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First Portugal, now Germany. I reckon one more country falls and we'd be in charge of a Euro block that finishes Brussels for good
"We envy Britain! Germany's biggest newspaper Bild praises UK's incredible vaccine success and contrasts Boris Johnson's optimistic lockdown exit plans with Merkel's doom and gloom"  |
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"First Portugal, now Germany. I reckon one more country falls and we'd be in charge of a Euro block that finishes Brussels for good
"We envy Britain! Germany's biggest newspaper Bild praises UK's incredible vaccine success and contrasts Boris Johnson's optimistic lockdown exit plans with Merkel's doom and gloom" "
On a roll today |
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By *leyxxxMan
over a year ago
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"First Portugal, now Germany. I reckon one more country falls and we'd be in charge of a Euro block that finishes Brussels for good
"We envy Britain! Germany's biggest newspaper Bild praises UK's incredible vaccine success and contrasts Boris Johnson's optimistic lockdown exit plans with Merkel's doom and gloom"
On a roll today "
Yea, Germany wants to be part of this Non existent Empire now. ??
Do they have to demolish their economy first, so they not bigger than UK? |
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"First Portugal, now Germany. I reckon one more country falls and we'd be in charge of a Euro block that finishes Brussels for good
"We envy Britain! Germany's biggest newspaper Bild praises UK's incredible vaccine success and contrasts Boris Johnson's optimistic lockdown exit plans with Merkel's doom and gloom"
On a roll today
Yea, Germany wants to be part of this Non existent Empire now. ??
Do they have to demolish their economy first, so they not bigger than UK? "
Brussels Covid "strategy" is achieving that, do keep up |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"First Portugal, now Germany. I reckon one more country falls and we'd be in charge of a Euro block that finishes Brussels for good
"We envy Britain! Germany's biggest newspaper Bild praises UK's incredible vaccine success and contrasts Boris Johnson's optimistic lockdown exit plans with Merkel's doom and gloom" "
Merkel has give up now and taking it easy until she finishes in September.its a shame she will probably be remembered for the total fuck up of the eu vaccine rollout and false messages put out about the oxford vaccine, which the Germans are refusing to have in large numbers now even though they are trying to reverse the message. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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" and false messages put out about the oxford vaccine, which the Germans are refusing to have in large numbers now even though they are trying to reverse the message."
This will have long-borne implications on the trust German Citizens will have on the uptake of the Vaccine. It's very very sad that Brinksmanship was used at all by a Statesman of her calibre. |
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As an outsider you cant help but admire Merkel
What's this now..her 3rd term?
Resolute,competent,she has oversaw the economic powerhouse in europe and the way she stood upto trump was more than impressive.
She will rightly go down as one of the modern era great politicians.
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"As an outsider you cant help but admire Merkel
What's this now..her 3rd term?
Resolute,competent,she has oversaw the economic powerhouse in europe and the way she stood upto trump was more than impressive.
She will rightly go down as one of the modern era great politicians.
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didn’t Blair have 3 terms lol |
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"As an outsider you cant help but admire Merkel
What's this now..her 3rd term?
Resolute,competent,she has oversaw the economic powerhouse in europe and the way she stood upto trump was more than impressive.
She will rightly go down as one of the modern era great politicians.
didn’t Blair have 3 terms lol"
He did foxy |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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" and false messages put out about the oxford vaccine, which the Germans are refusing to have in large numbers now even though they are trying to reverse the message.
This will have long-borne implications on the trust German Citizens will have on the uptake of the Vaccine. It's very very sad that Brinksmanship was used at all by a Statesman of her calibre."
To be fair it was macron who started it acting like a spoilt kid then her and the EMA backed him only to be made looking pretty foolish with the latest data. |
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"As an outsider you cant help but admire Merkel
What's this now..her 3rd term?
Resolute,competent,she has oversaw the economic powerhouse in europe and the way she stood upto trump was more than impressive.
She will rightly go down as one of the modern era great politicians.
didn’t Blair have 3 terms lol
He did foxy"
isn’t he remembered more for his failings isn’t that how all politians are remembered ? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Like ALL politicians she has done some things very well and some things very badly.
She has as many of her own controversies as any other.
If she were the Head of a Third Party in this country she would probably be a major and credible force to deal with. |
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"As an outsider you cant help but admire Merkel
What's this now..her 3rd term?
Resolute,competent,she has oversaw the economic powerhouse in europe and the way she stood upto trump was more than impressive.
She will rightly go down as one of the modern era great politicians.
didn’t Blair have 3 terms lol
He did foxyisn’t he remembered more for his failings isn’t that how all politians are remembered ?"
It depends who by
He was one of the most successful labour PMS ever but isnt particularly fondly remembered. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"As an outsider you cant help but admire Merkel
What's this now..her 3rd term?
Resolute,competent,she has oversaw the economic powerhouse in europe and the way she stood upto trump was more than impressive.
She will rightly go down as one of the modern era great politicians.
didn’t Blair have 3 terms lol
He did foxyisn’t he remembered more for his failings isn’t that how all politians are remembered ?"
Exactly why i said i feel sorry for Merkel |
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"As an outsider you cant help but admire Merkel
What's this now..her 3rd term?
Resolute,competent,she has oversaw the economic powerhouse in europe and the way she stood upto trump was more than impressive.
She will rightly go down as one of the modern era great politicians.
didn’t Blair have 3 terms lol
He did foxyisn’t he remembered more for his failings isn’t that how all politians are remembered ?
It depends who by
He was one of the most successful labour PMS ever but isnt particularly fondly remembered. "
how do you remember him considering your feeling on the itaq war ? |
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"As an outsider you cant help but admire Merkel
What's this now..her 3rd term?
Resolute,competent,she has oversaw the economic powerhouse in europe and the way she stood upto trump was more than impressive.
She will rightly go down as one of the modern era great politicians.
didn’t Blair have 3 terms lol
He did foxyisn’t he remembered more for his failings isn’t that how all politians are remembered ?
It depends who by
He was one of the most successful labour PMS ever but isnt particularly fondly remembered. how do you remember him considering your feeling on the itaq war ?"
He has a lot to answer for over Iraq and he dragged labour over from the left.
Even so any labour leader would be preferable to the alternative. |
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"First Portugal, now Germany. I reckon one more country falls and we'd be in charge of a Euro block that finishes Brussels for good
"We envy Britain! Germany's biggest newspaper Bild praises UK's incredible vaccine success and contrasts Boris Johnson's optimistic lockdown exit plans with Merkel's doom and gloom" "
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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We will need to talk to Germany on a few employment points however as apparently they have one of the highest pay gaps in Europe.
On Average 20% difference in female to male Salaries.
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"We will need to talk to Germany on a few employment points however as apparently they have one of the highest pay gaps in Europe.
On Average 20% difference in female to male Salaries.
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I doubt Germany care what we think about their employment points, surely we don’t care what they think |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Well actually we do. Actually they do.
Workers will too because they are also considering publishing employee pay gap to assist in getting employers to lift the bar. Something we have been doing for about 4 years. Germany are looking at our Model of Publication (as are the other 26 through the EU Commission) 
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"We will need to talk to Germany on a few employment points however as apparently they have one of the highest pay gaps in Europe.
On Average 20% difference in female to male Salaries.
I doubt Germany care what we think about their employment points, surely we don’t care what they think"
We care because they are turning to us for guidance |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"We will need to talk to Germany on a few employment points however as apparently they have one of the highest pay gaps in Europe.
On Average 20% difference in female to male Salaries.
