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"Almost as if we have gone backwards......." Ha ha! My thoughts exactly! X | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye..." How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. " Well 52% x | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. " Brexit means Brexit. We have Brexit 
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"Change your supplier. No problems with importing flowers, the only time we did was when France closed it's borders before Christmas." There is a definite shift in supplies I work in one of the big supermarkets! And deffinate difference since start of year! Fed up of the sub button! Slows me down and brings my pick rate down lol x | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye..." Oysters? Flowers? But its valentines on Sunday  | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye..." From where are you hearing of these issues? | |||
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"It's stopped me buying stuff for my wheelchair from the Netherlands anyway. The import tax is insane. It's a huge shame that the UK market for wheelchair accessories are aimed squarely at Mildred, age 85 and who is pushed around in a clunky NHS chair by her carers. It is NOT aimed at the "trendy" younger market. Everything will now have to be "NHS grey" (yes, that is a REAL colour for wheelchair tyres!)" Have you seen the Seinfeld episode about buying a wheelchair? | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye..." We HAD frictionless borders, you might have heard of this thing called Brexit? Maybe you even voted for it. That means we DON’T now have frictionless borders. Don’t come and complain about it now if you voted to leave, or if the word “remoaner” has ever crossed your lips. The remain side said all along that this would happen, and were dismissed as fearmongering. | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... We HAD frictionless borders, you might have heard of this thing called Brexit? Maybe you even voted for it. That means we DON’T now have frictionless borders. Don’t come and complain about it now if you voted to leave, or if the word “remoaner” has ever crossed your lips. The remain side said all along that this would happen, and were dismissed as fearmongering." But it's our fault that Brexit means Brexit, because reasons. | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... We HAD frictionless borders, you might have heard of this thing called Brexit? Maybe you even voted for it. That means we DON’T now have frictionless borders. Don’t come and complain about it now if you voted to leave, or if the word “remoaner” has ever crossed your lips. The remain side said all along that this would happen, and were dismissed as fearmongering." | |||
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"It's stopped me buying stuff for my wheelchair from the Netherlands anyway. The import tax is insane. It's a huge shame that the UK market for wheelchair accessories are aimed squarely at Mildred, age 85 and who is pushed around in a clunky NHS chair by her carers. It is NOT aimed at the "trendy" younger market. Everything will now have to be "NHS grey" (yes, that is a REAL colour for wheelchair tyres!) Have you seen the Seinfeld episode about buying a wheelchair?" Nope 
I have a jolly good chair, but I want to pimp it up, have decent accessories aimed at young adults, not OAPs  | |||
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"It's almost like Brexit combined with a worldwide pandemic make things difficult to import... "It's almost as if pushing through a disastrous policy in the middle of a pandemic wasnt a great idea. | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. " This ... we ‘got our country back’  | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... We HAD frictionless borders, you might have heard of this thing called Brexit? Maybe you even voted for it. That means we DON’T now have frictionless borders. Don’t come and complain about it now if you voted to leave, or if the word “remoaner” has ever crossed your lips. The remain side said all along that this would happen, and were dismissed as fearmongering." Yup! X | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. This ... we ‘got our country back’ "I can't wait for people to complain about the lack of freedom of movement too, once flights are back on | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. This ... we ‘got our country back’
I can't wait for people to complain about the lack of freedom of movement too, once flights are back on "I'm going to moan, but I didn't vote for Brexit so feel entitled to moan | |||
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"It's almost like Brexit combined with a worldwide pandemic make things difficult to import...
It's almost as if pushing through a disastrous policy in the middle of a pandemic wasnt a great idea."Or not reading contracts is such a monumentally stupid idea that it's not even in first year law degree exams because let's not insult the intelligence of teenagers. | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. Well 52% x" The majority | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. Well 52% x The majority" Unfortunately yes! X | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. Well 52% x" 52% of the people who actually voted. | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye..." We produce and sell all of these things, try buying British. | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. This ... we ‘got our country back’
I can't wait for people to complain about the lack of freedom of movement too, once flights are back on
I'm going to moan, but I didn't vote for Brexit so feel entitled to moan "I voted remain as did many of my friends. Its just a shame that the people who its going to affect couldn't be arsed to get out of bed, get off their playstations, remove their gaze from Facebook etc to go and vote. My daughter and many of her being of those who have now said the older generation have fucked her future up. Sorry but you brought it on yourselves  | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. This ... we ‘got our country back’
I can't wait for people to complain about the lack of freedom of movement too, once flights are back on
I'm going to moan, but I didn't vote for Brexit so feel entitled to moan
I voted remain as did many of my friends. Its just a shame that the people who its going to affect couldn't be arsed to get out of bed, get off their playstations, remove their gaze from Facebook etc to go and vote.
My daughter and many of her being of those who have now said the older generation have fucked her future up.
Sorry but you brought it on yourselves "Hey, I voted. So did Mr KC and our son WOULD have voted remain had he been old enough (he was 18 in 2020). | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... Oysters? Flowers? But its valentines on Sunday "How will we cope without oysters and flowers.? | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... We HAD frictionless borders, you might have heard of this thing called Brexit? Maybe you even voted for it. That means we DON’T now have frictionless borders. Don’t come and complain about it now if you voted to leave, or if the word “remoaner” has ever crossed your lips. The remain side said all along that this would happen, and were dismissed as fearmongering. But it's our fault that Brexit means Brexit, because reasons." Well in fairness if people had cared as passionately about it then and got off their arses and voted... The outcome may have been different. No point moaning about it now unless anyone has a time machine. We have to make it work... That's the choice we have now. Or just keep moaning about it and saying "I told you so". It's a massive thing being unpicked. That took 40 years to put together.. So it's going to take more than a few months to settle into its new state. | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. This ... we ‘got our country back’
I can't wait for people to complain about the lack of freedom of movement too, once flights are back on
I'm going to moan, but I didn't vote for Brexit so feel entitled to moan
I voted remain as did many of my friends. Its just a shame that the people who its going to affect couldn't be arsed to get out of bed, get off their playstations, remove their gaze from Facebook etc to go and vote.
My daughter and many of her being of those who have now said the older generation have fucked her future up.
Sorry but you brought it on yourselves "Not sure it's ageist to assume all of the old voted to leave... | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... We HAD frictionless borders, you might have heard of this thing called Brexit? Maybe you even voted for it. That means we DON’T now have frictionless borders. Don’t come and complain about it now if you voted to leave, or if the word “remoaner” has ever crossed your lips. The remain side said all along that this would happen, and were dismissed as fearmongering. But it's our fault that Brexit means Brexit, because reasons. Well in fairness if people had cared as passionately about it then and got off their arses and voted... The outcome may have been different. No point moaning about it now unless anyone has a time machine. We have to make it work... That's the choice we have now. Or just keep moaning about it and saying "I told you so". It's a massive thing being unpicked. That took 40 years to put together.. So it's going to take more than a few months to settle into its new state. " I did vote. (dirty dirty foreigner that I am  )
I voted remain. | |||
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"It's almost as though the frictionless trade Brexit Utopia promised was in fact a pack of lies and that this is the reality of unchecked, rampant populism. Who'da thought it?" Lolsob | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... We produce and sell all of these things, try buying British." We do, but in enough quantity? There are things that also just don't grow well here, so we import them, as it's not economic to do otherwise. | |||
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"Paperwork apparently. I was watching a thing about a shop owner in Belgium who's shelves were bare. They said every product needs a shed load of paperwork to go with it, and that alone is too much work to do." Were they selling all British products ...if its European stuff surely that cant be down to paperwork . | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... Oysters? Flowers? But its valentines on Sunday
How will we cope without oysters and flowers.? "Sadly it's not just oysters and flowers! X | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... We HAD frictionless borders, you might have heard of this thing called Brexit? Maybe you even voted for it. That means we DON’T now have frictionless borders. Don’t come and complain about it now if you voted to leave, or if the word “remoaner” has ever crossed your lips. The remain side said all along that this would happen, and were dismissed as fearmongering. But it's our fault that Brexit means Brexit, because reasons. Well in fairness if people had cared as passionately about it then and got off their arses and voted... The outcome may have been different. No point moaning about it now unless anyone has a time machine. We have to make it work... That's the choice we have now. Or just keep moaning about it and saying "I told you so". It's a massive thing being unpicked. That took 40 years to put together.. So it's going to take more than a few months to settle into its new state. I did vote. (dirty dirty foreigner that I am )
I voted remain."You can vote? | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... We HAD frictionless borders, you might have heard of this thing called Brexit? Maybe you even voted for it. That means we DON’T now have frictionless borders. Don’t come and complain about it now if you voted to leave, or if the word “remoaner” has ever crossed your lips. The remain side said all along that this would happen, and were dismissed as fearmongering. But it's our fault that Brexit means Brexit, because reasons. Well in fairness if people had cared as passionately about it then and got off their arses and voted... The outcome may have been different. No point moaning about it now unless anyone has a time machine. We have to make it work... That's the choice we have now. Or just keep moaning about it and saying "I told you so". It's a massive thing being unpicked. That took 40 years to put together.. So it's going to take more than a few months to settle into its new state. I did vote. (dirty dirty foreigner that I am )
I voted remain.
