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"Let the media circus trial begin  "
Didn't the republicans say they would let him off without even listening to the evidence? Like last time.
In which case, aside from humiliating him, what's the point? |
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"Let the media circus trial begin
Didn't the republicans say they would let him off without even listening to the evidence? Like last time.
In which case, aside from humiliating him, what's the point?"
Yep sounds like they are gonna shit out again. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Let the media circus trial begin
Didn't the republicans say they would let him off without even listening to the evidence? Like last time.
In which case, aside from humiliating him, what's the point?"
Exactly let's have a trial that is not going anywhere. But put the stimulus package on hold. Unity it's so grand. |
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"Yeh he only incited insurrection and got a cop killed, nothing to see here. "
There is nothing to see he is out of office would rather have the stimulus bill voted on. But hey it's all for unity when people are suffering. Dems are scared of his political power but screw the average citizen as usual. But there is nothing to see but suffering for political gain. Unity at its finest. |
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"Yeh he only incited insurrection and got a cop killed, nothing to see here.
There is nothing to see he is out of office would rather have the stimulus bill voted on. But hey it's all for unity when people are suffering. Dems are scared of his political power but screw the average citizen as usual. But there is nothing to see but suffering for political gain. Unity at its finest."
And just let him off Scott free with inciting a violent insurrection. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yeh he only incited insurrection and got a cop killed, nothing to see here.
There is nothing to see he is out of office would rather have the stimulus bill voted on. But hey it's all for unity when people are suffering. Dems are scared of his political power but screw the average citizen as usual. But there is nothing to see but suffering for political gain. Unity at its finest."
It's the republicans that are scared of his political power.
He could split their vote.
That's all they give a fuck about. Doesn't matter what his crimes are. |
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"Yeh he only incited insurrection and got a cop killed, nothing to see here.
There is nothing to see he is out of office would rather have the stimulus bill voted on. But hey it's all for unity when people are suffering. Dems are scared of his political power but screw the average citizen as usual. But there is nothing to see but suffering for political gain. Unity at its finest.
It's the republicans that are scared of his political power.
He could split their vote.
That's all they give a fuck about. Doesn't matter what his crimes are."
Agree, the fact he has been impeached twice, a historic first and then when not in office, another first, says more about the thought processes behind those bringing the actions.....
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He didn't incite an insurrection, he told them to go home, a message that would have gotten out quicker if it weren't for Jack dorseys minions removing the original video of him making that plea. he did encourage protest, anyone that took it across the line should be blamed, not trump.
If you blame trump for that, then make sure you blame the democrat politicians and celebrities that encouraged the protests that turned into riots over George Floyd. |
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"He didn't incite an insurrection, he told them to go home, a message that would have gotten out quicker if it weren't for Jack dorseys minions removing the original video of him making that plea. he did encourage protest, anyone that took it across the line should be blamed, not trump.
If you blame trump for that, then make sure you blame the democrat politicians and celebrities that encouraged the protests that turned into riots over George Floyd. "
In fairness. He only told them to go home afterwards.
Before that he spend days riling them up.
Which democrats or celebs encouraged BLM riots? |
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"Yeh he only incited insurrection and got a cop killed, nothing to see here.
There is nothing to see he is out of office would rather have the stimulus bill voted on. But hey it's all for unity when people are suffering. Dems are scared of his political power but screw the average citizen as usual. But there is nothing to see but suffering for political gain. Unity at its finest.
It's the republicans that are scared of his political power.
He could split their vote.
That's all they give a fuck about. Doesn't matter what his crimes are."
Listening to local radio which should get more attention instead of national media. I beg to differ people feel disenfranchised. Democrats and republican alike. Let's have a impeachment trial because we are scared when people need the stimulus. Both parties are guilty in american suffering. That should be the priority. But the Democrats deemed it is not necessary. So who is the unity party again I mean please give me the facts. People in foodlines and can't afford rent and basic needs. But let's have this trial first because we are scared of other people's voices. Then you wonder why there was a insurrection. |
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"Yeh he only incited insurrection and got a cop killed, nothing to see here.
There is nothing to see he is out of office would rather have the stimulus bill voted on. But hey it's all for unity when people are suffering. Dems are scared of his political power but screw the average citizen as usual. But there is nothing to see but suffering for political gain. Unity at its finest.
It's the republicans that are scared of his political power.
He could split their vote.
That's all they give a fuck about. Doesn't matter what his crimes are.
Listening to local radio which should get more attention instead of national media. I beg to differ people feel disenfranchised. Democrats and republican alike. Let's have a impeachment trial because we are scared when people need the stimulus. Both parties are guilty in american suffering. That should be the priority. But the Democrats deemed it is not necessary. So who is the unity party again I mean please give me the facts. People in foodlines and can't afford rent and basic needs. But let's have this trial first because we are scared of other people's voices. Then you wonder why there was a insurrection."
Does this trial stop other parts of government doing their work?
If I was American, I wouldn't trust either party. They both only care about getting votes and collecting their funding from industry and corporations. Neither party seems to care much about doing what's right. With the exception of the Paris Climate agreement, WHO funding, and stopping sales of arms to terror states. Which are all positives.
If Trump committed crimes. He should stand trial for them. |
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"He didn't incite an insurrection, he told them to go home, a message that would have gotten out quicker if it weren't for Jack dorseys minions removing the original video of him making that plea. he did encourage protest, anyone that took it across the line should be blamed, not trump.
If you blame trump for that, then make sure you blame the democrat politicians and celebrities that encouraged the protests that turned into riots over George Floyd.
In fairness. He only told them to go home afterwards.
Before that he spend days riling them up.
Which democrats or celebs encouraged BLM riots?"
He told them to go home as it started turning, but twitter pulled the video. And Loads of them |
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"Yeh he only incited insurrection and got a cop killed, nothing to see here.
There is nothing to see he is out of office would rather have the stimulus bill voted on. But hey it's all for unity when people are suffering. Dems are scared of his political power but screw the average citizen as usual. But there is nothing to see but suffering for political gain. Unity at its finest.
It's the republicans that are scared of his political power.
He could split their vote.
That's all they give a fuck about. Doesn't matter what his crimes are.
Listening to local radio which should get more attention instead of national media. I beg to differ people feel disenfranchised. Democrats and republican alike. Let's have a impeachment trial because we are scared when people need the stimulus. Both parties are guilty in american suffering. That should be the priority. But the Democrats deemed it is not necessary. So who is the unity party again I mean please give me the facts. People in foodlines and can't afford rent and basic needs. But let's have this trial first because we are scared of other people's voices. Then you wonder why there was a insurrection.
Does this trial stop other parts of government doing their work?
If I was American, I wouldn't trust either party. They both only care about getting votes and collecting their funding from industry and corporations. Neither party seems to care much about doing what's right. With the exception of the Paris Climate agreement, WHO funding, and stopping sales of arms to terror states. Which are all positives.
