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over a year ago
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"This reminds me of the shock and outrage back in 2008.
History repeating itself, disgraceful! "
Is he the best person to handle this relationship going forward? Or is there someone better suited?
Surely we all want the best person? |
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"This reminds me of the shock and outrage back in 2008.
History repeating itself, disgraceful!
Is he the best person to handle this relationship going forward? Or is there someone better suited?
Surely we all want the best person?"
You would think this would be the case, however for some it's way down the priority list.
I think it's a very good appointment, and as history suggests, is not something that goes against the grain of acceptability  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This reminds me of the shock and outrage back in 2008.
History repeating itself, disgraceful!
Is he the best person to handle this relationship going forward? Or is there someone better suited?
Surely we all want the best person?
You would think this would be the case, however for some it's way down the priority list.
I think it's a very good appointment, and as history suggests, is not something that goes against the grain of acceptability "
I see the point, there was a lot of 'unelected officials' stuff to do with Brexit. If anyone chose to believe that argument then they obviously don't know how ministers are appointed in this country.
However, it's not unusual for Government to appoint 'specialists'. It's certainly not the first time and won't be the last either.
I won't say much more or I'll be called out for 'whataboutery' |
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"This reminds me of the shock and outrage back in 2008.
History repeating itself, disgraceful!
Is he the best person to handle this relationship going forward? Or is there someone better suited?
Surely we all want the best person?
You would think this would be the case, however for some it's way down the priority list.
I think it's a very good appointment, and as history suggests, is not something that goes against the grain of acceptability
I see the point, there was a lot of 'unelected officials' stuff to do with Brexit. If anyone chose to believe that argument then they obviously don't know how ministers are appointed in this country.
However, it's not unusual for Government to appoint 'specialists'. It's certainly not the first time and won't be the last either.
I won't say much more or I'll be called out for 'whataboutery'"
edging nearer to full blown whataboutery here, but it is interesting to note that the opposition at the moment are dragging back, to steady/rescue the sinking ship, the very "minister" I was subtly referring to 
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the arch-unelected beaurocrat dumbinic cummings sacked or bullied out of their job anyone in the civil service who was qualified to take the position, so it's just been farmed out to another member of the chumocracy. standard |
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One of the core 'issues' was the nonsense pushed that the EU was run by unelected officials so it's natural that in the appointment of Frost it's going to be raised..
Tbh it's a bit of a none story as was the so called angst over the EU, accepting it's how things work is positive..
Who knows it might well educate brexiteers and remove some of their long held anxiety over the issue.. |
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"One of the core 'issues' was the nonsense pushed that the EU was run by unelected officials so it's natural that in the appointment of Frost it's going to be raised..
Tbh it's a bit of a none story as was the so called angst over the EU, accepting it's how things work is positive..
Who knows it might well educate brexiteers and remove some of their long held anxiety over the issue.."
Not really, when you've had in this very forum people educating you about how useless Ursula was as a German minister and how she was kicked upstairs to Brussels. Then you have Michel Barnier who is most famous for liking a drink.
Frosty actually has a diplomatic track record and clearly showed a good deal of long overdue nous in cleaning the EU's clock in negotiations. |
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"One of the core 'issues' was the nonsense pushed that the EU was run by unelected officials so it's natural that in the appointment of Frost it's going to be raised..
Tbh it's a bit of a none story as was the so called angst over the EU, accepting it's how things work is positive..
Who knows it might well educate brexiteers and remove some of their long held anxiety over the issue.."
It's one of those things where you say something often enough it becomes fact..the eu is full of unelected officials..get the usual suspects in the media to say it every other day and enough simpletons start believing it.
It's a very effective tactic.
Completely off topic but this whole captain hindsight bollocks is exactly the same.
Anyone who thinks the media dont have an influence ,is talking out of their arse. |
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"This reminds me of the shock and outrage back in 2008.
History repeating itself, disgraceful!
