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""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True?" Of course it can't be true. We're doomed with EU membership  | |||
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""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True?" Yes keep crying remoaners you are wrong just exept it we have done the right thing | |||
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"Dam, I was going to write something positive and the troll has gone and soured the thread " it’s just not in yr DNA mate lol | |||
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"It just goes to show that businesses find ways round tape, uk firms opening offices in the EU, eu firms opening in the UK. Perhaps in a couple of years when the bitterness and stupidly dies down both sides will remove a lot of the form filling. If it wasn't needed in December it isnt needed in future, it's just politicians playing arses " I agree. What is happening now is a great exercise in re-balancing. There isn't a company on Earth worth its salt that would ignore selling into the UK market. | |||
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"Never let it be said that remainers ignore pertinent and good news about Brexit. lmao. Never. Oh no no no lol" And leavers ignore threads like the Ireland one. Leavers leap on the good news Remainers on the good It's all v tiresome. We may not know the full picture for years | |||
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"Never let it be said that remainers ignore pertinent and good news about Brexit. lmao. Never. Oh no no no lol And leavers ignore threads like the Ireland one. Leavers leap on the good news Remainers on the good It's all v tiresome. We may not know the full picture for years " The NI Protocol thread? I seen a few Leavers on there  | |||
"Never let it be said that remainers ignore pertinent and good news about Brexit. lmao. Never. Oh no no no lol And leavers ignore threads like the Ireland one. Leavers leap on the good news Remainers on the good It's all v tiresome. We may not know the full picture for years The NI Protocol thread? I seen a few Leavers on there "I dont think anyone would disagree that it needs sorting, the problem is the "troubles" were used as a reason to cause problems and try and stop us leaving, the EU showed they don't give a monkey's about Ireland last week,the UK and Ireland need to find a solution and then tell the EU . | |||
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"Never let it be said that remainers ignore pertinent and good news about Brexit. lmao. Never. Oh no no no lol And leavers ignore threads like the Ireland one. Leavers leap on the good news Remainers on the good It's all v tiresome. We may not know the full picture for years The NI Protocol thread? I seen a few Leavers on there
I dont think anyone would disagree that it needs sorting, the problem is the "troubles" were used as a reason to cause problems and try and stop us leaving, the EU showed they don't give a monkey's about Ireland last week,the UK and Ireland need to find a solution and then tell the EU ."Exactly. And it was any Spanner that the EU could throw into it to try and fuck it over - It became a Holy Grail of 'Thou Shalt Not mess with that agreement' - and the EU were the first to try and cancel it !!! Leopard. Spots; and Told you so, come swiftly to mind. It was a despicable action on their part to be honest. | |||
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"Can I ask what brought about the recent mess in Northern Ireland in the first place requiring a protocol? A non existent border where peace had been doing very well. What could we do to fuck that up without thinking it through and making bullshit lies about no borders and no paperwork? I can’t imagine who would think playing with the peace and status quo was a good idea in the first place. Oh hang on Bullshit Boris! Boris needled something to make his Brexit different to May’s. Customs union was the one point he made but ultimately had no idea what he was talking about. . The man has brought disaster upon so much of our lives. " They have threatened to break it twice now but its still all the eu's fault apparently. We signed a deal which they are now wanting to change and still not a whiff of criticism. Its priceless. | |||
"Can I ask what brought about the recent mess in Northern Ireland in the first place requiring a protocol? A non existent border where peace had been doing very well. What could we do to fuck that up without thinking it through and making bullshit lies about no borders and no paperwork? I can’t imagine who would think playing with the peace and status quo was a good idea in the first place. Oh hang on Bullshit Boris! Boris needled something to make his Brexit different to May’s. Customs union was the one point he made but ultimately had no idea what he was talking about. . The man has brought disaster upon so much of our lives. They have threatened to break it twice now but its still all the eu's fault apparently. We signed a deal which they are now wanting to change and still not a whiff of criticism. Its priceless." This | |||
"Very easy for the UK and Ireland to sort out the north, take your army and fuck off out of Ireland, if you had done that 50 years ago 3500 lives would have been saved " Well if there is a democratic vote for unification then there will be an united Ireland, until then the majority decision isnt to leave the uk. Democracy is a bugger when you dont get your isnt it. | |||
"Very easy for the UK and Ireland to sort out the north, take your army and fuck off out of Ireland, if you had done that 50 years ago 3500 lives would have been saved " They did. In 2007. How do you get the 3,500? | |||
"Very easy for the UK and Ireland to sort out the north, take your army and fuck off out of Ireland, if you had done that 50 years ago 3500 lives would have been saved They did. In 2007. How do you get the 3,500? " Wondering that myself | |||
""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True?" History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. | |||
""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True? History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. " And in your mind, how is Brussels functioning right now, if not as a dragnet? Seems to be tearing itself apart over vaccines for a start, Ursula will probably be out shortly. | |||
"It just goes to show that businesses find ways round tape, uk firms opening offices in the EU, eu firms opening in the UK. Perhaps in a couple of years when the bitterness and stupidly dies down both sides will remove a lot of the form filling. If it wasn't needed in December it isnt needed in future, it's just politicians playing arses "  | |||
""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True? History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. And in your mind, how is Brussels functioning right now, if not as a dragnet? Seems to be tearing itself apart over vaccines for a start, Ursula will probably be out shortly. " Focusing on little victories is the choice of the deranged. Today it was reported that EU trade was down 68% in month 1 - post Brexit. Blame Covid, Blame Vaccines, Blame Ireland, Blame anyone you fucking want. The reality is that we shot ourselves in the foot in the name of Exceptionalism. It won’t end well in the longer term. The ship is now holed and whilst the bilge pumps are coping just now, in reality the writing is on the wall. The current and future world is made up of large mutually co-operating trading blocs. That was going to be the case in the 2970’s, it actually is the case now and will be more so in the future. | |||
""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True? History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. And in your mind, how is Brussels functioning right now, if not as a dragnet? Seems to be tearing itself apart over vaccines for a start, Ursula will probably be out shortly. Focusing on little victories is the choice of the deranged. Today it was reported that EU trade was down 68% in month 1 - post Brexit. Blame Covid, Blame Vaccines, Blame Ireland, Blame anyone you fucking want. The reality is that we shot ourselves in the foot in the name of Exceptionalism. It won’t end well in the longer term. The ship is now holed and whilst the bilge pumps are coping just now, in reality the writing is on the wall. The current and future world is made up of large mutually co-operating trading blocs. That was going to be the case in the 2970’s, it actually is the case now and will be more so in the future." How many of these trading blocs have Parliaments? | |||
