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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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So spin this into a Brexit positive. The British steel industry has quotas. I didn’t see this in the tariff quota free deal? Didn’t see this on the bus either!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55845067
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And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.) |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.) "
But Brexit was meant to be beneficial to the steel industry? |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
But Brexit was meant to be beneficial to the steel industry? "
Compared to the domesday machinery of Brussels, it will be. At least now we have a fighting chance with speciality steel exports. |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.) "
The decline of the UK's steel industry over decades isn't really because of the EU. |
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this seems almost too good to be true. the government not having the EU to prevent them from massive investment in standard rail infrastructure. also it now appears that we can clearly look forward to the pumping of huge sums of money into rural bus services to reconnect isolated towns and villages with the economy and generally assisting failing businesses of strategic importance etc. |
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"this seems almost too good to be true. the government not having the EU to prevent them from massive investment in standard rail infrastructure. also it now appears that we can clearly look forward to the pumping of huge sums of money into rural bus services to reconnect isolated towns and villages with the economy and generally assisting failing businesses of strategic importance etc."
Again, you can now vote democratically for the policies you believe in without the interference of the unelected EU commission. Great innit? |
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"i look forward with anticipation to the anouncement later today of extensive rescue packages that have been promised by the government."
You will need a very big plate of sandwiches and lots of drinks. It may take a while! |
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.) "
So cutting off a market will help ? Is that what your supporting?
The reasons for the steel industry decline are cheap imports from our new best friends like China dumping their excess steel and lack of support from U.K. governments to keep the plants open against unfair competition globally.
It’s also poor management and unions not helping.
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The UK steel industry pretty much died off years ago and what is left has been in decline ever since, if it was ever viable to pump cash in and save it that ship sailed along time ago. When all these jobs went in steel, coal and fishing in this country over the years most people didn't give a flying fuck because it didn't effect them or there livelihoods so its a bit late saying they need proping up now, I am sure if we were still in the EU most of you would not care about it at all just like you never did before when thousands lost there jobs and way of life. |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
So cutting off a market will help ? Is that what your supporting?
The reasons for the steel industry decline are cheap imports from our new best friends like China dumping their excess steel and lack of support from U.K. governments to keep the plants open against unfair competition globally.
It’s also poor management and unions not helping.
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So Brussels didn't stop China dumping steel? What on earth were we paying them for then? |
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
So cutting off a market will help ? Is that what your supporting?
The reasons for the steel industry decline are cheap imports from our new best friends like China dumping their excess steel and lack of support from U.K. governments to keep the plants open against unfair competition globally.
It’s also poor management and unions not helping.
So Brussels didn't stop China dumping steel? What on earth were we paying them for then? "
access to a very big market for one. Consumers rights, customs free trade, there’s a list but you knew that. .
Anyway back to the Steel jobs.
The EU did try to block imports but the likes of Javid in a long line of others decided no. If fact he actively blocked protections for the industry.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/10/david-cameron-accused-failing-uk-steel-industry-blocking-eu-lesser-duty-proposal
We imported cheap coal to defeat the miners so cheap steel kept the steel workers in their place.
Steel can be designated a strategic defence industry so can attract more subsidy. Again declined in U.K. but not in Germany or France where the industry receives support. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.) "
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The UK steel industry pretty much died off years ago and what is left has been in decline ever since, if it was ever viable to pump cash in and save it that ship sailed along time ago. When all these jobs went in steel, coal and fishing in this country over the years most people didn't give a flying fuck because it didn't effect them or there livelihoods so its a bit late saying they need proping up now, I am sure if we were still in the EU most of you would not care about it at all just like you never did before when thousands lost there jobs and way of life."
Have to agree here. I might add that the unions became as big of the problem they were trying to solve as well. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
The decline of the UK's steel industry over decades isn't really because of the EU. "
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel."
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"The UK steel industry pretty much died off years ago and what is left has been in decline ever since, if it was ever viable to pump cash in and save it that ship sailed along time ago. When all these jobs went in steel, coal and fishing in this country over the years most people didn't give a flying fuck because it didn't effect them or there livelihoods so its a bit late saying they need proping up now, I am sure if we were still in the EU most of you would not care about it at all just like you never did before when thousands lost there jobs and way of life."
Living in Lincolnshire I was well aware of the job losses in Scunthorpe and the job losses in Grimsby when fishing died .
The steel works has been passed from owner to owner seeking hand out form the government then darling a few quick before moving on.
The present Chinese owner may take the technology back to China as Scunthorpe is a world leader in some steel types. It also accounts for 90% of our railway infrastructure supply.
To say no one cares is like saying we’ve forgotten about the mining towns devastated by thatcher . I haven’t.
The steel works in Scunthorpe is more than a factory it’s a town which is totally reliant on that one remaining mill.
The steel producing towns need our support. We will pay with benefits otherwise . |
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"The UK steel industry is less than 10% of what it was 50 years ago.
Are we really blaming Brexit for it's demise?? "
No just Boris deal which puts tariffs on production. Where is the no tariff deal promised? |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
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Appalling, nobody has said any thing like that as you know.
Have you always worked in the same sector or have you had to move around as industries rise and fall? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The UK steel industry is less than 10% of what it was 50 years ago.
Are we really blaming Brexit for it's demise??
No just Boris deal which puts tariffs on production. Where is the no tariff deal promised? "
So we're blaming Boris' deal for the demise of our steel industry? |
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over a year ago
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
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Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply. |
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"The UK steel industry pretty much died off years ago and what is left has been in decline ever since, if it was ever viable to pump cash in and save it that ship sailed along time ago. When all these jobs went in steel, coal and fishing in this country over the years most people didn't give a flying fuck because it didn't effect them or there livelihoods so its a bit late saying they need proping up now, I am sure if we were still in the EU most of you would not care about it at all just like you never did before when thousands lost there jobs and way of life.
Living in Lincolnshire I was well aware of the job losses in Scunthorpe and the job losses in Grimsby when fishing died .
The steel works has been passed from owner to owner seeking hand out form the government then darling a few quick before moving on.
The present Chinese owner may take the technology back to China as Scunthorpe is a world leader in some steel types. It also accounts for 90% of our railway infrastructure supply.
To say no one cares is like saying we’ve forgotten about the mining towns devastated by thatcher . I haven’t.
