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"Do we get it right or where are we going wrong? Some say we are too soft on criminals but prisons are overflowing. Knife crime,especially amongst the young appears to be out of control and it's fair to sat the war on drugs has been well and truly lost " we are to soft bud it’s a joke now way to soft | |||
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"If your sentence says five years it’s five years. If you misbehave it’s extended. Repeat offenders double up on tariff every time. Too soft in my view. " And double the education budget in schools to give everyone the belief in themselves and that they can do better than where they start . Also give credit more to vocational qualifications. | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. " There was a woman on the radio a while ago who worked for the probation service who said since it's been privatised, its been an absolutel disaster. | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. There was a woman on the radio a while ago who worked for the probation service who said since it's been privatised, its been an absolutel disaster. " Probation was privatised because it was a disaster. | |||
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"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. There was a woman on the radio a while ago who worked for the probation service who said since it's been privatised, its been an absolutel disaster. Probation was privatised because it was a disaster." Why is it getting took back into gmnt hands? Has privitsion been a success? | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. There was a woman on the radio a while ago who worked for the probation service who said since it's been privatised, its been an absolutel disaster. " So has the privatisation of prisons. They are a playground for dealers and bully’s. | |||
" Why is it getting took back into gmnt hands? " again ... the grayling effect | |||
"So has the privatisation of prisons. They are a playground for dealers and bully’s. " and that is just the staff | |||
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" Why is it getting took back into gmnt hands? again ... the grayling effect " Apparently he is looking after badgers now. | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. There was a woman on the radio a while ago who worked for the probation service who said since it's been privatised, its been an absolutel disaster. Probation was privatised because it was a disaster. Why is it getting took back into gmnt hands? Has privitsion been a success?" In the main no it hasn't - but do remember that it was only part privatised (low risk etc). | |||
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"Something to think about though: If you think that the Government made a bad decision in (the part) Privatisation of the Probation Service in that it went tits up . . . you also have to accept the fact that the businesses charged with the work were sh*t businesses. So there is also a question about British industry and it's inability to deliver the requirements of the tender. " Maybe not all services should be down to profit? | |||
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"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. "  | |||
"I dont know if we are too soft We seem to focus a lot more on punishment than rehabilitation. " When there was less rehabilitation and more whip people behaved better, murder figures have doubled since 60s even though living standards have improved...  | |||
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"Shouting 'too soft!' is emotionally appealing, but it's not living in the real world. Harsher deterrents don't tend to work. Even the death penalty, the ultimate deterrent, doesn't reduce offending (compare US states with it to those without it). What works is giving people alternatives to getting into a life of crime. So that's reducing unemployment, improving opportunities for education, providing drug addiction treatment, not having prisons that traumatise people, ensuring people have somewhere stable to live after release from prison, etc etc. Countries like Norway treat offenders as human and not animals and have a significantly lower re-offending rate as a result. " | |||
"Shouting 'too soft!' is emotionally appealing, but it's not living in the real world. Harsher deterrents don't tend to work. Even the death penalty, the ultimate deterrent, doesn't reduce offending (compare US states with it to those without it). What works is giving people alternatives to getting into a life of crime. So that's reducing unemployment, improving opportunities for education, providing drug addiction treatment, not having prisons that traumatise people, ensuring people have somewhere stable to live after release from prison, etc etc. Countries like Norway treat offenders as human and not animals and have a significantly lower re-offending rate as a result. " Agree completely There are massive structural inequalities, especially in the inner cities,where kids have literally nothing to look forward too. They are bombarded with images of consumerism and the only access to them is through crime. Thanks to austerity services like youth clubs are non existent. I said in my op youth crime is a massive issue and we are adopting our usual head in the sand approach. Other counties are light years ahead of us in terms of rehabilitation but thanks to successive gmnts kowtowing to the likes of the mail and the sun,the great British public have no time for complex solutions. Lock em up and throw away the key. | |||
 And the worlds largest sovereign wealth fund along with great state benefits. So no people resorting to crime to supplement their incomes.
I also wonder if their alcohol policy helps.
We are not equivalent to them sadly. And I doubt we ever will be. | |||
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"The Norway model is interesting and would be in my opinion the endgame. But we couldn’t do it for many reasons. Taking aside the faux howls of outrage it would cause. Socially we are miles behind Norway. They simply do not have the problems we have. They also don’t have the population we have so it’s much easier to have a criminal justice system that caters for a fraction of ours. Plus they have.....cough state industries. And the worlds largest sovereign wealth fund along with great state benefits. So no people resorting to crime to supplement their incomes.
I also wonder if their alcohol policy helps.
We are not equivalent to them sadly. And I doubt we ever will be. "What problems do we have that Norway dont? | |||
"What problems do we have that Norway dont?" incompetent government? | |||
"What problems do we have that Norway dont? incompetent government?" True  | |||
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"The Norway model is interesting and would be in my opinion the endgame. But we couldn’t do it for many reasons. Taking aside the faux howls of outrage it would cause. Socially we are miles behind Norway. They simply do not have the problems we have. They also don’t have the population we have so it’s much easier to have a criminal justice system that caters for a fraction of ours. Plus they have.....cough state industries. And the worlds largest sovereign wealth fund along with great state benefits. So no people resorting to crime to supplement their incomes.
I also wonder if their alcohol policy helps.
We are not equivalent to them sadly. And I doubt we ever will be.
What problems do we have that Norway dont?"A profound aversion of paying tax? I always find it fascinating how people in the U.K. including right wingers rave about Scandinavian countries when it comes to crime, standards of education, levels of happiness, economy etc... However if we asked people to pay a tax on pets, bikes or many other things as it is the case in these countries, the party who would propose these things would be described as a ... communist party. So we always rave about Finland, Sweden, Norway etc but we end up being like a mini .... America. | |||
"The Norway model is interesting and would be in my opinion the endgame. But we couldn’t do it for many reasons. Taking aside the faux howls of outrage it would cause. Socially we are miles behind Norway. They simply do not have the problems we have. They also don’t have the population we have so it’s much easier to have a criminal justice system that caters for a fraction of ours. Plus they have.....cough state industries. And the worlds largest sovereign wealth fund along with great state benefits. So no people resorting to crime to supplement their incomes.
I also wonder if their alcohol policy helps.
We are not equivalent to them sadly. And I doubt we ever will be.
What problems do we have that Norway dont?
A profound aversion of paying tax?
I always find it fascinating how people in the U.K. including right wingers rave about Scandinavian countries when it comes to crime, standards of education, levels of happiness, economy etc...
However if we asked people to pay a tax on pets, bikes or many other things as it is the case in these countries, the party who would propose these things would be described as a ... communist party.
So we always rave about Finland, Sweden, Norway etc but we end up being like a mini .... America."They seem to get a lot of things right. Apparently Denmark is one of the most happiest places in the world to live.unsurprsingly it's a very progressive country..with excellent healthcare,tuition fees etc. I think it was in Norway there was a similar case to the Jamie bulger case but instead of banging the child up they rehabilitated him instead. Its just a different culture over there. | |||
"The Norway model is interesting and would be in my opinion the endgame. But we couldn’t do it for many reasons. Taking aside the faux howls of outrage it would cause. Socially we are miles behind Norway. They simply do not have the problems we have. They also don’t have the population we have so it’s much easier to have a criminal justice system that caters for a fraction of ours. Plus they have.....cough state industries. And the worlds largest sovereign wealth fund along with great state benefits. So no people resorting to crime to supplement their incomes.
I also wonder if their alcohol policy helps.
We are not equivalent to them sadly. And I doubt we ever will be.
What problems do we have that Norway dont?
A profound aversion of paying tax?
I always find it fascinating how people in the U.K. including right wingers rave about Scandinavian countries when it comes to crime, standards of education, levels of happiness, economy etc...
However if we asked people to pay a tax on pets, bikes or many other things as it is the case in these countries, the party who would propose these things would be described as a ... communist party.
So we always rave about Finland, Sweden, Norway etc but we end up being like a mini .... America.
They seem to get a lot of things right.
Apparently Denmark is one of the most happiest places in the world to live.unsurprsingly it's a very progressive country..with excellent healthcare,tuition fees etc.
I think it was in Norway there was a similar case to the Jamie bulger case but instead of banging the child up they rehabilitated him instead.
Its just a different culture over there."Over there, people seem to rejoice with some form of social cohesion. Here we seem to rejoice by being persuaded that the scum at the bottom of the pile are scoundrels that take the piss and hold the country back. They have a very different approach to life and politics in these countries. They are quite left wing or at the very least social democracies. Not the type of things we’re interested anymore in this country. We’re following the opposite direction although deep down we seem to know that these countries do the right thing. | |||
"The Norway model is interesting and would be in my opinion the endgame. But we couldn’t do it for many reasons. Taking aside the faux howls of outrage it would cause. Socially we are miles behind Norway. They simply do not have the problems we have. They also don’t have the population we have so it’s much easier to have a criminal justice system that caters for a fraction of ours. Plus they have.....cough state industries. And the worlds largest sovereign wealth fund along with great state benefits. So no people resorting to crime to supplement their incomes.
I also wonder if their alcohol policy helps.
We are not equivalent to them sadly. And I doubt we ever will be.
What problems do we have that Norway dont?
A profound aversion of paying tax?
I always find it fascinating how people in the U.K. including right wingers rave about Scandinavian countries when it comes to crime, standards of education, levels of happiness, economy etc...
However if we asked people to pay a tax on pets, bikes or many other things as it is the case in these countries, the party who would propose these things would be described as a ... communist party.
So we always rave about Finland, Sweden, Norway etc but we end up being like a mini .... America.
They seem to get a lot of things right.
Apparently Denmark is one of the most happiest places in the world to live.unsurprsingly it's a very progressive country..with excellent healthcare,tuition fees etc.
I think it was in Norway there was a similar case to the Jamie bulger case but instead of banging the child up they rehabilitated him instead.
Its just a different culture over there.
