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"https://news.sky.com/story/conservative-mps-in-the-north-call-on-johnson-and-sunak-not-to-raise-business-taxes-in-budget-12228819 There is the call for ANY party to get itself together and create a Party of the People . . . where we currently do not have one now. 4 years - tic toc tic toc" Won't make any difference. Tories are here to stay. | |||
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"Maybe proportional representation would give a new party a chance but I can’t see the major parties allowing it. Our parliament needs a major overhaul as I personally don’t think it’s been a people’s government for a long time. " I think we was asked a few years back to vote on p.r wasnt we?? If im remembering rightly the country voted to keep voting the same | |||
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"So. Looks like the Conservatives will be back for another 5 years then. " I don’t think thats a good thing. We need them to be challenged or democracy is non existent. Having one party in power for so long and most people don’t see their lives improving rapidly even though the GDP grows . The gap between rich and poor or even rich and average incomes is far too great. | |||
"So. Looks like the Conservatives will be back for another 5 years then. I don’t think thats a good thing. We need them to be challenged or democracy is non existent. Having one party in power for so long and most people don’t see their lives improving rapidly even though the GDP grows . The gap between rich and poor or even rich and average incomes is far too great. " I agree - I was trying to tempt others to see how we might do that. But judging by the number of answers, they don't really seem to care. But when the Party that they don't like gets in the just love to whinge. | |||
"So. Looks like the Conservatives will be back for another 5 years then. I don’t think thats a good thing. We need them to be challenged or democracy is non existent. Having one party in power for so long and most people don’t see their lives improving rapidly even though the GDP grows . The gap between rich and poor or even rich and average incomes is far too great. I agree - I was trying to tempt others to see how we might do that. But judging by the number of answers, they don't really seem to care. But when the Party that they don't like gets in the just love to whinge." I care. But don't see much hope for any meaningful change. People keep voting for the Tories no matter what. A large proportion of the electorate don't seem to care how badly they treat the people here, they'd rather argue on and on about some symantec point, or some hypothetical "what if such and such was in charge?". My personal opinion is that the media play a huge role, the Tories are rarely challenged properly by journalists, and most of the rest of the media ignores the negative stories about the government, and only focusses on their successes. As soon as you say anything like that round here, you and a load of other people start laying into you for having an opinion that the government should be doing a lot better. Or having an opinion to suggest that the media play a tole. Then you get slagged off for being too negative, etc etc. | |||
"So. Looks like the Conservatives will be back for another 5 years then. I don’t think thats a good thing. We need them to be challenged or democracy is non existent. Having one party in power for so long and most people don’t see their lives improving rapidly even though the GDP grows . The gap between rich and poor or even rich and average incomes is far too great. " I agree a party should not stay in power for as long as the tories have but there is no worthwhile opposition.If you think the gap between rich and poor could be changed your in dreamland even in communism there is rich amd poor because there is allways an elite in power government wheather left or right does not change this | |||
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"The question is going to be why would people in the north vote Tory again..... If you run on levelling up... but bend to the will of the mps in the shires... then the red wall will be rebuilt " Baffles me why anyone, except the wealthiest 0.1%, vote Tory, regardless of their geographical location. | |||
"The question is going to be why would people in the north vote Tory again..... If you run on levelling up... but bend to the will of the mps in the shires... then the red wall will be rebuilt " Or vote for them in the 1st place My sympathy is in short supply tbh. | |||
"The question is going to be why would people in the north vote Tory again..... If you run on levelling up... but bend to the will of the mps in the shires... then the red wall will be rebuilt Baffles me why anyone, except the wealthiest 0.1%, vote Tory, regardless of their geographical location." Working class sun readers Daily mail send them home brigade Everything is the eu's fault demographic sector. | |||
"The question is going to be why would people in the north vote Tory again..... If you run on levelling up... but bend to the will of the mps in the shires... then the red wall will be rebuilt Or vote for them in the 1st place My sympathy is in short supply tbh." Come on lionel you know why they voted for them.all those seats voted leave and the party they usually voted for wanted another vote.i imagine they will go back to labour next election unless the torys make there lives and areas better than they were umder labour m.ps.only another 3 or 4 years and we will find out | |||
"The question is going to be why would people in the north vote Tory again..... If you run on levelling up... but bend to the will of the mps in the shires... then the red wall will be rebuilt Or vote for them in the 1st place My sympathy is in short supply tbh. Come on lionel you know why they voted for them.all those seats voted leave and the party they usually voted for wanted another vote.i imagine they will go back to labour next election unless the torys make there lives and areas better than they were umder labour m.ps.only another 3 or 4 years and we will find out" Which is why the get what they deserve, Sunderland politicians were complaining the other day, because the money they had been promised, they are not getting. That's what you get for getting them in. | |||
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" That's what you get for getting them in." Nope. It's what you get for not keeping them out. | |||
"The question is going to be why would people in the north vote Tory again..... If you run on levelling up... but bend to the will of the mps in the shires... then the red wall will be rebuilt Or vote for them in the 1st place My sympathy is in short supply tbh. Come on lionel you know why they voted for them.all those seats voted leave and the party they usually voted for wanted another vote.i imagine they will go back to labour next election unless the torys make there lives and areas better than they were umder labour m.ps.only another 3 or 4 years and we will find out Which is why the get what they deserve, Sunderland politicians were complaining the other day, because the money they had been promised, they are not getting. That's what you get for getting them in." Well if thats whats happening labour shouldnt have any problems getting them voters back although they may lose a lot of the ones who voted for jeremy last time as the dont seem to keen on the way labour are going | |||
"So then. Shouldn't we be arguing for a future and not harpsichord'ing a requiem for a past?" The prevailing wisdom is that a bland middle of the road party is what people want. We have that in Labour under Starmer. I certainly won't be voting for them, and they don't seem to be doing well in the polls. What's the answer? | |||
"The question is going to be why would people in the north vote Tory again..... If you run on levelling up... but bend to the will of the mps in the shires... then the red wall will be rebuilt Or vote for them in the 1st place My sympathy is in short supply tbh." There are many reasons so like a game of bingo  they wanted to get Brexit done, they didn’t want/feel like they could vote for Corbyn. They where sick of Labour taking them for granted, they always vote Labour in the north you know! & it looks he’s got scruffy hair & he’s a nice but dim bloke but what choice is there? Labour lost Scotland to the SNP (who gained from all the main parties), they only hold the Welsh assembly by coalition, they need to be careful not to lose the north too x | |||
"The question is going to be why would people in the north vote Tory again..... If you run on levelling up... but bend to the will of the mps in the shires... then the red wall will be rebuilt Or vote for them in the 1st place My sympathy is in short supply tbh. Come on lionel you know why they voted for them.all those seats voted leave and the party they usually voted for wanted another vote.i imagine they will go back to labour next election unless the torys make there lives and areas better than they were umder labour m.ps.only another 3 or 4 years and we will find out Which is why the get what they deserve, Sunderland politicians were complaining the other day, because the money they had been promised, they are not getting. That's what you get for getting them in." Did sunderland go tory? I thoughtthe stayed red | |||
" That's what you get for getting them in. Nope. It's what you get for not keeping them out. " I agree Broken promises and jaw dropping ignorance. I'd expect nothing less. | |||
"The question is going to be why would people in the north vote Tory again..... If you run on levelling up... but bend to the will of the mps in the shires... then the red wall will be rebuilt Or vote for them in the 1st place My sympathy is in short supply tbh. Come on lionel you know why they voted for them.all those seats voted leave and the party they usually voted for wanted another vote.i imagine they will go back to labour next election unless the torys make there lives and areas better than they were umder labour m.ps.only another 3 or 4 years and we will find out Which is why the get what they deserve, Sunderland politicians were complaining the other day, because the money they had been promised, they are not getting. That's what you get for getting them in. Did sunderland go tory? I thoughtthe stayed red" Durham did..didnt it? I think Sunderland stayed red but it was close. I think in the north, probslly the big cities stayed labour, but a lot of the smaller towns voted Tory. | |||
"The question is going to be why would people in the north vote Tory again..... If you run on levelling up... but bend to the will of the mps in the shires... then the red wall will be rebuilt Or vote for them in the 1st place My sympathy is in short supply tbh. Come on lionel you know why they voted for them.all those seats voted leave and the party they usually voted for wanted another vote.i imagine they will go back to labour next election unless the torys make there lives and areas better than they were umder labour m.ps.only another 3 or 4 years and we will find out Which is why the get what they deserve, Sunderland politicians were complaining the other day, because the money they had been promised, they are not getting. That's what you get for getting them in. Did sunderland go tory? I thoughtthe stayed red Durham did..didnt it? I think Sunderland stayed red but it was close. I think in the north, probslly the big cities stayed labour, but a lot of the smaller towns voted Tory." Durham is Labour at the moment | |||
