In what has been described as "the complete breakdown of the necessary barriers which should exist between govt, political party and indeed the prosecution authorities in any country which abides by the rule of law", this is a huge political story currently unfolding north of the border.
To be clear, this isn't a matter of referendum or independence, but fundamentally the shutting down of scrutiny in Scotland. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"In what has been described as "the complete breakdown of the necessary barriers which should exist between govt, political party and indeed the prosecution authorities in any country which abides by the rule of law", this is a huge political story currently unfolding north of the border.
To be clear, this isn't a matter of referendum or independence, but fundamentally the shutting down of scrutiny in Scotland."
It is certainly a very strange - but perhaps predictable - set of circumstances that the Scottish people find themselves in.
There is a mass of happenstances yet to watch unfold lol. |
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"I really do not understand whats going on tbh but it seems strange that parliament can censor his statement how is that possible? "
Stephen Daisley has written a piece which lays out what is going on in relation to the enquiry, the parliament, the crown office and the SNP.
won't post a direct link but if you search authors name + "The Scottish establishment is playing into Salmond’s hands" . |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"I really do not understand whats going on tbh but it seems strange that parliament can censor his statement how is that possible?
Stephen Daisley has written a piece which lays out what is going on in relation to the enquiry, the parliament, the crown office and the SNP.
won't post a direct link but if you search authors name + "The Scottish establishment is playing into Salmond’s hands" ."
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"I really do not understand whats going on tbh but it seems strange that parliament can censor his statement how is that possible?
Stephen Daisley has written a piece which lays out what is going on in relation to the enquiry, the parliament, the crown office and the SNP.
won't post a direct link but if you search authors name + "The Scottish establishment is playing into Salmond’s hands" ."
Gawd - I read it and had to read it again just to get a sense of keeping up lol.
This will fester for quite a long time - along with the fact the Nikky has been accused of "NICOLA STURGEON was accused of "bare-faced lies" as the SNP split over a second referendum on Scottish independence."
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To be clear, the first post description was from Salmond’s side, which is hardly an unbiased statement.
Also, it is the Crown Office, not the SNP or indeed, SP, that decides whether or not to publish accusations.
In short, Salmond has accused his former party of all sorts of things and the statement he wanted published in full gave details, as I understand it, of the women who accused him of sexual abuse, which were given during his trial, facts and statements that should never be made public. That’s why they were originally blocked but without being allowed to submit what Salmond thinks is his right to vilify these people, he cannot refer to them and this when in front of the inquiry.
So..... he wants his day in court with which to air names, their statements and submissions and accuse Sturgeon of misleading the SP, which if proven would lead to her resigning. Sturgeon absolutely refutes his claims, saying there is ‘not a shred of evidence’.
It is also interesting that she has to be the last figure to be called and through all the refusing to appear cases of Salmond, it certainly sounds like he is determined to have the last word, one way or another. |
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Salmond was found not guilty after testimony from a number of women accusing him of sexual abuse and wants to name those women and discuss their testimony as well accuse FM’s husband and discredit Sturgeon. The Crown Office deemed that unlawful and redacted a portion it had published and now he says he won’t appear until all the accusations are published, so he may refer to them. The accusations have been described as having ‘not a shred of truth’ in them. |
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"Can anyone sum up what’s meant to have happened and what’s currently happening in a paragraph?
Looks interesting. "
Despite some commentators wishing to brush over the fundamental points of the unfolding story, the piece I mention in an early post is worth a read.
I would not be surprised to hear cries of "biased", however you do not need to go very far to find an ever growing number of commentaries and articles which affirm and validate the growing concerns of what is actually unfolding in Scotland at the moment.
In summary, Sturgeon says "show me proof", Salmond says "ok, here it is". Sturgeon has the proof redacted. Nobody can ask her about the proof. Look there's no proof! |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Salmond was found not guilty after testimony from a number of women accusing him of sexual abuse and wants to name those women and discuss their testimony as well accuse FM’s husband and discredit Sturgeon. The Crown Office deemed that unlawful and redacted a portion it had published and now he says he won’t appear until all the accusations are published, so he may refer to them. The accusations have been described as having ‘not a shred of truth’ in them. "
So these accusations cant be proved to have any credibility or not because the lord advocate who also happens to be the chief legal officer of wee nicola says they are not admissible. |
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".In summary, Sturgeon says "show me proof", Salmond says "ok, here it is". Sturgeon has the proof redacted. Nobody can ask her about the proof. Look there's no proof!"