Over there, people seem to rejoice with some form of social cohesion. Here we seem to rejoice by being persuaded that the scum at the bottom of the pile are scoundrels that take the piss and hold the country back.
They have a very different approach to life and politics in these countries. They are quite left wing or at the very least social democracies. Not the type of things we’re interested anymore in this country. We’re following the opposite direction although deep down we seem to know that these countries do the right thing. "We have successive gmnts being tough on crime which has been an absolute failure. There was a lawyer on 5 live a while ago who said the system was broke beyond repair. There are huge scturural issues around inequality, education, poverty, exclusion etc. Like I said before the safety nets which were in place ,have gone and even the probation service was sold off to the highest bidder. Yet anyone who mentions a difference approach is branded "do gooder' | |||
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"The Norway model is interesting and would be in my opinion the endgame. But we couldn’t do it for many reasons. Taking aside the faux howls of outrage it would cause. Socially we are miles behind Norway. They simply do not have the problems we have. They also don’t have the population we have so it’s much easier to have a criminal justice system that caters for a fraction of ours. Plus they have.....cough state industries. And the worlds largest sovereign wealth fund along with great state benefits. So no people resorting to crime to supplement their incomes.
I also wonder if their alcohol policy helps.
We are not equivalent to them sadly. And I doubt we ever will be.
What problems do we have that Norway dont?"Looks like that has been well answered already. | |||
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"Do we get it right or where are we going wrong? Some say we are too soft on criminals but prisons are overflowing. Knife crime,especially amongst the young appears to be out of control and it's fair to sat the war on drugs has been well and truly lost " The war on drugs should never have been started, if alcohol and tobacco are legal with the issues and deaths they cause then other drugs should be legalised and regulated too. Knife crime is partially gang violence and partially survivalist retaliation, trust me, I grew up in those areas and it is very easy to become a statistic and mostly the only way not to is to carry yourself and get people around you aka a gang. It's not as simple as they are all thugs, so many more will carry simply because if they don't they may end up a statistic. Prisons however are too reformatory, too many rights and privileges and the sentences for big crimes are too soft, murder should mean life. There is an issue though, years ago and still in large parts of the world there are very hard sentences for crimes including death and people will still risk it if the crime they are commiting has any actual benefit to them, primarily if they need money etc. | |||
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"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. There was a woman on the radio a while ago who worked for the probation service who said since it's been privatised, its been an absolutel disaster. So has the privatisation of prisons. They are a playground for dealers and bully’s. " The government set the rules not the private companies | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. There was a woman on the radio a while ago who worked for the probation service who said since it's been privatised, its been an absolutel disaster. So has the privatisation of prisons. They are a playground for dealers and bully’s. The government set the rules not the private companies " Watch "Kids for Cash" on Netflix that happened here privatization of prisons and the outcome of that. | |||
"There has alway been a popular opinion that our criminal justice system is way too soft and we should have tougher sentences and build more prisons. In truth we need a real wholesale overhaul of the criminal justice system. If you look at the Norwegian model it is based on the principle of restorative justice and rehabilitating prisoners. Prisons in Norway focus on the care of the offender and making sure they can become a functioning member of society again. Norway has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world, currently 20% within 2 years. Yet in the In the UK, the recidivism rate is almost 50% after just one year. With approximately 4000 in offenders in prison as of 2020 and one of the lowest crime rates in the world. Norway's prisons are renowned for being some of the best and most humane in the world. Norway does not have the death penalty or sentence people to life imprisonment. The maximum custodial sentence is 21 years However, but the law does allow for preventative detention, which is the extension of a sentence in five-year increments if the convicted person is deemed to be a continued threat to society. Unfortunately adopting this model would be very unpopular with the “lock em up and throw away the key” brigade as it seem so counterintuitive. Just imagine the crucifixion of any politician by the tabloid press if they even suggested looking at it. But the greatest crime here is the impact and damage to society and on the tax payer with a growing prison population and a high levels of reoffending. " Do we have a culture that can cope with this ? Our education I’m lead to believe is way below Norway’s so the intellect of the criminal can’t cope with understanding how a different approach can lead to a better life! | |||
"The Norway model is interesting and would be in my opinion the endgame. But we couldn’t do it for many reasons. Taking aside the faux howls of outrage it would cause. Socially we are miles behind Norway. They simply do not have the problems we have. They also don’t have the population we have so it’s much easier to have a criminal justice system that caters for a fraction of ours. Plus they have.....cough state industries. And the worlds largest sovereign wealth fund along with great state benefits. So no people resorting to crime to supplement their incomes.
I also wonder if their alcohol policy helps.
We are not equivalent to them sadly. And I doubt we ever will be.
What problems do we have that Norway dont?
A profound aversion of paying tax?
I always find it fascinating how people in the U.K. including right wingers rave about Scandinavian countries when it comes to crime, standards of education, levels of happiness, economy etc...
However if we asked people to pay a tax on pets, bikes or many other things as it is the case in these countries, the party who would propose these things would be described as a ... communist party.
So we always rave about Finland, Sweden, Norway etc but we end up being like a mini .... America." | |||
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"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people There was a woman on the radio a while ago who worked for the probation service who said since it's been privatised, its been an absolutel disaster. So has the privatisation of prisons. They are a playground for dealers and bully’s. The government set the rules not the private companies Watch "Kids for Cash" on Netflix that happened here privatization of prisons and the outcome of that." I’m no defender of privatisation. I just know it’s an east way for government to absolve themselves of any blame. For example the food company taking the abuse for the food parcels lack of content. It was shown in Parliament that the food was exactly as prescribed by the government . Item for item. The food company are taking the blame as they know they have to, otherwise they will be out! Basically bullying . | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. " duno what people think rehab can do it’s bullshit it does t work if they don’t fear the time they will do the crime | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. There was a woman on the radio a while ago who worked for the probation service who said since it's been privatised, its been an absolutel disaster. So has the privatisation of prisons. They are a playground for dealers and bully’s. The government set the rules not the private companies " And the private companies somehow operate below the minimum staffing levels. They are very unsafe environments for staff and prisoners alike. | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. duno what people think rehab can do it’s bullshit it does t work if they don’t fear the time they will do the crime " People live under fear of death sentencing and still commit crime, especially when the crime is linked to their ability to eat, be housed, and have some money. Harsher sentencing will never reduce crime, you have to take away the causes of crime to be able to reduce it. | |||
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"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. duno what people think rehab can do it’s bullshit it does t work if they don’t fear the time they will do the crime People live under fear of death sentencing and still commit crime, especially when the crime is linked to their ability to eat, be housed, and have some money. Harsher sentencing will never reduce crime, you have to take away the causes of crime to be able to reduce it. " i know i havent got a ferrari and a swimming pool i had to commit crime lol | |||
"funny how the victorian prisons didnt have all these problems lol why was that? no funding no drug courses or vocational training... few staff but lots of shackles and batons! "And massive crime including child prostitution, hard drugs being sold over the counter. Like to think we've advanced a bit since then. | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. There was a woman on the radio a while ago who worked for the probation service who said since it's been privatised, its been an absolutel disaster. So has the privatisation of prisons. They are a playground for dealers and bully’s. The government set the rules not the private companies And the private companies somehow operate below the minimum staffing levels. They are very unsafe environments for staff and prisoners alike. " I can’t answer that as I don’t know and if they do then it’s not working is it. | |||
"funny how the victorian prisons didnt have all these problems lol why was that? no funding no drug courses or vocational training... few staff but lots of shackles and batons!
And massive crime including child prostitution, hard drugs being sold over the counter. Like to think we've advanced a bit since then."quite ironic considering the victorians treatment of 'molly' culture | |||
"Do we get it right or where are we going wrong? Some say we are too soft on criminals but prisons are overflowing. Knife crime,especially amongst the young appears to be out of control and it's fair to sat the war on drugs has been well and truly lost " UK knife ban | |||
"The Norway model is interesting and would be in my opinion the endgame. But we couldn’t do it for many reasons. Taking aside the faux howls of outrage it would cause. Socially we are miles behind Norway. They simply do not have the problems we have. They also don’t have the population we have so it’s much easier to have a criminal justice system that caters for a fraction of ours. Plus they have.....cough state industries. And the worlds largest sovereign wealth fund along with great state benefits. So no people resorting to crime to supplement their incomes.
I also wonder if their alcohol policy helps.
We are not equivalent to them sadly. And I doubt we ever will be.
What problems do we have that Norway dont?
Looks like that has been well answered already.
"Not really Higher density,inequality etc but that wouldnt affect more of a focus on rehabilitation than punishment. | |||
"Do we get it right or where are we going wrong? Some say we are too soft on criminals but prisons are overflowing. Knife crime,especially amongst the young appears to be out of control and it's fair to sat the war on drugs has been well and truly lost The war on drugs should never have been started, if alcohol and tobacco are legal with the issues and deaths they cause then other drugs should be legalised and regulated too. Knife crime is partially gang violence and partially survivalist retaliation, trust me, I grew up in those areas and it is very easy to become a statistic and mostly the only way not to is to carry yourself and get people around you aka a gang. It's not as simple as they are all thugs, so many more will carry simply because if they don't they may end up a statistic. Prisons however are too reformatory, too many rights and privileges and the sentences for big crimes are too soft, murder should mean life. There is an issue though, years ago and still in large parts of the world there are very hard sentences for crimes including death and people will still risk it if the crime they are commiting has any actual benefit to them, primarily if they need money etc. " The war on drugs has been a failure on an almost cosmic nature | |||
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"funny how the victorian prisons didnt have all these problems lol why was that? no funding no drug courses or vocational training... few staff but lots of shackles and batons!