""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True? History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. And in your mind, how is Brussels functioning right now, if not as a dragnet? Seems to be tearing itself apart over vaccines for a start, Ursula will probably be out shortly. Focusing on little victories is the choice of the deranged. Today it was reported that EU trade was down 68% in month 1 - post Brexit. Blame Covid, Blame Vaccines, Blame Ireland, Blame anyone you fucking want. The reality is that we shot ourselves in the foot in the name of Exceptionalism. It won’t end well in the longer term. The ship is now holed and whilst the bilge pumps are coping just now, in reality the writing is on the wall. The current and future world is made up of large mutually co-operating trading blocs. That was going to be the case in the 2970’s, it actually is the case now and will be more so in the future." How many of these trading blocks do you have to pay in to be a member? | |||
"Never let it be said that remainers ignore pertinent and good news about Brexit. lmao. Never. Oh no no no lol And leavers ignore threads like the Ireland one. Leavers leap on the good news Remainers on the good It's all v tiresome. We may not know the full picture for years The NI Protocol thread? I seen a few Leavers on there
I dont think anyone would disagree that it needs sorting, the problem is the "troubles" were used as a reason to cause problems and try and stop us leaving, the EU showed they don't give a monkey's about Ireland last week,the UK and Ireland need to find a solution and then tell the EU ." | |||
""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True? History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. And in your mind, how is Brussels functioning right now, if not as a dragnet? Seems to be tearing itself apart over vaccines for a start, Ursula will probably be out shortly. Focusing on little victories is the choice of the deranged. Today it was reported that EU trade was down 68% in month 1 - post Brexit. Blame Covid, Blame Vaccines, Blame Ireland, Blame anyone you fucking want. The reality is that we shot ourselves in the foot in the name of Exceptionalism. It won’t end well in the longer term. The ship is now holed and whilst the bilge pumps are coping just now, in reality the writing is on the wall. The current and future world is made up of large mutually co-operating trading blocs. That was going to be the case in the 2970’s, it actually is the case now and will be more so in the future.How many of these trading blocks do you have to pay in to be a member?" Really? Nearly five years after the referendum and probably two years before that of debate... and you still don’t understand? Quite staggering. Now we are out of the EU how do you define the costs of additional customs officers, additional DEFRA staff, additional CAA staff, additional food and animal inspectors - all now required to process the same trade as before with our nearest and biggest customer? Following a common rule book, accepting common standards and using common Agencies to regulate trade and commerce is called “economies of scale.” As for your other comment about a Parliament - it gives the EU power and leverage on the world stage. Something that was demonstrated to us recently in our withdrawal and future trade negotiations. A loose trading bloc does not carry the same negotiating power as a fully aligned trading bloc that operates common regulation and laws (for which a Parliament is needed). | |||
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"The volume of exports going through British ports to the EU fell by a staggering 68% last month compared with January last year, mostly as a result of problems caused by Brexit - Observer Now this stands out as a complete and utter fuck up. This isn’t teething problems, it is insanity." With covid I'm surprised it's not more aren't you? | |||
""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True? History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. And in your mind, how is Brussels functioning right now, if not as a dragnet? Seems to be tearing itself apart over vaccines for a start, Ursula will probably be out shortly. Focusing on little victories is the choice of the deranged. Today it was reported that EU trade was down 68% in month 1 - post Brexit. Blame Covid, Blame Vaccines, Blame Ireland, Blame anyone you fucking want. The reality is that we shot ourselves in the foot in the name of Exceptionalism. It won’t end well in the longer term. The ship is now holed and whilst the bilge pumps are coping just now, in reality the writing is on the wall. The current and future world is made up of large mutually co-operating trading blocs. That was going to be the case in the 2970’s, it actually is the case now and will be more so in the future.How many of these trading blocks do you have to pay in to be a member? Really? Nearly five years after the referendum and probably two years before that of debate... and you still don’t understand? Quite staggering. Now we are out of the EU how do you define the costs of additional customs officers, additional DEFRA staff, additional CAA staff, additional food and animal inspectors - all now required to process the same trade as before with our nearest and biggest customer? Following a common rule book, accepting common standards and using common Agencies to regulate trade and commerce is called “economies of scale.” As for your other comment about a Parliament - it gives the EU power and leverage on the world stage. Something that was demonstrated to us recently in our withdrawal and future trade negotiations. A loose trading bloc does not carry the same negotiating power as a fully aligned trading bloc that operates common regulation and laws (for which a Parliament is needed)." The TPP seems to be doing very well without a parliament and having to pay to join and until trump pulled the usa out it accounted for 40% of global trade.  | |||
""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True? History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. And in your mind, how is Brussels functioning right now, if not as a dragnet? Seems to be tearing itself apart over vaccines for a start, Ursula will probably be out shortly. Focusing on little victories is the choice of the deranged. Today it was reported that EU trade was down 68% in month 1 - post Brexit. Blame Covid, Blame Vaccines, Blame Ireland, Blame anyone you fucking want. The reality is that we shot ourselves in the foot in the name of Exceptionalism. It won’t end well in the longer term. The ship is now holed and whilst the bilge pumps are coping just now, in reality the writing is on the wall. The current and future world is made up of large mutually co-operating trading blocs. That was going to be the case in the 2970’s, it actually is the case now and will be more so in the future.How many of these trading blocks do you have to pay in to be a member? Really? Nearly five years after the referendum and probably two years before that of debate... and you still don’t understand? Quite staggering. Now we are out of the EU how do you define the costs of additional customs officers, additional DEFRA staff, additional CAA staff, additional food and animal inspectors - all now required to process the same trade as before with our nearest and biggest customer? Following a common rule book, accepting common standards and using common Agencies to regulate trade and commerce is called “economies of scale.” As for your other comment about a Parliament - it gives the EU power and leverage on the world stage. Something that was demonstrated to us recently in our withdrawal and future trade negotiations. A loose trading bloc does not carry the same negotiating power as a fully aligned trading bloc that operates common regulation and laws (for which a Parliament is needed).The TPP seems to be doing very well without a parliament and having to pay to join and until trump pulled the usa out it accounted for 40% of global trade. "