"The question is going to be why would people in the north vote Tory again..... If you run on levelling up... but bend to the will of the mps in the shires... then the red wall will be rebuilt Or vote for them in the 1st place My sympathy is in short supply tbh. Come on lionel you know why they voted for them.all those seats voted leave and the party they usually voted for wanted another vote.i imagine they will go back to labour next election unless the torys make there lives and areas better than they were umder labour m.ps.only another 3 or 4 years and we will find out Which is why the get what they deserve, Sunderland politicians were complaining the other day, because the money they had been promised, they are not getting. That's what you get for getting them in. Did sunderland go tory? I thoughtthe stayed red Durham did..didnt it? I think Sunderland stayed red but it was close. I think in the north, probslly the big cities stayed labour, but a lot of the smaller towns voted Tory." No idea about durham but you was going on about sunderlands leaders moaning about money they aint recieved.personaly i imagine if the torys are gona start throwing money around in the north it will be in the places that voted them in thats IF they start chucking money around | |||
"The question is going to be why would people in the north vote Tory again..... If you run on levelling up... but bend to the will of the mps in the shires... then the red wall will be rebuilt Or vote for them in the 1st place My sympathy is in short supply tbh. Come on lionel you know why they voted for them.all those seats voted leave and the party they usually voted for wanted another vote.i imagine they will go back to labour next election unless the torys make there lives and areas better than they were umder labour m.ps.only another 3 or 4 years and we will find out Which is why the get what they deserve, Sunderland politicians were complaining the other day, because the money they had been promised, they are not getting. That's what you get for getting them in. Did sunderland go tory? I thoughtthe stayed red Durham did..didnt it? I think Sunderland stayed red but it was close. I think in the north, probslly the big cities stayed labour, but a lot of the smaller towns voted Tory." All three Sunderland MPs are Labour, and are also all women. | |||
"The question is going to be why would people in the north vote Tory again..... If you run on levelling up... but bend to the will of the mps in the shires... then the red wall will be rebuilt Or vote for them in the 1st place My sympathy is in short supply tbh. Come on lionel you know why they voted for them.all those seats voted leave and the party they usually voted for wanted another vote.i imagine they will go back to labour next election unless the torys make there lives and areas better than they were umder labour m.ps.only another 3 or 4 years and we will find out Which is why the get what they deserve, Sunderland politicians were complaining the other day, because the money they had been promised, they are not getting. That's what you get for getting them in. Did sunderland go tory? I thoughtthe stayed red Durham did..didnt it? I think Sunderland stayed red but it was close. I think in the north, probslly the big cities stayed labour, but a lot of the smaller towns voted Tory. No idea about durham but you was going on about sunderlands leaders moaning about money they aint recieved.personaly i imagine if the torys are gona start throwing money around in the north it will be in the places that voted them in thats IF they start chucking money around" Pretty sure it will go the same way as Cornwall. They'll ask for what the were promised before brexit. They'll be given a fraction of that. People will still vote for them anyway. | |||
"The question is going to be why would people in the north vote Tory again..... If you run on levelling up... but bend to the will of the mps in the shires... then the red wall will be rebuilt Or vote for them in the 1st place My sympathy is in short supply tbh. Come on lionel you know why they voted for them.all those seats voted leave and the party they usually voted for wanted another vote.i imagine they will go back to labour next election unless the torys make there lives and areas better than they were umder labour m.ps.only another 3 or 4 years and we will find out Which is why the get what they deserve, Sunderland politicians were complaining the other day, because the money they had been promised, they are not getting. That's what you get for getting them in. Did sunderland go tory? I thoughtthe stayed red Durham did..didnt it? I think Sunderland stayed red but it was close. I think in the north, probslly the big cities stayed labour, but a lot of the smaller towns voted Tory. No idea about durham but you was going on about sunderlands leaders moaning about money they aint recieved.personaly i imagine if the torys are gona start throwing money around in the north it will be in the places that voted them in thats IF they start chucking money around" https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-backing-sunderland-says-it-is-not-receiving-same-level-of-funding-outside-eu-222122/amp/%3ffbclid=IwAR1lmkcC1BMvkM-7m98B47fQ6omdC-LE84pPW7He0Vb-HhWDeeOCb-MXtNw Well they certainly arent happy. There was talk of all that 'levelling up'all over the north But like you maybe they are just focusing on the areas they do have seats. | |||
"The question is going to be why would people in the north vote Tory again..... If you run on levelling up... but bend to the will of the mps in the shires... then the red wall will be rebuilt Or vote for them in the 1st place My sympathy is in short supply tbh. Come on lionel you know why they voted for them.all those seats voted leave and the party they usually voted for wanted another vote.i imagine they will go back to labour next election unless the torys make there lives and areas better than they were umder labour m.ps.only another 3 or 4 years and we will find out Which is why the get what they deserve, Sunderland politicians were complaining the other day, because the money they had been promised, they are not getting. That's what you get for getting them in. Did sunderland go tory? I thoughtthe stayed red Durham did..didnt it? I think Sunderland stayed red but it was close. I think in the north, probslly the big cities stayed labour, but a lot of the smaller towns voted Tory. No idea about durham but you was going on about sunderlands leaders moaning about money they aint recieved.personaly i imagine if the torys are gona start throwing money around in the north it will be in the places that voted them in thats IF they start chucking money around https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-backing-sunderland-says-it-is-not-receiving-same-level-of-funding-outside-eu-222122/amp/%3ffbclid=IwAR1lmkcC1BMvkM-7m98B47fQ6omdC-LE84pPW7He0Vb-HhWDeeOCb-MXtNw Well they certainly arent happy. There was talk of all that 'levelling up'all over the north But like you maybe they are just focusing on the areas they do have seats." Course they will focus on the places that voted them in.happens where i live there are two labour councilors on our council the rest are tory.. Guess what area has the least spent on it | |||
"All three Sunderland MPs are Labour, and are also all women. " that'll mean no money for sunderland then. this was part of Dumbinic Cummings strategy that he set out in various speeches several years ago. they involved filling the lords with torys then awarding them ministerial positions with no oversight and rewarding tory voting red wall seats with lots of cash and punishing red wall seats that didn't vote tory by starving them of cash. | |||
"So. Looks like the Conservatives will be back for another 5 years then. I don’t think thats a good thing. We need them to be challenged or democracy is non existent. Having one party in power for so long and most people don’t see their lives improving rapidly even though the GDP grows . The gap between rich and poor or even rich and average incomes is far too great. I agree a party should not stay in power for as long as the tories have but there is no worthwhile opposition.If you think the gap between rich and poor could be changed your in dreamland even in communism there is rich amd poor because there is allways an elite in power government wheather left or right does not change this" There is always a gap true but most countries the gap is theft . In the U.K. we actively encourage it. | |||
"All three Sunderland MPs are Labour, and are also all women. that'll mean no money for sunderland then. this was part of Dumbinic Cummings strategy that he set out in various speeches several years ago. they involved filling the lords with torys then awarding them ministerial positions with no oversight and rewarding tory voting red wall seats with lots of cash and punishing red wall seats that didn't vote tory by starving them of cash." They heavily voted leave though didnt they? | |||
"The question is going to be why would people in the north vote Tory again..... If you run on levelling up... but bend to the will of the mps in the shires... then the red wall will be rebuilt Or vote for them in the 1st place My sympathy is in short supply tbh. Come on lionel you know why they voted for them.all those seats voted leave and the party they usually voted for wanted another vote.i imagine they will go back to labour next election unless the torys make there lives and areas better than they were umder labour m.ps.only another 3 or 4 years and we will find out Which is why the get what they deserve, Sunderland politicians were complaining the other day, because the money they had been promised, they are not getting. That's what you get for getting them in. Did sunderland go tory? I thoughtthe stayed red Durham did..didnt it? I think Sunderland stayed red but it was close. I think in the north, probslly the big cities stayed labour, but a lot of the smaller towns voted Tory. No idea about durham but you was going on about sunderlands leaders moaning about money they aint recieved.personaly i imagine if the torys are gona start throwing money around in the north it will be in the places that voted them in thats IF they start chucking money around https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-backing-sunderland-says-it-is-not-receiving-same-level-of-funding-outside-eu-222122/amp/%3ffbclid=IwAR1lmkcC1BMvkM-7m98B47fQ6omdC-LE84pPW7He0Vb-HhWDeeOCb-MXtNw Well they certainly arent happy. There was talk of all that 'levelling up'all over the north But like you maybe they are just focusing on the areas they do have seats." This article says they are worried they won't receive the same funding which was circa. 70m/year. Have you not seen last April's budget for the north east? | |||
The Torys will still be around in a 100 years. Hoping that the electorate elect for a bit of change. Things always seem to go in circles I really think if Labour get their act together they may boot them out if not next election the one after.