I doubt Germany care what we think about their employment points, surely we don’t care what they think
We care because they are turning to us for guidance "
And we are HAPPY to give it. |
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"We will need to talk to Germany on a few employment points however as apparently they have one of the highest pay gaps in Europe.
On Average 20% difference in female to male Salaries.
I doubt Germany care what we think about their employment points, surely we don’t care what they think
We care because they are turning to us for guidance "
Are they Chris? I hate to be sceptical but your credibility is low on here, you have previous for making things up . |
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"We will need to talk to Germany on a few employment points however as apparently they have one of the highest pay gaps in Europe.
On Average 20% difference in female to male Salaries.
I doubt Germany care what we think about their employment points, surely we don’t care what they think
We care because they are turning to us for guidance
Are they Chris? I hate to be sceptical but your credibility is low on here, you have previous for making things up . "
pmsl you hate to be sceptical howling here |
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"We will need to talk to Germany on a few employment points however as apparently they have one of the highest pay gaps in Europe.
On Average 20% difference in female to male Salaries.
I doubt Germany care what we think about their employment points, surely we don’t care what they think
We care because they are turning to us for guidance
Are they Chris? I hate to be sceptical but your credibility is low on here, you have previous for making things up . "
Tell you what, you lot start a thread about what macroeconomic indicators would constitute good news and we shall advise you as and when they are hit |
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"We will need to talk to Germany on a few employment points however as apparently they have one of the highest pay gaps in Europe.
On Average 20% difference in female to male Salaries.
I doubt Germany care what we think about their employment points, surely we don’t care what they think
We care because they are turning to us for guidance
Are they Chris? I hate to be sceptical but your credibility is low on here, you have previous for making things up . pmsl you hate to be sceptical howling here "
There are 2 type of people , sceptics and idiots  |
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"We will need to talk to Germany on a few employment points however as apparently they have one of the highest pay gaps in Europe.
On Average 20% difference in female to male Salaries.
I doubt Germany care what we think about their employment points, surely we don’t care what they think
We care because they are turning to us for guidance
Are they Chris? I hate to be sceptical but your credibility is low on here, you have previous for making things up .
Tell you what, you lot start a thread about what macroeconomic indicators would constitute good news and we shall advise you as and when they are hit "
No need, it isn’t necessary, if your are using the strength of the pound to the euro to indicate success or failure why did it drop after the referendum? Why is it still below pre referendum levels? Give me this years yearly average |
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"We will need to talk to Germany on a few employment points however as apparently they have one of the highest pay gaps in Europe.
On Average 20% difference in female to male Salaries.
And the sceptical idiot lol
I doubt Germany care what we think about their employment points, surely we don’t care what they think
We care because they are turning to us for guidance
Are they Chris? I hate to be sceptical but your credibility is low on here, you have previous for making things up . pmsl you hate to be sceptical howling here
There are 2 type of people , sceptics and idiots "
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By *leyxxxMan
over a year ago
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"The topic is Germany turning to us, as Portugal, in their hour of need.
Let's treat this topic with the seriousness it deserves "
You really do believe in that, are you ? Awesome ??
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By *leyxxxMan
over a year ago
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"We will need to talk to Germany on a few employment points however as apparently they have one of the highest pay gaps in Europe.
On Average 20% difference in female to male Salaries.
I doubt Germany care what we think about their employment points, surely we don’t care what they think
We care because they are turning to us for guidance
Are they Chris? I hate to be sceptical but your credibility is low on here, you have previous for making things up .
Tell you what, you lot start a thread about what macroeconomic indicators would constitute good news and we shall advise you as and when they are hit
No need, it isn’t necessary, if your are using the strength of the pound to the euro to indicate success or failure why did it drop after the referendum? Why is it still below pre referendum levels? Give me this years yearly average "
Chris also used rising prices of beef and lamb, as indicator of success.You couldn't make it up |
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"Given that they have had less than half the deaths we have, with a much bigger population, maybe we could trade with them how they achieved that?"
This has been discussed on numerous occasions.
Being that most of the UK deaths are actually English deaths I'm using England and not the UK. The population density of England is nearly twice that of Germany. Along with other things such as social aspects and obedience. |
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"Given that they have had less than half the deaths we have, with a much bigger population, maybe we could trade with them how they achieved that?
This has been discussed on numerous occasions.
Being that most of the UK deaths are actually English deaths I'm using England and not the UK. The population density of England is nearly twice that of Germany. Along with other things such as social aspects and obedience."
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We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations "
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
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The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances? |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?"
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation? |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?"
How do you measure obedience exactly? |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?"
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"First Portugal, now Germany. I reckon one more country falls and we'd be in charge of a Euro block that finishes Brussels for good
"We envy Britain! Germany's biggest newspaper Bild praises UK's incredible vaccine success and contrasts Boris Johnson's optimistic lockdown exit plans with Merkel's doom and gloom" "
Proud to be British |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths "
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan. |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan."
But whenever we are compared to other countries, populations density is a recurring factor. |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
How do you measure obedience exactly?"
Go to your local high street during lockdown and you'll see.
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
But whenever we are compared to other countries, populations density is a recurring factor."
It is a factor. Along with other things like I said |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan."
You were comparing population density |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
How do you measure obedience exactly?
Go to your local high street during lockdown and you'll see.
You know you agree with my statement. You're just being your usual self "
My local high street was dead before.
Ergo we have an obedient population.
You cant argue with science. |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
But whenever we are compared to other countries, populations density is a recurring factor.
It is a factor. Along with other things like I said "
Yes and all others meaning we are spectacularly unlucky.
Come on ,you know its bollocks.
We probally have a few negative factors but we also had plenty of positives ,which should have meant we were in a strong position to deal with it. |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
How do you measure obedience exactly?
Go to your local high street during lockdown and you'll see.
You know you agree with my statement. You're just being your usual self "
Are people stupid where you live? |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
You were comparing population density "
With Germany because the poster before said we should ask Germany |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
But whenever we are compared to other countries, populations density is a recurring factor.
It is a factor. Along with other things like I said
Yes and all others meaning we are spectacularly unlucky.
Come on ,you know its bollocks.
We probally have a few negative factors but we also had plenty of positives ,which should have meant we were in a strong position to deal with it."
Along with other factors. Are you really that thick?
Do I need to spell them all out for you? |
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over a year ago
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
How do you measure obedience exactly?
Go to your local high street during lockdown and you'll see.
You know you agree with my statement. You're just being your usual self
Are people stupid where you live? "
Why would you ask that? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
You were comparing population density
With Germany because the poster before said we should ask Germany"
Ah, so population density isn’t a factor unless it’s England or Germany? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
How do you measure obedience exactly?
Go to your local high street during lockdown and you'll see.
You know you agree with my statement. You're just being your usual self
Are people stupid where you live?
Why would you ask that?"
What type of places are open on your local high street? |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
But whenever we are compared to other countries, populations density is a recurring factor.
It is a factor. Along with other things like I said
Yes and all others meaning we are spectacularly unlucky.
Come on ,you know its bollocks.
We probally have a few negative factors but we also had plenty of positives ,which should have meant we were in a strong position to deal with it.
Along with other factors. Are you really that thick?
Do I need to spell them all out for you?"
Please do
I'm all ears |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
You were comparing population density
With Germany because the poster before said we should ask Germany
Ah, so population density isn’t a factor unless it’s England or Germany? "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
How do you measure obedience exactly?
Go to your local high street during lockdown and you'll see.
You know you agree with my statement. You're just being your usual self
Are people stupid where you live?
Why would you ask that?
