able to do other deals under our own terms and not the EU’s "
We are restrained by the Brexit deal so in effect we are controlled anyway so why the hell did we add customs costs? It was always about the look of the deal rather than the best outcome.
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"But to remain in a customs union meant staying under the EU rules around free movement of people ect which the U.K. did not want to do.
And not being able to do other deals under our own terms and not the EU’s "
As was said ad nauseum throughout the campaign and after - there is no such thing as absolute sovereignty.
As individuals, as families, the towns snd districts that we live, the companies that we own or work for and the Government in charge of it all - we make compromise decisions for the greater good.
We compromise in one domain to get a greater benefit in another. Only ever having everything your own way whilst avoiding commitments, responsibilities and adhering to rules is a childlike fantasy. But that is exactly how we went into Brexit. Remember the slogans??
We will have our cake and eat it.
There are no downsides to Brexit, only considerable upsides.
We hold all the cards etc etc
The grown up way to have dealt with this all along was to recognise that vote was big enough to suggest that change was needed, but not overwhelming enough to burn the house down.
We should have left the political structures of the EU and retained SM and CU for a period of ten years. This would have given us all time to make sure that Brexit was not damaging to “our” freedoms, to “our” rights and to “our” country as a whole.
Even if there was any truth to the idea of the EU being anti-democratic, corrupt or whatever... The Government should be making sure that leaving does not make things bad when the whole idea of leaving was to make things better.
N Ireland and Scotland are mounting constitutional issues brought about by Brexit.
Fishing, Agriculture and Eu exports are current economic issues brought about by Brexit.
Long term travel and stays by Brits in Europe is now a huge issue for our own citizens.
These things were avoidable had the Government reacted in a grown up and mature way. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"But to remain in a customs union meant staying under the EU rules around free movement of people ect which the U.K. did not want to do.
And not being able to do other deals under our own terms and not the EU’s "
A customs union is a trading bloc which requires regulatory alignment but I don't think FoM was a requirement to stay in the EUCU.
But back to topic, this is the Brexit deal that Boris campaigned and won on. This is what the UK electorate voted for. In 2016 brexit meant brexit. In 2019 Brexit meant a de facto customs border between the UK and NI. In Jan 2021 we are seeing this starting to be implemented via the NI protocol. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"But to remain in a customs union meant staying under the EU rules around free movement of people ect which the U.K. did not want to do.
And not being able to do other deals under our own terms and not the EU’s
A customs union is a trading bloc which requires regulatory alignment but I don't think FoM was a requirement to stay in the EUCU.
But back to topic, this is the Brexit deal that Boris campaigned and won on. This is what the UK electorate voted for. In 2016 brexit meant brexit. In 2019 Brexit meant a de facto customs border between the UK and NI. In Jan 2021 we are seeing this starting to be implemented via the NI protocol."
I think if you asked anyone a week before the referendum what their view on the Northern Ireland border was they wouldn’t have had a clue. Boris certainly didn’t, as recent developments have shown.
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"OP, I never thought you as observationally challenged as your ideological cohorts but the suggestion in your post has no foundation in reality. Please tell me you're trolling.
Yea I made up the story above. I work for that News Agency. Sozzy. My Bad.
It’s not the story, it’s your interpretation.
You decided to burn the house down whilst ignoring the plight of the Firemen. It’s not the Firemen’s fault, it’s not your neighbours fault. You own this. You championed the cause of Brexit, you ridiculed the prospect of Brexit risking the GFA and labelled any potential problem as Project Fear.
This is happening because of Brexit. That’s it.
Now here is the part that's not been said out loud. Boris is responsible for the NI protocol. T May couldn't bring herself to agreeing to a customs border between the UK and NI, so her solution was the UK and NI remain in a customs union with the EU. Boris, the ERG and DUP voted against May's deal three times. After stabbing May in the back, Boris went ahead and accepted that NI would remain in a customs union with the EU and UK was free to pursue a hard brexit. In addition to doing the dirty to May, Boris also betrayed the DUP.
Now the Unionist and Loyalist mindset cannot publicly acknowledge that the Tories betrayed them again. The suggestion the EU is responsible for this situation is, simply put, untrue.
Had the UK been realistic prior to the 2016 referendum this fuckup could have been avoided but magic sky thinking, delusional exceptionalism, weaponised nationalism and a big red bus driven by a man known for his inability to tell the truth. Brexit meant Brexit, nobody had a clue what it actually meant. Now we're seeing what it's like when the rubber meets the road. As the saying goes, welcome to the Brexit.
So how could the border solution have been achieved then ?
No matter what you do one side would not be happy
I don't like repeating myself but Had the UK been realistic prior to the 2016 referendum this fuckup could have been avoided but magic sky thinking, delusional exceptionalism, weaponised nationalism and a big red bus driven by a man known for his inability to tell the truth.
What consideration was given to the obligations the UK had under the GFA when they voted to leave the EU? less than fuck all. The Irish govt had one red line with regard to Brexit, no border on the Island of Ireland. This left the UK with 2 options, first, a customs border between the UK and NI (what we have now). Second, the UK and NI remained in a customs union with the EU.
Try not to have any sympathy for the DUP, they're in a mess of their own making and they going to pay at the ballot box. The DUP was secretly hoping for a return to a hard border in Ireland but without their fingerprints on it.
Sure they're pissed at Boris but they can't say that out loud. This press release referred to in the OP is gesture politics, that's all."
Yes it’s a harsh truth but I’ve said it many times, eventually you might accept it - the problem always was the laxity of the GFA regards borders and tolerance of ongoing law breaking. That’s the root cause. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"EU now stoping vaccine exports to Australia they are low life"
The point of this contribution to the OP and thread is?....