If Trump committed crimes. He should stand trial for them. "
You have to agree this is not the time to worry about politics. This is why I like less government control. They can give f*ck all about the general public. This could have waited. |
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"Yeh he only incited insurrection and got a cop killed, nothing to see here. "
Yeah telling them to peacefully march is most definitely incitement isnt it...
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I'm not a Trump fan by any means but he told them to peacefully protest before they stormed the Capitol building.
Unless someone can show me otherwise? As in a written quote or a video link. |
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"Scared of a three time loser! I don't think so.  ."
Then why impeachment again when the whole purpose is to say he can't run again? Who is scared ? So why have a trial then when people need the stimulus. No politicians want to settle the fear first at the expense of the people. |
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He shouldn't be allowed to run again because he is a deranged fuckwit. He raised a mob to storm the capitol, killing people in the process, to try and overturn an election he lost by a country mile. How did his legal challenges go btw? |
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"He didn't incite an insurrection, he told them to go home, a message that would have gotten out quicker if it weren't for Jack dorseys minions removing the original video of him making that plea. he did encourage protest, anyone that took it across the line should be blamed, not trump.
If you blame trump for that, then make sure you blame the democrat politicians and celebrities that encouraged the protests that turned into riots over George Floyd. "
At the rally he certainly didmt tell them to go home.
After they had stormed the capital and he had delayed in defending it..and after they had killed a policeman..he them said..go gone we love you.
Nothing to do with the blm protests |
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"Yeh he only incited insurrection and got a cop killed, nothing to see here.
Yeah telling them to peacefully march is most definitely incitement isnt it...
Fight like hell=peacefully March.
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Fight like hell=peacefully March |
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"He shouldn't be allowed to run again because he is a deranged fuckwit. He raised a mob to storm the capitol, killing people in the process, to try and overturn an election he lost by a country mile. How did his legal challenges go btw? "
Sadly people like a deranged fuckwit in charge.
The republicans already said they won't even both looking at the evidence. (Just like at his last impeachment when he asked Ukraine to interfere with their election).
If they vote to impeach him they risk losing the people who like voting for a deranged fuckwit.
Votes justice.
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"Yeh he only incited insurrection and got a cop killed, nothing to see here.
Yeah telling them to peacefully march is most definitely incitement isnt it...
Fight like hell=peacefully March.
Fight like hell=peacefully March "
'Fight like hell' doesn't mean violence, you can fight politically or verbally. A debate is just a verbal boxing match.
It's inflammatory rhetoric, yes. But not incitement to violence. I think your personal bias stopping you from thinking logically.
If you start claiming incitement everytime a politician used inflamtory language you wouldn't have any left. Would you want Bernie Sanders for exmaple put up on charges of incitement because of the incident where Rep. Steve Scalise and multiple others where shot buy a Bernie Supporter?
It's quite obvious this is fuelled by deep disliking of the man personally and nothing else
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"Yeh he only incited insurrection and got a cop killed, nothing to see here.
Yeah telling them to peacefully march is most definitely incitement isnt it...
Fight like hell=peacefully March.
Fight like hell=peacefully March
'Fight like hell' doesn't mean violence, you can fight politically or verbally. A debate is just a verbal boxing match.
It's inflammatory rhetoric, yes. But not incitement to violence. I think your personal bias stopping you from thinking logically.
If you start claiming incitement everytime a politician used inflamtory language you wouldn't have any left. Would you want Bernie Sanders for exmaple put up on charges of incitement because of the incident where Rep. Steve Scalise and multiple others where shot buy a Bernie Supporter?
It's quite obvious this is fuelled by deep disliking of the man personally and nothing else
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After the riot the entire world criticised him.
Even right wing media here.
But yeah but you are right it's just me thinking illogical.
The thing is..we arent talking about Bernie Sanders.
We are talking about a president who for weeks spouted lies about the election being stolen.
After they had rioted and killed policeman he said..go home we love you all.
Care to elaborate on how you would defend that? |
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over a year ago
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I know republicans want to pretend that he isn’t accountable and it never happened.... but he is, and it did... that the grim truth
So pls spare me the bs... own the mess you created!
The house teams presentation was brilliant, that 13 minute video of the timeline was chilling...and Jamie Raskin closing was fantastic...
And the trump defence team... i wondered if they got their degrees from trump u! It was bad... shockingly
One of the impeachment team needs to ask the republican senators just who needed to die in the capitol for you to think trump is guilty! Pelosi? Pence? The squad? Well the answer we know is certainly not the policemen and women who put ther bodies on the line for you and a few making the ultimate sacrifice!
But yeah.... unity unity unity...
Do you know what would help unity.... how about telling people the big lie was a big lie and Trump lost fair and square |
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"He didn't incite an insurrection, he told them to go home, a message that would have gotten out quicker if it weren't for Jack dorseys minions removing the original video of him making that plea. he did encourage protest, anyone that took it across the line should be blamed, not trump.
If you blame trump for that, then make sure you blame the democrat politicians and celebrities that encouraged the protests that turned into riots over George Floyd.
At the rally he certainly didmt tell them to go home.
After they had stormed the capital and he had delayed in defending it..and after they had killed a policeman..he them said..go gone we love you.
Nothing to do with the blm protests "
The video asking them to go home came out hours earlier than it got seen. And that's twitter fault |
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"He didn't incite an insurrection, he told them to go home, a message that would have gotten out quicker if it weren't for Jack dorseys minions removing the original video of him making that plea. he did encourage protest, anyone that took it across the line should be blamed, not trump.
If you blame trump for that, then make sure you blame the democrat politicians and celebrities that encouraged the protests that turned into riots over George Floyd.
At the rally he certainly didmt tell them to go home.
After they had stormed the capital and he had delayed in defending it..and after they had killed a policeman..he them said..go gone we love you.
Nothing to do with the blm protests
The video asking them to go home came out hours earlier than it got seen. And that's twitter fault "
I've never heard of it.
The facts are that for weeks previously he had urged his supporters to disregard the democratic process.
He then had a rally in Washington and again urged his supporters not to accept the result and to "fight like hell'
After the riot he praised them saying we love you all.
It's quite bizarre to argue he had no responsibility at all for what happened. |
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"He didn't incite an insurrection, he told them to go home, a message that would have gotten out quicker if it weren't for Jack dorseys minions removing the original video of him making that plea. he did encourage protest, anyone that took it across the line should be blamed, not trump.
If you blame trump for that, then make sure you blame the democrat politicians and celebrities that encouraged the protests that turned into riots over George Floyd.
At the rally he certainly didmt tell them to go home.
After they had stormed the capital and he had delayed in defending it..and after they had killed a policeman..he them said..go gone we love you.
Nothing to do with the blm protests
The video asking them to go home came out hours earlier than it got seen. And that's twitter fault "
None of it matters it the Republicans are going to acquit him without listening to the evidence.
