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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
That was delivering fish, he was a bit surpriced of the waiting time and with all the paperwork he had to sign, here is the artickle, will this happen more and more with brexit? I think it will do that.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-55887043 |
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over a year ago
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"That was delivering fish, he was a bit surpriced of the waiting time and with all the paperwork he had to sign, here is the artickle, will this happen more and more with brexit? I think it will do that.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-55887043"
I thought Brexit was about less bureaucracy? |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"That was delivering fish, he was a bit surpriced of the waiting time and with all the paperwork he had to sign, here is the artickle, will this happen more and more with brexit? I think it will do that.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-55887043
I thought Brexit was about less bureaucracy? "
Yes, one would think so, but apparently not, reality is coming quick and fast with brexit too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin  |
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"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin "
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 .. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 .. "
The lady who does your books is likely more than 'admin' |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin "
I wouldnt think this would of happened so much if there wasnt a brexit. I reckon it would of gone alot more smoothly tho. |
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By *adetMan
over a year ago
South of Ipswich |
"2 or 3 admin staff working out of a portacabin would cost that in wages anyways 
He said one full time member of staff"
Then a bit further down he says that the paperwork would take somebody up to 1 o'clock in the afternoon to complete. I'd do that for 30-40 grand a year!
A lot of the paperwork the article mentions already had to be done before Brexit anyway and just from a scan it looks like he's undertaking more paperwork in-house than a normal exporter ever would
Typical BBC article really |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin "
If you read the article it goes through in some detail what the paperwork is for. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
If you read the article it goes through in some detail what the paperwork is for."
I read the article. I asked why 22 invoices. It doesn't detail that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"2 or 3 admin staff working out of a portacabin would cost that in wages anyways
He said one full time member of staff
Ah I stand corrected "
Actually I stand corrected. It's one member of staff until 1pm. That's an astronomical wage for a part time admin person |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
When you actually read the article alot of that paperwork is starting from scratch once you have the details for eg of the boat ,reg,licence etc in the pc its just a matter of hitting a button,i really cant be bothered to point out all the things that are one off entries.Typical of the media. |
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By *adetMan
over a year ago
South of Ipswich |
"When you actually read the article alot of that paperwork is starting from scratch once you have the details for eg of the boat ,reg,licence etc in the pc its just a matter of hitting a button,i really cant be bothered to point out all the things that are one off entries.Typical of the media. "
He seems to be doing the job of a Freight Forwader and an exporter but the BBC typically neglected to point that out |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
If you read the article it goes through in some detail what the paperwork is for.
I read the article. I asked why 22 invoices. It doesn't detail that."
The load is made up of more than one type of fish. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"When you actually read the article alot of that paperwork is starting from scratch once you have the details for eg of the boat ,reg,licence etc in the pc its just a matter of hitting a button,i really cant be bothered to point out all the things that are one off entries.Typical of the media. "
Let’s be honest, it’s far more paper work than there used to be |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"When you actually read the article alot of that paperwork is starting from scratch once you have the details for eg of the boat ,reg,licence etc in the pc its just a matter of hitting a button,i really cant be bothered to point out all the things that are one off entries.Typical of the media.
He seems to be doing the job of a Freight Forwader and an exporter but the BBC typically neglected to point that out "
He is the Freight Forwarder and the Exporter as he has his own trucks. I think. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
If you read the article it goes through in some detail what the paperwork is for.
I read the article. I asked why 22 invoices. It doesn't detail that.
The load is made up of more than one type of fish."
And the can't all be detailed on one invoice? |
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By *adetMan
over a year ago
South of Ipswich |
"When you actually read the article alot of that paperwork is starting from scratch once you have the details for eg of the boat ,reg,licence etc in the pc its just a matter of hitting a button,i really cant be bothered to point out all the things that are one off entries.Typical of the media.
He seems to be doing the job of a Freight Forwader and an exporter but the BBC typically neglected to point that out
He is the Freight Forwarder and the Exporter as he has his own trucks. I think."
It says he is an exporter of fish but usually exporters farm the paperwork out to a freight forwarder who would then refine the process |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"When you actually read the article alot of that paperwork is starting from scratch once you have the details for eg of the boat ,reg,licence etc in the pc its just a matter of hitting a button,i really cant be bothered to point out all the things that are one off entries.Typical of the media.
Let’s be honest, it’s far more paper work than there used to be "
That is true yes. |
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"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 ..
The lady who does your books is likely more than 'admin'"
I don’t need you to tell me what I pay her for thank you very much . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 ..
The lady who does your books is likely more than 'admin'
I don’t need you to tell me what I pay her for thank you very much . "
You're trying to compare a bookkeeper to admin.
Or are you telling me you pay circa 35k for admin? I'm slightly confused |
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"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 ..
The lady who does your books is likely more than 'admin'
I don’t need you to tell me what I pay her for thank you very much .
You're trying to compare a bookkeeper to admin.
Or are you telling me you pay circa 35k for admin? I'm slightly confused "
Debatable as to why you are confused .
Administration of my business , the ins and the outs . The bills the insurances the general day to day running of the office side . She puts ins in the in coloum and outs in the out column . So when the accountant comes in there’s not two ton of receipts sat in a bin bag on the desk . .. she puts the pens in the pen drawer and paper in the printer .. When someone asks who deals with the admin , I point to her . Admin ..get it ? There’s nothing to be confused about .. unless of course your just spouting of the top of your head . And don’t understand how small business works ..
If I was to say to her on a Monday morning . We now have to complete all this extra paperwork , and she replied that is going to take me two days instead of one . Then I would have to pay her more obviously ..
35k for a reliable person who knows admin and can get the job done ... all day long .. pay peanuts you get monkeys ... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 ..
The lady who does your books is likely more than 'admin'
I don’t need you to tell me what I pay her for thank you very much .
You're trying to compare a bookkeeper to admin.
Or are you telling me you pay circa 35k for admin? I'm slightly confused
Debatable as to why you are confused .
Administration of my business , the ins and the outs . The bills the insurances the general day to day running of the office side . She puts ins in the in coloum and outs in the out column . So when the accountant comes in there’s not two ton of receipts sat in a bin bag on the desk . .. she puts the pens in the pen drawer and paper in the printer .. When someone asks who deals with the admin , I point to her . Admin ..get it ? There’s nothing to be confused about .. unless of course your just spouting of the top of your head . And don’t understand how small business works ..
If I was to say to her on a Monday morning . We now have to complete all this extra paperwork , and she replied that is going to take me two days instead of one . Then I would have to pay her more obviously ..
35k for a reliable person who knows admin and can get the job done ... all day long .. pay peanuts you get monkeys ... "
I know perfectly well how small business works. I've only been doing it for 15 years.
If she is doing bookkeeping then she is doing more than 'filling out forms' which is what the article stated.
BTW, the average admin job commands 23k and the average bookkeeping job commands 27k. So I'm still gonna call bullshit on 30-40k for filling outnforms in Dorset (my locaion).
I'd hazard a guess that location commands average wages.
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"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 ..
The lady who does your books is likely more than 'admin'
I don’t need you to tell me what I pay her for thank you very much .
You're trying to compare a bookkeeper to admin.
Or are you telling me you pay circa 35k for admin? I'm slightly confused
Debatable as to why you are confused .
Administration of my business , the ins and the outs . The bills the insurances the general day to day running of the office side . She puts ins in the in coloum and outs in the out column . So when the accountant comes in there’s not two ton of receipts sat in a bin bag on the desk . .. she puts the pens in the pen drawer and paper in the printer .. When someone asks who deals with the admin , I point to her . Admin ..get it ? There’s nothing to be confused about .. unless of course your just spouting of the top of your head . And don’t understand how small business works ..