And massive crime including child prostitution, hard drugs being sold over the counter. Like to think we've advanced a bit since then."what massive crime? statistics please... it is a fact murder rate has more than double since 60s in percentage terms. | |||
"Do we get it right or where are we going wrong? Some say we are too soft on criminals but prisons are overflowing. Knife crime,especially amongst the young appears to be out of control and it's fair to sat the war on drugs has been well and truly lost UK knife ban "A failure if ever there was one tools being banned due to the actions of people who will just find a work around... | |||
"The Norway model is interesting and would be in my opinion the endgame. But we couldn’t do it for many reasons. Taking aside the faux howls of outrage it would cause. Socially we are miles behind Norway. They simply do not have the problems we have. They also don’t have the population we have so it’s much easier to have a criminal justice system that caters for a fraction of ours. Plus they have.....cough state industries. And the worlds largest sovereign wealth fund along with great state benefits. So no people resorting to crime to supplement their incomes.
I also wonder if their alcohol policy helps.
We are not equivalent to them sadly. And I doubt we ever will be.
What problems do we have that Norway dont?
Looks like that has been well answered already.
Not really
Higher density,inequality etc but that wouldnt affect more of a focus on rehabilitation than punishment. "Well to put it simply they Scandi countries behave themselves better. They have a greater sense of a big society. | |||
"Do we get it right or where are we going wrong? Some say we are too soft on criminals but prisons are overflowing. Knife crime,especially amongst the young appears to be out of control and it's fair to sat the war on drugs has been well and truly lost The war on drugs should never have been started, if alcohol and tobacco are legal with the issues and deaths they cause then other drugs should be legalised and regulated too. Knife crime is partially gang violence and partially survivalist retaliation, trust me, I grew up in those areas and it is very easy to become a statistic and mostly the only way not to is to carry yourself and get people around you aka a gang. It's not as simple as they are all thugs, so many more will carry simply because if they don't they may end up a statistic. Prisons however are too reformatory, too many rights and privileges and the sentences for big crimes are too soft, murder should mean life. There is an issue though, years ago and still in large parts of the world there are very hard sentences for crimes including death and people will still risk it if the crime they are commiting has any actual benefit to them, primarily if they need money etc. The war on drugs has been a failure on an almost cosmic nature " Agreed 1 million percent! There's a great podcast by James English talking to Neil Woods, an ex undercover drug squad cop, well worth a watch on this subject for anyone interested! | |||
"Do we get it right or where are we going wrong? Some say we are too soft on criminals but prisons are overflowing. Knife crime,especially amongst the young appears to be out of control and it's fair to sat the war on drugs has been well and truly lost The war on drugs should never have been started, if alcohol and tobacco are legal with the issues and deaths they cause then other drugs should be legalised and regulated too. Knife crime is partially gang violence and partially survivalist retaliation, trust me, I grew up in those areas and it is very easy to become a statistic and mostly the only way not to is to carry yourself and get people around you aka a gang. It's not as simple as they are all thugs, so many more will carry simply because if they don't they may end up a statistic. Prisons however are too reformatory, too many rights and privileges and the sentences for big crimes are too soft, murder should mean life. There is an issue though, years ago and still in large parts of the world there are very hard sentences for crimes including death and people will still risk it if the crime they are commiting has any actual benefit to them, primarily if they need money etc. The war on drugs has been a failure on an almost cosmic nature Agreed 1 million percent! There's a great podcast by James English talking to Neil Woods, an ex undercover drug squad cop, well worth a watch on this subject for anyone interested! " Think I've read his book He thinks Its a total failure and he is spot on. Peope are not going to stop taking drugs. | |||
"Do we get it right or where are we going wrong? Some say we are too soft on criminals but prisons are overflowing. Knife crime,especially amongst the young appears to be out of control and it's fair to sat the war on drugs has been well and truly lost The war on drugs should never have been started, if alcohol and tobacco are legal with the issues and deaths they cause then other drugs should be legalised and regulated too. Knife crime is partially gang violence and partially survivalist retaliation, trust me, I grew up in those areas and it is very easy to become a statistic and mostly the only way not to is to carry yourself and get people around you aka a gang. It's not as simple as they are all thugs, so many more will carry simply because if they don't they may end up a statistic. Prisons however are too reformatory, too many rights and privileges and the sentences for big crimes are too soft, murder should mean life. There is an issue though, years ago and still in large parts of the world there are very hard sentences for crimes including death and people will still risk it if the crime they are commiting has any actual benefit to them, primarily if they need money etc. The war on drugs has been a failure on an almost cosmic nature Agreed 1 million percent! There's a great podcast by James English talking to Neil Woods, an ex undercover drug squad cop, well worth a watch on this subject for anyone interested! Think I've read his book He thinks Its a total failure and he is spot on. Peope are not going to stop taking drugs." If the green stuff is ever legalised I’m investing heavily in that industry. | |||
"The Norway model is interesting and would be in my opinion the endgame. But we couldn’t do it for many reasons. Taking aside the faux howls of outrage it would cause. Socially we are miles behind Norway. They simply do not have the problems we have. They also don’t have the population we have so it’s much easier to have a criminal justice system that caters for a fraction of ours. Plus they have.....cough state industries. And the worlds largest sovereign wealth fund along with great state benefits. So no people resorting to crime to supplement their incomes.
I also wonder if their alcohol policy helps.
We are not equivalent to them sadly. And I doubt we ever will be.
What problems do we have that Norway dont?
Looks like that has been well answered already.
Not really
Higher density,inequality etc but that wouldnt affect more of a focus on rehabilitation than punishment.
Well to put it simply they Scandi countries behave themselves better. They have a greater sense of a big society. "its exactly that, a greater sense of a big society, there was a thread on this site the other day about reporting people over covid, 50/50 split approx that you were a snitch grass etc rather than concerned citizen... | |||
"Do we get it right or where are we going wrong? Some say we are too soft on criminals but prisons are overflowing. Knife crime,especially amongst the young appears to be out of control and it's fair to sat the war on drugs has been well and truly lost The war on drugs should never have been started, if alcohol and tobacco are legal with the issues and deaths they cause then other drugs should be legalised and regulated too. Knife crime is partially gang violence and partially survivalist retaliation, trust me, I grew up in those areas and it is very easy to become a statistic and mostly the only way not to is to carry yourself and get people around you aka a gang. It's not as simple as they are all thugs, so many more will carry simply because if they don't they may end up a statistic. Prisons however are too reformatory, too many rights and privileges and the sentences for big crimes are too soft, murder should mean life. There is an issue though, years ago and still in large parts of the world there are very hard sentences for crimes including death and people will still risk it if the crime they are commiting has any actual benefit to them, primarily if they need money etc. The war on drugs has been a failure on an almost cosmic nature Agreed 1 million percent! There's a great podcast by James English talking to Neil Woods, an ex undercover drug squad cop, well worth a watch on this subject for anyone interested! Think I've read his book He thinks Its a total failure and he is spot on. Peope are not going to stop taking drugs. If the green stuff is ever legalised I’m investing heavily in that industry. " Its bound to be at some point. | |||
"Do we get it right or where are we going wrong? Some say we are too soft on criminals but prisons are overflowing. Knife crime,especially amongst the young appears to be out of control and it's fair to sat the war on drugs has been well and truly lost The war on drugs should never have been started, if alcohol and tobacco are legal with the issues and deaths they cause then other drugs should be legalised and regulated too. Knife crime is partially gang violence and partially survivalist retaliation, trust me, I grew up in those areas and it is very easy to become a statistic and mostly the only way not to is to carry yourself and get people around you aka a gang. It's not as simple as they are all thugs, so many more will carry simply because if they don't they may end up a statistic. Prisons however are too reformatory, too many rights and privileges and the sentences for big crimes are too soft, murder should mean life. There is an issue though, years ago and still in large parts of the world there are very hard sentences for crimes including death and people will still risk it if the crime they are commiting has any actual benefit to them, primarily if they need money etc. The war on drugs has been a failure on an almost cosmic nature Agreed 1 million percent! There's a great podcast by James English talking to Neil Woods, an ex undercover drug squad cop, well worth a watch on this subject for anyone interested! Think I've read his book He thinks Its a total failure and he is spot on. Peope are not going to stop taking drugs. If the green stuff is ever legalised I’m investing heavily in that industry. Its bound to be at some point." im looking forward to doctors nurses pilots ship captains traffic wardens police child care workers all walking round with a spliff lol or its only going to be ok for some people lol  | |||
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"Scotland took a holistic approach to knife crime and gang culture and they've seen a significant drop in offenses. We should take more out of their playbook. We're ready to demonise criminals but have to accept that our society plays a part in creating them." scotland has the biggest drug problem in europe lol and just coz its not recorded dont mean it aint happening. had a swiss friend who told me they decided to decriminalize many crimes including drugs, and it just became a fuck up...they went back to arresting people. but if you took a 100 kids from any school we all know there would be the naughty ones and the goodie two shoe ones lol i accept society can add to the problems or ease the problems but arent there always going to be people that just take the piss? isnt that just a fact? | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. duno what people think rehab can do it’s bullshit it does t work if they don’t fear the time they will do the crime People live under fear of death sentencing and still commit crime, especially when the crime is linked to their ability to eat, be housed, and have some money. Harsher sentencing will never reduce crime, you have to take away the causes of crime to be able to reduce it. " takeaway the cause of crime lol it’s been going on sine beginning of time it will never stop some people are just bad like some are good that’s mankind not everything can be fixed by education rehabilitation and a big cuddle | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. duno what people think rehab can do it’s bullshit it does t work if they don’t fear the time they will do the crime People live under fear of death sentencing and still commit crime, especially when the crime is linked to their ability to eat, be housed, and have some money. Harsher sentencing will never reduce crime, you have to take away the causes of crime to be able to reduce it. takeaway the cause of crime lol it’s been going on sine beginning of time it will never stop some people are just bad like some are good that’s mankind not everything can be fixed by education rehabilitation and a big cuddle " Some people will Give people decent jobs and a good standard of living and crime will plummet. | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. duno what people think rehab can do it’s bullshit it does t work if they don’t fear the time they will do the crime People live under fear of death sentencing and still commit crime, especially when the crime is linked to their ability to eat, be housed, and have some money. Harsher sentencing will never reduce crime, you have to take away the causes of crime to be able to reduce it. takeaway the cause of crime lol it’s been going on sine beginning of time it will never stop some people are just bad like some are good that’s mankind not everything can be fixed by education rehabilitation and a big cuddle Some people will Give people decent jobs