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"Answer lays here . . . “We have significant recruitment drives for local workers to come and harvest crops,” added Mr Newey. “It’s idealistic to think that because of Covid and the higher than usual unemployment rates that those people would come in and do that work." Just point out to you that since March 2020 there is a world pandemic. Travel is virtually at a standstill in every country." even if they could come, brexit is such that they couldn't get work permits | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion." Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? | |||
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"Answer lays here . . . “We have significant recruitment drives for local workers to come and harvest crops,” added Mr Newey. “It’s idealistic to think that because of Covid and the higher than usual unemployment rates that those people would come in and do that work." Just point out to you that since March 2020 there is a world pandemic. Travel is virtually at a standstill in every country." You can travel for work | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? " Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. | |||
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"Answer lays here . . . “We have significant recruitment drives for local workers to come and harvest crops,” added Mr Newey. “It’s idealistic to think that because of Covid and the higher than usual unemployment rates that those people would come in and do that work." Just point out to you that since March 2020 there is a world pandemic. Travel is virtually at a standstill in every country. even if they could come, brexit is such that they couldn't get work permits" A link to that proof please? Because seasonal work is actually covered. | |||
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"Answer lays here . . . “We have significant recruitment drives for local workers to come and harvest crops,” added Mr Newey. “It’s idealistic to think that because of Covid and the higher than usual unemployment rates that those people would come in and do that work." Just point out to you that since March 2020 there is a world pandemic. Travel is virtually at a standstill in every country. even if they could come, brexit is such that they couldn't get work permits A link to that proof please? Because seasonal work is actually covered." It's actually in the article A scheme to attract seasonal workers from other parts of the world does not currently include flower picking as part of its remit. But if you still need a link https://www.ft.com/content/e87bf45c-e1a6-4d8e-98f5-f0411820f48e https://www.ft.com/content/e87bf45c-e1a6-4d8e-98f5-f0411820f48e To make it even easier, this is the key section But unlike a previous version, the current seasonal scheme is aimed at food and does not include growers of ornamental plants. Tom Bradshaw, vice-president of the National Farmers’ Union, said the need for food security had been key to securing its expansion from the government. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits." Like I said, sounds like communism | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits." sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"  | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve" "Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain, | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain, "guess it's which one you talk to, but if you think the likes of Greese Smug gives a flying fudge about the poor, you'd be off your head. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain, "How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work? We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work"how can that be wrong ffs | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work"Work or starve?  | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Work or starve? "I'll work. You can starve if you please | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically workhow can that be wrong ffs "We live in a democratic civilised society, who decides if they are fit enough to pick fruit all day ? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically workhow can that be wrong ffs
We live in a democratic civilised society, who decides if they are fit enough to pick fruit all day ? "That's what medicals are for. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Work or starve?
I'll work. You can starve if you please "They are looking for daffodil pickers , get your name down | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Work or starve?
I'll work. You can starve if you please
They are looking for daffodil pickers , get your name down "I'm not on UC | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically workhow can that be wrong ffs
We live in a democratic civilised society, who decides if they are fit enough to pick fruit all day ?
That's what medicals are for."What Medicals? Do you have to have one to claim UC? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically workhow can that be wrong ffs
We live in a democratic civilised society, who decides if they are fit enough to pick fruit all day ?
That's what medicals are for.
What Medicals? Do you have to have one to claim
UC? "I have no idea but plenty of jobs require medicals | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work"Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically workhow can that be wrong ffs
We live in a democratic civilised society, who decides if they are fit enough to pick fruit all day ? "well if they are claiming they are looking for work they have decided already lol | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Work or starve?
I'll work. You can starve if you please
They are looking for daffodil pickers , get your name down
I'm not on UC"Have you been furloughed at all?? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned."There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Work or starve?
I'll work. You can starve if you please
They are looking for daffodil pickers , get your name down
I'm not on UC
Have you been furloughed at all?? "Nope. Self Employed | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically workhow can that be wrong ffs
We live in a democratic civilised society, who decides if they are fit enough to pick fruit all day ? well if they are claiming they are looking for work they have decided already lol"What? People have different physical abilities and skill sets, it amazes me that there are British jobs for British people to work for British companies and they can’t find anyone . | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Work or starve?
I'll work. You can starve if you please
They are looking for daffodil pickers , get your name down
I'm not on UC
Have you been furloughed at all??
Nope. Self Employed"So you haven’t claims any ‘benefits’ or ‘handouts’ since the pandemic started? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Work or starve?
I'll work. You can starve if you please
They are looking for daffodil pickers , get your name down
I'm not on UC
Have you been furloughed at all??
Nope. Self Employed
So you haven’t claims any ‘benefits’ or ‘handouts’ since the pandemic started? "There have been SEISS payments yes but I haven't applied | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed"yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill... | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill..."You missed 'people who can work' | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically workhow can that be wrong ffs
We live in a democratic civilised society, who decides if they are fit enough to pick fruit all day ? well if they are claiming they are looking for work they have decided already lol
What? People have different physical abilities and skill sets, it amazes me that there are British jobs for British people to work for British companies and they can’t find anyone . "like I said should look for north east young people there’s not a lot for that age group up here | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Work or starve?
I'll work. You can starve if you please
They are looking for daffodil pickers , get your name down
I'm not on UC
Have you been furloughed at all??
Nope. Self Employed
So you haven’t claims any ‘benefits’ or ‘handouts’ since the pandemic started?
There have been SEISS payments yes but I haven't applied"Do you think that people who have been furloughed should be forced to pick fruit | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Work or starve?
I'll work. You can starve if you please
They are looking for daffodil pickers , get your name down
I'm not on UC
Have you been furloughed at all??
Nope. Self Employed
So you haven’t claims any ‘benefits’ or ‘handouts’ since the pandemic started?
There have been SEISS payments yes but I haven't applied
Do you think that people who have been furloughed should be forced to pick fruit "They aren't on UC unless they are receiving top up so they wouldn't be 'looking for work' | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'"What does that mean? , anyone can work if they are given the right type of job | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Work or starve?
I'll work. You can starve if you please
They are looking for daffodil pickers , get your name down
I'm not on UC
Have you been furloughed at all??
Nope. Self Employed
So you haven’t claims any ‘benefits’ or ‘handouts’ since the pandemic started?
There have been SEISS payments yes but I haven't applied
Do you think that people who have been furloughed should be forced to pick fruit
They aren't on UC unless they are receiving top up so they wouldn't be 'looking for work'
"They are taking more money from the state than people on UC and are sat at home doing nothing | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
What does that mean? , anyone can work if they are given the right type of job "Clearly you miss the point. I've already said if it's physical they can take medicals | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
What does that mean? , anyone can work if they are given the right type of job
Clearly you miss the point. I've already said if it's physical they can take medicals"You are going to force people to take a medical? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'"and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Work or starve?
I'll work. You can starve if you please
They are looking for daffodil pickers , get your name down
I'm not on UC
Have you been furloughed at all??
Nope. Self Employed
So you haven’t claims any ‘benefits’ or ‘handouts’ since the pandemic started?
There have been SEISS payments yes but I haven't applied
Do you think that people who have been furloughed should be forced to pick fruit
They aren't on UC unless they are receiving top up so they wouldn't be 'looking for work'
They are taking more money from the state than people on UC and are sat at home doing nothing "During this time yes. Not in general they don't. Furlough is a temporary scheme, UC is not | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
What does that mean? , anyone can work if they are given the right type of job
Clearly you miss the point. I've already said if it's physical they can take medicals
You are going to force people to take a medical? "Take the medical or starve | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Work or starve?
I'll work. You can starve if you please
They are looking for daffodil pickers , get your name down
I'm not on UC
Have you been furloughed at all??
Nope. Self Employed
So you haven’t claims any ‘benefits’ or ‘handouts’ since the pandemic started?
There have been SEISS payments yes but I haven't applied
Do you think that people who have been furloughed should be forced to pick fruit
They aren't on UC unless they are receiving top up so they wouldn't be 'looking for work'
They are taking more money from the state than people on UC and are sat at home doing nothing
During this time yes. Not in general they don't. Furlough is a temporary scheme, UC is not"We should force people on furlough to pick fruit then? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
What does that mean? , anyone can work if they are given the right type of job
Clearly you miss the point. I've already said if it's physical they can take medicals
You are going to force people to take a medical?