If I was to say to her on a Monday morning . We now have to complete all this extra paperwork , and she replied that is going to take me two days instead of one . Then I would have to pay her more obviously ..
35k for a reliable person who knows admin and can get the job done ... all day long .. pay peanuts you get monkeys ...
I know perfectly well how small business works. I've only been doing it for 15 years.
If she is doing bookkeeping then she is doing more than 'filling out forms' which is what the article stated.
BTW, the average admin job commands 23k and the average bookkeeping job commands 27k. So I'm still gonna call bullshit on 30-40k for filling outnforms in Dorset (my locaion).
I'd hazard a guess that location commands average wages.
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Yeah well I’ve been doing it for 30 years so I’ve top trumped ya
Keep paying your peanuts |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"2 or 3 admin staff working out of a portacabin would cost that in wages anyways
He said one full time member of staff
Then a bit further down he says that the paperwork would take somebody up to 1 o'clock in the afternoon to complete. I'd do that for 30-40 grand a year!
A lot of the paperwork the article mentions already had to be done before Brexit anyway and just from a scan it looks like he's undertaking more paperwork in-house than a normal exporter ever would
Typical BBC article really"
So he’d be better off paying a contractor to do his paperwork? Really?. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
If you read the article it goes through in some detail what the paperwork is for.
I read the article. I asked why 22 invoices. It doesn't detail that.
The load is made up of more than one type of fish.
And the can't all be detailed on one invoice?"
You have to raise commercial invoices for every different item on each order and client for customs. It’s why groupage hauliers are having a nightmare as they get one error and the whole truck stops. |
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By *adetMan
over a year ago
South of Ipswich |
"2 or 3 admin staff working out of a portacabin would cost that in wages anyways
He said one full time member of staff
Then a bit further down he says that the paperwork would take somebody up to 1 o'clock in the afternoon to complete. I'd do that for 30-40 grand a year!
A lot of the paperwork the article mentions already had to be done before Brexit anyway and just from a scan it looks like he's undertaking more paperwork in-house than a normal exporter ever would
Typical BBC article really
So he’d be better off paying a contractor to do his paperwork? Really?. "
That's how most exporters do it - they use freight forwarders who specialize in shipping documentation. He seems to be doing it all in house |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"When you actually read the article alot of that paperwork is starting from scratch once you have the details for eg of the boat ,reg,licence etc in the pc its just a matter of hitting a button,i really cant be bothered to point out all the things that are one off entries.Typical of the media.
He seems to be doing the job of a Freight Forwader and an exporter but the BBC typically neglected to point that out
He is the Freight Forwarder and the Exporter as he has his own trucks. I think.
It says he is an exporter of fish but usually exporters farm the paperwork out to a freight forwarder who would then refine the process "
The paperwork has to be created by the shipper before it goes anywhere near a customs clearance operator. Not all freight forwarders have the ability do customs btw. It’s an expensive pastime with deferment accounts.
Because there is no software ready yet it’s a manual task but you can pre populate around 25% on your own forms. The rest sadly is manual.
The clearance guys again intervene manually as again software not ready . It’s archaic. If you get the weights out on a T1 by a kilo it’s risking being rejected. So you have to wait until the truck is loaded to start to create a T1 . Delays which equals costs. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"2 or 3 admin staff working out of a portacabin would cost that in wages anyways
He said one full time member of staff
Then a bit further down he says that the paperwork would take somebody up to 1 o'clock in the afternoon to complete. I'd do that for 30-40 grand a year!
A lot of the paperwork the article mentions already had to be done before Brexit anyway and just from a scan it looks like he's undertaking more paperwork in-house than a normal exporter ever would
Typical BBC article really
So he’d be better off paying a contractor to do his paperwork? Really?.
That's how most exporters do it - they use freight forwarders who specialize in shipping documentation. He seems to be doing it all in house"
Only smaller operators would have a freight forwarder in the middle unless they have a logistics contract with the exporter that includes customs. It’s likely the freight forwarder contracts it out again down the chain. That includes large freight forwarders.
Experienced exporters deal direct with clearance agents. |
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By *adetMan
over a year ago
South of Ipswich |
"When you actually read the article alot of that paperwork is starting from scratch once you have the details for eg of the boat ,reg,licence etc in the pc its just a matter of hitting a button,i really cant be bothered to point out all the things that are one off entries.Typical of the media.
He seems to be doing the job of a Freight Forwader and an exporter but the BBC typically neglected to point that out
He is the Freight Forwarder and the Exporter as he has his own trucks. I think.
It says he is an exporter of fish but usually exporters farm the paperwork out to a freight forwarder who would then refine the process
The paperwork has to be created by the shipper before it goes anywhere near a customs clearance operator. Not all freight forwarders have the ability do customs btw. It’s an expensive pastime with deferment accounts.
Because there is no software ready yet it’s a manual task but you can pre populate around 25% on your own forms. The rest sadly is manual.
The clearance guys again intervene manually as again software not ready . It’s archaic. If you get the weights out on a T1 by a kilo it’s risking being rejected. So you have to wait until the truck is loaded to start to create a T1 . Delays which equals costs. "
I know all that, I work in shipping, as do you expect but what does it have to what the article says |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"This sounds a load of nonesense and suits nobody I am sure it will be changed even the stupid idiots at the EU cannot be happy with this it is all very childish and pointless"
It was us that voted for this not the EU. How are they idiots for us adding costs? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"When you actually read the article alot of that paperwork is starting from scratch once you have the details for eg of the boat ,reg,licence etc in the pc its just a matter of hitting a button,i really cant be bothered to point out all the things that are one off entries.Typical of the media.
He seems to be doing the job of a Freight Forwader and an exporter but the BBC typically neglected to point that out
He is the Freight Forwarder and the Exporter as he has his own trucks. I think.
It says he is an exporter of fish but usually exporters farm the paperwork out to a freight forwarder who would then refine the process
The paperwork has to be created by the shipper before it goes anywhere near a customs clearance operator. Not all freight forwarders have the ability do customs btw. It’s an expensive pastime with deferment accounts.
Because there is no software ready yet it’s a manual task but you can pre populate around 25% on your own forms. The rest sadly is manual.
The clearance guys again intervene manually as again software not ready . It’s archaic. If you get the weights out on a T1 by a kilo it’s risking being rejected. So you have to wait until the truck is loaded to start to create a T1 . Delays which equals costs.
I know all that, I work in shipping, as do you expect but what does it have to what the article says "
’m responding to you saying it can be simplified . Right now it can’t due to lack of software and he definitely has a lot more admin due to customs and vat rules. So palming off anything to a freight forwarder won’t help at all. A freight forwarder will just charge to hand over his paperwork to a customs clearance agent adding no value or efficiency in doing so.
I have logistics knowledge from exporting for 35 years. I also had interests in international logistics years ago. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This sounds a load of nonesense and suits nobody I am sure it will be changed even the stupid idiots at the EU cannot be happy with this it is all very childish and pointless"
Why did you vote for it then? |
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By *adetMan
over a year ago
South of Ipswich |
"When you actually read the article alot of that paperwork is starting from scratch once you have the details for eg of the boat ,reg,licence etc in the pc its just a matter of hitting a button,i really cant be bothered to point out all the things that are one off entries.Typical of the media.
He seems to be doing the job of a Freight Forwader and an exporter but the BBC typically neglected to point that out
He is the Freight Forwarder and the Exporter as he has his own trucks. I think.
It says he is an exporter of fish but usually exporters farm the paperwork out to a freight forwarder who would then refine the process
The paperwork has to be created by the shipper before it goes anywhere near a customs clearance operator. Not all freight forwarders have the ability do customs btw. It’s an expensive pastime with deferment accounts.