and a good standard of living and crime will plummet." aw right that’s how you stop murder r-pe fraud then give them a good job | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. duno what people think rehab can do it’s bullshit it does t work if they don’t fear the time they will do the crime People live under fear of death sentencing and still commit crime, especially when the crime is linked to their ability to eat, be housed, and have some money. Harsher sentencing will never reduce crime, you have to take away the causes of crime to be able to reduce it. takeaway the cause of crime lol it’s been going on sine beginning of time it will never stop some people are just bad like some are good that’s mankind not everything can be fixed by education rehabilitation and a big cuddle Some people will Give people decent jobs and a good standard of living and crime will plummet.aw right that’s how you stop murder r-pe fraud then give them a good job " How many people with good jobs go out on the street and kill people.. | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. duno what people think rehab can do it’s bullshit it does t work if they don’t fear the time they will do the crime People live under fear of death sentencing and still commit crime, especially when the crime is linked to their ability to eat, be housed, and have some money. Harsher sentencing will never reduce crime, you have to take away the causes of crime to be able to reduce it. takeaway the cause of crime lol it’s been going on sine beginning of time it will never stop some people are just bad like some are good that’s mankind not everything can be fixed by education rehabilitation and a big cuddle Some people will Give people decent jobs and a good standard of living and crime will plummet." not all is black and white I've friends that really lived below the poverty line and have never even had a speeding ticket and others that were well educated good up bringing that would take anything not screwed down so rehabilitation wouldn't work on them. | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. duno what people think rehab can do it’s bullshit it does t work if they don’t fear the time they will do the crime People live under fear of death sentencing and still commit crime, especially when the crime is linked to their ability to eat, be housed, and have some money. Harsher sentencing will never reduce crime, you have to take away the causes of crime to be able to reduce it. takeaway the cause of crime lol it’s been going on sine beginning of time it will never stop some people are just bad like some are good that’s mankind not everything can be fixed by education rehabilitation and a big cuddle " See this is where reading comes in handy, because I never said it will stop it, I said it will reduce it. Which it will. | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. duno what people think rehab can do it’s bullshit it does t work if they don’t fear the time they will do the crime People live under fear of death sentencing and still commit crime, especially when the crime is linked to their ability to eat, be housed, and have some money. Harsher sentencing will never reduce crime, you have to take away the causes of crime to be able to reduce it. takeaway the cause of crime lol it’s been going on sine beginning of time it will never stop some people are just bad like some are good that’s mankind not everything can be fixed by education rehabilitation and a big cuddle Some people will Give people decent jobs and a good standard of living and crime will plummet. not all is black and white I've friends that really lived below the poverty line and have never even had a speeding ticket and others that were well educated good up bringing that would take anything not screwed down so rehabilitation wouldn't work on them." You can always pick out anamolies. If you live a life where you have nothing to lose, you more likely to commit a crime. It's no coincidence that countries where there is less of a divide between rich and poor (the scandi countries)crime is much lower than where there is a big divide (America, uk) | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. duno what people think rehab can do it’s bullshit it does t work if they don’t fear the time they will do the crime People live under fear of death sentencing and still commit crime, especially when the crime is linked to their ability to eat, be housed, and have some money. Harsher sentencing will never reduce crime, you have to take away the causes of crime to be able to reduce it. takeaway the cause of crime lol it’s been going on sine beginning of time it will never stop some people are just bad like some are good that’s mankind not everything can be fixed by education rehabilitation and a big cuddle Some people will Give people decent jobs and a good standard of living and crime will plummet.aw right that’s how you stop murder r-pe fraud then give them a good job How many people with good jobs go out on the street and kill people.." not all killings are gangs on the street stabbing each other Lionel well educated rich people kill aswell they just have better lawyers people from all walks of like comit crime most of the fraud is done by the rich even our politicians dabble | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. duno what people think rehab can do it’s bullshit it does t work if they don’t fear the time they will do the crime People live under fear of death sentencing and still commit crime, especially when the crime is linked to their ability to eat, be housed, and have some money. Harsher sentencing will never reduce crime, you have to take away the causes of crime to be able to reduce it. takeaway the cause of crime lol it’s been going on sine beginning of time it will never stop some people are just bad like some are good that’s mankind not everything can be fixed by education rehabilitation and a big cuddle Some people will Give people decent jobs and a good standard of living and crime will plummet.aw right that’s how you stop murder r-pe fraud then give them a good job How many people with good jobs go out on the street and kill people.. not all killings are gangs on the street stabbing each other Lionel well educated rich people kill aswell they just have better lawyers people from all walks of like comit crime most of the fraud is done by the rich even our politicians dabble " There is an undisputed link between crime and poverty. | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. duno what people think rehab can do it’s bullshit it does t work if they don’t fear the time they will do the crime People live under fear of death sentencing and still commit crime, especially when the crime is linked to their ability to eat, be housed, and have some money. Harsher sentencing will never reduce crime, you have to take away the causes of crime to be able to reduce it. takeaway the cause of crime lol it’s been going on sine beginning of time it will never stop some people are just bad like some are good that’s mankind not everything can be fixed by education rehabilitation and a big cuddle Some people will Give people decent jobs and a good standard of living and crime will plummet.aw right that’s how you stop murder r-pe fraud then give them a good job How many people with good jobs go out on the street and kill people.. not all killings are gangs on the street stabbing each other Lionel well educated rich people kill aswell they just have better lawyers people from all walks of like comit crime most of the fraud is done by the rich even our politicians dabble There is an undisputed link between crime and poverty." I agree just look at putin | |||
"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. duno what people think rehab can do it’s bullshit it does t work if they don’t fear the time they will do the crime People live under fear of death sentencing and still commit crime, especially when the crime is linked to their ability to eat, be housed, and have some money. Harsher sentencing will never reduce crime, you have to take away the causes of crime to be able to reduce it. takeaway the cause of crime lol it’s been going on sine beginning of time it will never stop some people are just bad like some are good that’s mankind not everything can be fixed by education rehabilitation and a big cuddle Some people will Give people decent jobs and a good standard of living and crime will plummet.aw right that’s how you stop murder r-pe fraud then give them a good job How many people with good jobs go out on the street and kill people.. not all killings are gangs on the street stabbing each other Lionel well educated rich people kill aswell they just have better lawyers people from all walks of like comit crime most of the fraud is done by the rich even our politicians dabble There is an undisputed link between crime and poverty." Yes there is, people who gamble, don't work, drink, take drugs and are twats often end up poor and then commit crime People who decide to work often don't want to destroy what they've built Yes there are grey areas... im not writing an essay! | |||
"Scotland took a holistic approach to knife crime and gang culture and they've seen a significant drop in offenses. We should take more out of their playbook. We're ready to demonise criminals but have to accept that our society plays a part in creating them. scotland has the biggest drug problem in europe lol and just coz its not recorded dont mean it aint happening. had a swiss friend who told me they decided to decriminalize many crimes including drugs, and it just became a fuck up...they went back to arresting people. but if you took a 100 kids from any school we all know there would be the naughty ones and the goodie two shoe ones lol i accept society can add to the problems or ease the problems but arent there always going to be people that just take the piss? isnt that just a fact? "Scotland have always big problem with substance abuse but with crime in general(particularly with knife crime which is the the main part of the OP's topic and is recorded ), it's going down because they are doing something constructive about it. Part of the reason the rest of the UK struggle is we like to act as if it's not possible to take that approach.
As for the swiss, it only further proves my point. Crimes will still happen unless you deal with why it happens by tackling social issues.
And the "100 kids" example, It's very basic. Children, like adults, are a product of their environment and circumstances. We're not born good or bad. We become what we are depending on the many or few opportunities made available to us.
Tax dodgers "take the piss." But I guess we're not talking about those crimes.
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"Of course the examples are basic Or it becomes too rambling... but we are actually born with large genetic components that effect our behaviour. "It's not rambling, it's simply accepting that the "one size fits all" approach to crime is dated and failing. Genetics? Sure, we have these components but they are still dictated by decisions we make. Put an aggressive child in a amateur boxing gym with mentors and routine, they potentially become a champion. Put a aggressive child on the street with their peers and nothing to do, they potentially become a thug. Both aggressive, both in different circumstances. | |||
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"funny how the victorian prisons didnt have all these problems lol why was that? no funding no drug courses or vocational training... few staff but lots of shackles and batons!
And massive crime including child prostitution, hard drugs being sold over the counter. Like to think we've advanced a bit since then.
what massive crime? statistics please... it is a fact murder rate has more than double since 60s in percentage terms. "https://www.digitalpanopticon.org/Crime,_1780-1925 http://vcp.e2bn.org/justice/ current info https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingjune2020 in a nutshell, far more crime which resulted in panics in the press, prison building, more capital punishement and deportations | |||
"I think we need to change our primary school education. The first couple of years need to teach children how to be good people." what do you think there teaching now how to be bad | |||
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"Build more prisons that incorporate real rehab and vocational training. Be tough on crime and be tough on rehabilitation. Pump some more cash into social services to try and stop people becoming criminals. duno what people think rehab can do it’s bullshit it does t work if they don’t fear the time they will do the crime People live under fear of death sentencing and still commit crime, especially when the crime is linked to their ability to eat, be housed, and have some money. Harsher sentencing will never reduce crime, you have to take away the causes of crime to be able to reduce it. takeaway the cause of crime lol it’s been going on sine beginning of time it will never stop some people are just bad like some are good that’s mankind not everything can be fixed by education rehabilitation and a big cuddle Some people will Give people decent jobs and a good standard of living and crime will plummet.aw right that’s how you stop murder r-pe fraud then give them a good job How many people with good jobs go out on the street and kill people.. not all killings are gangs on the street stabbing each other Lionel well educated rich people kill aswell they just have better lawyers people from all walks of like comit crime most of the fraud is done by the rich even our politicians dabble There is an undisputed link between crime and poverty. I agree just look at putin " | |||
"Of course the examples are basic Or it becomes too rambling... but we are actually born with large genetic components that effect our behaviour.