The steel works in Scunthorpe is more than a factory it’s a town which is totally reliant on that one remaining mill.
The steel producing towns need our support. We will pay with benefits otherwise . "
Scunthorpe has been on the cards for years.
Investment has dried up with very few supply contracts coming in.
Manufacturer's are choosing cheaper suppliers which is simple business sense.
As with the mining sector, it wasn't just thatcher that "killed" off that sector.
EU regulations put in place to prevent the removal of minerals, in favour of renewable energy also played a big part.
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"The UK steel industry pretty much died off years ago and what is left has been in decline ever since, if it was ever viable to pump cash in and save it that ship sailed along time ago. When all these jobs went in steel, coal and fishing in this country over the years most people didn't give a flying fuck because it didn't effect them or there livelihoods so its a bit late saying they need proping up now, I am sure if we were still in the EU most of you would not care about it at all just like you never did before when thousands lost there jobs and way of life.
Living in Lincolnshire I was well aware of the job losses in Scunthorpe and the job losses in Grimsby when fishing died .
The steel works has been passed from owner to owner seeking hand out form the government then darling a few quick before moving on.
The present Chinese owner may take the technology back to China as Scunthorpe is a world leader in some steel types. It also accounts for 90% of our railway infrastructure supply.
To say no one cares is like saying we’ve forgotten about the mining towns devastated by thatcher . I haven’t.
The steel works in Scunthorpe is more than a factory it’s a town which is totally reliant on that one remaining mill.
The steel producing towns need our support. We will pay with benefits otherwise .
Scunthorpe has been on the cards for years.
Investment has dried up with very few supply contracts coming in.
Manufacturer's are choosing cheaper suppliers which is simple business sense.
As with the mining sector, it wasn't just thatcher that "killed" off that sector.
EU regulations put in place to prevent the removal of minerals, in favour of renewable energy also played a big part.
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Thatcher killed off the mining industry because she wanted to break the unions |
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"The UK steel industry pretty much died off years ago and what is left has been in decline ever since, if it was ever viable to pump cash in and save it that ship sailed along time ago. When all these jobs went in steel, coal and fishing in this country over the years most people didn't give a flying fuck because it didn't effect them or there livelihoods so its a bit late saying they need proping up now, I am sure if we were still in the EU most of you would not care about it at all just like you never did before when thousands lost there jobs and way of life.
Living in Lincolnshire I was well aware of the job losses in Scunthorpe and the job losses in Grimsby when fishing died .
The steel works has been passed from owner to owner seeking hand out form the government then darling a few quick before moving on.
The present Chinese owner may take the technology back to China as Scunthorpe is a world leader in some steel types. It also accounts for 90% of our railway infrastructure supply.
To say no one cares is like saying we’ve forgotten about the mining towns devastated by thatcher . I haven’t.
The steel works in Scunthorpe is more than a factory it’s a town which is totally reliant on that one remaining mill.
The steel producing towns need our support. We will pay with benefits otherwise . "
what about the steelworks in Redcar can you nail that on brexit then ? |
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"The UK steel industry pretty much died off years ago and what is left has been in decline ever since, if it was ever viable to pump cash in and save it that ship sailed along time ago. When all these jobs went in steel, coal and fishing in this country over the years most people didn't give a flying fuck because it didn't effect them or there livelihoods so its a bit late saying they need proping up now, I am sure if we were still in the EU most of you would not care about it at all just like you never did before when thousands lost there jobs and way of life.
Living in Lincolnshire I was well aware of the job losses in Scunthorpe and the job losses in Grimsby when fishing died .
The steel works has been passed from owner to owner seeking hand out form the government then darling a few quick before moving on.
The present Chinese owner may take the technology back to China as Scunthorpe is a world leader in some steel types. It also accounts for 90% of our railway infrastructure supply.
To say no one cares is like saying we’ve forgotten about the mining towns devastated by thatcher . I haven’t.
The steel works in Scunthorpe is more than a factory it’s a town which is totally reliant on that one remaining mill.
The steel producing towns need our support. We will pay with benefits otherwise .
Scunthorpe has been on the cards for years.
Investment has dried up with very few supply contracts coming in.
Manufacturer's are choosing cheaper suppliers which is simple business sense.
As with the mining sector, it wasn't just thatcher that "killed" off that sector.
EU regulations put in place to prevent the removal of minerals, in favour of renewable energy also played a big part.
Thatcher killed off the mining industry because she wanted to break the unions "
So if that didn't happen we would still be mining for coal and using fossil fuels as our prime source of energy?
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"The UK steel industry pretty much died off years ago and what is left has been in decline ever since, if it was ever viable to pump cash in and save it that ship sailed along time ago. When all these jobs went in steel, coal and fishing in this country over the years most people didn't give a flying fuck because it didn't effect them or there livelihoods so its a bit late saying they need proping up now, I am sure if we were still in the EU most of you would not care about it at all just like you never did before when thousands lost there jobs and way of life.
Living in Lincolnshire I was well aware of the job losses in Scunthorpe and the job losses in Grimsby when fishing died .
The steel works has been passed from owner to owner seeking hand out form the government then darling a few quick before moving on.
The present Chinese owner may take the technology back to China as Scunthorpe is a world leader in some steel types. It also accounts for 90% of our railway infrastructure supply.
To say no one cares is like saying we’ve forgotten about the mining towns devastated by thatcher . I haven’t.
The steel works in Scunthorpe is more than a factory it’s a town which is totally reliant on that one remaining mill.
The steel producing towns need our support. We will pay with benefits otherwise .
Scunthorpe has been on the cards for years.
Investment has dried up with very few supply contracts coming in.
Manufacturer's are choosing cheaper suppliers which is simple business sense.
As with the mining sector, it wasn't just thatcher that "killed" off that sector.
EU regulations put in place to prevent the removal of minerals, in favour of renewable energy also played a big part.
Thatcher killed off the mining industry because she wanted to break the unions
So if that didn't happen we would still be mining for coal and using fossil fuels as our prime source of energy?
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Simply stating one of the reasons she went after the miners was to crush the power of the unions.
She did the same with the print works. |
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"The UK steel industry pretty much died off years ago and what is left has been in decline ever since, if it was ever viable to pump cash in and save it that ship sailed along time ago. When all these jobs went in steel, coal and fishing in this country over the years most people didn't give a flying fuck because it didn't effect them or there livelihoods so its a bit late saying they need proping up now, I am sure if we were still in the EU most of you would not care about it at all just like you never did before when thousands lost there jobs and way of life.
