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"It's clear that there's quite a few UK companies who have been pootling along just dealing with Europe and not trying to export elsewhere. Now they are being made to get some simple customs paperwork into shape, they will be setup much better for global exports. I think the future looks great for UK plc. "UK PLC? What happened to the British Empire? | |||
"It's clear that there's quite a few UK companies who have been pootling along just dealing with Europe and not trying to export elsewhere. Now they are being made to get some simple customs paperwork into shape, they will be setup much better for global exports. I think the future looks great for UK plc.
UK PLC? What happened to the British Empire? "UK plc is the throbbing pulse of the New British Empire | |||
"It's clear that there's quite a few UK companies who have been pootling along just dealing with Europe and not trying to export elsewhere. Now they are being made to get some simple customs paperwork into shape, they will be setup much better for global exports. I think the future looks great for UK plc.
UK PLC? What happened to the British Empire?
UK plc is the throbbing pulse of the New British Empire "Let's see if we can stick to the comedy today bud. This is good stuff. | |||
"It's clear that there's quite a few UK companies who have been pootling along just dealing with Europe and not trying to export elsewhere. Now they are being made to get some simple customs paperwork into shape, they will be setup much better for global exports. I think the future looks great for UK plc.
UK PLC? What happened to the British Empire?
UK plc is the throbbing pulse of the New British Empire "Haha, you are funny Chris  | |||
"It's clear that there's quite a few UK companies who have been pootling along just dealing with Europe and not trying to export elsewhere. Now they are being made to get some simple customs paperwork into shape, they will be setup much better for global exports. I think the future looks great for UK plc.
UK PLC? What happened to the British Empire?
UK plc is the throbbing pulse of the New British Empire
Let's see if we can stick to the comedy today bud.
This is good stuff. "Come on have some perspective chum. I quoted the Wikipedia article about a national broadcaster who I don't particularly listen to (I find him quite banal) in response to you comparing him to some far right goon squad. | |||
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"It's clear that there's quite a few UK companies who have been pootling along just dealing with Europe and not trying to export elsewhere. Now they are being made to get some simple customs paperwork into shape, they will be setup much better for global exports. I think the future looks great for UK plc.
UK PLC? What happened to the British Empire?
UK plc is the throbbing pulse of the New British Empire " great come back | |||
"It's clear that there's quite a few UK companies who have been pootling along just dealing with Europe and not trying to export elsewhere. Now they are being made to get some simple customs paperwork into shape, they will be setup much better for global exports. I think the future looks great for UK plc.
UK PLC? What happened to the British Empire?
UK plc is the throbbing pulse of the New British Empire
Let's see if we can stick to the comedy today bud.
This is good stuff.
Come on have some perspective chum. I quoted the Wikipedia article about a national broadcaster who I don't particularly listen to (I find him quite banal) in response to you comparing him to some far right goon squad. "Let's veer this back to the British Empire. So how about Operation Legacy. If you want to reinstate the empire, you're going to have to address this. | |||
"It's clear that there's quite a few UK companies who have been pootling along just dealing with Europe and not trying to export elsewhere. Now they are being made to get some simple customs paperwork into shape, they will be setup much better for global exports. I think the future looks great for UK plc.
UK PLC? What happened to the British Empire?
UK plc is the throbbing pulse of the New British Empire
Let's see if we can stick to the comedy today bud.
This is good stuff.
Come on have some perspective chum. I quoted the Wikipedia article about a national broadcaster who I don't particularly listen to (I find him quite banal) in response to you comparing him to some far right goon squad.
Let's veer this back to the British Empire.
So how about Operation Legacy. If you want to reinstate the empire, you're going to have to address this. "Uh? You're free to start a thread with a specific question if you like, otherwise it's a bit like me posting a reply just saying "turnips" | |||
"It's clear that there's quite a few UK companies who have been pootling along just dealing with Europe and not trying to export elsewhere. Now they are being made to get some simple customs paperwork into shape, they will be setup much better for global exports. I think the future looks great for UK plc.
UK PLC? What happened to the British Empire?
UK plc is the throbbing pulse of the New British Empire
Let's see if we can stick to the comedy today bud.
This is good stuff.
Come on have some perspective chum. I quoted the Wikipedia article about a national broadcaster who I don't particularly listen to (I find him quite banal) in response to you comparing him to some far right goon squad.
Let's veer this back to the British Empire.
So how about Operation Legacy. If you want to reinstate the empire, you're going to have to address this.
Uh? You're free to start a thread with a specific question if you like, otherwise it's a bit like me posting a reply just saying "turnips" "Tbh, you relying ‘turnips’ would make more sense than your usual efforts | |||
"It's clear that there's quite a few UK companies who have been pootling along just dealing with Europe and not trying to export elsewhere. Now they are being made to get some simple customs paperwork into shape, they will be setup much better for global exports. I think the future looks great for UK plc.
UK PLC? What happened to the British Empire?
UK plc is the throbbing pulse of the New British Empire
Let's see if we can stick to the comedy today bud.
This is good stuff.
Come on have some perspective chum. I quoted the Wikipedia article about a national broadcaster who I don't particularly listen to (I find him quite banal) in response to you comparing him to some far right goon squad.
Let's veer this back to the British Empire.
So how about Operation Legacy. If you want to reinstate the empire, you're going to have to address this.
Uh? You're free to start a thread with a specific question if you like, otherwise it's a bit like me posting a reply just saying "turnips"
Tbh, you relying ‘turnips’ would make more sense than your usual efforts "He has gone up 186% in my estimation. In fairness. My question is specifically for Chris, so I don't want to start a thread about it. I'm just asking about a couple of elements for this idea to reinstate the British Empire. | |||
"It's clear that there's quite a few UK companies who have been pootling along just dealing with Europe and not trying to export elsewhere. Now they are being made to get some simple customs paperwork into shape, they will be setup much better for global exports. I think the future looks great for UK plc.
UK PLC? What happened to the British Empire?
UK plc is the throbbing pulse of the New British Empire
Let's see if we can stick to the comedy today bud.
This is good stuff.
Come on have some perspective chum. I quoted the Wikipedia article about a national broadcaster who I don't particularly listen to (I find him quite banal) in response to you comparing him to some far right goon squad.
Let's veer this back to the British Empire.
So how about Operation Legacy. If you want to reinstate the empire, you're going to have to address this.
Uh? You're free to start a thread with a specific question if you like, otherwise it's a bit like me posting a reply just saying "turnips"
Tbh, you relying ‘turnips’ would make more sense than your usual efforts
He has gone up 186% in my estimation.
In fairness. My question is specifically for Chris, so I don't want to start a thread about it.
I'm just asking about a couple of elements for this idea to reinstate the British Empire."Well all you've said is "how about operation legacy". Not sure what you're asking. And I do refer to the New British Empire anyway. | |||
"It's clear that there's quite a few UK companies who have been pootling along just dealing with Europe and not trying to export elsewhere. Now they are being made to get some simple customs paperwork into shape, they will be setup much better for global exports. I think the future looks great for UK plc.
UK PLC? What happened to the British Empire?
UK plc is the throbbing pulse of the New British Empire
Let's see if we can stick to the comedy today bud.
This is good stuff.
Come on have some perspective chum. I quoted the Wikipedia article about a national broadcaster who I don't particularly listen to (I find him quite banal) in response to you comparing him to some far right goon squad.
Let's veer this back to the British Empire.
So how about Operation Legacy. If you want to reinstate the empire, you're going to have to address this.
Uh? You're free to start a thread with a specific question if you like, otherwise it's a bit like me posting a reply just saying "turnips"
Tbh, you relying ‘turnips’ would make more sense than your usual efforts
He has gone up 186% in my estimation.
In fairness. My question is specifically for Chris, so I don't want to start a thread about it.
I'm just asking about a couple of elements for this idea to reinstate the British Empire.
Well all you've said is "how about operation legacy".
Not sure what you're asking.
And I do refer to the New British Empire anyway. "Parsnips | |||
"It's clear that there's quite a few UK companies who have been pootling along just dealing with Europe and not trying to export elsewhere. Now they are being made to get some simple customs paperwork into shape, they will be setup much better for global exports. I think the future looks great for UK plc.
UK PLC? What happened to the British Empire?
UK plc is the throbbing pulse of the New British Empire
Let's see if we can stick to the comedy today bud.
This is good stuff.
Come on have some perspective chum. I quoted the Wikipedia article about a national broadcaster who I don't particularly listen to (I find him quite banal) in response to you comparing him to some far right goon squad.
Let's veer this back to the British Empire.
So how about Operation Legacy. If you want to reinstate the empire, you're going to have to address this.
Uh? You're free to start a thread with a specific question if you like, otherwise it's a bit like me posting a reply just saying "turnips"
Tbh, you relying ‘turnips’ would make more sense than your usual efforts
He has gone up 186% in my estimation.
In fairness. My question is specifically for Chris, so I don't want to start a thread about it.
I'm just asking about a couple of elements for this idea to reinstate the British Empire.
Well all you've said is "how about operation legacy".
Not sure what you're asking.
