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" A LEADING France expert has praised Brexit as a "success," telling the BBC that Britain is in a far better position than Europe
Brexit has been a success, according to political expert Marc Roche, who said Britain "is in better position than Europe". Mr Roche, who writes for the French weekly Le Point, said that Britain can expect its economy to bounce back while the EU could languish until the end of the year "
At last, a Brexit bonus to behold, French "expert, no less" Marc Roche says so. He doesn't say what or how Brexit has been a success but I guess we don't need to unnecessarily burden ourselves trying to figure it out.
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" A LEADING France expert has praised Brexit as a "success," telling the BBC that Britain is in a far better position than Europe
Brexit has been a success, according to political expert Marc Roche, who said Britain "is in better position than Europe". Mr Roche, who writes for the French weekly Le Point, said that Britain can expect its economy to bounce back while the EU could languish until the end of the year
At last, a Brexit bonus to behold, French "expert, no less" Marc Roche says so. He doesn't say what or how Brexit has been a success but I guess we don't need to unnecessarily burden ourselves trying to figure it out.
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Think that’s probably because we are ahead of the game vaccine wise and will be able to theoretically get business up and running quicker. I doubt it’s Brexit specific.
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" A LEADING France expert has praised Brexit as a "success," telling the BBC that Britain is in a far better position than Europe
Brexit has been a success, according to political expert Marc Roche, who said Britain "is in better position than Europe". Mr Roche, who writes for the French weekly Le Point, said that Britain can expect its economy to bounce back while the EU could languish until the end of the year
At last, a Brexit bonus to behold, French "expert, no less" Marc Roche says so. He doesn't say what or how Brexit has been a success but I guess we don't need to unnecessarily burden ourselves trying to figure it out.
Think that’s probably because we are ahead of the game vaccine wise and will be able to theoretically get business up and running quicker. I doubt it’s Brexit specific.
I hate to be that guy "
“ ahead of the game “ we may be in first vaccine inoculations it would appear we are somewhat dawdling in the the secondary stage of. Meaning we may not be fully vaccinated much before anyone else ..
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"We all want what's best for the country. Some of us just happen to think that it's better to be in the club helping make the rules rather than standing outside complaining about the rules. "
Ah right, that’s a new one. Which laws were made by Brussels that wouldn’t have happened without the UKs influence?
Can’t think of any personally. |
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" A LEADING France expert has praised Brexit as a "success," telling the BBC that Britain is in a far better position than Europe
Brexit has been a success, according to political expert Marc Roche, who said Britain "is in better position than Europe". Mr Roche, who writes for the French weekly Le Point, said that Britain can expect its economy to bounce back while the EU could languish until the end of the year
At last, a Brexit bonus to behold, French "expert, no less" Marc Roche says so. He doesn't say what or how Brexit has been a success but I guess we don't need to unnecessarily burden ourselves trying to figure it out.
Think that’s probably because we are ahead of the game vaccine wise and will be able to theoretically get business up and running quicker. I doubt it’s Brexit specific.
I hate to be that guy
“ ahead of the game “ we may be in first vaccine inoculations it would appear we are somewhat dawdling in the the secondary stage of. Meaning we may not be fully vaccinated much before anyone else ..
Hate to be that Transvestite "
I was rather trying to counter the Ops point. And when I meant hating to be that guy I meant bursting the Brexit bubble. But ok |
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"We all want what's best for the country. Some of us just happen to think that it's better to be in the club helping make the rules rather than standing outside complaining about the rules.
Ah right, that’s a new one. Which laws were made by Brussels that wouldn’t have happened without the UKs influence?
Can’t think of any personally. "
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We were involved in everything that came out of Brussels for the last 40 years or hadn't you noticed? That includes all the laws on 3rd countries that now affect us directly which has resulted in the destruction of the fishing industry and has put a border in the Irish Sea.
Did you see George Eustace interviewed by Cathy Newman on Channel 4 this week? He didn't just make a mistake in the interview, flat out lying about the EU changing the rules on molluscs, despite him writing a report 3 weeks earlier acknowledging the specific problem she asked him about.