What a shower of shit our current options are. | |||
"So then. Shouldn't we be arguing for a future and not harpsichord'ing a requiem for a past?" I think there is a desire for change but people don’t have the choice they want. With tories they know what to expect but I don’t think it should be the only safe bet as in reality the tories look after the tories. Labour is still seen as under union control and perceived as bad at business. Tony Blair exploited the desire for change but in reality he had nothing to offer and yet again was under control of the King maker Murdoch so it became Tory in image and Labour as fiscally reckless with the delayed debt. We need a party levels up wealth. Cut back tax avoidance . Bite the bullets of our pension debt and the need to sort the NHS management. Get rid of the lords and reform the practices of the MPs . No second jobs during term and for two years after retiring or losing a seat . Keep them on pay but there will be no cushy consultancies which may have had influence. Three bedroom flats in London for MPs unless inside M25 then commute. No parachute MPs The way our country is run is just Grubby. | |||
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"So then. Shouldn't we be arguing for a future and not harpsichord'ing a requiem for a past? I think there is a desire for change but people don’t have the choice they want. With tories they know what to expect but I don’t think it should be the only safe bet as in reality the tories look after the tories. Labour is still seen as under union control and perceived as bad at business. Tony Blair exploited the desire for change but in reality he had nothing to offer and yet again was under control of the King maker Murdoch so it became Tory in image and Labour as fiscally reckless with the delayed debt. We need a party levels up wealth. Cut back tax avoidance . Bite the bullets of our pension debt and the need to sort the NHS management. Get rid of the lords and reform the practices of the MPs . No second jobs during term and for two years after retiring or losing a seat . Keep them on pay but there will be no cushy consultancies which may have had influence. Three bedroom flats in London for MPs unless inside M25 then commute. No parachute MPs The way our country is run is just Grubby. " I'd vote for you | |||
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"All three Sunderland MPs are Labour, and are also all women. that'll mean no money for sunderland then. this was part of Dumbinic Cummings strategy that he set out in various speeches several years ago. they involved filling the lords with torys then awarding them ministerial positions with no oversight and rewarding tory voting red wall seats with lots of cash and punishing red wall seats that didn't vote tory by starving them of cash. They heavily voted leave though didnt they?" yes, but this is dumbinics plan for the tory party not brexit. | |||
"We have also shifted noticeably to the right on recent years. Any sort of social democratic policies are seem as borderline communist. The bulk of the media is wing,so any left wing alternative would have their work cut out." Right: Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Standpoint = 7 Centre: Independent, I, Economist, The Week, Private Eye = 5 Left = Guardian, Mirror, Morning Star, New Statesmen, Prospect, Tribune = 6 Whilst it's to that the Right Wing press is larger in both number of outlets and readers, it's not true to say that the bulk of the press is Right Wing. | |||
"Lol at the misinformation in this thread.
The Torys will still be around in a 100 years. Hoping that the electorate elect for a bit of change. Things always seem to go in circles I really think if Labour get their act together they may boot them out if not next election the one after.
What a shower of shit our current options are. "How would Labour get their act together? If they offer any meaningful change, they're destroyed by the establishment and the media who are scared that they're going to upset their apple cart. If they go middle of the road and bland, like they are now. Then they become the - we're less shit than the Tories - party. | |||
"We have also shifted noticeably to the right on recent years. Any sort of social democratic policies are seem as borderline communist. The bulk of the media is wing,so any left wing alternative would have their work cut out. Right: Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Standpoint = 7 Centre: Independent, I, Economist, The Week, Private Eye = 5 Left = Guardian, Mirror, Morning Star, New Statesmen, Prospect, Tribune = 6 Whilst it's to that the Right Wing press is larger in both number of outlets and readers, it's not true to say that the bulk of the press is Right Wing. " Think you need to add readership volumes. The fun was for Tony Blair so 3.5 million readers suddenly saw a labour to elect . The media is bias and shouldn’t be . Hard to replace I know . | |||
"We have also shifted noticeably to the right on recent years. Any sort of social democratic policies are seem as borderline communist. The bulk of the media is wing,so any left wing alternative would have their work cut out. Right: Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Standpoint = 7 Centre: Independent, I, Economist, The Week, Private Eye = 5 Left = Guardian, Mirror, Morning Star, New Statesmen, Prospect, Tribune = 6 Whilst it's to that the Right Wing press is larger in both number of outlets and readers, it's not true to say that the bulk of the press is Right Wing. Think you need to add readership volumes. The fun was for Tony Blair so 3.5 million readers suddenly saw a labour to elect . The media is bias and shouldn’t be . Hard to replace I know . " I did state they had a larger number of readers. I agree the media shouldn't be biased. Back to readership volumes though, is it just a case that the right wing press have more sensational headlines? Are they run by better business people? Or are people in general just more to the right so those papers sell better as they have more interest? It's hard to know. | |||
"We have also shifted noticeably to the right on recent years. Any sort of social democratic policies are seem as borderline communist. The bulk of the media is wing,so any left wing alternative would have their work cut out. Right: Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Standpoint = 7 Centre: Independent, I, Economist, The Week, Private Eye = 5 Left = Guardian, Mirror, Morning Star, New Statesmen, Prospect, Tribune = 6 Whilst it's to that the Right Wing press is larger in both number of outlets and readers, it's not true to say that the bulk of the press is Right Wing. " Is this the same new statesmen that a certain boris Johnson used to edit? What the fuck are the prospect and the Tribune,m Most of the media, both on terms of volume and readership is right wing. On the right you left out the observer and metro. Private eye is apolitical | |||
"We have also shifted noticeably to the right on recent years. Any sort of social democratic policies are seem as borderline communist. The bulk of the media is wing,so any left wing alternative would have their work cut out. Right: Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Standpoint = 7 Centre: Independent, I, Economist, The Week, Private Eye = 5 Left = Guardian, Mirror, Morning Star, New Statesmen, Prospect, Tribune = 6 Whilst it's to that the Right Wing press is larger in both number of outlets and readers, it's not true to say that the bulk of the press is Right Wing. " Look at the readership figures for 2020. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_circulation There is no equivalent. Look at how many people read The Sun and Mail, compared to the Mirror, the first non-right wing option from the examples you provided. Title 2021 - 2020 Metro 597,979 - 1,426,535 The Sun N/A - 1,250,634 Daily Mail 960,019 - 1,169,241 Evening Standard 489,405 - 798,168 Daily Mirror 366,501 - 451,466 The Times N/A - 368,929 Daily Express 238,230 - 296,079 Daily Star 220,126 - 277,237 i 141,115 - 217,182 Financial Times 97,067 - 157,982 The Guardian 108,687 - 132,341 Daily Record 85,769 - 104,343 City A.M. N/A - 85,521 | |||
"We have also shifted noticeably to the right on recent years. Any sort of social democratic policies are seem as borderline communist. The bulk of the media is wing,so any left wing alternative would have their work cut out. Right: Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Standpoint = 7 Centre: Independent, I, Economist, The Week, Private Eye = 5 Left = Guardian, Mirror, Morning Star, New Statesmen, Prospect, Tribune = 6 Whilst it's to that the Right Wing press is larger in both number of outlets and readers, it's not true to say that the bulk of the press is Right Wing. Think you need to add readership volumes. The fun was for Tony Blair so 3.5 million readers suddenly saw a labour to elect . The media is bias and shouldn’t be . Hard to replace I know . I did state they had a larger number of readers. I agree the media shouldn't be biased. Back to readership volumes though, is it just a case that the right wing press have more sensational headlines? Are they run by better business people? Or are people in general just more to the right so those papers sell better as they have more interest? It's hard to know." Because their readership are right wing would be my guess. | |||