And I do refer to the New British Empire anyway. "I asking if Operation Legacy needs to be addressed. Does there need to be any action taken. Many of the potential subjects of the reinstated empire would have opinions about the atrocities committed in their occupied countries. Just wondering your opinion. I assume you've thought this through. | |||
"It's clear that there's quite a few UK companies who have been pootling along just dealing with Europe and not trying to export elsewhere. Now they are being made to get some simple customs paperwork into shape, they will be setup much better for global exports. I think the future looks great for UK plc. "That’s a very optimistic outlook and really depends on the industry and type of product. New markets / customers don’t just happen overnight, it takes time to develop. However, existing customers can stop overnight. This has happened to the car parts industry. The Germans are having a field day, mainly on products that they but from China and give the impression of made in Germany. Saying to buyers across Europe “those British brands are no longer interested in you, and it’s complicated to import now from UK, buy from us “. | |||
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"It's clear that there's quite a few UK companies who have been pootling along just dealing with Europe and not trying to export elsewhere. Now they are being made to get some simple customs paperwork into shape, they will be setup much better for global exports. I think the future looks great for UK plc.
That’s a very optimistic outlook and really depends on the industry and type of product. New markets / customers don’t just happen overnight, it takes time to develop. However, existing customers can stop overnight. This has happened to the car parts industry. The Germans are having a field day, mainly on products that they but from China and give the impression of made in Germany. Saying to buyers across Europe “those British brands are no longer interested in you, and it’s complicated to import now from UK, buy from us “.
"I'm very familiar with German components, and the OEs are not big users of Chinese sub assemblies at all. Germany have a big manufacturing base for the value adding stuff, but Europe is a declining market for them. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? " So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. | |||
"It's clear that there's quite a few UK companies who have been pootling along just dealing with Europe and not trying to export elsewhere. Now they are being made to get some simple customs paperwork into shape, they will be setup much better for global exports. I think the future looks great for UK plc.
That’s a very optimistic outlook and really depends on the industry and type of product. New markets / customers don’t just happen overnight, it takes time to develop. However, existing customers can stop overnight. This has happened to the car parts industry. The Germans are having a field day, mainly on products that they but from China and give the impression of made in Germany. Saying to buyers across Europe “those British brands are no longer interested in you, and it’s complicated to import now from UK, buy from us “.
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"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. " No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. " But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. " You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? " You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". | |||
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"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well" Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well" Fake news | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire"." When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.” | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire"." You're gonna have to give me a source for "what the rest of the world thinks", you can see how ridiculous that sounds, can't you? | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”" people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”" I'm sure he's a talented poet but he wasn't there either. He wouldn't even remember Thatcher lol. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". You're gonna have to give me a source for "what the rest of the world thinks", you can see how ridiculous that sounds, can't you? " Source: Rest of the world. Go forth and learn. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst " Why does it have to be the worst or only empire to warrant critisim? The OP is only mentioning the British Empire. So this is the one we're discussing. I'm really interested in history. So well up for a discussion on any of the above. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst " Chris is the one who keeps taking about Empire and the new British empire , we are just laughing at him | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". You're gonna have to give me a source for "what the rest of the world thinks", you can see how ridiculous that sounds, can't you? Source: Rest of the world. Go forth and learn. " I've asked and the rest of world has said that's bollocks | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". You're gonna have to give me a source for "what the rest of the world thinks", you can see how ridiculous that sounds, can't you? Source: Rest of the world. Go forth and learn. I've asked and the rest of world has said that's bollocks "What is bollocks? All I asked was if you're aware of how the rest of the world views the British empire. You're saying the answer is "bollocks" before saying what you think your own answer is.  | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". You're gonna have to give me a source for "what the rest of the world thinks", you can see how ridiculous that sounds, can't you? Source: Rest of the world. Go forth and learn. I've asked and the rest of world has said that's bollocks
What is bollocks?
All I asked was if you're aware of how the rest of the world views the British empire.
You're saying the answer is "bollocks" before saying what you think your own answer is.
"can I ask you what the rest of the world think about all the other empires then ? Or don’t they count | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". You're gonna have to give me a source for "what the rest of the world thinks", you can see how ridiculous that sounds, can't you? Source: Rest of the world. Go forth and learn. I've asked and the rest of world has said that's bollocks
What is bollocks?
All I asked was if you're aware of how the rest of the world views the British empire.
You're saying the answer is "bollocks" before saying what you think your own answer is.
can I ask you what the rest of the world think about all the other empires then ? Or don’t they count "Which one, which aspect of it? I might have some answers, and I might have to look some up. And would those answers somehow impact the OPs confusion around the British Empire and it's legacy? | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". You're gonna have to give me a source for "what the rest of the world thinks", you can see how ridiculous that sounds, can't you? Source: Rest of the world. Go forth and learn. I've asked and the rest of world has said that's bollocks
What is bollocks?
All I asked was if you're aware of how the rest of the world views the British empire.
You're saying the answer is "bollocks" before saying what you think your own answer is.
can I ask you what the rest of the world think about all the other empires then ? Or don’t they count
Which one, which aspect of it? I might have some answers, and I might have to look some up.
And would those answers somehow impact the OPs confusion around the British Empire and it's legacy? "when you say the rest of the world you’ve got to remember half the bloody world has had an empire themselves of some sort | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". You're gonna have to give me a source for "what the rest of the world thinks", you can see how ridiculous that sounds, can't you? Source: Rest of the world. Go forth and learn. I've asked and the rest of world has said that's bollocks
What is bollocks?
All I asked was if you're aware of how the rest of the world views the British empire.
You're saying the answer is "bollocks" before saying what you think your own answer is.
can I ask you what the rest of the world think about all the other empires then ? Or don’t they count
Which one, which aspect of it? I might have some answers, and I might have to look some up.
And would those answers somehow impact the OPs confusion around the British Empire and it's legacy? when you say the rest of the world you’ve got to remember half the bloody world has had an empire themselves of some sort "Right. The OP is specifically talking about the British Empire, so this is what I am asking him about. If I put in a disclaimer listing every empire that's ever existed, and added a critique to it, it would be a lot of irrelevant text. However I am up for a discussion on any of them, either in context of the British Empire, or just on their own. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.” I'm sure he's a talented poet but he wasn't there either. He wouldn't even remember Thatcher lol. " We read books...or not which explains a lot here. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.” I'm sure he's a talented poet but he wasn't there either. He wouldn't even remember Thatcher lol. We read books...or not which explains a lot here."
Natives By Akala is a good starting point for anyone interested in the legacy of the British Empire. | |||
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"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. " If we can invent a weapon that nobody else has or can repel then yes we are , well & truly on the comeback trail. America first to yield! | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? " Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst " I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. " Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you | |||
"British empire died in Hong Kong in 1997. "not until we get rid of Gibraltar and the falklands it’s not lol | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.” I'm sure he's a talented poet but he wasn't there either. He wouldn't even remember Thatcher lol. We read books...or not which explains a lot here.
Natives By Akala is a good starting point for anyone interested in the legacy of the British Empire."Imperial Legacies by Jeremy Black is a much more learned tome | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you " So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. If we can invent a weapon that nobody else has or can repel then yes we are , well & truly on the comeback trail. America first to yield! " Bwahaha you got to get here first . Can't make a country yield without boots on the ground. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.” I'm sure he's a talented poet but he wasn't there either. He wouldn't even remember Thatcher lol. We read books...or not which explains a lot here.
Natives By Akala is a good starting point for anyone interested in the legacy of the British Empire.
Imperial Legacies by Jeremy Black is a much more learned tome "I'll read it if you read Natives. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.” I'm sure he's a talented poet but he wasn't there either. He wouldn't even remember Thatcher lol. We read books...or not which explains a lot here.
Natives By Akala is a good starting point for anyone interested in the legacy of the British Empire.
Imperial Legacies by Jeremy Black is a much more learned tome "https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/2019/aug/10/imperial-legacies-jeremy-black-review-empire-multiculturalism 2 stars | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. " you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. If we can invent a weapon that nobody else has or can repel then yes we are , well & truly on the comeback trail. America first to yield! Bwahaha you got to get here first . Can't make a country yield without boots on the ground. "piss off remember the last time we tried that lol | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.” I'm sure he's a talented poet but he wasn't there either. He wouldn't even remember Thatcher lol. We read books...or not which explains a lot here.
Natives By Akala is a good starting point for anyone interested in the legacy of the British Empire.