Take the medical or starve"Communism | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience."Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
What does that mean? , anyone can work if they are given the right type of job
Clearly you miss the point. I've already said if it's physical they can take medicals
You are going to force people to take a medical?
Take the medical or starve
Communism "Not | |||
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"Anyway, I've got things to do. I'll maybe pick this up again in a bit." I don’t think you will,  | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created"in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco. They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway."What is a minimum cost operation? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway."BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals "And? Are you back already  | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
And? Are you back already "Haven't left yet. Well FFS, claims medicals would be carried out by Serco or the like. Apparently we already carry out medicals for certain claims. These are done by healthcare professionals. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals "You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP? Example questions (from Citizens Advice) The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport. They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own. They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long. Good luck in getting a fair hearing | |||
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"Before we fully integrated into the EU, a lot of seasonal workers would be Australian/NZ amongst others that would come over to travel and work. We also had shearers from those two countries that could shear in under a minute. Arguably the best at their job. We lost all of that unfortunately. So it's swings and roundabouts. It will in time open up again, for seasonal workers, whether from Europe or elsewhere. I also remember my local hospital recruiting nurses and more from the Philippines. If people want to come, they will. " only get a work permit if they have the points, flower pickers get nowt | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
And? Are you back already
Haven't left yet.
Well FFS, claims medicals would be carried out by Serco or the like. Apparently we already carry out medicals for certain claims. These are done by healthcare professionals.
"And? How many people are claiming UC in the UK? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing"As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals. It's not a new phenomenon | |||
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"Before we fully integrated into the EU, a lot of seasonal workers would be Australian/NZ amongst others that would come over to travel and work. We also had shearers from those two countries that could shear in under a minute. Arguably the best at their job. We lost all of that unfortunately. So it's swings and roundabouts. It will in time open up again, for seasonal workers, whether from Europe or elsewhere. I also remember my local hospital recruiting nurses and more from the Philippines. If people want to come, they will. only get a work permit if they have the points, flower pickers get nowt" Not if there's a shortage. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon "you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
And? Are you back already
Haven't left yet.
Well FFS, claims medicals would be carried out by Serco or the like. Apparently we already carry out medicals for certain claims. These are done by healthcare professionals.
And? How many people are claiming UC in the UK? "No idea. It's irrelevant. It can work if we want it to | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel."Like I keep saying, it’s worse than communism | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel."I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
And? Are you back already
Haven't left yet.
Well FFS, claims medicals would be carried out by Serco or the like. Apparently we already carry out medicals for certain claims. These are done by healthcare professionals.
And? How many people are claiming UC in the UK?
No idea. It's irrelevant. It can work if we want it to"5.6 million, never going to work, never going to happen. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
And? Are you back already
Haven't left yet.
Well FFS, claims medicals would be carried out by Serco or the like. Apparently we already carry out medicals for certain claims. These are done by healthcare professionals.
And? How many people are claiming UC in the UK?
No idea. It's irrelevant. It can work if we want it to
5.6 million, never going to work, never going to happen. "Was that the figure before covid? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree"put yourself in the position of a single mother. She's single, not her fault. She's jobless not her fault. Do you want a system that aims to help and try and support you, or want to be at the mercy of someone who can sanction you at their whim? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
And? Are you back already
Haven't left yet.
Well FFS, claims medicals would be carried out by Serco or the like. Apparently we already carry out medicals for certain claims. These are done by healthcare professionals.
And? How many people are claiming UC in the UK?
No idea. It's irrelevant. It can work if we want it to
5.6 million, never going to work, never going to happen.
Was that the figure before covid?"Irrelevant | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree
put yourself in the position of a single mother.
She's single, not her fault.
She's jobless not her fault.
Do you want a system that aims to help and try and support you, or want to be at the mercy of someone who can sanction you at their whim?"That single mother can clearly only work if her child is at school and only at certain times. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
And? Are you back already
Haven't left yet.
Well FFS, claims medicals would be carried out by Serco or the like. Apparently we already carry out medicals for certain claims. These are done by healthcare professionals.
And? How many people are claiming UC in the UK?
No idea. It's irrelevant. It can work if we want it to
5.6 million, never going to work, never going to happen.
Was that the figure before covid?
Irrelevant "No it isnt, it's relevant because I'd like to know the usual figure. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
And? Are you back already
Haven't left yet.
Well FFS, claims medicals would be carried out by Serco or the like. Apparently we already carry out medicals for certain claims. These are done by healthcare professionals.
And? How many people are claiming UC in the UK?
No idea. It's irrelevant. It can work if we want it to
5.6 million, never going to work, never going to happen.
Was that the figure before covid?
Irrelevant
No it isnt, it's relevant because I'd like to know the usual figure."you have google I assume? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree"niether do I fantastic just loves to argue if you said they shouldn’t work he would ask why lol | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
And? Are you back already
Haven't left yet.
Well FFS, claims medicals would be carried out by Serco or the like. Apparently we already carry out medicals for certain claims. These are done by healthcare professionals.
And? How many people are claiming UC in the UK?
No idea. It's irrelevant. It can work if we want it to
5.6 million, never going to work, never going to happen.
Was that the figure before covid?
Irrelevant
No it isnt, it's relevant because I'd like to know the usual figure.
you have google I assume?"I found it. 2.4m since Covid-19 | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agreeniether do I fantastic just loves to argue if you said they shouldn’t work he would ask why lol"It's funny because yesterday he asked me why people can't travel from up north for these very jobs | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree
put yourself in the position of a single mother.
She's single, not her fault.
She's jobless not her fault.
Do you want a system that aims to help and try and support you, or want to be at the mercy of someone who can sanction you at their whim?
That single mother can clearly only work if her child is at school and only at certain times."so they can work for say minimum wage, for a few hours a week Yippeee And any noney she gets reduces her UC Can you see the problem yet? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
And? Are you back already
Haven't left yet.
Well FFS, claims medicals would be carried out by Serco or the like. Apparently we already carry out medicals for certain claims. These are done by healthcare professionals.
And? How many people are claiming UC in the UK?
No idea. It's irrelevant. It can work if we want it to
5.6 million, never going to work, never going to happen.
Was that the figure before covid?
Irrelevant
No it isnt, it's relevant because I'd like to know the usual figure."No idea, the the daffodils need picking now, not last year | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree
put yourself in the position of a single mother.
She's single, not her fault.
She's jobless not her fault.
Do you want a system that aims to help and try and support you, or want to be at the mercy of someone who can sanction you at their whim?
That single mother can clearly only work if her child is at school and only at certain times.
so they can work for say minimum wage, for a few hours a week
Yippeee
And any noney she gets reduces her UC
Can you see the problem yet?"Can't see the problem. What she earns is deducted from UC claim. She isn't out of pocket and the state save money. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agreeniether do I fantastic just loves to argue if you said they shouldn’t work he would ask why lol
It's funny because yesterday he asked me why people can't travel from up north for these very jobs "True, I didn’t suggest they should be forced to? You called the local workers lazy, I was pointing out it was a national not a local problem | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree
put yourself in the position of a single mother.
She's single, not her fault.
She's jobless not her fault.
Do you want a system that aims to help and try and support you, or want to be at the mercy of someone who can sanction you at their whim?
That single mother can clearly only work if her child is at school and only at certain times.
so they can work for say minimum wage, for a few hours a week
Yippeee
And any noney she gets reduces her UC
Can you see the problem yet?
Can't see the problem. What she earns is deducted from UC claim. She isn't out of pocket and the state save money."Communism | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree
put yourself in the position of a single mother.
She's single, not her fault.
She's jobless not her fault.
Do you want a system that aims to help and try and support you, or want to be at the mercy of someone who can sanction you at their whim?
That single mother can clearly only work if her child is at school and only at certain times.
so they can work for say minimum wage, for a few hours a week
Yippeee
And any noney she gets reduces her UC
Can you see the problem yet?
Can't see the problem. What she earns is deducted from UC claim. She isn't out of pocket and the state save money.