You can vote?"Mmhm. Can. Do. | |||
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"The best thing to do is to keep complaining about it, cause divisiveness and blame and insult brexit voters. That will help to make things better "And the dastardly old people.. | |||
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"The best thing to do is to keep complaining about it, cause divisiveness and blame and insult brexit voters. That will help to make things better "That's certainly the approach Farage took for 20 years. | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. This ... we ‘got our country back’
I can't wait for people to complain about the lack of freedom of movement too, once flights are back on
I'm going to moan, but I didn't vote for Brexit so feel entitled to moan
I voted remain as did many of my friends. Its just a shame that the people who its going to affect couldn't be arsed to get out of bed, get off their playstations, remove their gaze from Facebook etc to go and vote.
My daughter and many of her being of those who have now said the older generation have fucked her future up.
Sorry but you brought it on yourselves
Not sure it's ageist to assume all of the old voted to leave... "I didn't assume, as I said I voted remain as well nearly all my friends did. It is true to say that the lowest turnout to vote was the 18-24 age group. | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work." If I want the wheelchair stuff from the Netherlands that I want, I have to pay €60 in import tax. The items comes to about €220 in total. It's a huge sum on top of the purchase. Last time I bought from the same company (before Brexit), I didn't even pay P&P! | |||
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"The best thing to do is to keep complaining about it, cause divisiveness and blame and insult brexit voters. That will help to make things better "True! It wont but will make me feel better!!  x | |||
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"The best thing to do is to keep complaining about it, cause divisiveness and blame and insult brexit voters. That will help to make things better
That's certainly the approach Farage took for 20 years. "It's slightly more logical than blaming the people who voted remain. Don't look at me, I had fuck all to do with this | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. This ... we ‘got our country back’
I can't wait for people to complain about the lack of freedom of movement too, once flights are back on
I'm going to moan, but I didn't vote for Brexit so feel entitled to moan
I voted remain as did many of my friends. Its just a shame that the people who its going to affect couldn't be arsed to get out of bed, get off their playstations, remove their gaze from Facebook etc to go and vote.
My daughter and many of her being of those who have now said the older generation have fucked her future up.
Sorry but you brought it on yourselves
Not sure it's ageist to assume all of the old voted to leave...
I didn't assume, as I said I voted remain as well nearly all my friends did. It is true to say that the lowest turnout to vote was the 18-24 age group. "Fair to say that their future was largely in their own hands then .. and money of those who can't be arsed to vote moan the most... I don't like the demonising of old people. But who do the 18-24 group consider old.. the over 30s probably | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. Well 52% x The majority" The majority of what? | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. If I want the wheelchair stuff from the Netherlands that I want, I have to pay €60 in import tax. The items comes to about €220 in total. It's a huge sum on top of the purchase. Last time I bought from the same company (before Brexit), I didn't even pay P&P!" Some great opportunities for British companies to start up and undercut them.. | |||
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"The best thing to do is to keep complaining about it, cause divisiveness and blame and insult brexit voters. That will help to make things better "Worked for UKIP | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. If I want the wheelchair stuff from the Netherlands that I want, I have to pay €60 in import tax. The items comes to about €220 in total. It's a huge sum on top of the purchase. Last time I bought from the same company (before Brexit), I didn't even pay P&P! Some great opportunities for British companies to start up and undercut them.. " If British suppliers would make that sort of thing, I'd buy it no problems. But they don't! | |||
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"The best thing to do is to keep complaining about it, cause divisiveness and blame and insult brexit voters. That will help to make things better "they been doing that since 2016 lol | |||
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"The best thing to do is to keep complaining about it, cause divisiveness and blame and insult brexit voters. That will help to make things better they been doing that since 2016 lol"UKIP & Farage were doing it since 1993 | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... We HAD frictionless borders, you might have heard of this thing called Brexit? Maybe you even voted for it. That means we DON’T now have frictionless borders. Don’t come and complain about it now if you voted to leave, or if the word “remoaner” has ever crossed your lips. The remain side said all along that this would happen, and were dismissed as fearmongering. But it's our fault that Brexit means Brexit, because reasons. Well in fairness if people had cared as passionately about it then and got off their arses and voted... The outcome may have been different. No point moaning about it now unless anyone has a time machine. We have to make it work... That's the choice we have now. Or just keep moaning about it and saying "I told you so". It's a massive thing being unpicked. That took 40 years to put together.. So it's going to take more than a few months to settle into its new state. I did vote. (dirty dirty foreigner that I am )
I voted remain."I'd never have guessed! | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. If I want the wheelchair stuff from the Netherlands that I want, I have to pay €60 in import tax. The items comes to about €220 in total. It's a huge sum on top of the purchase. Last time I bought from the same company (before Brexit), I didn't even pay P&P! Some great opportunities for British companies to start up and undercut them.. If British suppliers would make that sort of thing, I'd buy it no problems. But they don't!" Oh they will if the demand is there.. Look at the top price of the goods from Europe.. if you need it. Buy it. If you want it but don't need it then consider buying it. If you just don't need it. Don't buy it... | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... We HAD frictionless borders, you might have heard of this thing called Brexit? Maybe you even voted for it. That means we DON’T now have frictionless borders. Don’t come and complain about it now if you voted to leave, or if the word “remoaner” has ever crossed your lips. The remain side said all along that this would happen, and were dismissed as fearmongering. But it's our fault that Brexit means Brexit, because reasons. Well in fairness if people had cared as passionately about it then and got off their arses and voted... The outcome may have been different. No point moaning about it now unless anyone has a time machine. We have to make it work... That's the choice we have now. Or just keep moaning about it and saying "I told you so". It's a massive thing being unpicked. That took 40 years to put together.. So it's going to take more than a few months to settle into its new state. I did vote. (dirty dirty foreigner that I am )
I voted remain.
I'd never have guessed! " | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. This ... we ‘got our country back’
I can't wait for people to complain about the lack of freedom of movement too, once flights are back on
I'm going to moan, but I didn't vote for Brexit so feel entitled to moan
I voted remain as did many of my friends. Its just a shame that the people who its going to affect couldn't be arsed to get out of bed, get off their playstations, remove their gaze from Facebook etc to go and vote.
My daughter and many of her being of those who have now said the older generation have fucked her future up.
Sorry but you brought it on yourselves
Not sure it's ageist to assume all of the old voted to leave...