Imperial Legacies by Jeremy Black is a much more learned tome
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/2019/aug/10/imperial-legacies-jeremy-black-review-empire-multiculturalism
2 stars ""Rightwing identity politics that reject multiculturalism lie behind this attempt to relativise colonial excesses and rebut criticism of empire" I'd still read it though. Meanwhile Natives, Sunday times best seller. Is even in the Torygraph book section. https://books.telegraph.co.uk/Product/Akala/Natives--Race-and-Class-in-the-Ruins-of-Empire---The-Sund/22760353 | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. If we can invent a weapon that nobody else has or can repel then yes we are , well & truly on the comeback trail. America first to yield! Bwahaha you got to get here first . Can't make a country yield without boots on the ground. piss off remember the last time we tried that lol"Yes I do damn your imperialism for attacking the Capital you insurrectionists. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you " The OP hijacked his own thread with waffle about the empire? Well I do agree with you there. But it's fun to ask him questions about it. | |||
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"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you The OP hijacked his own thread with waffle about the empire? Well I do agree with you there. But it's fun to ask him questions about it. " when’s the last time a thread wasn’t hijacked tho I always have to go to the top to see what it’s about lol | |||
"Natives sounds rubbish tbh. He doesn't understand the definitions of political correctness or multiculturalism. Oh and he defends the Chinese government. I will stick with peer respected academics ta. " ‘Rightwing identity politics that reject multiculturalism lie behind this attempt to relativise colonial excesses and rebut criticism of empire" | |||
"Natives sounds rubbish tbh. He doesn't understand the definitions of political correctness or multiculturalism. Oh and he defends the Chinese government. I will stick with peer respected academics ta. " Have you read it? If you have. Genuinely impressed. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you The OP hijacked his own thread with waffle about the empire? Well I do agree with you there. But it's fun to ask him questions about it. when’s the last time a thread wasn’t hijacked tho I always have to go to the top to see what it’s about lol " Standard.  | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. If we can invent a weapon that nobody else has or can repel then yes we are , well & truly on the comeback trail. America first to yield! Bwahaha you got to get here first . Can't make a country yield without boots on the ground. piss off remember the last time we tried that lol
Yes I do damn your imperialism for attacking the Capital you insurrectionists. "you lot attacked your own capital a few weeks ago so shhhhh lol | |||
"Natives sounds rubbish tbh. He doesn't understand the definitions of political correctness or multiculturalism. Oh and he defends the Chinese government. I will stick with peer respected academics ta. Have you read it? If you have. Genuinely impressed. " iv read cat in the hat recommended by 50cent lol | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you " I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? " Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? " I will stay out this history discussion. This a pandora's box thread | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? " Indeed, all of us enjoying the fruits of the empire are to a degree hypocritical, none of us are sending the majority of our wages to India, as an example. But no one here has been criticising the Empire, we're just asking the OP questions? I'm not sure I agree that complacency and ignorance some how less hypocritical than being aware of history, and have an understanding of what happened in the past. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. " OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? I will stay out this history discussion. This a pandora's box thread "Stick your oar in anytime. | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? Indeed, all of us enjoying the fruits of the empire are to a degree hypocritical, none of us are sending the majority of our wages to India, as an example. But no one here has been criticising the Empire, we're just asking the OP questions? I'm not sure I agree that complacency and ignorance some how less hypocritical than being aware of history, and have an understanding of what happened in the past." So you're not criticising The Empire? Okey dokey then | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? I will stay out this history discussion. This a pandora's box thread
Stick your oar in anytime."Nah you doing great as usual. I would just be accused of UK bashing. | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Fake news " dunno, might be an insolvency consultant? | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Fake news dunno, might be an insolvency consultant?" Ah yeah, that explains it. | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? Indeed, all of us enjoying the fruits of the empire are to a degree hypocritical, none of us are sending the majority of our wages to India, as an example. But no one here has been criticising the Empire, we're just asking the OP questions? I'm not sure I agree that complacency and ignorance some how less hypocritical than being aware of history, and have an understanding of what happened in the past. So you're not criticising The Empire? Okey dokey then "
Some people just love a bit of self flagellation, it makes them feel somehow superior | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? Indeed, all of us enjoying the fruits of the empire are to a degree hypocritical, none of us are sending the majority of our wages to India, as an example. But no one here has been criticising the Empire, we're just asking the OP questions? I'm not sure I agree that complacency and ignorance some how less hypocritical than being aware of history, and have an understanding of what happened in the past. So you're not criticising The Empire? Okey dokey then "Thus far I haven't criticised or complimented the empire. I merely asked how you think the rest of the world views the legacy of the British empire. You keep bringing it up. So it seems fair game for some polite questions. | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? Indeed, all of us enjoying the fruits of the empire are to a degree hypocritical, none of us are sending the majority of our wages to India, as an example. But no one here has been criticising the Empire, we're just asking the OP questions? I'm not sure I agree that complacency and ignorance some how less hypocritical than being aware of history, and have an understanding of what happened in the past. So you're not criticising The Empire? Okey dokey then
Thus far I haven't criticised or complimented the empire.
I merely asked how you think the rest of the world views the legacy of the British empire.
You keep bringing it up. So it seems fair game for some polite questions."Like sticking a oar in a frozen pond | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? " Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. | |||
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"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. " Most people would suggest that the British response to the sl4ve rebellions that took place in Jamaica was less than optimal from a human rights perspective. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. Most people would suggest that the British response to the sl4ve rebellions that took place in Jamaica was less than optimal from a human rights perspective." I would say pretty much everything the imperialism did was less then optimal. But countries have to atone for sins of the father's now. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. Most people would suggest that the British response to the sl4ve rebellions that took place in Jamaica was less than optimal from a human rights perspective. I would say pretty much everything the imperialism did was less then optimal. But countries have to atone for sins of the father's now." That's a more complex question. Hiding from the facts of history doesn't seem like the right approach though. And calling for a return to those days seems even less preferable. | |||
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"How did windrush go?" Propeller | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. Most people would suggest that the British response to the sl4ve rebellions that took place in Jamaica was less than optimal from a human rights perspective. I would say pretty much everything the imperialism did was less then optimal. But countries have to atone for sins of the father's now. That's a more complex question. Hiding from the facts of history doesn't seem like the right approach though. And calling for a return to those days seems even less preferable. " People that forget history are doomed to repeat it. It eventually is brought up. But it gets skewed. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. Most people would suggest that the British response to the sl4ve rebellions that took place in Jamaica was less than optimal from a human rights perspective. I would say pretty much everything the imperialism did was less then optimal. But countries have to atone for sins of the father's now. That's a more complex question. Hiding from the facts of history doesn't seem like the right approach though. And calling for a return to those days seems even less preferable. People that forget history are doomed to repeat it. It eventually is brought up. But it gets skewed." Truth. | |||
"How did windrush go? Propeller " Isnt that a hovercraft? | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. " OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts | |||
"Natives sounds rubbish tbh. He doesn't understand the definitions of political correctness or multiculturalism. Oh and he defends the Chinese government. I will stick with peer respected academics ta. " Akala is a peer respected academic. As mentioned earlier, it's hard for a non-peer respected academic to write a Sunday Times bestseller. Another peer respected academic is David Olusoga, OBE who is a noted historian. History is told by the winners. The omissions are of those who were negatively affected. I'd happily read Jeremy Black's book but we already know that version of events. | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? I will stay out this history discussion. This a pandora's box thread
Stick your oar in anytime.
Nah you doing great as usual. I would just be accused of UK bashing. "we have enough U.K. bashers here in the U.K. thanx and most of them U.K. born and bred lol | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts "Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great. | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? I will stay out this history discussion. This a pandora's box thread
Stick your oar in anytime.
Nah you doing great as usual. I would just be accused of UK bashing. we have enough U.K. bashers here in the U.K. thanx and most of them U.K. born and bred lol"Are there? Haven't seen any round here. Sure, anyone who discusses history seems to get accused of bashing the UK though. | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? I will stay out this history discussion. This a pandora's box thread
Stick your oar in anytime.
Nah you doing great as usual. I would just be accused of UK bashing. we have enough U.K. bashers here in the U.K. thanx and most of them U.K. born and bred lol
Are there?
Haven't seen any round here.
Sure, anyone who discusses history seems to get accused of bashing the UK though. "don’t mate ya sound as daft as fantastic when he says never seen a leave voter labelled a racist on here | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? I will stay out this history discussion. This a pandora's box thread
Stick your oar in anytime.
Nah you doing great as usual. I would just be accused of UK bashing. we have enough U.K. bashers here in the U.K. thanx and most of them U.K. born and bred lol
Are there?
Haven't seen any round here.
Sure, anyone who discusses history seems to get accused of bashing the UK though. don’t mate ya sound as daft as fantastic when he says never seen a leave voter labelled a racist on here "Standard  | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? I will stay out this history discussion. This a pandora's box thread
Stick your oar in anytime.
Nah you doing great as usual. I would just be accused of UK bashing. we have enough U.K. bashers here in the U.K. thanx and most of them U.K. born and bred lol
Are there?
Haven't seen any round here.
Sure, anyone who discusses history seems to get accused of bashing the UK though. don’t mate ya sound as daft as fantastic when he says never seen a leave voter labelled a racist on here "I haven’t, and if you have , then you should report it and not turn a blind eye to it. | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? I will stay out this history discussion. This a pandora's box thread
Stick your oar in anytime.
Nah you doing great as usual. I would just be accused of UK bashing. we have enough U.K. bashers here in the U.K. thanx and most of them U.K. born and bred lol
Are there?
Haven't seen any round here.
Sure, anyone who discusses history seems to get accused of bashing the UK though. don’t mate ya sound as daft as fantastic when he says never seen a leave voter labelled a racist on here
I haven’t, and if you have , then you should report it and not turn a blind eye to it. "howayste ya know me by now I’m not the reporting type that’s a wankers trick lol | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? I will stay out this history discussion. This a pandora's box thread
Stick your oar in anytime.
Nah you doing great as usual. I would just be accused of UK bashing. we have enough U.K. bashers here in the U.K. thanx and most of them U.K. born and bred lol
Are there?
Haven't seen any round here.
Sure, anyone who discusses history seems to get accused of bashing the UK though. don’t mate ya sound as daft as fantastic when he says never seen a leave voter labelled a racist on here
I haven’t, and if you have , then you should report it and not turn a blind eye to it. howayste ya know me by now I’m not the reporting type that’s a wankers trick lol"That is because you are thicked skinned.  | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? I will stay out this history discussion. This a pandora's box thread
Stick your oar in anytime.
Nah you doing great as usual. I would just be accused of UK bashing. we have enough U.K. bashers here in the U.K. thanx and most of them U.K. born and bred lol
Are there?
Haven't seen any round here.
Sure, anyone who discusses history seems to get accused of bashing the UK though. don’t mate ya sound as daft as fantastic when he says never seen a leave voter labelled a racist on here
I haven’t, and if you have , then you should report it and not turn a blind eye to it. howayste ya know me by now I’m not the reporting type that’s a wankers trick lol
That is because you are thicked skinned. "pmsl I think you mean just thick | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? I will stay out this history discussion. This a pandora's box thread
Stick your oar in anytime.