Actually, that isn’t true. It’s the Crown Office who has redacted parts of Salmond’s accusations to protect the identities of the women who accused him of sexual abuse. It’s not something the FM or any SP member can do. |
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".In summary, Sturgeon says "show me proof", Salmond says "ok, here it is". Sturgeon has the proof redacted. Nobody can ask her about the proof. Look there's no proof!
Actually, that isn’t true. It’s the Crown Office who has redacted parts of Salmond’s accusations to protect the identities of the women who accused him of sexual abuse. It’s not something the FM or any SP member can do."
Seriously ...
Lets see what the Scottish government appointed Lord Advocate, Head of the Crown Office James Wolffe has to say about "What new information or intervention led to such a dramatic expansion of the material which the Parliament has been required to redact?" |
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Who’s quote is that? Salmond’s?
The Lord Advocate may be appointed by the Scottish Parliament- note NOT by the SNP- but the Office is a legal one, not a political one. Separated from government and not controlled by government.
Don’t be pulled into quoting misinformation from poor sources. Just wait for the thing to unravel, one way or another.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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Alex Salmond wants the whole lot brought out into tbe open. Needless to say, Nicola Sturgeon isn't that keen.
Whilst Nicola Sturgeon may well escape from this, its her husband that looks like being under some pressure. |
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And.... one doesn’t have to wait for details of the redacted information- it already has been printed in full. The redacted elements are the names of his accusers, women who were brave enough to come forward to the police and stood in court testifying, in the belief that they were under protection of the law and what they’d said and their names, would not be published nor used for their vilification by the defendant in what looks very much like a vendetta. THAT’S why the Crown Office redacted information. |
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"Alex Salmond wants the whole lot brought out into tbe open. Needless to say, Nicola Sturgeon isn't that keen.
Whilst Nicola Sturgeon may well escape from this, its her husband that looks like being under some pressure. "
Actually, Sturgeon is on record as saying she wants and looks forward to being able to refute all of this. She has vehemently denied all of it. It serves her no purpose to delay anything right now |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"And.... one doesn’t have to wait for details of the redacted information- it already has been printed in full. The redacted elements are the names of his accusers, women who were brave enough to come forward to the police and stood in court testifying, in the belief that they were under protection of the law and what they’d said and their names, would not be published nor used for their vilification by the defendant in what looks very much like a vendetta. THAT’S why the Crown Office redacted information."
They also redacted the bit about wee nicola knowing about the accusations and the time line. |
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"Who’s quote is that? Salmond’s?
The Lord Advocate may be appointed by the Scottish Parliament- note NOT by the SNP- but the Office is a legal one, not a political one. Separated from government and not controlled by government.
Don’t be pulled into quoting misinformation from poor sources. Just wait for the thing to unravel, one way or another.
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Lord Advocate = Chief Legal Officer of the Scottish Government and Head of the Crown Office .
Appointed by the First Minister
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"And.... one doesn’t have to wait for details of the redacted information- it already has been printed in full. The redacted elements are the names of his accusers, women who were brave enough to come forward to the police and stood in court testifying, in the belief that they were under protection of the law and what they’d said and their names, would not be published nor used for their vilification by the defendant in what looks very much like a vendetta. THAT’S why the Crown Office redacted information."
This is factually incorrect!
The testimony does not identify the accusers, Salmond has never said he wishes to identify them.
Lady Dorrians ruling is quite clear, and paved the way for the testimony to published, which in turn lead to the Parliament Corporate Body changing their ruling that the testimony could not be published
After being published on scot.gov it was quickly removed by the Crown office on the advice of the Lord Advocate.
The redacted parts have nothing whatsoever to do with the identification of the accusers.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Alex Salmond wants the whole lot brought out into tbe open. Needless to say, Nicola Sturgeon isn't that keen.