Is he the best person to handle this relationship going forward? Or is there someone better suited?
Surely we all want the best person?"
unless they are Europen, then the brextwits go crazy ape sh!t in an ever so funny way
Did you vote for him? |
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Frosty actually has a diplomatic track record and clearly showed a good deal of long overdue nous in cleaning the EU's clock in negotiations. "
Howsthe deal he negotiated working out for the fishermen and the haulage industry? |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Now we've left the EU we don't have to put up with 'em.
So who voted for Lord Frost?"
Many decisions are taken by civil servants they are not elected.The point is they are answerable to elected officials very different to Europe so no comparison in anyway. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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Frosty actually has a diplomatic track record and clearly showed a good deal of long overdue nous in cleaning the EU's clock in negotiations.
Howsthe deal he negotiated working out for the fishermen and the haulage industry?"
That his and was not his job do you not understand anything? |
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Frosty actually has a diplomatic track record and clearly showed a good deal of long overdue nous in cleaning the EU's clock in negotiations.
Howsthe deal he negotiated working out for the fishermen and the haulage industry?That his and was not his job do you not understand anything?"
I understand lots actually.
He was front and centre on the negtiations.
"He previously served as Chief Negotiator for Exiting the European Union from July 2019 to January 2020. He was elevated to the House of Lords as a Life Peer in September 2020.[9]" |
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Frosty actually has a diplomatic track record and clearly showed a good deal of long overdue nous in cleaning the EU's clock in negotiations.
Howsthe deal he negotiated working out for the fishermen and the haulage industry?That his and was not his job do you not understand anything?"
There's irony given your previous comment.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This reminds me of the shock and outrage back in 2008.
History repeating itself, disgraceful!
Is he the best person to handle this relationship going forward? Or is there someone better suited?
Surely we all want the best person?
unless they are Europen, then the brextwits go crazy ape sh!t in an ever so funny way
Did you vote for him?"
You really must stop with the name calling. It's not a good look |
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Frosty actually has a diplomatic track record and clearly showed a good deal of long overdue nous in cleaning the EU's clock in negotiations.
Howsthe deal he negotiated working out for the fishermen and the haulage industry?That his and was not his job do you not understand anything?
There's irony given your previous comment.. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This reminds me of the shock and outrage back in 2008.
History repeating itself, disgraceful!
Is he the best person to handle this relationship going forward? Or is there someone better suited?
Surely we all want the best person?
unless they are Europen, then the brextwits go crazy ape sh!t in an ever so funny way
Did you vote for him?
You really must stop with the name calling. It's not a good look"
Wasn't he complaining about it yesterday and said he'd never insulted anyone? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This reminds me of the shock and outrage back in 2008.
History repeating itself, disgraceful!
Is he the best person to handle this relationship going forward? Or is there someone better suited?
Surely we all want the best person?
unless they are Europen, then the brextwits go crazy ape sh!t in an ever so funny way
Did you vote for him?
You really must stop with the name calling. It's not a good look
Wasn't he complaining about it yesterday and said he'd never insulted anyone? "
It's hard to keep up. Too many people wanna whinge about insults whilst throwing them around themselves  |
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"This reminds me of the shock and outrage back in 2008.
History repeating itself, disgraceful!
Is he the best person to handle this relationship going forward? Or is there someone better suited?
Surely we all want the best person?
unless they are Europen, then the brextwits go crazy ape sh!t in an ever so funny way
Did you vote for him?
You really must stop with the name calling. It's not a good look
Wasn't he complaining about it yesterday and said he'd never insulted anyone?
It's hard to keep up. Too many people wanna whinge about insults whilst throwing them around themselves "
Do you accept his job was brexit negotiation?
Yes or No |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This reminds me of the shock and outrage back in 2008.
History repeating itself, disgraceful!
Is he the best person to handle this relationship going forward? Or is there someone better suited?
Surely we all want the best person?
unless they are Europen, then the brextwits go crazy ape sh!t in an ever so funny way
Did you vote for him?
