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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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Reading the accusations that Whitty and Boris are at loggerheads because Whitty refuses to endorse the governments roll out plan for schools.
If this is true who would you believe?
Not an easy one. I originally thought just science but maybe they are too cautious this time?
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over a year ago
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"Reading the accusations that Whitty and Boris are at loggerheads because Whitty refuses to endorse the governments roll out plan for schools.
If this is true who would you believe?
Not an easy one. I originally thought just science but maybe they are too cautious this time?
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I'd be more inclined to believe Whitty than BoJo but we will never know the whole story as he's unlikely to say anything publicly |
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"Reading the accusations that Whitty and Boris are at loggerheads because Whitty refuses to endorse the governments roll out plan for schools.
If this is true who would you believe?
Not an easy one. I originally thought just science but maybe they are too cautious this time?
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It's a tough one. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"Reading the accusations that Whitty and Boris are at loggerheads because Whitty refuses to endorse the governments roll out plan for schools.
If this is true who would you believe?
Not an easy one. I originally thought just science but maybe they are too cautious this time?
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Well the Science said that Schools shouldn't have gone back last time - the country was screaming 'no way don't send them back . . . they are infecting everybody'. Turns out the Science later on proved that that wasn't even nearly close to the case. Still the Government got the flack for it.
Now nearly everyone is shouting 'Get them back to School' and the Government is being cautious - and still getting the flack for it.
Also remember that it depends on what news outlet you read as to what the political point scoring is.
There has to be a median line between the Science and the Ministers at some point.
But also think of this:
The Future of our country forecasts that it will be run by people that were taught by homeschoolers, who drink during the day.
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"Reading the accusations that Whitty and Boris are at loggerheads because Whitty refuses to endorse the governments roll out plan for schools.
If this is true who would you believe?
Not an easy one. I originally thought just science but maybe they are too cautious this time?
Well the Science said that Schools shouldn't have gone back last time - the country was screaming 'no way don't send them back . . . they are infecting everybody'. Turns out the Science later on proved that that wasn't even nearly close to the case. Still the Government got the flack for it.
Now nearly everyone is shouting 'Get them back to School' and the Government is being cautious - and still getting the flack for it.
Also remember that it depends on what news outlet you read as to what the political point scoring is.
There has to be a median line between the Science and the Ministers at some point.
But also think of this:
The Future of our country forecasts that it will be run by people that were taught by homeschoolers, who drink during the day.
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"Reading the accusations that Whitty and Boris are at loggerheads because Whitty refuses to endorse the governments roll out plan for schools.
If this is true who would you believe?
Not an easy one. I originally thought just science but maybe they are too cautious this time?
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they are always to cautious for me tbh you can’t take your kids out of school because education is to important but the schools have lost valuable time yet you will still see them of for school holidays like last summer be same a week of June 6weeks summer week October amd two Xmas apparantly it’s not safe for the teachers but the same people still shop in Tesco Asda where apparantly it’s safe for them lasses on the tills who have worked all through the pandemic if a school can’t be made safe how safe are the offices warehouses shops safe ? |
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compensating for the loss of education and allowing children to catch up is also a good opportunity to permanently alter school attendance by reducing holidays from 13 weeks to 4 or 5 and lenghtening the school day to 7½ hours |
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over a year ago
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"You have to believe the press 1st. 
But not the mail or express 
guardian only pleaseNever ever believe the Guardian the biggest lying rag of a paper there is"
You stick to The Sun |
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"compensating for the loss of education and allowing children to catch up is also a good opportunity to permanently alter school attendance by reducing holidays from 13 weeks to 4 or 5 and lenghtening the school day to 7½ hours "
yes that would do for me and when they leave school they won’t expect 13 weeks of a yr lol
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"compensating for the loss of education and allowing children to catch up is also a good opportunity to permanently alter school attendance by reducing holidays from 13 weeks to 4 or 5 and lenghtening the school day to 7½ hours yes that would do for me and when they leave school they won’t expect 13 weeks of a yr lol"
That's the problem with teachers, they never left school  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"  Seems there is a lot of 'What Newspaper do you . . ?' Zealotry on here.