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""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True? History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. And in your mind, how is Brussels functioning right now, if not as a dragnet? Seems to be tearing itself apart over vaccines for a start, Ursula will probably be out shortly. Focusing on little victories is the choice of the deranged. Today it was reported that EU trade was down 68% in month 1 - post Brexit. Blame Covid, Blame Vaccines, Blame Ireland, Blame anyone you fucking want. The reality is that we shot ourselves in the foot in the name of Exceptionalism. It won’t end well in the longer term. The ship is now holed and whilst the bilge pumps are coping just now, in reality the writing is on the wall. The current and future world is made up of large mutually co-operating trading blocs. That was going to be the case in the 2970’s, it actually is the case now and will be more so in the future.How many of these trading blocks do you have to pay in to be a member? Really? Nearly five years after the referendum and probably two years before that of debate... and you still don’t understand? Quite staggering. Now we are out of the EU how do you define the costs of additional customs officers, additional DEFRA staff, additional CAA staff, additional food and animal inspectors - all now required to process the same trade as before with our nearest and biggest customer? Following a common rule book, accepting common standards and using common Agencies to regulate trade and commerce is called “economies of scale.” As for your other comment about a Parliament - it gives the EU power and leverage on the world stage. Something that was demonstrated to us recently in our withdrawal and future trade negotiations. A loose trading bloc does not carry the same negotiating power as a fully aligned trading bloc that operates common regulation and laws (for which a Parliament is needed)." And yet EU trade as a percentage of world trade is declining and the youngsters of Spain, Italy and others have no prospect of a decent job anytime soon. Meanwhile independent countries like Switzerland and Norway power ahead getting richer and richer. Curious isn’t it. | |||
"The volume of exports going through British ports to the EU fell by a staggering 68% last month compared with January last year, mostly as a result of problems caused by Brexit - Observer Now this stands out as a complete and utter fuck up. This isn’t teething problems, it is insanity. With covid I'm surprised it's not more aren't you? " It is shocking! Where is this oven ready, easiest deal ever? The reality is the Govt fucked up, again. | |||
".How many of these trading blocks do you have to pay in to be a member? Really? Nearly five years after the referendum and probably two years before that of debate... and you still don’t understand? Quite staggering. " Everything, every question, every lie has been fully addressed, explained and answered over the last 6 years regarding EU membership. Leavers refused to listen, they've been told that the EU is responsible for everything bad and they were either unable or unwilling to research it for themselves. Now we've all had to go down the Brexit rabbit hole I wouldn't hold your breath that leavers will start to acknowledge the facts anytime soon. We've taken 100 steps backwards yet should cheer from the rooftops when we shuffle an inch forward with the looks of this thread .  | |||
""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True? History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. And in your mind, how is Brussels functioning right now, if not as a dragnet? Seems to be tearing itself apart over vaccines for a start, Ursula will probably be out shortly. Focusing on little victories is the choice of the deranged. Today it was reported that EU trade was down 68% in month 1 - post Brexit. Blame Covid, Blame Vaccines, Blame Ireland, Blame anyone you fucking want. The reality is that we shot ourselves in the foot in the name of Exceptionalism. It won’t end well in the longer term. The ship is now holed and whilst the bilge pumps are coping just now, in reality the writing is on the wall. The current and future world is made up of large mutually co-operating trading blocs. That was going to be the case in the 2970’s, it actually is the case now and will be more so in the future.How many of these trading blocks do you have to pay in to be a member? Really? Nearly five years after the referendum and probably two years before that of debate... and you still don’t understand? Quite staggering. Now we are out of the EU how do you define the costs of additional customs officers, additional DEFRA staff, additional CAA staff, additional food and animal inspectors - all now required to process the same trade as before with our nearest and biggest customer? Following a common rule book, accepting common standards and using common Agencies to regulate trade and commerce is called “economies of scale.” As for your other comment about a Parliament - it gives the EU power and leverage on the world stage. Something that was demonstrated to us recently in our withdrawal and future trade negotiations. A loose trading bloc does not carry the same negotiating power as a fully aligned trading bloc that operates common regulation and laws (for which a Parliament is needed).The TPP seems to be doing very well without a parliament and having to pay to join and until trump pulled the usa out it accounted for 40% of global trade. "The TPP was actually abandoned and never even started, so it can’t have accounted for any trade, let alone 40% of it. The CPTPP came into effect just two years ago and it’s members have a Commission to detail common rules and standards and an agreement to deepen ties. | |||
""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True? History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. And in your mind, how is Brussels functioning right now, if not as a dragnet? Seems to be tearing itself apart over vaccines for a start, Ursula will probably be out shortly. Focusing on little victories is the choice of the deranged. Today it was reported that EU trade was down 68% in month 1 - post Brexit. Blame Covid, Blame Vaccines, Blame Ireland, Blame anyone you fucking want. The reality is that we shot ourselves in the foot in the name of Exceptionalism. It won’t end well in the longer term. The ship is now holed and whilst the bilge pumps are coping just now, in reality the writing is on the wall. The current and future world is made up of large mutually co-operating trading blocs. That was going to be the case in the 2970’s, it actually is the case now and will be more so in the future.How many of these trading blocks do you have to pay in to be a member? Really? Nearly five years after the referendum and probably two years before that of debate... and you still don’t understand? Quite staggering. Now we are out of the EU how do you define the costs of additional customs officers, additional DEFRA staff, additional CAA staff, additional food and animal inspectors - all now required to process the same trade as before with our nearest and biggest customer? Following a common rule book, accepting common standards and using common Agencies to regulate trade and commerce is called “economies of scale.” As for your other comment about a Parliament - it gives the EU power and leverage on the world stage. Something that was demonstrated to us recently in our withdrawal and future trade negotiations. A loose trading bloc does not carry the same negotiating power as a fully aligned trading bloc that operates common regulation and laws (for which a Parliament is needed).The TPP seems to be doing very well without a parliament and having to pay to join and until trump pulled the usa out it accounted for 40% of global trade.