What type of places are open on your local high street? "
Half of my local high street is open |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
But whenever we are compared to other countries, populations density is a recurring factor.
It is a factor. Along with other things like I said
Yes and all others meaning we are spectacularly unlucky.
Come on ,you know its bollocks.
We probally have a few negative factors but we also had plenty of positives ,which should have meant we were in a strong position to deal with it.
Along with other factors. Are you really that thick?
Do I need to spell them all out for you?
Please do
I'm all ears"
PD, half lockdowns, not closing borders, lockdown disobedience, PPE issues, ventilator issues, not enough professionals etc etc. I'm sure there's many more but those come to mind instantly |
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over a year ago
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
You were comparing population density
With Germany because the poster before said we should ask Germany
Ah, so population density isn’t a factor unless it’s England or Germany?
Of course it's a factor. But bringing other countries into when this is about Germany "
I see, so population density is a factor but not relevant in other countries . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
How do you measure obedience exactly?
Go to your local high street during lockdown and you'll see.
You know you agree with my statement. You're just being your usual self
Are people stupid where you live?
Why would you ask that?
What type of places are open on your local high street?
Half of my local high street is open"
That’s why it busy then, |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
You were comparing population density
With Germany because the poster before said we should ask Germany
Ah, so population density isn’t a factor unless it’s England or Germany?
Of course it's a factor. But bringing other countries into when this is about Germany
I see, so population density is a factor but not relevant in other countries . "
How many times. This thread and the reply in question is specifically about Germany. And anyway, Japans PD is lower than Englands |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
You were comparing population density
With Germany because the poster before said we should ask Germany
Ah, so population density isn’t a factor unless it’s England or Germany?
Of course it's a factor. But bringing other countries into when this is about Germany
I see, so population density is a factor but not relevant in other countries .
How many times. This thread and the reply in question is specifically about Germany. And anyway, Japans PD is lower than Englands "
Tokyo’s isn’t |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
You were comparing population density
With Germany because the poster before said we should ask Germany
Ah, so population density isn’t a factor unless it’s England or Germany?
Of course it's a factor. But bringing other countries into when this is about Germany "
As it was me who picked Germany as a broadly comparable society, who would you say that we should look at? |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
You were comparing population density
With Germany because the poster before said we should ask Germany
Ah, so population density isn’t a factor unless it’s England or Germany?
Of course it's a factor. But bringing other countries into when this is about Germany
I see, so population density is a factor but not relevant in other countries .
How many times. This thread and the reply in question is specifically about Germany. And anyway, Japans PD is lower than Englands "
It isn’t though - England 275 per square kilometre, Japan 340 per square kilometre. Facts are important, more so than throw away comments. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16. |
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"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16. "
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!) |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
You were comparing population density
With Germany because the poster before said we should ask Germany
Ah, so population density isn’t a factor unless it’s England or Germany?
Of course it's a factor. But bringing other countries into when this is about Germany
As it was me who picked Germany as a broadly comparable society, who would you say that we should look at? "
Nowhere compares to This Land of King, This Realm, This England. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)"
How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too. |
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"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)"
Come now.
Surely you have learnt how this place works now? |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
Between Chichester and Havant |
"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)
Come now.
Surely you have learnt how this place works now?"
Yesterday, Lionel you were saying it was down to science and the scientists. |
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"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)
Come now.
Surely you have learnt how this place works now?
Yesterday, Lionel you were saying it was down to science and the scientists."
What was? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
You were comparing population density
With Germany because the poster before said we should ask Germany
Ah, so population density isn’t a factor unless it’s England or Germany?
Of course it's a factor. But bringing other countries into when this is about Germany
As it was me who picked Germany as a broadly comparable society, who would you say that we should look at?
Nowhere compares to This Land of King, This Realm, This England. "
Awww I got to recite this at Senior High . . .
“This royal throne of kings, this sceptered isle, This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars, This other Eden, demi-paradise, This fortress built by Nature for herself Against infection and the hand of war, This happy breed of men, this little world, This precious stone set in the silver sea, Which serves it in the office of a wall Or as a moat defensive to a house, Against the envy of less happier lands,--This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.”
Makes me proud. (and I'm half -French lol) |
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"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too."
From my other post, I’m sure you’ve read it
Germany has 67,000 deaths in a population of 83m, we have 143,000 with 66m. So ifwe had been like Germany, then we would have had 53,000 deaths. So the ‘price’ is an extra 90,000 deaths. Is that the right price for ‘health & freedom’?
Boris and the Tory’s cocked up on everything other than getting the vaccines early. People died needlessly as a direct consequence. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too.
From my other post, I’m sure you’ve read it
Germany has 67,000 deaths in a population of 83m, we have 143,000 with 66m. So ifwe had been like Germany, then we would have had 53,000 deaths. So the ‘price’ is an extra 90,000 deaths. Is that the right price for ‘health & freedom’?
Boris and the Tory’s cocked up on everything other than getting the vaccines early. People died needlessly as a direct consequence."
Have you taken into the equation the population density,the bame population? as its said they are 4 times more likely to die from covid,how does the over 80,s compare ?.You also seem to be using figures for the whole of the uk when we know Scotland,wales and N ireland have done their own thing as regards covid.You seem also to disregard the fact that a new variant developed in the uk which the uk discovered and immediately informed the rest of the world which resulted in them banning flights from the uk.
Now you blame boris for these deaths you still haven't told me what he actually did to cause these. |
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That 143k figure is incorrect too, no idea where you got that from. I do wish people would stop using figures showing deaths that are not correct, nobody truly knows how many have died from covid in this country yet due to the way its recorded. Until you start to only record a death from covid when someone has certainly died from it the figures will be shit. Died with a positive test in the last 28 days is not died of. Sorry for that rant but I have just been through this with my uncle passing and covid being put on his certificate even though he was only tested positive 2 days before his death. The system is wrong, the death figures are wrong. |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
You were comparing population density
With Germany because the poster before said we should ask Germany
Ah, so population density isn’t a factor unless it’s England or Germany?
Of course it's a factor. But bringing other countries into when this is about Germany
As it was me who picked Germany as a broadly comparable society, who would you say that we should look at?
Nowhere compares to This Land of King, This Realm, This England.
Awww I got to recite this at Senior High . . .
“This royal throne of kings, this sceptered isle, This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars, This other Eden, demi-paradise, This fortress built by Nature for herself Against infection and the hand of war, This happy breed of men, this little world, This precious stone set in the silver sea, Which serves it in the office of a wall Or as a moat defensive to a house, Against the envy of less happier lands,--This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.”
Makes me proud. (and I'm half -French lol)"
Ooh I got spine tingles reading that. I'm sure everyone on this thread, including our friends the Welsh and the Scots, did as well |
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"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too.
From my other post, I’m sure you’ve read it
Germany has 67,000 deaths in a population of 83m, we have 143,000 with 66m. So ifwe had been like Germany, then we would have had 53,000 deaths. So the ‘price’ is an extra 90,000 deaths. Is that the right price for ‘health & freedom’?
Boris and the Tory’s cocked up on everything other than getting the vaccines early. People died needlessly as a direct consequence."
Just like to point out as certain poster are comparing the UK to Germany plus the fact the UK locked down to late.
1st lockdown UK 23rd March
1st lockdown Germany 22nd March.
One day in it so not much of an argument imo. |
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too.
From my other post, I’m sure you’ve read it
Germany has 67,000 deaths in a population of 83m, we have 143,000 with 66m. So ifwe had been like Germany, then we would have had 53,000 deaths. So the ‘price’ is an extra 90,000 deaths. Is that the right price for ‘health & freedom’?