Not really.
Really? You think? Seems an awful lot of them to rate a 'Not really'."
Do you ‘trust ‘ a certain newspaper more than others? |
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" Seems there is a lot of 'What Newspaper do you . . ?' Zealotry on here.
Not really.
Really? You think? Seems an awful lot of them to rate a 'Not really'."
I think it's fair to ask,if someone rates a paper the worst of the lot,they should be asked, what is the best then?
Dont you? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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But that wasn't what I was pointing at.
I was pointing at the fact that every time a debate opens invariably someone says: 'Oh did you read that in that newspaper' and just as invariably it is asked in a snide way and not merely as a question born out of interest for the posters reading habits.
It's a term of batting away proper discussion, or belittling - in an overly zealous way.
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"But that wasn't what I was pointing at.
I was pointing at the fact that every time a debate opens invariably someone says: 'Oh did you read that in that newspaper' and just as invariably it is asked in a snide way and not merely as a question born out of interest for the posters reading habits.
It's a term of batting away proper discussion, or belittling - in an overly zealous way.
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it makes them feel superior and smarter but I doubt many read the times on here but it wouldn’t stop them pretending they do lol I’ll read any but never the sun but that’s because of what they did to the great people of Liverpool |
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an excerpt from the article which johnson himself commissioned, edited and published in The Spectator Oct 2004 ..
"The deaths of more than 50 Liverpool football supporters at Hillsborough in 1989 was undeniably a greater tragedy than the single death, however horrible, of Mr Bigley; but that is no excuse for Liverpool’s failure to acknowledge, even to this day, the part played in the disaster by d*unken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground that Saturday afternoon. The police became a convenient scapegoat, and the Sun newspaper a whipping-boy for daring, albeit in a tasteless fashion, to hint at the wider causes of the incident." |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"an excerpt from the article which johnson himself commissioned, edited and published in The Spectator Oct 2004 ..
"The deaths of more than 50 Liverpool football supporters at Hillsborough in 1989 was undeniably a greater tragedy than the single death, however horrible, of Mr Bigley; but that is no excuse for Liverpool’s failure to acknowledge, even to this day, the part played in the disaster by d*unken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground that Saturday afternoon. The police became a convenient scapegoat, and the Sun newspaper a whipping-boy for daring, albeit in a tasteless fashion, to hint at the wider causes of the incident." "
"Union leader accuses Jack Straw of failing Hillsborough victims.
Len McCluskey, who was at 1989 match, says former home secretary should hang head in shame over discredited review
Len McCluskey, the union leader who witnessed first-hand the Hillsborough tragedy 27 years ago, has accused Jack Straw of letting down the victims by failing to order a proper inquiry in 1997.
The general secretary of Unite said the former home secretary should “hang his head in shame” for overseeing a discredited review when Tony Blair came to power."
From someone who had all the power to 'do'. Not just the pen to 'say'. |
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"an excerpt from the article which johnson himself commissioned, edited and published in The Spectator Oct 2004 ..
"The deaths of more than 50 Liverpool football supporters at Hillsborough in 1989 was undeniably a greater tragedy than the single death, however horrible, of Mr Bigley; but that is no excuse for Liverpool’s failure to acknowledge, even to this day, the part played in the disaster by d*unken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground that Saturday afternoon. The police became a convenient scapegoat, and the Sun newspaper a whipping-boy for daring, albeit in a tasteless fashion, to hint at the wider causes of the incident."
"Union leader accuses Jack Straw of failing Hillsborough victims.
Len McCluskey, who was at 1989 match, says former home secretary should hang head in shame over discredited review
Len McCluskey, the union leader who witnessed first-hand the Hillsborough tragedy 27 years ago, has accused Jack Straw of letting down the victims by failing to order a proper inquiry in 1997.
The general secretary of Unite said the former home secretary should “hang his head in shame” for overseeing a discredited review when Tony Blair came to power."