Your heroes openly gaslight us about the problems even existing, and where they can't be ignored they refuse to acknowledge that we were involved in writing the rules that now apply to us.
If only we'd had some representation on those fishing committees for all those years... |
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He did elaborate, quite a bit I thought.
From the BBC Interveiw:
Mr Roche explained: "The challenge of Brexit is not what we expected.
"Because the impact will be mid-term on foreign investment, and whether they will use the UK as a springboard to Europe again or will they just cater to the domestic market.
"Besides the little problems we have seen, Brexit has been quite a success in the short-term for the Government, and the Government doesn't have to be too preoccupied by that.
"The big question is about how to relaunch the economy."
He went on to compare Britain's economic position to the EU, telling the BBC: "Britain is in a good situation, better than Europe.
"The success of the vaccinations has given an optimistic factor and one can except the economy to bounce back like in the US over the summer.
"Europe will be waiting until the fourth quarter to return."
The remarks comes as Mr Sunak prepares to kick-start Britain's economy following lockdown."
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"We all want what's best for the country. Some of us just happen to think that it's better to be in the club helping make the rules rather than standing outside complaining about the rules.
Ah right, that’s a new one. Which laws were made by Brussels that wouldn’t have happened without the UKs influence?
Can’t think of any personally. "
You might want to look at the pressure to create the single market as an example of the UKs input to the EU legislative process. Also the UK lead on legislation around the internal market.
Perhaps it may be best if you took time to research the rapporteur process and it's impact on policy making ( the precursor to legislation ). |
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"We all want what's best for the country. Some of us just happen to think that it's better to be in the club helping make the rules rather than standing outside complaining about the rules.
Ah right, that’s a new one. Which laws were made by Brussels that wouldn’t have happened without the UKs influence?
Can’t think of any personally.
You might want to look at the pressure to create the single market as an example of the UKs input to the EU legislative process. Also the UK lead on legislation around the internal market.
Perhaps it may be best if you took time to research the rapporteur process and it's impact on policy making ( the precursor to legislation )."
Also which I find ever so ironic , is the the UK was the leading and at times only advocate for the enlargement of the European Union .
After the sudden collapse of the Soviet Union it was feared by ourselves that former Soviet Eastern European countries would collapse into Anarchy and Dictatorships and who knows what with the withdrawal of power from Moscow .. Other members France and Germany for example were not so keen . There’s plenty to read on Britain’s influence and the shaping of the European Union .. In many respects it’s exactly the shape we wanted it to be .
Also just a quick note in British voting history whilst in the EU
Official EU voting records* show that the British government has voted ‘No’ to laws passed at EU level on 56 occasions, abstained 70 times, and voted ‘Yes’ 2,466 times since 1999, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellows Sara Hagemann and Simon Hix.
In other words, UK ministers were on the “winning side” 95% of the time, abstained 3% of the time, and were on the losing side 2%.
This is counting votes in the EU Council of Ministers, which passes most EU laws jointly with the European Parliament. |
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"We already know this, and yes it’s Brexit specific. Nice to see remainers coming on board and getting behind the country "
Indeed but can you explain what this French gentleman didn't in what or how Brexit is being good for Great Britain because he failed to do so?
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"We all want what's best for the country. Some of us just happen to think that it's better to be in the club helping make the rules rather than standing outside complaining about the rules.
Ah right, that’s a new one. Which laws were made by Brussels that wouldn’t have happened without the UKs influence?
Can’t think of any personally.
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We were involved in everything that came out of Brussels for the last 40 years or hadn't you noticed? That includes all the laws on 3rd countries that now affect us directly which has resulted in the destruction of the fishing industry and has put a border in the Irish Sea.
Did you see George Eustace interviewed by Cathy Newman on Channel 4 this week? He didn't just make a mistake in the interview, flat out lying about the EU changing the rules on molluscs, despite him writing a report 3 weeks earlier acknowledging the specific problem she asked him about.
Your heroes openly gaslight us about the problems even existing, and where they can't be ignored they refuse to acknowledge that we were involved in writing the rules that now apply to us.