I didn't assume, as I said I voted remain as well nearly all my friends did. It is true to say that the lowest turnout to vote was the 18-24 age group. "Not the uni students again? Brexit and covid is all down to them... Stone them! | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. This ... we ‘got our country back’
I can't wait for people to complain about the lack of freedom of movement too, once flights are back on
I'm going to moan, but I didn't vote for Brexit so feel entitled to moan
I voted remain as did many of my friends. Its just a shame that the people who its going to affect couldn't be arsed to get out of bed, get off their playstations, remove their gaze from Facebook etc to go and vote.
My daughter and many of her being of those who have now said the older generation have fucked her future up.
Sorry but you brought it on yourselves
Not sure it's ageist to assume all of the old voted to leave...
I didn't assume, as I said I voted remain as well nearly all my friends did. It is true to say that the lowest turnout to vote was the 18-24 age group.
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. If I want the wheelchair stuff from the Netherlands that I want, I have to pay €60 in import tax. The items comes to about €220 in total. It's a huge sum on top of the purchase. Last time I bought from the same company (before Brexit), I didn't even pay P&P! Some great opportunities for British companies to start up and undercut them.. If British suppliers would make that sort of thing, I'd buy it no problems. But they don't! Oh they will if the demand is there.. Look at the top price of the goods from Europe.. if you need it. Buy it. If you want it but don't need it then consider buying it. If you just don't need it. Don't buy it... " What you mean... Like support our own economy? | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. If I want the wheelchair stuff from the Netherlands that I want, I have to pay €60 in import tax. The items comes to about €220 in total. It's a huge sum on top of the purchase. Last time I bought from the same company (before Brexit), I didn't even pay P&P! Some great opportunities for British companies to start up and undercut them.. If British suppliers would make that sort of thing, I'd buy it no problems. But they don't! Oh they will if the demand is there.. Look at the top price of the goods from Europe.. if you need it. Buy it. If you want it but don't need it then consider buying it. If you just don't need it. Don't buy it... " I could buy the NHS grey Granny stuff that UK disability suppliers offer, or I can dig deep and buy well designed, thoughtfully created products, also trendy and NOT obviously "disabled friendly" from the Netherlands. I don't want NHS grey shite. It's like the only clothing options being those elastic waisted jeans M&S sell. No other option. That what disability products are like. I'm also looking for a freestanding shower seat that doesn't look like it came from a nursing home. Impossible. Sigh. | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. If I want the wheelchair stuff from the Netherlands that I want, I have to pay €60 in import tax. The items comes to about €220 in total. It's a huge sum on top of the purchase. Last time I bought from the same company (before Brexit), I didn't even pay P&P! Some great opportunities for British companies to start up and undercut them.. If British suppliers would make that sort of thing, I'd buy it no problems. But they don't! Oh they will if the demand is there.. Look at the top price of the goods from Europe.. if you need it. Buy it. If you want it but don't need it then consider buying it. If you just don't need it. Don't buy it... What you mean... Like support our own economy? " No British companies supply what I'm looking for. It's NHS grey and aimed at only the basic function or nothing here. | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. If I want the wheelchair stuff from the Netherlands that I want, I have to pay €60 in import tax. The items comes to about €220 in total. It's a huge sum on top of the purchase. Last time I bought from the same company (before Brexit), I didn't even pay P&P! Some great opportunities for British companies to start up and undercut them.. If British suppliers would make that sort of thing, I'd buy it no problems. But they don't! Oh they will if the demand is there.. Look at the top price of the goods from Europe.. if you need it. Buy it. If you want it but don't need it then consider buying it. If you just don't need it. Don't buy it... I could buy the NHS grey Granny stuff that UK disability suppliers offer, or I can dig deep and buy well designed, thoughtfully created products, also trendy and NOT obviously "disabled friendly" from the Netherlands. I don't want NHS grey shite. It's like the only clothing options being those elastic waisted jeans M&S sell. No other option. That what disability products are like. I'm also looking for a freestanding shower seat that doesn't look like it came from a nursing home. Impossible. Sigh. " Imagine wanting choice  how unpatriotic. | |||
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"The best thing to do is to keep complaining about it, cause divisiveness and blame and insult brexit voters. That will help to make things better they been doing that since 2016 lol
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"There must be British suppliers. Are you sure none exist" I've looked extensively. I can buy a crappy, functional (NHS grey) product here. But not a well designed item, suitable for a younger person. Trust me, looked! | |||
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"The best thing to do is to keep complaining about it, cause divisiveness and blame and insult brexit voters. That will help to make things better they been doing that since 2016 lol
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. This ... we ‘got our country back’
I can't wait for people to complain about the lack of freedom of movement too, once flights are back on
I'm going to moan, but I didn't vote for Brexit so feel entitled to moan
I voted remain as did many of my friends. Its just a shame that the people who its going to affect couldn't be arsed to get out of bed, get off their playstations, remove their gaze from Facebook etc to go and vote.
My daughter and many of her being of those who have now said the older generation have fucked her future up.
Sorry but you brought it on yourselves
Not sure it's ageist to assume all of the old voted to leave...
I didn't assume, as I said I voted remain as well nearly all my friends did. It is true to say that the lowest turnout to vote was the 18-24 age group.
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"It's almost as though the frictionless trade Brexit Utopia promised was in fact a pack of lies and that this is the reality of unchecked, rampant populism. Who'da thought it?" | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... We produce and sell all of these things, try buying British." | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work." The same political bullshit that got us into this place. | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. If I want the wheelchair stuff from the Netherlands that I want, I have to pay €60 in import tax. The items comes to about €220 in total. It's a huge sum on top of the purchase. Last time I bought from the same company (before Brexit), I didn't even pay P&P! Some great opportunities for British companies to start up and undercut them.. If British suppliers would make that sort of thing, I'd buy it no problems. But they don't! Oh they will if the demand is there.. Look at the top price of the goods from Europe.. if you need it. Buy it. If you want it but don't need it then consider buying it. If you just don't need it. Don't buy it... I could buy the NHS grey Granny stuff that UK disability suppliers offer, or I can dig deep and buy well designed, thoughtfully created products, also trendy and NOT obviously "disabled friendly" from the Netherlands. I don't want NHS grey shite. It's like the only clothing options being those elastic waisted jeans M&S sell. No other option. That what disability products are like. I'm also looking for a freestanding shower seat that doesn't look like it came from a nursing home. Impossible. Sigh. Imagine wanting choice how unpatriotic. "Just as the world opens up we decide to retreat back into our shell. Maybe we should get rid of all those pesky foreign restraunts and have good old fashioned brotish ones. | |||
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"It's stopped me buying stuff for my wheelchair from the Netherlands anyway. The import tax is insane. It's a huge shame that the UK market for wheelchair accessories are aimed squarely at Mildred, age 85 and who is pushed around in a clunky NHS chair by her carers. It is NOT aimed at the "trendy" younger market. Everything will now have to be "NHS grey" (yes, that is a REAL colour for wheelchair tyres!)" There is no import tax, if you have been charged a tariff you have been scammed | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... We HAD frictionless borders, you might have heard of this thing called Brexit? Maybe you even voted for it. That means we DON’T now have frictionless borders. Don’t come and complain about it now if you voted to leave, or if the word “remoaner” has ever crossed your lips. The remain side said all along that this would happen, and were dismissed as fearmongering. But it's our fault that Brexit means Brexit, because reasons. Well in fairness if people had cared as passionately about it then and got off their arses and voted... The outcome may have been different. No point moaning about it now unless anyone has a time machine. We have to make it work... That's the choice we have now. Or just keep moaning about it and saying "I told you so". It's a massive thing being unpicked. That took 40 years to put together.. So it's going to take more than a few months to settle into its new state. I did vote. (dirty dirty foreigner that I am )