Living in Lincolnshire I was well aware of the job losses in Scunthorpe and the job losses in Grimsby when fishing died .
The steel works has been passed from owner to owner seeking hand out form the government then darling a few quick before moving on.
The present Chinese owner may take the technology back to China as Scunthorpe is a world leader in some steel types. It also accounts for 90% of our railway infrastructure supply.
To say no one cares is like saying we’ve forgotten about the mining towns devastated by thatcher . I haven’t.
The steel works in Scunthorpe is more than a factory it’s a town which is totally reliant on that one remaining mill.
The steel producing towns need our support. We will pay with benefits otherwise .
Scunthorpe has been on the cards for years.
Investment has dried up with very few supply contracts coming in.
Manufacturer's are choosing cheaper suppliers which is simple business sense.
As with the mining sector, it wasn't just thatcher that "killed" off that sector.
EU regulations put in place to prevent the removal of minerals, in favour of renewable energy also played a big part.
Thatcher killed off the mining industry because she wanted to break the unions
So if that didn't happen we would still be mining for coal and using fossil fuels as our prime source of energy?
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Fossil fuels are still our primary source of energy |
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"The UK steel industry pretty much died off years ago and what is left has been in decline ever since, if it was ever viable to pump cash in and save it that ship sailed along time ago. When all these jobs went in steel, coal and fishing in this country over the years most people didn't give a flying fuck because it didn't effect them or there livelihoods so its a bit late saying they need proping up now, I am sure if we were still in the EU most of you would not care about it at all just like you never did before when thousands lost there jobs and way of life.
Living in Lincolnshire I was well aware of the job losses in Scunthorpe and the job losses in Grimsby when fishing died .
The steel works has been passed from owner to owner seeking hand out form the government then darling a few quick before moving on.
The present Chinese owner may take the technology back to China as Scunthorpe is a world leader in some steel types. It also accounts for 90% of our railway infrastructure supply.
To say no one cares is like saying we’ve forgotten about the mining towns devastated by thatcher . I haven’t.
The steel works in Scunthorpe is more than a factory it’s a town which is totally reliant on that one remaining mill.
The steel producing towns need our support. We will pay with benefits otherwise .
Scunthorpe has been on the cards for years.
Investment has dried up with very few supply contracts coming in.
Manufacturer's are choosing cheaper suppliers which is simple business sense.
As with the mining sector, it wasn't just thatcher that "killed" off that sector.
EU regulations put in place to prevent the removal of minerals, in favour of renewable energy also played a big part.
Thatcher killed off the mining industry because she wanted to break the unions
So if that didn't happen we would still be mining for coal and using fossil fuels as our prime source of energy?
Fossil fuels are still our primary source of energy "
Not coal though |
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"The UK steel industry pretty much died off years ago and what is left has been in decline ever since, if it was ever viable to pump cash in and save it that ship sailed along time ago. When all these jobs went in steel, coal and fishing in this country over the years most people didn't give a flying fuck because it didn't effect them or there livelihoods so its a bit late saying they need proping up now, I am sure if we were still in the EU most of you would not care about it at all just like you never did before when thousands lost there jobs and way of life.
Living in Lincolnshire I was well aware of the job losses in Scunthorpe and the job losses in Grimsby when fishing died .
The steel works has been passed from owner to owner seeking hand out form the government then darling a few quick before moving on.
The present Chinese owner may take the technology back to China as Scunthorpe is a world leader in some steel types. It also accounts for 90% of our railway infrastructure supply.
To say no one cares is like saying we’ve forgotten about the mining towns devastated by thatcher . I haven’t.
The steel works in Scunthorpe is more than a factory it’s a town which is totally reliant on that one remaining mill.
The steel producing towns need our support. We will pay with benefits otherwise .
Scunthorpe has been on the cards for years.
Investment has dried up with very few supply contracts coming in.
Manufacturer's are choosing cheaper suppliers which is simple business sense.
As with the mining sector, it wasn't just thatcher that "killed" off that sector.
EU regulations put in place to prevent the removal of minerals, in favour of renewable energy also played a big part.
Thatcher killed off the mining industry because she wanted to break the unions
So if that didn't happen we would still be mining for coal and using fossil fuels as our prime source of energy?
Fossil fuels are still our primary source of energy
Not coal though "
Fossil fuels account for 44 % of our energy. |
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"The UK steel industry pretty much died off years ago and what is left has been in decline ever since, if it was ever viable to pump cash in and save it that ship sailed along time ago. When all these jobs went in steel, coal and fishing in this country over the years most people didn't give a flying fuck because it didn't effect them or there livelihoods so its a bit late saying they need proping up now, I am sure if we were still in the EU most of you would not care about it at all just like you never did before when thousands lost there jobs and way of life.
Living in Lincolnshire I was well aware of the job losses in Scunthorpe and the job losses in Grimsby when fishing died .
The steel works has been passed from owner to owner seeking hand out form the government then darling a few quick before moving on.
The present Chinese owner may take the technology back to China as Scunthorpe is a world leader in some steel types. It also accounts for 90% of our railway infrastructure supply.
To say no one cares is like saying we’ve forgotten about the mining towns devastated by thatcher . I haven’t.
The steel works in Scunthorpe is more than a factory it’s a town which is totally reliant on that one remaining mill.
The steel producing towns need our support. We will pay with benefits otherwise .
Scunthorpe has been on the cards for years.
Investment has dried up with very few supply contracts coming in.
Manufacturer's are choosing cheaper suppliers which is simple business sense.
As with the mining sector, it wasn't just thatcher that "killed" off that sector.
EU regulations put in place to prevent the removal of minerals, in favour of renewable energy also played a big part.
Thatcher killed off the mining industry because she wanted to break the unions
So if that didn't happen we would still be mining for coal and using fossil fuels as our prime source of energy?
Fossil fuels are still our primary source of energy
Not coal though
Fossil fuels account for 44 % of our energy. "
Correct. What percentage is coal compared to oil & gas?