It's not rambling, it's simply accepting that the "one size fits all" approach to crime is dated and failing.
Genetics? Sure, we have these components but they are still dictated by decisions we make. Put an aggressive child in a amateur boxing gym with mentors and routine, they potentially become a champion. Put a aggressive child on the street with their peers and nothing to do, they potentially become a thug. Both aggressive, both in different circumstances.
"you are going off on tangents, im not listing all the possible past times available that cost nothing! You dont have to have a gym and become a boxer lol the point stands, take a 100 kids from any school anywhere in the world and some will be better behaved than others, or are you trying to say if each child gets love and devotion no crimes will be committed... dream on! in this country the druggies, thieves, whatever... always look to others to help them sort their shit... and imagine that they have bigger problems than you... you dont know what my lifes been like syndrome! weve got a nation of cry babies and pandering social workers! Where in norway, shoot the reindeer eat the reindeer wear the reindeer or go hungary and get cold and die lol | |||
"funny how the victorian prisons didnt have all these problems lol why was that? no funding no drug courses or vocational training... few staff but lots of shackles and batons!
And massive crime including child prostitution, hard drugs being sold over the counter. Like to think we've advanced a bit since then.
what massive crime? statistics please... it is a fact murder rate has more than double since 60s in percentage terms.
https://www.digitalpanopticon.org/Crime,_1780-1925
http://vcp.e2bn.org/justice/
current info
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingjune2020
in a nutshell, far more crime which resulted in panics in the press, prison building, more capital punishement and deportations
"yeah victorian crime was stealing bread or catching a rabbit on someones land, not 9 stabbings in 2 hours | |||
"Of course the examples are basic Or it becomes too rambling... but we are actually born with large genetic components that effect our behaviour.
It's not rambling, it's simply accepting that the "one size fits all" approach to crime is dated and failing.
Genetics? Sure, we have these components but they are still dictated by decisions we make. Put an aggressive child in a amateur boxing gym with mentors and routine, they potentially become a champion. Put a aggressive child on the street with their peers and nothing to do, they potentially become a thug. Both aggressive, both in different circumstances.
you are going off on tangents, im not listing all the possible past times available that cost nothing! You dont have to have a gym and become a boxer lol
the point stands, take a 100 kids from any school anywhere in the world and some will be better behaved than others, or are you trying to say if each child gets love and devotion no crimes will be committed... dream on!
in this country the druggies, thieves, whatever... always look to others to help them sort their shit... and imagine that they have bigger problems than you... you dont know what my lifes been like syndrome! weve got a nation of cry babies and pandering social workers! Where in norway, shoot the reindeer eat the reindeer wear the reindeer or go hungary and get cold and die lol "You brought up genetics and then you don't want to talk about it? Nice 
Aggression could be one of the "large genetics components" you're talking about, hence the example. I'll also highlight that I said POTENTIALLY that this can be the outcome. Of course it's not a guarantee. I'm aware this isn't an instant fix but the practice holds weight, as seen in Scotland and it's reason why it's been ventured in the rest of the UK.
Druggies, thieves and whatever are also people with backgrounds. The problem with not dealing with these issues is eventually, through crime, they become our problems. Being dismissive doesn't make it go away.
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"Of course the examples are basic Or it becomes too rambling... but we are actually born with large genetic components that effect our behaviour.
It's not rambling, it's simply accepting that the "one size fits all" approach to crime is dated and failing.
Genetics? Sure, we have these components but they are still dictated by decisions we make. Put an aggressive child in a amateur boxing gym with mentors and routine, they potentially become a champion. Put a aggressive child on the street with their peers and nothing to do, they potentially become a thug. Both aggressive, both in different circumstances.
you are going off on tangents, im not listing all the possible past times available that cost nothing! You dont have to have a gym and become a boxer lol
the point stands, take a 100 kids from any school anywhere in the world and some will be better behaved than others, or are you trying to say if each child gets love and devotion no crimes will be committed... dream on!
in this country the druggies, thieves, whatever... always look to others to help them sort their shit... and imagine that they have bigger problems than you... you dont know what my lifes been like syndrome! weve got a nation of cry babies and pandering social workers! Where in norway, shoot the reindeer eat the reindeer wear the reindeer or go hungary and get cold and die lol
You brought up genetics and then you don't want to talk about it? Nice
Aggression could be one of the "large genetics components" you're talking about, hence the example. I'll also highlight that I said POTENTIALLY that this can be the outcome. Of course it's not a guarantee. I'm aware this isn't an instant fix but the practice holds weight, as seen in Scotland and it's reason why it's been ventured in the rest of the UK.
Druggies, thieves and whatever are also people with backgrounds. The problem with not dealing with these issues is eventually, through crime, they become our problems. Being dismissive doesn't make it go away.
"im not ignoring genetics but im not going through it case lol scotland has started to throw more time and money at the problem, BUT heres why people get annoyed with criminals/the system etc... wed rather throw time and money at cancer or MS or virtually anything other than grown ups that forever need help because they cant grow up! Im not being dismissive, how do you figure that out? But like many i dont see why we should all pay to keep them and pander to them... we could sweeny todd the lot, problem solved, be open to suggestion lol | |||
"Of course the examples are basic Or it becomes too rambling... but we are actually born with large genetic components that effect our behaviour.
It's not rambling, it's simply accepting that the "one size fits all" approach to crime is dated and failing.
Genetics? Sure, we have these components but they are still dictated by decisions we make. Put an aggressive child in a amateur boxing gym with mentors and routine, they potentially become a champion. Put a aggressive child on the street with their peers and nothing to do, they potentially become a thug. Both aggressive, both in different circumstances.
you are going off on tangents, im not listing all the possible past times available that cost nothing! You dont have to have a gym and become a boxer lol
the point stands, take a 100 kids from any school anywhere in the world and some will be better behaved than others, or are you trying to say if each child gets love and devotion no crimes will be committed... dream on!
in this country the druggies, thieves, whatever... always look to others to help them sort their shit... and imagine that they have bigger problems than you... you dont know what my lifes been like syndrome! weve got a nation of cry babies and pandering social workers! Where in norway, shoot the reindeer eat the reindeer wear the reindeer or go hungary and get cold and die lol
You brought up genetics and then you don't want to talk about it? Nice
Aggression could be one of the "large genetics components" you're talking about, hence the example. I'll also highlight that I said POTENTIALLY that this can be the outcome. Of course it's not a guarantee. I'm aware this isn't an instant fix but the practice holds weight, as seen in Scotland and it's reason why it's been ventured in the rest of the UK.
Druggies, thieves and whatever are also people with backgrounds. The problem with not dealing with these issues is eventually, through crime, they become our problems. Being dismissive doesn't make it go away.
im not ignoring genetics but im not going through it case lol scotland has started to throw more time and money at the problem, BUT heres why people get annoyed with criminals/the system etc...
wed rather throw time and money at cancer or MS or virtually anything other than grown ups that forever need help because they cant grow up! Im not being dismissive, how do you figure that out?
But like many i dont see why we should all pay to keep them and pander to them... we could sweeny todd the lot, problem solved, be open to suggestion lol "It's not as simple as "growing up" , the background of an adult can dictate their mental health and propensity for making the right or wrong moral decisions. There are many many reasons why people can turn into criminals, some start before child birth, some during growing up, some as the result of major accidents and like you say some because of personal choice and lack of personal discipline. To have your attitude is to lump in people that have made that choice with people who have ended up that way because of an outside influence. | |||
"Of course the examples are basic Or it becomes too rambling... but we are actually born with large genetic components that effect our behaviour.
It's not rambling, it's simply accepting that the "one size fits all" approach to crime is dated and failing.
Genetics? Sure, we have these components but they are still dictated by decisions we make. Put an aggressive child in a amateur boxing gym with mentors and routine, they potentially become a champion. Put a aggressive child on the street with their peers and nothing to do, they potentially become a thug. Both aggressive, both in different circumstances.
you are going off on tangents, im not listing all the possible past times available that cost nothing! You dont have to have a gym and become a boxer lol
the point stands, take a 100 kids from any school anywhere in the world and some will be better behaved than others, or are you trying to say if each child gets love and devotion no crimes will be committed... dream on!
in this country the druggies, thieves, whatever... always look to others to help them sort their shit... and imagine that they have bigger problems than you... you dont know what my lifes been like syndrome! weve got a nation of cry babies and pandering social workers! Where in norway, shoot the reindeer eat the reindeer wear the reindeer or go hungary and get cold and die lol
You brought up genetics and then you don't want to talk about it? Nice
Aggression could be one of the "large genetics components" you're talking about, hence the example. I'll also highlight that I said POTENTIALLY that this can be the outcome. Of course it's not a guarantee. I'm aware this isn't an instant fix but the practice holds weight, as seen in Scotland and it's reason why it's been ventured in the rest of the UK.
Druggies, thieves and whatever are also people with backgrounds. The problem with not dealing with these issues is eventually, through crime, they become our problems. Being dismissive doesn't make it go away.
im not ignoring genetics but im not going through it case lol scotland has started to throw more time and money at the problem, BUT heres why people get annoyed with criminals/the system etc...
wed rather throw time and money at cancer or MS or virtually anything other than grown ups that forever need help because they cant grow up! Im not being dismissive, how do you figure that out?