If only we'd had some representation on those fishing committees for all those years... "
My question was quite specific and didn’t require anyone to express personal opinions, just legislative facts -
Which EU laws would not have happened without Britain? |
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"tting behind the country
Indeed but can you explain what this French gentleman didn't in what or how Brexit is being good for Great Britain because he failed to do so?
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He did elaborate, quite a bit I thought.
From the BBC Interview:
Mr Roche explained: "The challenge of Brexit is not what we expected.
"Because the impact will be mid-term on foreign investment, and whether they will use the UK as a springboard to Europe again or will they just cater to the domestic market.
"Besides the little problems we have seen, Brexit has been quite a success in the short-term for the Government, and the Government doesn't have to be too preoccupied by that.
"The big question is about how to relaunch the economy."
He went on to compare Britain's economic position to the EU, telling the BBC: "Britain is in a good situation, better than Europe.
"The success of the vaccinations has given an optimistic factor and one can except the economy to bounce back like in the US over the summer.
"Europe will be waiting until the fourth quarter to return."
The remarks comes as Mr Sunak prepares to kick-start Britain's economy following lockdown."
You can watch him say it on the BBC on youtube. |
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"We all want what's best for the country. Some of us just happen to think that it's better to be in the club helping make the rules rather than standing outside complaining about the rules.
Ah right, that’s a new one. Which laws were made by Brussels that wouldn’t have happened without the UKs influence?
Can’t think of any personally.
You might want to look at the pressure to create the single market as an example of the UKs input to the EU legislative process. Also the UK lead on legislation around the internal market.
Perhaps it may be best if you took time to research the rapporteur process and it's impact on policy making ( the precursor to legislation )."
The single market / Maastricht was us using our Commonwealth and Empire organisational experience to help the Brussels neophytes rather than instituting new legislation. |
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" A LEADING France expert has praised Brexit as a "success," telling the BBC that Britain is in a far better position than Europe
Brexit has been a success, according to political expert Marc Roche, who said Britain "is in better position than Europe". Mr Roche, who writes for the French weekly Le Point, said that Britain can expect its economy to bounce back while the EU could languish until the end of the year
At last, a Brexit bonus to behold, French "expert, no less" Marc Roche says so. He doesn't say what or how Brexit has been a success but I guess we don't need to unnecessarily burden ourselves trying to figure it out.
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You do not need to be some so called expert to know this just an idiot not to know it |
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" A LEADING France expert has praised Brexit as a "success," telling the BBC that Britain is in a far better position than Europe
Brexit has been a success, according to political expert Marc Roche, who said Britain "is in better position than Europe". Mr Roche, who writes for the French weekly Le Point, said that Britain can expect its economy to bounce back while the EU could languish until the end of the year
At last, a Brexit bonus to behold, French "expert, no less" Marc Roche says so. He doesn't say what or how Brexit has been a success but I guess we don't need to unnecessarily burden ourselves trying to figure it out.
You do not need to be some so called expert to know this just an idiot not to know it"
OK if you're able to inform us what it is that's benefitting us because of Brexit without spitting or calling people names then the floor is yours |
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"We all want what's best for the country. Some of us just happen to think that it's better to be in the club helping make the rules rather than standing outside complaining about the rules.
Ah right, that’s a new one. Which laws were made by Brussels that wouldn’t have happened without the UKs influence?
Can’t think of any personally.
?
We were involved in everything that came out of Brussels for the last 40 years or hadn't you noticed? That includes all the laws on 3rd countries that now affect us directly which has resulted in the destruction of the fishing industry and has put a border in the Irish Sea.
Did you see George Eustace interviewed by Cathy Newman on Channel 4 this week? He didn't just make a mistake in the interview, flat out lying about the EU changing the rules on molluscs, despite him writing a report 3 weeks earlier acknowledging the specific problem she asked him about.
Your heroes openly gaslight us about the problems even existing, and where they can't be ignored they refuse to acknowledge that we were involved in writing the rules that now apply to us.
If only we'd had some representation on those fishing committees for all those years...
My question was quite specific and didn’t require anyone to express personal opinions, just legislative facts -
Which EU laws would not have happened without Britain?"