You really must stop with the name calling. It's not a good look
Wasn't he complaining about it yesterday and said he'd never insulted anyone?
It's hard to keep up. Too many people wanna whinge about insults whilst throwing them around themselves
Do you accept his job was brexit negotiation?
Yes or No"
Why would it matter whether I accept that? |
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"This reminds me of the shock and outrage back in 2008.
History repeating itself, disgraceful!
Is he the best person to handle this relationship going forward? Or is there someone better suited?
Surely we all want the best person?
unless they are Europen, then the brextwits go crazy ape sh!t in an ever so funny way
Did you vote for him?
You really must stop with the name calling. It's not a good look
Wasn't he complaining about it yesterday and said he'd never insulted anyone?
It's hard to keep up. Too many people wanna whinge about insults whilst throwing them around themselves
Do you accept his job was brexit negotiation?
Yes or No
Why would it matter whether I accept that?"
You got it wrong. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This reminds me of the shock and outrage back in 2008.
History repeating itself, disgraceful!
Is he the best person to handle this relationship going forward? Or is there someone better suited?
Surely we all want the best person?
unless they are Europen, then the brextwits go crazy ape sh!t in an ever so funny way
Did you vote for him?
You really must stop with the name calling. It's not a good look
Wasn't he complaining about it yesterday and said he'd never insulted anyone?
It's hard to keep up. Too many people wanna whinge about insults whilst throwing them around themselves
Do you accept his job was brexit negotiation?
Yes or No
Why would it matter whether I accept that?
You got it wrong."
What did I get wrong? |
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"This reminds me of the shock and outrage back in 2008.
History repeating itself, disgraceful!
Is he the best person to handle this relationship going forward? Or is there someone better suited?
Surely we all want the best person?
unless they are Europen, then the brextwits go crazy ape sh!t in an ever so funny way
Did you vote for him?
You really must stop with the name calling. It's not a good look
Wasn't he complaining about it yesterday and said he'd never insulted anyone?
It's hard to keep up. Too many people wanna whinge about insults whilst throwing them around themselves
Do you accept his job was brexit negotiation?
Yes or No
Why would it matter whether I accept that?
You got it wrong.
What did I get wrong?"
Apologies, mixed you up with another poster  |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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Frosty actually has a diplomatic track record and clearly showed a good deal of long overdue nous in cleaning the EU's clock in negotiations.
Howsthe deal he negotiated working out for the fishermen and the haulage industry?That his and was not his job do you not understand anything?
I understand lots actually.
He was front and centre on the negtiations.
"He previously served as Chief Negotiator for Exiting the European Union from July 2019 to January 2020. He was elevated to the House of Lords as a Life Peer in September 2020.[9]""
You have answered why he got the job |
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Frosty actually has a diplomatic track record and clearly showed a good deal of long overdue nous in cleaning the EU's clock in negotiations.
Howsthe deal he negotiated working out for the fishermen and the haulage industry?That his and was not his job do you not understand anything?
I understand lots actually.
He was front and centre on the negtiations.
"He previously served as Chief Negotiator for Exiting the European Union from July 2019 to January 2020. He was elevated to the House of Lords as a Life Peer in September 2020.[9]"You have answered why he got the job"
So in the space of a few posts you've absolved him of blame for the fuckups and also said that his previous negotiations are the reason for his new job. That's some pretty spectacular mental gymnastics to hold both those opinions at the same time! |
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Frosty actually has a diplomatic track record and clearly showed a good deal of long overdue nous in cleaning the EU's clock in negotiations.
Howsthe deal he negotiated working out for the fishermen and the haulage industry?That his and was not his job do you not understand anything?
I understand lots actually.
He was front and centre on the negtiations.