Communism "You can keep crying communism all you like but we both know communism is about much much more than just work and benefits | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agreeniether do I fantastic just loves to argue if you said they shouldn’t work he would ask why lol
It's funny because yesterday he asked me why people can't travel from up north for these very jobs
True, I didn’t suggest they should be forced to? You called the local workers lazy, I was pointing out it was a national not a local problem "id say was more local | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agreeniether do I fantastic just loves to argue if you said they shouldn’t work he would ask why lol
It's funny because yesterday he asked me why people can't travel from up north for these very jobs
True, I didn’t suggest they should be forced to? You called the local workers lazy, I was pointing out it was a national not a local problem id say was more local "How can you be sure? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree
put yourself in the position of a single mother.
She's single, not her fault.
She's jobless not her fault.
Do you want a system that aims to help and try and support you, or want to be at the mercy of someone who can sanction you at their whim?
That single mother can clearly only work if her child is at school and only at certain times.
so they can work for say minimum wage, for a few hours a week
Yippeee
And any noney she gets reduces her UC
Can you see the problem yet?
Can't see the problem. What she earns is deducted from UC claim. She isn't out of pocket and the state save money."No you can't see what the problem is, thats patently apparent She is now paying busfares to get to work, she has to get work clothes, boss changes her hours, she has to pay for child care, she works an extra hour, that comes out of the UC etc etc Meanwhile the likes of Grees Smugg can run millions into offshore accounts and avoid tax. Yeah, thats fair. Why don't you just be honest and advocate for poor houses? She's out of pocket. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree
put yourself in the position of a single mother.
She's single, not her fault.
She's jobless not her fault.
Do you want a system that aims to help and try and support you, or want to be at the mercy of someone who can sanction you at their whim?
That single mother can clearly only work if her child is at school and only at certain times.
so they can work for say minimum wage, for a few hours a week
Yippeee
And any noney she gets reduces her UC
Can you see the problem yet?
Can't see the problem. What she earns is deducted from UC claim. She isn't out of pocket and the state save money.
Communism
You can keep crying communism all you like but we both know communism is about much much more than just work and benefits"You are forcing people to work, communism | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree
put yourself in the position of a single mother.
She's single, not her fault.
She's jobless not her fault.
Do you want a system that aims to help and try and support you, or want to be at the mercy of someone who can sanction you at their whim?
That single mother can clearly only work if her child is at school and only at certain times.
so they can work for say minimum wage, for a few hours a week
Yippeee
And any noney she gets reduces her UC
Can you see the problem yet?
Can't see the problem. What she earns is deducted from UC claim. She isn't out of pocket and the state save money.
No you can't see what the problem is, thats patently apparent
She is now paying busfares to get to work, she has to get work clothes, boss changes her hours, she has to pay for child care, she works an extra hour, that comes out of the UC etc etc
Meanwhile the likes of Grees Smugg can run millions into offshore accounts and avoid tax.
Yeah, thats fair.
Why don't you just be honest and advocate for poor houses?
She's out of pocket.
"You assumed I'm talking about gross earnings. I never said anything about that. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree
put yourself in the position of a single mother.
She's single, not her fault.
She's jobless not her fault.
Do you want a system that aims to help and try and support you, or want to be at the mercy of someone who can sanction you at their whim?
That single mother can clearly only work if her child is at school and only at certain times.
so they can work for say minimum wage, for a few hours a week
Yippeee
And any noney she gets reduces her UC
Can you see the problem yet?
Can't see the problem. What she earns is deducted from UC claim. She isn't out of pocket and the state save money.
Communism
You can keep crying communism all you like but we both know communism is about much much more than just work and benefits
You are forcing people to work, communism "One aspect. And I'm only forcing people who can work. Sometimes I wonder if you can read or not | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree
put yourself in the position of a single mother.
She's single, not her fault.
She's jobless not her fault.
Do you want a system that aims to help and try and support you, or want to be at the mercy of someone who can sanction you at their whim?
That single mother can clearly only work if her child is at school and only at certain times.
so they can work for say minimum wage, for a few hours a week
Yippeee
And any noney she gets reduces her UC
Can you see the problem yet?
Can't see the problem. What she earns is deducted from UC claim. She isn't out of pocket and the state save money.
No you can't see what the problem is, thats patently apparent
She is now paying busfares to get to work, she has to get work clothes, boss changes her hours, she has to pay for child care, she works an extra hour, that comes out of the UC etc etc
Meanwhile the likes of Grees Smugg can run millions into offshore accounts and avoid tax.
Yeah, thats fair.
Why don't you just be honest and advocate for poor houses?
She's out of pocket.
"ot is shite for single mams like it’s hardly worth working unless they have a council house the rent on a private house is almost half there wage it needs looking at single mams have always been fucked over tho | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree
put yourself in the position of a single mother.
She's single, not her fault.
She's jobless not her fault.
Do you want a system that aims to help and try and support you, or want to be at the mercy of someone who can sanction you at their whim?
That single mother can clearly only work if her child is at school and only at certain times.
so they can work for say minimum wage, for a few hours a week
Yippeee
And any noney she gets reduces her UC
Can you see the problem yet?
Can't see the problem. What she earns is deducted from UC claim. She isn't out of pocket and the state save money.
Communism
You can keep crying communism all you like but we both know communism is about much much more than just work and benefits
You are forcing people to work, communism
One aspect. And I'm only forcing people who can work. Sometimes I wonder if you can read or not"You said ‘work or starve’ , | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree
put yourself in the position of a single mother.
She's single, not her fault.
She's jobless not her fault.
Do you want a system that aims to help and try and support you, or want to be at the mercy of someone who can sanction you at their whim?
That single mother can clearly only work if her child is at school and only at certain times.
so they can work for say minimum wage, for a few hours a week
Yippeee
And any noney she gets reduces her UC
Can you see the problem yet?
Can't see the problem. What she earns is deducted from UC claim. She isn't out of pocket and the state save money.
No you can't see what the problem is, thats patently apparent
She is now paying busfares to get to work, she has to get work clothes, boss changes her hours, she has to pay for child care, she works an extra hour, that comes out of the UC etc etc
Meanwhile the likes of Grees Smugg can run millions into offshore accounts and avoid tax.
Yeah, thats fair.
Why don't you just be honest and advocate for poor houses?
She's out of pocket.
You assumed I'm talking about gross earnings. I never said anything about that. "Her payments are fixed If she gets money from work, her UC goes down Explain where her additional costs get paid frpm? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree
put yourself in the position of a single mother.
She's single, not her fault.
She's jobless not her fault.
Do you want a system that aims to help and try and support you, or want to be at the mercy of someone who can sanction you at their whim?
That single mother can clearly only work if her child is at school and only at certain times.
so they can work for say minimum wage, for a few hours a week
Yippeee
And any noney she gets reduces her UC
Can you see the problem yet?
Can't see the problem. What she earns is deducted from UC claim. She isn't out of pocket and the state save money.
No you can't see what the problem is, thats patently apparent
She is now paying busfares to get to work, she has to get work clothes, boss changes her hours, she has to pay for child care, she works an extra hour, that comes out of the UC etc etc
Meanwhile the likes of Grees Smugg can run millions into offshore accounts and avoid tax.
Yeah, thats fair.
Why don't you just be honest and advocate for poor houses?
She's out of pocket.
ot is shite for single mams like it’s hardly worth working unless they have a council house the rent on a private house is almost half there wage it needs looking at single mams have always been fucked over tho "not going to argue with that last point  | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon "Tories gonna tory. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory."Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands "I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co? | |||
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"700 workers to pick 500 million stems? Wow, that’s a lot of stems per worker, it’ll take years! " 1 stem every second, on an 8 hour day 29,000 a day 200,000 a week X 700 workers 141 million a week Not the long | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?"JRM would definitely endorse shortsndshorters communist proposals and try and make himself and his friends richer in the process . Brexit Britain | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree
put yourself in the position of a single mother.
She's single, not her fault.
She's jobless not her fault.
Do you want a system that aims to help and try and support you, or want to be at the mercy of someone who can sanction you at their whim?
That single mother can clearly only work if her child is at school and only at certain times.
so they can work for say minimum wage, for a few hours a week
Yippeee
And any noney she gets reduces her UC
Can you see the problem yet?