I didn't express any opinions. Everything I said was a fact,including that everything Brussels did for the last 40 years had our fingerprints on it. As an example, the rules that the EU impose on 3rd countries were written by us in part. Unfortunately those rules now ensure that our industries are disadvantaged when dealing with Europe.
No opinion there, just facts. |
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"We all want what's best for the country. Some of us just happen to think that it's better to be in the club helping make the rules rather than standing outside complaining about the rules.
Ah right, that’s a new one. Which laws were made by Brussels that wouldn’t have happened without the UKs influence?
Can’t think of any personally.
?
We were involved in everything that came out of Brussels for the last 40 years or hadn't you noticed? That includes all the laws on 3rd countries that now affect us directly which has resulted in the destruction of the fishing industry and has put a border in the Irish Sea.
Did you see George Eustace interviewed by Cathy Newman on Channel 4 this week? He didn't just make a mistake in the interview, flat out lying about the EU changing the rules on molluscs, despite him writing a report 3 weeks earlier acknowledging the specific problem she asked him about.
Your heroes openly gaslight us about the problems even existing, and where they can't be ignored they refuse to acknowledge that we were involved in writing the rules that now apply to us.
If only we'd had some representation on those fishing committees for all those years...
My question was quite specific and didn’t require anyone to express personal opinions, just legislative facts -
Which EU laws would not have happened without Britain?
I didn't express any opinions. Everything I said was a fact,including that everything Brussels did for the last 40 years had our fingerprints on it. As an example, the rules that the EU impose on 3rd countries were written by us in part. Unfortunately those rules now ensure that our industries are disadvantaged when dealing with Europe.
No opinion there, just facts. "
That’s just a vague assertion, not a fact. |
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"We all want what's best for the country. Some of us just happen to think that it's better to be in the club helping make the rules rather than standing outside complaining about the rules.
Ah right, that’s a new one. Which laws were made by Brussels that wouldn’t have happened without the UKs influence?
Can’t think of any personally.
?
We were involved in everything that came out of Brussels for the last 40 years or hadn't you noticed? That includes all the laws on 3rd countries that now affect us directly which has resulted in the destruction of the fishing industry and has put a border in the Irish Sea.
Did you see George Eustace interviewed by Cathy Newman on Channel 4 this week? He didn't just make a mistake in the interview, flat out lying about the EU changing the rules on molluscs, despite him writing a report 3 weeks earlier acknowledging the specific problem she asked him about.
Your heroes openly gaslight us about the problems even existing, and where they can't be ignored they refuse to acknowledge that we were involved in writing the rules that now apply to us.
If only we'd had some representation on those fishing committees for all those years...
My question was quite specific and didn’t require anyone to express personal opinions, just legislative facts -
Which EU laws would not have happened without Britain?
I didn't express any opinions. Everything I said was a fact,including that everything Brussels did for the last 40 years had our fingerprints on it. As an example, the rules that the EU impose on 3rd countries were written by us in part. Unfortunately those rules now ensure that our industries are disadvantaged when dealing with Europe.
No opinion there, just facts.
That’s just a vague assertion, not a fact. "
As we've seen for the last 5 years, you can give someone facts but they refuse to acknowledge them as facts.
We helped write all the rules for 40 years. Those same rules are now destroying British businesses. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is now a border in the Irish Sea. Not an opinion, a fact.
You're a troll. That's an opinion but there's enough evidence on this forum that it could be considered a fact. |
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"We all want what's best for the country. Some of us just happen to think that it's better to be in the club helping make the rules rather than standing outside complaining about the rules.
Ah right, that’s a new one. Which laws were made by Brussels that wouldn’t have happened without the UKs influence?
Can’t think of any personally.
?
We were involved in everything that came out of Brussels for the last 40 years or hadn't you noticed? That includes all the laws on 3rd countries that now affect us directly which has resulted in the destruction of the fishing industry and has put a border in the Irish Sea.
Did you see George Eustace interviewed by Cathy Newman on Channel 4 this week? He didn't just make a mistake in the interview, flat out lying about the EU changing the rules on molluscs, despite him writing a report 3 weeks earlier acknowledging the specific problem she asked him about.
