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"Dont have to be nostradamus too see where this is going." I'd like to know your thoughts Lionel. Why post if you have nothing of value to add? | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. " That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? | |||
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"So this stems from another thread that has closed. Does being racist automatically make you right wing? Does being against racism automatically make you left wing? I'd like to here your thoughts on this " Raciim is generally the hallmark of the far right wing. The more centre right of politics is freedom of speech, individuality, the power of capitalism, smaller government and regulation power. The hallmark of the left wing is actually big government, group identity, revolutionised thought against capitalism, compassion but only for those who fit a certain set of characteristics. | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?" I partly agree however I would say politically speaking racists would be much more at home on the right. I would say a much smaller fraction on the left. | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?" It's because the political spectrum has flipped somehow, nazis (racism) were pro big government and group identity, which is similar to today's left wing, and the anarchists, no government, individual sovereignty were right wing. I'm not sure where the swap happened. | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I partly agree however I would say politically speaking racists would be much more at home on the right. I would say a much smaller fraction on the left. " Not in China  | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore." This is something I posted on the other thread, so many people of colour get seriously vile abuse from the supposed more tolerant side of society if they don't fit directly in the categories that the left defines. | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore." Did you report this racism ? | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. This is something I posted on the other thread, so many people of colour get seriously vile abuse from the supposed more tolerant side of society if they don't fit directly in the categories that the left defines. " And how does the left ‘define’ a person of colour? | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. This is something I posted on the other thread, so many people of colour get seriously vile abuse from the supposed more tolerant side of society if they don't fit directly in the categories that the left defines. And how does the left ‘define’ a person of colour? " As someone that agrees that racism is interwoven into every institution and that agrees all those institutions need to be destroyed and rebuilt with people of colour leading them to eradicate racism. Unfortunately though, its misguided, using the US as an example, many large cities are run almost entirely by people of colour and things have not improved for anyone, in fact in many places have gotten far worse. | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. This is something I posted on the other thread, so many people of colour get seriously vile abuse from the supposed more tolerant side of society if they don't fit directly in the categories that the left defines. And how does the left ‘define’ a person of colour? As someone that agrees that racism is interwoven into every institution and that agrees all those institutions need to be destroyed and rebuilt with people of colour leading them to eradicate racism. Unfortunately though, its misguided, using the US as an example, many large cities are run almost entirely by people of colour and things have not improved for anyone, in fact in many places have gotten far worse. " Why do you keep referencing the US? There racism problems are far worse and different to ours? We live in the UK , not America | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. This is something I posted on the other thread, so many people of colour get seriously vile abuse from the supposed more tolerant side of society if they don't fit directly in the categories that the left defines. And how does the left ‘define’ a person of colour? As someone that agrees that racism is interwoven into every institution and that agrees all those institutions need to be destroyed and rebuilt with people of colour leading them to eradicate racism. Unfortunately though, its misguided, using the US as an example, many large cities are run almost entirely by people of colour and things have not improved for anyone, in fact in many places have gotten far worse. Why do you keep referencing the US? There racism problems are far worse and different to ours? We live in the UK , not America " Because its a good example, you asked a question, I answered. Why do you not provide anything of substance to discussions? Answering questions with questions is a sign that you have no answers. | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. This is something I posted on the other thread, so many people of colour get seriously vile abuse from the supposed more tolerant side of society if they don't fit directly in the categories that the left defines. And how does the left ‘define’ a person of colour? As someone that agrees that racism is interwoven into every institution and that agrees all those institutions need to be destroyed and rebuilt with people of colour leading them to eradicate racism. Unfortunately though, its misguided, using the US as an example, many large cities are run almost entirely by people of colour and things have not improved for anyone, in fact in many places have gotten far worse. Why do you keep referencing the US? There racism problems are far worse and different to ours? We live in the UK , not America Because its a good example, you asked a question, I answered. Why do you not provide anything of substance to discussions? Answering questions with questions is a sign that you have no answers. " I am not interested in what happens in America, their versions of left and right wing are for more proactive and violent than those in the UK. You said that the left wing ‘define ‘ how a person of colour should behave, impersonally think that it a ridiculous statement. Do the right wing also have a different ‘definition’ of how a person of colour behaves? | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. This is something I posted on the other thread, so many people of colour get seriously vile abuse from the supposed more tolerant side of society if they don't fit directly in the categories that the left defines. And how does the left ‘define’ a person of colour? As someone that agrees that racism is interwoven into every institution and that agrees all those institutions need to be destroyed and rebuilt with people of colour leading them to eradicate racism. Unfortunately though, its misguided, using the US as an example, many large cities are run almost entirely by people of colour and things have not improved for anyone, in fact in many places have gotten far worse. Why do you keep referencing the US? There racism problems are far worse and different to ours? We live in the UK , not America Because its a good example, you asked a question, I answered. Why do you not provide anything of substance to discussions? Answering questions with questions is a sign that you have no answers. I am not interested in what happens in America, their versions of left and right wing are for more proactive and violent than those in the UK. You said that the left wing ‘define ‘ how a person of colour should behave, impersonally think that it a ridiculous statement. Do the right wing also have a different ‘definition’ of how a person of colour behaves? " I personally think,  | |||
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"So this stems from another thread that has closed. Does being racist automatically make you right wing? Does being against racism automatically make you left wing? I'd like to here your thoughts on this " The right wing element on here constantly suggest that any non-racists are "loony lefties" or "radical far left". I find myself pointing this out on a weekly basis. Not all non-racists are left wing. It's the default position for most humans. | |||