Nah you doing great as usual. I would just be accused of UK bashing. we have enough U.K. bashers here in the U.K. thanx and most of them U.K. born and bred lol
Are there?
Haven't seen any round here.
Sure, anyone who discusses history seems to get accused of bashing the UK though. don’t mate ya sound as daft as fantastic when he says never seen a leave voter labelled a racist on here
I haven’t, and if you have , then you should report it and not turn a blind eye to it. howayste ya know me by now I’m not the reporting type that’s a wankers trick lol
That is because you are thicked skinned. pmsl I think you mean just thick "Lol no | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? I will stay out this history discussion. This a pandora's box thread
Stick your oar in anytime.
Nah you doing great as usual. I would just be accused of UK bashing. we have enough U.K. bashers here in the U.K. thanx and most of them U.K. born and bred lol
Are there?
Haven't seen any round here.
Sure, anyone who discusses history seems to get accused of bashing the UK though. don’t mate ya sound as daft as fantastic when he says never seen a leave voter labelled a racist on here
I haven’t, and if you have , then you should report it and not turn a blind eye to it. howayste ya know me by now I’m not the reporting type that’s a wankers trick lol
That is because you are thicked skinned. pmsl I think you mean just thick
Lol no "iv been banned a few times in here and always thought wtf have I been banned for who are these loonies who report someone it’s just not something I could bring meself to do ever | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? I will stay out this history discussion. This a pandora's box thread
Stick your oar in anytime.
Nah you doing great as usual. I would just be accused of UK bashing. we have enough U.K. bashers here in the U.K. thanx and most of them U.K. born and bred lol
Are there?
Haven't seen any round here.
Sure, anyone who discusses history seems to get accused of bashing the UK though. don’t mate ya sound as daft as fantastic when he says never seen a leave voter labelled a racist on here
I haven’t, and if you have , then you should report it and not turn a blind eye to it. howayste ya know me by now I’m not the reporting type that’s a wankers trick lol
That is because you are thicked skinned. pmsl I think you mean just thick
Lol no iv been banned a few times in here and always thought wtf have I been banned for who are these loonies who report someone it’s just not something I could bring meself to do ever "What do you need to do to be banned? | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? I will stay out this history discussion. This a pandora's box thread
Stick your oar in anytime.
Nah you doing great as usual. I would just be accused of UK bashing. we have enough U.K. bashers here in the U.K. thanx and most of them U.K. born and bred lol
Are there?
Haven't seen any round here.
Sure, anyone who discusses history seems to get accused of bashing the UK though. don’t mate ya sound as daft as fantastic when he says never seen a leave voter labelled a racist on here
I haven’t, and if you have , then you should report it and not turn a blind eye to it. howayste ya know me by now I’m not the reporting type that’s a wankers trick lol
That is because you are thicked skinned. pmsl I think you mean just thick
Lol no iv been banned a few times in here and always thought wtf have I been banned for who are these loonies who report someone it’s just not something I could bring meself to do ever
What do you need to do to be banned?"mate you know how I talk on here I’m fucked if I know I asked admin could they take a look at my posts and let me know what was wrong with them never got a reply there’s a shock lol if people feel the need to get people banned that says more about them than me but that’s just my opinion if iv ever offended anyone on here I’d be happy for them to let me know amd I’d gladly apologise to them | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? I will stay out this history discussion. This a pandora's box thread
Stick your oar in anytime.
Nah you doing great as usual. I would just be accused of UK bashing. we have enough U.K. bashers here in the U.K. thanx and most of them U.K. born and bred lol
Are there?
Haven't seen any round here.
Sure, anyone who discusses history seems to get accused of bashing the UK though. don’t mate ya sound as daft as fantastic when he says never seen a leave voter labelled a racist on here
I haven’t, and if you have , then you should report it and not turn a blind eye to it. howayste ya know me by now I’m not the reporting type that’s a wankers trick lol
That is because you are thicked skinned. pmsl I think you mean just thick
Lol no iv been banned a few times in here and always thought wtf have I been banned for who are these loonies who report someone it’s just not something I could bring meself to do ever
What do you need to do to be banned?mate you know how I talk on here I’m fucked if I know I asked admin could they take a look at my posts and let me know what was wrong with them never got a reply there’s a shock lol if people feel the need to get people banned that says more about them than me but that’s just my opinion if iv ever offended anyone on here I’d be happy for them to let me know amd I’d gladly apologise to them "You usually can scroll through your private messages and figure who it might be. If they ranting insanely it is a pretty good basis to start from. | |||
"Aren't the lives we are leading now the legacy of the British Empire? Our privileged lives in a rich country is absolutely part of the story of the legacy of the British empire. But it's not the whole story. Well you're free to give it up any time you like if it bothers you So my options are. A. Learn history and leave the UK. B. Not learn about history, remain ignorant and stay. Does this apply to every citizen? Learn history by all means but the empire was built in different times by different people. Is it not a tad hypocritical to now criticise it while enjoying the fruits of it? I will stay out this history discussion. This a pandora's box thread
Stick your oar in anytime.
Nah you doing great as usual. I would just be accused of UK bashing. we have enough U.K. bashers here in the U.K. thanx and most of them U.K. born and bred lol
Are there?
Haven't seen any round here.
Sure, anyone who discusses history seems to get accused of bashing the UK though. don’t mate ya sound as daft as fantastic when he says never seen a leave voter labelled a racist on here
I haven’t, and if you have , then you should report it and not turn a blind eye to it. howayste ya know me by now I’m not the reporting type that’s a wankers trick lol
That is because you are thicked skinned. pmsl I think you mean just thick
Lol no iv been banned a few times in here and always thought wtf have I been banned for who are these loonies who report someone it’s just not something I could bring meself to do ever
What do you need to do to be banned?mate you know how I talk on here I’m fucked if I know I asked admin could they take a look at my posts and let me know what was wrong with them never got a reply there’s a shock lol if people feel the need to get people banned that says more about them than me but that’s just my opinion if iv ever offended anyone on here I’d be happy for them to let me know amd I’d gladly apologise to them
You usually can scroll through your private messages and figure who it might be. If they ranting insanely it is a pretty good basis to start from."Iv not been banned privately only on this forum I’m not to bothered like iv said it’s not something I could do but if it floats there boat crack on enjoy obviously not getting there kicks at home | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts
Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great."So I promised I would read a couple of books about Jamaica last night. I’d have to say the first thing that leaps out of me was that the indigenous people were wiped out when Christopher Columbus arrived in 1494. The Spanish Empire then started trafficking people from Africa. I know there’s a big current research effort going on in the Americas to try and establish what happened during the formation of the New World, hence the spread of estimates is pretty wide, the highest figure I’ve seen is that (mainly, not exclusively) Spain wiped out about 70 million native people from 1494 onwards. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts
Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great.
So I promised I would read a couple of books about Jamaica last night. I’d have to say the first thing that leaps out of me was that the indigenous people were wiped out when Christopher Columbus arrived in 1494. The Spanish Empire then started trafficking people from Africa.
I know there’s a big current research effort going on in the Americas to try and establish what happened during the formation of the New World, hence the spread of estimates is pretty wide, the highest figure I’ve seen is that (mainly, not exclusively) Spain wiped out about 70 million native people from 1494 onwards."You read 2 books last night? | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts
Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great.
So I promised I would read a couple of books about Jamaica last night. I’d have to say the first thing that leaps out of me was that the indigenous people were wiped out when Christopher Columbus arrived in 1494. The Spanish Empire then started trafficking people from Africa.
I know there’s a big current research effort going on in the Americas to try and establish what happened during the formation of the New World, hence the spread of estimates is pretty wide, the highest figure I’ve seen is that (mainly, not exclusively) Spain wiped out about 70 million native people from 1494 onwards.
You read 2 books last night? "And the results are in. "What British empire? no, look over there, here's something else". Shocker | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts
Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great.
So I promised I would read a couple of books about Jamaica last night. I’d have to say the first thing that leaps out of me was that the indigenous people were wiped out when Christopher Columbus arrived in 1494. The Spanish Empire then started trafficking people from Africa.
I know there’s a big current research effort going on in the Americas to try and establish what happened during the formation of the New World, hence the spread of estimates is pretty wide, the highest figure I’ve seen is that (mainly, not exclusively) Spain wiped out about 70 million native people from 1494 onwards.
You read 2 books last night? "Yeah not many orgies to go to at the mo  | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts
Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great.
So I promised I would read a couple of books about Jamaica last night. I’d have to say the first thing that leaps out of me was that the indigenous people were wiped out when Christopher Columbus arrived in 1494. The Spanish Empire then started trafficking people from Africa.
I know there’s a big current research effort going on in the Americas to try and establish what happened during the formation of the New World, hence the spread of estimates is pretty wide, the highest figure I’ve seen is that (mainly, not exclusively) Spain wiped out about 70 million native people from 1494 onwards.
You read 2 books last night?
And the results are in. "What British empire? no, look over there, here's something else".
Shocker
"Don’t worry I shall move on with my learnings about Jamaica, didn’t want to bore you with a big long post | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts
Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great.
So I promised I would read a couple of books about Jamaica last night. I’d have to say the first thing that leaps out of me was that the indigenous people were wiped out when Christopher Columbus arrived in 1494. The Spanish Empire then started trafficking people from Africa.
I know there’s a big current research effort going on in the Americas to try and establish what happened during the formation of the New World, hence the spread of estimates is pretty wide, the highest figure I’ve seen is that (mainly, not exclusively) Spain wiped out about 70 million native people from 1494 onwards.
You read 2 books last night?
Yeah not many orgies to go to at the mo "Which book did you prefer, Mr Silly or Mr Daydream ? | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts
Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great.