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"The UK steel industry pretty much died off years ago and what is left has been in decline ever since, if it was ever viable to pump cash in and save it that ship sailed along time ago. When all these jobs went in steel, coal and fishing in this country over the years most people didn't give a flying fuck because it didn't effect them or there livelihoods so its a bit late saying they need proping up now, I am sure if we were still in the EU most of you would not care about it at all just like you never did before when thousands lost there jobs and way of life.
Living in Lincolnshire I was well aware of the job losses in Scunthorpe and the job losses in Grimsby when fishing died .
The steel works has been passed from owner to owner seeking hand out form the government then darling a few quick before moving on.
The present Chinese owner may take the technology back to China as Scunthorpe is a world leader in some steel types. It also accounts for 90% of our railway infrastructure supply.
To say no one cares is like saying we’ve forgotten about the mining towns devastated by thatcher . I haven’t.
The steel works in Scunthorpe is more than a factory it’s a town which is totally reliant on that one remaining mill.
The steel producing towns need our support. We will pay with benefits otherwise .
Scunthorpe has been on the cards for years.
Investment has dried up with very few supply contracts coming in.
Manufacturer's are choosing cheaper suppliers which is simple business sense.
As with the mining sector, it wasn't just thatcher that "killed" off that sector.
EU regulations put in place to prevent the removal of minerals, in favour of renewable energy also played a big part.
Thatcher killed off the mining industry because she wanted to break the unions
So if that didn't happen we would still be mining for coal and using fossil fuels as our prime source of energy?
Fossil fuels are still our primary source of energy
Not coal though
Fossil fuels account for 44 % of our energy.
Correct. What percentage is coal compared to oil & gas?
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No idea, all the coal mines have been closed in the Uk so I guess the percentage will be low. You stated ‘fossil fuels’ , coal is a fossil fuel |
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"The UK steel industry pretty much died off years ago and what is left has been in decline ever since, if it was ever viable to pump cash in and save it that ship sailed along time ago. When all these jobs went in steel, coal and fishing in this country over the years most people didn't give a flying fuck because it didn't effect them or there livelihoods so its a bit late saying they need proping up now, I am sure if we were still in the EU most of you would not care about it at all just like you never did before when thousands lost there jobs and way of life.
Living in Lincolnshire I was well aware of the job losses in Scunthorpe and the job losses in Grimsby when fishing died .
The steel works has been passed from owner to owner seeking hand out form the government then darling a few quick before moving on.
The present Chinese owner may take the technology back to China as Scunthorpe is a world leader in some steel types. It also accounts for 90% of our railway infrastructure supply.
To say no one cares is like saying we’ve forgotten about the mining towns devastated by thatcher . I haven’t.
The steel works in Scunthorpe is more than a factory it’s a town which is totally reliant on that one remaining mill.
The steel producing towns need our support. We will pay with benefits otherwise .
Scunthorpe has been on the cards for years.
Investment has dried up with very few supply contracts coming in.
Manufacturer's are choosing cheaper suppliers which is simple business sense.
As with the mining sector, it wasn't just thatcher that "killed" off that sector.
EU regulations put in place to prevent the removal of minerals, in favour of renewable energy also played a big part.
Thatcher killed off the mining industry because she wanted to break the unions
So if that didn't happen we would still be mining for coal and using fossil fuels as our prime source of energy?
Fossil fuels are still our primary source of energy
Not coal though
Fossil fuels account for 44 % of our energy.
Correct. What percentage is coal compared to oil & gas?
No idea, all the coal mines have been closed in the Uk so I guess the percentage will be low. You stated ‘fossil fuels’ , coal is a fossil fuel"
Your right I did. I should have pre-checked my reply before posting.
As you said coal is no longer a primary source of fuel, the EU directives that were brought in after the Thatcher years allowed for more sustainable and environmentally friendly sources of energy.
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel."
Please see where the EU tried to protect the steel industry . And U.K. said fuck em
The industry still employs thousands so hasn’t disappeared yet eh. Let’s see how our government do now they aren’t restricted as you say in any way!
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/10/david-cameron-accused-failing-uk-steel-industry-blocking-eu-lesser-duty-proposal |
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
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"The UK steel industry pretty much died off years ago and what is left has been in decline ever since, if it was ever viable to pump cash in and save it that ship sailed along time ago. When all these jobs went in steel, coal and fishing in this country over the years most people didn't give a flying fuck because it didn't effect them or there livelihoods so its a bit late saying they need proping up now, I am sure if we were still in the EU most of you would not care about it at all just like you never did before when thousands lost there jobs and way of life.
Living in Lincolnshire I was well aware of the job losses in Scunthorpe and the job losses in Grimsby when fishing died .
The steel works has been passed from owner to owner seeking hand out form the government then darling a few quick before moving on.
The present Chinese owner may take the technology back to China as Scunthorpe is a world leader in some steel types. It also accounts for 90% of our railway infrastructure supply.
To say no one cares is like saying we’ve forgotten about the mining towns devastated by thatcher . I haven’t.
The steel works in Scunthorpe is more than a factory it’s a town which is totally reliant on that one remaining mill.
The steel producing towns need our support. We will pay with benefits otherwise . what about the steelworks in Redcar can you nail that on brexit then ? "
No and not trying to. I am pinning the latest threat to what’s left of our steel industry firmly at Boris door with his terrible deal. |
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
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"The UK steel industry pretty much died off years ago and what is left has been in decline ever since, if it was ever viable to pump cash in and save it that ship sailed along time ago. When all these jobs went in steel, coal and fishing in this country over the years most people didn't give a flying fuck because it didn't effect them or there livelihoods so its a bit late saying they need proping up now, I am sure if we were still in the EU most of you would not care about it at all just like you never did before when thousands lost there jobs and way of life.
Living in Lincolnshire I was well aware of the job losses in Scunthorpe and the job losses in Grimsby when fishing died .
The steel works has been passed from owner to owner seeking hand out form the government then darling a few quick before moving on.
The present Chinese owner may take the technology back to China as Scunthorpe is a world leader in some steel types. It also accounts for 90% of our railway infrastructure supply.
To say no one cares is like saying we’ve forgotten about the mining towns devastated by thatcher . I haven’t.
The steel works in Scunthorpe is more than a factory it’s a town which is totally reliant on that one remaining mill.
The steel producing towns need our support. We will pay with benefits otherwise .
Scunthorpe has been on the cards for years.
Investment has dried up with very few supply contracts coming in.
Manufacturer's are choosing cheaper suppliers which is simple business sense.