Whilst Nicola Sturgeon may well escape from this, its her husband that looks like being under some pressure. "
I think you are right but you cant tell me there was no pillow talk about stitching him up.  |
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"And.... one doesn’t have to wait for details of the redacted information- it already has been printed in full. The redacted elements are the names of his accusers, women who were brave enough to come forward to the police and stood in court testifying, in the belief that they were under protection of the law and what they’d said and their names, would not be published nor used for their vilification by the defendant in what looks very much like a vendetta. THAT’S why the Crown Office redacted information.
This is factually incorrect!
The testimony does not identify the accusers, Salmond has never said he wishes to identify them.
Lady Dorrians ruling is quite clear, and paved the way for the testimony to published, which in turn lead to the Parliament Corporate Body changing their ruling that the testimony could not be published
After being published on scot.gov it was quickly removed by the Crown office on the advice of the Lord Advocate.
The redacted parts have nothing whatsoever to do with the identification of the accusers.
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Yes it does. They are entitled to anonymity. |
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"And.... one doesn’t have to wait for details of the redacted information- it already has been printed in full. The redacted elements are the names of his accusers, women who were brave enough to come forward to the police and stood in court testifying, in the belief that they were under protection of the law and what they’d said and their names, would not be published nor used for their vilification by the defendant in what looks very much like a vendetta. THAT’S why the Crown Office redacted information.
This is factually incorrect!
The testimony does not identify the accusers, Salmond has never said he wishes to identify them.
Lady Dorrians ruling is quite clear, and paved the way for the testimony to published, which in turn lead to the Parliament Corporate Body changing their ruling that the testimony could not be published
After being published on scot.gov it was quickly removed by the Crown office on the advice of the Lord Advocate.
The redacted parts have nothing whatsoever to do with the identification of the accusers.
Yes it does. They are entitled to anonymity."
The complainants' right to anonymity has not been breached.
5 paragraphs removed - 12,13,16,17 and 30 - relate directly to issues connected with Sturgeon breaching the ministerial code |
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That should be ‘alleged’ as it’s from Salmond’s accusation.
In order to contend his position he wishes to reference at least some of the women’s’ details. Without full publication, he cannot. |
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"And.... one doesn’t have to wait for details of the redacted information- it already has been printed in full. The redacted elements are the names of his accusers, women who were brave enough to come forward to the police and stood in court testifying, in the belief that they were under protection of the law and what they’d said and their names, would not be published nor used for their vilification by the defendant in what looks very much like a vendetta. THAT’S why the Crown Office redacted information.
This is factually incorrect!
The testimony does not identify the accusers, Salmond has never said he wishes to identify them.
Lady Dorrians ruling is quite clear, and paved the way for the testimony to published, which in turn lead to the Parliament Corporate Body changing their ruling that the testimony could not be published
After being published on scot.gov it was quickly removed by the Crown office on the advice of the Lord Advocate.
The redacted parts have nothing whatsoever to do with the identification of the accusers.
Yes it does. They are entitled to anonymity."
There are ways to have those redacted parts seen without compromising anonymity. It's not actually that hard to keep someone anonymous whilst actually showing the truth. |
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"That should be ‘alleged’ as it’s from Salmond’s accusation.
In order to contend his position he wishes to reference at least some of the women’s’ details. Without full publication, he cannot."
this, once again, is false representation of the facts.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I really do not understand whats going on tbh but it seems strange that parliament can censor his statement how is that possible? "
Seems to me the whole think is set up for SNP dictatorship and if they get independance no democracy there!!!
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It's all very convoluted and depends very much on which side of the political spectrum you fall.
There's been a brewing internal civil war within the SNP for a while.
This raised its head with the Salmond sexual assault accusations.
It appears that in order to get at the First Minister, the Unionist lobby are throwing their weight behind Salmond.
His evidence was first published in January by the Spectator and more recently, after some pressure, by the Scottish Government who then withdrew it due to a legal objection before republishing a redacted version.
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"I really do not understand whats going on tbh but it seems strange that parliament can censor his statement how is that possible? Seems to me the whole think is set up for SNP dictatorship and if they get independance no democracy there!!!"