Because there is no software ready yet it’s a manual task but you can pre populate around 25% on your own forms. The rest sadly is manual.
The clearance guys again intervene manually as again software not ready . It’s archaic. If you get the weights out on a T1 by a kilo it’s risking being rejected. So you have to wait until the truck is loaded to start to create a T1 . Delays which equals costs.
I know all that, I work in shipping, as do you expect but what does it have to what the article says
’m responding to you saying it can be simplified . Right now it can’t due to lack of software and he definitely has a lot more admin due to customs and vat rules. So palming off anything to a freight forwarder won’t help at all. A freight forwarder will just charge to hand over his paperwork to a customs clearance agent adding no value or efficiency in doing so.
I have logistics knowledge from exporting for 35 years. I also had interests in international logistics years ago."
I agree that the system is antiquated. But then presumably it can be sorted out and refined no? It's still very early days |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It’s just plain wrong, this deal is getting worse by the day.
What other lies have been swept under the carpet all for precious Brexit.
This is like Iraq, and the deal is another dodgy dossier, like the case case for war the case for Brexit is built on lies and false promises.
We need an exit out of Brexit before our economy collapses further! |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"When you actually read the article alot of that paperwork is starting from scratch once you have the details for eg of the boat ,reg,licence etc in the pc its just a matter of hitting a button,i really cant be bothered to point out all the things that are one off entries.Typical of the media.
He seems to be doing the job of a Freight Forwader and an exporter but the BBC typically neglected to point that out
He is the Freight Forwarder and the Exporter as he has his own trucks. I think.
It says he is an exporter of fish but usually exporters farm the paperwork out to a freight forwarder who would then refine the process
The paperwork has to be created by the shipper before it goes anywhere near a customs clearance operator. Not all freight forwarders have the ability do customs btw. It’s an expensive pastime with deferment accounts.
Because there is no software ready yet it’s a manual task but you can pre populate around 25% on your own forms. The rest sadly is manual.
The clearance guys again intervene manually as again software not ready . It’s archaic. If you get the weights out on a T1 by a kilo it’s risking being rejected. So you have to wait until the truck is loaded to start to create a T1 . Delays which equals costs.
I know all that, I work in shipping, as do you expect but what does it have to what the article says
’m responding to you saying it can be simplified . Right now it can’t due to lack of software and he definitely has a lot more admin due to customs and vat rules. So palming off anything to a freight forwarder won’t help at all. A freight forwarder will just charge to hand over his paperwork to a customs clearance agent adding no value or efficiency in doing so.
I have logistics knowledge from exporting for 35 years. I also had interests in international logistics years ago.
I agree that the system is antiquated. But then presumably it can be sorted out and refined no? It's still very early days "
I would hope so but they have been trying to replace chief for years and are five years behind already. The costs will still stand though and the delays due to physical checks.
It really is bad for business export and after July it will affect imports a lot more. |
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By *adetMan
over a year ago
South of Ipswich |
"When you actually read the article alot of that paperwork is starting from scratch once you have the details for eg of the boat ,reg,licence etc in the pc its just a matter of hitting a button,i really cant be bothered to point out all the things that are one off entries.Typical of the media.
He seems to be doing the job of a Freight Forwader and an exporter but the BBC typically neglected to point that out
He is the Freight Forwarder and the Exporter as he has his own trucks. I think.
It says he is an exporter of fish but usually exporters farm the paperwork out to a freight forwarder who would then refine the process
The paperwork has to be created by the shipper before it goes anywhere near a customs clearance operator. Not all freight forwarders have the ability do customs btw. It’s an expensive pastime with deferment accounts.
Because there is no software ready yet it’s a manual task but you can pre populate around 25% on your own forms. The rest sadly is manual.
The clearance guys again intervene manually as again software not ready . It’s archaic. If you get the weights out on a T1 by a kilo it’s risking being rejected. So you have to wait until the truck is loaded to start to create a T1 . Delays which equals costs.
I know all that, I work in shipping, as do you expect but what does it have to what the article says
’m responding to you saying it can be simplified . Right now it can’t due to lack of software and he definitely has a lot more admin due to customs and vat rules. So palming off anything to a freight forwarder won’t help at all. A freight forwarder will just charge to hand over his paperwork to a customs clearance agent adding no value or efficiency in doing so.
I have logistics knowledge from exporting for 35 years. I also had interests in international logistics years ago.
I agree that the system is antiquated. But then presumably it can be sorted out and refined no? It's still very early days
I would hope so but they have been trying to replace chief for years and are five years behind already. The costs will still stand though and the delays due to physical checks.
It really is bad for business export and after July it will affect imports a lot more. "
I don't personally use Chief but I know that people have complained about it for years. Hopefully the 23 million that the government has set aside for this sort of thing will resolve any financial issues |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"It’s just plain wrong, this deal is getting worse by the day.
What other lies have been swept under the carpet all for precious Brexit.
This is like Iraq, and the deal is another dodgy dossier, like the case case for war the case for Brexit is built on lies and false promises.
We need an exit out of Brexit before our economy collapses further!"
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"It’s just plain wrong, this deal is getting worse by the day.
What other lies have been swept under the carpet all for precious Brexit.
This is like Iraq, and the deal is another dodgy dossier, like the case case for war the case for Brexit is built on lies and false promises.
We need an exit out of Brexit before our economy collapses further!dream on mate thats never going to happen. "
We're so far past the point of no return.
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
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"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 ..
The lady who does your books is likely more than 'admin'
I don’t need you to tell me what I pay her for thank you very much .
You're trying to compare a bookkeeper to admin.
Or are you telling me you pay circa 35k for admin? I'm slightly confused
Debatable as to why you are confused .
Administration of my business , the ins and the outs . The bills the insurances the general day to day running of the office side . She puts ins in the in coloum and outs in the out column . So when the accountant comes in there’s not two ton of receipts sat in a bin bag on the desk . .. she puts the pens in the pen drawer and paper in the printer .. When someone asks who deals with the admin , I point to her . Admin ..get it ? There’s nothing to be confused about .. unless of course your just spouting of the top of your head . And don’t understand how small business works ..
If I was to say to her on a Monday morning . We now have to complete all this extra paperwork , and she replied that is going to take me two days instead of one . Then I would have to pay her more obviously ..
35k for a reliable person who knows admin and can get the job done ... all day long .. pay peanuts you get monkeys ...
I know perfectly well how small business works. I've only been doing it for 15 years.
If she is doing bookkeeping then she is doing more than 'filling out forms' which is what the article stated.
BTW, the average admin job commands 23k and the average bookkeeping job commands 27k. So I'm still gonna call bullshit on 30-40k for filling outnforms in Dorset (my locaion).
I'd hazard a guess that location commands average wages.
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Employing someone costs a business far more than the headline salary.
There’s Employers national insurance contributions, pension contributions plus any other benefits the employer provides. Together with all the equipment a person needs to be provided with for actually doing the job.
Based on your salary examples the estimation is probably quite fair....
But as an employer you knew this already....
Or do I smell something in your posting... |
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"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 ..
The lady who does your books is likely more than 'admin'
I don’t need you to tell me what I pay her for thank you very much .
You're trying to compare a bookkeeper to admin.
Or are you telling me you pay circa 35k for admin? I'm slightly confused
Debatable as to why you are confused .
Administration of my business , the ins and the outs . The bills the insurances the general day to day running of the office side . She puts ins in the in coloum and outs in the out column . So when the accountant comes in there’s not two ton of receipts sat in a bin bag on the desk . .. she puts the pens in the pen drawer and paper in the printer .. When someone asks who deals with the admin , I point to her . Admin ..get it ? There’s nothing to be confused about .. unless of course your just spouting of the top of your head . And don’t understand how small business works ..