"We have also shifted noticeably to the right on recent years. Any sort of social democratic policies are seem as borderline communist. The bulk of the media is wing,so any left wing alternative would have their work cut out. Right: Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Standpoint = 7 Centre: Independent, I, Economist, The Week, Private Eye = 5 Left = Guardian, Mirror, Morning Star, New Statesmen, Prospect, Tribune = 6 Whilst it's to that the Right Wing press is larger in both number of outlets and readers, it's not true to say that the bulk of the press is Right Wing. Look at the readership figures for 2020. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_circulation There is no equivalent. Look at how many people read The Sun and Mail, compared to the Mirror, the first non-right wing option from the examples you provided. Title 2021 - 2020 Metro 597,979 - 1,426,535 The Sun N/A - 1,250,634 Daily Mail 960,019 - 1,169,241 Evening Standard 489,405 - 798,168 Daily Mirror 366,501 - 451,466 The Times N/A - 368,929 Daily Express 238,230 - 296,079 Daily Star 220,126 - 277,237 i 141,115 - 217,182 Financial Times 97,067 - 157,982 The Guardian 108,687 - 132,341 Daily Record 85,769 - 104,343 City A.M. N/A - 85,521" I'd like to say it's a surprise that someone could argue that the media isnt heavily weighted towards the right,but it's really not. That doesn't include sky or bbc. | |||
"So then. Shouldn't we be arguing for a future and not harpsichord'ing a requiem for a past? I think there is a desire for change but people don’t have the choice they want. With tories they know what to expect but I don’t think it should be the only safe bet as in reality the tories look after the tories. Labour is still seen as under union control and perceived as bad at business. Tony Blair exploited the desire for change but in reality he had nothing to offer and yet again was under control of the King maker Murdoch so it became Tory in image and Labour as fiscally reckless with the delayed debt. We need a party levels up wealth. Cut back tax avoidance . Bite the bullets of our pension debt and the need to sort the NHS management. Get rid of the lords and reform the practices of the MPs . No second jobs during term and for two years after retiring or losing a seat . Keep them on pay but there will be no cushy consultancies which may have had influence. Three bedroom flats in London for MPs unless inside M25 then commute. No parachute MPs The way our country is run is just Grubby. I'd vote for you "Thanks I enjoyed the film Dave as it was a fantasy situation that so many of us would love. Just once can we have a real honest person in number 10 who says sorry I’ve got this wrong but we’re going to do this instead. I don’t mind mistakes if they’re acknowledged. Intentional Lies to deceive would be a sackable offence. I know you will all say I’m anti Boris which is true but I’m also anti Blair and indeed the one truck Greens. Do what’s best for us all and not what’s popular. We know tax increases are coming so why lie? We are in a shit load of debt so tax the missing billions . No supertax just 45% across the richest who hoard away their billions. We let them get away with nothing. I don’t want to crucify them but why does someone earning £70k pay more tax than someone banking £25m that’s wrong. | |||
"Lol at the misinformation in this thread.
The Torys will still be around in a 100 years. Hoping that the electorate elect for a bit of change. Things always seem to go in circles I really think if Labour get their act together they may boot them out if not next election the one after.
What a shower of shit our current options are.
How would Labour get their act together?
If they offer any meaningful change, they're destroyed by the establishment and the media who are scared that they're going to upset their apple cart.
If they go middle of the road and bland, like they are now. Then they become the - we're less shit than the Tories - party. "Agreed They are stuck between a rock and a hard place. | |||
"We have also shifted noticeably to the right on recent years. Any sort of social democratic policies are seem as borderline communist. The bulk of the media is wing,so any left wing alternative would have their work cut out. Right: Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Standpoint = 7 Centre: Independent, I, Economist, The Week, Private Eye = 5 Left = Guardian, Mirror, Morning Star, New Statesmen, Prospect, Tribune = 6 Whilst it's to that the Right Wing press is larger in both number of outlets and readers, it's not true to say that the bulk of the press is Right Wing. Think you need to add readership volumes. The fun was for Tony Blair so 3.5 million readers suddenly saw a labour to elect . The media is bias and shouldn’t be . Hard to replace I know . I did state they had a larger number of readers. I agree the media shouldn't be biased. Back to readership volumes though, is it just a case that the right wing press have more sensational headlines? Are they run by better business people? Or are people in general just more to the right so those papers sell better as they have more interest? It's hard to know." The right wing press are much better funded. Can afford more staff, can afford arguably better journalists (to their comparative papers), have tapped into the clickbait headline game, have people that can come up with punch three word slogans. Compare how slick the Times is, compared to the guardian. The Times looks better, has headlines that grab you. And the Sunday edition is put together really well. | |||
"We have also shifted noticeably to the right on recent years. Any sort of social democratic policies are seem as borderline communist. The bulk of the media is wing,so any left wing alternative would have their work cut out. Right: Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Standpoint = 7 Centre: Independent, I, Economist, The Week, Private Eye = 5 Left = Guardian, Mirror, Morning Star, New Statesmen, Prospect, Tribune = 6 Whilst it's to that the Right Wing press is larger in both number of outlets and readers, it's not true to say that the bulk of the press is Right Wing. Is this the same new statesmen that a certain boris Johnson used to edit? What the fuck are the prospect and the Tribune,m Most of the media, both on terms of volume and readership is right wing. On the right you left out the observer and metro. Private eye is apolitical " I figured youd be back to argue. Just because you haven't heard of them, doesn't mean they aren't there. Take Private Eye out if you wish. The Metro is supposedly apolitical and The Observer is the Sunday Guardian | |||
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"We have also shifted noticeably to the right on recent years. Any sort of social democratic policies are seem as borderline communist. The bulk of the media is wing,so any left wing alternative would have their work cut out. Right: Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Standpoint = 7 Centre: Independent, I, Economist, The Week, Private Eye = 5 Left = Guardian, Mirror, Morning Star, New Statesmen, Prospect, Tribune = 6 Whilst it's to that the Right Wing press is larger in both number of outlets and readers, it's not true to say that the bulk of the press is Right Wing. Look at the readership figures for 2020. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_circulation There is no equivalent. Look at how many people read The Sun and Mail, compared to the Mirror, the first non-right wing option from the examples you provided. Title 2021 - 2020 Metro 597,979 - 1,426,535 The Sun N/A - 1,250,634 Daily Mail 960,019 - 1,169,241 Evening Standard 489,405 - 798,168 Daily Mirror 366,501 - 451,466 The Times N/A - 368,929 Daily Express 238,230 - 296,079 Daily Star 220,126 - 277,237 i 141,115 - 217,182 Financial Times 97,067 - 157,982 The Guardian 108,687 - 132,341 Daily Record 85,769 - 104,343 City A.M. N/A - 85,521" I did state they had a larger readership figure | |||
"We have also shifted noticeably to the right on recent years. Any sort of social democratic policies are seem as borderline communist. The bulk of the media is wing,so any left wing alternative would have their work cut out. Right: Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Standpoint = 7 Centre: Independent, I, Economist, The Week, Private Eye = 5 Left = Guardian, Mirror, Morning Star, New Statesmen, Prospect, Tribune = 6 Whilst it's to that the Right Wing press is larger in both number of outlets and readers, it's not true to say that the bulk of the press is Right Wing. Is this the same new statesmen that a certain boris Johnson used to edit? What the fuck are the prospect and the Tribune,m Most of the media, both on terms of volume and readership is right wing. On the right you left out the observer and metro. Private eye is apolitical I figured youd be back to argue. Just because you haven't heard of them, doesn't mean they aren't there. Take Private Eye out if you wish. The Metro is supposedly apolitical and The Observer is the Sunday Guardian "Because you are hopelessly wrong. | |||