From someone who had all the power to 'do'. Not just the pen to 'say'."
Jack straw is a pimp.
Both labour and the Tories at best, blindly ignored it.
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
"an excerpt from the article which johnson himself commissioned, edited and published in The Spectator Oct 2004 ..
"The deaths of more than 50 Liverpool football supporters at Hillsborough in 1989 was undeniably a greater tragedy than the single death, however horrible, of Mr Bigley; but that is no excuse for Liverpool’s failure to acknowledge, even to this day, the part played in the disaster by d*unken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground that Saturday afternoon. The police became a convenient scapegoat, and the Sun newspaper a whipping-boy for daring, albeit in a tasteless fashion, to hint at the wider causes of the incident."
"Union leader accuses Jack Straw of failing Hillsborough victims.
Len McCluskey, who was at 1989 match, says former home secretary should hang head in shame over discredited review
Len McCluskey, the union leader who witnessed first-hand the Hillsborough tragedy 27 years ago, has accused Jack Straw of letting down the victims by failing to order a proper inquiry in 1997.
The general secretary of Unite said the former home secretary should “hang his head in shame” for overseeing a discredited review when Tony Blair came to power."
From someone who had all the power to 'do'. Not just the pen to 'say'.
Jack straw is a pimp.
Both labour and the Tories at best, blindly ignored it.
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Don't disagree at all. But as you have said more than once on a number of issues. Responsibility rest with those in power at the time. |
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"an excerpt from the article which johnson himself commissioned, edited and published in The Spectator Oct 2004 ..
"The deaths of more than 50 Liverpool football supporters at Hillsborough in 1989 was undeniably a greater tragedy than the single death, however horrible, of Mr Bigley; but that is no excuse for Liverpool’s failure to acknowledge, even to this day, the part played in the disaster by d*unken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground that Saturday afternoon. The police became a convenient scapegoat, and the Sun newspaper a whipping-boy for daring, albeit in a tasteless fashion, to hint at the wider causes of the incident."
"Union leader accuses Jack Straw of failing Hillsborough victims.
Len McCluskey, who was at 1989 match, says former home secretary should hang head in shame over discredited review
Len McCluskey, the union leader who witnessed first-hand the Hillsborough tragedy 27 years ago, has accused Jack Straw of letting down the victims by failing to order a proper inquiry in 1997.
The general secretary of Unite said the former home secretary should “hang his head in shame” for overseeing a discredited review when Tony Blair came to power."
From someone who had all the power to 'do'. Not just the pen to 'say'.
Jack straw is a pimp.
Both labour and the Tories at best, blindly ignored it.
Don't disagree at all. But as you have said more than once on a number of issues. Responsibility rest with those in power at the time."
Which in 89 was the tories |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
"an excerpt from the article which johnson himself commissioned, edited and published in The Spectator Oct 2004 ..
"The deaths of more than 50 Liverpool football supporters at Hillsborough in 1989 was undeniably a greater tragedy than the single death, however horrible, of Mr Bigley; but that is no excuse for Liverpool’s failure to acknowledge, even to this day, the part played in the disaster by d*unken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground that Saturday afternoon. The police became a convenient scapegoat, and the Sun newspaper a whipping-boy for daring, albeit in a tasteless fashion, to hint at the wider causes of the incident."
"Union leader accuses Jack Straw of failing Hillsborough victims.
Len McCluskey, who was at 1989 match, says former home secretary should hang head in shame over discredited review
Len McCluskey, the union leader who witnessed first-hand the Hillsborough tragedy 27 years ago, has accused Jack Straw of letting down the victims by failing to order a proper inquiry in 1997.
The general secretary of Unite said the former home secretary should “hang his head in shame” for overseeing a discredited review when Tony Blair came to power."
From someone who had all the power to 'do'. Not just the pen to 'say'.
Jack straw is a pimp.
Both labour and the Tories at best, blindly ignored it.
Don't disagree at all. But as you have said more than once on a number of issues. Responsibility rest with those in power at the time.