It is astonishing how many people are still so ignorant of the fact that they were so brutally manipulated that the only response to negative Brexit stories is to find fault with the old enemy.
You know that the psychological background to The Brexit mindset goes back to 1945. Far too many people were never able to rationale the outcome of WW2 and the huge amount of aid that was given to Germany after the war. Our disgusting right wing Press have perpetuated mistrust of Germany (and latterly the EU) for decades and hence the subconscious grooming that has resulted in so many people reacting so irrationally. |
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By *ild_oatsMan
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"EU now stoping vaccine exports to Australia they are low life"
I think that you will find that it is actually Italian government not the EU....
But don’t let that fact get in the way of your anti eu rhetoric...
But what does this have to with the subject of this thread..... |
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By *ild_oatsMan
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"OP, I never thought you as observationally challenged as your ideological cohorts but the suggestion in your post has no foundation in reality. Please tell me you're trolling.
Yea I made up the story above. I work for that News Agency. Sozzy. My Bad.
It’s not the story, it’s your interpretation.
You decided to burn the house down whilst ignoring the plight of the Firemen. It’s not the Firemen’s fault, it’s not your neighbours fault. You own this. You championed the cause of Brexit, you ridiculed the prospect of Brexit risking the GFA and labelled any potential problem as Project Fear.
This is happening because of Brexit. That’s it.
Now here is the part that's not been said out loud. Boris is responsible for the NI protocol. T May couldn't bring herself to agreeing to a customs border between the UK and NI, so her solution was the UK and NI remain in a customs union with the EU. Boris, the ERG and DUP voted against May's deal three times. After stabbing May in the back, Boris went ahead and accepted that NI would remain in a customs union with the EU and UK was free to pursue a hard brexit. In addition to doing the dirty to May, Boris also betrayed the DUP.
Now the Unionist and Loyalist mindset cannot publicly acknowledge that the Tories betrayed them again. The suggestion the EU is responsible for this situation is, simply put, untrue.
Had the UK been realistic prior to the 2016 referendum this fuckup could have been avoided but magic sky thinking, delusional exceptionalism, weaponised nationalism and a big red bus driven by a man known for his inability to tell the truth. Brexit meant Brexit, nobody had a clue what it actually meant. Now we're seeing what it's like when the rubber meets the road. As the saying goes, welcome to the Brexit.
So how could the border solution have been achieved then ?
No matter what you do one side would not be happy
I don't like repeating myself but Had the UK been realistic prior to the 2016 referendum this fuckup could have been avoided but magic sky thinking, delusional exceptionalism, weaponised nationalism and a big red bus driven by a man known for his inability to tell the truth.
What consideration was given to the obligations the UK had under the GFA when they voted to leave the EU? less than fuck all. The Irish govt had one red line with regard to Brexit, no border on the Island of Ireland. This left the UK with 2 options, first, a customs border between the UK and NI (what we have now). Second, the UK and NI remained in a customs union with the EU.
Try not to have any sympathy for the DUP, they're in a mess of their own making and they going to pay at the ballot box. The DUP was secretly hoping for a return to a hard border in Ireland but without their fingerprints on it.
Sure they're pissed at Boris but they can't say that out loud. This press release referred to in the OP is gesture politics, that's all.
Yes it’s a harsh truth but I’ve said it many times, eventually you might accept it - the problem always was the laxity of the GFA regards borders and tolerance of ongoing law breaking. That’s the root cause. "
You are quite good at finding fault with the GFA but what exactly would you have in its place that would de-escalate the sectarian violence and tensions within N.I.
Are you suggesting a return to troops on the streets of Belfast. |
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By *oo hotCouple
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Yes it’s a harsh truth but I’ve said it many times, eventually you might accept it - the problem always was the laxity of the GFA regards borders and tolerance of ongoing law breaking. That’s the root cause. "
As a former serviceman I can tell you that your ignorance is like nitroglycerine - unstable and extremely dangerous.
You cannot fight emotion with logic. We saw in the Brexit vote that emotion usurped the entirely logical and pragmatic argument to avoid rocking the boat.
Your particular assertions ignore completely that vast numbers of people in NI do not even recognise the fact that they are British and should accept British Law. The whole purpose of the GFA was to allow people to be British and/or Irish - as they choose.
To play with that inherently pragmatic solution to a hundred year problem would be very dangerous to life and economically. |
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Wrong - Italy asked the EU if they could stop exports to Australia. The EU said yes. And sanctioned the Italian Request.
No matter how you go on and on and on and one ad nauseam that is the fact of the matter.
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https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-italy-and-eu-block-oxford-vaccine-shipment-to-australia-12235848
"COVID-19: Italy and EU block Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine shipment to Australia as shortages row escalates"
You can take the horse to the library, but you can not make him read.
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"EU now stoping vaccine exports to Australia they are low life
I think that you will find that it is actually Italian government not the EU....
But don’t let that fact get in the way of your anti eu rhetoric...
But what does this have to with the subject of this thread..... "
Read above and don't let the REAL facts get in the way of your rhetoric.
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
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"Wrong - Italy asked the EU if they could stop exports to Australia. The EU said yes. And sanctioned the Italian Request.
No matter how you go on and on and on and one ad nauseam that is the fact of the matter.
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Just because the Italian government approached the EU to use EU legislation does not mean the EU are collectively taking the action....
If the EU was doing this that would mean all 27 countries would be engaged in the same .... I have not read anywhere that they all are.
It’s an important distinction to have when trying to use it as a tool of blame.
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"Wrong - Italy asked the EU if they could stop exports to Australia. The EU said yes. And sanctioned the Italian Request.