Boris and the Tory’s cocked up on everything other than getting the vaccines early. People died needlessly as a direct consequence.Have you taken into the equation the population density,the bame population? as its said they are 4 times more likely to die from covid,how does the over 80,s compare ?.You also seem to be using figures for the whole of the uk when we know Scotland,wales and N ireland have done their own thing as regards covid.You seem also to disregard the fact that a new variant developed in the uk which the uk discovered and immediately informed the rest of the world which resulted in them banning flights from the uk.
Now you blame boris for these deaths you still haven't told me what he actually did to cause these. "
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"As an outsider you cant help but admire Merkel
What's this now..her 3rd term?
Resolute,competent,she has oversaw the economic powerhouse in europe and the way she stood upto trump was more than impressive.
She will rightly go down as one of the modern era great politicians.
"
Far FAR from it.
Merkel was very well liked in Germany in her early years but these days she is almost universally hated here.
Look closely at the "3 terms" and, for example, it was nothing like Blair.
The current German government is what is known as the "Jamaica coalition" (from the colours of the Jamaican flag)
Merkels CDU/CSU alliance (Black) was the largest party but when you take away the CSU (separate but allied to Merkel) votes in Bavaria (which have been almost a given for years) Merkel herself only got just over a quarter of the total.
Which left Merkel scratching to form a government. Her grand coalition, which she had to form with SPD (Red) when she couldn't win the previous election, had collapsed so she had to do a deal with FDP (yellow, think Lib Dems) and the Greens to form a government.
This was in 2017. Since then Merkel and her CDU party have lost popularity, only CSU in Bavaria has stood still (as it pretty much always has) Most opinion polls have Merkel dropping another 2 or 3% from what was an all time low last time.
Come September (whatever the details of the result) it will be another horse trading exercise to form a government here.
Merkel has only "won" one election. The last two "wins" were cobbled together in the corridors of power. |
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"As an outsider you cant help but admire Merkel
What's this now..her 3rd term?
Resolute,competent,she has oversaw the economic powerhouse in europe and the way she stood upto trump was more than impressive.
She will rightly go down as one of the modern era great politicians.
Far FAR from it.
Merkel was very well liked in Germany in her early years but these days she is almost universally hated here.
Look closely at the "3 terms" and, for example, it was nothing like Blair.
The current German government is what is known as the "Jamaica coalition" (from the colours of the Jamaican flag)
Merkels CDU/CSU alliance (Black) was the largest party but when you take away the CSU (separate but allied to Merkel) votes in Bavaria (which have been almost a given for years) Merkel herself only got just over a quarter of the total.
Which left Merkel scratching to form a government. Her grand coalition, which she had to form with SPD (Red) when she couldn't win the previous election, had collapsed so she had to do a deal with FDP (yellow, think Lib Dems) and the Greens to form a government.
This was in 2017. Since then Merkel and her CDU party have lost popularity, only CSU in Bavaria has stood still (as it pretty much always has) Most opinion polls have Merkel dropping another 2 or 3% from what was an all time low last time.
Come September (whatever the details of the result) it will be another horse trading exercise to form a government here.
Merkel has only "won" one election. The last two "wins" were cobbled together in the corridors of power."
Even so..more widely in europe ,you dont serve 3 terms in the most powerful country in europe and are seen as a political failure.
Whatever you think of her personally, she will go down in history as a formidable politician in a mans world. |
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"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too.
From my other post, I’m sure you’ve read it
Germany has 67,000 deaths in a population of 83m, we have 143,000 with 66m. So ifwe had been like Germany, then we would have had 53,000 deaths. So the ‘price’ is an extra 90,000 deaths. Is that the right price for ‘health & freedom’?
Boris and the Tory’s cocked up on everything other than getting the vaccines early. People died needlessly as a direct consequence.
Just like to point out as certain poster are comparing the UK to Germany plus the fact the UK locked down to late.
1st lockdown UK 23rd March
1st lockdown Germany 22nd March.
One day in it so not much of an argument imo."
It seems to have saved an awful lot of lives - but then again they didn’t have Cheltenham Festival, Cummings or Boris |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too.
From my other post, I’m sure you’ve read it
Germany has 67,000 deaths in a population of 83m, we have 143,000 with 66m. So ifwe had been like Germany, then we would have had 53,000 deaths. So the ‘price’ is an extra 90,000 deaths. Is that the right price for ‘health & freedom’?
Boris and the Tory’s cocked up on everything other than getting the vaccines early. People died needlessly as a direct consequence.
Just like to point out as certain poster are comparing the UK to Germany plus the fact the UK locked down to late.
1st lockdown UK 23rd March
1st lockdown Germany 22nd March.
One day in it so not much of an argument imo."
If only it was that simple.
Germany - closed borders 16th March
U.K. - partially closed borders beginning of June
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It will be interesting to see if the governments claim of 70% of PPE production include gloves as last October they removed these from the count.
Gloves account for over 50% of PPE numbers so the real U.K. supply ( note supply, not manufacture ) could be as low as 25-30%
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"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too.
From my other post, I’m sure you’ve read it
Germany has 67,000 deaths in a population of 83m, we have 143,000 with 66m. So ifwe had been like Germany, then we would have had 53,000 deaths. So the ‘price’ is an extra 90,000 deaths. Is that the right price for ‘health & freedom’?
Boris and the Tory’s cocked up on everything other than getting the vaccines early. People died needlessly as a direct consequence.
Just like to point out as certain poster are comparing the UK to Germany plus the fact the UK locked down to late.
1st lockdown UK 23rd March
1st lockdown Germany 22nd March.
One day in it so not much of an argument imo.
If only it was that simple.
Germany - closed borders 16th March
U.K. - partially closed borders beginning of June
Enough said . "
Ok lets go further.
Germany lockdown on 22nd March did not tell the public to stay at home.
UK lockdown on 23rd March told the public to stay at home.
So the UK lockdown was far stricter than the Germany lockdown. |
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"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too.
From my other post, I’m sure you’ve read it
Germany has 67,000 deaths in a population of 83m, we have 143,000 with 66m. So ifwe had been like Germany, then we would have had 53,000 deaths. So the ‘price’ is an extra 90,000 deaths. Is that the right price for ‘health & freedom’?
Boris and the Tory’s cocked up on everything other than getting the vaccines early. People died needlessly as a direct consequence.
Just like to point out as certain poster are comparing the UK to Germany plus the fact the UK locked down to late.
1st lockdown UK 23rd March
1st lockdown Germany 22nd March.
One day in it so not much of an argument imo.
If only it was that simple.
Germany - closed borders 16th March
U.K. - partially closed borders beginning of June
Enough said .
Ok lets go further.
Germany lockdown on 22nd March did not tell the public to stay at home.
UK lockdown on 23rd March told the public to stay at home.
So the UK lockdown was far stricter than the Germany lockdown. "
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
You were comparing population density
With Germany because the poster before said we should ask Germany
Ah, so population density isn’t a factor unless it’s England or Germany?
Of course it's a factor. But bringing other countries into when this is about Germany
I see, so population density is a factor but not relevant in other countries .
How many times. This thread and the reply in question is specifically about Germany. And anyway, Japans PD is lower than Englands
It isn’t though - England 275 per square kilometre, Japan 340 per square kilometre. Facts are important, more so than throw away comments."
You are correct. Facts are very very important. That's why you should know that England's PD is actually 432 per sqkm.
And England's recorded Covid-19 deaths is 107k.
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"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too.