They only care about retaining Trump voters for the next election. |
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"He didn't incite an insurrection, he told them to go home, a message that would have gotten out quicker if it weren't for Jack dorseys minions removing the original video of him making that plea. he did encourage protest, anyone that took it across the line should be blamed, not trump.
If you blame trump for that, then make sure you blame the democrat politicians and celebrities that encouraged the protests that turned into riots over George Floyd.
At the rally he certainly didmt tell them to go home.
After they had stormed the capital and he had delayed in defending it..and after they had killed a policeman..he them said..go gone we love you.
Nothing to do with the blm protests
The video asking them to go home came out hours earlier than it got seen. And that's twitter fault
I've never heard of it.
The facts are that for weeks previously he had urged his supporters to disregard the democratic process.
He then had a rally in Washington and again urged his supporters not to accept the result and to "fight like hell'
After the riot he praised them saying we love you all.
It's quite bizarre to argue he had no responsibility at all for what happened."
Oh he definitely had responsibility, but not direct incitement. If saying fight like hell is direct incitement then the democrats like waters, Pelosi, pressley and Kamala Harris have to be held to account for their similar words during the blm protests that turned ugly. But he should have kept a tighter lid on his own emotions. Honestly I'm glad he's gone, if he'd have been reelected, the carnage would have been untold there'd have been huge protests. I am not happy that the alternative was Biden though, in an era so charged over racial discrimination the only viable option to trump was the one man that had one of the most severe impacts on black lives in the modern era? |
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"He didn't incite an insurrection, he told them to go home, a message that would have gotten out quicker if it weren't for Jack dorseys minions removing the original video of him making that plea. he did encourage protest, anyone that took it across the line should be blamed, not trump.
If you blame trump for that, then make sure you blame the democrat politicians and celebrities that encouraged the protests that turned into riots over George Floyd.
At the rally he certainly didmt tell them to go home.
After they had stormed the capital and he had delayed in defending it..and after they had killed a policeman..he them said..go gone we love you.
Nothing to do with the blm protests
The video asking them to go home came out hours earlier than it got seen. And that's twitter fault
I've never heard of it.
The facts are that for weeks previously he had urged his supporters to disregard the democratic process.
He then had a rally in Washington and again urged his supporters not to accept the result and to "fight like hell'
After the riot he praised them saying we love you all.
It's quite bizarre to argue he had no responsibility at all for what happened."
If you've never heard of that video. It just proves that you're looking at thi single-sided.
As someone else pointed out 'fight like hell' doesn't incite violence. Maybe it does to you but it certainly doesn't to me. If you take it that way, or any others have then that's on their interpretation.
We love you isn't praise, I can bollock my daughter to high heaven and then tell her I love her, doesn't mean I'm praising her.
You're anti-anything-conservative is getting worse by the day. You can't see anything from afar and analyse to come to a conclusion. |
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seems there is still a number of trumpaholics lying face down in a pool of their own altenative reality vomit and in denial to the bitter end. i'm sure gerry fords wife can find them space in her clinic if they only admit to themselves that they have a very serious problem with not believing the truth. |
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"He didn't incite an insurrection, he told them to go home, a message that would have gotten out quicker if it weren't for Jack dorseys minions removing the original video of him making that plea. he did encourage protest, anyone that took it across the line should be blamed, not trump.
If you blame trump for that, then make sure you blame the democrat politicians and celebrities that encouraged the protests that turned into riots over George Floyd.
At the rally he certainly didmt tell them to go home.
After they had stormed the capital and he had delayed in defending it..and after they had killed a policeman..he them said..go gone we love you.
Nothing to do with the blm protests
The video asking them to go home came out hours earlier than it got seen. And that's twitter fault
I've never heard of it.
The facts are that for weeks previously he had urged his supporters to disregard the democratic process.
He then had a rally in Washington and again urged his supporters not to accept the result and to "fight like hell'
After the riot he praised them saying we love you all.
It's quite bizarre to argue he had no responsibility at all for what happened.
If you've never heard of that video. It just proves that you're looking at thi single-sided.
As someone else pointed out 'fight like hell' doesn't incite violence. Maybe it does to you but it certainly doesn't to me. If you take it that way, or any others have then that's on their interpretation.
We love you isn't praise, I can bollock my daughter to high heaven and then tell her I love her, doesn't mean I'm praising her.
You're anti-anything-conservative is getting worse by the day. You can't see anything from afar and analyse to come to a conclusion."
Go home we love you isnt praise
I think I've genuinly heard it all now.
Presumably you were unaware of the world wide criticism of his actions?
The current president of the us is wrong.
The entire Republican party is wrong.
Politicians and the media across the globe.
You are right.
Genius.
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"seems there is still a number of trumpaholics lying face down in a pool of their own altenative reality vomit and in denial to the bitter end. i'm sure gerry fords wife can find them space in her clinic if they only admit to themselves that they have a very serious problem with not believing the truth."
Its funny..I don't recall too many of them defending him after the Capitol attack but they seem to be crawling out of the woodwork now. |
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"He didn't incite an insurrection, he told them to go home, a message that would have gotten out quicker if it weren't for Jack dorseys minions removing the original video of him making that plea. he did encourage protest, anyone that took it across the line should be blamed, not trump.
If you blame trump for that, then make sure you blame the democrat politicians and celebrities that encouraged the protests that turned into riots over George Floyd.
At the rally he certainly didmt tell them to go home.
After they had stormed the capital and he had delayed in defending it..and after they had killed a policeman..he them said..go gone we love you.
Nothing to do with the blm protests
The video asking them to go home came out hours earlier than it got seen. And that's twitter fault
I've never heard of it.
The facts are that for weeks previously he had urged his supporters to disregard the democratic process.
He then had a rally in Washington and again urged his supporters not to accept the result and to "fight like hell'
After the riot he praised them saying we love you all.
It's quite bizarre to argue he had no responsibility at all for what happened.
Oh he definitely had responsibility, but not direct incitement. If saying fight like hell is direct incitement then the democrats like waters, Pelosi, pressley and Kamala Harris have to be held to account for their similar words during the blm protests that turned ugly. But he should have kept a tighter lid on his own emotions. Honestly I'm glad he's gone, if he'd have been reelected, the carnage would have been untold there'd have been huge protests. I am not happy that the alternative was Biden though, in an era so charged over racial discrimination the only viable option to trump was the one man that had one of the most severe impacts on black lives in the modern era? "
I honestly dont see the relevance in comparing other situations.
If we did that we should compare the ferocity of the police response to the blm protests to the acquiesce of those protecting the capitol(talking selfies etc)
It needs to be taken in isolation.
I've said it before, for weeks he urged his followers not to accept the election.
This is evidence enough. |
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"He didn't incite an insurrection, he told them to go home, a message that would have gotten out quicker if it weren't for Jack dorseys minions removing the original video of him making that plea. he did encourage protest, anyone that took it across the line should be blamed, not trump.