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"If your a victim of racism I'm not sure whether its left or right wing is going to be your biggest concern. It's vile whoever is doing it" Exactly, a racist is not a left wing or right wing racist, they are a racist | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided?" I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics." And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull" Link? | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull Link?" FFS | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull" Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage. | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull Link? FFS "What? I haven't seen it. | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull" Does the guardian have an overwhelmingly racist, anti immigrant agenda? I'm assuming it doesn't. It's certainly a shit news paper. And does this single example somehow indicate that the use of racism is as ubiquitous in the centre, or left as it is on the right wing? Plus I'm not sure your a good source in this debate. Having stated before that you'd rather be racist than support footballs involved with "no room for racism". So your assertion that the Guardian printed a racist cartoon, would leave me wondering, do you now think that the Guardian is a paper worth reading. | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage. " It was offensive and was rightly condemned , | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull Link?" Please? | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage. It was offensive and was rightly condemned , " Shame they refused to remove it. | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage. It was offensive and was rightly condemned , " Yeah just reading about it. Toby young is defending it so that's my mind up. | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage. It was offensive and was rightly condemned , Shame they refused to remove it. " They should have done, | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. This is something I posted on the other thread, so many people of colour get seriously vile abuse from the supposed more tolerant side of society if they don't fit directly in the categories that the left defines. And how does the left ‘define’ a person of colour? As someone that agrees that racism is interwoven into every institution and that agrees all those institutions need to be destroyed and rebuilt with people of colour leading them to eradicate racism. Unfortunately though, its misguided, using the US as an example, many large cities are run almost entirely by people of colour and things have not improved for anyone, in fact in many places have gotten far worse. Why do you keep referencing the US? There racism problems are far worse and different to ours? We live in the UK , not America Because its a good example, you asked a question, I answered. Why do you not provide anything of substance to discussions? Answering questions with questions is a sign that you have no answers. I am not interested in what happens in America, their versions of left and right wing are for more proactive and violent than those in the UK. You said that the left wing ‘define ‘ how a person of colour should behave, impersonally think that it a ridiculous statement. Do the right wing also have a different ‘definition’ of how a person of colour behaves? " Someone on this thread has given you lived experience of exactly what I'm saying, so is their lived experience a ridiculous statement?? You are doing exactly what we are talking about! | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage. It was offensive and was rightly condemned , Shame they refused to remove it. " I think this exchange is a good example. One single instance of a racist cartoon in a centre left paper. Condemned across the board. Lots of examples of racism from right wing press. The response? "what about some thing else", "look over there at this other thing". | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull Does the guardian have an overwhelmingly racist, anti immigrant agenda? I'm assuming it doesn't. It's certainly a shit news paper. And does this single example somehow indicate that the use of racism is as ubiquitous in the centre, or left as it is on the right wing? Plus I'm not sure your a good source in this debate. Having stated before that you'd rather be racist than support footballs involved with "no room for racism". So your assertion that the Guardian printed a racist cartoon, would leave me wondering, do you now think that the Guardian is a paper worth reading." You have misinterpreted my words on racism and football, on purpose no doubt. And no I don't think the Guardian is worth reading. Neither do I think cartoons should be banned. I'm just pointing out left hypocrisy. And yours | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage. It was offensive and was rightly condemned , Yeah just reading about it. Toby young is defending it so that's my mind up." Ha, then again, if you want to have ‘freedom of speech’ etc and are against ‘silencing’ or ‘cancelling ‘ people then it should be allowed to stay. Many right wingers on here would be appalled to see it being removed | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage. It was offensive and was rightly condemned , Shame they refused to remove it. I think this exchange is a good example. One single instance of a racist cartoon in a centre left paper. Condemned across the board. Lots of examples of racism from right wing press. The response? "what about some thing else", "look over there at this other thing". " If this exchange would have been about a right wing cartoon I would have condemned it as well. But it’s an example of OPs point so was worth mentioning by the poster who brought it up. | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage. It was offensive and was rightly condemned , Shame they refused to remove it. I think this exchange is a good example. One single instance of a racist cartoon in a centre left paper. Condemned across the board. Lots of examples of racism from right wing press. The response? "what about some thing else", "look over there at this other thing". " Its how the dice are loaded. How many racist articles have appeared in the sun and the mail down the years. Yet 1 racist cartoon is evidence of ..they are as bad as each other. | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull Does the guardian have an overwhelmingly racist, anti immigrant agenda? I'm assuming it doesn't. It's certainly a shit news paper. And does this single example somehow indicate that the use of racism is as ubiquitous in the centre, or left as it is on the right wing? Plus I'm not sure your a good source in this debate. Having stated before that you'd rather be racist than support footballs involved with "no room for racism". So your assertion that the Guardian printed a racist cartoon, would leave me wondering, do you now think that the Guardian is a paper worth reading. You have misinterpreted my words on racism and football, on purpose no doubt. And no I don't think the Guardian is worth reading. Neither do I think cartoons should be banned. I'm just pointing out left hypocrisy. And yours" Where's my hypocrisy? I am against all forms of racism from all racists. Seems straight forward to me. | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. Did you report this racism ? " Of course, but all they do is come back on here with a different profile. I know this because one person used exactly the same phrases on two different profiles. One of those posters is on this thread, but forum rules prevent me from naming them  | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage. It was offensive and was rightly condemned , Shame they refused to remove it. I think this exchange is a good example. One single instance of a racist cartoon in a centre left paper. Condemned across the board. Lots of examples of racism from right wing press. The response? "what about some thing else", "look over there at this other thing". If this exchange would have been about a right wing cartoon I would have condemned it as well. But it’s an example of OPs point so was worth mentioning by the poster who brought it up. " The exchange started with a "what about a racist cartoon in the guardian" after my point about the right wing using racism as a tool. | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage. It was offensive and was rightly condemned , Shame they refused to remove it. I think this exchange is a good example. One single instance of a racist cartoon in a centre left paper. Condemned across the board. Lots of examples of racism from right wing press. The response? "what about some thing else", "look over there at this other thing". If this exchange would have been about a right wing cartoon I would have condemned it as well. But it’s an example of OPs point so was worth mentioning by the poster who brought it up. The exchange started with a "what about a racist cartoon in the guardian" after my point about the right wing using racism as a tool." I can’t keep track of it all. Was a valid point in my opinion considering the op. | |||
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"Someone is talking shite Link? "Here you go https://www.theguardian.com/uk | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage. It was offensive and was rightly condemned , Shame they refused to remove it. I think this exchange is a good example. One single instance of a racist cartoon in a centre left paper. Condemned across the board. Lots of examples of racism from right wing press. The response? "what about some thing else", "look over there at this other thing". If this exchange would have been about a right wing cartoon I would have condemned it as well. But it’s an example of OPs point so was worth mentioning by the poster who brought it up. The exchange started with a "what about a racist cartoon in the guardian" after my point about the right wing using racism as a tool. I can’t keep track of it all. Was a valid point in my opinion considering the op. " Definitely valid. All I'm saying is. The right wingers response to racism in right wing news papers is "what about something else". The non-right winger response to racism in a centre left news paper is universal condemnation. | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore." What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? | |||
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"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter. I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side? I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf." No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class. | |||
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Here you go https://www.theguardian.com/uk
Yep just saw it.