So I promised I would read a couple of books about Jamaica last night. I’d have to say the first thing that leaps out of me was that the indigenous people were wiped out when Christopher Columbus arrived in 1494. The Spanish Empire then started trafficking people from Africa.
I know there’s a big current research effort going on in the Americas to try and establish what happened during the formation of the New World, hence the spread of estimates is pretty wide, the highest figure I’ve seen is that (mainly, not exclusively) Spain wiped out about 70 million native people from 1494 onwards.
You read 2 books last night?
And the results are in. "What British empire? no, look over there, here's something else".
Shocker
Don’t worry I shall move on with my learnings about Jamaica, didn’t want to bore you with a big long post "You never bore me. I can confirm. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts
Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great.
So I promised I would read a couple of books about Jamaica last night. I’d have to say the first thing that leaps out of me was that the indigenous people were wiped out when Christopher Columbus arrived in 1494. The Spanish Empire then started trafficking people from Africa.
I know there’s a big current research effort going on in the Americas to try and establish what happened during the formation of the New World, hence the spread of estimates is pretty wide, the highest figure I’ve seen is that (mainly, not exclusively) Spain wiped out about 70 million native people from 1494 onwards.
You read 2 books last night?
And the results are in. "What British empire? no, look over there, here's something else".
Shocker
Don’t worry I shall move on with my learnings about Jamaica, didn’t want to bore you with a big long post
You never bore me. I can confirm."The British took over in 1655 and everything went great after that. The end. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts
Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great.
So I promised I would read a couple of books about Jamaica last night. I’d have to say the first thing that leaps out of me was that the indigenous people were wiped out when Christopher Columbus arrived in 1494. The Spanish Empire then started trafficking people from Africa.
I know there’s a big current research effort going on in the Americas to try and establish what happened during the formation of the New World, hence the spread of estimates is pretty wide, the highest figure I’ve seen is that (mainly, not exclusively) Spain wiped out about 70 million native people from 1494 onwards.
You read 2 books last night?
And the results are in. "What British empire? no, look over there, here's something else".
Shocker
Don’t worry I shall move on with my learnings about Jamaica, didn’t want to bore you with a big long post
You never bore me. I can confirm.
The British took over in 1655 and everything went great after that. The end. "So great that they wanted to become independent in 1962. | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? " Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts
Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great.
So I promised I would read a couple of books about Jamaica last night. I’d have to say the first thing that leaps out of me was that the indigenous people were wiped out when Christopher Columbus arrived in 1494. The Spanish Empire then started trafficking people from Africa.
I know there’s a big current research effort going on in the Americas to try and establish what happened during the formation of the New World, hence the spread of estimates is pretty wide, the highest figure I’ve seen is that (mainly, not exclusively) Spain wiped out about 70 million native people from 1494 onwards.
You read 2 books last night?
And the results are in. "What British empire? no, look over there, here's something else".
Shocker
Don’t worry I shall move on with my learnings about Jamaica, didn’t want to bore you with a big long post
You never bore me. I can confirm.
The British took over in 1655 and everything went great after that. The end. "Mass execution of sl4ves who revolted is "great"? Interesting stance. | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken" You definitely did say it | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Fake news " No it is FACT but you no doubt hate the truth if it does not fit into you small little way of thinking | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken" Seeing as it was years ago, and I have no intention of trying to find the post. Let's move on. We can focus on your pro brexit posts. Which is more fun. | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken You definitely did say it " If so they must have deserved it as they where no doubt the nasty type of remoaners who are no more than nazis | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Fake news No it is FACT but you no doubt hate the truth if it does not fit into you small little way of thinking" My friend says that your friend is lying. I also have ‘2 friends’ who voted leave and now think Brexit is shit and wished they voted to remain. What does any of this mean | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken You definitely did say it If so they must have deserved it as they where no doubt the nasty type of remoaners who are no more than nazis" | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken You definitely did say it If so they must have deserved it as they where no doubt the nasty type of remoaners who are no more than nazis" So people who voted against ruining the country are Nazis. Shocking news (if true). | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts
Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great.
So I promised I would read a couple of books about Jamaica last night. I’d have to say the first thing that leaps out of me was that the indigenous people were wiped out when Christopher Columbus arrived in 1494. The Spanish Empire then started trafficking people from Africa.
I know there’s a big current research effort going on in the Americas to try and establish what happened during the formation of the New World, hence the spread of estimates is pretty wide, the highest figure I’ve seen is that (mainly, not exclusively) Spain wiped out about 70 million native people from 1494 onwards.
You read 2 books last night?
And the results are in. "What British empire? no, look over there, here's something else".
Shocker
Don’t worry I shall move on with my learnings about Jamaica, didn’t want to bore you with a big long post
You never bore me. I can confirm.
The British took over in 1655 and everything went great after that. The end.
Mass execution of sl4ves who revolted is "great"?
Interesting stance."If you’re referring to the Morant Bay rebellion of 1865 then of course the trade had been abolished by then. Still a bad do, but let’s stick to the facts please. | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken You definitely did say it If so they must have deserved it as they where no doubt the nasty type of remoaners who are no more than nazis" You did say it.. You lost it in a debate about brexit and it was toward remain voters per se.. I doubt your so vile to do it but you definitely said it and it was not a good impression for an adult.. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts
Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great.
So I promised I would read a couple of books about Jamaica last night. I’d have to say the first thing that leaps out of me was that the indigenous people were wiped out when Christopher Columbus arrived in 1494. The Spanish Empire then started trafficking people from Africa.
I know there’s a big current research effort going on in the Americas to try and establish what happened during the formation of the New World, hence the spread of estimates is pretty wide, the highest figure I’ve seen is that (mainly, not exclusively) Spain wiped out about 70 million native people from 1494 onwards.
You read 2 books last night?
And the results are in. "What British empire? no, look over there, here's something else".
Shocker
Don’t worry I shall move on with my learnings about Jamaica, didn’t want to bore you with a big long post
You never bore me. I can confirm.
The British took over in 1655 and everything went great after that. The end.
Mass execution of sl4ves who revolted is "great"?
Interesting stance.
If you’re referring to the Morant Bay rebellion of 1865 then of course the trade had been abolished by then. Still a bad do, but let’s stick to the facts please. "The Baptist war in 1831. However your now arguing that there being sl4ves in Jamaica, after sl4very was abolished, is "great". Your arguments are getting more bizarre by the minute. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts
Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great.
So I promised I would read a couple of books about Jamaica last night. I’d have to say the first thing that leaps out of me was that the indigenous people were wiped out when Christopher Columbus arrived in 1494. The Spanish Empire then started trafficking people from Africa.
I know there’s a big current research effort going on in the Americas to try and establish what happened during the formation of the New World, hence the spread of estimates is pretty wide, the highest figure I’ve seen is that (mainly, not exclusively) Spain wiped out about 70 million native people from 1494 onwards.
You read 2 books last night?
And the results are in. "What British empire? no, look over there, here's something else".
Shocker
Don’t worry I shall move on with my learnings about Jamaica, didn’t want to bore you with a big long post
You never bore me. I can confirm.
The British took over in 1655 and everything went great after that. The end.
Mass execution of sl4ves who revolted is "great"?
Interesting stance.
If you’re referring to the Morant Bay rebellion of 1865 then of course the trade had been abolished by then. Still a bad do, but let’s stick to the facts please.
The Baptist war in 1831.
However your now arguing that there being sl4ves in Jamaica, after sl4very was abolished, is "great".
Your arguments are getting more bizarre by the minute. "Eh that doesn’t make any sense, it was abolished in 1836. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts
Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great.
So I promised I would read a couple of books about Jamaica last night. I’d have to say the first thing that leaps out of me was that the indigenous people were wiped out when Christopher Columbus arrived in 1494. The Spanish Empire then started trafficking people from Africa.
I know there’s a big current research effort going on in the Americas to try and establish what happened during the formation of the New World, hence the spread of estimates is pretty wide, the highest figure I’ve seen is that (mainly, not exclusively) Spain wiped out about 70 million native people from 1494 onwards.
You read 2 books last night?
And the results are in. "What British empire? no, look over there, here's something else".
Shocker
Don’t worry I shall move on with my learnings about Jamaica, didn’t want to bore you with a big long post
You never bore me. I can confirm.
The British took over in 1655 and everything went great after that. The end.
Mass execution of sl4ves who revolted is "great"?
Interesting stance.
If you’re referring to the Morant Bay rebellion of 1865 then of course the trade had been abolished by then. Still a bad do, but let’s stick to the facts please.
The Baptist war in 1831.
However your now arguing that there being sl4ves in Jamaica, after sl4very was abolished, is "great".
Your arguments are getting more bizarre by the minute.
Eh that doesn’t make any sense, it was abolished in 1836.