If I was to say to her on a Monday morning . We now have to complete all this extra paperwork , and she replied that is going to take me two days instead of one . Then I would have to pay her more obviously ..
35k for a reliable person who knows admin and can get the job done ... all day long .. pay peanuts you get monkeys ...
I know perfectly well how small business works. I've only been doing it for 15 years.
If she is doing bookkeeping then she is doing more than 'filling out forms' which is what the article stated.
BTW, the average admin job commands 23k and the average bookkeeping job commands 27k. So I'm still gonna call bullshit on 30-40k for filling outnforms in Dorset (my locaion).
I'd hazard a guess that location commands average wages.
Employing someone costs a business far more than the headline salary.
There’s Employers national insurance contributions, pension contributions plus any other benefits the employer provides. Together with all the equipment a person needs to be provided with for actually doing the job.
Based on your salary examples the estimation is probably quite fair....
But as an employer you knew this already....
Or do I smell something in your posting..."
It's a part time admin job. Regardless of any 'extra costs' it will not cost 30-40k.
Let's just say we're gonna pay 30k/year pro-rata (generous). Adding in pension and NI it's gonna be less than 17k.
The equipment is already there and if it isn't it'll be a one of cost for the larger things ie. computer, printer etc.
Let's just say 20k for the first year and that's being very generous.
Do we know any smallish employers who pay 10k/year in benefits? |
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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"It’s just plain wrong, this deal is getting worse by the day.
What other lies have been swept under the carpet all for precious Brexit.
This is like Iraq, and the deal is another dodgy dossier, like the case case for war the case for Brexit is built on lies and false promises.
We need an exit out of Brexit before our economy collapses further!dream on mate thats never going to happen. "
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"If I were the EU, I’d make the U.K. businesses fill in these forms in every single one of the languages used in the EU. That’d teach the Little Englanders and help us with our appalling attitude towards learning foreign languages."
Yes punish people for not learning another language.  |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"If I were the EU, I’d make the U.K. businesses fill in these forms in every single one of the languages used in the EU. That’d teach the Little Englanders and help us with our appalling attitude towards learning foreign languages."
Its a good job the eu understands its business and doesn't take it personal and get all bitter and twisted like yourself.
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"If I were the EU, I’d make the U.K. businesses fill in these forms in every single one of the languages used in the EU. That’d teach the Little Englanders and help us with our appalling attitude towards learning foreign languages.Its a good job the eu understands its business and doesn't take it personal and get all bitter and twisted like yourself. "
You might be able to avoid personal attacks one day....Just trying to help the cause of MFL in this country. Another thing we are pathetic at. Our inability to speak foreign languages is shocking and embarrassing. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"It’s just plain wrong, this deal is getting worse by the day.
What other lies have been swept under the carpet all for precious Brexit.
This is like Iraq, and the deal is another dodgy dossier, like the case case for war the case for Brexit is built on lies and false promises.
We need an exit out of Brexit before our economy collapses further!"
Yes, more things will come, this is just the start, as the saying goes, the shoes are greener on the other side |
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"If I were the EU, I’d make the U.K. businesses fill in these forms in every single one of the languages used in the EU. That’d teach the Little Englanders and help us with our appalling attitude towards learning foreign languages.Its a good job the eu understands its business and doesn't take it personal and get all bitter and twisted like yourself.
You might be able to avoid personal attacks one day....Just trying to help the cause of MFL in this country. Another thing we are pathetic at. Our inability to speak foreign languages is shocking and embarrassing. "
So what you're saying is the people in those jobs should be punished for being 'Little Englanders' even if they didn't vote to leave the EU.
Btw, I'm not sure how 'bitter and twisted' is an insult but 'little englanders' isn't |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"If I were the EU, I’d make the U.K. businesses fill in these forms in every single one of the languages used in the EU. That’d teach the Little Englanders and help us with our appalling attitude towards learning foreign languages.Its a good job the eu understands its business and doesn't take it personal and get all bitter and twisted like yourself.
You might be able to avoid personal attacks one day....Just trying to help the cause of MFL in this country. Another thing we are pathetic at. Our inability to speak foreign languages is shocking and embarrassing. "
speak for yourself mate dont judge everyone on yourself,its not a personal attack if you think making the uk fill in forms in every language in the eu would help trade you really do need to take a look at your reasoning. |
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"If I were the EU, I’d make the U.K. businesses fill in these forms in every single one of the languages used in the EU. That’d teach the Little Englanders and help us with our appalling attitude towards learning foreign languages."
fuck me you have finally lost the plot lol
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
the land of saints & sinners |
"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 ..
The lady who does your books is likely more than 'admin'
I don’t need you to tell me what I pay her for thank you very much .
You're trying to compare a bookkeeper to admin.
Or are you telling me you pay circa 35k for admin? I'm slightly confused
Debatable as to why you are confused .
Administration of my business , the ins and the outs . The bills the insurances the general day to day running of the office side . She puts ins in the in coloum and outs in the out column . So when the accountant comes in there’s not two ton of receipts sat in a bin bag on the desk . .. she puts the pens in the pen drawer and paper in the printer .. When someone asks who deals with the admin , I point to her . Admin ..get it ? There’s nothing to be confused about .. unless of course your just spouting of the top of your head . And don’t understand how small business works ..
If I was to say to her on a Monday morning . We now have to complete all this extra paperwork , and she replied that is going to take me two days instead of one . Then I would have to pay her more obviously ..
35k for a reliable person who knows admin and can get the job done ... all day long .. pay peanuts you get monkeys ...
I know perfectly well how small business works. I've only been doing it for 15 years.
If she is doing bookkeeping then she is doing more than 'filling out forms' which is what the article stated.
BTW, the average admin job commands 23k and the average bookkeeping job commands 27k. So I'm still gonna call bullshit on 30-40k for filling outnforms in Dorset (my locaion).
I'd hazard a guess that location commands average wages.
Employing someone costs a business far more than the headline salary.
There’s Employers national insurance contributions, pension contributions plus any other benefits the employer provides. Together with all the equipment a person needs to be provided with for actually doing the job.
Based on your salary examples the estimation is probably quite fair....
But as an employer you knew this already....
Or do I smell something in your posting...
It's a part time admin job. Regardless of any 'extra costs' it will not cost 30-40k.
Let's just say we're gonna pay 30k/year pro-rata (generous). Adding in pension and NI it's gonna be less than 17k.
The equipment is already there and if it isn't it'll be a one of cost for the larger things ie. computer, printer etc.
Let's just say 20k for the first year and that's being very generous.
Do we know any smallish employers who pay 10k/year in benefits?"
One local fish exporter normally has a minimum of 4 lorries leaving each day.
The approx estimate of time taken per lorry for the extra paperwork is about 5/6 hours. Even if you got that down to 4 hours due to familiarity with the administration that’s 16 hours a day 5 days a week
Nice part time job.... !!!! |
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"If I were the EU, I’d make the U.K. businesses fill in these forms in every single one of the languages used in the EU. That’d teach the Little Englanders and help us with our appalling attitude towards learning foreign languages.fuck me you have finally lost the plot lol"
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"If I were the EU, I’d make the U.K. businesses fill in these forms in every single one of the languages used in the EU. That’d teach the Little Englanders and help us with our appalling attitude towards learning foreign languages.Its a good job the eu understands its business and doesn't take it personal and get all bitter and twisted like yourself.
You might be able to avoid personal attacks one day....Just trying to help the cause of MFL in this country. Another thing we are pathetic at. Our inability to speak foreign languages is shocking and embarrassing. speak for yourself mate dont judge everyone on yourself,its not a personal attack if you think making the uk fill in forms in every language in the eu would help trade you really do need to take a look at your reasoning."