"We have also shifted noticeably to the right on recent years. Any sort of social democratic policies are seem as borderline communist. The bulk of the media is wing,so any left wing alternative would have their work cut out. Right: Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Standpoint = 7 Centre: Independent, I, Economist, The Week, Private Eye = 5 Left = Guardian, Mirror, Morning Star, New Statesmen, Prospect, Tribune = 6 Whilst it's to that the Right Wing press is larger in both number of outlets and readers, it's not true to say that the bulk of the press is Right Wing. Is this the same new statesmen that a certain boris Johnson used to edit? What the fuck are the prospect and the Tribune,m Most of the media, both on terms of volume and readership is right wing. On the right you left out the observer and metro. Private eye is apolitical I figured youd be back to argue. Just because you haven't heard of them, doesn't mean they aren't there. Take Private Eye out if you wish. The Metro is supposedly apolitical and The Observer is the Sunday Guardian
Because you are hopelessly wrong."Hopelessly wrong? They don't exist? Or the Observer isn't the Sunday Guardian? | |||
"We have also shifted noticeably to the right on recent years. Any sort of social democratic policies are seem as borderline communist. The bulk of the media is wing,so any left wing alternative would have their work cut out. Right: Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Standpoint = 7 Centre: Independent, I, Economist, The Week, Private Eye = 5 Left = Guardian, Mirror, Morning Star, New Statesmen, Prospect, Tribune = 6 Whilst it's to that the Right Wing press is larger in both number of outlets and readers, it's not true to say that the bulk of the press is Right Wing. Think you need to add readership volumes. The fun was for Tony Blair so 3.5 million readers suddenly saw a labour to elect . The media is bias and shouldn’t be . Hard to replace I know . I did state they had a larger number of readers. I agree the media shouldn't be biased. Back to readership volumes though, is it just a case that the right wing press have more sensational headlines? Are they run by better business people? Or are people in general just more to the right so those papers sell better as they have more interest? It's hard to know. Because their readership are right wing would be my guess." I agree they may be now but the papers weren’t always right wing . The sun was boobs and sport which took them to 5million Murdoch pushed to the right with thatcher so by default the readership moved right as that was their main news source for opinion. The Mail has tax avoidance at its core from the owners. Blame everyone but avoid scrutiny on their own practice. Scroungers pointed out everywhere but no due misuse in their own tax avoidance. People then believe and subsequently buy into their option for re-enforcement. We like to read what we believe to be true. | |||
"We have also shifted noticeably to the right on recent years. Any sort of social democratic policies are seem as borderline communist. The bulk of the media is wing,so any left wing alternative would have their work cut out. Right: Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Standpoint = 7 Centre: Independent, I, Economist, The Week, Private Eye = 5 Left = Guardian, Mirror, Morning Star, New Statesmen, Prospect, Tribune = 6 Whilst it's to that the Right Wing press is larger in both number of outlets and readers, it's not true to say that the bulk of the press is Right Wing. Think you need to add readership volumes. The fun was for Tony Blair so 3.5 million readers suddenly saw a labour to elect . The media is bias and shouldn’t be . Hard to replace I know . I did state they had a larger number of readers. I agree the media shouldn't be biased. Back to readership volumes though, is it just a case that the right wing press have more sensational headlines? Are they run by better business people? Or are people in general just more to the right so those papers sell better as they have more interest? It's hard to know. The right wing press are much better funded. Can afford more staff, can afford arguably better journalists (to their comparative papers), have tapped into the clickbait headline game, have people that can come up with punch three word slogans. Compare how slick the Times is, compared to the guardian. The Times looks better, has headlines that grab you. And the Sunday edition is put together really well." So they are doing better at selling papers? Obviously, finances come into it but is it really a big surprise that better business equals more readers? | |||
"We have also shifted noticeably to the right on recent years. Any sort of social democratic policies are seem as borderline communist. The bulk of the media is wing,so any left wing alternative would have their work cut out. Right: Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Standpoint = 7 Centre: Independent, I, Economist, The Week, Private Eye = 5 Left = Guardian, Mirror, Morning Star, New Statesmen, Prospect, Tribune = 6 Whilst it's to that the Right Wing press is larger in both number of outlets and readers, it's not true to say that the bulk of the press is Right Wing. Is this the same new statesmen that a certain boris Johnson used to edit? What the fuck are the prospect and the Tribune,m Most of the media, both on terms of volume and readership is right wing. On the right you left out the observer and metro. Private eye is apolitical I figured youd be back to argue. Just because you haven't heard of them, doesn't mean they aren't there. Take Private Eye out if you wish. The Metro is supposedly apolitical and The Observer is the Sunday Guardian
Because you are hopelessly wrong.
Hopelessly wrong? They don't exist? Or the Observer isn't the Sunday Guardian?"If you serously think the entire media industry, ,is any way evenly balanced between right and left....I think I'll leave it there. Personally I'd also have the guardian as centre. So on the left thatt leaves the mirror and 3 publications with a readership of about 10. | |||
"We have also shifted noticeably to the right on recent years. Any sort of social democratic policies are seem as borderline communist. The bulk of the media is wing,so any left wing alternative would have their work cut out. Right: Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Standpoint = 7 Centre: Independent, I, Economist, The Week, Private Eye = 5 Left = Guardian, Mirror, Morning Star, New Statesmen, Prospect, Tribune = 6 Whilst it's to that the Right Wing press is larger in both number of outlets and readers, it's not true to say that the bulk of the press is Right Wing. Think you need to add readership volumes. The fun was for Tony Blair so 3.5 million readers suddenly saw a labour to elect . The media is bias and shouldn’t be . Hard to replace I know . I did state they had a larger number of readers. I agree the media shouldn't be biased. Back to readership volumes though, is it just a case that the right wing press have more sensational headlines? Are they run by better business people? Or are people in general just more to the right so those papers sell better as they have more interest? It's hard to know. The right wing press are much better funded. Can afford more staff, can afford arguably better journalists (to their comparative papers), have tapped into the clickbait headline game, have people that can come up with punch three word slogans. Compare how slick the Times is, compared to the guardian. The Times looks better, has headlines that grab you. And the Sunday edition is put together really well. So they are doing better at selling papers? Obviously, finances come into it but is it really a big surprise that better business equals more readers?" No I'm not surprised at all. It's just my opinion, that in general, the right wing papers are better funded and put together better. The right wing press represents the interests of the right wing government, the interests of Rupert Murdoch etc. And in my opinion, it's very effective. | |||
"We have also shifted noticeably to the right on recent years. Any sort of social democratic policies are seem as borderline communist. The bulk of the media is wing,so any left wing alternative would have their work cut out. Right: Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Standpoint = 7 Centre: Independent, I, Economist, The Week, Private Eye = 5 Left = Guardian, Mirror, Morning Star, New Statesmen, Prospect, Tribune = 6 Whilst it's to that the Right Wing press is larger in both number of outlets and readers, it's not true to say that the bulk of the press is Right Wing. Is this the same new statesmen that a certain boris Johnson used to edit? What the fuck are the prospect and the Tribune,m Most of the media, both on terms of volume and readership is right wing. On the right you left out the observer and metro. Private eye is apolitical I figured youd be back to argue. Just because you haven't heard of them, doesn't mean they aren't there. Take Private Eye out if you wish. The Metro is supposedly apolitical and The Observer is the Sunday Guardian
Because you are hopelessly wrong.