If you blame trump for that, then make sure you blame the democrat politicians and celebrities that encouraged the protests that turned into riots over George Floyd.
At the rally he certainly didmt tell them to go home.
After they had stormed the capital and he had delayed in defending it..and after they had killed a policeman..he them said..go gone we love you.
Nothing to do with the blm protests
The video asking them to go home came out hours earlier than it got seen. And that's twitter fault
I've never heard of it.
The facts are that for weeks previously he had urged his supporters to disregard the democratic process.
He then had a rally in Washington and again urged his supporters not to accept the result and to "fight like hell'
After the riot he praised them saying we love you all.
It's quite bizarre to argue he had no responsibility at all for what happened.
If you've never heard of that video. It just proves that you're looking at thi single-sided.
As someone else pointed out 'fight like hell' doesn't incite violence. Maybe it does to you but it certainly doesn't to me. If you take it that way, or any others have then that's on their interpretation.
We love you isn't praise, I can bollock my daughter to high heaven and then tell her I love her, doesn't mean I'm praising her.
You're anti-anything-conservative is getting worse by the day. You can't see anything from afar and analyse to come to a conclusion.
Go home we love you isnt praise
I think I've genuinly heard it all now.
Presumably you were unaware of the world wide criticism of his actions?
The current president of the us is wrong.
The entire Republican party is wrong.
Politicians and the media across the globe.
You are right.
Genius.
.
"
I was well aware of it. I don't even like the guy but try to see it all from a non-biased pov. Actually see what he said and did instead of knowing better.
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it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to. |
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"He didn't incite an insurrection, he told them to go home, a message that would have gotten out quicker if it weren't for Jack dorseys minions removing the original video of him making that plea. he did encourage protest, anyone that took it across the line should be blamed, not trump.
If you blame trump for that, then make sure you blame the democrat politicians and celebrities that encouraged the protests that turned into riots over George Floyd.
At the rally he certainly didmt tell them to go home.
After they had stormed the capital and he had delayed in defending it..and after they had killed a policeman..he them said..go gone we love you.
Nothing to do with the blm protests
The video asking them to go home came out hours earlier than it got seen. And that's twitter fault
I've never heard of it.
The facts are that for weeks previously he had urged his supporters to disregard the democratic process.
He then had a rally in Washington and again urged his supporters not to accept the result and to "fight like hell'
After the riot he praised them saying we love you all.
It's quite bizarre to argue he had no responsibility at all for what happened.
Oh he definitely had responsibility, but not direct incitement. If saying fight like hell is direct incitement then the democrats like waters, Pelosi, pressley and Kamala Harris have to be held to account for their similar words during the blm protests that turned ugly. But he should have kept a tighter lid on his own emotions. Honestly I'm glad he's gone, if he'd have been reelected, the carnage would have been untold there'd have been huge protests. I am not happy that the alternative was Biden though, in an era so charged over racial discrimination the only viable option to trump was the one man that had one of the most severe impacts on black lives in the modern era?
I honestly dont see the relevance in comparing other situations.
If we did that we should compare the ferocity of the police response to the blm protests to the acquiesce of those protecting the capitol(talking selfies etc)
It needs to be taken in isolation.
I've said it before, for weeks he urged his followers not to accept the election.
This is evidence enough."
I haven't seen all of the footage from the blm protests as they were so wide spread, but as far as I know the police response was mostly if not all appropriate to the situation. If there wasn't a problem they didn't get involved, when there was one they did. There was no problem with letting trumps lot get closer to the capitol building, that was part of the protest, its when the people that breached the capitol building made that move that it turned into a problem. I'm not going to give counter situations that have occurred because it then becomes a cluster fuck of whataboutery. At least it is all over now though. For the next four years till the republicans double down and pull in the trump vote. Its all just a never ending cycle of bollocks, like waiting for England to win the world Cup |
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"it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to. "
The rather bizarre defence seems to be he didnt actually say 'go in and take the place over'
But last time I looked there was a difference between inciting someone and telling them to do something.
Using language like 'fight like hell'would certainly come under the heading of incitement imo. |
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"it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to. "
Ooh, right, so because someone said some words they automatically don't have personal responsibility? Look, they aren't going to get trump on incitement to violence, incitement to violence is a very specific charge, and to charge him on it based on this event and what he said will have constitionally violating effects on the right to protest in the future, and that's not good for any political side. |
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"it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to.
Ooh, right, so because someone said some words they automatically don't have personal responsibility? Look, they aren't going to get trump on incitement to violence, incitement to violence is a very specific charge, and to charge him on it based on this event and what he said will have constitionally violating effects on the right to protest in the future, and that's not good for any political side. "
I don't think the appeachment will go through.
But I think if he gets away with it ,that also sets a dangerous precedent. |
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impeachment is a political process not a legal one. the outcome of impeachment and the evidence provided during the process will determine if there is a legal case to be brought against trump at a later date. there is currently no likely pardon from the sitting president. |
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"it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to.
Ooh, right, so because someone said some words they automatically don't have personal responsibility? Look, they aren't going to get trump on incitement to violence, incitement to violence is a very specific charge, and to charge him on it based on this event and what he said will have constitionally violating effects on the right to protest in the future, and that's not good for any political side.
I don't think the appeachment will go through.
But I think if he gets away with it ,that also sets a dangerous precedent."
I agree. That's the problem with the way politics is at the moment, both sides are getting increasingly more desperate to destroy the other and politicians are following the trends to stay in control. I heard a discussion between bret weinstein and Joe rogan that may help, having a republican and democrat pairing for pres and vp, ones that are centre right and centre left, have both sides work together for a few election cycles, see how that goes. Because this tit for tat shit is getting out of control. |
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"I cant believe he isnt getting done for that Georgia phone call."
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/08/georgia-investigates-trump-phone-call-467661
He is being investigated for this.
If you Google "trump legal 2021" or some such. You'll see the vast array of trouble he is in from fraud, tax irregularities, defamation etc etc. |
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"it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to.
Ooh, right, so because someone said some words they automatically don't have personal responsibility? Look, they aren't going to get trump on incitement to violence, incitement to violence is a very specific charge, and to charge him on it based on this event and what he said will have constitionally violating effects on the right to protest in the future, and that's not good for any political side.
I don't think the appeachment will go through.
But I think if he gets away with it ,that also sets a dangerous precedent.
I agree. That's the problem with the way politics is at the moment, both sides are getting increasingly more desperate to destroy the other and politicians are following the trends to stay in control. I heard a discussion between bret weinstein and Joe rogan that may help, having a republican and democrat pairing for pres and vp, ones that are centre right and centre left, have both sides work together for a few election cycles, see how that goes. Because this tit for tat shit is getting out of control. "
That's an interesting discussion point.