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"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter. I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side? I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf. No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class. " He basically killed everyone. There is no argument there to say he was a racist. | |||
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"I think it’s more complex than the word “automatically” Take left wing poster boy Che Guerva for example. Help up as a shining left wing freedom fighter with his image gracing many a wall and t shirt. Dig deeper and you find he held some pretty horrible ideals about race. And you can equally be anti racist and have right wing ideals. It’s when you get to the extremes it’s much clearer. Especially extreme Right. That's my thoughts on it. I don't see racism as a left or right thing. Are there racist on the right? Absolutely. Are there racists on the left? Absolutely. But why is it that a large percentage of people will automatically assume that a racist person is right sided? I agree with you. I think the answer to the second part is that the right wing use racism and xenophobia in their media, their propaganda etc. Where as the left doesn't. Some examples are: Farage standing in front of pictures of brown people walking through fields as part of the "control the borders" brexit propaganda. The anti immigrant rhetoric in the Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. Tommy Robinson, UKIP, BNP and the far right, which is exclusively race-hate based politics. And the Guardian portraying Patel as a bull Yeah that was pretty shameful considering her heritage. It was offensive and was rightly condemned , Shame they refused to remove it. I think this exchange is a good example. One single instance of a racist cartoon in a centre left paper. Condemned across the board. Lots of examples of racism from right wing press. The response? "what about some thing else", "look over there at this other thing". If this exchange would have been about a right wing cartoon I would have condemned it as well. But it’s an example of OPs point so was worth mentioning by the poster who brought it up. The exchange started with a "what about a racist cartoon in the guardian" after my point about the right wing using racism as a tool. I can’t keep track of it all. Was a valid point in my opinion considering the op. Definitely valid. All I'm saying is. The right wingers response to racism in right wing news papers is "what about something else". The non-right winger response to racism in a centre left news paper is universal condemnation." Exactly  | |||
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"Charles Moore from the world beating Telegraph saying that Olivia Coleman has a left wing face, does that count as racism? " Probably not Racist. But Dickish. | |||
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"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter. I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side? I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf. No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class. He basically killed everyone. There is no argument there to say he was a racist." Avoiding what I said. | |||
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"Charles Moore from the world beating Telegraph saying that Olivia Coleman has a left wing face, does that count as racism? " ‘A left wing’ face , wtf is that  | |||
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"Charles Moore from the world beating Telegraph saying that Olivia Coleman has a left wing face, does that count as racism? ‘A left wing’ face , wtf is that "Well, you ask Charles Moore. This story hardly made a splash at the time. The guy is still in post, is still doing well for himself with the Telegraph. What a crass and provocative thing to say. | |||
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"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter. I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side? I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf. No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class. He basically killed everyone. There is no argument there to say he was a racist. Avoiding what I said. " Not really. He didnt just kill groups. He killed anyone who was a threat. Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. | |||
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"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter. I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side? I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf. No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class. He basically killed everyone. There is no argument there to say he was a racist. Avoiding what I said. Not really. He didnt just kill groups. He killed anyone who was a threat. Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist." The Tatars may disagree. | |||
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"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter. I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side? I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf. No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class. He basically killed everyone. There is no argument there to say he was a racist. Avoiding what I said. Not really. He didnt just kill groups. He killed anyone who was a threat. Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. The Tatars may disagree. " Did he just kill them? | |||
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"Sorry what the OP about again?" That the left are as racist as the right. | |||
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"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter. I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side? I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf. No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class. He basically killed everyone. There is no argument there to say he was a racist. Avoiding what I said. Not really. He didnt just kill groups. He killed anyone who was a threat. Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. The Tatars may disagree. Did he just kill them?" So. To qualify as a Racist you have to kill them? | |||
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"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter. I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side? I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf. No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class. He basically killed everyone. There is no argument there to say he was a racist. Avoiding what I said. Not really. He didnt just kill groups. He killed anyone who was a threat. Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. The Tatars may disagree. Did he just kill them?" More tried to ethnically cleanse them | |||
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"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter. I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side? I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf. No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class. He basically killed everyone. There is no argument there to say he was a racist. Avoiding what I said. Not really. He didnt just kill groups. He killed anyone who was a threat. Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. The Tatars may disagree. Did he just kill them? More tried to ethnically cleanse them " Wasnt he Jewish? | |||
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"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter. I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side? I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf. No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class. He basically killed everyone. There is no argument there to say he was a racist. Avoiding what I said. Not really. He didnt just kill groups. He killed anyone who was a threat. Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. The Tatars may disagree. Did he just kill them? More tried to ethnically cleanse them Wasnt he Jewish?" Getting bizarre now Lionel. | |||
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"as would the Meskhetian Turks" Stalin killed everyone including his own people, the man was a psychopath | |||
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"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter. I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side? I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf. No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class. He basically killed everyone. There is no argument there to say he was a racist. Avoiding what I said. Not really. He didnt just kill groups. He killed anyone who was a threat. Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. The Tatars may disagree. Did he just kill them? So. To qualify as a Racist you have to kill them?" Nope but as he was brought into the debate I'm guessing his record of mass killings would be factored in? | |||
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"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter. I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side? I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf. No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class. He basically killed everyone. There is no argument there to say he was a racist. Avoiding what I said. Not really. He didnt just kill groups. He killed anyone who was a threat. Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. The Tatars may disagree. Did he just kill them? So. To qualify as a Racist you have to kill them? Nope but as he was brought into the debate I'm guessing his record of mass killings would be factored in?" When you adopt a policy of ethnic cleansing. That makes you racist in my opinion. All day long. | |||
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"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter. I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side? I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf. No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class. He basically killed everyone. There is no argument there to say he was a racist. Avoiding what I said. Not really. He didnt just kill groups. He killed anyone who was a threat. Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. The Tatars may disagree. Did he just kill them? More tried to ethnically cleanse them Wasnt he Jewish? Getting bizarre now Lionel. " No..I just remembered I read a book on him ages ago. He killed millions..he was a psychiatric mass murderer. Was he a racist.well he certainly wasnt on a par with Hitler. | |||
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"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter. I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side? I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf. No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class. He basically killed everyone. There is no argument there to say he was a racist. Avoiding what I said. Not really. He didnt just kill groups. He killed anyone who was a threat. Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. The Tatars may disagree. Did he just kill them? So. To qualify as a Racist you have to kill them? Nope but as he was brought into the debate I'm guessing his record of mass killings would be factored in? When you adopt a policy of ethnic cleansing. That makes you racist in my opinion. All day long. " Did he kill Russians? | |||
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" Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. " Let's just set this straight: Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing. | |||