The TPP was actually abandoned and never even started, so it can’t have accounted for any trade, let alone 40% of it.
The CPTPP came into effect just two years ago and it’s members have a Commission to detail common rules and standards and an agreement to deepen ties.
"yes it has a commission nothing like those feeloaders im brussels though. Unlike in the EU, there will be no new ‘CPTPP regulations’ developed over time. The CPTPP Commission is simply a gathering of representatives of CPTPP member states. It meets for short sessions about twice a year to discuss issues arising from the agreement, and to set procedures for the accession of new states and rules of conduct for dispute settlement. There is no ‘CPTPP Court’ equivalent to the European Court of Justice (ECJ) either: if a dispute arises between the parties, an ad-hoc arbitration panel is convened. If the panel finds that a member state has breached its obligations under the agreement, there are no fines payable (as in the ECJ). Such a state has a choice of four options: Comply with the CPTPP rules as interpreted by the panel. Compensate the offended party with a tariff concession. Compensate the offended party with a cash payment. Accept increased tariffs on its own exports to the offended party. That seems reasonable to me. | |||
""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True? History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. And in your mind, how is Brussels functioning right now, if not as a dragnet? Seems to be tearing itself apart over vaccines for a start, Ursula will probably be out shortly. Focusing on little victories is the choice of the deranged. Today it was reported that EU trade was down 68% in month 1 - post Brexit. Blame Covid, Blame Vaccines, Blame Ireland, Blame anyone you fucking want. The reality is that we shot ourselves in the foot in the name of Exceptionalism. It won’t end well in the longer term. The ship is now holed and whilst the bilge pumps are coping just now, in reality the writing is on the wall. The current and future world is made up of large mutually co-operating trading blocs. That was going to be the case in the 2970’s, it actually is the case now and will be more so in the future.How many of these trading blocks do you have to pay in to be a member? Really? Nearly five years after the referendum and probably two years before that of debate... and you still don’t understand? Quite staggering. Now we are out of the EU how do you define the costs of additional customs officers, additional DEFRA staff, additional CAA staff, additional food and animal inspectors - all now required to process the same trade as before with our nearest and biggest customer? Following a common rule book, accepting common standards and using common Agencies to regulate trade and commerce is called “economies of scale.” As for your other comment about a Parliament - it gives the EU power and leverage on the world stage. Something that was demonstrated to us recently in our withdrawal and future trade negotiations. A loose trading bloc does not carry the same negotiating power as a fully aligned trading bloc that operates common regulation and laws (for which a Parliament is needed).The TPP seems to be doing very well without a parliament and having to pay to join and until trump pulled the usa out it accounted for 40% of global trade.
The TPP was actually abandoned and never even started, so it can’t have accounted for any trade, let alone 40% of it.
The CPTPP came into effect just two years ago and it’s members have a Commission to detail common rules and standards and an agreement to deepen ties.
yes it has a commission nothing like those feeloaders im brussels though.
Unlike in the EU, there will be no new ‘CPTPP regulations’ developed over time. The CPTPP Commission is simply a gathering of representatives of CPTPP member states. It meets for short sessions about twice a year to discuss issues arising from the agreement, and to set procedures for the accession of new states and rules of conduct for dispute settlement.
There is no ‘CPTPP Court’ equivalent to the European Court of Justice (ECJ) either: if a dispute arises between the parties, an ad-hoc arbitration panel is convened. If the panel finds that a member state has breached its obligations under the agreement, there are no fines payable (as in the ECJ). Such a state has a choice of four options:
Comply with the CPTPP rules as interpreted by the panel.
Compensate the offended party with a tariff concession.
Compensate the offended party with a cash payment.
Accept increased tariffs on its own exports to the offended party.