No matter how you go on and on and on and one ad nauseam that is the fact of the matter.
Just because the Italian government approached the EU to use EU legislation does not mean the EU are collectively taking the action....
If the EU was doing this that would mean all 27 countries would be engaged in the same .... I have not read anywhere that they all are.
It’s an important distinction to have when trying to use it as a tool of blame.
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Can you not read the words ***Italy and the EU in the above?***
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-italy-and-eu-block-oxford-vaccine-shipment-to-australia-12235848
"COVID-19: ***Italy and EU*** block Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine shipment to Australia as shortages row escalates"
You can take the horse to the library, but you can not make him read.
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https://news.sky.com/story/australia-hits-back-as-eu-stops-vaccine-delivery-with-bloc-accused-of-tearing-up-the-rule-book-12236286
Australia has hit back at the EU's move to block a shipment of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine - suggesting the bloc was trying to "tear up the rule book".
Italy earlier said it would block the export of about 250,000 vaccine doses from its Anagni plant, a decision that was later approved by the EU, after the drug company failed to meet its contract commitments.
Speaking to Sky News Australia, finance minister Simon Birmingham said: "The world is in unchartered territory at present - it's unsurprising that some countries would tear up the rule book. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"https://news.sky.com/story/loyalist-groups-withdraw-support-for-good-friday-agreement-over-brexit-border-deal-12235461
So. Now go blame the UK for the light touch approach on the Border while the EU tries to stall anything it has agreed to !!!!
Shocking."
You do know it’s the uk government threatening to break international law yet again don’t you.....
They are upset about the border down the Irish Sea they suggested... but hey, don’t let facts get in the way of a good eu bash...
P.s mays deal did not have that border in it and all the brexiteer mps voted against it....
You and Chris are like the Pravda twins.... propaganda besties... |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"EU now stoping vaccine exports to Australia they are low life
The point of this contribution to the OP and thread is?....
It is astonishing how many people are still so ignorant of the fact that they were so brutally manipulated that the only response to negative Brexit stories is to find fault with the old enemy.
You know that the psychological background to The Brexit mindset goes back to 1945. Far too many people were never able to rationale the outcome of WW2 and the huge amount of aid that was given to Germany after the war. Our disgusting right wing Press have perpetuated mistrust of Germany (and latterly the EU) for decades and hence the subconscious grooming that has resulted in so many people reacting so irrationally."
Personally I am not now or have ever been anti German. I certainly don't plan on becoming anti German in the future either |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Don't know how many different ways I can say it.
The Irish Land border has always been completely silly as a border.
Brexit wasn't the cause of it being silly. "
Silly? Is that your considered opinion? The border wasn't an issue for decades, since the 90's actually. The unapproved roads were reopened, the customs and security checkpoints disappeared.
It has been pointed out several times already to you and others that the pro brexit faction gave no consideration to the border and the UK's obligations under the GFA. Silly is an understatement. Delusional is probably more accurate. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Don't know how many different ways I can say it.
The Irish Land border has always been completely silly as a border.
Brexit wasn't the cause of it being silly.
Silly? Is that your considered opinion? The border wasn't an issue for decades, since the 90's actually. The unapproved roads were reopened, the customs and security checkpoints disappeared.
It has been pointed out several times already to you and others that the pro brexit faction gave no consideration to the border and the UK's obligations under the GFA. Silly is an understatement. Delusional is probably more accurate."
And so what is the answer to the border then ? |
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So what was it the EU didn't do wrong when they created a boarder the other month within the island of Ireland, oh that’s right it’s only the UK that has done something wrong. There’s a clown on Blackpool pleasure beach, some of you remind me of that clown. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Don't know how many different ways I can say it.
The Irish Land border has always been completely silly as a border.
Brexit wasn't the cause of it being silly.
Silly? Is that your considered opinion? The border wasn't an issue for decades, since the 90's actually. The unapproved roads were reopened, the customs and security checkpoints disappeared.
It has been pointed out several times already to you and others that the pro brexit faction gave no consideration to the border and the UK's obligations under the GFA. Silly is an understatement. Delusional is probably more accurate.
And so what is the answer to the border then ? "
The border isn't the issue. The issue is was delusional belief that its possible to have your cake and eat it too that got the UK into this position.
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"So what was it the EU didn't do wrong when they created a boarder the other month within the island of Ireland, oh that’s right it’s only the UK that has done something wrong. There’s a clown on Blackpool pleasure beach, some of you remind me of that clown. "
No
The UK chose to brexit. The UK had been told that this would impact the GFA.
BoZo Johnson. Ignored the warning, lied a bit more, and carried on.
The only thing that has caused this is brexit. Nothing else, just brexit.
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"So what was it the EU didn't do wrong when they created a boarder the other month within the island of Ireland, oh that’s right it’s only the UK that has done something wrong. There’s a clown on Blackpool pleasure beach, some of you remind me of that clown. "
If only you made a factual point I would respond. I can only imagine the pain incurred by such a sense of victimhood. |
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"So what was it the EU didn't do wrong when they created a boarder the other month within the island of Ireland, oh that’s right it’s only the UK that has done something wrong. There’s a clown on Blackpool pleasure beach, some of you remind me of that clown. "
exactly, some people think the uk is always in the wrong, anything after the romans is our fault lol  |
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"So what was it the EU didn't do wrong when they created a boarder the other month within the island of Ireland, oh that’s right it’s only the UK that has done something wrong. There’s a clown on Blackpool pleasure beach, some of you remind me of that clown.
No
The UK chose to brexit. The UK had been told that this would impact the GFA.
BoZo Johnson. Ignored the warning, lied a bit more, and carried on.
The only thing that has caused this is brexit. Nothing else, just brexit.