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"So one side we have centirues of oppression, the holocaust and countless racist attacks And on the other a racist cartoon and someone getting cancelled on Twitter. I’m sure Stalin and Mao can be counted on the cartoon side? I'm not sure stalin discriminated by race tbf. No he discriminated by class and group identity, an ideology that has broadened in modern society to include discriminating by race, if that race is seen as part of an oppressor class. He basically killed everyone. There is no argument there to say he was a racist. Avoiding what I said. Not really. He didnt just kill groups. He killed anyone who was a threat. Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. The Tatars may disagree. Did he just kill them? More tried to ethnically cleanse them Wasnt he Jewish? Getting bizarre now Lionel. No..I just remembered I read a book on him ages ago. He killed millions..he was a psychiatric mass murderer. Was he a racist.well he certainly wasnt on a par with Hitler." Well he joined the Orthodox Church for a short while. And I’m really not sure how relevant him being Jewish or not would be? As I said bizarre turn. | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? " I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to  | |||
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" Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. Let's just set this straight: Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing. Is that all that he did? Did he kill Russians? Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did? Who else did he target?" You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was. I'm answering that. | |||
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"Stalin isn't representative of the left in Britain today. Anymore than Hitler is representative of the right. I assume most of us can agree neither were good." You would think. But someone seems intent on defending his racist policies. | |||
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" Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. Let's just set this straight: Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing. Is that all that he did? Did he kill Russians? Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did? Who else did he target? You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was. I'm answering that. " No you didn't. You named one group of people. He didnt just target them did he? He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s? | |||
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" Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. Let's just set this straight: Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing. Is that all that he did? Did he kill Russians? Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did? Who else did he target? You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was. I'm answering that. No you didn't. You named one group of people. He didnt just target them did he? He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s?" You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that. | |||
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" Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. Let's just set this straight: Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing. Is that all that he did? Did he kill Russians? Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did? Who else did he target? You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was. I'm answering that. No you didn't. You named one group of people. He didnt just target them did he? He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s? You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that. " Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans? When? | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to "Right, I think I have an idea of what is happening here .  | |||
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" Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. Let's just set this straight: Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing. Is that all that he did? Did he kill Russians? Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did? Who else did he target? You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was. I'm answering that. No you didn't. You named one group of people. He didnt just target them did he? He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s?" If I have to explain to you what a racist is and what a racist policy is then I have neither the time nor the crayons to be able to do so. Quite astonishing really. | |||
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" Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. Let's just set this straight: Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing. Is that all that he did? Did he kill Russians? Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did? Who else did he target? You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was. I'm answering that. No you didn't. You named one group of people. He didnt just target them did he? He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s? You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that. Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans? When?" Yes as many as 762.000 | |||
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" Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. Let's just set this straight: Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing. Is that all that he did? Did he kill Russians? Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did? Who else did he target? You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was. I'm answering that. No you didn't. You named one group of people. He didnt just target them did he? He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s? If I have to explain to you what a racist is and what a racist policy is then I have neither the time nor the crayons to be able to do so. Quite astonishing really." Standard A man who killed millions of his own race and countryman and put them in camps is a racist. | |||
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" Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. Let's just set this straight: Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing. Is that all that he did? Did he kill Russians? Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did? Who else did he target? You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was. I'm answering that. No you didn't. You named one group of people. He didnt just target them did he? He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s? You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that. Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans? When?" I think i understand what your saying though Aryans are not the only German people. Killing your own citizens does not detract from killing others purely due to their race. In my opinion anyway | |||
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" Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. Let's just set this straight: Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing. Is that all that he did? Did he kill Russians? Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did? Who else did he target? You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was. I'm answering that. No you didn't. You named one group of people. He didnt just target them did he? He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s? You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that. Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans? When? Yes as many as 762.000" When was this exactly? He wanted to keep the ayran race pure and considered them superman Why would he kill thousands of them? | |||
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"Stalin isn't representative of the left in Britain today. Anymore than Hitler is representative of the right. I assume most of us can agree neither were good. Yes he is, group identity politics is very prevelant in today's left" Which one, Hitler or Stalin? "Identity politics" gets applied to anyone group who has similar ideals. From being not racist to wanting to not pollute and change the climate of the planet. It's a meaningless accusation. | |||
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" Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. Let's just set this straight: Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing. Is that all that he did? Did he kill Russians? Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did? Who else did he target? You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was. I'm answering that. No you didn't. You named one group of people. He didnt just target them did he? He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s? You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that. Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans? When? I think i understand what your saying though Aryans are not the only German people. Killing your own citizens does not detract from killing others purely due to their race. In my opinion anyway" He killed germans he didnt consider pure.Jews,slavs etc..it was all done along racial lines. Stalin didn't discriminate. He certainly had no thoughts of keeping the russian race pure.He was a psychopath. | |||
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" Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. Let's just set this straight: Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing. Is that all that he did? Did he kill Russians? Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did? Who else did he target? You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was. I'm answering that. No you didn't. You named one group of people. He didnt just target them did he? He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s? You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that. Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans? When? Yes as many as 762.000 When was this exactly? He wanted to keep the ayran race pure and considered them superman Why would he kill thousands of them?" Up until the end of his rein. He slew thousands of people in oppositions against him in the SA for example. His record against his own people is equally appalling. The quasi political courts in Germany sentenced people in their hundreds to death or forced labour (which was a death sentence) daily. | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to
Right, I think I have an idea of what is happening here .
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to
Right, I think I have an idea of what is happening here .
Please elaborate.
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" Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. Let's just set this straight: Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing. Is that all that he did? Did he kill Russians? Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did? Who else did he target? You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was. I'm answering that. No you didn't. You named one group of people. He didnt just target them did he? He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s? You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that. Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans? When? I think i understand what your saying though Aryans are not the only German people. Killing your own citizens does not detract from killing others purely due to their race. In my opinion anyway He killed germans he didnt consider pure.Jews,slavs etc..it was all done along racial lines. Stalin didn't discriminate. He certainly had no thoughts of keeping the russian race pure.He was a psychopath. " As I say I understand what your saying though has to be said Hitler did not just kill people he considered non German he would kill anyone that was a threat to him regardless of how pure a German they were. Much the same as starlin. Both animals | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to
Right, I think I have an idea of what is happening here .