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By *AM2214Man
over a year ago
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Wee Nikki has many skeletons in her closet... I studied with her and whilst passionate about an Independent Scotland, she remained oblivious to any input from very reasonable fellow students... No doubt we will see the re-emergence of the wee notes about the artoon of her as Dominatrix that hangs in her home... As some sort of spin...the problem with one trick pony parties is simple...their bubble bursts at some point... SNP stood in a tent before Battle of El Alamein urging Scots soldiers not to fight for their English masters.......glad to say the 51st Highland Div fought through Africa Sicily Italy and Normandy to Bremer haven... To maintain the right of silly people to say silly things... |
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I read a very interesting article this morning by Andrew Neil.
You know the bloke, the one all the lefties were praising during the run up to the last GE.
Apparently he thinks under the SNP, Scotland is becoming a Banana Republic without the bananas.! Lol |
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"I read a very interesting article this morning by Andrew Neil.
You know the bloke, the one all the lefties were praising during the run up to the last GE.
Apparently he thinks under the SNP, Scotland is becoming a Banana Republic without the bananas.! Lol"
Where they? |
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"Wee Nikki has many skeletons in her closet... I studied with her and whilst passionate about an Independent Scotland, she remained oblivious to any input from very reasonable fellow students... No doubt we will see the re-emergence of the wee notes about the artoon of her as Dominatrix that hangs in her home... As some sort of spin...the problem with one trick pony parties is simple...their bubble bursts at some point... SNP stood in a tent before Battle of El Alamein urging Scots soldiers not to fight for their English masters.......glad to say the 51st Highland Div fought through Africa Sicily Italy and Normandy to Bremer haven... To maintain the right of silly people to say silly things..."
My testosterone levels were raised reading the last paragraph. |
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By *AM2214Man
over a year ago
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"I read a very interesting article this morning by Andrew Neil.
You know the bloke, the one all the lefties were praising during the run up to the last GE.
Apparently he thinks under the SNP, Scotland is becoming a Banana Republic without the bananas.! Lol"
a shrewd Man indeed. |
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By *AM2214Man
over a year ago
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"Wee Nikki has many skeletons in her closet... I studied with her and whilst passionate about an Independent Scotland, she remained oblivious to any input from very reasonable fellow students... No doubt we will see the re-emergence of the wee notes about the artoon of her as Dominatrix that hangs in her home... As some sort of spin...the problem with one trick pony parties is simple...their bubble bursts at some point... SNP stood in a tent before Battle of El Alamein urging Scots soldiers not to fight for their English masters.......glad to say the 51st Highland Div fought through Africa Sicily Italy and Normandy to Bremer haven... To maintain the right of silly people to say silly things...
My testosterone levels were raised reading the last paragraph. "
... Why? |
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"I read a very interesting article this morning by Andrew Neil.
You know the bloke, the one all the lefties were praising during the run up to the last GE.
Apparently he thinks under the SNP, Scotland is becoming a Banana Republic without the bananas.! Lola shrewd Man indeed. "
Obvs. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Nationalistic patronising aside, it's not difficult to understand exactly what the situation is in Scotland at the moment. It's all out there, warts and all...take your pick of sources....
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I see your game did get called off in the end mate bad luck. |
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"Nationalistic patronising aside, it's not difficult to understand exactly what the situation is in Scotland at the moment. It's all out there, warts and all...take your pick of sources....
I see your game did get called off in the end mate bad luck."
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"Interesting that the main voice here is of England. I haven’t read any of those with a real understanding of the situation in Scotland. "
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"Many passionate Scots live in England...it will be interesting to see the imminent census results as they are supposedly asking people to break down their 'Britishness'...
How do you do that?
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how do you do that? Sorry can't shake it off lol |
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"Many passionate Scots live in England...it will be interesting to see the imminent census results as they are supposedly asking people to break down their 'Britishness'...
How do you do that?
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Individual questions 10, 13 and 14
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I read a very interesting article this morning by Andrew Neil.
You know the bloke, the one all the lefties were praising during the run up to the last GE.
Apparently he thinks under the SNP, Scotland is becoming a Banana Republic without the bananas.! Lol"
He is right |
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"Interesting that the main voice here is of England. I haven’t read any of those with a real understanding of the situation in Scotland. says someone in England.  "
Ah, no. Wrong Christchurch.