As with the mining sector, it wasn't just thatcher that "killed" off that sector.
EU regulations put in place to prevent the removal of minerals, in favour of renewable energy also played a big part.
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Nothing to do with business rates then. Cant understand why the industry complains so much if it’s not an issue . |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply."
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous. "
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
"
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers. |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
So cutting off a market will help ? Is that what your supporting?
The reasons for the steel industry decline are cheap imports from our new best friends like China dumping their excess steel and lack of support from U.K. governments to keep the plants open against unfair competition globally.
It’s also poor management and unions not helping.
So Brussels didn't stop China dumping steel? What on earth were we paying them for then? "
Brussels tried to bring in measures to stop china dumping steel, but Britain vetoed those measures. It was literally our own fault. |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
So cutting off a market will help ? Is that what your supporting?
The reasons for the steel industry decline are cheap imports from our new best friends like China dumping their excess steel and lack of support from U.K. governments to keep the plants open against unfair competition globally.
It’s also poor management and unions not helping.
So Brussels didn't stop China dumping steel? What on earth were we paying them for then?
Brussels tried to bring in measures to stop china dumping steel, but Britain vetoed those measures. It was literally our own fault."
Its always interesting to know why though....
In that case, the judgement was that cheaper imported steel was better for UK manufacturers to be competitive, including with cars production.
The flip side of that might have been what you've seen in America over the last twenty years, protectionist steel policies leading to hopelessly uncompetitive product that was unexportable and the destruction of Detroit.
Not straightforward decisions as some seem to believe. |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers. "
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
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In 300 years will miners be villified like slavers, they dug up all that coal causing untold pollution to our planet ..... and they knew it! Will thatcher be seen as a saviour.....?
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
"
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
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Fuse lit... clear the shaft... "
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
So cutting off a market will help ? Is that what your supporting?
The reasons for the steel industry decline are cheap imports from our new best friends like China dumping their excess steel and lack of support from U.K. governments to keep the plants open against unfair competition globally.
It’s also poor management and unions not helping.
So Brussels didn't stop China dumping steel? What on earth were we paying them for then?
Brussels tried to bring in measures to stop china dumping steel, but Britain vetoed those measures. It was literally our own fault.
Its always interesting to know why though....
In that case, the judgement was that cheaper imported steel was better for UK manufacturers to be competitive, including with cars production.
The flip side of that might have been what you've seen in America over the last twenty years, protectionist steel policies leading to hopelessly uncompetitive product that was unexportable and the destruction of Detroit.
Not straightforward decisions as some seem to believe. "
Its always interesting to know why though....
Sadly this is rarely noticed by many who are fixed in just following their own rhetoric. If more followed this they would be more open to understanding instead of pushing their own agendas.
Sadly most of our own industries became uncompetitive. In my view this was due to two things: subsidies. They are only a short term solution but sadly they never produce a competitive product. They protect short term why the reality is that those recipients sit back and it gets worse.
The second is the unions. When they were first introduced it was to industries where working conditions were so appalling that workers health and wellbeing was at its lowest. Legislation was not there to protect them. They changed the face of that and legislation to provide protection in the work environment.
However instead of realising they had done their job, they continued then to go beyond that, what I'd say is in my opinion by doing so have made those industries uncompetitive as a result.
If something becomes uncompetitive it either has to change and move with the times or die. It can then only compete on home markets with government intervention but cannot
properly compete on the world stage. Sadly this is what's happened. And these stark realities are now becoming apparent. Being in the EU was just another form of propping up with subsidies. Look at the way the US has has proposed up its own industries to the point few if any are competitive.
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lol"
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lol"
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over a year ago
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lol"
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over a year ago
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lol"
What’s a British job?
Should people who aren’t British resign and give their job to a Brit?
You keep telling us that you’re left wing. I sometimes wonder what’s left wing about you. In what way have you got left wing views? |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them . "
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. "
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
"
That's an argument built on sand because you miss out the magic money tree at the start of the process that pays 30% more for British made rails.
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
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I want to pick up on two points you raise.
Why is China so rich? Might be worth looking at a policy their government implicated and that was to buy up other countries debt, buying American world debt was a very strategic move.
A second point I agree market forces are a good thing but there comes a point that one realises we cannot compete in a particular industry no matter how must history we may have in it and we need to let it go and focus on those we can , so retrain, reinvest and move. We cannot expect a static status quo. Sadly some industries will suffer as a result but others will grow and develop, some loose jobs, they need to retrain as new jobs are created. It's fluid. There will be business that don't survive while others do during this last year. A lot will be down to how flexible, innovative and creative they have become as to their survival. |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. "
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
That's an argument built on sand because you miss out the magic money tree at the start of the process that pays 30% more for British made rails.
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?"
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?"
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?"
I don’t need politicians to tell me how I should spend my money.
I thought right wingers hated the nanny state telling them how to live their life.
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Just out of interest, what British made products do you regularly buy? "
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Just out of interest, what British made products do you regularly buy?
The Mail, the Sun or the Mirror? "
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
That's an argument built on sand because you miss out the magic money tree at the start of the process that pays 30% more for British made rails.
Surely the vaccine programme disputes that argument?"
I'm not making the connection? The government happens to be the end customer for vaccines and they ordered gazillions of them many many months ago, hence industry cracked on with the R and D required.
I dare say theyve overpaid for some of them but at least the Oxford one is supposedly purchased at cost. |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?"
no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl |
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By *ackal1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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I think the issue is in the past our unions were too political but to compound it our management was incompetent along with a policy from government and banking for only investing for the short term.
France had high speed trains 40 years ago even with the same problems as us they all knew it was a good investment . In Germany if there was a queue of 6 cars they built a new motorway so now have fabulous infrastructure .
We have some of the worst roads in Europe because we don’t see past the next 5 years .
The smart motorways exist because we don’t want to spend money on new motorways . They are killing people now so definitely not a good idea .
It’s not as simple as market forces on one side or protectionism on the other it’s what’s going to be best long term. I think both Labour and the tories can’t think long term.
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl "
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour.. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour.."
You must be joking do you still not understand why labour lost the last election? labour voters changed their votes to the tories to get brexit done. im amazed some people still cant see this even the labour party has finaly twigged on. |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
That's an argument built on sand because you miss out the magic money tree at the start of the process that pays 30% more for British made rails.