Your heroes openly gaslight us about the problems even existing, and where they can't be ignored they refuse to acknowledge that we were involved in writing the rules that now apply to us.
If only we'd had some representation on those fishing committees for all those years...
My question was quite specific and didn’t require anyone to express personal opinions, just legislative facts -
Which EU laws would not have happened without Britain?
I didn't express any opinions. Everything I said was a fact,including that everything Brussels did for the last 40 years had our fingerprints on it. As an example, the rules that the EU impose on 3rd countries were written by us in part. Unfortunately those rules now ensure that our industries are disadvantaged when dealing with Europe.
No opinion there, just facts.
That’s just a vague assertion, not a fact.
As we've seen for the last 5 years, you can give someone facts but they refuse to acknowledge them as facts.
We helped write all the rules for 40 years. Those same rules are now destroying British businesses. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is now a border in the Irish Sea. Not an opinion, a fact.
You're a troll. That's an opinion but there's enough evidence on this forum that it could be considered a fact. "
That's what's so pathetic with our Government.
In most part regarding Brexit and the consequences of leaving, the UK was part and parcel of drawing up and approving along with every other member state how 3rd countries were to be treated and dealt with by the European Union but now WE have become one of them 3rd countries by default of Brexit our shower of shit ministers are trying to make out the EU is punishing our industries.
Fucking idiots, we were part of drawing up the rules and now "we're shocked" the EU is following then rules. |
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"We all want what's best for the country. Some of us just happen to think that it's better to be in the club helping make the rules rather than standing outside complaining about the rules.
Ah right, that’s a new one. Which laws were made by Brussels that wouldn’t have happened without the UKs influence?
Can’t think of any personally.
?
We were involved in everything that came out of Brussels for the last 40 years or hadn't you noticed? That includes all the laws on 3rd countries that now affect us directly which has resulted in the destruction of the fishing industry and has put a border in the Irish Sea.
Did you see George Eustace interviewed by Cathy Newman on Channel 4 this week? He didn't just make a mistake in the interview, flat out lying about the EU changing the rules on molluscs, despite him writing a report 3 weeks earlier acknowledging the specific problem she asked him about.
Your heroes openly gaslight us about the problems even existing, and where they can't be ignored they refuse to acknowledge that we were involved in writing the rules that now apply to us.
If only we'd had some representation on those fishing committees for all those years...
My question was quite specific and didn’t require anyone to express personal opinions, just legislative facts -
Which EU laws would not have happened without Britain?
I didn't express any opinions. Everything I said was a fact,including that everything Brussels did for the last 40 years had our fingerprints on it. As an example, the rules that the EU impose on 3rd countries were written by us in part. Unfortunately those rules now ensure that our industries are disadvantaged when dealing with Europe.
No opinion there, just facts.
That’s just a vague assertion, not a fact.
As we've seen for the last 5 years, you can give someone facts but they refuse to acknowledge them as facts.
We helped write all the rules for 40 years. Those same rules are now destroying British businesses. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is now a border in the Irish Sea. Not an opinion, a fact.
You're a troll. That's an opinion but there's enough evidence on this forum that it could be considered a fact. "
It’s quite a frequent reaction when given something thought provoking to dismiss it instantly.
I tend to find a lot of fabbers if they take the time to reflect often come back and say, actually, JuliaChris, you were right about that. |
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"We all want what's best for the country. Some of us just happen to think that it's better to be in the club helping make the rules rather than standing outside complaining about the rules. "
Maybe so but for me that's irrelevant and has been since 2016.
What is needed though is for us to collectively own what the majority voted for and stop lying and twisting the facts and stop rewriting history and instead own the consequences of our decisions and face them head on.
That means admitting Brexit is and has already has cost and will continue to cost the UK a fortune which has already dwarfed our EU membership fees for decades already before we will be able to stem the losses and start to reclaim lost ground,then we may start to see some benefits.