Got it? Good."
so you have to stay in a trading agreement? like it or not? paying for the privilege because they cant think of a way to sort it, it is their problem, they are worried about goods not us. There was a boarder before we joined eu! |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"So what was it the EU didn't do wrong when they created a boarder the other month within the island of Ireland, oh that’s right it’s only the UK that has done something wrong. There’s a clown on Blackpool pleasure beach, some of you remind me of that clown.
No
The UK chose to brexit. The UK had been told that this would impact the GFA.
BoZo Johnson. Ignored the warning, lied a bit more, and carried on.
The only thing that has caused this is brexit. Nothing else, just brexit.
Got it? Good.
so you have to stay in a trading agreement? like it or not? paying for the privilege because they cant think of a way to sort it, it is their problem, they are worried about goods not us. There was a boarder before we joined eu! "
Have you read what you have just written? Lol...
Why do you think every country in the world is engaged in never ending cycles of trade agreements? It’s because they facilitate trade and that stimulates the economy.
Yes there was a border in Ireland before we joined the EU and it was the cause of much violence and bloodshed. The EU and particularly the Single Market was a great facilitator of the end of hostilities in Ireland because the border infrastructure could be visibly torn down. |
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By *odeyMan
over a year ago
Limerick |
The border was put there in 1922 by the British government to try to deal with the problem that the British created. Hundreds of years earlier they took the land from the native Irish and gave it to thousands of British people that they planted there. The British were meant to give the Southern half of NI back to the Republic through the Border Commission, but again, they reneged on that agreement. If they had honoured that agreement, NI would have been too small to govern and would have eventually joined the Republic. Then the border would have been gone.
Britain has taken the sovereignty from smaller countries for hundreds of years and they complained that theirs was being taken from them by their partners in the EU.
Now they have their waters to fish for themselves but have no-where to sell their fish. They still have to obey all the EU laws, so that they can trade with them, but they have no say in making these laws anymore.
British people need to get rid of Boris and at least rejoin the Customs Union.
Problem solved. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Don't know how many different ways I can say it.
The Irish Land border has always been completely silly as a border.
Brexit wasn't the cause of it being silly.
Silly? Is that your considered opinion? The border wasn't an issue for decades, since the 90's actually. The unapproved roads were reopened, the customs and security checkpoints disappeared.
It has been pointed out several times already to you and others that the pro brexit faction gave no consideration to the border and the UK's obligations under the GFA. Silly is an understatement. Delusional is probably more accurate.
And so what is the answer to the border then ?
The border isn't the issue. The issue is was delusional belief that its possible to have your cake and eat it too that got the UK into this position.
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So the U.K. has to forever be part of the EU then ? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
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for those that do that, yes, no, whatever, who said? really? you did it first?... just covering bases..
europe totally ignore the same stupid boarder situation around switzerland for example, and theres some other section of germany that isnt actually german, no i cant name who lives there lol and havent spoken to them lately..
the eu is making it a problem because they choose to
And the difference with the Gib border is? Seems the EU are happy for that to be removed."
Not sure but think it’s been a few hundred years since there was regular violence between political factions in Gibraltar.
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Don't know how many different ways I can say it.
The Irish Land border has always been completely silly as a border.
Brexit wasn't the cause of it being silly.
Silly? Is that your considered opinion? The border wasn't an issue for decades, since the 90's actually. The unapproved roads were reopened, the customs and security checkpoints disappeared.
It has been pointed out several times already to you and others that the pro brexit faction gave no consideration to the border and the UK's obligations under the GFA. Silly is an understatement. Delusional is probably more accurate.
And so what is the answer to the border then ?
The border isn't the issue. The issue is was delusional belief that its possible to have your cake and eat it too that got the UK into this position.
So the U.K. has to forever be part of the EU then ?"
Grown up thinking means thinking in more than one dimension. Understanding that actions have consequences and that responsibilities are responsibilities and not annoying faff.
If you are married with kids, you can’t just wake up one morning and decide that you are going to go it alone and fuck the consequences to your family.
Similarly, this country has over hundreds of years acquired responsibilities and obligations by treaties and agreements which cannot just be discarded because the grass seems greener elsewhere.
No disrespect, but you are demonstrating that same one-dimensional thought process that has led the entire Brexit debate. Change is fine - as long as existing responsibilities are adhered to before you burn your house down. |
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for those that do that, yes, no, whatever, who said? really? you did it first?... just covering bases..
europe totally ignore the same stupid boarder situation around switzerland for example, and theres some other section of germany that isnt actually german, no i cant name who lives there lol and havent spoken to them lately..
the eu is making it a problem because they choose to
And the difference with the Gib border is? Seems the EU are happy for that to be removed."
Unreal |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Don't know how many different ways I can say it.
The Irish Land border has always been completely silly as a border.
Brexit wasn't the cause of it being silly.
Silly? Is that your considered opinion? The border wasn't an issue for decades, since the 90's actually. The unapproved roads were reopened, the customs and security checkpoints disappeared.
It has been pointed out several times already to you and others that the pro brexit faction gave no consideration to the border and the UK's obligations under the GFA. Silly is an understatement. Delusional is probably more accurate.
And so what is the answer to the border then ?
The border isn't the issue. The issue is was delusional belief that its possible to have your cake and eat it too that got the UK into this position.
So the U.K. has to forever be part of the EU then ?
Grown up thinking means thinking in more than one dimension. Understanding that actions have consequences and that responsibilities are responsibilities and not annoying faff.
If you are married with kids, you can’t just wake up one morning and decide that you are going to go it alone and fuck the consequences to your family.