Surely the vaccine programme disputes that argument?
I'm not making the connection? The government happens to be the end customer for vaccines and they ordered gazillions of them many many months ago, hence industry cracked on with the R and D required.
I dare say theyve overpaid for some of them but at least the Oxford one is supposedly purchased at cost. "
If the vaccine roll out had been left to the market do you think it would have been this much of a success?
You only have to have a look at the track and trace shambles.
The roll out has been about as much central planning as you can get. |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour.."
first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ??? |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl "
No I simply asked do you think that's what they stand for?
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???"
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean?  |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? "
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? now where have i heard that before bob. "
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over a year ago
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? now where have i heard that before bob.
You tell me. "
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? now where have i heard that before bob.
You tell me. "
you do understand you just feel stupid for contradicting yourself . You said when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people. Then you said you can’t see me as labour because brexit British jobs for British people lol |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? now where have i heard that before bob.
You tell me. you do understand you just feel stupid for contradicting yourself . You said when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people. Then you said you can’t see me as labour because brexit British jobs for British people lol"
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over a year ago
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? now where have i heard that before bob.
You tell me. you do understand you just feel stupid for contradicting yourself . You said when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people. Then you said you can’t see me as labour because brexit British jobs for British people lol"
What labour voters voted for brexit i dont believe it. and you want British jobs too.  the worlds gone mad. |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? now where have i heard that before bob.
You tell me. you do understand you just feel stupid for contradicting yourself . You said when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people. Then you said you can’t see me as labour because brexit British jobs for British people lol
Do you think you will vote labour at the next GE? "
I’ll do exactly the same as you mate and wait to see there policies |
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over a year ago
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? now where have i heard that before bob.
You tell me. you do understand you just feel stupid for contradicting yourself . You said when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people. Then you said you can’t see me as labour because brexit British jobs for British people lol"
Well, i still don’t get it but thanks for responding. Can you tell us what makes you vote Labour or what made you vote Labour in the past? I mean, on most topics here you seem to be in agreement with the Bojo cheerleaders. I can’t recall you defending anything Labour has done in the past in a positive way. Hence my question. |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? now where have i heard that before bob.
You tell me. you do understand you just feel stupid for contradicting yourself . You said when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people. Then you said you can’t see me as labour because brexit British jobs for British people lolWhat labour voters voted for brexit i dont believe it. and you want British jobs too. the worlds gone mad. "
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? now where have i heard that before bob.
You tell me. you do understand you just feel stupid for contradicting yourself . You said when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people. Then you said you can’t see me as labour because brexit British jobs for British people lol
Well, i still don’t get it but thanks for responding. Can you tell us what makes you vote Labour or what made you vote Labour in the past? I mean, on most topics here you seem to be in agreement with the Bojo cheerleaders. I can’t recall you defending anything Labour has done in the past in a positive way. Hence my question. "
labour haven’t done anything in the past not for a long time because they’ve not been I power mate but now they have a few years to sort out there shit and now they arnt talking about rejoining the eu that’s a good start don’t you think |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? now where have i heard that before bob.
You tell me. you do understand you just feel stupid for contradicting yourself . You said when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people. Then you said you can’t see me as labour because brexit British jobs for British people lol
Do you think you will vote labour at the next GE? I’ll do exactly the same as you mate and wait to see there policies "
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? now where have i heard that before bob.
You tell me. you do understand you just feel stupid for contradicting yourself . You said when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people. Then you said you can’t see me as labour because brexit British jobs for British people lolWhat labour voters voted for brexit i dont believe it. and you want British jobs too. the worlds gone mad. "
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? now where have i heard that before bob.
You tell me. you do understand you just feel stupid for contradicting yourself . You said when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people. Then you said you can’t see me as labour because brexit British jobs for British people lolWhat labour voters voted for brexit i dont believe it. and you want British jobs too. the worlds gone mad. I know mate it’s shocking is t it lol"
British jobs for British people means that people who aren’t British should clear off and give their job to a British person. You’ll never hear Labour or even the tories say this. So do you really think that jobs in this country should only go to British people? If yes, I can’t see what’s left wing about you. |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? now where have i heard that before bob.
You tell me. you do understand you just feel stupid for contradicting yourself . You said when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people. Then you said you can’t see me as labour because brexit British jobs for British people lol
Do you think you will vote labour at the next GE? I’ll do exactly the same as you mate and wait to see there policies
Fair enough, the election is a long way away, who knows who the 2 leaders will be by then "
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? now where have i heard that before bob.
You tell me. you do understand you just feel stupid for contradicting yourself . You said when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people. Then you said you can’t see me as labour because brexit British jobs for British people lolWhat labour voters voted for brexit i dont believe it. and you want British jobs too. the worlds gone mad.
What is a ‘British job’ ?? "
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? now where have i heard that before bob.
You tell me. you do understand you just feel stupid for contradicting yourself . You said when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people. Then you said you can’t see me as labour because brexit British jobs for British people lolWhat labour voters voted for brexit i dont believe it. and you want British jobs too. the worlds gone mad.
What is a ‘British job’ ??
I have asked too but I haven’t had a reply. I don’t know what a British job is. "
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? now where have i heard that before bob.
You tell me. you do understand you just feel stupid for contradicting yourself . You said when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people. Then you said you can’t see me as labour because brexit British jobs for British people lol
Do you think you will vote labour at the next GE? I’ll do exactly the same as you mate and wait to see there policies
Fair enough, the election is a long way away, who knows who the 2 leaders will be by then I wanted nandy I think she would of won the northern voters back more that starmer "
Well you’ll never hear her say ‘British jobs for British people’ I’m afraid.
But I agree I like her too. She’s great and I think she has integrity.
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? now where have i heard that before bob.
You tell me. you do understand you just feel stupid for contradicting yourself . You said when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people. Then you said you can’t see me as labour because brexit British jobs for British people lolWhat labour voters voted for brexit i dont believe it. and you want British jobs too. the worlds gone mad.
What is a ‘British job’ ?? "
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tend to agree that its not just the cost of the product but the impact out sourcing has, whole communities on benefits because the rug has been pulled, is a cost that should be figured into out sourcing
however there is no way any western country with western rules pay rights and workers rights can compete against those with none.