Once we can all inhabit the same area of reality then the country would be able to move forward more as one compared to how it is now because until the reality of our situation is acknowledged by both sides we're just going to continue on the same path as we are now. |
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I tend to find a lot of fabbers if they take the time to reflect often come back and say, actually, JuliaChris, you were right about that. "
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"We all want what's best for the country. Some of us just happen to think that it's better to be in the club helping make the rules rather than standing outside complaining about the rules.
Ah right, that’s a new one. Which laws were made by Brussels that wouldn’t have happened without the UKs influence?
Can’t think of any personally.
?
We were involved in everything that came out of Brussels for the last 40 years or hadn't you noticed? That includes all the laws on 3rd countries that now affect us directly which has resulted in the destruction of the fishing industry and has put a border in the Irish Sea.
Did you see George Eustace interviewed by Cathy Newman on Channel 4 this week? He didn't just make a mistake in the interview, flat out lying about the EU changing the rules on molluscs, despite him writing a report 3 weeks earlier acknowledging the specific problem she asked him about.
Your heroes openly gaslight us about the problems even existing, and where they can't be ignored they refuse to acknowledge that we were involved in writing the rules that now apply to us.
If only we'd had some representation on those fishing committees for all those years...
My question was quite specific and didn’t require anyone to express personal opinions, just legislative facts -
Which EU laws would not have happened without Britain?
I didn't express any opinions. Everything I said was a fact,including that everything Brussels did for the last 40 years had our fingerprints on it. As an example, the rules that the EU impose on 3rd countries were written by us in part. Unfortunately those rules now ensure that our industries are disadvantaged when dealing with Europe.
No opinion there, just facts.
That’s just a vague assertion, not a fact.
As we've seen for the last 5 years, you can give someone facts but they refuse to acknowledge them as facts.
We helped write all the rules for 40 years. Those same rules are now destroying British businesses. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is now a border in the Irish Sea. Not an opinion, a fact.
You're a troll. That's an opinion but there's enough evidence on this forum that it could be considered a fact.
It’s quite a frequent reaction when given something thought provoking to dismiss it instantly.
I tend to find a lot of fabbers if they take the time to reflect often come back and say, actually, JuliaChris, you were right about that. "
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"We all want what's best for the country. Some of us just happen to think that it's better to be in the club helping make the rules rather than standing outside complaining about the rules.
Ah right, that’s a new one. Which laws were made by Brussels that wouldn’t have happened without the UKs influence?
Can’t think of any personally.
?
We were involved in everything that came out of Brussels for the last 40 years or hadn't you noticed? That includes all the laws on 3rd countries that now affect us directly which has resulted in the destruction of the fishing industry and has put a border in the Irish Sea.
Did you see George Eustace interviewed by Cathy Newman on Channel 4 this week? He didn't just make a mistake in the interview, flat out lying about the EU changing the rules on molluscs, despite him writing a report 3 weeks earlier acknowledging the specific problem she asked him about.
Your heroes openly gaslight us about the problems even existing, and where they can't be ignored they refuse to acknowledge that we were involved in writing the rules that now apply to us.
If only we'd had some representation on those fishing committees for all those years...
My question was quite specific and didn’t require anyone to express personal opinions, just legislative facts -
Which EU laws would not have happened without Britain?
I didn't express any opinions. Everything I said was a fact,including that everything Brussels did for the last 40 years had our fingerprints on it. As an example, the rules that the EU impose on 3rd countries were written by us in part. Unfortunately those rules now ensure that our industries are disadvantaged when dealing with Europe.
No opinion there, just facts.
That’s just a vague assertion, not a fact.
As we've seen for the last 5 years, you can give someone facts but they refuse to acknowledge them as facts.
We helped write all the rules for 40 years. Those same rules are now destroying British businesses. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is now a border in the Irish Sea. Not an opinion, a fact.
You're a troll. That's an opinion but there's enough evidence on this forum that it could be considered a fact.
It’s quite a frequent reaction when given something thought provoking to dismiss it instantly.