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I can, but I won’t . I think you can appreciate where I am coming from .
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" Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. Let's just set this straight: Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing. Is that all that he did? Did he kill Russians? Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did? Who else did he target? You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was. I'm answering that. No you didn't. You named one group of people. He didnt just target them did he? He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s? You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that. Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans? When? I think i understand what your saying though Aryans are not the only German people. Killing your own citizens does not detract from killing others purely due to their race. In my opinion anyway He killed germans he didnt consider pure.Jews,slavs etc..it was all done along racial lines. Stalin didn't discriminate. He certainly had no thoughts of keeping the russian race pure.He was a psychopath. As I say I understand what your saying though has to be said Hitler did not just kill people he considered non German he would kill anyone that was a threat to him regardless of how pure a German they were. Much the same as starlin. Both animals " I'm not defending him but to.me a racist who someone who discriminates against 1 group.of people. Hitler and jews for example Stalin just killed everyone. He put millions of his own countrymen in camps. | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to "If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument? I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point. I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m sure that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators. Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us | |||
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" Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. Let's just set this straight: Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing. Is that all that he did? Did he kill Russians? Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did? Who else did he target? You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was. I'm answering that. No you didn't. You named one group of people. He didnt just target them did he? He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s? You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that. Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans? When? I think i understand what your saying though Aryans are not the only German people. Killing your own citizens does not detract from killing others purely due to their race. In my opinion anyway He killed germans he didnt consider pure.Jews,slavs etc..it was all done along racial lines. Stalin didn't discriminate. He certainly had no thoughts of keeping the russian race pure.He was a psychopath. As I say I understand what your saying though has to be said Hitler did not just kill people he considered non German he would kill anyone that was a threat to him regardless of how pure a German they were. Much the same as starlin. Both animals I'm not defending him but to.me a racist who someone who discriminates against 1 group.of people. Hitler and jews for example Stalin just killed everyone. He put millions of his own countrymen in camps." I think it’s very binary to think along those lines. I would look for the reasons he did such things. | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to
If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?
I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.
I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.
Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us "Using my powers of deduction, someone who is commenting on this thread has historically abused him privately for not agreeing that he is a victim of institutionalised racism. For not claiming to be a victim Opression. I may be wrong, but that's what my spidery senses are telling me. | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to
If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?
I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.
I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.
Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us
Using my powers of deduction, someone who is commenting on this thread has historically abused him privately for not agreeing that he is a victim of institutionalised racism. For not claiming to be a victim Opression.
I may be wrong, but that's what my spidery senses are telling me. "My senses are telling me that if this accusation was true the person would have been removed by admin. | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to
If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?
I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.
I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.
Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us
Using my powers of deduction, someone who is commenting on this thread has historically abused him privately for not agreeing that he is a victim of institutionalised racism. For not claiming to be a victim Opression.
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to
If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?
I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.
I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.
Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us
Using my powers of deduction, someone who is commenting on this thread has historically abused him privately for not agreeing that he is a victim of institutionalised racism. For not claiming to be a victim Opression.
I may be wrong, but that's what my spidery senses are telling me.
My senses are telling me that if this accusation was true the person would have been removed by admin. "I remember the words “Uncle Tom” being used. And that person no longer posts in the forums. | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. " Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to
If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?
I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.
I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.
Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us
Using my powers of deduction, someone who is commenting on this thread has historically abused him privately for not agreeing that he is a victim of institutionalised racism. For not claiming to be a victim Opression.
I may be wrong, but that's what my spidery senses are telling me.
My senses are telling me that if this accusation was true the person would have been removed by admin. "Not necessarily. There's a lot of shit that goes unchecked on here. | |||
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"All this debate on Hitler and stalin falls into genocide catagory. It was ideology that created the genocide acts."
I'm not sure how we got side tracked to this.
It was an interesting debate. | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to
If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?
I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.
I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.
Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us
Using my powers of deduction, someone who is commenting on this thread has historically abused him privately for not agreeing that he is a victim of institutionalised racism. For not claiming to be a victim Opression.
I may be wrong, but that's what my spidery senses are telling me.
My senses are telling me that if this accusation was true the person would have been removed by admin.
I remember the words “Uncle Tom” being used. And that person no longer posts in the forums. "Then that person has rightly been banned and he accusation that he is still on here is false | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to
If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?
I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.
I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.
Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us
Using my powers of deduction, someone who is commenting on this thread has historically abused him privately for not agreeing that he is a victim of institutionalised racism. For not claiming to be a victim Opression.
I may be wrong, but that's what my spidery senses are telling me.
My senses are telling me that if this accusation was true the person would have been removed by admin.
I remember the words “Uncle Tom” being used. And that person no longer posts in the forums.
Then that person has rightly been banned and he accusation that he is still on here is false "Well he’s still on Fab. And it may not even be that case he’s referring to. | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to
If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?
I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.
I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.
Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us
Using my powers of deduction, someone who is commenting on this thread has historically abused him privately for not agreeing that he is a victim of institutionalised racism. For not claiming to be a victim Opression.
I may be wrong, but that's what my spidery senses are telling me.
My senses are telling me that if this accusation was true the person would have been removed by admin.
Not necessarily. There's a lot of shit that goes unchecked on here. "And people talk a lot of bull shit , I don’t think people should make unsubstantiated claims about others on here, if they have a grievance leave it to admin | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know " Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to
If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?
I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.
I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.
Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us
Using my powers of deduction, someone who is commenting on this thread has historically abused him privately for not agreeing that he is a victim of institutionalised racism. For not claiming to be a victim Opression.
I may be wrong, but that's what my spidery senses are telling me.
My senses are telling me that if this accusation was true the person would have been removed by admin.
I remember the words “Uncle Tom” being used. And that person no longer posts in the forums.
Then that person has rightly been banned and he accusation that he is still on here is false
Well he’s still on Fab.