From my other post, I’m sure you’ve read it
Germany has 67,000 deaths in a population of 83m, we have 143,000 with 66m. So ifwe had been like Germany, then we would have had 53,000 deaths. So the ‘price’ is an extra 90,000 deaths. Is that the right price for ‘health & freedom’?
Boris and the Tory’s cocked up on everything other than getting the vaccines early. People died needlessly as a direct consequence.
Just like to point out as certain poster are comparing the UK to Germany plus the fact the UK locked down to late.
1st lockdown UK 23rd March
1st lockdown Germany 22nd March.
One day in it so not much of an argument imo.
If only it was that simple.
Germany - closed borders 16th March
U.K. - partially closed borders beginning of June
Enough said .
Ok lets go further.
Germany lockdown on 22nd March did not tell the public to stay at home.
UK lockdown on 23rd March told the public to stay at home.
So the UK lockdown was far stricter than the Germany lockdown.
Ironic then that the UK public went out and the Germans stayed at home. "
This is what I was saying about population obedience. But apparently I talk nonsense |
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"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too.
From my other post, I’m sure you’ve read it
Germany has 67,000 deaths in a population of 83m, we have 143,000 with 66m. So ifwe had been like Germany, then we would have had 53,000 deaths. So the ‘price’ is an extra 90,000 deaths. Is that the right price for ‘health & freedom’?
Boris and the Tory’s cocked up on everything other than getting the vaccines early. People died needlessly as a direct consequence.
Just like to point out as certain poster are comparing the UK to Germany plus the fact the UK locked down to late.
1st lockdown UK 23rd March
1st lockdown Germany 22nd March.
One day in it so not much of an argument imo.
If only it was that simple.
Germany - closed borders 16th March
U.K. - partially closed borders beginning of June
Enough said .
Ok lets go further.
Germany lockdown on 22nd March did not tell the public to stay at home.
UK lockdown on 23rd March told the public to stay at home.
So the UK lockdown was far stricter than the Germany lockdown.
Ironic then that the UK public went out and the Germans stayed at home.
This is what I was saying about population obedience. But apparently I talk nonsense "
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too.
From my other post, I’m sure you’ve read it
Germany has 67,000 deaths in a population of 83m, we have 143,000 with 66m. So ifwe had been like Germany, then we would have had 53,000 deaths. So the ‘price’ is an extra 90,000 deaths. Is that the right price for ‘health & freedom’?
Boris and the Tory’s cocked up on everything other than getting the vaccines early. People died needlessly as a direct consequence.
Just like to point out as certain poster are comparing the UK to Germany plus the fact the UK locked down to late.
1st lockdown UK 23rd March
1st lockdown Germany 22nd March.
One day in it so not much of an argument imo.
If only it was that simple.
Germany - closed borders 16th March
U.K. - partially closed borders beginning of June
Enough said .
Ok lets go further.
Germany lockdown on 22nd March did not tell the public to stay at home.
UK lockdown on 23rd March told the public to stay at home.
So the UK lockdown was far stricter than the Germany lockdown. "
Rubbish they didn’t need to lockdown as hard as their outbreak wasn’t as bad and they had far better testing facilities set up from day one so knew where the virus was.
Also they didn’t need to be as strict as the people followed the rules ( they love rules ) and when you have the likes of Cummings setting an example it’s easy to see why we didn’t follow rules.
The Germans had compulsory wearing of masks months before we even thought it might be a good idea.
However the main failing of the U.K. government was the disease was travelling between countries due to flights so stopping planes rapidly slowed down the importing and spread of the virus. That’s fact and looking at New Zealand as island example it could have been so much better here.
We let the world keep coming in for months. We have introduced quarantine 12 months later . Brilliant.
Remember the first flight from China when they locked up the passengers. Why was that not extended for all arrivals ?
My own in law arrived in Heathrow from Madrid at the height of their outbreak and deaths. He didn’t get stopped checked tested or anything. Sailed through. |
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"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too.
From my other post, I’m sure you’ve read it
Germany has 67,000 deaths in a population of 83m, we have 143,000 with 66m. So ifwe had been like Germany, then we would have had 53,000 deaths. So the ‘price’ is an extra 90,000 deaths. Is that the right price for ‘health & freedom’?
Boris and the Tory’s cocked up on everything other than getting the vaccines early. People died needlessly as a direct consequence.
Just like to point out as certain poster are comparing the UK to Germany plus the fact the UK locked down to late.
1st lockdown UK 23rd March
1st lockdown Germany 22nd March.
One day in it so not much of an argument imo.
If only it was that simple.
Germany - closed borders 16th March
U.K. - partially closed borders beginning of June
Enough said .
Ok lets go further.
Germany lockdown on 22nd March did not tell the public to stay at home.
UK lockdown on 23rd March told the public to stay at home.
So the UK lockdown was far stricter than the Germany lockdown.
Rubbish they didn’t need to lockdown as hard as their outbreak wasn’t as bad and they had far better testing facilities set up from day one so knew where the virus was.
Also they didn’t need to be as strict as the people followed the rules ( they love rules ) and when you have the likes of Cummings setting an example it’s easy to see why we didn’t follow rules.
The Germans had compulsory wearing of masks months before we even thought it might be a good idea.
However the main failing of the U.K. government was the disease was travelling between countries due to flights so stopping planes rapidly slowed down the importing and spread of the virus. That’s fact and looking at New Zealand as island example it could have been so much better here.
We let the world keep coming in for months. We have introduced quarantine 12 months later . Brilliant.
Remember the first flight from China when they locked up the passengers. Why was that not extended for all arrivals ?
My own in law arrived in Heathrow from Madrid at the height of their outbreak and deaths. He didn’t get stopped checked tested or anything. Sailed through. "
Nah it's ok cos every other country in the world has populations who do as their told.
Whilst we are the only country to have a nation of maverick who break all the rules.
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"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too.
From my other post, I’m sure you’ve read it
Germany has 67,000 deaths in a population of 83m, we have 143,000 with 66m. So ifwe had been like Germany, then we would have had 53,000 deaths. So the ‘price’ is an extra 90,000 deaths. Is that the right price for ‘health & freedom’?
Boris and the Tory’s cocked up on everything other than getting the vaccines early. People died needlessly as a direct consequence.
Just like to point out as certain poster are comparing the UK to Germany plus the fact the UK locked down to late.
1st lockdown UK 23rd March
1st lockdown Germany 22nd March.
One day in it so not much of an argument imo.
If only it was that simple.
Germany - closed borders 16th March
U.K. - partially closed borders beginning of June
Enough said .
Ok lets go further.
Germany lockdown on 22nd March did not tell the public to stay at home.
UK lockdown on 23rd March told the public to stay at home.
So the UK lockdown was far stricter than the Germany lockdown.
Rubbish they didn’t need to lockdown as hard as their outbreak wasn’t as bad and they had far better testing facilities set up from day one so knew where the virus was.
Also they didn’t need to be as strict as the people followed the rules ( they love rules ) and when you have the likes of Cummings setting an example it’s easy to see why we didn’t follow rules.
The Germans had compulsory wearing of masks months before we even thought it might be a good idea.
However the main failing of the U.K. government was the disease was travelling between countries due to flights so stopping planes rapidly slowed down the importing and spread of the virus. That’s fact and looking at New Zealand as island example it could have been so much better here.
We let the world keep coming in for months. We have introduced quarantine 12 months later . Brilliant.
Remember the first flight from China when they locked up the passengers. Why was that not extended for all arrivals ?