Can't see the problem. What she earns is deducted from UC claim. She isn't out of pocket and the state save money.
Communism
You can keep crying communism all you like but we both know communism is about much much more than just work and benefits
You are forcing people to work, communism
One aspect. And I'm only forcing people who can work. Sometimes I wonder if you can read or not
You said ‘work or starve’ , "I've already pointed this out but again. 'People who can' | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree
put yourself in the position of a single mother.
She's single, not her fault.
She's jobless not her fault.
Do you want a system that aims to help and try and support you, or want to be at the mercy of someone who can sanction you at their whim?
That single mother can clearly only work if her child is at school and only at certain times.
so they can work for say minimum wage, for a few hours a week
Yippeee
And any noney she gets reduces her UC
Can you see the problem yet?
Can't see the problem. What she earns is deducted from UC claim. She isn't out of pocket and the state save money.
No you can't see what the problem is, thats patently apparent
She is now paying busfares to get to work, she has to get work clothes, boss changes her hours, she has to pay for child care, she works an extra hour, that comes out of the UC etc etc
Meanwhile the likes of Grees Smugg can run millions into offshore accounts and avoid tax.
Yeah, thats fair.
Why don't you just be honest and advocate for poor houses?
She's out of pocket.
You assumed I'm talking about gross earnings. I never said anything about that.
Her payments are fixed
If she gets money from work, her UC goes down
Explain where her additional costs get paid frpm?"If we work it on net earnings, the adjustments can be made from those. | |||
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"Lincolnshire daffodils are getting picked but the chief grower has said that the days of £1 supermarket bunches are soon to be over. " I'm sure there will be florists up and down the country who will welcome that news! | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?"I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money. | |||
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"Lincolnshire daffodils are getting picked but the chief grower has said that the days of £1 supermarket bunches are soon to be over. I'm sure there will be florists up and down the country who will welcome that news! " And that, I welcome. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree
put yourself in the position of a single mother.
She's single, not her fault.
She's jobless not her fault.
Do you want a system that aims to help and try and support you, or want to be at the mercy of someone who can sanction you at their whim?
That single mother can clearly only work if her child is at school and only at certain times.
so they can work for say minimum wage, for a few hours a week
Yippeee
And any noney she gets reduces her UC
Can you see the problem yet?
Can't see the problem. What she earns is deducted from UC claim. She isn't out of pocket and the state save money.
Communism
You can keep crying communism all you like but we both know communism is about much much more than just work and benefits
You are forcing people to work, communism
One aspect. And I'm only forcing people who can work. Sometimes I wonder if you can read or not
You said ‘work or starve’ ,
I've already pointed this out but again. 'People who can'"Your now backpedaling like a clown on a unicycle , it’s a harsh, cruel proposal that will never happen . | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?"You do realise you don't vote for Rees-Mogg & co. But for a local MP | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money."Lols | |||
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"Lincolnshire daffodils are getting picked but the chief grower has said that the days of £1 supermarket bunches are soon to be over. I'm sure there will be florists up and down the country who will welcome that news! " Why? Do they only sell British daffodils? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
you are just desperate to explain away a system that is cruel.
I personally don't think the suggestion is cruel. If you feel it is then that's cool. We don't need to agree
put yourself in the position of a single mother.
She's single, not her fault.
She's jobless not her fault.
Do you want a system that aims to help and try and support you, or want to be at the mercy of someone who can sanction you at their whim?
That single mother can clearly only work if her child is at school and only at certain times.
so they can work for say minimum wage, for a few hours a week
Yippeee
And any noney she gets reduces her UC
Can you see the problem yet?
Can't see the problem. What she earns is deducted from UC claim. She isn't out of pocket and the state save money.
Communism
You can keep crying communism all you like but we both know communism is about much much more than just work and benefits
You are forcing people to work, communism
One aspect. And I'm only forcing people who can work. Sometimes I wonder if you can read or not
You said ‘work or starve’ ,
I've already pointed this out but again. 'People who can'
Your now backpedaling like a clown on a unicycle , it’s a harsh, cruel proposal that will never happen . "I'm not back peddling at all. I said it in my very first statement | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money."Was that in the last Tory manifesto? | |||
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"Sounds like the locals need to toughen up a bit jeez" Enforced labour camps?? | |||
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"Lincolnshire daffodils are getting picked but the chief grower has said that the days of £1 supermarket bunches are soon to be over. I'm sure there will be florists up and down the country who will welcome that news! Why? Do they only sell British daffodils? " No, they don't. They sell other flowers too as do the supermarkets. Maybe you remember the discussion yesterday about supermarkets? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto? "Did you read it? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?"Yeah, cracking read, did you ? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ? "I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember. Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings | |||
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"Lincolnshire daffodils are getting picked but the chief grower has said that the days of £1 supermarket bunches are soon to be over. I'm sure there will be florists up and down the country who will welcome that news! Why? Do they only sell British daffodils? No, they don't. They sell other flowers too as do the supermarkets. Maybe you remember the discussion yesterday about supermarkets? " Ah, Where do they get all their flowers from, some are amazing | |||
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"Lincolnshire daffodils are getting picked but the chief grower has said that the days of £1 supermarket bunches are soon to be over. I'm sure there will be florists up and down the country who will welcome that news! " Why do they have a cheaper supply route?? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings"You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it "Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime "Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy "There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy
There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK?"No, I think it is inadequate, are you happy with tax system in this country? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy
There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK?
No, I think it is inadequate, are you happy with tax system in this country? "You think we should pay more benefits? You mean higher amounts to those who need it or pay more people? | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy
There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK?
No, I think it is inadequate, are you happy with tax system in this country? "And btw, I said benefits culture, not benefits system  | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy
There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK?
No, I think it is inadequate, are you happy with tax system in this country?
And btw, I said benefits culture, not benefits system "So you did, what is the ‘benefit culture ‘ in this country? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy
There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK?
No, I think it is inadequate, are you happy with tax system in this country? "If you want more money mate go out and get a job. | |||
Reply privately (closed, thread got too big) | |||
"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy
There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK?
No, I think it is inadequate, are you happy with tax system in this country?
And btw, I said benefits culture, not benefits system
So you did, what is the ‘benefit culture ‘ in this country? "You don't think there is one? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy
There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK?
No, I think it is inadequate, are you happy with tax system in this country? If you want more money mate go out and get a job. "I don’t need to thanks. I am very lucky , I have never claimed benefits in my life | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy
There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK?
No, I think it is inadequate, are you happy with tax system in this country?
And btw, I said benefits culture, not benefits system
So you did, what is the ‘benefit culture ‘ in this country?
You don't think there is one?"No, but I bet you have your own perception of one ? | |||
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"Lincolnshire daffodils are getting picked but the chief grower has said that the days of £1 supermarket bunches are soon to be over. I'm sure there will be florists up and down the country who will welcome that news! Why do they have a cheaper supply route?? " Very often, better quality. Usually last longer than the supermarkets too. That goes for all flowers. But they can't compete on price, like the greengrocer, bakery, fishmonger etc, etc. Back to yesterday's discussion. | |||
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"Lincolnshire daffodils are getting picked but the chief grower has said that the days of £1 supermarket bunches are soon to be over. I'm sure there will be florists up and down the country who will welcome that news! Why do they have a cheaper supply route?? Very often, better quality. Usually last longer than the supermarkets too. That goes for all flowers. But they can't compete on price, like the greengrocer, bakery, fishmonger etc, etc. Back to yesterday's discussion. " Business have to adapt to survive, I keep hearing that on the forums | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy
There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK?
No, I think it is inadequate, are you happy with tax system in this country?
And btw, I said benefits culture, not benefits system
So you did, what is the ‘benefit culture ‘ in this country?
You don't think there is one?