One of the problems is, Biden is centre right. But for years politics has been dragged further and further to the far right that now Biden is seem as an extreme far left socialist. Which is just bonkers. |
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"it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to.
Ooh, right, so because someone said some words they automatically don't have personal responsibility? Look, they aren't going to get trump on incitement to violence, incitement to violence is a very specific charge, and to charge him on it based on this event and what he said will have constitionally violating effects on the right to protest in the future, and that's not good for any political side.
I don't think the appeachment will go through.
But I think if he gets away with it ,that also sets a dangerous precedent.
I agree. That's the problem with the way politics is at the moment, both sides are getting increasingly more desperate to destroy the other and politicians are following the trends to stay in control. I heard a discussion between bret weinstein and Joe rogan that may help, having a republican and democrat pairing for pres and vp, ones that are centre right and centre left, have both sides work together for a few election cycles, see how that goes. Because this tit for tat shit is getting out of control.
That's an interesting discussion point.
One of the problems is, Biden is centre right. But for years politics has been dragged further and further to the far right that now Biden is seem as an extreme far left socialist. Which is just bonkers. "
Its the same over here tbf.
I was listening to a podcast The other day and someone made the point that holding the gmnt to account Is now seen as left wing. |
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"I was listening to a podcast The other day and someone made the point that holding the gmnt to account Is now seen as left wing."
this is the new tory tactic to control all debate and completely close down any debate they dislike. they have banned left thought from schools in the same way that they banned homosexual thought from schools in the past. |
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"it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to.
Ooh, right, so because someone said some words they automatically don't have personal responsibility? Look, they aren't going to get trump on incitement to violence, incitement to violence is a very specific charge, and to charge him on it based on this event and what he said will have constitionally violating effects on the right to protest in the future, and that's not good for any political side.
I don't think the appeachment will go through.
But I think if he gets away with it ,that also sets a dangerous precedent.
I agree. That's the problem with the way politics is at the moment, both sides are getting increasingly more desperate to destroy the other and politicians are following the trends to stay in control. I heard a discussion between bret weinstein and Joe rogan that may help, having a republican and democrat pairing for pres and vp, ones that are centre right and centre left, have both sides work together for a few election cycles, see how that goes. Because this tit for tat shit is getting out of control.
That's an interesting discussion point.
One of the problems is, Biden is centre right. But for years politics has been dragged further and further to the far right that now Biden is seem as an extreme far left socialist. Which is just bonkers.
Its the same over here tbf.
I was listening to a podcast The other day and someone made the point that holding the gmnt to account Is now seen as left wing."
It happens on here all the time. Anyone who dares to question the government gets hounded to fuck. |
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It’s a strange state of affairs. After doing very, very little to address the virus for the last year, many Republicans now say that the impeachment trial stops the passing of a bill urgently needed to help Americans cope with the medical and financial effects of the virus. But it’s essentially a bill their party blocked when Trump was in charge, and which they say is too expensive, suddenly worried again about the deficit that ballooned under Trump. Then there’s this focus on unity, which seems to be defined by the GOP to mean “ignore Trump’s crimes and change the policies you got elected on to meet ours - anything short of agreeing to our position in full is not unity.”
The Democratic Party seems to have its faults, but the hypocrisy of the GOP staggers me.
Most worryingly, a large proportion of the US population seems to agree with Trump over all and any evidence of his wrongs - there’s nothing that can be said to some people to change that. Any normal, sensible human seeing a mob ransacking their country’s seat of government, with the power of the presidency at their disposal, would’ve made a strong announcement on TV from the Oval Office, condemning the riots, demanding they disperse immediately or face the full force of the law. Trump didn’t do that. Blaming Twitter just doesn’t wash. |
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"It’s a strange state of affairs. After doing very, very little to address the virus for the last year, many Republicans now say that the impeachment trial stops the passing of a bill urgently needed to help Americans cope with the medical and financial effects of the virus. But it’s essentially a bill their party blocked when Trump was in charge, and which they say is too expensive, suddenly worried again about the deficit that ballooned under Trump. Then there’s this focus on unity, which seems to be defined by the GOP to mean “ignore Trump’s crimes and change the policies you got elected on to meet ours - anything short of agreeing to our position in full is not unity.”
The Democratic Party seems to have its faults, but the hypocrisy of the GOP staggers me.
Most worryingly, a large proportion of the US population seems to agree with Trump over all and any evidence of his wrongs - there’s nothing that can be said to some people to change that. Any normal, sensible human seeing a mob ransacking their country’s seat of government, with the power of the presidency at their disposal, would’ve made a strong announcement on TV from the Oval Office, condemning the riots, demanding they disperse immediately or face the full force of the law. Trump didn’t do that. Blaming Twitter just doesn’t wash."
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Interesting now how Trump’s impeachment defence lawyer has said to the Senate “President Trump no longer is in office. The object of the constitution has been achieved. He was removed by the voters”
This flys contrary and totally contradicts Donald Trump’s repeated and unsubstantiated allegations that he was the victim of election fraud.
It can’t be both, it’s one thing or the other.
Victim of election fraud
or
Constitutionally voted out of office...
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"it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to.
Ooh, right, so because someone said some words they automatically don't have personal responsibility? Look, they aren't going to get trump on incitement to violence, incitement to violence is a very specific charge, and to charge him on it based on this event and what he said will have constitionally violating effects on the right to protest in the future, and that's not good for any political side.
I don't think the appeachment will go through.
But I think if he gets away with it ,that also sets a dangerous precedent.
I agree. That's the problem with the way politics is at the moment, both sides are getting increasingly more desperate to destroy the other and politicians are following the trends to stay in control. I heard a discussion between bret weinstein and Joe rogan that may help, having a republican and democrat pairing for pres and vp, ones that are centre right and centre left, have both sides work together for a few election cycles, see how that goes. Because this tit for tat shit is getting out of control.
That's an interesting discussion point.
One of the problems is, Biden is centre right. But for years politics has been dragged further and further to the far right that now Biden is seem as an extreme far left socialist. Which is just bonkers. "
If you think politics in America has been dragged to right your actually delusional
If anything the Overton window has been moving to the left |
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Trial is not going to go anywhere polls indicate 45 % of Americans don't want a conviction. They not going to get the votes. It's political suicide for any republican that voting for it. |
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"Trial is not going to go anywhere polls indicate 45 % of Americans don't want a conviction. They not going to get the votes. It's political suicide for any republican that voting for it."
Which means the majority wants to see the sexist dangerous moron convicted. |
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"Trial is not going to go anywhere polls indicate 45 % of Americans don't want a conviction. They not going to get the votes. It's political suicide for any republican that voting for it."
Why don't 45% of Americans want a conviction? Surely most people would want a fair trial and if found guilty, a conviction.
As you said the republicans won't vote for it. Pointless. |
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"it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to.