"He previously served as Chief Negotiator for Exiting the European Union from July 2019 to January 2020. He was elevated to the House of Lords as a Life Peer in September 2020.[9]"You have answered why he got the job"
You, if I recall correctly, said he wasn't in charge of negotiations, that delivered a deal which screwed over fishermen, manufacturers and the economy in general. |
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Frosty actually has a diplomatic track record and clearly showed a good deal of long overdue nous in cleaning the EU's clock in negotiations.
Howsthe deal he negotiated working out for the fishermen and the haulage industry?That his and was not his job do you not understand anything?
I understand lots actually.
He was front and centre on the negtiations.
"He previously served as Chief Negotiator for Exiting the European Union from July 2019 to January 2020. He was elevated to the House of Lords as a Life Peer in September 2020.[9]"You have answered why he got the job
You, if I recall correctly, said he wasn't in charge of negotiations, that delivered a deal which screwed over fishermen, manufacturers and the economy in general."
In your opinion.
Speaking as a UK manufacturer, things have never been better. |
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Frosty actually has a diplomatic track record and clearly showed a good deal of long overdue nous in cleaning the EU's clock in negotiations.
Howsthe deal he negotiated working out for the fishermen and the haulage industry?That his and was not his job do you not understand anything?
I understand lots actually.
He was front and centre on the negtiations.
"He previously served as Chief Negotiator for Exiting the European Union from July 2019 to January 2020. He was elevated to the House of Lords as a Life Peer in September 2020.[9]"You have answered why he got the job
You, if I recall correctly, said he wasn't in charge of negotiations, that delivered a deal which screwed over fishermen, manufacturers and the economy in general.
In your opinion.
Speaking as a UK manufacturer, things have never been better. "
actually it's the opinion of
the farmers
the majority of British manufacturers
the fishermen
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Frosty actually has a diplomatic track record and clearly showed a good deal of long overdue nous in cleaning the EU's clock in negotiations.
Howsthe deal he negotiated working out for the fishermen and the haulage industry?That his and was not his job do you not understand anything?
I understand lots actually.
He was front and centre on the negtiations.
"He previously served as Chief Negotiator for Exiting the European Union from July 2019 to January 2020. He was elevated to the House of Lords as a Life Peer in September 2020.[9]"You have answered why he got the job
You, if I recall correctly, said he wasn't in charge of negotiations, that delivered a deal which screwed over fishermen, manufacturers and the economy in general.
In your opinion.
Speaking as a UK manufacturer, things have never been better.
actually it's the opinion of
the farmers
the majority of British manufacturers
the fishermen
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Now the farmers as well??? Honestly you're making stuff up  |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"10 oysters for a fiver in my local fishmongers today,happy days.
I’m sure the fishermen who can’t pay their bills due to the low prices will be delighted for you. Im sure they will be happy selling their produce so go out and buy .If it wasn't viable they wouldn't do it but as you know most fisherman adapt to what's about at the time.  "
All those shops and bars losing money right now should just close then if that’s the case as by your reckoning they are all making a profit. Hmm
Like anyone struggling the fishermen will hang on as long as they can hoping for changes but a loss is a loss and unless the rules with the EU change the end of the game is inevitable . The shops have hope that Covid will go away so worth hanging on for if they can.
Then of course those fishermen who are left will put their prices up in an attempt to break even and make a living. Is that a win? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"10 oysters for a fiver in my local fishmongers today,happy days.
I’m sure the fishermen who can’t pay their bills due to the low prices will be delighted for you. Im sure they will be happy selling their produce so go out and buy .If it wasn't viable they wouldn't do it but as you know most fisherman adapt to what's about at the time.
All those shops and bars losing money right now should just close then if that’s the case as by your reckoning they are all making a profit. Hmm
Like anyone struggling the fishermen will hang on as long as they can hoping for changes but a loss is a loss and unless the rules with the EU change the end of the game is inevitable . The shops have hope that Covid will go away so worth hanging on for if they can.