But like many i dont see why we should all pay to keep them and pander to them... we could sweeny todd the lot, problem solved, be open to suggestion lol "After you’ve sweeny todded that lot can you start on those with a Brum accent .. now that is criminal. I agree with the good citizen stuff in primary schools and a huge uplift in education to give people a better chance and if they decide they prefer crime then each tim they do it double the tariff until it’s not a good choice to commit crime again. Just saw on tv a guy hit a policeman with a car on purpose and he got 12 weeks suspended. 6 points in his licence and 150hours community service . He tried to run over a policeman FFS !! | |||
" im not ignoring genetics but im not going through it case lol scotland has started to throw more time and money at the problem, BUT heres why people get annoyed with criminals/the system etc... wed rather throw time and money at cancer or MS or virtually anything other than grown ups that forever need help because they cant grow up! Im not being dismissive, how do you figure that out? But like many i dont see why we should all pay to keep them and pander to them... we could sweeny todd the lot, problem solved, be open to suggestion lol "I didn't ask you to. I simply responded to a point you brought up. Scotland did through money and time at the problem and from 2010 to the present, the change has been positive. Of course we want to help MS and Cancer. We also want help mental health, which is a factor of crime, but has seen a lot of funding cuts. It's not help forever, it's making sure the help is there. You'll have to forgive me. The nature and tone of some of your posts seems dismissive, especially as my reference in regards to Scotland's approach supports my response to the OP. I appreciate that criminals are not deserving of care but methods in reducing the factors that lead criminality means that you'll have less to deal with in the future. | |||
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"Of course the examples are basic Or it becomes too rambling... but we are actually born with large genetic components that effect our behaviour.
It's not rambling, it's simply accepting that the "one size fits all" approach to crime is dated and failing.
Genetics? Sure, we have these components but they are still dictated by decisions we make. Put an aggressive child in a amateur boxing gym with mentors and routine, they potentially become a champion. Put a aggressive child on the street with their peers and nothing to do, they potentially become a thug. Both aggressive, both in different circumstances.
you are going off on tangents, im not listing all the possible past times available that cost nothing! You dont have to have a gym and become a boxer lol
the point stands, take a 100 kids from any school anywhere in the world and some will be better behaved than others, or are you trying to say if each child gets love and devotion no crimes will be committed... dream on!
in this country the druggies, thieves, whatever... always look to others to help them sort their shit... and imagine that they have bigger problems than you... you dont know what my lifes been like syndrome! weve got a nation of cry babies and pandering social workers! Where in norway, shoot the reindeer eat the reindeer wear the reindeer or go hungary and get cold and die lol
You brought up genetics and then you don't want to talk about it? Nice
Aggression could be one of the "large genetics components" you're talking about, hence the example. I'll also highlight that I said POTENTIALLY that this can be the outcome. Of course it's not a guarantee. I'm aware this isn't an instant fix but the practice holds weight, as seen in Scotland and it's reason why it's been ventured in the rest of the UK.
Druggies, thieves and whatever are also people with backgrounds. The problem with not dealing with these issues is eventually, through crime, they become our problems. Being dismissive doesn't make it go away.
im not ignoring genetics but im not going through it case lol scotland has started to throw more time and money at the problem, BUT heres why people get annoyed with criminals/the system etc...
wed rather throw time and money at cancer or MS or virtually anything other than grown ups that forever need help because they cant grow up! Im not being dismissive, how do you figure that out?
But like many i dont see why we should all pay to keep them and pander to them... we could sweeny todd the lot, problem solved, be open to suggestion lol "Because if you get people off the gear and away from crime it will make the general public safer in terms of robberies, burglaries etc. | |||
"were getting there lol in a perfect world with unlimited resources you can pander to criminals, they can have a mentor each or just a collar that blows their head off if they go outside but we dont live in a perfect world with unlimited mentors and collars, the victorians solved that by chaining them to a wall lol but i digress.... so they leech off the system while they are criminals AND then want the same system to help them later in life, hospital care, leg up whatever how is that fair on the majority? some poor hard working schmuck who never put a foot wrong waiting for his her cancer treatment behind some goat shagging cattle thief... its not fair is it... so perhaps we should all shag goats and steal cattle? whats happening is the criminals are poor hard done tos failed by society and those that have made it.... well they had it easy, silver spoon in their mouth... wankers! Which is just not true... hence people get resentful and it turns into a fuck fest but i do agree with the post above, 2 strikes and then hang em? just a cheap economically viable option lol "I'd like to hear what your ideas are on the criminals that for the most part keep the world spinning round, ceos, wall street, big pharma etc. Bit of a puzzle that one isn't it? Because a huge amount of them leech of the majority and a good portion are responsible for many of the problems that face the working class and in turn cause many of the criminals in the first place... | |||
"were getting there lol in a perfect world with unlimited resources you can pander to criminals, they can have a mentor each or just a collar that blows their head off if they go outside but we dont live in a perfect world with unlimited mentors and collars, the victorians solved that by chaining them to a wall lol but i digress.... so they leech off the system while they are criminals AND then want the same system to help them later in life, hospital care, leg up whatever how is that fair on the majority? some poor hard working schmuck who never put a foot wrong waiting for his her cancer treatment behind some goat shagging cattle thief... its not fair is it... so perhaps we should all shag goats and steal cattle? whats happening is the criminals are poor hard done tos failed by society and those that have made it.... well they had it easy, silver spoon in their mouth... wankers! Which is just not true... hence people get resentful and it turns into a fuck fest but i do agree with the post above, 2 strikes and then hang em? just a cheap economically viable option lol "You've basically said the same thing in your last two posts. This is one of the reasons why I'm finding some of your posts dismissive. It's not a case of "pandering," it's trying to nullifying crime at its root. The OP mentioned "that some say we're soft on crime yet prisons are overflowing." So are more bad people being born each year? You do realise that putting someone in prison cost the taxpayer more than a private education.
Speaking of tax: You're right. We don't live in a perfect world. In a perfect world, rich folk would pay their fair share of tax instead of dodging it so we have the resources to help with cancer treatments AND deal with social issues leading to crime. I digress.
The reality is prison creates more criminals than it rehabilitates. The way crime is handled right now just sees us going round in circles.
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"Of course the examples are basic Or it becomes too rambling... but we are actually born with large genetic components that effect our behaviour.
It's not rambling, it's simply accepting that the "one size fits all" approach to crime is dated and failing.
Genetics? Sure, we have these components but they are still dictated by decisions we make. Put an aggressive child in a amateur boxing gym with mentors and routine, they potentially become a champion. Put a aggressive child on the street with their peers and nothing to do, they potentially become a thug. Both aggressive, both in different circumstances.
you are going off on tangents, im not listing all the possible past times available that cost nothing! You dont have to have a gym and become a boxer lol
the point stands, take a 100 kids from any school anywhere in the world and some will be better behaved than others, or are you trying to say if each child gets love and devotion no crimes will be committed... dream on!
in this country the druggies, thieves, whatever... always look to others to help them sort their shit... and imagine that they have bigger problems than you... you dont know what my lifes been like syndrome! weve got a nation of cry babies and pandering social workers! Where in norway, shoot the reindeer eat the reindeer wear the reindeer or go hungary and get cold and die lol
You brought up genetics and then you don't want to talk about it? Nice
Aggression could be one of the "large genetics components" you're talking about, hence the example. I'll also highlight that I said POTENTIALLY that this can be the outcome. Of course it's not a guarantee. I'm aware this isn't an instant fix but the practice holds weight, as seen in Scotland and it's reason why it's been ventured in the rest of the UK.
Druggies, thieves and whatever are also people with backgrounds. The problem with not dealing with these issues is eventually, through crime, they become our problems. Being dismissive doesn't make it go away.
im not ignoring genetics but im not going through it case lol scotland has started to throw more time and money at the problem, BUT heres why people get annoyed with criminals/the system etc...
wed rather throw time and money at cancer or MS or virtually anything other than grown ups that forever need help because they cant grow up! Im not being dismissive, how do you figure that out?
But like many i dont see why we should all pay to keep them and pander to them... we could sweeny todd the lot, problem solved, be open to suggestion lol
Because if you get people off the gear and away from crime it will make the general public safer in terms of robberies, burglaries etc."as always you are totally missing the point, if you hang them all they wont take gear! or commit robbery or..anything and its very cheap... but you want to put them up in the hilton with sex drugs and a game boy? im in, i always wanted to be a criminal lol if im good at it i can live a nice life and if im crap the hiltons ok! i might be a criminal you dont know lol whats the budget for all this? too much! if it was a fiver it would be too much, read my post above as to why! dont ignore mr average, the working man, dont make him pay extra tax and tell me about poor little crims who need help.. enough said, ive got to go out and commit some dastardly act, yes book me a therapist and a gym session | |||
"Of course the examples are basic Or it becomes too rambling... but we are actually born with large genetic components that effect our behaviour.
It's not rambling, it's simply accepting that the "one size fits all" approach to crime is dated and failing.
Genetics? Sure, we have these components but they are still dictated by decisions we make. Put an aggressive child in a amateur boxing gym with mentors and routine, they potentially become a champion. Put a aggressive child on the street with their peers and nothing to do, they potentially become a thug. Both aggressive, both in different circumstances.
you are going off on tangents, im not listing all the possible past times available that cost nothing! You dont have to have a gym and become a boxer lol
the point stands, take a 100 kids from any school anywhere in the world and some will be better behaved than others, or are you trying to say if each child gets love and devotion no crimes will be committed... dream on!
in this country the druggies, thieves, whatever... always look to others to help them sort their shit... and imagine that they have bigger problems than you... you dont know what my lifes been like syndrome! weve got a nation of cry babies and pandering social workers! Where in norway, shoot the reindeer eat the reindeer wear the reindeer or go hungary and get cold and die lol
You brought up genetics and then you don't want to talk about it? Nice
Aggression could be one of the "large genetics components" you're talking about, hence the example. I'll also highlight that I said POTENTIALLY that this can be the outcome. Of course it's not a guarantee. I'm aware this isn't an instant fix but the practice holds weight, as seen in Scotland and it's reason why it's been ventured in the rest of the UK.
Druggies, thieves and whatever are also people with backgrounds. The problem with not dealing with these issues is eventually, through crime, they become our problems. Being dismissive doesn't make it go away.
im not ignoring genetics but im not going through it case lol scotland has started to throw more time and money at the problem, BUT heres why people get annoyed with criminals/the system etc...
wed rather throw time and money at cancer or MS or virtually anything other than grown ups that forever need help because they cant grow up! Im not being dismissive, how do you figure that out?