I tend to find a lot of fabbers if they take the time to reflect often come back and say, actually, JuliaChris, you were right about that. "
I'm dismissing nothing. You asked for facts and I've given you facts. Unfortunately you don't like the facts I've given you so you revert to tory default setting and pretend you haven't heard. |
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I tend to find a lot of fabbers if they take the time to reflect often come back and say, actually, JuliaChris, you were right about that.
I must admit I must have missed all those conversations "
Love to see a list of those names |
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"We all want what's best for the country. Some of us just happen to think that it's better to be in the club helping make the rules rather than standing outside complaining about the rules.
Ah right, that’s a new one. Which laws were made by Brussels that wouldn’t have happened without the UKs influence?
Can’t think of any personally.
?
We were involved in everything that came out of Brussels for the last 40 years or hadn't you noticed? That includes all the laws on 3rd countries that now affect us directly which has resulted in the destruction of the fishing industry and has put a border in the Irish Sea.
Did you see George Eustace interviewed by Cathy Newman on Channel 4 this week? He didn't just make a mistake in the interview, flat out lying about the EU changing the rules on molluscs, despite him writing a report 3 weeks earlier acknowledging the specific problem she asked him about.
Your heroes openly gaslight us about the problems even existing, and where they can't be ignored they refuse to acknowledge that we were involved in writing the rules that now apply to us.
If only we'd had some representation on those fishing committees for all those years...
My question was quite specific and didn’t require anyone to express personal opinions, just legislative facts -
Which EU laws would not have happened without Britain?
I didn't express any opinions. Everything I said was a fact,including that everything Brussels did for the last 40 years had our fingerprints on it. As an example, the rules that the EU impose on 3rd countries were written by us in part. Unfortunately those rules now ensure that our industries are disadvantaged when dealing with Europe.
No opinion there, just facts.
That’s just a vague assertion, not a fact.
As we've seen for the last 5 years, you can give someone facts but they refuse to acknowledge them as facts.
We helped write all the rules for 40 years. Those same rules are now destroying British businesses. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is now a border in the Irish Sea. Not an opinion, a fact.
You're a troll. That's an opinion but there's enough evidence on this forum that it could be considered a fact.
It’s quite a frequent reaction when given something thought provoking to dismiss it instantly.
I tend to find a lot of fabbers if they take the time to reflect often come back and say, actually, JuliaChris, you were right about that. "
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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"We all want what's best for the country. Some of us just happen to think that it's better to be in the club helping make the rules rather than standing outside complaining about the rules.
Ah right, that’s a new one. Which laws were made by Brussels that wouldn’t have happened without the UKs influence?
Can’t think of any personally.
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We were involved in everything that came out of Brussels for the last 40 years or hadn't you noticed? That includes all the laws on 3rd countries that now affect us directly which has resulted in the destruction of the fishing industry and has put a border in the Irish Sea.
Did you see George Eustace interviewed by Cathy Newman on Channel 4 this week? He didn't just make a mistake in the interview, flat out lying about the EU changing the rules on molluscs, despite him writing a report 3 weeks earlier acknowledging the specific problem she asked him about.
Your heroes openly gaslight us about the problems even existing, and where they can't be ignored they refuse to acknowledge that we were involved in writing the rules that now apply to us.
If only we'd had some representation on those fishing committees for all those years...
My question was quite specific and didn’t require anyone to express personal opinions, just legislative facts -
Which EU laws would not have happened without Britain?
I didn't express any opinions. Everything I said was a fact,including that everything Brussels did for the last 40 years had our fingerprints on it. As an example, the rules that the EU impose on 3rd countries were written by us in part. Unfortunately those rules now ensure that our industries are disadvantaged when dealing with Europe.
No opinion there, just facts.
That’s just a vague assertion, not a fact.
As we've seen for the last 5 years, you can give someone facts but they refuse to acknowledge them as facts.
We helped write all the rules for 40 years. Those same rules are now destroying British businesses. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is now a border in the Irish Sea. Not an opinion, a fact.
You're a troll. That's an opinion but there's enough evidence on this forum that it could be considered a fact.
It’s quite a frequent reaction when given something thought provoking to dismiss it instantly.
I tend to find a lot of fabbers if they take the time to reflect often come back and say, actually, JuliaChris, you were right about that. "
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