No, but I bet you have your own perception of one ? "You dont know at least one person or family who has never worked? I personally know a fair few. | |||
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"Lincolnshire daffodils are getting picked but the chief grower has said that the days of £1 supermarket bunches are soon to be over. I'm sure there will be florists up and down the country who will welcome that news! Why do they have a cheaper supply route?? Very often, better quality. Usually last longer than the supermarkets too. That goes for all flowers. But they can't compete on price, like the greengrocer, bakery, fishmonger etc, etc. Back to yesterday's discussion. Business have to adapt to survive, I keep hearing that on the forums " Of course they do, I never said they didn't. There is a lot a florist can offer that a supermarket doesn't. As can a baker, greengrocer etc, etc. Been done. You just enjoy being contrary. | |||
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"Sounds like the locals need to toughen up a bit jeez Enforced labour camps??" Uh? Fair days work for a fair days pay. When I was a boy I worked 12 or 14 hours a day in the cotton mills, Sunday mornings off for church. Best days for my life. | |||
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"Lincolnshire daffodils are getting picked but the chief grower has said that the days of £1 supermarket bunches are soon to be over. I'm sure there will be florists up and down the country who will welcome that news! Why do they have a cheaper supply route?? Very often, better quality. Usually last longer than the supermarkets too. That goes for all flowers. But they can't compete on price, like the greengrocer, bakery, fishmonger etc, etc. Back to yesterday's discussion. Business have to adapt to survive, I keep hearing that on the forums Of course they do, I never said they didn't. There is a lot a florist can offer that a supermarket doesn't. As can a baker, greengrocer etc, etc. Been done. You just enjoy being contrary." Then why is the end £1 bunches of daffodils a benefit to florists ? | |||
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"Sounds like the locals need to toughen up a bit jeez Enforced labour camps?? Uh? Fair days work for a fair days pay. When I was a boy I worked 12 or 14 hours a day in the cotton mills, Sunday mornings off for church. Best days for my life. "Are you in your 90s Chris? | |||
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"Lincolnshire daffodils are getting picked but the chief grower has said that the days of £1 supermarket bunches are soon to be over. I'm sure there will be florists up and down the country who will welcome that news! Why do they have a cheaper supply route?? Very often, better quality. Usually last longer than the supermarkets too. That goes for all flowers. But they can't compete on price, like the greengrocer, bakery, fishmonger etc, etc. Back to yesterday's discussion. Business have to adapt to survive, I keep hearing that on the forums Of course they do, I never said they didn't. There is a lot a florist can offer that a supermarket doesn't. As can a baker, greengrocer etc, etc. Been done. You just enjoy being contrary. Then why is the end £1 bunches of daffodils a benefit to florists ? " Do you need a babysitter? Work it for yourself. End of game. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy
There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK?
No, I think it is inadequate, are you happy with tax system in this country?
And btw, I said benefits culture, not benefits system
So you did, what is the ‘benefit culture ‘ in this country?
You don't think there is one?
No, but I bet you have your own perception of one ?
You dont know at least one person or family who has never worked? I personally know a fair few."Really, whatever does this mean ? | |||
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"Don't the farmers get a say in this? A worker isn't just a numbers game here. They need people capable of doing the job. This is outdoor, physical labour. Bending and picking repeatedly. You're going to send them anyone? If I was a farmer I'd only be looking for people fit enough and also with the right attitude. The wrong person there upsets the team. I consider myself relatively fit and healthy but at 46 and with a back that creaks first thing in the morning, I would object to being forced to do a job involving bending and stretching all day. You say the people are asessed by professionals but Stephen Smith in Liverpool was ruled fit to work by these people before he starved to death." That's a sad story but Stephen Smith did not starve to death. He had numerous severe ailments | |||
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"Lincolnshire daffodils are getting picked but the chief grower has said that the days of £1 supermarket bunches are soon to be over. I'm sure there will be florists up and down the country who will welcome that news! Why do they have a cheaper supply route?? Very often, better quality. Usually last longer than the supermarkets too. That goes for all flowers. But they can't compete on price, like the greengrocer, bakery, fishmonger etc, etc. Back to yesterday's discussion. Business have to adapt to survive, I keep hearing that on the forums Of course they do, I never said they didn't. There is a lot a florist can offer that a supermarket doesn't. As can a baker, greengrocer etc, etc. Been done. You just enjoy being contrary. Then why is the end £1 bunches of daffodils a benefit to florists ? Do you need a babysitter? Work it for yourself. End of game. " Explain? There are to many florist in this country, they are everywhere, adapt to survive, | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy
There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK?
No, I think it is inadequate, are you happy with tax system in this country?
And btw, I said benefits culture, not benefits system
So you did, what is the ‘benefit culture ‘ in this country?
You don't think there is one?
No, but I bet you have your own perception of one ?
You dont know at least one person or family who has never worked? I personally know a fair few.
Really, whatever does this mean ? "It means if I know a few, we can hazard a guess at some of the rest of the population knowing let's say at least one. That equals a fair number creating a culture. Maybe you should have a read on these things. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion." Massive commie Marxist idea right there. | |||
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"Don't the farmers get a say in this? A worker isn't just a numbers game here. They need people capable of doing the job. This is outdoor, physical labour. Bending and picking repeatedly. You're going to send them anyone? If I was a farmer I'd only be looking for people fit enough and also with the right attitude. The wrong person there upsets the team. I consider myself relatively fit and healthy but at 46 and with a back that creaks first thing in the morning, I would object to being forced to do a job involving bending and stretching all day. You say the people are asessed by professionals but Stephen Smith in Liverpool was ruled fit to work by these people before he starved to death." Yet apparently some expect the same age Romanian man or woman to do it instead. Ridiculous. And vaguely racist tbh. Sooner we stop with foreign seasonal workers who we are happy to treat like dirt the better. | |||
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"Even if people were allowed to travel from the EU to pick flowers during this pandemic, under current restrictions, where and how would they live? " Dont ask sensible questions. | |||
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"Even if people were allowed to travel from the EU to pick flowers during this pandemic, under current restrictions, where and how would they live? Dont ask sensible questions. "Sorry
Just pointing out that this is nothing to do with leaving the EU  | |||
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"Don't the farmers get a say in this? A worker isn't just a numbers game here. They need people capable of doing the job. This is outdoor, physical labour. Bending and picking repeatedly. You're going to send them anyone? If I was a farmer I'd only be looking for people fit enough and also with the right attitude. The wrong person there upsets the team. I consider myself relatively fit and healthy but at 46 and with a back that creaks first thing in the morning, I would object to being forced to do a job involving bending and stretching all day. You say the people are asessed by professionals but Stephen Smith in Liverpool was ruled fit to work by these people before he starved to death. Yet apparently some expect the same age Romanian man or woman to do it instead. Ridiculous. And vaguely racist tbh. Sooner we stop with foreign seasonal workers who we are happy to treat like dirt the better. No, I expect a Romanian man or woman who wants to be there to do it. Not forced labour. And I've reported you for calling me racist. " Have another read, I said "some expect" I didn't say anything about you  | |||
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"Don't the farmers get a say in this? A worker isn't just a numbers game here. They need people capable of doing the job. This is outdoor, physical labour. Bending and picking repeatedly. You're going to send them anyone? If I was a farmer I'd only be looking for people fit enough and also with the right attitude. The wrong person there upsets the team. I consider myself relatively fit and healthy but at 46 and with a back that creaks first thing in the morning, I would object to being forced to do a job involving bending and stretching all day. You say the people are asessed by professionals but Stephen Smith in Liverpool was ruled fit to work by these people before he starved to death. Yet apparently some expect the same age Romanian man or woman to do it instead. Ridiculous. And vaguely racist tbh. Sooner we stop with foreign seasonal workers who we are happy to treat like dirt the better. " We agree (for once ), but the issue will always be if we pay people the right amount to do the work, will the product be too expensive to buy? I am all for paying people properly, but it means not then buying stuff from overseas because it is a bit cheaper. It is probably time to start charging ‘food miles’ for items - but then we screw farmers in Africa. Complex problems all round. | |||
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"Don't the farmers get a say in this? A worker isn't just a numbers game here. They need people capable of doing the job. This is outdoor, physical labour. Bending and picking repeatedly. You're going to send them anyone? If I was a farmer I'd only be looking for people fit enough and also with the right attitude. The wrong person there upsets the team. I consider myself relatively fit and healthy but at 46 and with a back that creaks first thing in the morning, I would object to being forced to do a job involving bending and stretching all day. You say the people are asessed by professionals but Stephen Smith in Liverpool was ruled fit to work by these people before he starved to death. Yet apparently some expect the same age Romanian man or woman to do it instead. Ridiculous. And vaguely racist tbh. Sooner we stop with foreign seasonal workers who we are happy to treat like dirt the better. No, I expect a Romanian man or woman who wants to be there to do it. Not forced labour. And I've reported you for calling me racist. Have another read, I said "some expect" I didn't say anything about you "That was a little hasty and I've deleted my post. Apologies. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy
There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK?