And it may not even be that case he’s referring to. "Ah, my mistake, he said he was posting on this thread | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist" I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know " He created class discrimination between the less productive farmers and the more successful farmers, resulting in the less successful taking out the more successful until millions starved to death. A murderous ideology that still lives to this day, murder and violence hidden behind a pretense of compassion for the downtrodden. In this modern age there is widespread acceptance that one race of people benefits solely off the labour's of others. Its called identity politics. The poor of this group are lumped in with the successful and all are seen as oppressors. That is where the aspect of racism creeps into left sphere politics. | |||
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" Stalin was many things.. I'm not sure he was racist. Let's just set this straight: Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing. Is that all that he did? Did he kill Russians? Is that all he did? For real? Is that all he did? Who else did he target? You said you didn't think that Stalin was Racist - I just showed you he was. I'm answering that. No you didn't. You named one group of people. He didnt just target them did he? He killed all sorts of people..if he was an out and and out racist why did he kill his own countrymen in their 100,000s? You can still be a racist and do both. Hitler proved that. Hitler killed 100,000s of ayrans? When? I think i understand what your saying though Aryans are not the only German people. Killing your own citizens does not detract from killing others purely due to their race. In my opinion anyway He killed germans he didnt consider pure.Jews,slavs etc..it was all done along racial lines. Stalin didn't discriminate. He certainly had no thoughts of keeping the russian race pure.He was a psychopath. As I say I understand what your saying though has to be said Hitler did not just kill people he considered non German he would kill anyone that was a threat to him regardless of how pure a German they were. Much the same as starlin. Both animals I'm not defending him but to.me a racist who someone who discriminates against 1 group.of people. Hitler and jews for example Stalin just killed everyone. He put millions of his own countrymen in camps." Totally understand your not defending him but the examples given show both leaders killed other races because of who they were and also their own people. Both committed racist murder and both were monster's | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know He created class discrimination between the less productive farmers and the more successful farmers, resulting in the less successful taking out the more successful until millions starved to death. A murderous ideology that still lives to this day, murder and violence hidden behind a pretense of compassion for the downtrodden. In this modern age there is widespread acceptance that one race of people benefits solely off the labour's of others. Its called identity politics. The poor of this group are lumped in with the successful and all are seen as oppressors. That is where the aspect of racism creeps into left sphere politics. " Killing people of your own race is racism? | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately " He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact ! | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to
If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?
I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.
I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.
Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us
Using my powers of deduction, someone who is commenting on this thread has historically abused him privately for not agreeing that he is a victim of institutionalised racism. For not claiming to be a victim Opression.
I may be wrong, but that's what my spidery senses are telling me.
My senses are telling me that if this accusation was true the person would have been removed by admin.
Not necessarily. There's a lot of shit that goes unchecked on here.
And people talk a lot of bull shit , I don’t think people should make unsubstantiated claims about others on here, if they have a grievance leave it to admin "You have been very defensive since he first posted. And his first post was very generalised. About his lived experience about being abused for not being in line with the expectations of the left. And you are questioning it. What's your problem? | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact !" Fair enough, he was also a psychopath . I am going to open a can of worms here but that also makes Churchill a racist | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact ! Fair enough, he was also a psychopath . I am going to open a can of worms here but that also makes Churchill a racist "I think that’s a fair point and I certainly wouldn’t circle any wagons to start defending him. | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact ! Fair enough, he was also a psychopath . I am going to open a can of worms here but that also makes Churchill a racist "Why does every discussion on here have to watered down by observing that one facet of something offsets another facet of something else. It really doesn't matter one bit to observe that he killed people or in what number to the argument of whether or not he was a Racist. | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to
If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?
I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.
I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.
Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us
Using my powers of deduction, someone who is commenting on this thread has historically abused him privately for not agreeing that he is a victim of institutionalised racism. For not claiming to be a victim Opression.
I may be wrong, but that's what my spidery senses are telling me.
My senses are telling me that if this accusation was true the person would have been removed by admin.
Not necessarily. There's a lot of shit that goes unchecked on here.
And people talk a lot of bull shit , I don’t think people should make unsubstantiated claims about others on here, if they have a grievance leave it to admin
You have been very defensive since he first posted. And his first post was very generalised. About his lived experience about being abused for not being in line with the expectations of the left. And you are questioning it. What's your problem? "I don’t agree with anyone making unsubstantiated accusation against people in the forums, there is a reporting procedure in place for making complaints . His first post was general, his subsequent post accused someone on this thread of making racist comments towards him. If you don’t know the rules then I suggest you read them | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact ! Fair enough, he was also a psychopath . I am going to open a can of worms here but that also makes Churchill a racist
Why does every discussion on here have to watered down by observing that one facet of something offsets another facet of something else.
It really doesn't matter one bit to observe that he killed people or in what number to the argument of whether or not he was a Racist.
"I agree , Stalin is a racist, I am now using the same parameters to accuse Churchill of being a racist | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact ! Fair enough, he was also a psychopath . I am going to open a can of worms here but that also makes Churchill a racist
Why does every discussion on here have to watered down by observing that one facet of something offsets another facet of something else.
It really doesn't matter one bit to observe that he killed people or in what number to the argument of whether or not he was a Racist.
I agree , Stalin is a racist, I am now using the same parameters to accuse Churchill of being a racist "No problem with that. | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact ! Fair enough, he was also a psychopath . I am going to open a can of worms here but that also makes Churchill a racist "Better yet is any military action against any country rascist or is it ideological influence for the perception of the greater good. | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact ! Fair enough, he was also a psychopath . I am going to open a can of worms here but that also makes Churchill a racist
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to
If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?
I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.
I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.
Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us
Using my powers of deduction, someone who is commenting on this thread has historically abused him privately for not agreeing that he is a victim of institutionalised racism. For not claiming to be a victim Opression.
I may be wrong, but that's what my spidery senses are telling me.
My senses are telling me that if this accusation was true the person would have been removed by admin.
Not necessarily. There's a lot of shit that goes unchecked on here.
And people talk a lot of bull shit , I don’t think people should make unsubstantiated claims about others on here, if they have a grievance leave it to admin
You have been very defensive since he first posted. And his first post was very generalised. About his lived experience about being abused for not being in line with the expectations of the left. And you are questioning it. What's your problem?