Reason I’ve said that is that posts seem to be about personal opinions rather than an understanding of facts and what is actually happening and why. Sound more like certain newspapers’ ‘take’ and half or zero truths. |
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over a year ago
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"Interesting that the main voice here is of England. I haven’t read any of those with a real understanding of the situation in Scotland. says someone in England.
Ah, no. Wrong Christchurch.
Reason I’ve said that is that posts seem to be about personal opinions rather than an understanding of facts and what is actually happening and why. Sound more like certain newspapers’ ‘take’ and half or zero truths."
Ah right so the news on tv is wrong then what is actually happening? |
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"Why has it been possible for The Spectator to publish in the public domain the Salmond evidence, without paragraphs 12,13, 16,17 and 30 being totally redacted?"
Spectator is published in England, therefore a different legal jurisdiction.
It can happen otherway around. There's been cases where celebrities have injunction and not published South but named in Scotland |
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Followers of the story, or anyone interested, can watch Salmond being questioned by the Holyrood Committee on the Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints today at 12.30 - scottishparliament.tv
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"Followers of the story, or anyone interested, can watch Salmond being questioned by the Holyrood Committee on the Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints today at 12.30 - scottishparliament.tv
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A powerful opening statement from Salmond.
I've said it before, in these forums, that if Sturgeon has misled our Parliament, she will have to resign. Not to do so would make her no better than the Tory hypocrites that currently run the UK government.
It's been interesting to see how the usual suspects in here seem to have very much changed their tune on Alex's credibility, now that he's attacking the government he used to lead.
Not so long ago, they were condemning him as a sex pest, prior to his acquittal. Before that, he was a Kremlin stooge, when he was on Russia Today. Before that, a madman set on breaking up the UK (he's not changed his mind on independence for Scotland, btw - he's just said so).
Yet now, they claim he's definitely telling the truth and there is no doubting his credibility? Maybe he is.
Or maybe he's having a tantrum because he can't bear the thought of anyone else but him leading Scotland to independence, after all that hard work he put in?
Either way, we'll find out soon enough.
If our institutions need sorting out - and, frankly, I think they do - then we'll sort them and move on.
It's also interesting that the one thing all the Unionists and Sturgeon haters can't seem to grasp is that this entire affair will have no effect on the Scots who want independence.
When it's all over, we're still going to vote SNP because they are the only Party in the UK offering us any prospect at all of escape from the rule of the likes of Boris (100,000+ unnecessary deaths and counting) and his kind.
If the SNP stables need cleaned out - and they clearly do - great; get it done. I'm all for having politicians who aren't corrupt and incompetent.
Which is more than can be said for your average Tory voter. LOL |
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"Followers of the story, or anyone interested, can watch Salmond being questioned by the Holyrood Committee on the Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints today at 12.30 - scottishparliament.tv
A powerful opening statement from Salmond.
I've said it before, in these forums, that if Sturgeon has misled our Parliament, she will have to resign. Not to do so would make her no better than the Tory hypocrites that currently run the UK government.
It's been interesting to see how the usual suspects in here seem to have very much changed their tune on Alex's credibility, now that he's attacking the government he used to lead.
Not so long ago, they were condemning him as a sex pest, prior to his acquittal. Before that, he was a Kremlin stooge, when he was on Russia Today. Before that, a madman set on breaking up the UK (he's not changed his mind on independence for Scotland, btw - he's just said so).
Yet now, they claim he's definitely telling the truth and there is no doubting his credibility? Maybe he is.
Or maybe he's having a tantrum because he can't bear the thought of anyone else but him leading Scotland to independence, after all that hard work he put in?
Either way, we'll find out soon enough.
If our institutions need sorting out - and, frankly, I think they do - then we'll sort them and move on.
It's also interesting that the one thing all the Unionists and Sturgeon haters can't seem to grasp is that this entire affair will have no effect on the Scots who want independence.
When it's all over, we're still going to vote SNP because they are the only Party in the UK offering us any prospect at all of escape from the rule of the likes of Boris (100,000+ unnecessary deaths and counting) and his kind.
If the SNP stables need cleaned out - and they clearly do - great; get it done. I'm all for having politicians who aren't corrupt and incompetent.