No, I think it is inadequate, are you happy with tax system in this country?
And btw, I said benefits culture, not benefits system
So you did, what is the ‘benefit culture ‘ in this country?
You don't think there is one?
No, but I bet you have your own perception of one ?
You dont know at least one person or family who has never worked? I personally know a fair few.
Really, whatever does this mean ?
It means if I know a few, we can hazard a guess at some of the rest of the population knowing let's say at least one. That equals a fair number creating a culture.
Maybe you should have a read on these things. "Wow, I knew a man who had 6 fingers, there must be thousands in the UK | |||
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"Don't the farmers get a say in this? A worker isn't just a numbers game here. They need people capable of doing the job. This is outdoor, physical labour. Bending and picking repeatedly. You're going to send them anyone? If I was a farmer I'd only be looking for people fit enough and also with the right attitude. The wrong person there upsets the team. I consider myself relatively fit and healthy but at 46 and with a back that creaks first thing in the morning, I would object to being forced to do a job involving bending and stretching all day. You say the people are asessed by professionals but Stephen Smith in Liverpool was ruled fit to work by these people before he starved to death. Yet apparently some expect the same age Romanian man or woman to do it instead. Ridiculous. And vaguely racist tbh. Sooner we stop with foreign seasonal workers who we are happy to treat like dirt the better. We agree (for once ), but the issue will always be if we pay people the right amount to do the work, will the product be too expensive to buy? I am all for paying people properly, but it means not then buying stuff from overseas because it is a bit cheaper. It is probably time to start charging ‘food miles’ for items - but then we screw farmers in Africa. Complex problems all round."The EU screw farmers in Africa anyway. Germany and coffee production is a good example | |||
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"Don't the farmers get a say in this? A worker isn't just a numbers game here. They need people capable of doing the job. This is outdoor, physical labour. Bending and picking repeatedly. You're going to send them anyone? If I was a farmer I'd only be looking for people fit enough and also with the right attitude. The wrong person there upsets the team. I consider myself relatively fit and healthy but at 46 and with a back that creaks first thing in the morning, I would object to being forced to do a job involving bending and stretching all day. You say the people are asessed by professionals but Stephen Smith in Liverpool was ruled fit to work by these people before he starved to death. Yet apparently some expect the same age Romanian man or woman to do it instead. Ridiculous. And vaguely racist tbh. Sooner we stop with foreign seasonal workers who we are happy to treat like dirt the better. We agree (for once ), but the issue will always be if we pay people the right amount to do the work, will the product be too expensive to buy? I am all for paying people properly, but it means not then buying stuff from overseas because it is a bit cheaper. It is probably time to start charging ‘food miles’ for items - but then we screw farmers in Africa. Complex problems all round."It's ok I'm sure we won't agree on much else
I only recently noticed the £1 daffodil bunches at the supermarket. And we are all conscious now of paying the square root of bugger all for home shopping deliveries.
I've said in other threads this subcontracting out to "self employed" couriers, cheap seasonal workers etc etc is a matter long overdue for legislation. | |||
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"Lincolnshire daffodils are getting picked but the chief grower has said that the days of £1 supermarket bunches are soon to be over. I'm sure there will be florists up and down the country who will welcome that news! Why do they have a cheaper supply route?? Very often, better quality. Usually last longer than the supermarkets too. That goes for all flowers. But they can't compete on price, like the greengrocer, bakery, fishmonger etc, etc. Back to yesterday's discussion. " I by meat from a butcher I’ve known for years and know the farms he buys from. I avoid the super chill food route whenever possible . Market veg is invariably longer lasting If daffodils can’t be picked and prices rise you think the local florist will pick up a bargain? There are small growers but if Tesco want daffodils they will sweep up the market and squeeze out small buyers. Small growers will take the best offers when they can. Loyalty is one thing but money talks sadly. You local florist buying a few bunches a week or Tesco buying your whole crop. Decisions eh. | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy
There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK?
No, I think it is inadequate, are you happy with tax system in this country?
And btw, I said benefits culture, not benefits system
So you did, what is the ‘benefit culture ‘ in this country?
You don't think there is one?
No, but I bet you have your own perception of one ?
You dont know at least one person or family who has never worked? I personally know a fair few.
Really, whatever does this mean ?
It means if I know a few, we can hazard a guess at some of the rest of the population knowing let's say at least one. That equals a fair number creating a culture.
Maybe you should have a read on these things.
Wow, I knew a man who had 6 fingers, there must be thousands in the UK "There probably is. You can keep your head in the sand and deny it all you like, it doesn't mean it isn't there. | |||
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"Even if people were allowed to travel from the EU to pick flowers during this pandemic, under current restrictions, where and how would they live? " Probably in the caravan parks like a lot do. It brings winter revenue into holiday home parks . But tough luck on those parks to eh! We’re all allowed to work if it’s safe and it’s definitely safer outside. | |||
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"Even if people were allowed to travel from the EU to pick flowers during this pandemic, under current restrictions, where and how would they live? Probably in the caravan parks like a lot do. It brings winter revenue into holiday home parks . But tough luck on those parks to eh! We’re all allowed to work if it’s safe and it’s definitely safer outside. " I thought they were closed because of the pandemic? Who decides on your bubble? And who picks flowers in winter?  | |||
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"Don't the farmers get a say in this? A worker isn't just a numbers game here. They need people capable of doing the job. This is outdoor, physical labour. Bending and picking repeatedly. You're going to send them anyone? If I was a farmer I'd only be looking for people fit enough and also with the right attitude. The wrong person there upsets the team. I consider myself relatively fit and healthy but at 46 and with a back that creaks first thing in the morning, I would object to being forced to do a job involving bending and stretching all day. You say the people are asessed by professionals but Stephen Smith in Liverpool was ruled fit to work by these people before he starved to death. Yet apparently some expect the same age Romanian man or woman to do it instead. Ridiculous. And vaguely racist tbh. Sooner we stop with foreign seasonal workers who we are happy to treat like dirt the better. We agree (for once ), but the issue will always be if we pay people the right amount to do the work, will the product be too expensive to buy? I am all for paying people properly, but it means not then buying stuff from overseas because it is a bit cheaper. It is probably time to start charging ‘food miles’ for items - but then we screw farmers in Africa. Complex problems all round.
It's ok I'm sure we won't agree on much else
I only recently noticed the £1 daffodil bunches at the supermarket. And we are all conscious now of paying the square root of bugger all for home shopping deliveries.
I've said in other threads this subcontracting out to "self employed" couriers, cheap seasonal workers etc etc is a matter long overdue for legislation."But that will add costs!! Didn’t we leave the EU because Brexiteers wanted everything cheaper with the new super global deals? You know the forced Labour in China and sweat shops in Bangladesh! It’s all reduces our weekly shop. That’s what we were promised ! We’re going to be better off with reduced costs. We can’t have living wages getting in the way of empire can we? We certainly don’t want those pesky Eastern European’s being better off either! It’s like how guilty all those British oil workers feel in Saudi earning all that money and then coming home to poor England. Shameful. It needs stopping!! | |||
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"Even if people were allowed to travel from the EU to pick flowers during this pandemic, under current restrictions, where and how would they live? Probably in the caravan parks like a lot do. It brings winter revenue into holiday home parks . But tough luck on those parks to eh! We’re all allowed to work if it’s safe and it’s definitely safer outside. I thought they were closed because of the pandemic? Who decides on your bubble? And who picks flowers in winter? "Closed for holidaymakers like hotels but not workers as I said. Daffodils start being picked end of February so I think they do!! Or did I should say! | |||
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"Even if people were allowed to travel from the EU to pick flowers during this pandemic, under current restrictions, where and how would they live? Probably in the caravan parks like a lot do. It brings winter revenue into holiday home parks . But tough luck on those parks to eh! We’re all allowed to work if it’s safe and it’s definitely safer outside. I thought they were closed because of the pandemic? Who decides on your bubble? And who picks flowers in winter?