Then of course those fishermen who are left will put their prices up in an attempt to break even and make a living. Is that a win? "
yep and once those bars and restaurants start opening there will be greater demand again and we know what that leads to.Those shops and bars are getting gov help as you well know a non argument yet again. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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What I’m struggling with is although everyone can see firms in trouble and losing money over Brexit it seems to be dismissed by so many as collateral damage.
These people who may have run these firms all their lives and worked very hard in them through no fault of their own in many cases, are going out of business without any hope of a future. I’m sure those with their homes put up as security will be happy to say oh it’s ok I’m losing my home and there will be benefits in 10 years just not for me.
How as a nation can we think that is a price worth paying? There are no benefits only a huge downside. Unless of course you are a tax exile. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"10 oysters for a fiver in my local fishmongers today,happy days.
I’m sure the fishermen who can’t pay their bills due to the low prices will be delighted for you. Im sure they will be happy selling their produce so go out and buy .If it wasn't viable they wouldn't do it but as you know most fisherman adapt to what's about at the time.
All those shops and bars losing money right now should just close then if that’s the case as by your reckoning they are all making a profit. Hmm
Like anyone struggling the fishermen will hang on as long as they can hoping for changes but a loss is a loss and unless the rules with the EU change the end of the game is inevitable . The shops have hope that Covid will go away so worth hanging on for if they can.
Then of course those fishermen who are left will put their prices up in an attempt to break even and make a living. Is that a win? yep and once those bars and restaurants start opening there will be greater demand again and we know what that leads to.Those shops and bars are getting gov help as you well know a non argument yet again."
Explain non argument as you keep saying it as a throw away. My points are valid and if you can’t answer them then don’t.
Shellfish can’t be exported to its biggest market so no matter if all the bars open they won’t buy what they didn’t want before. So explain how bars opening improves the exports of shellfish which are banned?
Yes those bars are getting grants and some are getting up to £3k a month whilst their rent is £12k a month. So again they are holding on which you shows you agree with me. Thanks. |
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Frosty actually has a diplomatic track record and clearly showed a good deal of long overdue nous in cleaning the EU's clock in negotiations.
Howsthe deal he negotiated working out for the fishermen and the haulage industry?That his and was not his job do you not understand anything?
I understand lots actually.
He was front and centre on the negtiations.
"He previously served as Chief Negotiator for Exiting the European Union from July 2019 to January 2020. He was elevated to the House of Lords as a Life Peer in September 2020.[9]"You have answered why he got the job
You, if I recall correctly, said he wasn't in charge of negotiations, that delivered a deal which screwed over fishermen, manufacturers and the economy in general.
In your opinion.
Speaking as a UK manufacturer, things have never been better. "
Agree same for us, UK manufacturer and we are 7% up from last year, mainly down to decent growth in China the US and Asia. |
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Frosty actually has a diplomatic track record and clearly showed a good deal of long overdue nous in cleaning the EU's clock in negotiations.
Howsthe deal he negotiated working out for the fishermen and the haulage industry?That his and was not his job do you not understand anything?
I understand lots actually.
He was front and centre on the negtiations.
"He previously served as Chief Negotiator for Exiting the European Union from July 2019 to January 2020. He was elevated to the House of Lords as a Life Peer in September 2020.[9]"You have answered why he got the job
You, if I recall correctly, said he wasn't in charge of negotiations, that delivered a deal which screwed over fishermen, manufacturers and the economy in general.
In your opinion.
Speaking as a UK manufacturer, things have never been better.
actually it's the opinion of
the farmers
the majority of British manufacturers
the fishermen
Now the farmers as well??? Honestly you're making stuff up "
I wish I were making stuff up, but I'm not.
Look at what's happening between the UK and NI |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Shellfish can be exported if they have been cleaned (filtration process) so they don't poison people.
As you well know. "
Yes I know but that is true will that be available before these guys go bust. If they’ve got loans on those boats and they are secured against their homes the likes of RBS will be going after them rather than wait
Banks don’t give a fuck as long as they make money as we all know.
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