Similarly, this country has over hundreds of years acquired responsibilities and obligations by treaties and agreements which cannot just be discarded because the grass seems greener elsewhere.
No disrespect, but you are demonstrating that same one-dimensional thought process that has led the entire Brexit debate. Change is fine - as long as existing responsibilities are adhered to before you burn your house down."
So that’s a yes then because no matter which way you go someone is going to object |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Don't know how many different ways I can say it.
The Irish Land border has always been completely silly as a border.
Brexit wasn't the cause of it being silly.
Silly? Is that your considered opinion? The border wasn't an issue for decades, since the 90's actually. The unapproved roads were reopened, the customs and security checkpoints disappeared.
It has been pointed out several times already to you and others that the pro brexit faction gave no consideration to the border and the UK's obligations under the GFA. Silly is an understatement. Delusional is probably more accurate.
And so what is the answer to the border then ?
The border isn't the issue. The issue is was delusional belief that its possible to have your cake and eat it too that got the UK into this position.
So the U.K. has to forever be part of the EU then ?"
Where do you get that from? The solution is easy, just keep to the damn agreements the UK signed. The NI protocol is part of the WA and became UK law in Feb 2020.
Unilaterally changing international agreements isn't a good advertisement and it is telling the EU and the World that the UK is untrustworthy.
Boris wanted a hard brexit, the price of that is an internal customs border for the UK. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Don't know how many different ways I can say it.
The Irish Land border has always been completely silly as a border.
Brexit wasn't the cause of it being silly.
Silly? Is that your considered opinion? The border wasn't an issue for decades, since the 90's actually. The unapproved roads were reopened, the customs and security checkpoints disappeared.
It has been pointed out several times already to you and others that the pro brexit faction gave no consideration to the border and the UK's obligations under the GFA. Silly is an understatement. Delusional is probably more accurate.
And so what is the answer to the border then ?
The border isn't the issue. The issue is was delusional belief that its possible to have your cake and eat it too that got the UK into this position.
So the U.K. has to forever be part of the EU then ?
Grown up thinking means thinking in more than one dimension. Understanding that actions have consequences and that responsibilities are responsibilities and not annoying faff.
If you are married with kids, you can’t just wake up one morning and decide that you are going to go it alone and fuck the consequences to your family.
Similarly, this country has over hundreds of years acquired responsibilities and obligations by treaties and agreements which cannot just be discarded because the grass seems greener elsewhere.
No disrespect, but you are demonstrating that same one-dimensional thought process that has led the entire Brexit debate. Change is fine - as long as existing responsibilities are adhered to before you burn your house down.
So that’s a yes then because no matter which way you go someone is going to object "
Why? Who has been objecting for the last 25 years? Only an ever-dwindling number of hard core loyalists who have suddenly found relevance again.
The U.K. could quite easily have left the political structures of the EU and retained membership of the SM and CU until such time as the U.K., Eire and the people of N Ireland could negotiate a workable agreement.
Yes, it would have taken time and yes it would mean that hard core British Nationalists would not have got their ideologically pure Brexit. But, it would have been the grown up and pragmatic way to deal with the N Ireland issue.
You can’t just have what you want if having what you want violates your other responsibilities. That is as true for us as individuals as it is for our Government. |
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"So what was it the EU didn't do wrong when they created a boarder the other month within the island of Ireland, oh that’s right it’s only the UK that has done something wrong. There’s a clown on Blackpool pleasure beach, some of you remind me of that clown.
No
The UK chose to brexit. The UK had been told that this would impact the GFA.
BoZo Johnson. Ignored the warning, lied a bit more, and carried on.
The only thing that has caused this is brexit. Nothing else, just brexit.
Got it? Good.
so you have to stay in a trading agreement? like it or not? paying for the privilege because they cant think of a way to sort it, it is their problem, they are worried about goods not us. There was a boarder before we joined eu!
Have you read what you have just written? Lol...
Why do you think every country in the world is engaged in never ending cycles of trade agreements? It’s because they facilitate trade and that stimulates the economy.
Yes there was a border in Ireland before we joined the EU and it was the cause of much violence and bloodshed. The EU and particularly the Single Market was a great facilitator of the end of hostilities in Ireland because the border infrastructure could be visibly torn down."
its you that needs to think lol it was a trade agreement, it isnt normal practice for trade agreements to impact boarders! lol we have never been dependent and nor should we be, on an eu trade deal to ensure peace in ireland!
The eu have obviously tricked you into thinking you have to agree tariffs with them or have countries fighting lol |
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"Don't know how many different ways I can say it.
The Irish Land border has always been completely silly as a border.
Brexit wasn't the cause of it being silly.
Silly? Is that your considered opinion? The border wasn't an issue for decades, since the 90's actually. The unapproved roads were reopened, the customs and security checkpoints disappeared.
It has been pointed out several times already to you and others that the pro brexit faction gave no consideration to the border and the UK's obligations under the GFA. Silly is an understatement. Delusional is probably more accurate.
And so what is the answer to the border then ?
The border isn't the issue. The issue is was delusional belief that its possible to have your cake and eat it too that got the UK into this position.
So the U.K. has to forever be part of the EU then ?
Where do you get that from? The solution is easy, just keep to the damn agreements the UK signed. The NI protocol is part of the WA and became UK law in Feb 2020.
Unilaterally changing international agreements isn't a good advertisement and it is telling the EU and the World that the UK is untrustworthy.
Boris wanted a hard brexit, the price of that is an internal customs border for the UK."
and ireland is just using the situation to stir the united ireland pot, we dont see threats of violence on Gibraltar over the boarder/trade! |
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for those that do that, yes, no, whatever, who said? really? you did it first?... just covering bases..
europe totally ignore the same stupid boarder situation around switzerland for example, and theres some other section of germany that isnt actually german, no i cant name who lives there lol and havent spoken to them lately..
the eu is making it a problem because they choose to
And the difference with the Gib border is? Seems the EU are happy for that to be removed.