Ooh, right, so because someone said some words they automatically don't have personal responsibility? Look, they aren't going to get trump on incitement to violence, incitement to violence is a very specific charge, and to charge him on it based on this event and what he said will have constitionally violating effects on the right to protest in the future, and that's not good for any political side.
I don't think the appeachment will go through.
But I think if he gets away with it ,that also sets a dangerous precedent.
I agree. That's the problem with the way politics is at the moment, both sides are getting increasingly more desperate to destroy the other and politicians are following the trends to stay in control. I heard a discussion between bret weinstein and Joe rogan that may help, having a republican and democrat pairing for pres and vp, ones that are centre right and centre left, have both sides work together for a few election cycles, see how that goes. Because this tit for tat shit is getting out of control.
That's an interesting discussion point.
One of the problems is, Biden is centre right. But for years politics has been dragged further and further to the far right that now Biden is seem as an extreme far left socialist. Which is just bonkers.
If you think politics in America has been dragged to right your actually delusional
If anything the Overton window has been moving to the left"
Are we talking about the same thing?
There is no left in American politics at the moment. |
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"it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to.
Ooh, right, so because someone said some words they automatically don't have personal responsibility? Look, they aren't going to get trump on incitement to violence, incitement to violence is a very specific charge, and to charge him on it based on this event and what he said will have constitionally violating effects on the right to protest in the future, and that's not good for any political side.
I don't think the appeachment will go through.
But I think if he gets away with it ,that also sets a dangerous precedent.
I agree. That's the problem with the way politics is at the moment, both sides are getting increasingly more desperate to destroy the other and politicians are following the trends to stay in control. I heard a discussion between bret weinstein and Joe rogan that may help, having a republican and democrat pairing for pres and vp, ones that are centre right and centre left, have both sides work together for a few election cycles, see how that goes. Because this tit for tat shit is getting out of control.
That's an interesting discussion point.
One of the problems is, Biden is centre right. But for years politics has been dragged further and further to the far right that now Biden is seem as an extreme far left socialist. Which is just bonkers.
If you think politics in America has been dragged to right your actually delusional
If anything the Overton window has been moving to the left
Are we talking about the same thing?
There is no left in American politics at the moment. "
yep you're delusional.
The main democratic party are cente left by American standards
So you think people like AOC are right wing? |
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"it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to.
Ooh, right, so because someone said some words they automatically don't have personal responsibility? Look, they aren't going to get trump on incitement to violence, incitement to violence is a very specific charge, and to charge him on it based on this event and what he said will have constitionally violating effects on the right to protest in the future, and that's not good for any political side.
I don't think the appeachment will go through.
But I think if he gets away with it ,that also sets a dangerous precedent.
I agree. That's the problem with the way politics is at the moment, both sides are getting increasingly more desperate to destroy the other and politicians are following the trends to stay in control. I heard a discussion between bret weinstein and Joe rogan that may help, having a republican and democrat pairing for pres and vp, ones that are centre right and centre left, have both sides work together for a few election cycles, see how that goes. Because this tit for tat shit is getting out of control.
That's an interesting discussion point.
One of the problems is, Biden is centre right. But for years politics has been dragged further and further to the far right that now Biden is seem as an extreme far left socialist. Which is just bonkers.
If you think politics in America has been dragged to right your actually delusional
If anything the Overton window has been moving to the left
Are we talking about the same thing?
There is no left in American politics at the moment.
yep you're delusional.
The main democratic party are cente left by American standards
So you think people like AOC are right wing?"
The key words there are by American standards. |
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It's getting to the point that the divide is too big you have nuts on the left and nuts on the right and there is no condemnation from either side. Buckle up 2021 looking to be one hell of a ride. |
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"it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to.
Ooh, right, so because someone said some words they automatically don't have personal responsibility? Look, they aren't going to get trump on incitement to violence, incitement to violence is a very specific charge, and to charge him on it based on this event and what he said will have constitionally violating effects on the right to protest in the future, and that's not good for any political side.
I don't think the appeachment will go through.
But I think if he gets away with it ,that also sets a dangerous precedent.
I agree. That's the problem with the way politics is at the moment, both sides are getting increasingly more desperate to destroy the other and politicians are following the trends to stay in control. I heard a discussion between bret weinstein and Joe rogan that may help, having a republican and democrat pairing for pres and vp, ones that are centre right and centre left, have both sides work together for a few election cycles, see how that goes. Because this tit for tat shit is getting out of control.
That's an interesting discussion point.
One of the problems is, Biden is centre right. But for years politics has been dragged further and further to the far right that now Biden is seem as an extreme far left socialist. Which is just bonkers.
If you think politics in America has been dragged to right your actually delusional
If anything the Overton window has been moving to the left
Are we talking about the same thing?
There is no left in American politics at the moment. "
Joe Biden is centre-left. Look at his policies and ideas. He even says so himself |
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"it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to.
Ooh, right, so because someone said some words they automatically don't have personal responsibility? Look, they aren't going to get trump on incitement to violence, incitement to violence is a very specific charge, and to charge him on it based on this event and what he said will have constitionally violating effects on the right to protest in the future, and that's not good for any political side.
I don't think the appeachment will go through.
But I think if he gets away with it ,that also sets a dangerous precedent.
I agree. That's the problem with the way politics is at the moment, both sides are getting increasingly more desperate to destroy the other and politicians are following the trends to stay in control. I heard a discussion between bret weinstein and Joe rogan that may help, having a republican and democrat pairing for pres and vp, ones that are centre right and centre left, have both sides work together for a few election cycles, see how that goes. Because this tit for tat shit is getting out of control.
That's an interesting discussion point.
One of the problems is, Biden is centre right. But for years politics has been dragged further and further to the far right that now Biden is seem as an extreme far left socialist. Which is just bonkers.
If you think politics in America has been dragged to right your actually delusional
If anything the Overton window has been moving to the left
Are we talking about the same thing?
There is no left in American politics at the moment.
yep you're delusional.
The main democratic party are cente left by American standards
So you think people like AOC are right wing?"
As soon as you start calling people "delusional" for describing things, all discussion becomes utterly pointless. As your views are clearly set in stone, there seems no point in answering your question.
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"it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to.
Ooh, right, so because someone said some words they automatically don't have personal responsibility? Look, they aren't going to get trump on incitement to violence, incitement to violence is a very specific charge, and to charge him on it based on this event and what he said will have constitionally violating effects on the right to protest in the future, and that's not good for any political side.
I don't think the appeachment will go through.
But I think if he gets away with it ,that also sets a dangerous precedent.
I agree. That's the problem with the way politics is at the moment, both sides are getting increasingly more desperate to destroy the other and politicians are following the trends to stay in control. I heard a discussion between bret weinstein and Joe rogan that may help, having a republican and democrat pairing for pres and vp, ones that are centre right and centre left, have both sides work together for a few election cycles, see how that goes. Because this tit for tat shit is getting out of control.
That's an interesting discussion point.