My ability to speak other languages is fine, thank you. Seeing as you find difficult to use ‘it’s’ and its properly, you’re probably not our most talented polyglot.
It’s well known that the Brits are appalling at languages. Like it or not, it is a fact.
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"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 ..
The lady who does your books is likely more than 'admin'
I don’t need you to tell me what I pay her for thank you very much .
You're trying to compare a bookkeeper to admin.
Or are you telling me you pay circa 35k for admin? I'm slightly confused
Debatable as to why you are confused .
Administration of my business , the ins and the outs . The bills the insurances the general day to day running of the office side . She puts ins in the in coloum and outs in the out column . So when the accountant comes in there’s not two ton of receipts sat in a bin bag on the desk . .. she puts the pens in the pen drawer and paper in the printer .. When someone asks who deals with the admin , I point to her . Admin ..get it ? There’s nothing to be confused about .. unless of course your just spouting of the top of your head . And don’t understand how small business works ..
If I was to say to her on a Monday morning . We now have to complete all this extra paperwork , and she replied that is going to take me two days instead of one . Then I would have to pay her more obviously ..
35k for a reliable person who knows admin and can get the job done ... all day long .. pay peanuts you get monkeys ...
I know perfectly well how small business works. I've only been doing it for 15 years.
If she is doing bookkeeping then she is doing more than 'filling out forms' which is what the article stated.
BTW, the average admin job commands 23k and the average bookkeeping job commands 27k. So I'm still gonna call bullshit on 30-40k for filling outnforms in Dorset (my locaion).
I'd hazard a guess that location commands average wages.
Employing someone costs a business far more than the headline salary.
There’s Employers national insurance contributions, pension contributions plus any other benefits the employer provides. Together with all the equipment a person needs to be provided with for actually doing the job.
Based on your salary examples the estimation is probably quite fair....
But as an employer you knew this already....
Or do I smell something in your posting...
It's a part time admin job. Regardless of any 'extra costs' it will not cost 30-40k.
Let's just say we're gonna pay 30k/year pro-rata (generous). Adding in pension and NI it's gonna be less than 17k.
The equipment is already there and if it isn't it'll be a one of cost for the larger things ie. computer, printer etc.
Let's just say 20k for the first year and that's being very generous.
Do we know any smallish employers who pay 10k/year in benefits?
One local fish exporter normally has a minimum of 4 lorries leaving each day.
The approx estimate of time taken per lorry for the extra paperwork is about 5/6 hours. Even if you got that down to 4 hours due to familiarity with the administration that’s 16 hours a day 5 days a week
Nice part time job.... !!!!"
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"If I were the EU, I’d make the U.K. businesses fill in these forms in every single one of the languages used in the EU. That’d teach the Little Englanders and help us with our appalling attitude towards learning foreign languages.Its a good job the eu understands its business and doesn't take it personal and get all bitter and twisted like yourself.
You might be able to avoid personal attacks one day....Just trying to help the cause of MFL in this country. Another thing we are pathetic at. Our inability to speak foreign languages is shocking and embarrassing. speak for yourself mate dont judge everyone on yourself,its not a personal attack if you think making the uk fill in forms in every language in the eu would help trade you really do need to take a look at your reasoning.
My ability to speak other languages is fine, thank you. Seeing as you find difficult to use ‘it’s’ and its properly, you’re probably not our most talented polyglot.
It’s well known that the Brits are appealing at languages. Like it or not, it is a fact.
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"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 ..
The lady who does your books is likely more than 'admin'
I don’t need you to tell me what I pay her for thank you very much .
You're trying to compare a bookkeeper to admin.
Or are you telling me you pay circa 35k for admin? I'm slightly confused
Debatable as to why you are confused .
Administration of my business , the ins and the outs . The bills the insurances the general day to day running of the office side . She puts ins in the in coloum and outs in the out column . So when the accountant comes in there’s not two ton of receipts sat in a bin bag on the desk . .. she puts the pens in the pen drawer and paper in the printer .. When someone asks who deals with the admin , I point to her . Admin ..get it ? There’s nothing to be confused about .. unless of course your just spouting of the top of your head . And don’t understand how small business works ..
If I was to say to her on a Monday morning . We now have to complete all this extra paperwork , and she replied that is going to take me two days instead of one . Then I would have to pay her more obviously ..
35k for a reliable person who knows admin and can get the job done ... all day long .. pay peanuts you get monkeys ...
I know perfectly well how small business works. I've only been doing it for 15 years.
If she is doing bookkeeping then she is doing more than 'filling out forms' which is what the article stated.
BTW, the average admin job commands 23k and the average bookkeeping job commands 27k. So I'm still gonna call bullshit on 30-40k for filling outnforms in Dorset (my locaion).
I'd hazard a guess that location commands average wages.
Employing someone costs a business far more than the headline salary.
There’s Employers national insurance contributions, pension contributions plus any other benefits the employer provides. Together with all the equipment a person needs to be provided with for actually doing the job.
Based on your salary examples the estimation is probably quite fair....
But as an employer you knew this already....
Or do I smell something in your posting...
It's a part time admin job. Regardless of any 'extra costs' it will not cost 30-40k.
Let's just say we're gonna pay 30k/year pro-rata (generous). Adding in pension and NI it's gonna be less than 17k.
The equipment is already there and if it isn't it'll be a one of cost for the larger things ie. computer, printer etc.
Let's just say 20k for the first year and that's being very generous.
Do we know any smallish employers who pay 10k/year in benefits?
One local fish exporter normally has a minimum of 4 lorries leaving each day.
The approx estimate of time taken per lorry for the extra paperwork is about 5/6 hours. Even if you got that down to 4 hours due to familiarity with the administration that’s 16 hours a day 5 days a week
Nice part time job.... !!!!"
This is what the article says:
Mr Samways is considering recruiting a new employee to tackle the extra forms, which take until 13:00 to complete. That would cost the firm £30,000-£40,000 per year.
Tell me that a (one) new employee on a part time basis (until 1pm) means 16 hours. I feel like I'm having to teach 5 years old to read |
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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"If I were the EU, I’d make the U.K. businesses fill in these forms in every single one of the languages used in the EU. That’d teach the Little Englanders and help us with our appalling attitude towards learning foreign languages. "
we don't need paper work let the illegal imigrants bring the goods in the eu wont stop them |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
the land of saints & sinners |
"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 ..
The lady who does your books is likely more than 'admin'
I don’t need you to tell me what I pay her for thank you very much .
You're trying to compare a bookkeeper to admin.
Or are you telling me you pay circa 35k for admin? I'm slightly confused
Debatable as to why you are confused .
Administration of my business , the ins and the outs . The bills the insurances the general day to day running of the office side . She puts ins in the in coloum and outs in the out column . So when the accountant comes in there’s not two ton of receipts sat in a bin bag on the desk . .. she puts the pens in the pen drawer and paper in the printer .. When someone asks who deals with the admin , I point to her . Admin ..get it ? There’s nothing to be confused about .. unless of course your just spouting of the top of your head . And don’t understand how small business works ..
If I was to say to her on a Monday morning . We now have to complete all this extra paperwork , and she replied that is going to take me two days instead of one . Then I would have to pay her more obviously ..
35k for a reliable person who knows admin and can get the job done ... all day long .. pay peanuts you get monkeys ...
I know perfectly well how small business works. I've only been doing it for 15 years.
If she is doing bookkeeping then she is doing more than 'filling out forms' which is what the article stated.
BTW, the average admin job commands 23k and the average bookkeeping job commands 27k. So I'm still gonna call bullshit on 30-40k for filling outnforms in Dorset (my locaion).
I'd hazard a guess that location commands average wages.
Employing someone costs a business far more than the headline salary.