Which in 89 was the tories "
My post reads . . .
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The general secretary of Unite said the former home secretary should “hang his head in shame” for overseeing a discredited review when Tony Blair came to power."
However. |
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"an excerpt from the article which johnson himself commissioned, edited and published in The Spectator Oct 2004 ..
"The deaths of more than 50 Liverpool football supporters at Hillsborough in 1989 was undeniably a greater tragedy than the single death, however horrible, of Mr Bigley; but that is no excuse for Liverpool’s failure to acknowledge, even to this day, the part played in the disaster by d*unken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground that Saturday afternoon. The police became a convenient scapegoat, and the Sun newspaper a whipping-boy for daring, albeit in a tasteless fashion, to hint at the wider causes of the incident."
"Union leader accuses Jack Straw of failing Hillsborough victims.
Len McCluskey, who was at 1989 match, says former home secretary should hang head in shame over discredited review
Len McCluskey, the union leader who witnessed first-hand the Hillsborough tragedy 27 years ago, has accused Jack Straw of letting down the victims by failing to order a proper inquiry in 1997.
The general secretary of Unite said the former home secretary should “hang his head in shame” for overseeing a discredited review when Tony Blair came to power."
From someone who had all the power to 'do'. Not just the pen to 'say'.
Jack straw is a pimp.
Both labour and the Tories at best, blindly ignored it.
Don't disagree at all. But as you have said more than once on a number of issues. Responsibility rest with those in power at the time.
Which in 89 was the tories
My post reads . . .
"
The general secretary of Unite said the former home secretary should “hang his head in shame” for overseeing a discredited review when Tony Blair came to power."
However."
Simply pointing out the tories were in power at the time and oversaw a similar whitewash. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"sun insults liverpool over hillsborough reject everything they say
johnson insults liverpool over hillsborough fawning over and defending his every word.
how predictably hypocritical"
No NOT defending Johnson at all. But you place that except specifically to do so.
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By *atEvolutionCouple
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atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
"an excerpt from the article which johnson himself commissioned, edited and published in The Spectator Oct 2004 ..
"The deaths of more than 50 Liverpool football supporters at Hillsborough in 1989 was undeniably a greater tragedy than the single death, however horrible, of Mr Bigley; but that is no excuse for Liverpool’s failure to acknowledge, even to this day, the part played in the disaster by d*unken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground that Saturday afternoon. The police became a convenient scapegoat, and the Sun newspaper a whipping-boy for daring, albeit in a tasteless fashion, to hint at the wider causes of the incident."
"Union leader accuses Jack Straw of failing Hillsborough victims.
Len McCluskey, who was at 1989 match, says former home secretary should hang head in shame over discredited review
Len McCluskey, the union leader who witnessed first-hand the Hillsborough tragedy 27 years ago, has accused Jack Straw of letting down the victims by failing to order a proper inquiry in 1997.
The general secretary of Unite said the former home secretary should “hang his head in shame” for overseeing a discredited review when Tony Blair came to power."
From someone who had all the power to 'do'. Not just the pen to 'say'.
Jack straw is a pimp.
Both labour and the Tories at best, blindly ignored it.
Don't disagree at all. But as you have said more than once on a number of issues. Responsibility rest with those in power at the time.
Which in 89 was the tories
My post reads . . .
"
The general secretary of Unite said the former home secretary should “hang his head in shame” for overseeing a discredited review when Tony Blair came to power."
However.
Simply pointing out the tories were in power at the time and oversaw a similar whitewash."
Told you already. I agree with you. |
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"an excerpt from the article which johnson himself commissioned, edited and published in The Spectator Oct 2004 ..
"The deaths of more than 50 Liverpool football supporters at Hillsborough in 1989 was undeniably a greater tragedy than the single death, however horrible, of Mr Bigley; but that is no excuse for Liverpool’s failure to acknowledge, even to this day, the part played in the disaster by d*unken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground that Saturday afternoon. The police became a convenient scapegoat, and the Sun newspaper a whipping-boy for daring, albeit in a tasteless fashion, to hint at the wider causes of the incident."