Which is more than can be said for your average Tory voter. LOL"
Wee nicola isnt too popular in here with our resident tories
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Some people are obsessed with tories I'm sure they wank off drooling.... love and hate what a beautiful combination sending shivers up and down my spine... what have tories got to do with nicola and alex? lol |
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Per se this isn't a matter of liking or disliking one or the other of the SNP personalities.
It's worth getting past the party political element as it involves the more fundamental relationship between Parliament, Government and the Judiciary. |
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"Per se this isn't a matter of liking or disliking one or the other of the SNP personalities.
It's worth getting past the party political element as it involves the more fundamental relationship between Parliament, Government and the Judiciary."
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"Per se this isn't a matter of liking or disliking one or the other of the SNP personalities.
It's worth getting past the party political element as it involves the more fundamental relationship between Parliament, Government and the Judiciary."
Something has definitely gone up.
I'm sure the people living in scotland are probally a bit more clued into than us.
But if you dont think there is little anti nicola brigade,you aremt looking v hard. |
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"Per se this isn't a matter of liking or disliking one or the other of the SNP personalities.
It's worth getting past the party political element as it involves the more fundamental relationship between Parliament, Government and the Judiciary.
Something has definitely gone up.
I'm sure the people living in scotland are probally a bit more clued into than us.
But if you dont think there is little anti nicola brigade,you aremt looking v hard."
You don't need to be located north of the T*eed or Sark to be able to understand the events going on in Holyrood. |
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"No matter who said what and when I and all my family and just about everyone I know will still be voting snp
Which is absolutely your democratic right ."
It sure is and many in scotland see this as a total non story hyped up by the media to cause division but it won't work |
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By *k2nkCouple
over a year ago
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Nobody except the most fervent independence supporters see this as a non story. This is about establishing wether a government hid evidence,lied to the people and senior members of the government colluded to plot against their former leader.
Whatever the truth it needs to be established before the country can move forward.
This is the furthest thing you could possibly get from a non-story |
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"Nobody except the most fervent independence supporters see this as a non story. This is about establishing wether a government hid evidence,lied to the people and senior members of the government colluded to plot against their former leader.
Whatever the truth it needs to be established before the country can move forward.
This is the furthest thing you could possibly get from a non-story "
Exactly! If it was Boris and theresa may they'd be having a wank lol but Alex and nic and its a non story lol bias, blinkered, hypocritical ? Certainly not a fair assessment of the situation lol |
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"Nobody except the most fervent independence supporters see this as a non story. This is about establishing wether a government hid evidence,lied to the people and senior members of the government colluded to plot against their former leader.
Whatever the truth it needs to be established before the country can move forward.
This is the furthest thing you could possibly get from a non-story "
the only ones who hid evidence and encouraged women to make statements were the tory backed Scottish office lesley evans and Margaret mckinnon going to womens houses and begging them to make complaints against Alex salmond,those women were used by the scottish office just to smear him luckily all woman were not believed by a mostly women jury
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"Nobody except the most fervent independence supporters see this as a non story. This is about establishing wether a government hid evidence,lied to the people and senior members of the government colluded to plot against their former leader.
Whatever the truth it needs to be established before the country can move forward.
This is the furthest thing you could possibly get from a non-story the only ones who hid evidence and encouraged women to make statements were the tory backed Scottish office lesley evans and Margaret mckinnon going to womens houses and begging them to make complaints against Alex salmond,those women were used by the scottish office just to smear him luckily all woman were not believed by a mostly women jury
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But Alex isn't blaming them, why? He's blaming nic |
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"Nobody except the most fervent independence supporters see this as a non story. This is about establishing wether a government hid evidence,lied to the people and senior members of the government colluded to plot against their former leader.
Whatever the truth it needs to be established before the country can move forward.
This is the furthest thing you could possibly get from a non-story the only ones who hid evidence and encouraged women to make statements were the tory backed Scottish office lesley evans and Margaret mckinnon going to womens houses and begging them to make complaints against Alex salmond,those women were used by the scottish office just to smear him luckily all woman were not believed by a mostly women jury
But Alex isn't blaming them, why? He's blaming nic "
Have you watched it all ? |
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"Nobody except the most fervent independence supporters see this as a non story. This is about establishing wether a government hid evidence,lied to the people and senior members of the government colluded to plot against their former leader.