Unreal "
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"But to remain in a customs union meant staying under the EU rules around free movement of people ect which the U.K. did not want to do.
And not being able to do other deals under our own terms and not the EU’s
It’s interesting when you look at the reality of Brexit that the promises made are impossible and if the truth had been told instead of the rhetoric of lies such as oven ready, get Brexit done, red bus and worst of all, seamless trade then maybe people would have realised the negative effects of leaving the EU would and sadly are having today.
It’s now project reality and it’s an expensive disaster for business.
There’s used to be 12 ferry sailing per week from Ireland to the continent . It will be 40 per week by the end of March along with much bigger ferries. That tells you everything you need to know about the problems of dealing with the U.K.’s seamless regime. "
You might find that the representatives from the ports of Belfast, Larne, Foyle and Warrenpoint have a slightly different opinion. Trade volumes ( since Jan 1 st ) are either up or similar to previous years at the ports referred to. At the Port of Larne there has not been a single day with a queue since the Brexit Transition period ended . |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Don't know how many different ways I can say it.
The Irish Land border has always been completely silly as a border.
Brexit wasn't the cause of it being silly.
Silly? Is that your considered opinion? The border wasn't an issue for decades, since the 90's actually. The unapproved roads were reopened, the customs and security checkpoints disappeared.
It has been pointed out several times already to you and others that the pro brexit faction gave no consideration to the border and the UK's obligations under the GFA. Silly is an understatement. Delusional is probably more accurate.
And so what is the answer to the border then ?
The border isn't the issue. The issue is was delusional belief that its possible to have your cake and eat it too that got the UK into this position.
So the U.K. has to forever be part of the EU then ?
Where do you get that from? The solution is easy, just keep to the damn agreements the UK signed. The NI protocol is part of the WA and became UK law in Feb 2020.
Unilaterally changing international agreements isn't a good advertisement and it is telling the EU and the World that the UK is untrustworthy.
Boris wanted a hard brexit, the price of that is an internal customs border for the UK.
and ireland is just using the situation to stir the united ireland pot, we dont see threats of violence on Gibraltar over the boarder/trade! "
I'm sorry my dance card is full at the moment, I'm not in a position to entertain or engage you. I have my limitations. Do look after yourself. |
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"Don't know how many different ways I can say it.
The Irish Land border has always been completely silly as a border.
Brexit wasn't the cause of it being silly.
Silly? Is that your considered opinion? The border wasn't an issue for decades, since the 90's actually. The unapproved roads were reopened, the customs and security checkpoints disappeared.
It has been pointed out several times already to you and others that the pro brexit faction gave no consideration to the border and the UK's obligations under the GFA. Silly is an understatement. Delusional is probably more accurate.
And so what is the answer to the border then ?
The border isn't the issue. The issue is was delusional belief that its possible to have your cake and eat it too that got the UK into this position.
So the U.K. has to forever be part of the EU then ?
Where do you get that from? The solution is easy, just keep to the damn agreements the UK signed. The NI protocol is part of the WA and became UK law in Feb 2020.
Unilaterally changing international agreements isn't a good advertisement and it is telling the EU and the World that the UK is untrustworthy.
Boris wanted a hard brexit, the price of that is an internal customs border for the UK.
and ireland is just using the situation to stir the united ireland pot, we dont see threats of violence on Gibraltar over the boarder/trade!
I'm sorry my dance card is full at the moment, I'm not in a position to entertain or engage you. I have my limitations. Do look after yourself."
of course it is but youre a poor dancer anyway, same steps same tune, boom bang a bang lol |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"But to remain in a customs union meant staying under the EU rules around free movement of people ect which the U.K. did not want to do.
And not being able to do other deals under our own terms and not the EU’s
It’s interesting when you look at the reality of Brexit that the promises made are impossible and if the truth had been told instead of the rhetoric of lies such as oven ready, get Brexit done, red bus and worst of all, seamless trade then maybe people would have realised the negative effects of leaving the EU would and sadly are having today.
It’s now project reality and it’s an expensive disaster for business.
There’s used to be 12 ferry sailing per week from Ireland to the continent . It will be 40 per week by the end of March along with much bigger ferries. That tells you everything you need to know about the problems of dealing with the U.K.’s seamless regime. You might find that the representatives from the ports of Belfast, Larne, Foyle and Warrenpoint have a slightly different opinion. Trade volumes ( since Jan 1 st ) are either up or similar to previous years at the ports referred to. At the Port of Larne there has not been a single day with a queue since the Brexit Transition period ended . "
Yes and no queues as the admin isn’t applied yet. Let’s see when the full system is applied. Hang on the U.K. government are now holding back on that . Why is that? I can tell you. It’s the same reason there are limited import checks at Dover. Everything will grind to a halt if the full system of checks is implemented.
If it’s all going so well why do we need an increase in the grace period and why are they still struggling to fill supermarket shelves in Northern Ireland?
We’ve just moved loads which previously shipped out of Belfast to Portugal and Spain from Belfast port to Dublin as it’s now cheaper and the bonus of no customs paperwork to worry about but I’ve only been doing this for 35 years so what the fuck do I know.
Those trucks now bypassing the U.K. to mainland Europe will eventually lead to more expensive exports from the U.K. to Ireland due to supply and demand. There won’t be enough empty trucks going home through the U.K. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Don't know how many different ways I can say it.
The Irish Land border has always been completely silly as a border.
Brexit wasn't the cause of it being silly.