"Union leader accuses Jack Straw of failing Hillsborough victims.
Len McCluskey, who was at 1989 match, says former home secretary should hang head in shame over discredited review
Len McCluskey, the union leader who witnessed first-hand the Hillsborough tragedy 27 years ago, has accused Jack Straw of letting down the victims by failing to order a proper inquiry in 1997.
The general secretary of Unite said the former home secretary should “hang his head in shame” for overseeing a discredited review when Tony Blair came to power."
From someone who had all the power to 'do'. Not just the pen to 'say'.
Jack straw is a pimp.
Both labour and the Tories at best, blindly ignored it.
Don't disagree at all. But as you have said more than once on a number of issues. Responsibility rest with those in power at the time.
Which in 89 was the tories
My post reads . . .
"
The general secretary of Unite said the former home secretary should “hang his head in shame” for overseeing a discredited review when Tony Blair came to power."
However.
Simply pointing out the tories were in power at the time and oversaw a similar whitewash.
Told you already. I agree with you."
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"sun insults liverpool over hillsborough reject everything they say
johnson insults liverpool over hillsborough fawning over and defending his every word.
how predictably hypocritical
No NOT defending Johnson at all. But you place that except specifically to do so.
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It was a widely held belief at the time.
He certainly wasmt the only one. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"sun insults liverpool over hillsborough reject everything they say
johnson insults liverpool over hillsborough fawning over and defending his every word.
how predictably hypocritical
No NOT defending Johnson at all. But you place that except specifically to do so.
It was a widely held belief at the time.
He certainly wasmt the only one."
There were so many name callers it wasn't true. So many stereotypes being thrown about not one of them even remotely true. |
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"One of the most shameful things ever to have happened in British Society."
yesterday we were being told to be proud of britain regardless
today britain is shameful
i wait with anticipation for tomorrow |
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"sun insults liverpool over hillsborough reject everything they say
johnson insults liverpool over hillsborough fawning over and defending his every word.
how predictably hypocritical
No NOT defending Johnson at all. But you place that except specifically to do so.
It was a widely held belief at the time.
He certainly wasmt the only one.
There were so many name callers it wasn't true. So many stereotypes being thrown about not one of them even remotely true."
Ironically the mail was even worse.That reptile littlejohn and ingham were banging on about it for years.
But the sun in their charming wayjust plumbed the depths and carried on digging. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
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"One of the most shameful things ever to have happened in British Society.
yesterday we were being told to be proud of britain regardless
today britain is shameful
i wait with anticipation for tomorrow"
"One of the most shameful things ever to have happened in British Society."
The words at the beginning actually read 'One of' as in 'not all of'.
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
"sun insults liverpool over hillsborough reject everything they say
johnson insults liverpool over hillsborough fawning over and defending his every word.
how predictably hypocritical
No NOT defending Johnson at all. But you place that except specifically to do so.
It was a widely held belief at the time.
He certainly wasmt the only one.
There were so many name callers it wasn't true. So many stereotypes being thrown about not one of them even remotely true.
Ironically the mail was even worse.That reptile littlejohn and ingham were banging on about it for years.
But the sun in their charming wayjust plumbed the depths and carried on digging."
Even The Times had a shameful period afterwards. |
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"sun insults liverpool over hillsborough reject everything they say
johnson insults liverpool over hillsborough fawning over and defending his every word.
how predictably hypocritical
No NOT defending Johnson at all. But you place that except specifically to do so.
It was a widely held belief at the time.
He certainly wasmt the only one.
There were so many name callers it wasn't true. So many stereotypes being thrown about not one of them even remotely true.
Ironically the mail was even worse.That reptile littlejohn and ingham were banging on about it for years.
But the sun in their charming wayjust plumbed the depths and carried on digging."
then johnson and the spectator backed up the sun's angle on the matter .... he refused to appologise until he was offered a cabinet position a few years later |
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