"Then why are you talking about sl4very in 1865. We're looking at what you're trying to suggest is "great". | |||
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"There are interesting parallels with examples like the French involvement with Iran in the 1970s I gave. On a much larger scale, the situation re trafficking in the Americas was fukked by the Spanish from 1494 onwards. As even black history professors have said, the British Empire didn’t start the trade, in fact the vast majority of the trafficked people were already in Jamaica when the British took over, but we were the first - by a long way - to end it. Some of the history of the bravery of the Navy gunboats off Africa forcing other nations ships to turn around are worth reading about as well." Just so my position is clear. I opposite your calls for a return to those days. To the British involvement of the sl4ve trade. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. Most people would suggest that the British response to the sl4ve rebellions that took place in Jamaica was less than optimal from a human rights perspective. I would say pretty much everything the imperialism did was less then optimal. But countries have to atone for sins of the father's now." Not all, you try mentioning Germany and the war. | |||
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"There are interesting parallels with examples like the French involvement with Iran in the 1970s I gave. On a much larger scale, the situation re trafficking in the Americas was fukked by the Spanish from 1494 onwards. As even black history professors have said, the British Empire didn’t start the trade, in fact the vast majority of the trafficked people were already in Jamaica when the British took over, but we were the first - by a long way - to end it. Some of the history of the bravery of the Navy gunboats off Africa forcing other nations ships to turn around are worth reading about as well. Just so my position is clear. I opposite your calls for a return to those days. To the British involvement of the sl4ve trade. " Uh? You wish Britain hadn’t ended the trade? That’s appalling. | |||
"There are interesting parallels with examples like the French involvement with Iran in the 1970s I gave. On a much larger scale, the situation re trafficking in the Americas was fukked by the Spanish from 1494 onwards. As even black history professors have said, the British Empire didn’t start the trade, in fact the vast majority of the trafficked people were already in Jamaica when the British took over, but we were the first - by a long way - to end it. Some of the history of the bravery of the Navy gunboats off Africa forcing other nations ships to turn around are worth reading about as well. Just so my position is clear. I opposite your calls for a return to those days. To the British involvement of the sl4ve trade. Uh? You wish Britain hadn’t ended the trade? That’s appalling. " If you're going to be appalled. Don't do it for reasons you made up. Just as a reminder. I am opposed to sl4very and oppose the suggestion to return to those days. You're the one putting forward the argument in favour. | |||
"There are interesting parallels with examples like the French involvement with Iran in the 1970s I gave. On a much larger scale, the situation re trafficking in the Americas was fukked by the Spanish from 1494 onwards. As even black history professors have said, the British Empire didn’t start the trade, in fact the vast majority of the trafficked people were already in Jamaica when the British took over, but we were the first - by a long way - to end it. Some of the history of the bravery of the Navy gunboats off Africa forcing other nations ships to turn around are worth reading about as well. Just so my position is clear. I opposite your calls for a return to those days. To the British involvement of the sl4ve trade. Uh? You wish Britain hadn’t ended the trade? That’s appalling. If you're going to be appalled. Don't do it for reasons you made up. Just as a reminder. I am opposed to sl4very and oppose the suggestion to return to those days. You're the one putting forward the argument in favour." Blimey let me just check.... Nope haven’t said anything like that. You’re d*unk. | |||
"There are interesting parallels with examples like the French involvement with Iran in the 1970s I gave. On a much larger scale, the situation re trafficking in the Americas was fukked by the Spanish from 1494 onwards. As even black history professors have said, the British Empire didn’t start the trade, in fact the vast majority of the trafficked people were already in Jamaica when the British took over, but we were the first - by a long way - to end it. Some of the history of the bravery of the Navy gunboats off Africa forcing other nations ships to turn around are worth reading about as well. Just so my position is clear. I opposite your calls for a return to those days. To the British involvement of the sl4ve trade. Uh? You wish Britain hadn’t ended the trade? That’s appalling. If you're going to be appalled. Don't do it for reasons you made up. Just as a reminder. I am opposed to sl4very and oppose the suggestion to return to those days. You're the one putting forward the argument in favour. Blimey let me just check.... Nope haven’t said anything like that. You’re d*unk. " Must be someone else banging on and on about returning to the British Empire. Could have sworn it was you. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts
Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great.
So I promised I would read a couple of books about Jamaica last night. I’d have to say the first thing that leaps out of me was that the indigenous people were wiped out when Christopher Columbus arrived in 1494. The Spanish Empire then started trafficking people from Africa.
I know there’s a big current research effort going on in the Americas to try and establish what happened during the formation of the New World, hence the spread of estimates is pretty wide, the highest figure I’ve seen is that (mainly, not exclusively) Spain wiped out about 70 million native people from 1494 onwards.
You read 2 books last night?
And the results are in. "What British empire? no, look over there, here's something else".
Shocker
Don’t worry I shall move on with my learnings about Jamaica, didn’t want to bore you with a big long post
You never bore me. I can confirm.
The British took over in 1655 and everything went great after that. The end.
Mass execution of sl4ves who revolted is "great"?
Interesting stance.
If you’re referring to the Morant Bay rebellion of 1865 then of course the trade had been abolished by then. Still a bad do, but let’s stick to the facts please. "I'm glad you did your reading. But you left out some detail. Trade had been abolished but do you really think the plantation owners were happy about that? Come on... In the years leading up to the 1865 rebellion at Morant Bay, the British were fearful of uprising after what happened to the French in the Haitian revolution. Jamaica's people were "free" but the country still belonged to Britain and they wanted to keep it that way.
So a heavy poll tax was levied by colonial authorities which meant that less than 2,000 Jamaican men could vote out of a total 436,000 people living on the island at the time. The ratio between black and white people being 32:1.
Tensions were high which led to the rebellion. It started when a man was charged for trespassing on an abandoned plantation, highlighting the inequality of land ownership which still belonged to the British.
So while trade had "ended," not much actually changed. The problem with the history of Britain's empire is forgetting that it's linked to the countries they colonised. If you want a true and full account of the history of the British Empire, look at the countries that gained independence from them. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts
Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great.
So I promised I would read a couple of books about Jamaica last night. I’d have to say the first thing that leaps out of me was that the indigenous people were wiped out when Christopher Columbus arrived in 1494. The Spanish Empire then started trafficking people from Africa.
I know there’s a big current research effort going on in the Americas to try and establish what happened during the formation of the New World, hence the spread of estimates is pretty wide, the highest figure I’ve seen is that (mainly, not exclusively) Spain wiped out about 70 million native people from 1494 onwards.
You read 2 books last night?
And the results are in. "What British empire? no, look over there, here's something else".
Shocker
Don’t worry I shall move on with my learnings about Jamaica, didn’t want to bore you with a big long post
You never bore me. I can confirm.
The British took over in 1655 and everything went great after that. The end.
Mass execution of sl4ves who revolted is "great"?
Interesting stance.
If you’re referring to the Morant Bay rebellion of 1865 then of course the trade had been abolished by then. Still a bad do, but let’s stick to the facts please.
I'm glad you did your reading. But you left out some detail.
Trade had been abolished but do you really think the plantation owners were happy about that? Come on...
In the years leading up to the 1865 rebellion at Morant Bay, the British were fearful of uprising after what happened to the French in the Haitian revolution. Jamaica's people were "free" but the country still belonged to Britain and they wanted to keep it that way.
So a heavy poll tax was levied by colonial authorities which meant that less than 2,000 Jamaican men could vote out of a total 436,000 people living on the island at the time. The ratio between black and white people being 32:1.
Tensions were high which led to the rebellion. It started when a man was charged for trespassing on an abandoned plantation, highlighting the inequality of land ownership which still belonged to the British.
So while trade had "ended," not much actually changed. The problem with the history of Britain's empire is forgetting that it's linked to the countries they colonised. If you want a true and full account of the history of the British Empire, look at the countries that gained independence from them. "Thanks, I’m nodding along at the history right up until your last paragraph. Nobody’s forgetting about colonisation, the culture of Britain is very much entwined with that of the colonies. And bad things happened when Britain (incompetently) ran Jamaica, and bad things happened in periods after 1962 following independence. | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts
Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great.
So I promised I would read a couple of books about Jamaica last night. I’d have to say the first thing that leaps out of me was that the indigenous people were wiped out when Christopher Columbus arrived in 1494. The Spanish Empire then started trafficking people from Africa.
I know there’s a big current research effort going on in the Americas to try and establish what happened during the formation of the New World, hence the spread of estimates is pretty wide, the highest figure I’ve seen is that (mainly, not exclusively) Spain wiped out about 70 million native people from 1494 onwards.
You read 2 books last night?
And the results are in. "What British empire? no, look over there, here's something else".
Shocker
Don’t worry I shall move on with my learnings about Jamaica, didn’t want to bore you with a big long post
You never bore me. I can confirm.
The British took over in 1655 and everything went great after that. The end.
Mass execution of sl4ves who revolted is "great"?
Interesting stance.
If you’re referring to the Morant Bay rebellion of 1865 then of course the trade had been abolished by then. Still a bad do, but let’s stick to the facts please.
I'm glad you did your reading. But you left out some detail.
Trade had been abolished but do you really think the plantation owners were happy about that? Come on...
In the years leading up to the 1865 rebellion at Morant Bay, the British were fearful of uprising after what happened to the French in the Haitian revolution. Jamaica's people were "free" but the country still belonged to Britain and they wanted to keep it that way.
So a heavy poll tax was levied by colonial authorities which meant that less than 2,000 Jamaican men could vote out of a total 436,000 people living on the island at the time. The ratio between black and white people being 32:1.
Tensions were high which led to the rebellion. It started when a man was charged for trespassing on an abandoned plantation, highlighting the inequality of land ownership which still belonged to the British.
So while trade had "ended," not much actually changed. The problem with the history of Britain's empire is forgetting that it's linked to the countries they colonised. If you want a true and full account of the history of the British Empire, look at the countries that gained independence from them.