That seems reasonable to me. "While a member of CPTPP can you make your own trade deals outside the bloc or have to wait? | |||
""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True? History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. And in your mind, how is Brussels functioning right now, if not as a dragnet? Seems to be tearing itself apart over vaccines for a start, Ursula will probably be out shortly. Focusing on little victories is the choice of the deranged. Today it was reported that EU trade was down 68% in month 1 - post Brexit. Blame Covid, Blame Vaccines, Blame Ireland, Blame anyone you fucking want. The reality is that we shot ourselves in the foot in the name of Exceptionalism. It won’t end well in the longer term. The ship is now holed and whilst the bilge pumps are coping just now, in reality the writing is on the wall. The current and future world is made up of large mutually co-operating trading blocs. That was going to be the case in the 2970’s, it actually is the case now and will be more so in the future.How many of these trading blocks do you have to pay in to be a member? Really? Nearly five years after the referendum and probably two years before that of debate... and you still don’t understand? Quite staggering. Now we are out of the EU how do you define the costs of additional customs officers, additional DEFRA staff, additional CAA staff, additional food and animal inspectors - all now required to process the same trade as before with our nearest and biggest customer? Following a common rule book, accepting common standards and using common Agencies to regulate trade and commerce is called “economies of scale.” As for your other comment about a Parliament - it gives the EU power and leverage on the world stage. Something that was demonstrated to us recently in our withdrawal and future trade negotiations. A loose trading bloc does not carry the same negotiating power as a fully aligned trading bloc that operates common regulation and laws (for which a Parliament is needed).The TPP seems to be doing very well without a parliament and having to pay to join and until trump pulled the usa out it accounted for 40% of global trade.
The TPP was actually abandoned and never even started, so it can’t have accounted for any trade, let alone 40% of it.
The CPTPP came into effect just two years ago and it’s members have a Commission to detail common rules and standards and an agreement to deepen ties.
yes it has a commission nothing like those feeloaders im brussels though.
Unlike in the EU, there will be no new ‘CPTPP regulations’ developed over time. The CPTPP Commission is simply a gathering of representatives of CPTPP member states. It meets for short sessions about twice a year to discuss issues arising from the agreement, and to set procedures for the accession of new states and rules of conduct for dispute settlement.
There is no ‘CPTPP Court’ equivalent to the European Court of Justice (ECJ) either: if a dispute arises between the parties, an ad-hoc arbitration panel is convened. If the panel finds that a member state has breached its obligations under the agreement, there are no fines payable (as in the ECJ). Such a state has a choice of four options:
Comply with the CPTPP rules as interpreted by the panel.
Compensate the offended party with a tariff concession.
Compensate the offended party with a cash payment.
Accept increased tariffs on its own exports to the offended party.
That seems reasonable to me.
While a member of CPTPP can you make your own trade deals outside the bloc or have to wait?"Why are looking to sing up to another trading bloc, I thought we wanted to make bespoke trade deals with other countries. Have you seen the countries that are in the CPTPP | |||
""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True? History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. And in your mind, how is Brussels functioning right now, if not as a dragnet? Seems to be tearing itself apart over vaccines for a start, Ursula will probably be out shortly. Focusing on little victories is the choice of the deranged. Today it was reported that EU trade was down 68% in month 1 - post Brexit. Blame Covid, Blame Vaccines, Blame Ireland, Blame anyone you fucking want. The reality is that we shot ourselves in the foot in the name of Exceptionalism. It won’t end well in the longer term. The ship is now holed and whilst the bilge pumps are coping just now, in reality the writing is on the wall. The current and future world is made up of large mutually co-operating trading blocs. That was going to be the case in the 2970’s, it actually is the case now and will be more so in the future.How many of these trading blocks do you have to pay in to be a member? Really? Nearly five years after the referendum and probably two years before that of debate... and you still don’t understand? Quite staggering. Now we are out of the EU how do you define the costs of additional customs officers, additional DEFRA staff, additional CAA staff, additional food and animal inspectors - all now required to process the same trade as before with our nearest and biggest customer? Following a common rule book, accepting common standards and using common Agencies to regulate trade and commerce is called “economies of scale.” As for your other comment about a Parliament - it gives the EU power and leverage on the world stage. Something that was demonstrated to us recently in our withdrawal and future trade negotiations. A loose trading bloc does not carry the same negotiating power as a fully aligned trading bloc that operates common regulation and laws (for which a Parliament is needed).The TPP seems to be doing very well without a parliament and having to pay to join and until trump pulled the usa out it accounted for 40% of global trade.
The TPP was actually abandoned and never even started, so it can’t have accounted for any trade, let alone 40% of it.
The CPTPP came into effect just two years ago and it’s members have a Commission to detail common rules and standards and an agreement to deepen ties.
yes it has a commission nothing like those feeloaders im brussels though.
Unlike in the EU, there will be no new ‘CPTPP regulations’ developed over time. The CPTPP Commission is simply a gathering of representatives of CPTPP member states. It meets for short sessions about twice a year to discuss issues arising from the agreement, and to set procedures for the accession of new states and rules of conduct for dispute settlement.
There is no ‘CPTPP Court’ equivalent to the European Court of Justice (ECJ) either: if a dispute arises between the parties, an ad-hoc arbitration panel is convened. If the panel finds that a member state has breached its obligations under the agreement, there are no fines payable (as in the ECJ). Such a state has a choice of four options:
Comply with the CPTPP rules as interpreted by the panel.
Compensate the offended party with a tariff concession.
Compensate the offended party with a cash payment.
Accept increased tariffs on its own exports to the offended party.
That seems reasonable to me.
While a member of CPTPP can you make your own trade deals outside the bloc or have to wait?