Whatever the truth it needs to be established before the country can move forward.
This is the furthest thing you could possibly get from a non-story the only ones who hid evidence and encouraged women to make statements were the tory backed Scottish office lesley evans and Margaret mckinnon going to womens houses and begging them to make complaints against Alex salmond,those women were used by the scottish office just to smear him luckily all woman were not believed by a mostly women jury
But Alex isn't blaming them, why? He's blaming nic
Have you watched it all ?"
have you? |
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"Nobody except the most fervent independence supporters see this as a non story. This is about establishing wether a government hid evidence,lied to the people and senior members of the government colluded to plot against their former leader.
Whatever the truth it needs to be established before the country can move forward.
This is the furthest thing you could possibly get from a non-story the only ones who hid evidence and encouraged women to make statements were the tory backed Scottish office lesley evans and Margaret mckinnon going to womens houses and begging them to make complaints against Alex salmond,those women were used by the scottish office just to smear him luckily all woman were not believed by a mostly women jury
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The Scottish office hasn't been in existence for over 20 years |
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"Nobody except the most fervent independence supporters see this as a non story. This is about establishing wether a government hid evidence,lied to the people and senior members of the government colluded to plot against their former leader.
Whatever the truth it needs to be established before the country can move forward.
This is the furthest thing you could possibly get from a non-story the only ones who hid evidence and encouraged women to make statements were the tory backed Scottish office lesley evans and Margaret mckinnon going to womens houses and begging them to make complaints against Alex salmond,those women were used by the scottish office just to smear him luckily all woman were not believed by a mostly women jury
But Alex isn't blaming them, why? He's blaming nic
Have you watched it all ?
have you? "
pls tell me when in his evidence he soley blames the first minister? |
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"Nobody except the most fervent independence supporters see this as a non story. This is about establishing wether a government hid evidence,lied to the people and senior members of the government colluded to plot against their former leader.
Whatever the truth it needs to be established before the country can move forward.
This is the furthest thing you could possibly get from a non-story the only ones who hid evidence and encouraged women to make statements were the tory backed Scottish office lesley evans and Margaret mckinnon going to womens houses and begging them to make complaints against Alex salmond,those women were used by the scottish office just to smear him luckily all woman were not believed by a mostly women jury
The Scottish office hasn't been in existence for over 20 years "
Should have said scottish civil service which is run by lesley evans |
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"Nobody except the most fervent independence supporters see this as a non story. This is about establishing wether a government hid evidence,lied to the people and senior members of the government colluded to plot against their former leader.
Whatever the truth it needs to be established before the country can move forward.
This is the furthest thing you could possibly get from a non-story the only ones who hid evidence and encouraged women to make statements were the tory backed Scottish office lesley evans and Margaret mckinnon going to womens houses and begging them to make complaints against Alex salmond,those women were used by the scottish office just to smear him luckily all woman were not believed by a mostly women jury
But Alex isn't blaming them, why? He's blaming nic
Have you watched it all ?
have you? pls tell me when in his evidence he soley blames the first minister?"
you didnt answer? just added another question!
however...i never said he did, im not going through it line by line! but its clear she has gone from friend to enemy, why?
in fact dont bother answering, lets wait until the end of the inquiry as your personal bias isnt really important to anyone but you! |
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"Nobody except the most fervent independence supporters see this as a non story. This is about establishing wether a government hid evidence,lied to the people and senior members of the government colluded to plot against their former leader.
Whatever the truth it needs to be established before the country can move forward.
This is the furthest thing you could possibly get from a non-story the only ones who hid evidence and encouraged women to make statements were the tory backed Scottish office lesley evans and Margaret mckinnon going to womens houses and begging them to make complaints against Alex salmond,those women were used by the scottish office just to smear him luckily all woman were not believed by a mostly women jury
The Scottish office hasn't been in existence for over 20 years
Should have said scottish civil service which is run by lesley evans"
Is this the same Leslie Evan's who is the principal policy adviser to the First Minister?
Salmond has already won against her, you should be asking why she's keeping her job for another 2 years? Maybe she knows too much? |
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