Thanks, I’m nodding along at the history right up until your last paragraph. Nobody’s forgetting about colonisation, the culture of Britain is very much entwined with that of the colonies. And bad things happened when Britain (incompetently) ran Jamaica, and bad things happened in periods after 1962 following independence."As you can see Empire means different things to different people. I feel it's sad that such things are not taught in schools. Again, I'm glad you did the reading. | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken You definitely did say it If so they must have deserved it as they where no doubt the nasty type of remoaners who are no more than nazis So people who voted against ruining the country are Nazis. Shocking news (if true)." people who voted against ruining the country ?does that mean you think people who voted leave voted to ruin there country then ? | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken You definitely did say it If so they must have deserved it as they where no doubt the nasty type of remoaners who are no more than nazis So people who voted against ruining the country are Nazis. Shocking news (if true).people who voted against ruining the country ?does that mean you think people who voted leave voted to ruin there country then ?" I dunno. I don't which piece of misinformation leavers voted for. You'd know better than me. But what's going on now, plus the endless list of brexit negatives, is what we voted against. | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken You definitely did say it If so they must have deserved it as they where no doubt the nasty type of remoaners who are no more than nazis So people who voted against ruining the country are Nazis. Shocking news (if true).people who voted against ruining the country ?does that mean you think people who voted leave voted to ruin there country then ? I dunno. I don't which piece of misinformation leavers voted for. You'd know better than me. But what's going on now, plus the endless list of brexit negatives, is what we voted against. " your better than that mate like you say what’s going on NOW maybe see where we are in a cpl yrs time then ya insults mite be warranted to say leaves voted to ruin the country is beneath you normally | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken You definitely did say it If so they must have deserved it as they where no doubt the nasty type of remoaners who are no more than nazis So people who voted against ruining the country are Nazis. Shocking news (if true).people who voted against ruining the country ?does that mean you think people who voted leave voted to ruin there country then ? I dunno. I don't which piece of misinformation leavers voted for. You'd know better than me. But what's going on now, plus the endless list of brexit negatives, is what we voted against. your better than that mate like you say what’s going on NOW maybe see where we are in a cpl yrs time then ya insults mite be warranted to say leaves voted to ruin the country is beneath you normally " Hang on. I haven't said anything. I specifically said, I don't know why people voted leave. Where is the evidence that things will be any better in 2-3 years? Brexiteers told us "there is no downside to brexit". Yet all we have us downside, and now some vague wait and see what will happen in a few years, with no indication of how these unspecified brexit upsides are going to happen. Which brexit campaigners said "Maybe a few years after brexit there will be some unspecified positives"? | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken You definitely did say it If so they must have deserved it as they where no doubt the nasty type of remoaners who are no more than nazis So people who voted against ruining the country are Nazis. Shocking news (if true).people who voted against ruining the country ?does that mean you think people who voted leave voted to ruin there country then ? I dunno. I don't which piece of misinformation leavers voted for. You'd know better than me. But what's going on now, plus the endless list of brexit negatives, is what we voted against. your better than that mate like you say what’s going on NOW maybe see where we are in a cpl yrs time then ya insults mite be warranted to say leaves voted to ruin the country is beneath you normally Hang on. I haven't said anything. I specifically said, I don't know why people voted leave. Where is the evidence that things will be any better in 2-3 years? Brexiteers told us "there is no downside to brexit". Yet all we have us downside, and now some vague wait and see what will happen in a few years, with no indication of how these unspecified brexit upsides are going to happen. Which brexit campaigners said "Maybe a few years after brexit there will be some unspecified positives"?" you hinted that leave voted to ruin the country mate just leave it iv got respect for you ya know that and there’s no evidence it will be great but there is a pandemic at the min that’s way more important and we are 6 weeks in to Brexit just hang fire a bit you may have more ammo or less to fire in time who knows and please don’t ask when we just don’t know we all want what’s best for the U.K. both sides whether you believe that or not | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken You definitely did say it If so they must have deserved it as they where no doubt the nasty type of remoaners who are no more than nazis So people who voted against ruining the country are Nazis. Shocking news (if true).people who voted against ruining the country ?does that mean you think people who voted leave voted to ruin there country then ? I dunno. I don't which piece of misinformation leavers voted for. You'd know better than me. But what's going on now, plus the endless list of brexit negatives, is what we voted against. your better than that mate like you say what’s going on NOW maybe see where we are in a cpl yrs time then ya insults mite be warranted to say leaves voted to ruin the country is beneath you normally " I think that is quite like him actually, the usual crew are pretty consistent in their refusal to listen to our reasoned explanations for our votes. | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken You definitely did say it If so they must have deserved it as they where no doubt the nasty type of remoaners who are no more than nazis So people who voted against ruining the country are Nazis. Shocking news (if true).people who voted against ruining the country ?does that mean you think people who voted leave voted to ruin there country then ? I dunno. I don't which piece of misinformation leavers voted for. You'd know better than me. But what's going on now, plus the endless list of brexit negatives, is what we voted against. your better than that mate like you say what’s going on NOW maybe see where we are in a cpl yrs time then ya insults mite be warranted to say leaves voted to ruin the country is beneath you normally I think that is quite like him actually, the usual crew are pretty consistent in their refusal to listen to our reasoned explanations for our votes. " I don't ask why people voted leave as it often causes offence for some reason. I've only seen two people explain their reasons for voting leave on this forum. Not saying more haven't explained it, but I haven't seen it. And I've certainly no clue why either of you decided to vote leave. If you want to tell, happy to listen. If you prefer not to, that's fine too. | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken You definitely did say it If so they must have deserved it as they where no doubt the nasty type of remoaners who are no more than nazis So people who voted against ruining the country are Nazis. Shocking news (if true).people who voted against ruining the country ?does that mean you think people who voted leave voted to ruin there country then ? I dunno. I don't which piece of misinformation leavers voted for. You'd know better than me. But what's going on now, plus the endless list of brexit negatives, is what we voted against. your better than that mate like you say what’s going on NOW maybe see where we are in a cpl yrs time then ya insults mite be warranted to say leaves voted to ruin the country is beneath you normally I think that is quite like him actually, the usual crew are pretty consistent in their refusal to listen to our reasoned explanations for our votes. I don't ask why people voted leave as it often causes offence for some reason. I've only seen two people explain their reasons for voting leave on this forum. Not saying more haven't explained it, but I haven't seen it. And I've certainly no clue why either of you decided to vote leave. If you want to tell, happy to listen. If you prefer not to, that's fine too. " I’ve explained it to you several times but you don’t like the answer so you stick your fingers in your ears. | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken You definitely did say it If so they must have deserved it as they where no doubt the nasty type of remoaners who are no more than nazis So people who voted against ruining the country are Nazis. Shocking news (if true).people who voted against ruining the country ?does that mean you think people who voted leave voted to ruin there country then ? I dunno. I don't which piece of misinformation leavers voted for. You'd know better than me. But what's going on now, plus the endless list of brexit negatives, is what we voted against. your better than that mate like you say what’s going on NOW maybe see where we are in a cpl yrs time then ya insults mite be warranted to say leaves voted to ruin the country is beneath you normally I think that is quite like him actually, the usual crew are pretty consistent in their refusal to listen to our reasoned explanations for our votes. I don't ask why people voted leave as it often causes offence for some reason. I've only seen two people explain their reasons for voting leave on this forum. Not saying more haven't explained it, but I haven't seen it. And I've certainly no clue why either of you decided to vote leave. If you want to tell, happy to listen. If you prefer not to, that's fine too. I’ve explained it to you several times but you don’t like the answer so you stick your fingers in your ears. "
Was is lobster based reasoning? | |||
"Ah OK, does it need to be addressed. Well everyone involved is dead so could be tricky. Mainly we're talking about clearing out a load of old paperwork. Apart from the Mau Mau, can't see much evidence of any grand conspiracy? If you check reputable historical sources, there's no question that compared to the scale of the task, post colonial countries fared far better with the orderly handover of government under Britain than they did under any other regime. Give me an example of a comparable country with a better handover legacy? So you're comfortable with evidence of atrocities being burned and covered up. Your the one advocating for a return to these times so trying to change the discussion to the handover during the twilight of the empire seems kinda strange. But hey ho. This tells me everything I needed to know about your attitude. No further questions. No I didn't and no I'm not. I didn't have high hopes of a worthwhile discussion tbh. But you're aware of what comes to mind for most of the world's population when you talk about the British Empire. And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy. I'm assuming you do. Then it seems reasonable to question your continuous assertions that the British Empire is on its way back. You surely don't believe you're empowered to speak for "most of the world's population" do you? You may have missed the "And I'm not talking about what you or I may think, but how the rest of the world sees the legacy". Just to clarify. I'm not talking about what you or I think. But what the rest of the world thinks when you say "British Empire". When I think of "Empire," I think of George the poet and he said: “Your forefathers grabbed my motherland, pinned her down and took turns. They did that every day for a couple hundred years and then left her to treat her own burns.”people make me howl on here you all talk like Rome France Spain Egypt Turkey China I could go on was Britain the only one that had an empire amd was it the worst I don't live in France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China. I live in the UK. My parents' country was colonised by the the UK. The Empire currently been talked about in this thread is the British Empire: the UK. Focus please. you stay focused mate the thread was about increasing exports no mention of the empire it was high jacked like a lot of threads on fab you can start a thread about your parents country anytime you like I was replying to a guy on here if that’s ok with you I don't consider the thread hijacked for something the OP quoted and has quoted in a number of his threads. As far as I'm concerned, the door's been opened so it's fair game. The OP seems happy enough responding and he didn't mention France, Spain, Egypt, Turkey or China either. We're all talking about the UK. OK you've said your parents country was colonised by Britain. Do you want to tell us more about that? Which country? How did it affect them? What was the country like before, what was it like after? Sure. Jamaica. The country as a whole is fine though could be better. They suffer from "brain drain" to countries like the US and UK due to lack of opportunities at home but efforts are being made to improve this. Still, for a tiny island, it gave the world good music, food and culture. Much of this enjoyed here in the UK. As far as the effects of colonisation, I would argue that the recent Windrush scandal was a kickback from the effects it had on the country. OK ta I shall read about Jamaica more deeply tonight and give you my thoughts
Do I want to know? I mean you're not peer respected academic, are you?