I voted remain."surely you must be a British or commonwealth citizen then if you were able to vote. | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work." I have bought some chairs from Holland, still not arrived, having problems with getting them here due to paper work and customs | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... We HAD frictionless borders, you might have heard of this thing called Brexit? Maybe you even voted for it. That means we DON’T now have frictionless borders. Don’t come and complain about it now if you voted to leave, or if the word “remoaner” has ever crossed your lips. The remain side said all along that this would happen, and were dismissed as fearmongering. But it's our fault that Brexit means Brexit, because reasons. Well in fairness if people had cared as passionately about it then and got off their arses and voted... The outcome may have been different. No point moaning about it now unless anyone has a time machine. We have to make it work... That's the choice we have now. Or just keep moaning about it and saying "I told you so". It's a massive thing being unpicked. That took 40 years to put together.. So it's going to take more than a few months to settle into its new state. I did vote. (dirty dirty foreigner that I am )
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"It's stopped me buying stuff for my wheelchair from the Netherlands anyway. The import tax is insane. It's a huge shame that the UK market for wheelchair accessories are aimed squarely at Mildred, age 85 and who is pushed around in a clunky NHS chair by her carers. It is NOT aimed at the "trendy" younger market. Everything will now have to be "NHS grey" (yes, that is a REAL colour for wheelchair tyres!) There is no import tax, if you have been charged a tariff you have been scammed " Not what the Guardian says. It says item values over £135, you are charged import duty (I used the word tax): https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/jan/21/eu-website-purchases-the-import-charges-uk-customers-have-to-pay | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. I have bought some chairs from Holland, still not arrived, having problems with getting them here due to paper work and customs " Did you check if they have correctly removed the Dutch vat and local taxes from your purchase price? Ikea are still doing customer collect if you are stuck for a chair or 2 | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. I have bought some chairs from Holland, still not arrived, having problems with getting them here due to paper work and customs Did you check if they have correctly removed the Dutch vat and local taxes from your purchase price? Ikea are still doing customer collect if you are stuck for a chair or 2 "They were ordered and paid for last year, it’s not a big deal as I am in no rush for them but it is an example of Brexit causing problems | |||
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"The problem with the flowers has arisen because although they have come from Holland or Belgium 75% do not come from there they are imported from 3rd countries so they are going from a 3rd country to the eu then on to a 3rd country. The suppliers in the uk will eventually by pass the eu and buy direct this will solve the problem but it all takes time. "Imagine preparing beforehand, knowing what you're getting into | |||
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"Also wheelchairs and equipment for disabled people are exempt from vat " Well aware. But equipment is still horrifically ugly and functional AND over priced (in the main). | |||
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"Also wheelchairs and equipment for disabled people are exempt from vat Well aware. But equipment is still horrifically ugly and functional AND over priced (in the main)." And import duty isn't VAT, that's still payable! | |||
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"The problem with the flowers has arisen because although they have come from Holland or Belgium 75% do not come from there they are imported from 3rd countries so they are going from a 3rd country to the eu then on to a 3rd country. The suppliers in the uk will eventually by pass the eu and buy direct this will solve the problem but it all takes time.
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"Also wheelchairs and equipment for disabled people are exempt from vat Well aware. But equipment is still horrifically ugly and functional AND over priced (in the main). And import duty isn't VAT, that's still payable!" There is no import duty we have a tariff free deal with the EU, if you have been charged duty you have been scammed, unless it has a high percentage of third party parts or is actually made outside the EU , in which case it would make sense to buy it direct from the country that makes it. | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. I have bought some chairs from Holland, still not arrived, having problems with getting them here due to paper work and customs Did you check if they have correctly removed the Dutch vat and local taxes from your purchase price? Ikea are still doing customer collect if you are stuck for a chair or 2
They were ordered and paid for last year, it’s not a big deal as I am in no rush for them but it is an example of Brexit causing problems "I know its slightly OT, but I'm curious. Has the supplier said what the hold up is? Maybe they need to provide phytosanitary documentation? When they do arrive there doesn't appear to be duty payable, so thats a positive (although you will have the 20% Vat to pay) - hence the question if the local dutch vat had been removed. | |||
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"The problem with the flowers has arisen because although they have come from Holland or Belgium 75% do not come from there they are imported from 3rd countries so they are going from a 3rd country to the eu then on to a 3rd country. The suppliers in the uk will eventually by pass the eu and buy direct this will solve the problem but it all takes time.
Imagine preparing beforehand, knowing what you're getting into yes its a pity this could not have all been sorted in tandem with the withdrawal agreement it would have been so much easier but i guess the eu knew that so insisted that could not happen. "You got what you voted for | |||
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"The problem with the flowers has arisen because although they have come from Holland or Belgium 75% do not come from there they are imported from 3rd countries so they are going from a 3rd country to the eu then on to a 3rd country. The suppliers in the uk will eventually by pass the eu and buy direct this will solve the problem but it all takes time.
Imagine preparing beforehand, knowing what you're getting into yes its a pity this could not have all been sorted in tandem with the withdrawal agreement it would have been so much easier but i guess the eu knew that so insisted that could not happen.
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"If in doubt..just Blame the eu. Works a treat." EU Remainers Covid Woke brigade GFA French Cafes being closed Lack of positive vibes It's all these things fault. Nothing to do with brexit. | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. I have bought some chairs from Holland, still not arrived, having problems with getting them here due to paper work and customs Did you check if they have correctly removed the Dutch vat and local taxes from your purchase price? Ikea are still doing customer collect if you are stuck for a chair or 2
They were ordered and paid for last year, it’s not a big deal as I am in no rush for them but it is an example of Brexit causing problems
I know its slightly OT, but I'm curious. Has the supplier said what the hold up is? Maybe they need to provide phytosanitary documentation?
When they do arrive there doesn't appear to be duty payable, so thats a positive (although you will have the 20% Vat to pay) - hence the question if the local dutch vat had been removed.
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"If in doubt..just Blame the eu. Works a treat. EU Remainers Covid Woke brigade GFA French Cafes being closed Lack of positive vibes It's all these things fault. Nothing to do with brexit. " Lisbon Treaty | |||
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"The problem with the flowers has arisen because although they have come from Holland or Belgium 75% do not come from there they are imported from 3rd countries so they are going from a 3rd country to the eu then on to a 3rd country. The suppliers in the uk will eventually by pass the eu and buy direct this will solve the problem but it all takes time.
Imagine preparing beforehand, knowing what you're getting into yes its a pity this could not have all been sorted in tandem with the withdrawal agreement it would have been so much easier but i guess the eu knew that so insisted that could not happen.
You got what you voted for yep and im well happy mate how you feeling now a bit more positive?"What are you ‘well happy with’? Apart from my chairs nothing has personal changed for me as yet. | |||
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"If in doubt..just Blame the eu. Works a treat. EU Remainers Covid Woke brigade GFA French Cafes being closed Lack of positive vibes It's all these things fault. Nothing to do with brexit. " We pushed for it We voted for it We were told it would be an easy deal Boris led the negotiations and crowed about it when we left. But when it turns out to be a shutdown its their fault. Its hugely comical. Still that's what 30 years of the daily mail gets you. | |||
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"If in doubt..just Blame the eu. Works a treat. EU Remainers Covid Woke brigade GFA French Cafes being closed Lack of positive vibes It's all these things fault. Nothing to do with brexit. Lisbon Treaty" Oh that's a good one. Also. "Corbyn". With no further explanation. | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. I have bought some chairs from Holland, still not arrived, having problems with getting them here due to paper work and customs Did you check if they have correctly removed the Dutch vat and local taxes from your purchase price? Ikea are still doing customer collect if you are stuck for a chair or 2
They were ordered and paid for last year, it’s not a big deal as I am in no rush for them but it is an example of Brexit causing problems
I know its slightly OT, but I'm curious. Has the supplier said what the hold up is? Maybe they need to provide phytosanitary documentation?
When they do arrive there doesn't appear to be duty payable, so thats a positive (although you will have the 20% Vat to pay) - hence the question if the local dutch vat had been removed.