But like many i dont see why we should all pay to keep them and pander to them... we could sweeny todd the lot, problem solved, be open to suggestion lol
Because if you get people off the gear and away from crime it will make the general public safer in terms of robberies, burglaries etc.
as always you are totally missing the point, if you hang them all they wont take gear! or commit robbery or..anything and its very cheap...
but you want to put them up in the hilton with sex drugs and a game boy? im in, i always wanted to be a criminal lol if im good at it i can live a nice life and if im crap the hiltons ok! i might be a criminal you dont know lol
whats the budget for all this? too much! if it was a fiver it would be too much, read my post above as to why!
dont ignore mr average, the working man, dont make him pay extra tax and tell me about poor little crims who need help..
enough said, ive got to go out and commit some dastardly act, yes book me a therapist and a gym session "People dont get put up in the holton Dont be silly. | |||
"Of course the examples are basic Or it becomes too rambling... but we are actually born with large genetic components that effect our behaviour.
It's not rambling, it's simply accepting that the "one size fits all" approach to crime is dated and failing.
Genetics? Sure, we have these components but they are still dictated by decisions we make. Put an aggressive child in a amateur boxing gym with mentors and routine, they potentially become a champion. Put a aggressive child on the street with their peers and nothing to do, they potentially become a thug. Both aggressive, both in different circumstances.
you are going off on tangents, im not listing all the possible past times available that cost nothing! You dont have to have a gym and become a boxer lol
the point stands, take a 100 kids from any school anywhere in the world and some will be better behaved than others, or are you trying to say if each child gets love and devotion no crimes will be committed... dream on!
in this country the druggies, thieves, whatever... always look to others to help them sort their shit... and imagine that they have bigger problems than you... you dont know what my lifes been like syndrome! weve got a nation of cry babies and pandering social workers! Where in norway, shoot the reindeer eat the reindeer wear the reindeer or go hungary and get cold and die lol
You brought up genetics and then you don't want to talk about it? Nice
Aggression could be one of the "large genetics components" you're talking about, hence the example. I'll also highlight that I said POTENTIALLY that this can be the outcome. Of course it's not a guarantee. I'm aware this isn't an instant fix but the practice holds weight, as seen in Scotland and it's reason why it's been ventured in the rest of the UK.
Druggies, thieves and whatever are also people with backgrounds. The problem with not dealing with these issues is eventually, through crime, they become our problems. Being dismissive doesn't make it go away.
im not ignoring genetics but im not going through it case lol scotland has started to throw more time and money at the problem, BUT heres why people get annoyed with criminals/the system etc...
wed rather throw time and money at cancer or MS or virtually anything other than grown ups that forever need help because they cant grow up! Im not being dismissive, how do you figure that out?
But like many i dont see why we should all pay to keep them and pander to them... we could sweeny todd the lot, problem solved, be open to suggestion lol
Because if you get people off the gear and away from crime it will make the general public safer in terms of robberies, burglaries etc.
as always you are totally missing the point, if you hang them all they wont take gear! or commit robbery or..anything and its very cheap...
but you want to put them up in the hilton with sex drugs and a game boy? im in, i always wanted to be a criminal lol if im good at it i can live a nice life and if im crap the hiltons ok! i might be a criminal you dont know lol
whats the budget for all this? too much! if it was a fiver it would be too much, read my post above as to why!
dont ignore mr average, the working man, dont make him pay extra tax and tell me about poor little crims who need help..
enough said, ive got to go out and commit some dastardly act, yes book me a therapist and a gym session
People dont get put up in the holton
Dont be silly."it’s not far off | |||
"Of course the examples are basic Or it becomes too rambling... but we are actually born with large genetic components that effect our behaviour.
It's not rambling, it's simply accepting that the "one size fits all" approach to crime is dated and failing.
Genetics? Sure, we have these components but they are still dictated by decisions we make. Put an aggressive child in a amateur boxing gym with mentors and routine, they potentially become a champion. Put a aggressive child on the street with their peers and nothing to do, they potentially become a thug. Both aggressive, both in different circumstances.
you are going off on tangents, im not listing all the possible past times available that cost nothing! You dont have to have a gym and become a boxer lol
the point stands, take a 100 kids from any school anywhere in the world and some will be better behaved than others, or are you trying to say if each child gets love and devotion no crimes will be committed... dream on!
in this country the druggies, thieves, whatever... always look to others to help them sort their shit... and imagine that they have bigger problems than you... you dont know what my lifes been like syndrome! weve got a nation of cry babies and pandering social workers! Where in norway, shoot the reindeer eat the reindeer wear the reindeer or go hungary and get cold and die lol
You brought up genetics and then you don't want to talk about it? Nice
Aggression could be one of the "large genetics components" you're talking about, hence the example. I'll also highlight that I said POTENTIALLY that this can be the outcome. Of course it's not a guarantee. I'm aware this isn't an instant fix but the practice holds weight, as seen in Scotland and it's reason why it's been ventured in the rest of the UK.
Druggies, thieves and whatever are also people with backgrounds. The problem with not dealing with these issues is eventually, through crime, they become our problems. Being dismissive doesn't make it go away.
im not ignoring genetics but im not going through it case lol scotland has started to throw more time and money at the problem, BUT heres why people get annoyed with criminals/the system etc...
wed rather throw time and money at cancer or MS or virtually anything other than grown ups that forever need help because they cant grow up! Im not being dismissive, how do you figure that out?
But like many i dont see why we should all pay to keep them and pander to them... we could sweeny todd the lot, problem solved, be open to suggestion lol
Because if you get people off the gear and away from crime it will make the general public safer in terms of robberies, burglaries etc.
as always you are totally missing the point, if you hang them all they wont take gear! or commit robbery or..anything and its very cheap...
but you want to put them up in the hilton with sex drugs and a game boy? im in, i always wanted to be a criminal lol if im good at it i can live a nice life and if im crap the hiltons ok! i might be a criminal you dont know lol
whats the budget for all this? too much! if it was a fiver it would be too much, read my post above as to why!
dont ignore mr average, the working man, dont make him pay extra tax and tell me about poor little crims who need help..
enough said, ive got to go out and commit some dastardly act, yes book me a therapist and a gym session
People dont get put up in the holton
Dont be silly."still missing the point! | |||
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"Of course the examples are basic Or it becomes too rambling... but we are actually born with large genetic components that effect our behaviour.
It's not rambling, it's simply accepting that the "one size fits all" approach to crime is dated and failing.
Genetics? Sure, we have these components but they are still dictated by decisions we make. Put an aggressive child in a amateur boxing gym with mentors and routine, they potentially become a champion. Put a aggressive child on the street with their peers and nothing to do, they potentially become a thug. Both aggressive, both in different circumstances.
you are going off on tangents, im not listing all the possible past times available that cost nothing! You dont have to have a gym and become a boxer lol
the point stands, take a 100 kids from any school anywhere in the world and some will be better behaved than others, or are you trying to say if each child gets love and devotion no crimes will be committed... dream on!
in this country the druggies, thieves, whatever... always look to others to help them sort their shit... and imagine that they have bigger problems than you... you dont know what my lifes been like syndrome! weve got a nation of cry babies and pandering social workers! Where in norway, shoot the reindeer eat the reindeer wear the reindeer or go hungary and get cold and die lol
You brought up genetics and then you don't want to talk about it? Nice
Aggression could be one of the "large genetics components" you're talking about, hence the example. I'll also highlight that I said POTENTIALLY that this can be the outcome. Of course it's not a guarantee. I'm aware this isn't an instant fix but the practice holds weight, as seen in Scotland and it's reason why it's been ventured in the rest of the UK.
Druggies, thieves and whatever are also people with backgrounds. The problem with not dealing with these issues is eventually, through crime, they become our problems. Being dismissive doesn't make it go away.
im not ignoring genetics but im not going through it case lol scotland has started to throw more time and money at the problem, BUT heres why people get annoyed with criminals/the system etc...
wed rather throw time and money at cancer or MS or virtually anything other than grown ups that forever need help because they cant grow up! Im not being dismissive, how do you figure that out?
But like many i dont see why we should all pay to keep them and pander to them... we could sweeny todd the lot, problem solved, be open to suggestion lol
Because if you get people off the gear and away from crime it will make the general public safer in terms of robberies, burglaries etc.
as always you are totally missing the point, if you hang them all they wont take gear! or commit robbery or..anything and its very cheap...
but you want to put them up in the hilton with sex drugs and a game boy? im in, i always wanted to be a criminal lol if im good at it i can live a nice life and if im crap the hiltons ok! i might be a criminal you dont know lol
whats the budget for all this? too much! if it was a fiver it would be too much, read my post above as to why!
dont ignore mr average, the working man, dont make him pay extra tax and tell me about poor little crims who need help..
enough said, ive got to go out and commit some dastardly act, yes book me a therapist and a gym session
People dont get put up in the holton
Dont be silly.it’s not far off "I'm.mot sute what Hilton's hou have stayed in but I'd definitely complain | |||
"Patting a rabid dog on the head, Ain't gonna stop it from biting you. For every criminal there are multiple victims. If you have been a victim. Then you would most certainly have thought ! if you could only get your hands on them. As in the film die hard. Cut their heart out with a blunt spoon. " A sensible approach | |||
"Pull a knife on me you getting shot. Break into my house you getting shot or bit. I have no empathy for your stupid decisions." Obvs why America has so little problems. | |||
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"Pull a knife on me you getting shot. Break into my house you getting shot or bit. I have no empathy for your stupid decisions. Obvs why America has so little problems." I am having no problems. IDC what issues perpetrators have if you use any deadly force. I am responding. Guns knives baseball bat. I not biased on your weapon of choice. Problem solved. | |||
"Of course the examples are basic Or it becomes too rambling... but we are actually born with large genetic components that effect our behaviour.
It's not rambling, it's simply accepting that the "one size fits all" approach to crime is dated and failing.