One of the problems is, Biden is centre right. But for years politics has been dragged further and further to the far right that now Biden is seem as an extreme far left socialist. Which is just bonkers.
If you think politics in America has been dragged to right your actually delusional
If anything the Overton window has been moving to the left
Are we talking about the same thing?
There is no left in American politics at the moment.
Joe Biden is centre-left. Look at his policies and ideas. He even says so himself "
People say a lot of things about himself.
He stood on a centre right platform. Some of the things he's implemented so far have been centre left and some have been centre right.
As long as he panders to the financial sector that sponsored his election campaign, he won't be able to be left wing. |
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"it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to.
Ooh, right, so because someone said some words they automatically don't have personal responsibility? Look, they aren't going to get trump on incitement to violence, incitement to violence is a very specific charge, and to charge him on it based on this event and what he said will have constitionally violating effects on the right to protest in the future, and that's not good for any political side.
I don't think the appeachment will go through.
But I think if he gets away with it ,that also sets a dangerous precedent.
I agree. That's the problem with the way politics is at the moment, both sides are getting increasingly more desperate to destroy the other and politicians are following the trends to stay in control. I heard a discussion between bret weinstein and Joe rogan that may help, having a republican and democrat pairing for pres and vp, ones that are centre right and centre left, have both sides work together for a few election cycles, see how that goes. Because this tit for tat shit is getting out of control.
That's an interesting discussion point.
One of the problems is, Biden is centre right. But for years politics has been dragged further and further to the far right that now Biden is seem as an extreme far left socialist. Which is just bonkers.
If you think politics in America has been dragged to right your actually delusional
If anything the Overton window has been moving to the left
Are we talking about the same thing?
There is no left in American politics at the moment.
Joe Biden is centre-left. Look at his policies and ideas. He even says so himself
People say a lot of things about himself.
He stood on a centre right platform. Some of the things he's implemented so far have been centre left and some have been centre right.
As long as he panders to the financial sector that sponsored his election campaign, he won't be able to be left wing. "
So he implements centre-left and centre-right but you call him centre-right? How about for arguments sake he's actually centre. We can all love home now |
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"it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to.
Ooh, right, so because someone said some words they automatically don't have personal responsibility? Look, they aren't going to get trump on incitement to violence, incitement to violence is a very specific charge, and to charge him on it based on this event and what he said will have constitionally violating effects on the right to protest in the future, and that's not good for any political side.
I don't think the appeachment will go through.
But I think if he gets away with it ,that also sets a dangerous precedent.
I agree. That's the problem with the way politics is at the moment, both sides are getting increasingly more desperate to destroy the other and politicians are following the trends to stay in control. I heard a discussion between bret weinstein and Joe rogan that may help, having a republican and democrat pairing for pres and vp, ones that are centre right and centre left, have both sides work together for a few election cycles, see how that goes. Because this tit for tat shit is getting out of control.
That's an interesting discussion point.
One of the problems is, Biden is centre right. But for years politics has been dragged further and further to the far right that now Biden is seem as an extreme far left socialist. Which is just bonkers.
If you think politics in America has been dragged to right your actually delusional
If anything the Overton window has been moving to the left
Are we talking about the same thing?
There is no left in American politics at the moment.
Joe Biden is centre-left. Look at his policies and ideas. He even says so himself
People say a lot of things about himself.
He stood on a centre right platform. Some of the things he's implemented so far have been centre left and some have been centre right.
As long as he panders to the financial sector that sponsored his election campaign, he won't be able to be left wing.
So he implements centre-left and centre-right but you call him centre-right? How about for arguments sake he's actually centre. We can all love home now "
Based on his party and his manifesto.
He may turn out to be centre left. But I don't see it happening outside of some token gestures. We will see though. |
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"it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to.
Ooh, right, so because someone said some words they automatically don't have personal responsibility? Look, they aren't going to get trump on incitement to violence, incitement to violence is a very specific charge, and to charge him on it based on this event and what he said will have constitionally violating effects on the right to protest in the future, and that's not good for any political side.
I don't think the appeachment will go through.
But I think if he gets away with it ,that also sets a dangerous precedent.
I agree. That's the problem with the way politics is at the moment, both sides are getting increasingly more desperate to destroy the other and politicians are following the trends to stay in control. I heard a discussion between bret weinstein and Joe rogan that may help, having a republican and democrat pairing for pres and vp, ones that are centre right and centre left, have both sides work together for a few election cycles, see how that goes. Because this tit for tat shit is getting out of control.
That's an interesting discussion point.
One of the problems is, Biden is centre right. But for years politics has been dragged further and further to the far right that now Biden is seem as an extreme far left socialist. Which is just bonkers.
If you think politics in America has been dragged to right your actually delusional
If anything the Overton window has been moving to the left
Are we talking about the same thing?
There is no left in American politics at the moment.
Joe Biden is centre-left. Look at his policies and ideas. He even says so himself
People say a lot of things about himself.
He stood on a centre right platform. Some of the things he's implemented so far have been centre left and some have been centre right.
As long as he panders to the financial sector that sponsored his election campaign, he won't be able to be left wing.
So he implements centre-left and centre-right but you call him centre-right? How about for arguments sake he's actually centre. We can all love home now
Based on his party and his manifesto.
He may turn out to be centre left. But I don't see it happening outside of some token gestures. We will see though. "
XL pipeline left agenda.But it's ok they transporting oil by rail is so environmentally friendly. Trains billowing so much better. |
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In my opinion the riots over the summer not doing nothing about it led to the idiots storming the Capitol thinking they can get away with it too. It's a direct result of violence from both sides. |
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"it appears that the right wing terrorists who stormed the capitol who were subsequently arrested have given statements confirming that they only travelled to DC because trump instructed them to. it seems they have also said the only reason for them violently attacking the capitol in an act of open right wing insurrection and commiting murders was because trump instructed them to.
Ooh, right, so because someone said some words they automatically don't have personal responsibility? Look, they aren't going to get trump on incitement to violence, incitement to violence is a very specific charge, and to charge him on it based on this event and what he said will have constitionally violating effects on the right to protest in the future, and that's not good for any political side.
I don't think the appeachment will go through.
But I think if he gets away with it ,that also sets a dangerous precedent.
I agree. That's the problem with the way politics is at the moment, both sides are getting increasingly more desperate to destroy the other and politicians are following the trends to stay in control. I heard a discussion between bret weinstein and Joe rogan that may help, having a republican and democrat pairing for pres and vp, ones that are centre right and centre left, have both sides work together for a few election cycles, see how that goes. Because this tit for tat shit is getting out of control.
That's an interesting discussion point.
One of the problems is, Biden is centre right. But for years politics has been dragged further and further to the far right that now Biden is seem as an extreme far left socialist. Which is just bonkers.
If you think politics in America has been dragged to right your actually delusional
If anything the Overton window has been moving to the left
Are we talking about the same thing?
There is no left in American politics at the moment.