Hopelessly wrong? They don't exist? Or the Observer isn't the Sunday Guardian?
If you serously think the entire media industry, ,is any way evenly balanced between right and left....I think I'll leave it there.
Personally I'd also have the guardian as centre.
So on the left thatt leaves the mirror and 3 publications with a readership of about 10."I see you missed the point as per usual. Probably best you leave it there  | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing" I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though | |||
"We have also shifted noticeably to the right on recent years. Any sort of social democratic policies are seem as borderline communist. The bulk of the media is wing,so any left wing alternative would have their work cut out. Right: Telegraph, Times, Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Standpoint = 7 Centre: Independent, I, Economist, The Week, Private Eye = 5 Left = Guardian, Mirror, Morning Star, New Statesmen, Prospect, Tribune = 6 Whilst it's to that the Right Wing press is larger in both number of outlets and readers, it's not true to say that the bulk of the press is Right Wing. Look at the readership figures for 2020. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_circulation There is no equivalent. Look at how many people read The Sun and Mail, compared to the Mirror, the first non-right wing option from the examples you provided. Title 2021 - 2020 Metro 597,979 - 1,426,535 The Sun N/A - 1,250,634 Daily Mail 960,019 - 1,169,241 Evening Standard 489,405 - 798,168 Daily Mirror 366,501 - 451,466 The Times N/A - 368,929 Daily Express 238,230 - 296,079 Daily Star 220,126 - 277,237 i 141,115 - 217,182 Financial Times 97,067 - 157,982 The Guardian 108,687 - 132,341 Daily Record 85,769 - 104,343 City A.M. N/A - 85,521 I'd like to say it's a surprise that someone could argue that the media isnt heavily weighted towards the right,but it's really not. That doesn't include sky or bbc." Yes the BBC are left I’d agree with you, I wouldn’t know about sky but I believe them to be media luvies of the left too, though I’m not doubting the owner is to the right x who would of thought I could agree with Lionel (about the left wing bias of the BBC) x | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though "The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x "So the bbc and the star are left wing? | |||
"So then. Shouldn't we be arguing for a future and not harpsichord'ing a requiem for a past? The prevailing wisdom is that a bland middle of the road party is what people want. We have that in Labour under Starmer. I certainly won't be voting for them, and they don't seem to be doing well in the polls. What's the answer?" Is precisely at the heart of the question - what is the alternative? Our two party system (can't currently really include the others with any seriousness) seems to work with large swathes of Conservative Government, until it reaches such time as the 'people' deem that perhaps we do need a change if only for new curtains in Downing Street, and then we change back to the Conservatives. The Conservatives have had 45 years of Government since Robert Peel in 1834. If you count the original Tory Party - then many years more. Labour just 17 years of Government - Not including Coalition/s The people vote for what they want. The figures seem clear enough in that they want the Conservatives. There really doesn't seem to be another way. | |||
"So then. Shouldn't we be arguing for a future and not harpsichord'ing a requiem for a past? The prevailing wisdom is that a bland middle of the road party is what people want. We have that in Labour under Starmer. I certainly won't be voting for them, and they don't seem to be doing well in the polls. What's the answer? Is precisely at the heart of the question - what is the alternative? Our two party system (can't currently really include the others with any seriousness) seems to work with large swathes of Conservative Government, until it reaches such time as the 'people' deem that perhaps we do need a change if only for new curtains in Downing Street, and then we change back to the Conservatives. The Conservatives have had 45 years of Government since Robert Peel in 1834. If you count the original Tory Party - then many years more. Labour just 17 years of Government - Not including Coalition/s The people vote for what they want. The figures seem clear enough in that they want the Conservatives. There really doesn't seem to be another way." People seem happy being treated as they are by the Tories. What can you do. I don't see an appetite for change. In fact people want more and more, and they want it harder and more brutal. | |||
"So then. Shouldn't we be arguing for a future and not harpsichord'ing a requiem for a past? The prevailing wisdom is that a bland middle of the road party is what people want. We have that in Labour under Starmer. I certainly won't be voting for them, and they don't seem to be doing well in the polls. What's the answer? Is precisely at the heart of the question - what is the alternative? Our two party system (can't currently really include the others with any seriousness) seems to work with large swathes of Conservative Government, until it reaches such time as the 'people' deem that perhaps we do need a change if only for new curtains in Downing Street, and then we change back to the Conservatives. The Conservatives have had 45 years of Government since Robert Peel in 1834. If you count the original Tory Party - then many years more. Labour just 17 years of Government - Not including Coalition/s The people vote for what they want. The figures seem clear enough in that they want the Conservatives. There really doesn't seem to be another way. People seem happy being treated as they are by the Tories. What can you do. I don't see an appetite for change. In fact people want more and more, and they want it harder and more brutal." A bit like a National Fetish Club then lol. | |||
"So then. Shouldn't we be arguing for a future and not harpsichord'ing a requiem for a past? The prevailing wisdom is that a bland middle of the road party is what people want. We have that in Labour under Starmer. I certainly won't be voting for them, and they don't seem to be doing well in the polls. What's the answer? Is precisely at the heart of the question - what is the alternative? Our two party system (can't currently really include the others with any seriousness) seems to work with large swathes of Conservative Government, until it reaches such time as the 'people' deem that perhaps we do need a change if only for new curtains in Downing Street, and then we change back to the Conservatives. The Conservatives have had 45 years of Government since Robert Peel in 1834. If you count the original Tory Party - then many years more. Labour just 17 years of Government - Not including Coalition/s The people vote for what they want. The figures seem clear enough in that they want the Conservatives. There really doesn't seem to be another way. People seem happy being treated as they are by the Tories. What can you do. I don't see an appetite for change. In fact people want more and more, and they want it harder and more brutal. A bit like a National Fetish Club then lol. "Some people like it rough.  | |||
"So then. Shouldn't we be arguing for a future and not harpsichord'ing a requiem for a past? The prevailing wisdom is that a bland middle of the road party is what people want. We have that in Labour under Starmer. I certainly won't be voting for them, and they don't seem to be doing well in the polls. What's the answer? Is precisely at the heart of the question - what is the alternative? Our two party system (can't currently really include the others with any seriousness) seems to work with large swathes of Conservative Government, until it reaches such time as the 'people' deem that perhaps we do need a change if only for new curtains in Downing Street, and then we change back to the Conservatives. The Conservatives have had 45 years of Government since Robert Peel in 1834. If you count the original Tory Party - then many years more. Labour just 17 years of Government - Not including Coalition/s The people vote for what they want. The figures seem clear enough in that they want the Conservatives. There really doesn't seem to be another way. People seem happy being treated as they are by the Tories. What can you do. I don't see an appetite for change. In fact people want more and more, and they want it harder and more brutal." The dice Is loaded before you start playing. | |||
"So then. Shouldn't we be arguing for a future and not harpsichord'ing a requiem for a past? The prevailing wisdom is that a bland middle of the road party is what people want. We have that in Labour under Starmer. I certainly won't be voting for them, and they don't seem to be doing well in the polls. What's the answer? Is precisely at the heart of the question - what is the alternative? Our two party system (can't currently really include the others with any seriousness) seems to work with large swathes of Conservative Government, until it reaches such time as the 'people' deem that perhaps we do need a change if only for new curtains in Downing Street, and then we change back to the Conservatives. The Conservatives have had 45 years of Government since Robert Peel in 1834. If you count the original Tory Party - then many years more. Labour just 17 years of Government - Not including Coalition/s The people vote for what they want. The figures seem clear enough in that they want the Conservatives. There really doesn't seem to be another way. People seem happy being treated as they are by the Tories. What can you do. I don't see an appetite for change. In fact people want more and more, and they want it harder and more brutal. The dice Is loaded before you start playing." But your Vote is your own. | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?"I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x"What are these left leanings? | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x
What are these left leanings?"That’s for another thread really, it has been discussed on previous threads. But I’d say as like with the guardian the bbc is one of your go to sources for links x | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x"I wouldn't bother. Rhe standard tract for these guys is question everything but offer no insight or alternative. | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x
I wouldn't bother. Rhe standard tract for these guys is question everything but offer no insight or alternative."Right..so someone makes a claim..The bbc is left leaning. But you are not allowed to ask for something to back that up. Coolio | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x
What are these left leanings?