Closed for holidaymakers like hotels but not workers as I said.
Daffodils start being picked end of February so I think they do!! Or did I should say! "February til when? So which caravan parks are open? | |||
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"Even if people were allowed to travel from the EU to pick flowers during this pandemic, under current restrictions, where and how would they live? Probably in the caravan parks like a lot do. It brings winter revenue into holiday home parks . But tough luck on those parks to eh! We’re all allowed to work if it’s safe and it’s definitely safer outside. I thought they were closed because of the pandemic? Who decides on your bubble? And who picks flowers in winter?
Closed for holidaymakers like hotels but not workers as I said.
Daffodils start being picked end of February so I think they do!! Or did I should say!
February til when?
So which caravan parks are open? "May But don’t take my word for it. https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/features/places-to-see-daffodils The ones that want some revenue like the ones that used to open for the pickers in Lincolnshire. It’s a seasonal boost they “used” to have. Hotels are too expensive. I would think there’s tens of thousands of waiting caravans both in Cornwall and Lincolnshire | |||
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"Even if people were allowed to travel from the EU to pick flowers during this pandemic, under current restrictions, where and how would they live? Probably in the caravan parks like a lot do. It brings winter revenue into holiday home parks . But tough luck on those parks to eh! We’re all allowed to work if it’s safe and it’s definitely safer outside. I thought they were closed because of the pandemic? Who decides on your bubble? And who picks flowers in winter?
Closed for holidaymakers like hotels but not workers as I said.
Daffodils start being picked end of February so I think they do!! Or did I should say!
February til when?
So which caravan parks are open? "This particular farm has just been given permission to install 49 caravans for workers. But the wider question, I'd imagine a fair few are open for key workers | |||
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"Don't the farmers get a say in this? A worker isn't just a numbers game here. They need people capable of doing the job. This is outdoor, physical labour. Bending and picking repeatedly. You're going to send them anyone? If I was a farmer I'd only be looking for people fit enough and also with the right attitude. The wrong person there upsets the team. I consider myself relatively fit and healthy but at 46 and with a back that creaks first thing in the morning, I would object to being forced to do a job involving bending and stretching all day. You say the people are asessed by professionals but Stephen Smith in Liverpool was ruled fit to work by these people before he starved to death. Yet apparently some expect the same age Romanian man or woman to do it instead. Ridiculous. And vaguely racist tbh. Sooner we stop with foreign seasonal workers who we are happy to treat like dirt the better. We agree (for once ), but the issue will always be if we pay people the right amount to do the work, will the product be too expensive to buy? I am all for paying people properly, but it means not then buying stuff from overseas because it is a bit cheaper. It is probably time to start charging ‘food miles’ for items - but then we screw farmers in Africa. Complex problems all round.
It's ok I'm sure we won't agree on much else
I only recently noticed the £1 daffodil bunches at the supermarket. And we are all conscious now of paying the square root of bugger all for home shopping deliveries.
I've said in other threads this subcontracting out to "self employed" couriers, cheap seasonal workers etc etc is a matter long overdue for legislation.
But that will add costs!! Didn’t we leave the EU because Brexiteers wanted everything cheaper with the new super global deals? You know the forced Labour in China and sweat shops in Bangladesh! It’s all reduces our weekly shop.
That’s what we were promised ! We’re going to be better off with reduced costs.
We can’t have living wages getting in the way of empire can we?
We certainly don’t want those pesky Eastern European’s being better off either! It’s like how guilty all those British oil workers feel in Saudi earning all that money and then coming home to poor England. Shameful. It needs stopping!! "you mean the eu don’t do deals with China and banglesh sweat shops then lol | |||
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"Don't the farmers get a say in this? A worker isn't just a numbers game here. They need people capable of doing the job. This is outdoor, physical labour. Bending and picking repeatedly. You're going to send them anyone? If I was a farmer I'd only be looking for people fit enough and also with the right attitude. The wrong person there upsets the team. I consider myself relatively fit and healthy but at 46 and with a back that creaks first thing in the morning, I would object to being forced to do a job involving bending and stretching all day. You say the people are asessed by professionals but Stephen Smith in Liverpool was ruled fit to work by these people before he starved to death. Yet apparently some expect the same age Romanian man or woman to do it instead. Ridiculous. And vaguely racist tbh. Sooner we stop with foreign seasonal workers who we are happy to treat like dirt the better. We agree (for once ), but the issue will always be if we pay people the right amount to do the work, will the product be too expensive to buy? I am all for paying people properly, but it means not then buying stuff from overseas because it is a bit cheaper. It is probably time to start charging ‘food miles’ for items - but then we screw farmers in Africa. Complex problems all round.
It's ok I'm sure we won't agree on much else
I only recently noticed the £1 daffodil bunches at the supermarket. And we are all conscious now of paying the square root of bugger all for home shopping deliveries.
I've said in other threads this subcontracting out to "self employed" couriers, cheap seasonal workers etc etc is a matter long overdue for legislation.
But that will add costs!! Didn’t we leave the EU because Brexiteers wanted everything cheaper with the new super global deals? You know the forced Labour in China and sweat shops in Bangladesh! It’s all reduces our weekly shop.
That’s what we were promised ! We’re going to be better off with reduced costs.
We can’t have living wages getting in the way of empire can we?
We certainly don’t want those pesky Eastern European’s being better off either! It’s like how guilty all those British oil workers feel in Saudi earning all that money and then coming home to poor England. Shameful. It needs stopping!! you mean the eu don’t do deals with China and banglesh sweat shops then lol"Did I say that? I think you need to read my post again. Claims of us taking the higher moral ground we’re not made by me . | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy
There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK?
No, I think it is inadequate, are you happy with tax system in this country?
And btw, I said benefits culture, not benefits system
So you did, what is the ‘benefit culture ‘ in this country?
You don't think there is one?
No, but I bet you have your own perception of one ?
You dont know at least one person or family who has never worked? I personally know a fair few.
Really, whatever does this mean ?
It means if I know a few, we can hazard a guess at some of the rest of the population knowing let's say at least one. That equals a fair number creating a culture.
Maybe you should have a read on these things.
Wow, I knew a man who had 6 fingers, there must be thousands in the UK
There probably is.
You can keep your head in the sand and deny it all you like, it doesn't mean it isn't there."I know a ‘fair few’ families who are on UC, really nine people, hard working, always had a job, unfortunately became unemployed, had to claim benefits, whatever does this mean ? | |||
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"Don't the farmers get a say in this? A worker isn't just a numbers game here. They need people capable of doing the job. This is outdoor, physical labour. Bending and picking repeatedly. You're going to send them anyone? If I was a farmer I'd only be looking for people fit enough and also with the right attitude. The wrong person there upsets the team. I consider myself relatively fit and healthy but at 46 and with a back that creaks first thing in the morning, I would object to being forced to do a job involving bending and stretching all day. You say the people are asessed by professionals but Stephen Smith in Liverpool was ruled fit to work by these people before he starved to death. Yet apparently some expect the same age Romanian man or woman to do it instead. Ridiculous. And vaguely racist tbh. Sooner we stop with foreign seasonal workers who we are happy to treat like dirt the better. We agree (for once ), but the issue will always be if we pay people the right amount to do the work, will the product be too expensive to buy? I am all for paying people properly, but it means not then buying stuff from overseas because it is a bit cheaper. It is probably time to start charging ‘food miles’ for items - but then we screw farmers in Africa. Complex problems all round.
It's ok I'm sure we won't agree on much else
I only recently noticed the £1 daffodil bunches at the supermarket. And we are all conscious now of paying the square root of bugger all for home shopping deliveries.
I've said in other threads this subcontracting out to "self employed" couriers, cheap seasonal workers etc etc is a matter long overdue for legislation.
But that will add costs!! Didn’t we leave the EU because Brexiteers wanted everything cheaper with the new super global deals? You know the forced Labour in China and sweat shops in Bangladesh! It’s all reduces our weekly shop.
That’s what we were promised ! We’re going to be better off with reduced costs.
We can’t have living wages getting in the way of empire can we?