Why are looking to sing up to another trading bloc, I thought we wanted to make bespoke trade deals with other countries. Have you seen the countries that are in the CPTPP "I posted a question specifically about members ability to make their own trade deals while members or not as the case may be | |||
""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True? History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. And in your mind, how is Brussels functioning right now, if not as a dragnet? Seems to be tearing itself apart over vaccines for a start, Ursula will probably be out shortly. Focusing on little victories is the choice of the deranged. Today it was reported that EU trade was down 68% in month 1 - post Brexit. Blame Covid, Blame Vaccines, Blame Ireland, Blame anyone you fucking want. The reality is that we shot ourselves in the foot in the name of Exceptionalism. It won’t end well in the longer term. The ship is now holed and whilst the bilge pumps are coping just now, in reality the writing is on the wall. The current and future world is made up of large mutually co-operating trading blocs. That was going to be the case in the 2970’s, it actually is the case now and will be more so in the future.How many of these trading blocks do you have to pay in to be a member? Really? Nearly five years after the referendum and probably two years before that of debate... and you still don’t understand? Quite staggering. Now we are out of the EU how do you define the costs of additional customs officers, additional DEFRA staff, additional CAA staff, additional food and animal inspectors - all now required to process the same trade as before with our nearest and biggest customer? Following a common rule book, accepting common standards and using common Agencies to regulate trade and commerce is called “economies of scale.” As for your other comment about a Parliament - it gives the EU power and leverage on the world stage. Something that was demonstrated to us recently in our withdrawal and future trade negotiations. A loose trading bloc does not carry the same negotiating power as a fully aligned trading bloc that operates common regulation and laws (for which a Parliament is needed).The TPP seems to be doing very well without a parliament and having to pay to join and until trump pulled the usa out it accounted for 40% of global trade.
The TPP was actually abandoned and never even started, so it can’t have accounted for any trade, let alone 40% of it.
The CPTPP came into effect just two years ago and it’s members have a Commission to detail common rules and standards and an agreement to deepen ties.
yes it has a commission nothing like those feeloaders im brussels though.
Unlike in the EU, there will be no new ‘CPTPP regulations’ developed over time. The CPTPP Commission is simply a gathering of representatives of CPTPP member states. It meets for short sessions about twice a year to discuss issues arising from the agreement, and to set procedures for the accession of new states and rules of conduct for dispute settlement.
There is no ‘CPTPP Court’ equivalent to the European Court of Justice (ECJ) either: if a dispute arises between the parties, an ad-hoc arbitration panel is convened. If the panel finds that a member state has breached its obligations under the agreement, there are no fines payable (as in the ECJ). Such a state has a choice of four options:
Comply with the CPTPP rules as interpreted by the panel.
Compensate the offended party with a tariff concession.
Compensate the offended party with a cash payment.
Accept increased tariffs on its own exports to the offended party.
That seems reasonable to me.
While a member of CPTPP can you make your own trade deals outside the bloc or have to wait?
Why are looking to sing up to another trading bloc, I thought we wanted to make bespoke trade deals with other countries. Have you seen the countries that are in the CPTPP
I posted a question specifically about members ability to make their own trade deals while members or not as the case may be"I am not sure, we already have rollover trade deals with 7 of the nations in the CPTPP and are in talks with NZ & Australia, that only leaves Malaysia and Brunei so it’s hardly a massive deal. | |||
""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True? History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. And in your mind, how is Brussels functioning right now, if not as a dragnet? Seems to be tearing itself apart over vaccines for a start, Ursula will probably be out shortly. Focusing on little victories is the choice of the deranged. Today it was reported that EU trade was down 68% in month 1 - post Brexit. Blame Covid, Blame Vaccines, Blame Ireland, Blame anyone you fucking want. The reality is that we shot ourselves in the foot in the name of Exceptionalism. It won’t end well in the longer term. The ship is now holed and whilst the bilge pumps are coping just now, in reality the writing is on the wall. The current and future world is made up of large mutually co-operating trading blocs. That was going to be the case in the 2970’s, it actually is the case now and will be more so in the future.How many of these trading blocks do you have to pay in to be a member? Really? Nearly five years after the referendum and probably two years before that of debate... and you still don’t understand? Quite staggering. Now we are out of the EU how do you define the costs of additional customs officers, additional DEFRA staff, additional CAA staff, additional food and animal inspectors - all now required to process the same trade as before with our nearest and biggest customer? Following a common rule book, accepting common standards and using common Agencies to regulate trade and commerce is called “economies of scale.” As for your other comment about a Parliament - it gives the EU power and leverage on the world stage. Something that was demonstrated to us recently in our withdrawal and future trade negotiations. A loose trading bloc does not carry the same negotiating power as a fully aligned trading bloc that operates common regulation and laws (for which a Parliament is needed).The TPP seems to be doing very well without a parliament and having to pay to join and until trump pulled the usa out it accounted for 40% of global trade.
The TPP was actually abandoned and never even started, so it can’t have accounted for any trade, let alone 40% of it.
The CPTPP came into effect just two years ago and it’s members have a Commission to detail common rules and standards and an agreement to deepen ties.
yes it has a commission nothing like those feeloaders im brussels though.
Unlike in the EU, there will be no new ‘CPTPP regulations’ developed over time. The CPTPP Commission is simply a gathering of representatives of CPTPP member states. It meets for short sessions about twice a year to discuss issues arising from the agreement, and to set procedures for the accession of new states and rules of conduct for dispute settlement.
There is no ‘CPTPP Court’ equivalent to the European Court of Justice (ECJ) either: if a dispute arises between the parties, an ad-hoc arbitration panel is convened. If the panel finds that a member state has breached its obligations under the agreement, there are no fines payable (as in the ECJ). Such a state has a choice of four options:
Comply with the CPTPP rules as interpreted by the panel.
Compensate the offended party with a tariff concession.
Compensate the offended party with a cash payment.
Accept increased tariffs on its own exports to the offended party.
That seems reasonable to me.
While a member of CPTPP can you make your own trade deals outside the bloc or have to wait?