That’s for another thread really, it has been discussed on previous threads. But I’d say as like with the guardian the bbc is one of your go to sources for links x"It has been discussed before but if you think the bbc is left leaning you be able to back it up. | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x
I wouldn't bother. Rhe standard tract for these guys is question everything but offer no insight or alternative.
Right..so someone makes a claim..The bbc is left leaning.
But you are not allowed to ask for something to back that up.
Coolio"You can ask all you like. I'm just advising the poster, I didn't direct my comment towards you | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x
I wouldn't bother. Rhe standard tract for these guys is question everything but offer no insight or alternative.
Right..so someone makes a claim..The bbc is left leaning.
But you are not allowed to ask for something to back that up.
Coolio
You can ask all you like. I'm just advising the poster, I didn't direct my comment towards you "Conservatives won't be here 4 year time . . . is the thread title I believe, if you care to start a new thread on the bbc I’m happy to contribute my opinion on there on that subject, to do so here would take this thread totally away from what is supposed to be about. X | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x
I wouldn't bother. Rhe standard tract for these guys is question everything but offer no insight or alternative.
Right..so someone makes a claim..The bbc is left leaning.
But you are not allowed to ask for something to back that up.
Coolio
You can ask all you like. I'm just advising the poster, I didn't direct my comment towards you
Conservatives won't be here 4 year time . . . is the thread title I believe, if you care to start a new thread on the bbc I’m happy to contribute my opinion on there on that subject, to do so here would take this thread totally away from what is supposed to be about. X"It would be cool if the Topic stayed MOSTLY on topic - a bit of drift is okay but totally another subject is totally for another thread.  | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x
I wouldn't bother. Rhe standard tract for these guys is question everything but offer no insight or alternative.
Right..so someone makes a claim..The bbc is left leaning.
But you are not allowed to ask for something to back that up.
Coolio
You can ask all you like. I'm just advising the poster, I didn't direct my comment towards you
Conservatives won't be here 4 year time . . . is the thread title I believe, if you care to start a new thread on the bbc I’m happy to contribute my opinion on there on that subject, to do so here would take this thread totally away from what is supposed to be about. X"The thread is about can anyone challenge the tories. One of the reasons for this hegemony is the influence they have. For anyone to challenge this,I'd say the biggest obstacle is how you get around this. So I'd say it was pretty much on topic. | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x
I wouldn't bother. Rhe standard tract for these guys is question everything but offer no insight or alternative.
Right..so someone makes a claim..The bbc is left leaning.
But you are not allowed to ask for something to back that up.
Coolio
You can ask all you like. I'm just advising the poster, I didn't direct my comment towards you
Conservatives won't be here 4 year time . . . is the thread title I believe, if you care to start a new thread on the bbc I’m happy to contribute my opinion on there on that subject, to do so here would take this thread totally away from what is supposed to be about. X
The thread is about can anyone challenge the tories.
One of the reasons for this hegemony is the influence they have.
For anyone to challenge this,I'd say the biggest obstacle is how you get around this.
So I'd say it was pretty much on topic."So. You say what you think the problem is but you offer nothing of what they solution might be? Which after all is what the OP is about. | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x
I wouldn't bother. Rhe standard tract for these guys is question everything but offer no insight or alternative.
Right..so someone makes a claim..The bbc is left leaning.
But you are not allowed to ask for something to back that up.
Coolio
You can ask all you like. I'm just advising the poster, I didn't direct my comment towards you
Conservatives won't be here 4 year time . . . is the thread title I believe, if you care to start a new thread on the bbc I’m happy to contribute my opinion on there on that subject, to do so here would take this thread totally away from what is supposed to be about. X
The thread is about can anyone challenge the tories.
One of the reasons for this hegemony is the influence they have.
For anyone to challenge this,I'd say the biggest obstacle is how you get around this.
So I'd say it was pretty much on topic.
So. You say what you think the problem is but you offer nothing of what they solution might be?
Which after all is what the OP is about."I guess that agreeing the nature of the problem is the first step. Proposing solutions is the second. | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x
I wouldn't bother. Rhe standard tract for these guys is question everything but offer no insight or alternative.
Right..so someone makes a claim..The bbc is left leaning.
But you are not allowed to ask for something to back that up.
Coolio
You can ask all you like. I'm just advising the poster, I didn't direct my comment towards you
Conservatives won't be here 4 year time . . . is the thread title I believe, if you care to start a new thread on the bbc I’m happy to contribute my opinion on there on that subject, to do so here would take this thread totally away from what is supposed to be about. X
The thread is about can anyone challenge the tories.
One of the reasons for this hegemony is the influence they have.
For anyone to challenge this,I'd say the biggest obstacle is how you get around this.
So I'd say it was pretty much on topic.
So. You say what you think the problem is but you offer nothing of what they solution might be?
Which after all is what the OP is about."I think labour need to break in 2 as there is too much division There needs to be a genuine left wing alternative Maybe a true coalition gmnt would not be so extreme | |||
"So then. Shouldn't we be arguing for a future and not harpsichord'ing a requiem for a past? The prevailing wisdom is that a bland middle of the road party is what people want. We have that in Labour under Starmer. I certainly won't be voting for them, and they don't seem to be doing well in the polls. What's the answer? Is precisely at the heart of the question - what is the alternative? Our two party system (can't currently really include the others with any seriousness) seems to work with large swathes of Conservative Government, until it reaches such time as the 'people' deem that perhaps we do need a change if only for new curtains in Downing Street, and then we change back to the Conservatives. The Conservatives have had 45 years of Government since Robert Peel in 1834. If you count the original Tory Party - then many years more. Labour just 17 years of Government - Not including Coalition/s The people vote for what they want. The figures seem clear enough in that they want the Conservatives. There really doesn't seem to be another way." We need to find a direction away from today’s two party system . I want more choice but also more people to have their view heard. The greens got just shy of 4% of the vote last time . With P/P that’s 24 MPs they only have 1 . That’s a serious Issue in my opinion as our system doesn’t represent the voters. | |||
"So then. Shouldn't we be arguing for a future and not harpsichord'ing a requiem for a past? The prevailing wisdom is that a bland middle of the road party is what people want. We have that in Labour under Starmer. I certainly won't be voting for them, and they don't seem to be doing well in the polls. What's the answer? Is precisely at the heart of the question - what is the alternative? Our two party system (can't currently really include the others with any seriousness) seems to work with large swathes of Conservative Government, until it reaches such time as the 'people' deem that perhaps we do need a change if only for new curtains in Downing Street, and then we change back to the Conservatives. The Conservatives have had 45 years of Government since Robert Peel in 1834. If you count the original Tory Party - then many years more. Labour just 17 years of Government - Not including Coalition/s The people vote for what they want. The figures seem clear enough in that they want the Conservatives. There really doesn't seem to be another way. We need to find a direction away from today’s two party system . I want more choice but also more people to have their view heard. The greens got just shy of 4% of the vote last time . With P/P that’s 24 MPs they only have 1 . That’s a serious Issue in my opinion as our system doesn’t represent the voters. " Labour had the chance to change it but dudnt. And if it benefits the big parties.. why would you? | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x
I wouldn't bother. Rhe standard tract for these guys is question everything but offer no insight or alternative.
Right..so someone makes a claim..The bbc is left leaning.
But you are not allowed to ask for something to back that up.