Simple example, the brit contractors were losing contracts to new foreign firms, however when the new firms turned up, no scaffolding, leaning off ladders etc etc, easy to be cheaper if you ignore all the rules! I know its not the same but the world isnt a level playing field, as a country we have to decide what we want to be and how we expect to get there... sounds obvious! lol |
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"And in your mind, how did the UK steel industry manage when we were in Europe?
(Clue, virtually all of it was decimated including Corby, Teeside, and Port Talbot has had the axe over it for decades.)
It's amazing how sound bites are used by the remoaners afloat. Their bits of their ship are becoming fewer an fewer to keep afloat on.
The steel industry here disappeared decades ago. One could argue that the trade restrictions placed upon us by the EU to others outside had a negative impact on British Steel.
So we say fuck the workers in port Talbot and Scunthorpe? Nice
The EU wanted to protect the industry our government didn’t !
Didn't say that at all and you know it. All you're after is someone to rubber stamp your thoughts and piss on anyone who suggests there are other causes that what you imply.
The deal puts 25% tariffs on sales to the eu after the small quota is reached with it the first quarter .
How is that great for jobs?
I know steel has declined through lack of care or support and government allowing cheap imports . So instead of looking at detail the government have just signed up to yet another shit deal .
Damaging our own industry is ok because it’s not as big as it used to be . What kind of argument is that??
Let fuck off the navy for a start then !
Just ridiculous.
Yet our new naval ships are manufactured from imported materials and in some cases, the modules are pre fabricated in different countries.
How many Carrier and Frigate class vessels do the Royal navy now have opposed to 1980?
80% of the Carrier steel was manufactured in the U.K. I believe .
There was a risk were about to order support ships from another country until the order was suspended.
We have lent Ukraine money to build warships and only stipulation is they build two here . Why not the whole order? I know it’s a loan but we get a double dip if all ships are built here.
The point I was making us some people are saying as it’s smaller it’s not important so we should close it.
We need a steel industry whether we like it, can afford it or not!
To let them close will cost tens of thousands of jobs.
Like the car industry the added support companies are massive employers.
The UK steel industry is dying. UK companies can't compete with costs.
We get dribs and drabs however you look at the shipyards in places like Turkey, Singapore and Djibouti and they have full order books for a multitude of vessels.
Shipbuilding in the UK has been on it’s arse for decades, again all down to costs.
The car industry are a perfect example of how technology has progressed with the use of composites and plastics. Adehisives have come on leaps and bounds eliminating the use of metal fasteners. Most components are manufactured by seperate companies and assembled in a plant.
At the end of the day its simple business practice.
Why pay more for the same product that can be outsourced cheaper.
If you take the cost of manufacturing a rail line in the U.K. is say 30% more expensive than an import .
Then look at where the money goes .
It keeps jobs in the U.K.
it keeps security of steel supply which is a strategic resource . It’s financially beneficial to the U.K. against the cheaper import.
The money stays mostly in tne U.K. economy. With cheaper imports the money goes out 100%
This is why China is so rich and we are so in debt as we export our money.
The government in particular should spend wherever possible 100% of their budget in the U.K. .
Giving an order to Singapore or Turkey for a single ship sends that tex revenue abroad .
If the ship is built in the U.K. the money stays in the U.K. ( some parts excepted)
The reason the french economy has kept up with us is not because they work as hard or are as dynamic it’s because they buy French wherever possible . The money stays in France.
I agree market forces are a good thing mostly but sometimes you have to think what’s at stake and those skills will be lost unemployment payments will be ridiculous along with the loss of tax revenue.
The reason we have French and Chinese companies involved in building our nuclear plants is because we don’t have certain skills in the U.K. anymore . Or indeed a government willing to invest long term.
Letting us have a free for all will end up with us all out of work as we can’t compete with cheap Labour in the far east. We can’t all run coffee shops!
You then can’t afford choice even if you wanted it!
Fee market is not always financially best .
British jobs for British people Britain first buy British I’m with ya you be getting called names on here for that soon lolItwill be ok to be British and support Britain now if labour follow the advice given to them .
As if Labour had ever discouraged to buy British goods and not supported Britain. did they ever encourage it tho ?
Foxy..do you think the tories support british jobs for british worker's?
Is that what they stand for?no Lionel I don’t I voted for them just this once to get brexit done if daft arse had backed that I’d of voted for him but to be honest I don’t recall labour talking much about British jobs for British ppl
I still can’t tell what is not tory about you. Brexit British jobs for British people. I can’t see why and how you could vote Labour..first of all you need to read all the posts rather than just a few I was responding to a post from jackal mate then you say when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people now you say you can’t see how I can vote labour you said brexit British jobs for British ppl I can’t see how you can vote labour so do you mean labour supporters didn’t vote Brecht amd don’t want British jobs for British ppl now ???
I’m sorry. I do t want to be pedantic but I really struggle to understand your post without punctuation and your typos. What did you mean? now where have i heard that before bob.
You tell me. you do understand you just feel stupid for contradicting yourself . You said when have labour discouraged British jobs for British people. Then you said you can’t see me as labour because brexit British jobs for British people lolWhat labour voters voted for brexit i dont believe it. and you want British jobs too. the worlds gone mad.
What is a ‘British job’ ?? like jackal said in an earlier post build our navy ships here why let other countries build them where possible use British materials and British workers what is so wrong in that "
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"how many times are you going to say.. and why did we have to leave the eu to do this? why do you keep asking the same question? for flow chart counter replies lol
weve left, get over it! "
Why do you have to keep reading it and replying? It was a valid question, I guess you know the answer though |
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"how many times are you going to say.. and why did we have to leave the eu to do this? why do you keep asking the same question? for flow chart counter replies lol
weve left, get over it!
Why do you have to keep reading it and replying? It was a valid question, I guess you know the answer though "
was a valid question a year ago when you asked it lol |
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"how many times are you going to say.. and why did we have to leave the eu to do this? why do you keep asking the same question? for flow chart counter replies lol
weve left, get over it!