My own in law arrived in Heathrow from Madrid at the height of their outbreak and deaths. He didn’t get stopped checked tested or anything. Sailed through. "
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over a year ago
Manchester |
"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too.
From my other post, I’m sure you’ve read it
Germany has 67,000 deaths in a population of 83m, we have 143,000 with 66m. So ifwe had been like Germany, then we would have had 53,000 deaths. So the ‘price’ is an extra 90,000 deaths. Is that the right price for ‘health & freedom’?
Boris and the Tory’s cocked up on everything other than getting the vaccines early. People died needlessly as a direct consequence.
Just like to point out as certain poster are comparing the UK to Germany plus the fact the UK locked down to late.
1st lockdown UK 23rd March
1st lockdown Germany 22nd March.
One day in it so not much of an argument imo.
If only it was that simple.
Germany - closed borders 16th March
U.K. - partially closed borders beginning of June
Enough said .
Ok lets go further.
Germany lockdown on 22nd March did not tell the public to stay at home.
UK lockdown on 23rd March told the public to stay at home.
So the UK lockdown was far stricter than the Germany lockdown.
Rubbish they didn’t need to lockdown as hard as their outbreak wasn’t as bad and they had far better testing facilities set up from day one so knew where the virus was.
Also they didn’t need to be as strict as the people followed the rules ( they love rules ) and when you have the likes of Cummings setting an example it’s easy to see why we didn’t follow rules.
The Germans had compulsory wearing of masks months before we even thought it might be a good idea.
However the main failing of the U.K. government was the disease was travelling between countries due to flights so stopping planes rapidly slowed down the importing and spread of the virus. That’s fact and looking at New Zealand as island example it could have been so much better here.
We let the world keep coming in for months. We have introduced quarantine 12 months later . Brilliant.
Remember the first flight from China when they locked up the passengers. Why was that not extended for all arrivals ?
My own in law arrived in Heathrow from Madrid at the height of their outbreak and deaths. He didn’t get stopped checked tested or anything. Sailed through.
And yet the Germans' biggest newspaper literally says they envy us. "
And yet only on one thing out of thousands !
You’re grasping again!!
I bet they don’t envy our indebtedness and our lack of wealth or in fact our death rate from Covid.
We are nearly world leaders at having lots of pricks. There’s a cupboard or or do I mean cabinet of truth in that statement somewhere!!
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"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too.
From my other post, I’m sure you’ve read it
Germany has 67,000 deaths in a population of 83m, we have 143,000 with 66m. So ifwe had been like Germany, then we would have had 53,000 deaths. So the ‘price’ is an extra 90,000 deaths. Is that the right price for ‘health & freedom’?
Boris and the Tory’s cocked up on everything other than getting the vaccines early. People died needlessly as a direct consequence.
Just like to point out as certain poster are comparing the UK to Germany plus the fact the UK locked down to late.
1st lockdown UK 23rd March
1st lockdown Germany 22nd March.
One day in it so not much of an argument imo.
If only it was that simple.
Germany - closed borders 16th March
U.K. - partially closed borders beginning of June
Enough said .
Ok lets go further.
Germany lockdown on 22nd March did not tell the public to stay at home.
UK lockdown on 23rd March told the public to stay at home.
So the UK lockdown was far stricter than the Germany lockdown.
Rubbish they didn’t need to lockdown as hard as their outbreak wasn’t as bad and they had far better testing facilities set up from day one so knew where the virus was.
Also they didn’t need to be as strict as the people followed the rules ( they love rules ) and when you have the likes of Cummings setting an example it’s easy to see why we didn’t follow rules.
The Germans had compulsory wearing of masks months before we even thought it might be a good idea.
However the main failing of the U.K. government was the disease was travelling between countries due to flights so stopping planes rapidly slowed down the importing and spread of the virus. That’s fact and looking at New Zealand as island example it could have been so much better here.
We let the world keep coming in for months. We have introduced quarantine 12 months later . Brilliant.
Remember the first flight from China when they locked up the passengers. Why was that not extended for all arrivals ?
My own in law arrived in Heathrow from Madrid at the height of their outbreak and deaths. He didn’t get stopped checked tested or anything. Sailed through.
And yet the Germans' biggest newspaper literally says they envy us. "
They are envying our roll out.
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"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too.
From my other post, I’m sure you’ve read it
Germany has 67,000 deaths in a population of 83m, we have 143,000 with 66m. So ifwe had been like Germany, then we would have had 53,000 deaths. So the ‘price’ is an extra 90,000 deaths. Is that the right price for ‘health & freedom’?
Boris and the Tory’s cocked up on everything other than getting the vaccines early. People died needlessly as a direct consequence.
Just like to point out as certain poster are comparing the UK to Germany plus the fact the UK locked down to late.
1st lockdown UK 23rd March
1st lockdown Germany 22nd March.
One day in it so not much of an argument imo.
If only it was that simple.
Germany - closed borders 16th March
U.K. - partially closed borders beginning of June
Enough said .
Ok lets go further.
Germany lockdown on 22nd March did not tell the public to stay at home.
UK lockdown on 23rd March told the public to stay at home.
So the UK lockdown was far stricter than the Germany lockdown.
Rubbish they didn’t need to lockdown as hard as their outbreak wasn’t as bad and they had far better testing facilities set up from day one so knew where the virus was.
Also they didn’t need to be as strict as the people followed the rules ( they love rules ) and when you have the likes of Cummings setting an example it’s easy to see why we didn’t follow rules.
The Germans had compulsory wearing of masks months before we even thought it might be a good idea.
However the main failing of the U.K. government was the disease was travelling between countries due to flights so stopping planes rapidly slowed down the importing and spread of the virus. That’s fact and looking at New Zealand as island example it could have been so much better here.
We let the world keep coming in for months. We have introduced quarantine 12 months later . Brilliant.
Remember the first flight from China when they locked up the passengers. Why was that not extended for all arrivals ?
My own in law arrived in Heathrow from Madrid at the height of their outbreak and deaths. He didn’t get stopped checked tested or anything. Sailed through.
And yet the Germans' biggest newspaper literally says they envy us.
They are envying our roll out.
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"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too.
From my other post, I’m sure you’ve read it
Germany has 67,000 deaths in a population of 83m, we have 143,000 with 66m. So ifwe had been like Germany, then we would have had 53,000 deaths. So the ‘price’ is an extra 90,000 deaths. Is that the right price for ‘health & freedom’?
Boris and the Tory’s cocked up on everything other than getting the vaccines early. People died needlessly as a direct consequence.
Just like to point out as certain poster are comparing the UK to Germany plus the fact the UK locked down to late.
1st lockdown UK 23rd March
1st lockdown Germany 22nd March.
One day in it so not much of an argument imo.
If only it was that simple.
Germany - closed borders 16th March
U.K. - partially closed borders beginning of June
Enough said .
Ok lets go further.
Germany lockdown on 22nd March did not tell the public to stay at home.
UK lockdown on 23rd March told the public to stay at home.
So the UK lockdown was far stricter than the Germany lockdown.
Rubbish they didn’t need to lockdown as hard as their outbreak wasn’t as bad and they had far better testing facilities set up from day one so knew where the virus was.
Also they didn’t need to be as strict as the people followed the rules ( they love rules ) and when you have the likes of Cummings setting an example it’s easy to see why we didn’t follow rules.
The Germans had compulsory wearing of masks months before we even thought it might be a good idea.
However the main failing of the U.K. government was the disease was travelling between countries due to flights so stopping planes rapidly slowed down the importing and spread of the virus. That’s fact and looking at New Zealand as island example it could have been so much better here.