Coolio
You can ask all you like. I'm just advising the poster, I didn't direct my comment towards you "I think if anything the BBC is subdued because of this governments threats to its existence . The government withdrew the support for free licences for the elderly but made sure the BBC was blamed. | |||
"So then. Shouldn't we be arguing for a future and not harpsichord'ing a requiem for a past? The prevailing wisdom is that a bland middle of the road party is what people want. We have that in Labour under Starmer. I certainly won't be voting for them, and they don't seem to be doing well in the polls. What's the answer? Is precisely at the heart of the question - what is the alternative? Our two party system (can't currently really include the others with any seriousness) seems to work with large swathes of Conservative Government, until it reaches such time as the 'people' deem that perhaps we do need a change if only for new curtains in Downing Street, and then we change back to the Conservatives. The Conservatives have had 45 years of Government since Robert Peel in 1834. If you count the original Tory Party - then many years more. Labour just 17 years of Government - Not including Coalition/s The people vote for what they want. The figures seem clear enough in that they want the Conservatives. There really doesn't seem to be another way. We need to find a direction away from today’s two party system . I want more choice but also more people to have their view heard. The greens got just shy of 4% of the vote last time . With P/P that’s 24 MPs they only have 1 . That’s a serious Issue in my opinion as our system doesn’t represent the voters. Labour had the chance to change it but dudnt. And if it benefits the big parties.. why would you?" Exactly which is why we have bad non inclusive government | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x
I wouldn't bother. Rhe standard tract for these guys is question everything but offer no insight or alternative.
Right..so someone makes a claim..The bbc is left leaning.
But you are not allowed to ask for something to back that up.
Coolio
You can ask all you like. I'm just advising the poster, I didn't direct my comment towards you
I think if anything the BBC is subdued because of this governments threats to its existence . The government withdrew the support for free licences for the elderly but made sure the BBC was blamed.
"The BBC agreed it as part of the funding round. | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x
I wouldn't bother. Rhe standard tract for these guys is question everything but offer no insight or alternative.
Right..so someone makes a claim..The bbc is left leaning.
But you are not allowed to ask for something to back that up.
Coolio
You can ask all you like. I'm just advising the poster, I didn't direct my comment towards you
I think if anything the BBC is subdued because of this governments threats to its existence . The government withdrew the support for free licences for the elderly but made sure the BBC was blamed.
The BBC agreed it as part of the funding round.
"You believe they had a choice? | |||
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"So then. Shouldn't we be arguing for a future and not harpsichord'ing a requiem for a past? The prevailing wisdom is that a bland middle of the road party is what people want. We have that in Labour under Starmer. I certainly won't be voting for them, and they don't seem to be doing well in the polls. What's the answer? Is precisely at the heart of the question - what is the alternative? Our two party system (can't currently really include the others with any seriousness) seems to work with large swathes of Conservative Government, until it reaches such time as the 'people' deem that perhaps we do need a change if only for new curtains in Downing Street, and then we change back to the Conservatives. The Conservatives have had 45 years of Government since Robert Peel in 1834. If you count the original Tory Party - then many years more. Labour just 17 years of Government - Not including Coalition/s The people vote for what they want. The figures seem clear enough in that they want the Conservatives. There really doesn't seem to be another way. We need to find a direction away from today’s two party system . I want more choice but also more people to have their view heard. The greens got just shy of 4% of the vote last time . With P/P that’s 24 MPs they only have 1 . That’s a serious Issue in my opinion as our system doesn’t represent the voters. Labour had the chance to change it but dudnt. And if it benefits the big parties.. why would you?" when did Labour have chance to change it? Wasn’t it the conservative/liberal coalition government that gave people a choice to change to a AV system x | |||
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"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x
I wouldn't bother. Rhe standard tract for these guys is question everything but offer no insight or alternative.
Right..so someone makes a claim..The bbc is left leaning.
But you are not allowed to ask for something to back that up.
Coolio
You can ask all you like. I'm just advising the poster, I didn't direct my comment towards you
I think if anything the BBC is subdued because of this governments threats to its existence . The government withdrew the support for free licences for the elderly but made sure the BBC was blamed.
The BBC agreed it as part of the funding round.
You believe they had a choice? "They signed the agreement. The Director General called it a good deal, and right for a strong BBC. | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x
I wouldn't bother. Rhe standard tract for these guys is question everything but offer no insight or alternative.
Right..so someone makes a claim..The bbc is left leaning.
But you are not allowed to ask for something to back that up.
Coolio
You can ask all you like. I'm just advising the poster, I didn't direct my comment towards you
I think if anything the BBC is subdued because of this governments threats to its existence . The government withdrew the support for free licences for the elderly but made sure the BBC was blamed.
The BBC agreed it as part of the funding round.
You believe they had a choice?
They signed the agreement. The Director General called it a good deal, and right for a strong BBC. "I’m sure he did but that didn’t answer my question | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x
I wouldn't bother. Rhe standard tract for these guys is question everything but offer no insight or alternative.
Right..so someone makes a claim..The bbc is left leaning.
But you are not allowed to ask for something to back that up.
Coolio
You can ask all you like. I'm just advising the poster, I didn't direct my comment towards you
I think if anything the BBC is subdued because of this governments threats to its existence . The government withdrew the support for free licences for the elderly but made sure the BBC was blamed.
The BBC agreed it as part of the funding round.
You believe they had a choice?
They signed the agreement. The Director General called it a good deal, and right for a strong BBC.
I’m sure he did but that didn’t answer my question "I believe it was a trade off between allowing the BBC to increase licenses at over the rate of inflation, and allowing the BBC to charge for viewing their IPlayer service. If the clever negotiators, accountants and lawyers at the BBC didn't want this deal, then that was the time to say so. No one forced them to sign on the dotted line. | |||
"The star would also be termed right wing I think the star and grown up politics is maybe a stretch though
The daily Star is anything but right of centre it moved to the left when the mirror group bought it & the express, not that I’m saying the express has move to the left x
So the bbc and the star are left wing?
I would say so yes, the Star doesn’t matter much as it’s nothing more than a comic. But the BBC is known for its left leaning & soft tactics with those to the left of centre compared to that of those to the right x There are many other issues with the BBC but that’s another thread x
I wouldn't bother. Rhe standard tract for these guys is question everything but offer no insight or alternative.
Right..so someone makes a claim..The bbc is left leaning.
But you are not allowed to ask for something to back that up.
Coolio
You can ask all you like. I'm just advising the poster, I didn't direct my comment towards you
I think if anything the BBC is subdued because of this governments threats to its existence . The government withdrew the support for free licences for the elderly but made sure the BBC was blamed.
The BBC agreed it as part of the funding round.
You believe they had a choice?
They signed the agreement. The Director General called it a good deal, and right for a strong BBC.
I’m sure he did but that didn’t answer my question
I believe it was a trade off between allowing the BBC to increase licenses at over the rate of inflation, and allowing the BBC to charge for viewing their IPlayer service.
If the clever negotiators, accountants and lawyers at the BBC didn't want this deal, then that was the time to say so. No one forced them to sign on the dotted line.
"The government are holding the threat of review over the existence of the BBC so I’m thinking the execs at the bbc are not daring to voice their true opinions. | |||
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"From my flat i can see the new east enders set was sposed to be finished 2 years ago yet still building it and now on there 3rd contractor and 100 mill over budget.perhaps if the bbc didnt spunk other peoples money up the wall peeps wouldnt have such a low opinion of them" Having used the world service a lot I see the bbc from a different viewpoint . Charter says inform, educate and entertain. Not just entertain . If we lose the lower popular radio or tv we will end up with shit tv like America. BBC series go down well there because of quality. I agree bbc like nhs probably pisses millions up the wall but I wouldn’t get rid or either I’d just try to fix them. | |||
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"Maybe proportional representation would give a new party a chance but I can’t see the major parties allowing it. Our parliament needs a major overhaul as I personally don’t think it’s been a people’s government for a long time. " It would be a better system but like you say they are all to scared to bring it in as might lose there seat and job.. Should the cabinet even hold a seat can they work for government and the local area that voted them in | |||