The chairs are made from rosewood, because we are no longer in the EU the suppliers have to apply for an export license "ok. Which then allows you (or your agent) to apply for a UK CITES permit... both permits need to be in place before the chairs can be sent... or Border Force will seize when they arrive at the border. | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. I have bought some chairs from Holland, still not arrived, having problems with getting them here due to paper work and customs Did you check if they have correctly removed the Dutch vat and local taxes from your purchase price? Ikea are still doing customer collect if you are stuck for a chair or 2
They were ordered and paid for last year, it’s not a big deal as I am in no rush for them but it is an example of Brexit causing problems
I know its slightly OT, but I'm curious. Has the supplier said what the hold up is? Maybe they need to provide phytosanitary documentation?
When they do arrive there doesn't appear to be duty payable, so thats a positive (although you will have the 20% Vat to pay) - hence the question if the local dutch vat had been removed.
The chairs are made from rosewood, because we are no longer in the EU the suppliers have to apply for an export license
ok. Which then allows you (or your agent) to apply for a UK CITES permit... both permits need to be in place before the chairs can be sent... or Border Force will seize when they arrive at the border.
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]"" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing. | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]"" | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. I have bought some chairs from Holland, still not arrived, having problems with getting them here due to paper work and customs Did you check if they have correctly removed the Dutch vat and local taxes from your purchase price? Ikea are still doing customer collect if you are stuck for a chair or 2
They were ordered and paid for last year, it’s not a big deal as I am in no rush for them but it is an example of Brexit causing problems
I know its slightly OT, but I'm curious. Has the supplier said what the hold up is? Maybe they need to provide phytosanitary documentation?
When they do arrive there doesn't appear to be duty payable, so thats a positive (although you will have the 20% Vat to pay) - hence the question if the local dutch vat had been removed.
The chairs are made from rosewood, because we are no longer in the EU the suppliers have to apply for an export license
ok. Which then allows you (or your agent) to apply for a UK CITES permit... both permits need to be in place before the chairs can be sent... or Border Force will seize when they arrive at the border.
I have applied for EORI number for the CITES permit 2 weeks ago? No reply as yet "EORI is normally max 5 days You are doing the import yourself or using a company/agent to handle everything? | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]"" | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]"" Protectionism in Germany? Surely not... I don't think France are in a position to negotiate a trade agreement with anyone any more are they? | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. I have bought some chairs from Holland, still not arrived, having problems with getting them here due to paper work and customs Did you check if they have correctly removed the Dutch vat and local taxes from your purchase price? Ikea are still doing customer collect if you are stuck for a chair or 2
They were ordered and paid for last year, it’s not a big deal as I am in no rush for them but it is an example of Brexit causing problems
I know its slightly OT, but I'm curious. Has the supplier said what the hold up is? Maybe they need to provide phytosanitary documentation?
When they do arrive there doesn't appear to be duty payable, so thats a positive (although you will have the 20% Vat to pay) - hence the question if the local dutch vat had been removed.
The chairs are made from rosewood, because we are no longer in the EU the suppliers have to apply for an export license
ok. Which then allows you (or your agent) to apply for a UK CITES permit... both permits need to be in place before the chairs can be sent... or Border Force will seize when they arrive at the border.
I have applied for EORI number for the CITES permit 2 weeks ago? No reply as yet
EORI is normally max 5 days
You are doing the import yourself or using a company/agent to handle everything?
"The company, i did it online, tried to follow it up but nothing as yet , I will have to try again | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing." And you of course also know what happened three months after the signing of the 1860 treaty? Answer: everyone who originally whinged and whined about it realised it was a great liberation and to our advantage... And it was never mentioned again. There's a lesson in there you know | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing. And you of course also know what happened three months after the signing of the 1860 treaty? Answer: everyone who originally whinged and whined about it realised it was a great liberation and to our advantage... And it was never mentioned again. There's a lesson in there you know "Imagine comparing what happened in 1860 with Brexit? Clutching at straws there Chris, | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing. And you of course also know what happened three months after the signing of the 1860 treaty? Answer: everyone who originally whinged and whined about it realised it was a great liberation and to our advantage... And it was never mentioned again. There's a lesson in there you know " | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing. And you of course also know what happened three months after the signing of the 1860 treaty? Answer: everyone who originally whinged and whined about it realised it was a great liberation and to our advantage... And it was never mentioned again. There's a lesson in there you know
Imagine comparing what happened in 1860 with Brexit? Clutching at straws there Chris, "Brexit is basically the exact same as when Constantine converted the Roman empire to Christianity. No one complained and no one is complaining now. No downside. We hold all the cards. It's remainers fault. Covid. Corbyn. | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. I have bought some chairs from Holland, still not arrived, having problems with getting them here due to paper work and customs Did you check if they have correctly removed the Dutch vat and local taxes from your purchase price? Ikea are still doing customer collect if you are stuck for a chair or 2
They were ordered and paid for last year, it’s not a big deal as I am in no rush for them but it is an example of Brexit causing problems
I know its slightly OT, but I'm curious. Has the supplier said what the hold up is? Maybe they need to provide phytosanitary documentation?
When they do arrive there doesn't appear to be duty payable, so thats a positive (although you will have the 20% Vat to pay) - hence the question if the local dutch vat had been removed.
The chairs are made from rosewood, because we are no longer in the EU the suppliers have to apply for an export license
ok. Which then allows you (or your agent) to apply for a UK CITES permit... both permits need to be in place before the chairs can be sent... or Border Force will seize when they arrive at the border.
"So pleased that you explained that. How boris's "frictionless trade, oven ready, tariff free" deal actually means that to move damn near anything from UK to EU, or EU to UK, shit loads of paperwork has to be generated that you have to pay someone to sort out. And that because every individual item on a truck has to have separate paperwork, and every single item correct otherwise the whole bloody lot gets stopped, the delivery companies are having a nightmare and have had to add huge surcharges to their fees. However it's all good because every member of the tory government assured us that there are in fact no problems. So my advice would be to forward all tariff bills, excess fees, delivery surcharges, requests for permits to the Prime Minister's office, marked for personal attention Mr. B. Johnson. As boris said last year "If anybody asks for a piece of paper, then send them to my office and I'll tell them personally to throw that piece of paper in the bin!". It's very reassuring to know that Boris has got our back and has given his personal guarantee that he will make sure that none of us are out of pocket. | |||
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"Also wheelchairs and equipment for disabled people are exempt from vat Well aware. But equipment is still horrifically ugly and functional AND over priced (in the main). And import duty isn't VAT, that's still payable! There is no import duty we have a tariff free deal with the EU, if you have been charged duty you have been scammed, unless it has a high percentage of third party parts or is actually made outside the EU , in which case it would make sense to buy it direct from the country that makes it." I haven't checked where the company make their products, but it's probably safe to assume it's a third country. Have you tried buying direct from the factory who makes things?? | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing. And you of course also know what happened three months after the signing of the 1860 treaty? Answer: everyone who originally whinged and whined about it realised it was a great liberation and to our advantage... And it was never mentioned again. There's a lesson in there you know
Imagine comparing what happened in 1860 with Brexit? Clutching at straws there Chris, "You can rather imagine an annoying little gobshite blaming child labour and a 18 hr working day on the french. | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. I have bought some chairs from Holland, still not arrived, having problems with getting them here due to paper work and customs Did you check if they have correctly removed the Dutch vat and local taxes from your purchase price? Ikea are still doing customer collect if you are stuck for a chair or 2
They were ordered and paid for last year, it’s not a big deal as I am in no rush for them but it is an example of Brexit causing problems
I know its slightly OT, but I'm curious. Has the supplier said what the hold up is? Maybe they need to provide phytosanitary documentation?
When they do arrive there doesn't appear to be duty payable, so thats a positive (although you will have the 20% Vat to pay) - hence the question if the local dutch vat had been removed.