I don’t agree with anyone making unsubstantiated accusation against people in the forums, there is a reporting procedure in place for making complaints . His first post was general, his subsequent post accused someone on this thread of making racist comments towards him. If you don’t know the rules then I suggest you read them "He didn't mention racism, he said that he'd been abused for not being in line with another person's view of how he should act. And he didn't name anyone so no rules broken. He should receive support for what he said in his first post, not questioning. | |||
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"Every single bit of racism I've faced on this site has come from those who have identified as left wing. Every one. It always seems to me that if your skin is brown or black but you don't conform to the leftist agenda, then you're a "traitor" to your race and therefore eligible for abuse. That's why I rarely post on the politics forum anymore. What kind of racism have you’ve experienced in this site? Can you give us some concrete examples? I can, but I won't. I have no wish to re-live some of the things that have been said to me. I have mentioned things in the past and the usual two tactics are to either question every insignificant point of what I have said or to tell me how many black friends they have who all agree with them that they're not racist. I even had one guy detail all the "anti-racism" pop concerts he had been to
If you don’t want to share it, why do you use it as an argument?
I respect your right not to tell us your story but in this case, don’t use it to make a point.
I’m a bit suspicious about the truth of all this tbh. I’m just that racist incidents here would be tackled by the moderators.
Anyway, let’s move on as this is a non story since you do not want to explain to us
Using my powers of deduction, someone who is commenting on this thread has historically abused him privately for not agreeing that he is a victim of institutionalised racism. For not claiming to be a victim Opression.
I may be wrong, but that's what my spidery senses are telling me.
My senses are telling me that if this accusation was true the person would have been removed by admin.
Not necessarily. There's a lot of shit that goes unchecked on here.
And people talk a lot of bull shit , I don’t think people should make unsubstantiated claims about others on here, if they have a grievance leave it to admin
You have been very defensive since he first posted. And his first post was very generalised. About his lived experience about being abused for not being in line with the expectations of the left. And you are questioning it. What's your problem?
I don’t agree with anyone making unsubstantiated accusation against people in the forums, there is a reporting procedure in place for making complaints . His first post was general, his subsequent post accused someone on this thread of making racist comments towards him. If you don’t know the rules then I suggest you read them "Actually he did, my mistake. | |||
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"Hubby and I served been to afghanistan and iraq. You want to see a different reality. It's astonishing. But at what point do we as a western civilization stop trying to influence other countries with our ideology on what is good and what isn't. Is it a form of racism ?" I don't think there is a point where we can, then again I also don't think it's right that certain countries are held to account for certain ways of doing things but others who have arms deals arent. | |||
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"Well this went way off topic as usual. Good to see what you all think though " These threads are always as straight forward as a maze | |||
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"Well this went way off topic as usual. Good to see what you all think though " Enjoyed it though. | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact !" No it's not a fact..its your opinion A racist targets specifically 1 group of people. Hitler with the jews for example. Sralin killed with impunity..he didnt discromate..he killed all races, all creeds,all colours. I cant be arsed arguing anyone more. I'm my opinion he was a mass murderer.He didmt see the Russians as a surpreror which is what racists generanerally do. | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact ! No it's not a fact..its your opinion A racist targets specifically 1 group of people. Hitler with the jews for example. Sralin killed with impunity..he didnt discromate..he killed all races, all creeds,all colours. I cant be arsed arguing anyone more. I'm my opinion he was a mass murderer.He didmt see the Russians as a surpreror which is what racists generanerally do." Without getting into the Stalin/Hitler debate. I do not believe all racists only target one specific group of people. Racists can target multiple groups at the same time. | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact ! No it's not a fact..its your opinion A racist targets specifically 1 group of people. Hitler with the jews for example. Sralin killed with impunity..he didnt discromate..he killed all races, all creeds,all colours. I cant be arsed arguing anyone more. I'm my opinion he was a mass murderer.He didmt see the Russians as a surpreror which is what racists generanerally do. Without getting into the Stalin/Hitler debate. I do not believe all racists only target one specific group of people. Racists can target multiple groups at the same time." Racism has multiple skin colors. | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact ! No it's not a fact..its your opinion A racist targets specifically 1 group of people. Hitler with the jews for example. Sralin killed with impunity..he didnt discromate..he killed all races, all creeds,all colours. I cant be arsed arguing anyone more. I'm my opinion he was a mass murderer.He didmt see the Russians as a surpreror which is what racists generanerally do. Without getting into the Stalin/Hitler debate. I do not believe all racists only target one specific group of people. Racists can target multiple groups at the same time." But not their own, I think that's the distinction. | |||
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"If someone has been racist on here they would have been turfed.fact. I know some of what is getting referenced and its bollocks. That's all I'm saying." I was on fab 4-5 years ago and racism was rampant. I'm glad to see it's not like that anymore. | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact ! No it's not a fact..its your opinion A racist targets specifically 1 group of people. Hitler with the jews for example. Sralin killed with impunity..he didnt discromate..he killed all races, all creeds,all colours. I cant be arsed arguing anyone more. I'm my opinion he was a mass murderer.He didmt see the Russians as a surpreror which is what racists generanerally do. Without getting into the Stalin/Hitler debate. I do not believe all racists only target one specific group of people. Racists can target multiple groups at the same time. But not their own, I think that's the distinction." Well Stalin was Georgian for a start. | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact ! No it's not a fact..its your opinion A racist targets specifically 1 group of people. Hitler with the jews for example. Sralin killed with impunity..he didnt discromate..he killed all races, all creeds,all colours. I cant be arsed arguing anyone more. I'm my opinion he was a mass murderer.He didmt see the Russians as a surpreror which is what racists generanerally do. Without getting into the Stalin/Hitler debate. I do not believe all racists only target one specific group of people. Racists can target multiple groups at the same time." But a racist will discriminate against people who are different to them. Ie a white person may discriminate against black people as they see black people as inferior. Sralin certainly didnt see russoans as ethnically superior,therefore the argument that he was racist,it at least in the same vein as hitker,Is flawed. | |||
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"If your a victim of racism I'm not sure whether its left or right wing is going to be your biggest concern. It's vile whoever is doing it Exactly, a racist is not a left wing or right wing racist, they are a racist " this is the best post on the subject enough said | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact ! No it's not a fact..its your opinion A racist targets specifically 1 group of people. Hitler with the jews for example. Sralin killed with impunity..he didnt discromate..he killed all races, all creeds,all colours. I cant be arsed arguing anyone more. I'm my opinion he was a mass murderer.He didmt see the Russians as a surpreror which is what racists generanerally do. Without getting into the Stalin/Hitler debate. I do not believe all racists only target one specific group of people. Racists can target multiple groups at the same time. But a racist will discriminate against people who are different to them. Ie a white person may discriminate against black people as they see black people as inferior. Sralin certainly didnt see russoans as ethnically superior,therefore the argument that he was racist,it at least in the same vein as hitker,Is flawed." You said 'a racist targets specifically one group of people' I don't agree with that which is what I wrote | |||