Why are looking to sing up to another trading bloc, I thought we wanted to make bespoke trade deals with other countries. Have you seen the countries that are in the CPTPP
I posted a question specifically about members ability to make their own trade deals while members or not as the case may be
I am not sure, we already have rollover trade deals with 7 of the nations in the CPTPP and are in talks with NZ & Australia, that only leaves Malaysia and Brunei so it’s hardly a massive deal. "I am not entirely sure as I haven't looked into it but surely joining CPTPP would give us a better deal than we have with those rollovers | |||
" I posted a question specifically about members ability to make their own trade deals while members or not as the case may be" If you read through the Canadian agreement it implies that they can as it uses the word expanding into other markets often (these markets are not part of the current agreement). It also says often that it should not be anticompetitive - which to me sounds like members are not able to shut out other opportunities to trade inbound or outbound. | |||
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""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True? History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. And in your mind, how is Brussels functioning right now, if not as a dragnet? Seems to be tearing itself apart over vaccines for a start, Ursula will probably be out shortly. Focusing on little victories is the choice of the deranged. Today it was reported that EU trade was down 68% in month 1 - post Brexit. Blame Covid, Blame Vaccines, Blame Ireland, Blame anyone you fucking want. The reality is that we shot ourselves in the foot in the name of Exceptionalism. It won’t end well in the longer term. The ship is now holed and whilst the bilge pumps are coping just now, in reality the writing is on the wall. The current and future world is made up of large mutually co-operating trading blocs. That was going to be the case in the 2970’s, it actually is the case now and will be more so in the future.How many of these trading blocks do you have to pay in to be a member? Really? Nearly five years after the referendum and probably two years before that of debate... and you still don’t understand? Quite staggering. Now we are out of the EU how do you define the costs of additional customs officers, additional DEFRA staff, additional CAA staff, additional food and animal inspectors - all now required to process the same trade as before with our nearest and biggest customer? Following a common rule book, accepting common standards and using common Agencies to regulate trade and commerce is called “economies of scale.” As for your other comment about a Parliament - it gives the EU power and leverage on the world stage. Something that was demonstrated to us recently in our withdrawal and future trade negotiations. A loose trading bloc does not carry the same negotiating power as a fully aligned trading bloc that operates common regulation and laws (for which a Parliament is needed).The TPP seems to be doing very well without a parliament and having to pay to join and until trump pulled the usa out it accounted for 40% of global trade.
The TPP was actually abandoned and never even started, so it can’t have accounted for any trade, let alone 40% of it.
The CPTPP came into effect just two years ago and it’s members have a Commission to detail common rules and standards and an agreement to deepen ties.
yes it has a commission nothing like those feeloaders im brussels though.
Unlike in the EU, there will be no new ‘CPTPP regulations’ developed over time. The CPTPP Commission is simply a gathering of representatives of CPTPP member states. It meets for short sessions about twice a year to discuss issues arising from the agreement, and to set procedures for the accession of new states and rules of conduct for dispute settlement.
There is no ‘CPTPP Court’ equivalent to the European Court of Justice (ECJ) either: if a dispute arises between the parties, an ad-hoc arbitration panel is convened. If the panel finds that a member state has breached its obligations under the agreement, there are no fines payable (as in the ECJ). Such a state has a choice of four options:
Comply with the CPTPP rules as interpreted by the panel.
Compensate the offended party with a tariff concession.
Compensate the offended party with a cash payment.
Accept increased tariffs on its own exports to the offended party.
That seems reasonable to me.
While a member of CPTPP can you make your own trade deals outside the bloc or have to wait?
Why are looking to sing up to another trading bloc, I thought we wanted to make bespoke trade deals with other countries. Have you seen the countries that are in the CPTPP
I posted a question specifically about members ability to make their own trade deals while members or not as the case may be
I am not sure, we already have rollover trade deals with 7 of the nations in the CPTPP and are in talks with NZ & Australia, that only leaves Malaysia and Brunei so it’s hardly a massive deal. "I should have explained better. I mean doing trade deals with other countries that are not part of the CTPP. As an example can a county join the bloc and later do a deal with India for instance | |||
""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True? History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. And in your mind, how is Brussels functioning right now, if not as a dragnet? Seems to be tearing itself apart over vaccines for a start, Ursula will probably be out shortly. Focusing on little victories is the choice of the deranged. Today it was reported that EU trade was down 68% in month 1 - post Brexit. Blame Covid, Blame Vaccines, Blame Ireland, Blame anyone you fucking want. The reality is that we shot ourselves in the foot in the name of Exceptionalism. It won’t end well in the longer term. The ship is now holed and whilst the bilge pumps are coping just now, in reality the writing is on the wall. The current and future world is made up of large mutually co-operating trading blocs. That was going to be the case in the 2970’s, it actually is the case now and will be more so in the future.How many of these trading blocks do you have to pay in to be a member? Really? Nearly five years after the referendum and probably two years before that of debate... and you still don’t understand? Quite staggering. Now we are out of the EU how do you define the costs of additional customs officers, additional DEFRA staff, additional CAA staff, additional food and animal inspectors - all now required to process the same trade as before with our nearest and biggest customer? Following a common rule book, accepting common standards and using common Agencies to regulate trade and commerce is called “economies of scale.” As for your other comment about a Parliament - it gives the EU power and leverage on the world stage. Something that was demonstrated to us recently in our withdrawal and future trade negotiations. A loose trading bloc does not carry the same negotiating power as a fully aligned trading bloc that operates common regulation and laws (for which a Parliament is needed).The TPP seems to be doing very well without a parliament and having to pay to join and until trump pulled the usa out it accounted for 40% of global trade.