The chairs are made from rosewood, because we are no longer in the EU the suppliers have to apply for an export license
ok. Which then allows you (or your agent) to apply for a UK CITES permit... both permits need to be in place before the chairs can be sent... or Border Force will seize when they arrive at the border.
So pleased that you explained that. How boris's "frictionless trade, oven ready, tariff free" deal actually means that to move damn near anything from UK to EU, or EU to UK, shit loads of paperwork has to be generated that you have to pay someone to sort out. And that because every individual item on a truck has to have separate paperwork, and every single item correct otherwise the whole bloody lot gets stopped, the delivery companies are having a nightmare and have had to add huge surcharges to their fees.
However it's all good because every member of the tory government assured us that there are in fact no problems. So my advice would be to forward all tariff bills, excess fees, delivery surcharges, requests for permits to the Prime Minister's office, marked for personal attention Mr. B. Johnson. As boris said last year "If anybody asks for a piece of paper, then send them to my office and I'll tell them personally to throw that piece of paper in the bin!". It's very reassuring to know that Boris has got our back and has given his personal guarantee that he will make sure that none of us are out of pocket."
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing. And you of course also know what happened three months after the signing of the 1860 treaty? Answer: everyone who originally whinged and whined about it realised it was a great liberation and to our advantage... And it was never mentioned again. There's a lesson in there you know "Erm, as the article explained, the effect of the 1860 treaty was to END tariffs and GIVE free trade. Everyone realised it was a great liberation because yes, it did make trade easier. Brexit however is a deal that CAUSES tariffs and PREVENTS free trade. Everyone is realising that it's a total cock because yes, it does make free trade harder. | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing. And you of course also know what happened three months after the signing of the 1860 treaty? Answer: everyone who originally whinged and whined about it realised it was a great liberation and to our advantage... And it was never mentioned again. There's a lesson in there you know
Erm, as the article explained, the effect of the 1860 treaty was to END tariffs and GIVE free trade. Everyone realised it was a great liberation because yes, it did make trade easier.
Brexit however is a deal that CAUSES tariffs and PREVENTS free trade. Everyone is realising that it's a total cock because yes, it does make free trade harder.
"Sunlit uplands though. Red white and blue. Sovereignty. Take that, reality, we got buzzwords | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing. And you of course also know what happened three months after the signing of the 1860 treaty? Answer: everyone who originally whinged and whined about it realised it was a great liberation and to our advantage... And it was never mentioned again. There's a lesson in there you know
Erm, as the article explained, the effect of the 1860 treaty was to END tariffs and GIVE free trade. Everyone realised it was a great liberation because yes, it did make trade easier.
Brexit however is a deal that CAUSES tariffs and PREVENTS free trade. Everyone is realising that it's a total cock because yes, it does make free trade harder.
Sunlit uplands though. Red white and blue. Sovereignty.
Take that, reality, we got buzzwords"Yep get your flag out and stop complaining. | |||
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"When these benefits, no trade barrier down the Irish Sea, all benefits, no downsides stuff emerges, will someone let me know?" Don't hold your breath, Sheila | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing. And you of course also know what happened three months after the signing of the 1860 treaty? Answer: everyone who originally whinged and whined about it realised it was a great liberation and to our advantage... And it was never mentioned again. There's a lesson in there you know
Erm, as the article explained, the effect of the 1860 treaty was to END tariffs and GIVE free trade. Everyone realised it was a great liberation because yes, it did make trade easier.
Brexit however is a deal that CAUSES tariffs and PREVENTS free trade. Everyone is realising that it's a total cock because yes, it does make free trade harder.
"Nope, there are no new tariffs. Brussels is the protectionist block that imposes tariffs on produce from some of the poorest countries in the world. Shocking really. | |||
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"When these benefits, no trade barrier down the Irish Sea, all benefits, no downsides stuff emerges, will someone let me know? Don't hold your breath, Sheila "Yeah nah, I'm no flamin' galah. | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. Well 52% x" yep 52% of people that could be arsed to vote but thems the rules | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing. And you of course also know what happened three months after the signing of the 1860 treaty? Answer: everyone who originally whinged and whined about it realised it was a great liberation and to our advantage... And it was never mentioned again. There's a lesson in there you know
Erm, as the article explained, the effect of the 1860 treaty was to END tariffs and GIVE free trade. Everyone realised it was a great liberation because yes, it did make trade easier.
Brexit however is a deal that CAUSES tariffs and PREVENTS free trade. Everyone is realising that it's a total cock because yes, it does make free trade harder.
Nope, there are no new tariffs. Brussels is the protectionist block that imposes tariffs on produce from some of the poorest countries in the world. Shocking really. "Sounds handy. How do we get in on this? | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. Well 52% xyep 52% of people that could be arsed to vote but thems the rules" and we know where we would be if we didn’t have them lol | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. Well 52% xyep 52% of people that could be arsed to vote but thems the rules" True, 17.4 million out of 46 million who could have voted, those that didn’t should be ashamed | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. Well 52% xyep 52% of people that could be arsed to vote but thems the rules True, 17.4 million out of 46 million who could have voted, those that didn’t should be ashamed " They should have their own special passport control queue | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. Well 52% xyep 52% of people that could be arsed to vote but thems the rules True, 17.4 million out of 46 million who could have voted, those that didn’t should be ashamed " you should start a thread blaming them for brexit then lol | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing. And you of course also know what happened three months after the signing of the 1860 treaty? Answer: everyone who originally whinged and whined about it realised it was a great liberation and to our advantage... And it was never mentioned again. There's a lesson in there you know
Erm, as the article explained, the effect of the 1860 treaty was to END tariffs and GIVE free trade. Everyone realised it was a great liberation because yes, it did make trade easier.
Brexit however is a deal that CAUSES tariffs and PREVENTS free trade. Everyone is realising that it's a total cock because yes, it does make free trade harder.
Nope, there are no new tariffs. Brussels is the protectionist block that imposes tariffs on produce from some of the poorest countries in the world. Shocking really.
Sounds handy. How do we get in on this?"Lol | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. Well 52% xyep 52% of people that could be arsed to vote but thems the rules True, 17.4 million out of 46 million who could have voted, those that didn’t should be ashamed you should start a thread blaming them for brexit then lol" Nah, maybe they are like you and just don’t care about Brexit?? 17.4 million people wanted Brexit ,16.1 million didn’t and 13 million didn’t care | |||
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"I'm a supermarket picker! And it has gotten bad since start of year ! Could b coincidence could b weather could b covid but me thinks it's not being in EU! So many shortages! X" | |||
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"And reports of so much extra form filling.." Excuses | |||
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"I'm a supermarket picker! And it has gotten bad since start of year ! Could b coincidence could b weather could b covid but me thinks it's not being in EU! So many shortages! X " | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing. And you of course also know what happened three months after the signing of the 1860 treaty? Answer: everyone who originally whinged and whined about it realised it was a great liberation and to our advantage... And it was never mentioned again. There's a lesson in there you know
Erm, as the article explained, the effect of the 1860 treaty was to END tariffs and GIVE free trade. Everyone realised it was a great liberation because yes, it did make trade easier.
Brexit however is a deal that CAUSES tariffs and PREVENTS free trade. Everyone is realising that it's a total cock because yes, it does make free trade harder.
Nope, there are no new tariffs. Brussels is the protectionist block that imposes tariffs on produce from some of the poorest countries in the world. Shocking really.
Sounds handy. How do we get in on this?"I've provided you with the study materials on Cobden-Chevalier that's your reading for tonight cheers | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. Well 52% xyep 52% of people that could be arsed to vote but thems the rules True, 17.4 million out of 46 million who could have voted, those that didn’t should be ashamed you should start a thread blaming them for brexit then lol Nah, maybe they are like you and just don’t care about Brexit?? 17.4 million people wanted Brexit ,16.1 million didn’t and 13 million didn’t care " thays democracy for ya | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing. And you of course also know what happened three months after the signing of the 1860 treaty? Answer: everyone who originally whinged and whined about it realised it was a great liberation and to our advantage... And it was never mentioned again. There's a lesson in there you know
Erm, as the article explained, the effect of the 1860 treaty was to END tariffs and GIVE free trade. Everyone realised it was a great liberation because yes, it did make trade easier.