Joe Biden is centre-left. Look at his policies and ideas. He even says so himself
People say a lot of things about himself.
He stood on a centre right platform. Some of the things he's implemented so far have been centre left and some have been centre right.
As long as he panders to the financial sector that sponsored his election campaign, he won't be able to be left wing.
So he implements centre-left and centre-right but you call him centre-right? How about for arguments sake he's actually centre. We can all love home now
Based on his party and his manifesto.
He may turn out to be centre left. But I don't see it happening outside of some token gestures. We will see though.
XL pipeline left agenda.But it's ok they transporting oil by rail is so environmentally friendly. Trains billowing so much better. "
The environmental concerns about the keystone pipeline were around.
1. Use of fossil fuels when we should be transitioning away from them.
2. Pollution of the ogallala aquifer which supplies freshwater for 2 million people.
3. Oil spills which inevitably happen with large scale pipelines.
To suggest that it's only the left who care about climate change, the environment or drinking water seems a little patronising to the right. |
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1. Gates and buffet own the majority of railways. Who is more threatened by the use of pipelines for transportation ? If they want change shut those operations down too it's still transporting the evil oil. |
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"In my opinion the riots over the summer not doing nothing about it led to the idiots storming the Capitol thinking they can get away with it too. It's a direct result of violence from both sides."
The riots were a direct result of trump not accepting the election.
That is a cold hard fact. |
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"In my opinion the riots over the summer not doing nothing about it led to the idiots storming the Capitol thinking they can get away with it too. It's a direct result of violence from both sides.
The riots were a direct result of trump not accepting the election.
That is a cold hard fact."
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Violence both sides FACT. |
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"In my opinion the riots over the summer not doing nothing about it led to the idiots storming the Capitol thinking they can get away with it too. It's a direct result of violence from both sides.
The riots were a direct result of trump not accepting the election.
That is a cold hard fact..
Violence both sides FACT."
Is it possible to mention the insurrection without invoking the blm protests? |
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"In my opinion the riots over the summer not doing nothing about it led to the idiots storming the Capitol thinking they can get away with it too. It's a direct result of violence from both sides.
The riots were a direct result of trump not accepting the election.
That is a cold hard fact..
Violence both sides FACT.
Is it possible to mention the insurrection without invoking the blm protests?"
No because it is ludicrous to think 1 side is right on the other is wrong when violence was preformed by both and still is. Convicting trump is not going to change that. |
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"In my opinion the riots over the summer not doing nothing about it led to the idiots storming the Capitol thinking they can get away with it too. It's a direct result of violence from both sides.
The riots were a direct result of trump not accepting the election.
That is a cold hard fact..
Violence both sides FACT.
Is it possible to mention the insurrection without invoking the blm protests?
No because it is ludicrous to think 1 side is right on the other is wrong when violence was preformed by both and still is. Convicting trump is not going to change that."
So its unrealistic to expect to have a proper debate then as every argument will be countered with..but what about? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"In my opinion the riots over the summer not doing nothing about it led to the idiots storming the Capitol thinking they can get away with it too. It's a direct result of violence from both sides.
The riots were a direct result of trump not accepting the election.
That is a cold hard fact..
Violence both sides FACT."
So you are equating protests of black people being killed by police to one side not accepting the results of an election.... gotcha...
If you want to do a real comparison... how about if the protest on January 6th had been Black Lives Matter Protesters rather than MAGA... the amount of people dead would likely be in the dozens!!! (And please spare me the whole black and white people arent treated differently, because that was a perfect example that they are!!!)
Anyway.. looks like Trump is in real shit criminally... Fulton County have opened criminal investigations into him trying to tamper with the Georgia federal election results with regards to the Georgia Governor and the Georgia sec of state and AG and those “calls” |
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"In my opinion the riots over the summer not doing nothing about it led to the idiots storming the Capitol thinking they can get away with it too. It's a direct result of violence from both sides.
The riots were a direct result of trump not accepting the election.
That is a cold hard fact..
Violence both sides FACT.
Is it possible to mention the insurrection without invoking the blm protests?
No because it is ludicrous to think 1 side is right on the other is wrong when violence was preformed by both and still is. Convicting trump is not going to change that.
So its unrealistic to expect to have a proper debate then as every argument will be countered with..but what about?"
That is the root of the problem. Until you recognize that both sides are guilty it not going to change. I live here it's the problem. So let's have a trial and make it worse. |
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"In my opinion the riots over the summer not doing nothing about it led to the idiots storming the Capitol thinking they can get away with it too. It's a direct result of violence from both sides.
The riots were a direct result of trump not accepting the election.
That is a cold hard fact..
Violence both sides FACT.
Is it possible to mention the insurrection without invoking the blm protests?
No because it is ludicrous to think 1 side is right on the other is wrong when violence was preformed by both and still is. Convicting trump is not going to change that.
So its unrealistic to expect to have a proper debate then as every argument will be countered with..but what about?
That is the root of the problem. Until you recognize that both sides are guilty it not going to change. I live here it's the problem. So let's have a trial and make it worse."
You can separate them and process each one individually. |
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"In my opinion the riots over the summer not doing nothing about it led to the idiots storming the Capitol thinking they can get away with it too. It's a direct result of violence from both sides.
The riots were a direct result of trump not accepting the election.
That is a cold hard fact..
Violence both sides FACT."
The opposite of a Trump fan rioting at the capitol is normal people.
So "both sides" here, are rioters against democracy, and normal people. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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XL pipeline left agenda.But it's ok they transporting oil by rail is so environmentally friendly. Trains billowing so much better. "
Other that the environmental issues.... don’t you think it was somewhat of a co-incidence that every county with a white majority population that objected to it going thru their county won it... so it had to be re-routed... whereas every Native American county where they objected to it had their appeal declined.....
I wouldn’t like to suggest that the government had an alterior motive.... but.... hmmmmmm |
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XL pipeline left agenda.But it's ok they transporting oil by rail is so environmentally friendly. Trains billowing so much better.
Other that the environmental issues.... don’t you think it was somewhat of a co-incidence that every county with a white majority population that objected to it going thru their county won it... so it had to be re-routed... whereas every Native American county where they objected to it had their appeal declined.....
I wouldn’t like to suggest that the government had an alterior motive.... but.... hmmmmmm"
. The pipeline was approved by the senate under Obama why didn't he use EC then ? |
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XL pipeline left agenda.But it's ok they transporting oil by rail is so environmentally friendly. Trains billowing so much better.
Other that the environmental issues.... don’t you think it was somewhat of a co-incidence that every county with a white majority population that objected to it going thru their county won it... so it had to be re-routed... whereas every Native American county where they objected to it had their appeal declined.....
I wouldn’t like to suggest that the government had an alterior motive.... but.... hmmmmmm. The pipeline was approved by the senate under Obama why didn't he use EC then ?"
. Executive orders. |
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