There’s Employers national insurance contributions, pension contributions plus any other benefits the employer provides. Together with all the equipment a person needs to be provided with for actually doing the job.
Based on your salary examples the estimation is probably quite fair....
But as an employer you knew this already....
Or do I smell something in your posting...
It's a part time admin job. Regardless of any 'extra costs' it will not cost 30-40k.
Let's just say we're gonna pay 30k/year pro-rata (generous). Adding in pension and NI it's gonna be less than 17k.
The equipment is already there and if it isn't it'll be a one of cost for the larger things ie. computer, printer etc.
Let's just say 20k for the first year and that's being very generous.
Do we know any smallish employers who pay 10k/year in benefits?
One local fish exporter normally has a minimum of 4 lorries leaving each day.
The approx estimate of time taken per lorry for the extra paperwork is about 5/6 hours. Even if you got that down to 4 hours due to familiarity with the administration that’s 16 hours a day 5 days a week
Nice part time job.... !!!!
This is what the article says:
Mr Samways is considering recruiting a new employee to tackle the extra forms, which take until 13:00 to complete. That would cost the firm £30,000-£40,000 per year.
Tell me that a (one) new employee on a part time basis (until 1pm) means 16 hours. I feel like I'm having to teach 5 years old to read "
Maybe you didn’t read the bit about the administration that said “per lorry”....
I’m also guessing you know more about how Samways is run better than Mr Samways.... |
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"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 ..
The lady who does your books is likely more than 'admin'
I don’t need you to tell me what I pay her for thank you very much .
You're trying to compare a bookkeeper to admin.
Or are you telling me you pay circa 35k for admin? I'm slightly confused
Debatable as to why you are confused .
Administration of my business , the ins and the outs . The bills the insurances the general day to day running of the office side . She puts ins in the in coloum and outs in the out column . So when the accountant comes in there’s not two ton of receipts sat in a bin bag on the desk . .. she puts the pens in the pen drawer and paper in the printer .. When someone asks who deals with the admin , I point to her . Admin ..get it ? There’s nothing to be confused about .. unless of course your just spouting of the top of your head . And don’t understand how small business works ..
If I was to say to her on a Monday morning . We now have to complete all this extra paperwork , and she replied that is going to take me two days instead of one . Then I would have to pay her more obviously ..
35k for a reliable person who knows admin and can get the job done ... all day long .. pay peanuts you get monkeys ...
I know perfectly well how small business works. I've only been doing it for 15 years.
If she is doing bookkeeping then she is doing more than 'filling out forms' which is what the article stated.
BTW, the average admin job commands 23k and the average bookkeeping job commands 27k. So I'm still gonna call bullshit on 30-40k for filling outnforms in Dorset (my locaion).
I'd hazard a guess that location commands average wages.
Employing someone costs a business far more than the headline salary.
There’s Employers national insurance contributions, pension contributions plus any other benefits the employer provides. Together with all the equipment a person needs to be provided with for actually doing the job.
Based on your salary examples the estimation is probably quite fair....
But as an employer you knew this already....
Or do I smell something in your posting...
It's a part time admin job. Regardless of any 'extra costs' it will not cost 30-40k.
Let's just say we're gonna pay 30k/year pro-rata (generous). Adding in pension and NI it's gonna be less than 17k.
The equipment is already there and if it isn't it'll be a one of cost for the larger things ie. computer, printer etc.
Let's just say 20k for the first year and that's being very generous.
Do we know any smallish employers who pay 10k/year in benefits?
One local fish exporter normally has a minimum of 4 lorries leaving each day.
The approx estimate of time taken per lorry for the extra paperwork is about 5/6 hours. Even if you got that down to 4 hours due to familiarity with the administration that’s 16 hours a day 5 days a week
Nice part time job.... !!!!
This is what the article says:
Mr Samways is considering recruiting a new employee to tackle the extra forms, which take until 13:00 to complete. That would cost the firm £30,000-£40,000 per year.
Tell me that a (one) new employee on a part time basis (until 1pm) means 16 hours. I feel like I'm having to teach 5 years old to read
Maybe you didn’t read the bit about the administration that said “per lorry”....
I’m also guessing you know more about how Samways is run better than Mr Samways...."
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
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"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 ..
The lady who does your books is likely more than 'admin'
I don’t need you to tell me what I pay her for thank you very much .
You're trying to compare a bookkeeper to admin.
Or are you telling me you pay circa 35k for admin? I'm slightly confused
Debatable as to why you are confused .
Administration of my business , the ins and the outs . The bills the insurances the general day to day running of the office side . She puts ins in the in coloum and outs in the out column . So when the accountant comes in there’s not two ton of receipts sat in a bin bag on the desk . .. she puts the pens in the pen drawer and paper in the printer .. When someone asks who deals with the admin , I point to her . Admin ..get it ? There’s nothing to be confused about .. unless of course your just spouting of the top of your head . And don’t understand how small business works ..
If I was to say to her on a Monday morning . We now have to complete all this extra paperwork , and she replied that is going to take me two days instead of one . Then I would have to pay her more obviously ..
35k for a reliable person who knows admin and can get the job done ... all day long .. pay peanuts you get monkeys ...
I know perfectly well how small business works. I've only been doing it for 15 years.
If she is doing bookkeeping then she is doing more than 'filling out forms' which is what the article stated.
BTW, the average admin job commands 23k and the average bookkeeping job commands 27k. So I'm still gonna call bullshit on 30-40k for filling outnforms in Dorset (my locaion).
I'd hazard a guess that location commands average wages.
Employing someone costs a business far more than the headline salary.
There’s Employers national insurance contributions, pension contributions plus any other benefits the employer provides. Together with all the equipment a person needs to be provided with for actually doing the job.
Based on your salary examples the estimation is probably quite fair....
But as an employer you knew this already....
Or do I smell something in your posting...
It's a part time admin job. Regardless of any 'extra costs' it will not cost 30-40k.
Let's just say we're gonna pay 30k/year pro-rata (generous). Adding in pension and NI it's gonna be less than 17k.
The equipment is already there and if it isn't it'll be a one of cost for the larger things ie. computer, printer etc.
Let's just say 20k for the first year and that's being very generous.
Do we know any smallish employers who pay 10k/year in benefits?
One local fish exporter normally has a minimum of 4 lorries leaving each day.
The approx estimate of time taken per lorry for the extra paperwork is about 5/6 hours. Even if you got that down to 4 hours due to familiarity with the administration that’s 16 hours a day 5 days a week
Nice part time job.... !!!!
This is what the article says:
Mr Samways is considering recruiting a new employee to tackle the extra forms, which take until 13:00 to complete. That would cost the firm £30,000-£40,000 per year.
Tell me that a (one) new employee on a part time basis (until 1pm) means 16 hours. I feel like I'm having to teach 5 years old to read
Maybe you didn’t read the bit about the administration that said “per lorry”....
I’m also guessing you know more about how Samways is run better than Mr Samways....
I read it all. But on that note I give up. If you can't accept what the man himself said then I'll never get you to see it "
By that you must clearly accept the if Charlie Samways states it would cost his firm £30k to £40k per year then that must also be correct.
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"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 ..
The lady who does your books is likely more than 'admin'
I don’t need you to tell me what I pay her for thank you very much .
You're trying to compare a bookkeeper to admin.
Or are you telling me you pay circa 35k for admin? I'm slightly confused
Debatable as to why you are confused .
Administration of my business , the ins and the outs . The bills the insurances the general day to day running of the office side . She puts ins in the in coloum and outs in the out column . So when the accountant comes in there’s not two ton of receipts sat in a bin bag on the desk . .. she puts the pens in the pen drawer and paper in the printer .. When someone asks who deals with the admin , I point to her . Admin ..get it ? There’s nothing to be confused about .. unless of course your just spouting of the top of your head . And don’t understand how small business works ..