Brexit however is a deal that CAUSES tariffs and PREVENTS free trade. Everyone is realising that it's a total cock because yes, it does make free trade harder.
Nope, there are no new tariffs. Brussels is the protectionist block that imposes tariffs on produce from some of the poorest countries in the world. Shocking really.
Sounds handy. How do we get in on this?
I've provided you with the study materials on Cobden-Chevalier that's your reading for tonight cheers "I've no desire to take the UK back to 1860 thanks. | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing. And you of course also know what happened three months after the signing of the 1860 treaty? Answer: everyone who originally whinged and whined about it realised it was a great liberation and to our advantage... And it was never mentioned again. There's a lesson in there you know
Erm, as the article explained, the effect of the 1860 treaty was to END tariffs and GIVE free trade. Everyone realised it was a great liberation because yes, it did make trade easier.
Brexit however is a deal that CAUSES tariffs and PREVENTS free trade. Everyone is realising that it's a total cock because yes, it does make free trade harder.
Nope, there are no new tariffs. Brussels is the protectionist block that imposes tariffs on produce from some of the poorest countries in the world. Shocking really.
Sounds handy. How do we get in on this?
I've provided you with the study materials on Cobden-Chevalier that's your reading for tonight cheers
I've no desire to take the UK back to 1860 thanks. "The good old days, no workers rights, children in factories, low life expectancy etc etc, maybe that is what Chris is hoping for in post Brexit Britain | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing. And you of course also know what happened three months after the signing of the 1860 treaty? Answer: everyone who originally whinged and whined about it realised it was a great liberation and to our advantage... And it was never mentioned again. There's a lesson in there you know
Erm, as the article explained, the effect of the 1860 treaty was to END tariffs and GIVE free trade. Everyone realised it was a great liberation because yes, it did make trade easier.
Brexit however is a deal that CAUSES tariffs and PREVENTS free trade. Everyone is realising that it's a total cock because yes, it does make free trade harder.
Nope, there are no new tariffs. Brussels is the protectionist block that imposes tariffs on produce from some of the poorest countries in the world. Shocking really.
Sounds handy. How do we get in on this?
I've provided you with the study materials on Cobden-Chevalier that's your reading for tonight cheers
I've no desire to take the UK back to 1860 thanks.
The good old days, no workers rights, children in factories, low life expectancy etc etc, maybe that is what Chris is hoping for in post Brexit Britain "Think we are half way there already. | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing. And you of course also know what happened three months after the signing of the 1860 treaty? Answer: everyone who originally whinged and whined about it realised it was a great liberation and to our advantage... And it was never mentioned again. There's a lesson in there you know
Erm, as the article explained, the effect of the 1860 treaty was to END tariffs and GIVE free trade. Everyone realised it was a great liberation because yes, it did make trade easier.
Brexit however is a deal that CAUSES tariffs and PREVENTS free trade. Everyone is realising that it's a total cock because yes, it does make free trade harder.
"In fairness most people haven't noticed anything different. It's made no difference to my life, my kids, my family, my girlfriends yet. I can shop, I can drive. Sometimes of you look hard enough for a problem you can find one. | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing. And you of course also know what happened three months after the signing of the 1860 treaty? Answer: everyone who originally whinged and whined about it realised it was a great liberation and to our advantage... And it was never mentioned again. There's a lesson in there you know
Erm, as the article explained, the effect of the 1860 treaty was to END tariffs and GIVE free trade. Everyone realised it was a great liberation because yes, it did make trade easier.
Brexit however is a deal that CAUSES tariffs and PREVENTS free trade. Everyone is realising that it's a total cock because yes, it does make free trade harder.
In fairness most people haven't noticed anything different. It's made no difference to my life, my kids, my family, my girlfriends yet. I can shop, I can drive. Sometimes of you look hard enough for a problem you can find one. "You don’t have to ‘look hard’ these stories are making the news. I have to agree that personally nothing much has changed for me , maybe the benefits will kick in later in the year | |||
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"Surely it's just a few teething problems... Is there any indication that these are teething problems? Is the extra cost, the extra red tape going to go away anytime soon?" I'm sure the EU will come to its senses soon and stop treating the UK the way that they negotiated in a legally binding trade deal. Silly EU. We hold all the cards! | |||
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"Surely it's just a few teething problems... Is there any indication that these are teething problems? Is the extra cost, the extra red tape going to go away anytime soon? I'm sure the EU will come to its senses soon and stop treating the UK the way that they negotiated in a legally binding trade deal. Silly EU. We hold all the cards! "Just waiting on delivery of my golden unicorn | |||
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"Surely it's just a few teething problems... Is there any indication that these are teething problems? Is the extra cost, the extra red tape going to go away anytime soon? I'm sure the EU will come to its senses soon and stop treating the UK the way that they negotiated in a legally binding trade deal. Silly EU. We hold all the cards!
Just waiting on delivery of my golden unicorn
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. I have bought some chairs from Holland, still not arrived, having problems with getting them here due to paper work and customs Did you check if they have correctly removed the Dutch vat and local taxes from your purchase price? Ikea are still doing customer collect if you are stuck for a chair or 2
They were ordered and paid for last year, it’s not a big deal as I am in no rush for them but it is an example of Brexit causing problems
I know its slightly OT, but I'm curious. Has the supplier said what the hold up is? Maybe they need to provide phytosanitary documentation?
When they do arrive there doesn't appear to be duty payable, so thats a positive (although you will have the 20% Vat to pay) - hence the question if the local dutch vat had been removed.
The chairs are made from rosewood, because we are no longer in the EU the suppliers have to apply for an export license
ok. Which then allows you (or your agent) to apply for a UK CITES permit... both permits need to be in place before the chairs can be sent... or Border Force will seize when they arrive at the border.
I have applied for EORI number for the CITES permit 2 weeks ago? No reply as yet
EORI is normally max 5 days
You are doing the import yourself or using a company/agent to handle everything?
The company, i did it online, tried to follow it up
but nothing as yet , I will have to try again "I can't help think this situation highlights, a little, the point I am making on the other thread. The process for importing/exporting from/to a third country is available to view and has been well before the final EU trading arrangements were agreed in December. You're a retail customer, but the businesses involved in this type of trade could have readied themselves well in advance, and maybe your chairs would already be sitting in your front room.. | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. If I want the wheelchair stuff from the Netherlands that I want, I have to pay €60 in import tax. The items comes to about €220 in total. It's a huge sum on top of the purchase. Last time I bought from the same company (before Brexit), I didn't even pay P&P!" I don't doubt you, but is it because they have to or because they choose to? Big difference. Awfully sorry, but Brexit and all that you know.. | |||
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. If I want the wheelchair stuff from the Netherlands that I want, I have to pay €60 in import tax. The items comes to about €220 in total. It's a huge sum on top of the purchase. Last time I bought from the same company (before Brexit), I didn't even pay P&P! I don't doubt you, but is it because they have to or because they choose to? Big difference. Awfully sorry, but Brexit and all that you know.." I have no idea. I'm just the customer. I think it's because the clothing and accessories aren't made/assembled in the Netherlands but in a third country. In which case, our Govt documents do say import duty would apply to items above £135 value. So, it seems the duty is compulsory. Clothing isn't straightforward for someone using an active, manual wheelchair, I can assure you, nor is it straightforward to find suitable accessories, such as bags, which are both practical, easy to open behind your own back and also not absolutely hideous. Everyone else gets to pick out nice, yet functional bags and I want to as well. From this company, I have a briefcase that attaches to the frame, I have a backpack style bag without dangly straps to tangle in the wheels, which has carefully designed pouches and pockets with easy to open zips, designed to be opened when seated and from behind your back. These two items match and are very attractive items, as well as being extremely practical. The clothing I wish to buy is a 3 in 1 outdoor coat, designed with the shoulder room, sleeve length and jacket length specifically tailored for being seated all the time. Off the peg coats in outdoor shops are too long at the front and bunch up, they are too restrictive at the shoulder and the sleeves either get in the way or are too short when the user pushes a manual chair. The lower sleeve and cuff needs to be reinforced to withstand the friction of the wheels (I have made holes in hoodies and other coats). I'd also like a matching special cover for my knees and lower legs because being seated, my legs and trousers get sopping wet through. This company makes these Raindek to match the coats and all in colours and materials that are practical yet attractive for younger people. UK suppliers offer bizarre capes and weird sleeping bag things that a) aren't practical for self propellers and b) are like glorified bin bags with the style to match. I'd like my Dutch items but without the stupid duty. If a British supplier would like to offer these well designed and crafted items for younger disabled people, I'd consider buying it. | |||
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"Surely it's just a few teething problems... Is there any indication that these are teething problems? Is the extra cost, the extra red tape going to go away anytime soon? I'm sure the EU will come to its senses soon and stop treating the UK the way that they negotiated in a legally binding trade deal. Silly EU. We hold all the cards!