We let the world keep coming in for months. We have introduced quarantine 12 months later . Brilliant.
Remember the first flight from China when they locked up the passengers. Why was that not extended for all arrivals ?
My own in law arrived in Heathrow from Madrid at the height of their outbreak and deaths. He didn’t get stopped checked tested or anything. Sailed through.
And yet the Germans' biggest newspaper literally says they envy us.
They are envying our roll out.
Well in a life or death situation, the roll out is kind of the only thing that matters right now, don't you agree? "
Personally I'd say having one of the worst death rates in europe would also have to be taken into consideration.
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"Germany's top-selling newspaper has hailed the UK's COVID vaccine rollout success and its plans to lift lockdown, announcing on its front page: "Dear British, we envy you."
My husbands Niece is at school in Germany. She doesn't really care about population density, she just feels that we are doing a much better job at getting the vaccinations done and that information is very toxic on vaccine uptake in Germany right now.
My Husbands Niece is just 16.
Totally agree we have done the vaccines better. Its just the bit before where Boris policies directly led to 90,000 more deaths than we would have had if we’d done it the German way - 90,000 deaths on Boris hands (as he has no conscience!)How do you actually work that out? im very interested to know and im sure the government would be too.
From my other post, I’m sure you’ve read it
Germany has 67,000 deaths in a population of 83m, we have 143,000 with 66m. So ifwe had been like Germany, then we would have had 53,000 deaths. So the ‘price’ is an extra 90,000 deaths. Is that the right price for ‘health & freedom’?
Boris and the Tory’s cocked up on everything other than getting the vaccines early. People died needlessly as a direct consequence.
Just like to point out as certain poster are comparing the UK to Germany plus the fact the UK locked down to late.
1st lockdown UK 23rd March
1st lockdown Germany 22nd March.
One day in it so not much of an argument imo.
If only it was that simple.
Germany - closed borders 16th March
U.K. - partially closed borders beginning of June
Enough said .
Ok lets go further.
Germany lockdown on 22nd March did not tell the public to stay at home.
UK lockdown on 23rd March told the public to stay at home.
So the UK lockdown was far stricter than the Germany lockdown.
Rubbish they didn’t need to lockdown as hard as their outbreak wasn’t as bad and they had far better testing facilities set up from day one so knew where the virus was.
Also they didn’t need to be as strict as the people followed the rules ( they love rules ) and when you have the likes of Cummings setting an example it’s easy to see why we didn’t follow rules.
The Germans had compulsory wearing of masks months before we even thought it might be a good idea.
However the main failing of the U.K. government was the disease was travelling between countries due to flights so stopping planes rapidly slowed down the importing and spread of the virus. That’s fact and looking at New Zealand as island example it could have been so much better here.
We let the world keep coming in for months. We have introduced quarantine 12 months later . Brilliant.
Remember the first flight from China when they locked up the passengers. Why was that not extended for all arrivals ?
My own in law arrived in Heathrow from Madrid at the height of their outbreak and deaths. He didn’t get stopped checked tested or anything. Sailed through.
And yet the Germans' biggest newspaper literally says they envy us.
They are envying our roll out.
Well in a life or death situation, the roll out is kind of the only thing that matters right now, don't you agree?
Personally I'd say having one of the worst death rates in europe would also have to be taken into consideration.
Just because the roll out has been a success,doesn't negative the previous 12 months car crash."
I've said many times the government has performed shockingly badly.
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
You were comparing population density
With Germany because the poster before said we should ask Germany
Ah, so population density isn’t a factor unless it’s England or Germany?
Of course it's a factor. But bringing other countries into when this is about Germany
I see, so population density is a factor but not relevant in other countries .
How many times. This thread and the reply in question is specifically about Germany. And anyway, Japans PD is lower than Englands
It isn’t though - England 275 per square kilometre, Japan 340 per square kilometre. Facts are important, more so than throw away comments.
You are correct. Facts are very very important. That's why you should know that England's PD is actually 432 per sqkm.
And England's recorded Covid-19 deaths is 107k.
If you're gonna try call me out on facts please make sure you have the correct figures "
You are right on England, I picked up the UK figure. Should we removed some of the Japanese islands which are less populated as well? In terms of the number of excess deaths, you are under reporting |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
You were comparing population density
With Germany because the poster before said we should ask Germany
Ah, so population density isn’t a factor unless it’s England or Germany?
Of course it's a factor. But bringing other countries into when this is about Germany
I see, so population density is a factor but not relevant in other countries .
How many times. This thread and the reply in question is specifically about Germany. And anyway, Japans PD is lower than Englands
It isn’t though - England 275 per square kilometre, Japan 340 per square kilometre. Facts are important, more so than throw away comments.
You are correct. Facts are very very important. That's why you should know that England's PD is actually 432 per sqkm.
And England's recorded Covid-19 deaths is 107k.
If you're gonna try call me out on facts please make sure you have the correct figures
You are right on England, I picked up the UK figure. Should we removed some of the Japanese islands which are less populated as well? In terms of the number of excess deaths, you are under reporting "
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
You were comparing population density
With Germany because the poster before said we should ask Germany
Ah, so population density isn’t a factor unless it’s England or Germany?
Of course it's a factor. But bringing other countries into when this is about Germany
I see, so population density is a factor but not relevant in other countries .
How many times. This thread and the reply in question is specifically about Germany. And anyway, Japans PD is lower than Englands
It isn’t though - England 275 per square kilometre, Japan 340 per square kilometre. Facts are important, more so than throw away comments.
You are correct. Facts are very very important. That's why you should know that England's PD is actually 432 per sqkm.
And England's recorded Covid-19 deaths is 107k.
If you're gonna try call me out on facts please make sure you have the correct figures
You are right on England, I picked up the UK figure. Should we removed some of the Japanese islands which are less populated as well? In terms of the number of excess deaths, you are under reporting
I haven't reported any figures in terms of excess deaths. Are you saying the excess is higher than 107k?"
Just checked Japan, Honshu Island the main Island has a population of 109m and an area of 228,000 sq km, so a pd of 456 peopleper sq km. so more than England even. I believe they also have a much, much lower excess desth rate.
It is time to face facts, Britain under Boris screwed this up royally. We are not noticeably different to other countries in anything other than our leadership.
For a year (on this subject alone), the Leadership has been abysmal and its actions and inaction have cost the lives of 10’s of thousands of people, as well as hurting their families and many others who suffer with Long Covid.
There is no need to argue about a few thousand here or their in numbers, or to say we have unique circumstances. We just don’t - every suggestion has been debunked. We aren’t overcrowded, we don’t have a unique lack of following rules, we don’t have the ‘wrong’ population mix. What we do have is criminally culpable Leadership. |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
You were comparing population density
With Germany because the poster before said we should ask Germany
Ah, so population density isn’t a factor unless it’s England or Germany?
Of course it's a factor. But bringing other countries into when this is about Germany
I see, so population density is a factor but not relevant in other countries .
How many times. This thread and the reply in question is specifically about Germany. And anyway, Japans PD is lower than Englands
It isn’t though - England 275 per square kilometre, Japan 340 per square kilometre. Facts are important, more so than throw away comments.
You are correct. Facts are very very important. That's why you should know that England's PD is actually 432 per sqkm.
And England's recorded Covid-19 deaths is 107k.
If you're gonna try call me out on facts please make sure you have the correct figures
You are right on England, I picked up the UK figure. Should we removed some of the Japanese islands which are less populated as well? In terms of the number of excess deaths, you are under reporting
I haven't reported any figures in terms of excess deaths. Are you saying the excess is higher than 107k?