Just playing. I'll be honest, I'm not really here to change your mind. I just want you to acknowledge that "Empire" means different things to different people and it's not all great.
So I promised I would read a couple of books about Jamaica last night. I’d have to say the first thing that leaps out of me was that the indigenous people were wiped out when Christopher Columbus arrived in 1494. The Spanish Empire then started trafficking people from Africa.
I know there’s a big current research effort going on in the Americas to try and establish what happened during the formation of the New World, hence the spread of estimates is pretty wide, the highest figure I’ve seen is that (mainly, not exclusively) Spain wiped out about 70 million native people from 1494 onwards.
You read 2 books last night?
And the results are in. "What British empire? no, look over there, here's something else".
Shocker
Don’t worry I shall move on with my learnings about Jamaica, didn’t want to bore you with a big long post
You never bore me. I can confirm.
The British took over in 1655 and everything went great after that. The end.
Mass execution of sl4ves who revolted is "great"?
Interesting stance.
If you’re referring to the Morant Bay rebellion of 1865 then of course the trade had been abolished by then. Still a bad do, but let’s stick to the facts please.
I'm glad you did your reading. But you left out some detail.
Trade had been abolished but do you really think the plantation owners were happy about that? Come on...
In the years leading up to the 1865 rebellion at Morant Bay, the British were fearful of uprising after what happened to the French in the Haitian revolution. Jamaica's people were "free" but the country still belonged to Britain and they wanted to keep it that way.
So a heavy poll tax was levied by colonial authorities which meant that less than 2,000 Jamaican men could vote out of a total 436,000 people living on the island at the time. The ratio between black and white people being 32:1.
Tensions were high which led to the rebellion. It started when a man was charged for trespassing on an abandoned plantation, highlighting the inequality of land ownership which still belonged to the British.
So while trade had "ended," not much actually changed. The problem with the history of Britain's empire is forgetting that it's linked to the countries they colonised. If you want a true and full account of the history of the British Empire, look at the countries that gained independence from them.
Thanks, I’m nodding along at the history right up until your last paragraph. Nobody’s forgetting about colonisation, the culture of Britain is very much entwined with that of the colonies. And bad things happened when Britain (incompetently) ran Jamaica, and bad things happened in periods after 1962 following independence.
As you can see Empire means different things to different people. I feel it's sad that such things are not taught in schools. Again, I'm glad you did the reading. "Also interesting is the West Africa Squadron as I mentioned - From 1808 the British Empire at the cost of 2000 British lives stopped 1800 ships and freed 150,000 trafficked people over a period of about sixty years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Africa_Squadron And that’s not to mention the actions of the East Africa Squadron. It is estimated that The Empire spent far more on these squadrons than it ever made from the trade. Arguably it was the most “just” war ever fought in history. | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken You definitely did say it If so they must have deserved it as they where no doubt the nasty type of remoaners who are no more than nazis So people who voted against ruining the country are Nazis. Shocking news (if true).people who voted against ruining the country ?does that mean you think people who voted leave voted to ruin there country then ? I dunno. I don't which piece of misinformation leavers voted for. You'd know better than me. But what's going on now, plus the endless list of brexit negatives, is what we voted against. your better than that mate like you say what’s going on NOW maybe see where we are in a cpl yrs time then ya insults mite be warranted to say leaves voted to ruin the country is beneath you normally " "Couple of years" has just been bumped up to 10 years by Dominic Raab who suggested checking back in about 10 years to see if we start to see some kind of benefits. Nothing solid yet in terms of what we can look forward to, how we're going to get there or what these benefits might actually be. So we're still going on faith and believe in something unspecified, over information and what's actually happening in the real world. | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken You definitely did say it If so they must have deserved it as they where no doubt the nasty type of remoaners who are no more than nazis So people who voted against ruining the country are Nazis. Shocking news (if true).people who voted against ruining the country ?does that mean you think people who voted leave voted to ruin there country then ? I dunno. I don't which piece of misinformation leavers voted for. You'd know better than me. But what's going on now, plus the endless list of brexit negatives, is what we voted against. your better than that mate like you say what’s going on NOW maybe see where we are in a cpl yrs time then ya insults mite be warranted to say leaves voted to ruin the country is beneath you normally "Couple of years" has just been bumped up to 10 years by Dominic Raab who suggested checking back in about 10 years to see if we start to see some kind of benefits. Nothing solid yet in terms of what we can look forward to, how we're going to get there or what these benefits might actually be. So we're still going on faith and believe in something unspecified, over information and what's actually happening in the real world. " Oh well if Raab said it lol Love how remainers claim intellectual superiority y but are happy to quote any idiot who supports their argument | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken You definitely did say it If so they must have deserved it as they where no doubt the nasty type of remoaners who are no more than nazis So people who voted against ruining the country are Nazis. Shocking news (if true).people who voted against ruining the country ?does that mean you think people who voted leave voted to ruin there country then ? I dunno. I don't which piece of misinformation leavers voted for. You'd know better than me. But what's going on now, plus the endless list of brexit negatives, is what we voted against. your better than that mate like you say what’s going on NOW maybe see where we are in a cpl yrs time then ya insults mite be warranted to say leaves voted to ruin the country is beneath you normally "Couple of years" has just been bumped up to 10 years by Dominic Raab who suggested checking back in about 10 years to see if we start to see some kind of benefits. Nothing solid yet in terms of what we can look forward to, how we're going to get there or what these benefits might actually be. So we're still going on faith and believe in something unspecified, over information and what's actually happening in the real world. Oh well if Raab said it lol Love how remainers claim intellectual superiority y but are happy to quote any idiot who supports their argument "Raab is leaver. He is arguing that brexit is a good thing. I am suggesting that brexit is a negative. I am highlighting how brexit went from having "no downside", to "maybe in a couple of years", and now to 10 years. Are your great great grandkids going to be telling people, "just another few millennia, and we might see some benefits"? | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken You definitely did say it If so they must have deserved it as they where no doubt the nasty type of remoaners who are no more than nazis So people who voted against ruining the country are Nazis. Shocking news (if true).people who voted against ruining the country ?does that mean you think people who voted leave voted to ruin there country then ? I dunno. I don't which piece of misinformation leavers voted for. You'd know better than me. But what's going on now, plus the endless list of brexit negatives, is what we voted against. your better than that mate like you say what’s going on NOW maybe see where we are in a cpl yrs time then ya insults mite be warranted to say leaves voted to ruin the country is beneath you normally "Couple of years" has just been bumped up to 10 years by Dominic Raab who suggested checking back in about 10 years to see if we start to see some kind of benefits. Nothing solid yet in terms of what we can look forward to, how we're going to get there or what these benefits might actually be. So we're still going on faith and believe in something unspecified, over information and what's actually happening in the real world. Oh well if Raab said it lol Love how remainers claim intellectual superiority y but are happy to quote any idiot who supports their argument "Love how leave voters are now distancing themselves from Brexit supporting ministers at the heart of a Brexit supporting government who are now saying things that don’t suit their Brexit living agenda | |||
"A friend of mine started a business in January after Brexit,business is booming,expanding at a pace.She was a remainer but saw a gap in the market and ding very well Are you the person who last time I was here said you spit on people who voted remain? How did your friend react to being spat on? Do not think I used that phrase and if I did it was no doubt a nasty troll who deserved it.To be honest I would never say anything like that so you must be mistaken You definitely did say it If so they must have deserved it as they where no doubt the nasty type of remoaners who are no more than nazis So people who voted against ruining the country are Nazis. Shocking news (if true).people who voted against ruining the country ?does that mean you think people who voted leave voted to ruin there country then ? I dunno. I don't which piece of misinformation leavers voted for. You'd know better than me. But what's going on now, plus the endless list of brexit negatives, is what we voted against. your better than that mate like you say what’s going on NOW maybe see where we are in a cpl yrs time then ya insults mite be warranted to say leaves voted to ruin the country is beneath you normally "Couple of years" has just been bumped up to 10 years by Dominic Raab who suggested checking back in about 10 years to see if we start to see some kind of benefits. Nothing solid yet in terms of what we can look forward to, how we're going to get there or what these benefits might actually be. So we're still going on faith and believe in something unspecified, over information and what's actually happening in the real world. Oh well if Raab said it lol Love how remainers claim intellectual superiority y but are happy to quote any idiot who supports their argument
Love how leave voters are now distancing themselves from Brexit supporting ministers at the heart of a Brexit supporting government who are now saying things that don’t suit their Brexit living agenda "Loving | |||
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"Also interesting is the West Africa Squadron as I mentioned - From 1808 the British Empire at the cost of 2000 British lives stopped 1800 ships and freed 150,000 trafficked people over a period of about sixty years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Africa_Squadron And that’s not to mention the actions of the East Africa Squadron. It is estimated that The Empire spent far more on these squadrons than it ever made from the trade. Arguably it was the most “just” war ever fought in history." A noble act. However, it was Britain telling other countries to stop while frowning upon what was happening in their own colonies. The 1807 act to stop trade came to be but practices continued till the act was expanded in 1833. There was a lot of in-house fighting before that! Such political and moral attitudes are present in debates today. Only a handful of people did the right thing. It's very interesting. You might want to read about the Maroons as well. Thanks for sharing. | |||