We certainly don’t want those pesky Eastern European’s being better off either! It’s like how guilty all those British oil workers feel in Saudi earning all that money and then coming home to poor England. Shameful. It needs stopping!! you mean the eu don’t do deals with China and banglesh sweat shops then lol
Did I say that? I think you need to read my post again.
Claims of us taking the higher moral ground we’re not made by me .
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"Lincolnshire daffodils are getting picked but the chief grower has said that the days of £1 supermarket bunches are soon to be over. I'm sure there will be florists up and down the country who will welcome that news! Why do they have a cheaper supply route?? Very often, better quality. Usually last longer than the supermarkets too. That goes for all flowers. But they can't compete on price, like the greengrocer, bakery, fishmonger etc, etc. Back to yesterday's discussion. Business have to adapt to survive, I keep hearing that on the forums Of course they do, I never said they didn't. There is a lot a florist can offer that a supermarket doesn't. As can a baker, greengrocer etc, etc. Been done. You just enjoy being contrary. Then why is the end £1 bunches of daffodils a benefit to florists ? Do you need a babysitter? Work it for yourself. End of game. " Why would someone who wanted to buy a £1 bunch of daffodils that will probable cost £2-3 from a supermarket decide to visit a florist and spend £10 on a bunch of flowers . They are a cheap impulse buy. No one is benefiting from higher costs but the consumer and the Daffodil farmers will suffer | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy
There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK?
No, I think it is inadequate, are you happy with tax system in this country?
And btw, I said benefits culture, not benefits system
So you did, what is the ‘benefit culture ‘ in this country?
You don't think there is one?
No, but I bet you have your own perception of one ?
You dont know at least one person or family who has never worked? I personally know a fair few.
Really, whatever does this mean ?
It means if I know a few, we can hazard a guess at some of the rest of the population knowing let's say at least one. That equals a fair number creating a culture.
Maybe you should have a read on these things.
Wow, I knew a man who had 6 fingers, there must be thousands in the UK
There probably is.
You can keep your head in the sand and deny it all you like, it doesn't mean it isn't there.
I know a ‘fair few’ families who are on UC, really nine people, hard working, always had a job, unfortunately became unemployed, had to claim benefits, whatever does this mean ? "I have no idea what you're going on about. Maybe it's because I'm a thick brexiteer | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy
There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK?
No, I think it is inadequate, are you happy with tax system in this country?
And btw, I said benefits culture, not benefits system
So you did, what is the ‘benefit culture ‘ in this country?
You don't think there is one?
No, but I bet you have your own perception of one ?
You dont know at least one person or family who has never worked? I personally know a fair few.
Really, whatever does this mean ?
It means if I know a few, we can hazard a guess at some of the rest of the population knowing let's say at least one. That equals a fair number creating a culture.
Maybe you should have a read on these things.
Wow, I knew a man who had 6 fingers, there must be thousands in the UK
There probably is.
You can keep your head in the sand and deny it all you like, it doesn't mean it isn't there.
I know a ‘fair few’ families who are on UC, really nine people, hard working, always had a job, unfortunately became unemployed, had to claim benefits, whatever does this mean ?
I have no idea what you're going on about. Maybe it's because I'm a thick brexiteer "Maybe you need to get your ‘head out of the sand’ | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy
There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK?
No, I think it is inadequate, are you happy with tax system in this country?
And btw, I said benefits culture, not benefits system
So you did, what is the ‘benefit culture ‘ in this country?
You don't think there is one?
No, but I bet you have your own perception of one ?
You dont know at least one person or family who has never worked? I personally know a fair few.
Really, whatever does this mean ?
It means if I know a few, we can hazard a guess at some of the rest of the population knowing let's say at least one. That equals a fair number creating a culture.
Maybe you should have a read on these things.
Wow, I knew a man who had 6 fingers, there must be thousands in the UK
There probably is.
You can keep your head in the sand and deny it all you like, it doesn't mean it isn't there.
I know a ‘fair few’ families who are on UC, really nine people, hard working, always had a job, unfortunately became unemployed, had to claim benefits, whatever does this mean ?
I have no idea what you're going on about. Maybe it's because I'm a thick brexiteer
Maybe you need to get your ‘head out of the sand’ "Yet again you can't bring your own words. Why did you always steal from others? | |||
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"We had this discussion yesterday. It's basically a load of bollocks, they have jobs and no one wants to fill them. Personally I'd send everyone in the locality on UC who can work to fill these roles but that's another discussion. Forcing people to work, sounds like communism ? Not quite. They don't need to be forced. They either work (those who can) or don't receive benefits. sure looks like force to me "Work or you starve"
Maybe this is their vision of Brexit Britain,
How many people do you think are on UC who claim to be looking for work?
We're only speaking about those who are able to physically work
Thats not how UC works, you don't jump through the arbitrary hoops, you get sanctioned, you are ill, you can get anctioned, you have mental health problems, you can get sanctioned.
There would be no need for these sanctions if they are employed
yes because it's easy to get a job if you have mental health issues or are chronically ill...
You missed 'people who can work'
and you missed the bit about arbitary hoops
The person who decides if you are fit for work is not going to be a consultant, it's a going to be (more likely than not) someone from Serco or similar with no healthcare experience.
Who said it can't be a healthcare worker? Oh look, more jobs just created
in case you missed it, this is a minimum cost operation in which the vast majority of those managing are from service providers such as Serco.
They won't pay the wages to get healthcare workers. Of which we have a shortage anyway.
BTW ESA assessments are currently carried out by healthcare professionals
You mean tan outsourced company? Employed by the DWP?
Example questions (from Citizens Advice)
The health professional might ask you how you got to the assessment centre. If you say you came on the bus, they’ll make a note that you can travel alone on public transport.
They might ask if you go shopping in a supermarket. Make it clear if you can't or need help doing this - otherwise they might assume you can walk around the supermarket on your own.
They might ask how long you’ve been sitting in the waiting room before the assessment. If you say ’Half an hour’, they’ll make a note that you can sit on an ordinary chair for at least 30 minutes. Tell them if you found it uncomfortable or needed to get up and walk around because you couldn't sit for that long.
Good luck in getting a fair hearing
As I've said already, plenty of jobs require medicals/physicals.
It's not a new phenomenon
Tories gonna tory.
Daffodil grower can’t get pickers because of Brexit, Tory/leave voters solution, force anyone on UC to do the job or starve . Sunlit uplands
I'm afraid tories and humanity dont go hand in hand
Why else would you vote for replies like reece mogg and co?
I have plenty of humanity for people but not lazy fuckers who wanna sit on their arse and collect dole money.
Was that in the last Tory manifesto?
Did you read it?
Yeah, cracking read, did you ?
I read both Labour and Conservatives. Don't as me what they said though because I can't remember.
Anyway, the answer is no, it likely wasn't in the manifesto being that those are my personal feelings
You should contact you local MP, try and get your proposal passed , ‘work or starve’ the right wingers will love it
Keep with your paraphrasing. It just shows you you up that little bit more everytime
Sorry, but ‘if you can work, work, or starve ‘ isn’t as catchy
There we go
Let me ask you, are you happy with the benefits culture we have in the UK?
No, I think it is inadequate, are you happy with tax system in this country?
And btw, I said benefits culture, not benefits system
So you did, what is the ‘benefit culture ‘ in this country?
You don't think there is one?
No, but I bet you have your own perception of one ?
You dont know at least one person or family who has never worked? I personally know a fair few.
Really, whatever does this mean ?
It means if I know a few, we can hazard a guess at some of the rest of the population knowing let's say at least one. That equals a fair number creating a culture.
Maybe you should have a read on these things.
Wow, I knew a man who had 6 fingers, there must be thousands in the UK
There probably is.
You can keep your head in the sand and deny it all you like, it doesn't mean it isn't there.
I know a ‘fair few’ families who are on UC, really nine people, hard working, always had a job, unfortunately became unemployed, had to claim benefits, whatever does this mean ?
I have no idea what you're going on about. Maybe it's because I'm a thick brexiteer
Maybe you need to get your ‘head out of the sand’
Yet again you can't bring your own words. Why did you always steal from others?"Did you invent the phrase ‘get your head out of the sand’ very impressive | |||
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