The TPP was actually abandoned and never even started, so it can’t have accounted for any trade, let alone 40% of it.
The CPTPP came into effect just two years ago and it’s members have a Commission to detail common rules and standards and an agreement to deepen ties.
yes it has a commission nothing like those feeloaders im brussels though.
Unlike in the EU, there will be no new ‘CPTPP regulations’ developed over time. The CPTPP Commission is simply a gathering of representatives of CPTPP member states. It meets for short sessions about twice a year to discuss issues arising from the agreement, and to set procedures for the accession of new states and rules of conduct for dispute settlement.
There is no ‘CPTPP Court’ equivalent to the European Court of Justice (ECJ) either: if a dispute arises between the parties, an ad-hoc arbitration panel is convened. If the panel finds that a member state has breached its obligations under the agreement, there are no fines payable (as in the ECJ). Such a state has a choice of four options:
Comply with the CPTPP rules as interpreted by the panel.
Compensate the offended party with a tariff concession.
Compensate the offended party with a cash payment.
Accept increased tariffs on its own exports to the offended party.
That seems reasonable to me.
While a member of CPTPP can you make your own trade deals outside the bloc or have to wait?
Why are looking to sing up to another trading bloc, I thought we wanted to make bespoke trade deals with other countries. Have you seen the countries that are in the CPTPP
I posted a question specifically about members ability to make their own trade deals while members or not as the case may be
I am not sure, we already have rollover trade deals with 7 of the nations in the CPTPP and are in talks with NZ & Australia, that only leaves Malaysia and Brunei so it’s hardly a massive deal.
I am not entirely sure as I haven't looked into it but surely joining CPTPP would give us a better deal than we have with those rollovers"I am not sure either, | |||
""More than 1,400 EU-based firms have applied for permission to operate in the UK after Brexit, with over 1,000 of these planning to establish their first UK office. The figures, revealed in a Freedom of Information request, are seen as evidence that the UK will continue to be a leading player on the global financial stage after Britain leaves the EU" Could this be True? History can be problematic, particularly when you choose to ignore it. The reasons that that the U.K. joined the EEC when it did are more relevant today, than they were in the 1970’s. There will be reasons to celebrate and there will be moments of clarity - unfortunately the isolation of the United Kingdom will ultimately be the dragnet that will make everything need to be changed again in years to come. Exceptionalism, pride and patriotism is great - but ultimately the worldwide economy will dictate what we actually end up doing when our economy and our own tax take cannot be reconciled because of ideological decision making. And in your mind, how is Brussels functioning right now, if not as a dragnet? Seems to be tearing itself apart over vaccines for a start, Ursula will probably be out shortly. Focusing on little victories is the choice of the deranged. Today it was reported that EU trade was down 68% in month 1 - post Brexit. Blame Covid, Blame Vaccines, Blame Ireland, Blame anyone you fucking want. The reality is that we shot ourselves in the foot in the name of Exceptionalism. It won’t end well in the longer term. The ship is now holed and whilst the bilge pumps are coping just now, in reality the writing is on the wall. The current and future world is made up of large mutually co-operating trading blocs. That was going to be the case in the 2970’s, it actually is the case now and will be more so in the future.How many of these trading blocks do you have to pay in to be a member? Really? Nearly five years after the referendum and probably two years before that of debate... and you still don’t understand? Quite staggering. Now we are out of the EU how do you define the costs of additional customs officers, additional DEFRA staff, additional CAA staff, additional food and animal inspectors - all now required to process the same trade as before with our nearest and biggest customer? Following a common rule book, accepting common standards and using common Agencies to regulate trade and commerce is called “economies of scale.” As for your other comment about a Parliament - it gives the EU power and leverage on the world stage. Something that was demonstrated to us recently in our withdrawal and future trade negotiations. A loose trading bloc does not carry the same negotiating power as a fully aligned trading bloc that operates common regulation and laws (for which a Parliament is needed).The TPP seems to be doing very well without a parliament and having to pay to join and until trump pulled the usa out it accounted for 40% of global trade.
The TPP was actually abandoned and never even started, so it can’t have accounted for any trade, let alone 40% of it.
The CPTPP came into effect just two years ago and it’s members have a Commission to detail common rules and standards and an agreement to deepen ties.
yes it has a commission nothing like those feeloaders im brussels though.
Unlike in the EU, there will be no new ‘CPTPP regulations’ developed over time. The CPTPP Commission is simply a gathering of representatives of CPTPP member states. It meets for short sessions about twice a year to discuss issues arising from the agreement, and to set procedures for the accession of new states and rules of conduct for dispute settlement.
There is no ‘CPTPP Court’ equivalent to the European Court of Justice (ECJ) either: if a dispute arises between the parties, an ad-hoc arbitration panel is convened. If the panel finds that a member state has breached its obligations under the agreement, there are no fines payable (as in the ECJ). Such a state has a choice of four options:
Comply with the CPTPP rules as interpreted by the panel.
Compensate the offended party with a tariff concession.
Compensate the offended party with a cash payment.
Accept increased tariffs on its own exports to the offended party.
That seems reasonable to me.
While a member of CPTPP can you make your own trade deals outside the bloc or have to wait?
Why are looking to sing up to another trading bloc, I thought we wanted to make bespoke trade deals with other countries. Have you seen the countries that are in the CPTPP
I posted a question specifically about members ability to make their own trade deals while members or not as the case may be
I am not sure, we already have rollover trade deals with 7 of the nations in the CPTPP and are in talks with NZ & Australia, that only leaves Malaysia and Brunei so it’s hardly a massive deal.
I should have explained better. I mean doing trade deals with other countries that are not part of the CTPP. As an example can a county join the bloc and later do a deal with India for instance"Yes they can, | |||