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"For the record - not knowing what a Racist is - is why we have so many Racists! " And getting called a racist when you are nothing of the sort is part of the problem. | |||
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" Sralin certainly didnt see russoans as ethnically superior,therefore the argument that he was racist,it at least in the same vein as hitker,Is flawed." How many times are you actually going to ignore this Historical FACT? "Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy". | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact ! No it's not a fact..its your opinion A racist targets specifically 1 group of people. Hitler with the jews for example. Sralin killed with impunity..he didnt discromate..he killed all races, all creeds,all colours. I cant be arsed arguing anyone more. I'm my opinion he was a mass murderer.He didmt see the Russians as a surpreror which is what racists generanerally do. Without getting into the Stalin/Hitler debate. I do not believe all racists only target one specific group of people. Racists can target multiple groups at the same time. But a racist will discriminate against people who are different to them. Ie a white person may discriminate against black people as they see black people as inferior. Sralin certainly didnt see russoans as ethnically superior,therefore the argument that he was racist,it at least in the same vein as hitker,Is flawed. You said 'a racist targets specifically one group of people' I don't agree with that which is what I wrote" They can do. You get racists who just hate black people for example. But yes racism can be against different groups But like someone said its discriminating against people who are not like you. Surely that's the defeniton of a racist. | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact ! No it's not a fact..its your opinion A racist targets specifically 1 group of people. Hitler with the jews for example. Sralin killed with impunity..he didnt discromate..he killed all races, all creeds,all colours. I cant be arsed arguing anyone more. I'm my opinion he was a mass murderer.He didmt see the Russians as a surpreror which is what racists generanerally do. Without getting into the Stalin/Hitler debate. I do not believe all racists only target one specific group of people. Racists can target multiple groups at the same time. But a racist will discriminate against people who are different to them. Ie a white person may discriminate against black people as they see black people as inferior. Sralin certainly didnt see russoans as ethnically superior,therefore the argument that he was racist,it at least in the same vein as hitker,Is flawed." So in the same retrospect when I was in Afghanistan and afgan security forces hated the sight of females in uniform is that racism or a ideology ? They made me feel inferior. | |||
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"For the record - not knowing what a Racist is - is why we have so many Racists! And getting called a racist when you are nothing of the sort is part of the problem. " exactly Lionel read malcom X gives you another view of racism | |||
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" Sralin certainly didnt see russoans as ethnically superior,therefore the argument that he was racist,it at least in the same vein as hitker,Is flawed. How many times are you actually going to ignore this Historical FACT? "Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy". " I truly cant be arsed arguing any more. | |||
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" Sralin certainly didnt see russoans as ethnically superior,therefore the argument that he was racist,it at least in the same vein as hitker,Is flawed. How many times are you actually going to ignore this Historical FACT? "Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy". I truly cant be arsed arguing any more." Conveniently. | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact ! No it's not a fact..its your opinion A racist targets specifically 1 group of people. Hitler with the jews for example. Sralin killed with impunity..he didnt discromate..he killed all races, all creeds,all colours. I cant be arsed arguing anyone more. I'm my opinion he was a mass murderer.He didmt see the Russians as a surpreror which is what racists generanerally do. Without getting into the Stalin/Hitler debate. I do not believe all racists only target one specific group of people. Racists can target multiple groups at the same time. But a racist will discriminate against people who are different to them. Ie a white person may discriminate against black people as they see black people as inferior. Sralin certainly didnt see russoans as ethnically superior,therefore the argument that he was racist,it at least in the same vein as hitker,Is flawed. So in the same retrospect when I was in Afghanistan and afgan security forces hated the sight of females in uniform is that racism or a ideology ? They made me feel inferior." That's an ideology based on a culture of sexist surely? | |||
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"For the record - not knowing what a Racist is - is why we have so many Racists! And getting called a racist when you are nothing of the sort is part of the problem. exactly Lionel read malcom X gives you another view of racism " I watched the film Shoite. | |||
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"For the record - not knowing what a Racist is - is why we have so many Racists! And getting called a racist when you are nothing of the sort is part of the problem. exactly Lionel read malcom X gives you another view of racism I watched the film Shoite." nor the books better mate | |||
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"One last try . . . Stalin killed many of his own people for many reasons. 1. Not least of which were those he felt were in Opposition to him. That was a policy of a Dictator not wishing to give up his total power over Russia. 2. Against others Stalin led a Policy of mass expulsion from their homelands of the Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. In History this has long been accepted as Socialist Racial Ethnic Cleansing - This was a Racist Policy. It's nothing to do with 'how many he killed' it's the 'reason WHY he killed them'. Stalin was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to kill anyone who gets in their way, can a psychopath be racist, of course . Did Stalin kill these people because of their race or because they were in his way, I doubt we will even know Oh okay - scrub it out, scrub it out and pretend that the Historians don't really know that much. My History Professor would be turning in his grave right now to think that we didn't know what a Racist Policy was. Set by a Racist I didn’t say he wasn’t racist, the man was a total psychopath, he killed 20 million people of all races . He didn’t just target a single race like Hitler he seemed to kill indiscriminately He did . . . The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks. Historical fact. Not conjecture based on other observed behaviours that might just offset what I want to say about him or not matching the convenience of the argument at the time. He was a Racist - fact ! No it's not a fact..its your opinion A racist targets specifically 1 group of people. Hitler with the jews for example. Sralin killed with impunity..he didnt discromate..he killed all races, all creeds,all colours. I cant be arsed arguing anyone more. I'm my opinion he was a mass murderer.He didmt see the Russians as a surpreror which is what racists generanerally do. Without getting into the Stalin/Hitler debate. I do not believe all racists only target one specific group of people. Racists can target multiple groups at the same time. But a racist will discriminate against people who are different to them. Ie a white person may discriminate against black people as they see black people as inferior. Sralin certainly didnt see russoans as ethnically superior,therefore the argument that he was racist,it at least in the same vein as hitker,Is flawed. So in the same retrospect when I was in Afghanistan and afgan security forces hated the sight of females in uniform is that racism or a ideology ? They made me feel inferior." That's misogyny. My understanding is racism is based on a combination of ethnicity, nationality, religion. | |||
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