If I was to say to her on a Monday morning . We now have to complete all this extra paperwork , and she replied that is going to take me two days instead of one . Then I would have to pay her more obviously ..
35k for a reliable person who knows admin and can get the job done ... all day long .. pay peanuts you get monkeys ...
I know perfectly well how small business works. I've only been doing it for 15 years.
If she is doing bookkeeping then she is doing more than 'filling out forms' which is what the article stated.
BTW, the average admin job commands 23k and the average bookkeeping job commands 27k. So I'm still gonna call bullshit on 30-40k for filling outnforms in Dorset (my locaion).
I'd hazard a guess that location commands average wages.
Employing someone costs a business far more than the headline salary.
There’s Employers national insurance contributions, pension contributions plus any other benefits the employer provides. Together with all the equipment a person needs to be provided with for actually doing the job.
Based on your salary examples the estimation is probably quite fair....
But as an employer you knew this already....
Or do I smell something in your posting...
It's a part time admin job. Regardless of any 'extra costs' it will not cost 30-40k.
Let's just say we're gonna pay 30k/year pro-rata (generous). Adding in pension and NI it's gonna be less than 17k.
The equipment is already there and if it isn't it'll be a one of cost for the larger things ie. computer, printer etc.
Let's just say 20k for the first year and that's being very generous.
Do we know any smallish employers who pay 10k/year in benefits?
One local fish exporter normally has a minimum of 4 lorries leaving each day.
The approx estimate of time taken per lorry for the extra paperwork is about 5/6 hours. Even if you got that down to 4 hours due to familiarity with the administration that’s 16 hours a day 5 days a week
Nice part time job.... !!!!
This is what the article says:
Mr Samways is considering recruiting a new employee to tackle the extra forms, which take until 13:00 to complete. That would cost the firm £30,000-£40,000 per year.
Tell me that a (one) new employee on a part time basis (until 1pm) means 16 hours. I feel like I'm having to teach 5 years old to read
Maybe you didn’t read the bit about the administration that said “per lorry”....
I’m also guessing you know more about how Samways is run better than Mr Samways....
I read it all. But on that note I give up. If you can't accept what the man himself said then I'll never get you to see it
By that you must clearly accept the if Charlie Samways states it would cost his firm £30k to £40k per year then that must also be correct.
Unless you know better than Charlie Samways."
I don't accept that a part time administrator costs 30-40k no. Do I know better? Doubt it but I think it's quite an exaggeration |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
the land of saints & sinners |
"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 ..
The lady who does your books is likely more than 'admin'
I don’t need you to tell me what I pay her for thank you very much .
You're trying to compare a bookkeeper to admin.
Or are you telling me you pay circa 35k for admin? I'm slightly confused
Debatable as to why you are confused .
Administration of my business , the ins and the outs . The bills the insurances the general day to day running of the office side . She puts ins in the in coloum and outs in the out column . So when the accountant comes in there’s not two ton of receipts sat in a bin bag on the desk . .. she puts the pens in the pen drawer and paper in the printer .. When someone asks who deals with the admin , I point to her . Admin ..get it ? There’s nothing to be confused about .. unless of course your just spouting of the top of your head . And don’t understand how small business works ..
If I was to say to her on a Monday morning . We now have to complete all this extra paperwork , and she replied that is going to take me two days instead of one . Then I would have to pay her more obviously ..
35k for a reliable person who knows admin and can get the job done ... all day long .. pay peanuts you get monkeys ...
I know perfectly well how small business works. I've only been doing it for 15 years.
If she is doing bookkeeping then she is doing more than 'filling out forms' which is what the article stated.
BTW, the average admin job commands 23k and the average bookkeeping job commands 27k. So I'm still gonna call bullshit on 30-40k for filling outnforms in Dorset (my locaion).
I'd hazard a guess that location commands average wages.
Employing someone costs a business far more than the headline salary.
There’s Employers national insurance contributions, pension contributions plus any other benefits the employer provides. Together with all the equipment a person needs to be provided with for actually doing the job.
Based on your salary examples the estimation is probably quite fair....
But as an employer you knew this already....
Or do I smell something in your posting...
It's a part time admin job. Regardless of any 'extra costs' it will not cost 30-40k.
Let's just say we're gonna pay 30k/year pro-rata (generous). Adding in pension and NI it's gonna be less than 17k.
The equipment is already there and if it isn't it'll be a one of cost for the larger things ie. computer, printer etc.
Let's just say 20k for the first year and that's being very generous.
Do we know any smallish employers who pay 10k/year in benefits?
One local fish exporter normally has a minimum of 4 lorries leaving each day.
The approx estimate of time taken per lorry for the extra paperwork is about 5/6 hours. Even if you got that down to 4 hours due to familiarity with the administration that’s 16 hours a day 5 days a week
Nice part time job.... !!!!
This is what the article says:
Mr Samways is considering recruiting a new employee to tackle the extra forms, which take until 13:00 to complete. That would cost the firm £30,000-£40,000 per year.
Tell me that a (one) new employee on a part time basis (until 1pm) means 16 hours. I feel like I'm having to teach 5 years old to read
Maybe you didn’t read the bit about the administration that said “per lorry”....
I’m also guessing you know more about how Samways is run better than Mr Samways....
I read it all. But on that note I give up. If you can't accept what the man himself said then I'll never get you to see it
By that you must clearly accept the if Charlie Samways states it would cost his firm £30k to £40k per year then that must also be correct.
Unless you know better than Charlie Samways.
I don't accept that a part time administrator costs 30-40k no. Do I know better? Doubt it but I think it's quite an exaggeration "
Charlie Samways did not state they would be recruiting a part-time employee.
I’m fairly certain after working from 8am to 13pm just to complete European community catch certificate and re-export certificate. There would be the dealing with customs agent and the vet who has to certify the loading and sealing of the lorry.
Or were you expecting once that has been completed they finish for the day.
So of course this a part time job that you assumed.
And obviously Charlie Samways is also prone to exaggeration.... |
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"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 ..
The lady who does your books is likely more than 'admin'
I don’t need you to tell me what I pay her for thank you very much .
You're trying to compare a bookkeeper to admin.
Or are you telling me you pay circa 35k for admin? I'm slightly confused
Debatable as to why you are confused .
Administration of my business , the ins and the outs . The bills the insurances the general day to day running of the office side . She puts ins in the in coloum and outs in the out column . So when the accountant comes in there’s not two ton of receipts sat in a bin bag on the desk . .. she puts the pens in the pen drawer and paper in the printer .. When someone asks who deals with the admin , I point to her . Admin ..get it ? There’s nothing to be confused about .. unless of course your just spouting of the top of your head . And don’t understand how small business works ..
If I was to say to her on a Monday morning . We now have to complete all this extra paperwork , and she replied that is going to take me two days instead of one . Then I would have to pay her more obviously ..
35k for a reliable person who knows admin and can get the job done ... all day long .. pay peanuts you get monkeys ...
I know perfectly well how small business works. I've only been doing it for 15 years.
If she is doing bookkeeping then she is doing more than 'filling out forms' which is what the article stated.
BTW, the average admin job commands 23k and the average bookkeeping job commands 27k. So I'm still gonna call bullshit on 30-40k for filling outnforms in Dorset (my locaion).
I'd hazard a guess that location commands average wages.
Employing someone costs a business far more than the headline salary.
There’s Employers national insurance contributions, pension contributions plus any other benefits the employer provides. Together with all the equipment a person needs to be provided with for actually doing the job.
Based on your salary examples the estimation is probably quite fair....
But as an employer you knew this already....
Or do I smell something in your posting...