Silly? Is that your considered opinion? The border wasn't an issue for decades, since the 90's actually. The unapproved roads were reopened, the customs and security checkpoints disappeared.
It has been pointed out several times already to you and others that the pro brexit faction gave no consideration to the border and the UK's obligations under the GFA. Silly is an understatement. Delusional is probably more accurate.
And so what is the answer to the border then ?
The border isn't the issue. The issue is was delusional belief that its possible to have your cake and eat it too that got the UK into this position.
So the U.K. has to forever be part of the EU then ?
Where do you get that from? The solution is easy, just keep to the damn agreements the UK signed. The NI protocol is part of the WA and became UK law in Feb 2020.
Unilaterally changing international agreements isn't a good advertisement and it is telling the EU and the World that the UK is untrustworthy.
Boris wanted a hard brexit, the price of that is an internal customs border for the UK.
and ireland is just using the situation to stir the united ireland pot, we dont see threats of violence on Gibraltar over the boarder/trade!
I'm sorry my dance card is full at the moment, I'm not in a position to entertain or engage you. I have my limitations. Do look after yourself.
of course it is but youre a poor dancer anyway, same steps same tune, boom bang a bang lol "
Facts and reality matter more to me whereas your delusional sense of grievance and victimhood ensure that you never have to deal with reality. So back to the real world... |
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"Don't know how many different ways I can say it.
The Irish Land border has always been completely silly as a border.
Brexit wasn't the cause of it being silly.
Silly? Is that your considered opinion? The border wasn't an issue for decades, since the 90's actually. The unapproved roads were reopened, the customs and security checkpoints disappeared.
It has been pointed out several times already to you and others that the pro brexit faction gave no consideration to the border and the UK's obligations under the GFA. Silly is an understatement. Delusional is probably more accurate.
And so what is the answer to the border then ?
The border isn't the issue. The issue is was delusional belief that its possible to have your cake and eat it too that got the UK into this position.
So the U.K. has to forever be part of the EU then ?
Where do you get that from? The solution is easy, just keep to the damn agreements the UK signed. The NI protocol is part of the WA and became UK law in Feb 2020.
Unilaterally changing international agreements isn't a good advertisement and it is telling the EU and the World that the UK is untrustworthy.
Boris wanted a hard brexit, the price of that is an internal customs border for the UK.
and ireland is just using the situation to stir the united ireland pot, we dont see threats of violence on Gibraltar over the boarder/trade!
I'm sorry my dance card is full at the moment, I'm not in a position to entertain or engage you. I have my limitations. Do look after yourself.
of course it is but youre a poor dancer anyway, same steps same tune, boom bang a bang lol
Facts and reality matter more to me whereas your delusional sense of grievance and victimhood ensure that you never have to deal with reality. So back to the real world..."
just more made up guff, you dont actually know any of that, and have come back to thread but still not said why gib/spain is different boom bang a bang... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"OP, I never thought you as observationally challenged as your ideological cohorts but the suggestion in your post has no foundation in reality. Please tell me you're trolling.
Yea I made up the story above. I work for that News Agency. Sozzy. My Bad.
It’s not the story, it’s your interpretation.
You decided to burn the house down whilst ignoring the plight of the Firemen. It’s not the Firemen’s fault, it’s not your neighbours fault. You own this. You championed the cause of Brexit, you ridiculed the prospect of Brexit risking the GFA and labelled any potential problem as Project Fear.
This is happening because of Brexit. That’s it.
Now here is the part that's not been said out loud. Boris is responsible for the NI protocol. T May couldn't bring herself to agreeing to a customs border between the UK and NI, so her solution was the UK and NI remain in a customs union with the EU. Boris, the ERG and DUP voted against May's deal three times. After stabbing May in the back, Boris went ahead and accepted that NI would remain in a customs union with the EU and UK was free to pursue a hard brexit. In addition to doing the dirty to May, Boris also betrayed the DUP.
Now the Unionist and Loyalist mindset cannot publicly acknowledge that the Tories betrayed them again. The suggestion the EU is responsible for this situation is, simply put, untrue.
Had the UK been realistic prior to the 2016 referendum this fuckup could have been avoided but magic sky thinking, delusional exceptionalism, weaponised nationalism and a big red bus driven by a man known for his inability to tell the truth. Brexit meant Brexit, nobody had a clue what it actually meant. Now we're seeing what it's like when the rubber meets the road. As the saying goes, welcome to the Brexit.
So how could the border solution have been achieved then ?
No matter what you do one side would not be happy "
That's the whole point
Or even better give Ireland back to Ireland. Anyone who wants to stay in the UK are free to come over. |
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"OP, I never thought you as observationally challenged as your ideological cohorts but the suggestion in your post has no foundation in reality. Please tell me you're trolling.
Yea I made up the story above. I work for that News Agency. Sozzy. My Bad.
It’s not the story, it’s your interpretation.
You decided to burn the house down whilst ignoring the plight of the Firemen. It’s not the Firemen’s fault, it’s not your neighbours fault. You own this. You championed the cause of Brexit, you ridiculed the prospect of Brexit risking the GFA and labelled any potential problem as Project Fear.
This is happening because of Brexit. That’s it.
Now here is the part that's not been said out loud. Boris is responsible for the NI protocol. T May couldn't bring herself to agreeing to a customs border between the UK and NI, so her solution was the UK and NI remain in a customs union with the EU. Boris, the ERG and DUP voted against May's deal three times. After stabbing May in the back, Boris went ahead and accepted that NI would remain in a customs union with the EU and UK was free to pursue a hard brexit. In addition to doing the dirty to May, Boris also betrayed the DUP.