Just waiting on delivery of my golden unicorn
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"I've bought goods from the Netherlands, Germany and Estonia in the last two months. No delays, no extra fees. If either side has put up unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for certain goods, then they have only themselves to blame. I suspect a lot of it is political bullshit anyway. Macron has openly stated that Brexit can't be seen to work. I have bought some chairs from Holland, still not arrived, having problems with getting them here due to paper work and customs Did you check if they have correctly removed the Dutch vat and local taxes from your purchase price? Ikea are still doing customer collect if you are stuck for a chair or 2
They were ordered and paid for last year, it’s not a big deal as I am in no rush for them but it is an example of Brexit causing problems
I know its slightly OT, but I'm curious. Has the supplier said what the hold up is? Maybe they need to provide phytosanitary documentation?
When they do arrive there doesn't appear to be duty payable, so thats a positive (although you will have the 20% Vat to pay) - hence the question if the local dutch vat had been removed.
The chairs are made from rosewood, because we are no longer in the EU the suppliers have to apply for an export license
ok. Which then allows you (or your agent) to apply for a UK CITES permit... both permits need to be in place before the chairs can be sent... or Border Force will seize when they arrive at the border.
I have applied for EORI number for the CITES permit 2 weeks ago? No reply as yet
EORI is normally max 5 days
You are doing the import yourself or using a company/agent to handle everything?
The company, i did it online, tried to follow it up
but nothing as yet , I will have to try again
I can't help think this situation highlights, a little, the point I am making on the other thread.
The process for importing/exporting from/to a third country is available to view and has been well before the final EU trading arrangements were agreed in December.
You're a retail customer, but the businesses involved in this type of trade could have readied themselves well in advance, and maybe your chairs would already be sitting in your front room..
"Good luck to the businesses readying themselves well in advance, when the details of what sort of deal, or even if there would be a deal, wasn't agreed until Christmas Eve. And coming into force on New Year's Day. Especially when everybody was personally assured by Boris, on Christmas Eve, that his brilliant negotiating skills meant that there would be zero problems and everything would be totally frictionless. Though I suppose if he'd gone on telly on Christmas Eve and said "I fucked it up, there's going to be shitloads of extra paperwork, if you're a fisherman say goodbye to your business, and don't even bother trying to buy chairs from Holland or wheelchair accessories from anywhere on the continent" then he might have received just a teensy weensy little bit of criticism? | |||
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"Of course there will be turbulence but also opportunities.. too soon to judge " Any news when we might hear about some of these mystery opportunities? | |||
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"Of course there will be turbulence but also opportunities.. too soon to judge Any news when we might hear about some of these mystery opportunities?" Well they are already here.. remember where you heard it first.. | |||
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"Of course there will be turbulence but also opportunities.. too soon to judge " Opportunities to be worse off presumably? | |||
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"Of course there will be turbulence but also opportunities.. too soon to judge Any news when we might hear about some of these mystery opportunities? Well they are already here.. remember where you heard it first.. "Ooh excellent. Any details? | |||
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"I am hearing of delays importing flowers from Holland, mussels and oysters held up in England, bacon held up.. what's going on here.. A deal.. ? Frictionless borders.. more to this than meets the eye... How is there more to this than meets the eye? We've changed our relationship with the EU in a way that makes trade harder. It's not a conspiracy. The country voted for this. Well 52% x The majority Unfortunately yes! X" Hell of a lot more than voted to join in the first place. | |||
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"Well it's obvious to me that of goods are expensive to import then home business will thrive.. Glass half full eh ?" If the items that are expensive to import include materials to produce items, then.... Hmm. And the market for UK businesses being harder to access. We're so mean with this reality stuff | |||
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"Well it's obvious to me that of goods are expensive to import then home business will thrive.. Glass half full eh ?" Oh I was hoping for a positive. Less consumer choice and higher prices for British businesses to buy supplies from the EU seems like a negative. Maybe try being more positive. What's the good news? | |||
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"Well it's obvious to me that of goods are expensive to import then home business will thrive.. Glass half full eh ? Oh I was hoping for a positive. Less consumer choice and higher prices for British businesses to buy supplies from the EU seems like a negative. Maybe try being more positive. What's the good news?" It was 2048 when they finally removed Great grandad skysurfer’s body from his favourite bench. For years he told all who bothered to ask “it’s ok they told me some good news is coming” . So he waited and waited always happy and always with a smile chuckling about the good news he was so happy to hear.. Sadly over the years people just thought ,, awe he’s just a nice old guy and everyone smiled but knew he was a lost cause and then his excitement and then eventually his life slowly faded away. How cruel to leave such a nice guy waiting when all they had to do was tell him the good news! There was good news wasn’t there?... hello.?? Hello?? The silence was deafening... | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing." You’ll recall from the lesson I gave you a couple of days ago we still trade internationally in all those things, and petroleum products are our number one biggest export to France. | |||
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"So Covid - shit happens, we will have to kill it or adapt, simple as that Brexit effects - we are starting to see the what we signed up for. We are now vulnerable and we are no longer sitting around the table to see what decisions are being made, we have to suck up. Lisbon Treaty - still reading, but that will have a heavy affect on EU, and then us. And we've been bastards to people over the years, so shouldn't expect any help." This | |||
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"I see Brexit as a superior version of the Cobden Chevalier treaty of 1860 that I'm sure you're all familiar with: "The Cobden–Chevalier Treaty was an Anglo-French free trade agreement signed between Great Britain and France on 23 January 1860. After Britain began free trade policies in 1846, there remained tariffs with France. The 1860 treaty ended tariffs on the main items of trade – wine, brandy and silk goods from France, and coal, iron and industrial goods from Britain. The economic effects were small, but the new policy was widely copied across Europe. According to Stephen Krasner, the treaty set off a "golden age of free trade" in Europe, which was lasted until the late 1870s.[1] It was the first of eight "most favored nation" treaties the British negotiated in the 1860s. By the 1880s, however, the rise of protectionism in Germany, the United States and elsewhere made the treaty less relevant.[2] It was the first modern trade agreement.[3]" You're my favourite forum contributer. So now a brexit benefit is that we're going back to 1860 where the main things traded were brandy, silk, coal and iron. Amazing. You’ll recall from the lesson I gave you a couple of days ago we still trade internationally in all those things, and petroleum products are our number one biggest export to France. " your number one export to all the EU is petroleum products, around 28 billion worth per year, biggest British export to the EU, but here's the thing, this is Scottish petroleum, so what are you going to do when Scotland leaves the union and rejoins the EU | |||
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