It's a part time admin job. Regardless of any 'extra costs' it will not cost 30-40k.
Let's just say we're gonna pay 30k/year pro-rata (generous). Adding in pension and NI it's gonna be less than 17k.
The equipment is already there and if it isn't it'll be a one of cost for the larger things ie. computer, printer etc.
Let's just say 20k for the first year and that's being very generous.
Do we know any smallish employers who pay 10k/year in benefits?
One local fish exporter normally has a minimum of 4 lorries leaving each day.
The approx estimate of time taken per lorry for the extra paperwork is about 5/6 hours. Even if you got that down to 4 hours due to familiarity with the administration that’s 16 hours a day 5 days a week
Nice part time job.... !!!!
This is what the article says:
Mr Samways is considering recruiting a new employee to tackle the extra forms, which take until 13:00 to complete. That would cost the firm £30,000-£40,000 per year.
Tell me that a (one) new employee on a part time basis (until 1pm) means 16 hours. I feel like I'm having to teach 5 years old to read
Maybe you didn’t read the bit about the administration that said “per lorry”....
I’m also guessing you know more about how Samways is run better than Mr Samways....
I read it all. But on that note I give up. If you can't accept what the man himself said then I'll never get you to see it
By that you must clearly accept the if Charlie Samways states it would cost his firm £30k to £40k per year then that must also be correct.
Unless you know better than Charlie Samways.
I don't accept that a part time administrator costs 30-40k no. Do I know better? Doubt it but I think it's quite an exaggeration
Charlie Samways did not state they would be recruiting a part-time employee.
I’m fairly certain after working from 8am to 13pm just to complete European community catch certificate and re-export certificate. There would be the dealing with customs agent and the vet who has to certify the loading and sealing of the lorry.
Or were you expecting once that has been completed they finish for the day.
So of course this a part time job that you assumed.
And obviously Charlie Samways is also prone to exaggeration...."
'Mr Samways is considering recruiting a new employee to tackle the extra forms, which take until 13:00 to complete.'
Maybe I'm just thick |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
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"Why do they need 22 invoices?
Also, I note they said the delays are at the french border.
Lastly, not saying I don't believe the article but its bullshit that he pays 30-40k for admin
Why is it bullshit .. The lady who does my books and prepares my accounts would want at least 35k a year if I wanted her full time .. you know like I now had 71 pieces of paper to deal with instead of 1 ..
The lady who does your books is likely more than 'admin'
I don’t need you to tell me what I pay her for thank you very much .
You're trying to compare a bookkeeper to admin.
Or are you telling me you pay circa 35k for admin? I'm slightly confused
Debatable as to why you are confused .
Administration of my business , the ins and the outs . The bills the insurances the general day to day running of the office side . She puts ins in the in coloum and outs in the out column . So when the accountant comes in there’s not two ton of receipts sat in a bin bag on the desk . .. she puts the pens in the pen drawer and paper in the printer .. When someone asks who deals with the admin , I point to her . Admin ..get it ? There’s nothing to be confused about .. unless of course your just spouting of the top of your head . And don’t understand how small business works ..
If I was to say to her on a Monday morning . We now have to complete all this extra paperwork , and she replied that is going to take me two days instead of one . Then I would have to pay her more obviously ..
35k for a reliable person who knows admin and can get the job done ... all day long .. pay peanuts you get monkeys ...
I know perfectly well how small business works. I've only been doing it for 15 years.
If she is doing bookkeeping then she is doing more than 'filling out forms' which is what the article stated.
BTW, the average admin job commands 23k and the average bookkeeping job commands 27k. So I'm still gonna call bullshit on 30-40k for filling outnforms in Dorset (my locaion).
I'd hazard a guess that location commands average wages.
Employing someone costs a business far more than the headline salary.
There’s Employers national insurance contributions, pension contributions plus any other benefits the employer provides. Together with all the equipment a person needs to be provided with for actually doing the job.
Based on your salary examples the estimation is probably quite fair....
But as an employer you knew this already....
Or do I smell something in your posting...
It's a part time admin job. Regardless of any 'extra costs' it will not cost 30-40k.
Let's just say we're gonna pay 30k/year pro-rata (generous). Adding in pension and NI it's gonna be less than 17k.
The equipment is already there and if it isn't it'll be a one of cost for the larger things ie. computer, printer etc.
Let's just say 20k for the first year and that's being very generous.
Do we know any smallish employers who pay 10k/year in benefits?
One local fish exporter normally has a minimum of 4 lorries leaving each day.
The approx estimate of time taken per lorry for the extra paperwork is about 5/6 hours. Even if you got that down to 4 hours due to familiarity with the administration that’s 16 hours a day 5 days a week
Nice part time job.... !!!!
This is what the article says:
Mr Samways is considering recruiting a new employee to tackle the extra forms, which take until 13:00 to complete. That would cost the firm £30,000-£40,000 per year.
Tell me that a (one) new employee on a part time basis (until 1pm) means 16 hours. I feel like I'm having to teach 5 years old to read
Maybe you didn’t read the bit about the administration that said “per lorry”....
I’m also guessing you know more about how Samways is run better than Mr Samways....
I read it all. But on that note I give up. If you can't accept what the man himself said then I'll never get you to see it
By that you must clearly accept the if Charlie Samways states it would cost his firm £30k to £40k per year then that must also be correct.
Unless you know better than Charlie Samways.
I don't accept that a part time administrator costs 30-40k no. Do I know better? Doubt it but I think it's quite an exaggeration
Charlie Samways did not state they would be recruiting a part-time employee.
I’m fairly certain after working from 8am to 13pm just to complete European community catch certificate and re-export certificate. There would be the dealing with customs agent and the vet who has to certify the loading and sealing of the lorry.
Or were you expecting once that has been completed they finish for the day.
So of course this a part time job that you assumed.
And obviously Charlie Samways is also prone to exaggeration....
'Mr Samways is considering recruiting a new employee to tackle the extra forms, which take until 13:00 to complete.'
Maybe I'm just thick "
Because the extra forms take until 13:00 to complete does not mean that’s when the actual job finishes.. There are likely to be ancillary work required around the form filling.
Or do you just expect fill in the forms and then finish for the day ?
So I think you have probably answered your own question..... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"If I were the EU, I’d make the U.K. businesses fill in these forms in every single one of the languages used in the EU. That’d teach the Little Englanders and help us with our appalling attitude towards learning foreign languages.Its a good job the eu understands its business and doesn't take it personal and get all bitter and twisted like yourself.
You might be able to avoid personal attacks one day....Just trying to help the cause of MFL in this country. Another thing we are pathetic at. Our inability to speak foreign languages is shocking and embarrassing. speak for yourself mate dont judge everyone on yourself,its not a personal attack if you think making the uk fill in forms in every language in the eu would help trade you really do need to take a look at your reasoning.
My ability to speak other languages is fine, thank you. Seeing as you find difficult to use ‘it’s’ and its properly, you’re probably not our most talented polyglot.
It’s well known that the Brits are appalling at languages. Like it or not, it is a fact.
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yes you have told me many times under different profiles and also pulled me on the use of commas and capitals that does not mean i cant speak another language and still doesn't explain how that will aid trade. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It’s just plain wrong, this deal is getting worse by the day.
What other lies have been swept under the carpet all for precious Brexit.
This is like Iraq, and the deal is another dodgy dossier, like the case case for war the case for Brexit is built on lies and false promises.
We need an exit out of Brexit before our economy collapses further!dream on mate thats never going to happen. "
The great thing about democracy is this. You have the right to change your mind, we don’t live in China, and we ain’t communist.
Most Brexiteers act like totalitarian thugs anyway.
There will be an enquiry just like Iraq, then the chickens will come home to roost |
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