Genetics? Sure, we have these components but they are still dictated by decisions we make. Put an aggressive child in a amateur boxing gym with mentors and routine, they potentially become a champion. Put a aggressive child on the street with their peers and nothing to do, they potentially become a thug. Both aggressive, both in different circumstances.
you are going off on tangents, im not listing all the possible past times available that cost nothing! You dont have to have a gym and become a boxer lol
the point stands, take a 100 kids from any school anywhere in the world and some will be better behaved than others, or are you trying to say if each child gets love and devotion no crimes will be committed... dream on!
in this country the druggies, thieves, whatever... always look to others to help them sort their shit... and imagine that they have bigger problems than you... you dont know what my lifes been like syndrome! weve got a nation of cry babies and pandering social workers! Where in norway, shoot the reindeer eat the reindeer wear the reindeer or go hungary and get cold and die lol
You brought up genetics and then you don't want to talk about it? Nice
Aggression could be one of the "large genetics components" you're talking about, hence the example. I'll also highlight that I said POTENTIALLY that this can be the outcome. Of course it's not a guarantee. I'm aware this isn't an instant fix but the practice holds weight, as seen in Scotland and it's reason why it's been ventured in the rest of the UK.
Druggies, thieves and whatever are also people with backgrounds. The problem with not dealing with these issues is eventually, through crime, they become our problems. Being dismissive doesn't make it go away.
im not ignoring genetics but im not going through it case lol scotland has started to throw more time and money at the problem, BUT heres why people get annoyed with criminals/the system etc...
wed rather throw time and money at cancer or MS or virtually anything other than grown ups that forever need help because they cant grow up! Im not being dismissive, how do you figure that out?
But like many i dont see why we should all pay to keep them and pander to them... we could sweeny todd the lot, problem solved, be open to suggestion lol
Because if you get people off the gear and away from crime it will make the general public safer in terms of robberies, burglaries etc.
as always you are totally missing the point, if you hang them all they wont take gear! or commit robbery or..anything and its very cheap...
but you want to put them up in the hilton with sex drugs and a game boy? im in, i always wanted to be a criminal lol if im good at it i can live a nice life and if im crap the hiltons ok! i might be a criminal you dont know lol
whats the budget for all this? too much! if it was a fiver it would be too much, read my post above as to why!
dont ignore mr average, the working man, dont make him pay extra tax and tell me about poor little crims who need help..
enough said, ive got to go out and commit some dastardly act, yes book me a therapist and a gym session
People dont get put up in the holton
Dont be silly.it’s not far off
I'm.mot sute what Hilton's hou have stayed in but I'd definitely complain "I know right?!
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"Pull a knife on me you getting shot. Break into my house you getting shot or bit. I have no empathy for your stupid decisions. Obvs why America has so little problems." You had no issues when the capital was broken into and they used lethal force. My home is my capitol.  | |||
"Patting a rabid dog on the head, Ain't gonna stop it from biting you. For every criminal there are multiple victims. If you have been a victim. Then you would most certainly have thought ! if you could only get your hands on them. As in the film die hard. Cut their heart out with a blunt spoon. " A drug dealer is a criminal in the eyes of the law? Are the people they sell to victims? They make the conscious decision to purchase those drugs? Simple supply and demand. Not to dissimilar to the pharmaceutical industry, in fact a lot of street drugs are most likely more healthy for you than the shite they spit out that are meant to help you. Methadone is a prime example. You know where the victimisation mostly appears in the illicit drug trade? Between rival drug dealers. A friction that is caused by the illegality of the drugs in the first place... | |||
"Patting a rabid dog on the head, Ain't gonna stop it from biting you. For every criminal there are multiple victims. If you have been a victim. Then you would most certainly have thought ! if you could only get your hands on them. As in the film die hard. Cut their heart out with a blunt spoon. A drug dealer is a criminal in the eyes of the law? Are the people they sell to victims? They make the conscious decision to purchase those drugs? Simple supply and demand. Not to dissimilar to the pharmaceutical industry, in fact a lot of street drugs are most likely more healthy for you than the shite they spit out that are meant to help you. Methadone is a prime example. You know where the victimisation mostly appears in the illicit drug trade? Between rival drug dealers. A friction that is caused by the illegality of the drugs in the first place... " are you actually on drugs now? lol | |||
"Patting a rabid dog on the head, Ain't gonna stop it from biting you. For every criminal there are multiple victims. If you have been a victim. Then you would most certainly have thought ! if you could only get your hands on them. As in the film die hard. Cut their heart out with a blunt spoon. A drug dealer is a criminal in the eyes of the law? Are the people they sell to victims? They make the conscious decision to purchase those drugs? Simple supply and demand. Not to dissimilar to the pharmaceutical industry, in fact a lot of street drugs are most likely more healthy for you than the shite they spit out that are meant to help you. Methadone is a prime example. You know where the victimisation mostly appears in the illicit drug trade? Between rival drug dealers. A friction that is caused by the illegality of the drugs in the first place... are you actually on drugs now? lol "Yes of course. | |||
"Patting a rabid dog on the head, Ain't gonna stop it from biting you. For every criminal there are multiple victims. If you have been a victim. Then you would most certainly have thought ! if you could only get your hands on them. As in the film die hard. Cut their heart out with a blunt spoon. A drug dealer is a criminal in the eyes of the law? Are the people they sell to victims? They make the conscious decision to purchase those drugs? Simple supply and demand. Not to dissimilar to the pharmaceutical industry, in fact a lot of street drugs are most likely more healthy for you than the shite they spit out that are meant to help you. Methadone is a prime example. You know where the victimisation mostly appears in the illicit drug trade? Between rival drug dealers. A friction that is caused by the illegality of the drugs in the first place... are you actually on drugs now? lol
Yes of course. "see prison is just like the hilton, here lionel take a drag.. lol | |||
"Patting a rabid dog on the head, Ain't gonna stop it from biting you. For every criminal there are multiple victims. If you have been a victim. Then you would most certainly have thought ! if you could only get your hands on them. As in the film die hard. Cut their heart out with a blunt spoon. A drug dealer is a criminal in the eyes of the law? Are the people they sell to victims? They make the conscious decision to purchase those drugs? Simple supply and demand. Not to dissimilar to the pharmaceutical industry, in fact a lot of street drugs are most likely more healthy for you than the shite they spit out that are meant to help you. Methadone is a prime example. You know where the victimisation mostly appears in the illicit drug trade? Between rival drug dealers. A friction that is caused by the illegality of the drugs in the first place... are you actually on drugs now? lol
Yes of course.
see prison is just like the hilton, here lionel take a drag.. lol "Are you sure you aren't on drugs ? | |||
"Patting a rabid dog on the head, Ain't gonna stop it from biting you. For every criminal there are multiple victims. If you have been a victim. Then you would most certainly have thought ! if you could only get your hands on them. As in the film die hard. Cut their heart out with a blunt spoon. A drug dealer is a criminal in the eyes of the law? Are the people they sell to victims? They make the conscious decision to purchase those drugs? Simple supply and demand. Not to dissimilar to the pharmaceutical industry, in fact a lot of street drugs are most likely more healthy for you than the shite they spit out that are meant to help you. Methadone is a prime example. You know where the victimisation mostly appears in the illicit drug trade? Between rival drug dealers. A friction that is caused by the illegality of the drugs in the first place... are you actually on drugs now? lol
Yes of course.
see prison is just like the hilton, here lionel take a drag.. lol
Are you sure you aren't on drugs ? "OMG drugs are for bad people ! | |||
"Patting a rabid dog on the head, Ain't gonna stop it from biting you. For every criminal there are multiple victims. If you have been a victim. Then you would most certainly have thought ! if you could only get your hands on them. As in the film die hard. Cut their heart out with a blunt spoon. A drug dealer is a criminal in the eyes of the law? Are the people they sell to victims? They make the conscious decision to purchase those drugs? Simple supply and demand. Not to dissimilar to the pharmaceutical industry, in fact a lot of street drugs are most likely more healthy for you than the shite they spit out that are meant to help you. Methadone is a prime example. You know where the victimisation mostly appears in the illicit drug trade? Between rival drug dealers. A friction that is caused by the illegality of the drugs in the first place... are you actually on drugs now? lol
Yes of course.
see prison is just like the hilton, here lionel take a drag.. lol
Are you sure you aren't on drugs ?
OMG drugs are for bad people ! " | |||
"Privatisation of the Judicial system has led us down this path. What does it say about a government that it cannot enforce the law without help from private enterprise? It says they betrayed our justice system, betrayed our police officers, our probation service, our prison service. These dedicated servants of justice have been stripped to the bone, with public funding diminished and profiteering private companies picking clean our system clean. I hope when Labour get in they will reverse the years of under investment by the tories and restore these service to their former glory." I agree but think the tories will do it.Labour even softer on crime all parties to soft on this issue | |||
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"Privatisation of the Judicial system has led us down this path. What does it say about a government that it cannot enforce the law without help from private enterprise? It says they betrayed our justice system, betrayed our police officers, our probation service, our prison service. These dedicated servants of justice have been stripped to the bone, with public funding diminished and profiteering private companies picking clean our system clean. I hope when Labour get in they will reverse the years of under investment by the tories and restore these service to their former glory.I agree but think the tories will do it.Labour even softer on crime all parties to soft on this issue" It's not about being soft, it's about doing what works. If you want to tackle crime tackle the causes. | |||
"Privatisation of the Judicial system has led us down this path. What does it say about a government that it cannot enforce the law without help from private enterprise? It says they betrayed our justice system, betrayed our police officers, our probation service, our prison service. These dedicated servants of justice have been stripped to the bone, with public funding diminished and profiteering private companies picking clean our system clean. I hope when Labour get in they will reverse the years of under investment by the tories and restore these service to their former glory.I agree but think the tories will do it.Labour even softer on crime all parties to soft on this issue It's not about being soft, it's about doing what works. If you want to tackle crime tackle the causes." Oh look a platitude... the children are the future let them show the way lol | |||
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"Don't forget, if you plead guilty at the first instance, you get a third off your sentence. " then serve half of what’s left great justice isn’t it ffs | |||