Now the Unionist and Loyalist mindset cannot publicly acknowledge that the Tories betrayed them again. The suggestion the EU is responsible for this situation is, simply put, untrue.
Had the UK been realistic prior to the 2016 referendum this fuckup could have been avoided but magic sky thinking, delusional exceptionalism, weaponised nationalism and a big red bus driven by a man known for his inability to tell the truth. Brexit meant Brexit, nobody had a clue what it actually meant. Now we're seeing what it's like when the rubber meets the road. As the saying goes, welcome to the Brexit.
So how could the border solution have been achieved then ?
No matter what you do one side would not be happy
That's the whole point
Or even better give Ireland back to Ireland. Anyone who wants to stay in the UK are free to come over. "
you want the residents of NI to flee their homeland so southern ireland can occupy it lol can england do that to scotland and wales lol england has the numbers lol but both beat england at rugby! |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"Don't know how many different ways I can say it.
The Irish Land border has always been completely silly as a border.
Brexit wasn't the cause of it being silly.
Silly? Is that your considered opinion? The border wasn't an issue for decades, since the 90's actually. The unapproved roads were reopened, the customs and security checkpoints disappeared.
It has been pointed out several times already to you and others that the pro brexit faction gave no consideration to the border and the UK's obligations under the GFA. Silly is an understatement. Delusional is probably more accurate.
And so what is the answer to the border then ?
The border isn't the issue. The issue is was delusional belief that its possible to have your cake and eat it too that got the UK into this position.
So the U.K. has to forever be part of the EU then ?
Where do you get that from? The solution is easy, just keep to the damn agreements the UK signed. The NI protocol is part of the WA and became UK law in Feb 2020.
Unilaterally changing international agreements isn't a good advertisement and it is telling the EU and the World that the UK is untrustworthy.
Boris wanted a hard brexit, the price of that is an internal customs border for the UK.
and ireland is just using the situation to stir the united ireland pot, we dont see threats of violence on Gibraltar over the boarder/trade!
I'm sorry my dance card is full at the moment, I'm not in a position to entertain or engage you. I have my limitations. Do look after yourself.
of course it is but youre a poor dancer anyway, same steps same tune, boom bang a bang lol
Facts and reality matter more to me whereas your delusional sense of grievance and victimhood ensure that you never have to deal with reality. So back to the real world...
just more made up guff, you dont actually know any of that, and have come back to thread but still not said why gib/spain is different boom bang a bang... "
You don't know what you're talking about and I don't have the humour to entertain you or the patience to endure you. |
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"Don't know how many different ways I can say it.
The Irish Land border has always been completely silly as a border.
Brexit wasn't the cause of it being silly.
Silly? Is that your considered opinion? The border wasn't an issue for decades, since the 90's actually. The unapproved roads were reopened, the customs and security checkpoints disappeared.
It has been pointed out several times already to you and others that the pro brexit faction gave no consideration to the border and the UK's obligations under the GFA. Silly is an understatement. Delusional is probably more accurate.
And so what is the answer to the border then ?
The border isn't the issue. The issue is was delusional belief that its possible to have your cake and eat it too that got the UK into this position.
So the U.K. has to forever be part of the EU then ?
Where do you get that from? The solution is easy, just keep to the damn agreements the UK signed. The NI protocol is part of the WA and became UK law in Feb 2020.
Unilaterally changing international agreements isn't a good advertisement and it is telling the EU and the World that the UK is untrustworthy.
Boris wanted a hard brexit, the price of that is an internal customs border for the UK.
and ireland is just using the situation to stir the united ireland pot, we dont see threats of violence on Gibraltar over the boarder/trade!
I'm sorry my dance card is full at the moment, I'm not in a position to entertain or engage you. I have my limitations. Do look after yourself.
of course it is but youre a poor dancer anyway, same steps same tune, boom bang a bang lol
Facts and reality matter more to me whereas your delusional sense of grievance and victimhood ensure that you never have to deal with reality. So back to the real world...
just more made up guff, you dont actually know any of that, and have come back to thread but still not said why gib/spain is different boom bang a bang...
You don't know what you're talking about and I don't have the humour to entertain you or the patience to endure you. "
still just spouting guff then lol boom bang a bang |
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
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for those that do that, yes, no, whatever, who said? really? you did it first?... just covering bases..
europe totally ignore the same stupid boarder situation around switzerland for example, and theres some other section of germany that isnt actually german, no i cant name who lives there lol and havent spoken to them lately..
the eu is making it a problem because they choose to
And the difference with the Gib border is? Seems the EU are happy for that to be removed.
Not sure but think it’s been a few hundred years since there was regular violence between political factions in Gibraltar.
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They didn't get a chance. It may surprise some that this border was totally shut in the 80's. A period when we were all in the EU and I didn't see the EU complaining then. In the near future it is being opened up totally. So if the EU can administer and accept that invisible border then what is the difference in not having a border in Ireland. Both the EU and UK have the same status. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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for those that do that, yes, no, whatever, who said? really? you did it first?... just covering bases..
europe totally ignore the same stupid boarder situation around switzerland for example, and theres some other section of germany that isnt actually german, no i cant name who lives there lol and havent spoken to them lately..
the eu is making it a problem because they choose to
And the difference with the Gib border is? Seems the EU are happy for that to be removed.
Not sure but think it’s been a few hundred years since there was regular violence between political factions in Gibraltar.
They didn't get a chance. It may surprise some that this border was totally shut in the 80's. A period when we were all in the EU and I didn't see the EU complaining then. In the near future it is being opened up totally. So if the EU can administer and accept that invisible border then what is the difference in not having a border in Ireland. Both the EU and UK have the same status. "
The Eu was only created in 1993. |
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