Just checked Japan, Honshu Island the main Island has a population of 109m and an area of 228,000 sq km, so a pd of 456 peopleper sq km. so more than England even. I believe they also have a much, much lower excess desth rate.
It is time to face facts, Britain under Boris screwed this up royally. We are not noticeably different to other countries in anything other than our leadership.
For a year (on this subject alone), the Leadership has been abysmal and its actions and inaction have cost the lives of 10’s of thousands of people, as well as hurting their families and many others who suffer with Long Covid.
There is no need to argue about a few thousand here or their in numbers, or to say we have unique circumstances. We just don’t - every suggestion has been debunked. We aren’t overcrowded, we don’t have a unique lack of following rules, we don’t have the ‘wrong’ population mix. What we do have is criminally culpable Leadership."
I don't dispute that the government have made some huge mistakes. I have also never said we have unique circumstances.
You're the one who wanted to compare us to other countries. Namely Germany. Now you wanna throw Japan in because they've performed even better
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
You were comparing population density
With Germany because the poster before said we should ask Germany
Ah, so population density isn’t a factor unless it’s England or Germany?
Of course it's a factor. But bringing other countries into when this is about Germany
I see, so population density is a factor but not relevant in other countries .
How many times. This thread and the reply in question is specifically about Germany. And anyway, Japans PD is lower than Englands
It isn’t though - England 275 per square kilometre, Japan 340 per square kilometre. Facts are important, more so than throw away comments.
You are correct. Facts are very very important. That's why you should know that England's PD is actually 432 per sqkm.
And England's recorded Covid-19 deaths is 107k.
If you're gonna try call me out on facts please make sure you have the correct figures
You are right on England, I picked up the UK figure. Should we removed some of the Japanese islands which are less populated as well? In terms of the number of excess deaths, you are under reporting
I haven't reported any figures in terms of excess deaths. Are you saying the excess is higher than 107k?
Just checked Japan, Honshu Island the main Island has a population of 109m and an area of 228,000 sq km, so a pd of 456 peopleper sq km. so more than England even. I believe they also have a much, much lower excess desth rate.
It is time to face facts, Britain under Boris screwed this up royally. We are not noticeably different to other countries in anything other than our leadership.
For a year (on this subject alone), the Leadership has been abysmal and its actions and inaction have cost the lives of 10’s of thousands of people, as well as hurting their families and many others who suffer with Long Covid.
There is no need to argue about a few thousand here or their in numbers, or to say we have unique circumstances. We just don’t - every suggestion has been debunked. We aren’t overcrowded, we don’t have a unique lack of following rules, we don’t have the ‘wrong’ population mix. What we do have is criminally culpable Leadership.
I don't dispute that the government have made some huge mistakes. I have also never said we have unique circumstances.
You're the one who wanted to compare us to other countries. Namely Germany. Now you wanna throw Japan in because they've performed even better
"
For clarity, some Covid Deniers on here used examples of why Britain is different or unique - I was debunking that hypothesis. The Govt has badically cocked up and people, some very close to us have died. This should not be accepted. Other countries did way better on keeping deaths lower. This Govt only got one thing right, ordering the vaccines early. But for our friends this was too late and for many others this was too late. |
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"We should do a Competiton for the best excuse why are rate is so bad
Population density (as obviously no where else on the planet has densely populated areas)
Every other country has an obedient population
Our climate
We are the only country to count deaths 'fairly'
Other countries are used to emergency type situations
Here a few more
Deaths are bad but would have been worse under Corbyn
The EU
Illegal immigrants
The homeless
and people who are claiming UC
The climate one Is my favourite.
How unlucky are we though to have this totally unique set of circumstances?
You boys are funny
Are you telling me that our PD isn't almost twice the size of Germany? Or that we aren't less obedient as a nation?
Tokyo Is very densely populated , 38 million people , 1250 deaths
We were compared to Germany. Not Japan.
You were comparing population density
With Germany because the poster before said we should ask Germany
Ah, so population density isn’t a factor unless it’s England or Germany?
Of course it's a factor. But bringing other countries into when this is about Germany
I see, so population density is a factor but not relevant in other countries .
How many times. This thread and the reply in question is specifically about Germany. And anyway, Japans PD is lower than Englands
It isn’t though - England 275 per square kilometre, Japan 340 per square kilometre. Facts are important, more so than throw away comments.
You are correct. Facts are very very important. That's why you should know that England's PD is actually 432 per sqkm.
And England's recorded Covid-19 deaths is 107k.
If you're gonna try call me out on facts please make sure you have the correct figures
You are right on England, I picked up the UK figure. Should we removed some of the Japanese islands which are less populated as well? In terms of the number of excess deaths, you are under reporting
I haven't reported any figures in terms of excess deaths. Are you saying the excess is higher than 107k?
Just checked Japan, Honshu Island the main Island has a population of 109m and an area of 228,000 sq km, so a pd of 456 peopleper sq km. so more than England even. I believe they also have a much, much lower excess desth rate.
It is time to face facts, Britain under Boris screwed this up royally. We are not noticeably different to other countries in anything other than our leadership.
For a year (on this subject alone), the Leadership has been abysmal and its actions and inaction have cost the lives of 10’s of thousands of people, as well as hurting their families and many others who suffer with Long Covid.
There is no need to argue about a few thousand here or their in numbers, or to say we have unique circumstances. We just don’t - every suggestion has been debunked. We aren’t overcrowded, we don’t have a unique lack of following rules, we don’t have the ‘wrong’ population mix. What we do have is criminally culpable Leadership.
I don't dispute that the government have made some huge mistakes. I have also never said we have unique circumstances.
You're the one who wanted to compare us to other countries. Namely Germany. Now you wanna throw Japan in because they've performed even better
For clarity, some Covid Deniers on here used examples of why Britain is different or unique - I was debunking that hypothesis. The Govt has badically cocked up and people, some very close to us have died. This should not be accepted. Other countries did way better on keeping deaths lower. This Govt only got one thing right, ordering the vaccines early. But for our friends this was too late and for many others this was too late."
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"As an outsider you cant help but admire Merkel
What's this now..her 3rd term?
Resolute,competent,she has oversaw the economic powerhouse in europe and the way she stood upto trump was more than impressive.
She will rightly go down as one of the modern era great politicians.
Far FAR from it.
Merkel was very well liked in Germany in her early years but these days she is almost universally hated here.
Look closely at the "3 terms" and, for example, it was nothing like Blair.
The current German government is what is known as the "Jamaica coalition" (from the colours of the Jamaican flag)
Merkels CDU/CSU alliance (Black) was the largest party but when you take away the CSU (separate but allied to Merkel) votes in Bavaria (which have been almost a given for years) Merkel herself only got just over a quarter of the total.
Which left Merkel scratching to form a government. Her grand coalition, which she had to form with SPD (Red) when she couldn't win the previous election, had collapsed so she had to do a deal with FDP (yellow, think Lib Dems) and the Greens to form a government.
This was in 2017. Since then Merkel and her CDU party have lost popularity, only CSU in Bavaria has stood still (as it pretty much always has) Most opinion polls have Merkel dropping another 2 or 3% from what was an all time low last time.
Come September (whatever the details of the result) it will be another horse trading exercise to form a government here.
Merkel has only "won" one election. The last two "wins" were cobbled together in the corridors of power.
Even so..more widely in europe ,you dont serve 3 terms in the most powerful country in europe and are seen as a political failure.
Whatever you think of her personally, she will go down in history as a formidable politician in a mans world."
Or the one who put the last nail into the CDU coffin. |
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