Why do you have to keep reading it and replying? It was a valid question, I guess you know the answer though was a valid question a year ago when you asked it lol"
I didn’t ask it a year ago, but I will keep asking it from now on, you don’t have to answer |
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"how many times are you going to say.. and why did we have to leave the eu to do this? why do you keep asking the same question? for flow chart counter replies lol
weve left, get over it!
again"
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"how many times are you going to say.. and why did we have to leave the eu to do this? why do you keep asking the same question? for flow chart counter replies lol
weve left, get over it!
again
again"
again |
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"how many times are you going to say.. and why did we have to leave the eu to do this? why do you keep asking the same question? for flow chart counter replies lol
weve left, get over it!
again
again"
Replying to my posts
Again
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Again |
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as most people know! being out of the eu allows britain more flexibility in its approach to dealing with most issues, as we are not shackled to the ideals that suit 27 other nations but can tailor the solution for our own needs, thats why the vaccine deal worked! lets hope we can keep doing more of the same |
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"as most people know! being out of the eu allows britain more flexibility in its approach to dealing with most issues, as we are not shackled to the ideals that suit 27 other nations but can tailor the solution for our own needs, thats why the vaccine deal worked! lets hope we can keep doing more of the same "
We could have followed the exact same vaccine roll out when we were in the EU , |
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"as most people know! being out of the eu allows britain more flexibility in its approach to dealing with most issues, as we are not shackled to the ideals that suit 27 other nations but can tailor the solution for our own needs, thats why the vaccine deal worked! lets hope we can keep doing more of the same
We could have followed the exact same vaccine roll out when we were in the EU , "
thats another line youve done numerous times and its been answered numerous times, go sit on the naughty step and think about your actions young man, no, sit on the step, thats a good boy, |
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"as most people know! being out of the eu allows britain more flexibility in its approach to dealing with most issues, as we are not shackled to the ideals that suit 27 other nations but can tailor the solution for our own needs, thats why the vaccine deal worked! lets hope we can keep doing more of the same
We could have followed the exact same vaccine roll out when we were in the EU ,
thats another line youve done numerous times and its been answered numerous times, go sit on the naughty step and think about your actions young man, no, sit on the step, thats a good boy, "
No thanks, if people keep posting rubbish I will keep trying to educate them |
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"as most people know! being out of the eu allows britain more flexibility in its approach to dealing with most issues, as we are not shackled to the ideals that suit 27 other nations but can tailor the solution for our own needs, thats why the vaccine deal worked! lets hope we can keep doing more of the same
We could have followed the exact same vaccine roll out when we were in the EU ,
thats another line youve done numerous times and its been answered numerous times, go sit on the naughty step and think about your actions young man, no, sit on the step, thats a good boy,
No thanks, if people keep posting rubbish I will keep trying to educate them "
You know as well as everyone else that no country had to join the EU procurement scheme. However, all 27 did, what makes you think we would have done differently. |
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"as most people know! being out of the eu allows britain more flexibility in its approach to dealing with most issues, as we are not shackled to the ideals that suit 27 other nations but can tailor the solution for our own needs, thats why the vaccine deal worked! lets hope we can keep doing more of the same
We could have followed the exact same vaccine roll out when we were in the EU ,
thats another line youve done numerous times and its been answered numerous times, go sit on the naughty step and think about your actions young man, no, sit on the step, thats a good boy,
No thanks, if people keep posting rubbish I will keep trying to educate them
You know as well as everyone else that no country had to join the EU procurement scheme. However, all 27 did, what makes you think we would have done differently."
We had the Astra Zeneca vaccine, and as Boris stated we have the best scientists in the World, plus Boris and his ministers know what they are doing? |
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"as most people know! being out of the eu allows britain more flexibility in its approach to dealing with most issues, as we are not shackled to the ideals that suit 27 other nations but can tailor the solution for our own needs, thats why the vaccine deal worked! lets hope we can keep doing more of the same
We could have followed the exact same vaccine roll out when we were in the EU ,
thats another line youve done numerous times and its been answered numerous times, go sit on the naughty step and think about your actions young man, no, sit on the step, thats a good boy,
No thanks, if people keep posting rubbish I will keep trying to educate them
You know as well as everyone else that no country had to join the EU procurement scheme. However, all 27 did, what makes you think we would have done differently.
We had the Astra Zeneca vaccine, and as Boris stated we have the best scientists in the World, plus Boris and his ministers know what they are doing? "
We didn't have the AZ vaccine when that decision was made.
I seem to remember a lot of people screaming about us not joining that scheme. |
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"as most people know! being out of the eu allows britain more flexibility in its approach to dealing with most issues, as we are not shackled to the ideals that suit 27 other nations but can tailor the solution for our own needs, thats why the vaccine deal worked! lets hope we can keep doing more of the same
We could have followed the exact same vaccine roll out when we were in the EU ,
thats another line youve done numerous times and its been answered numerous times, go sit on the naughty step and think about your actions young man, no, sit on the step, thats a good boy,
No thanks, if people keep posting rubbish I will keep trying to educate them
You know as well as everyone else that no country had to join the EU procurement scheme. However, all 27 did, what makes you think we would have done differently.
We had the Astra Zeneca vaccine, and as Boris stated we have the best scientists in the World, plus Boris and his ministers know what they are doing?
We didn't have the AZ vaccine when that decision was made.
I seem to remember a lot of people screaming about us not joining that scheme."
It was being developed, so they knew it’s potential , and we have the best scientists in the world |
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"as most people know! being out of the eu allows britain more flexibility in its approach to dealing with most issues, as we are not shackled to the ideals that suit 27 other nations but can tailor the solution for our own needs, thats why the vaccine deal worked! lets hope we can keep doing more of the same
We could have followed the exact same vaccine roll out when we were in the EU ,
thats another line youve done numerous times and its been answered numerous times, go sit on the naughty step and think about your actions young man, no, sit on the step, thats a good boy,
No thanks, if people keep posting rubbish I will keep trying to educate them
You know as well as everyone else that no country had to join the EU procurement scheme. However, all 27 did, what makes you think we would have done differently.
We had the Astra Zeneca vaccine, and as Boris stated we have the best scientists in the World, plus Boris and his ministers know what they are doing?
We didn't have the AZ vaccine when that decision was made.
I seem to remember a lot of people screaming about us not joining that scheme.
It was being developed, so they knew it’s potential , and we have the best scientists in the world "
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"as most people know! being out of the eu allows britain more flexibility in its approach to dealing with most issues, as we are not shackled to the ideals that suit 27 other nations but can tailor the solution for our own needs, thats why the vaccine deal worked! lets hope we can keep doing more of the same
We could have followed the exact same vaccine roll out when we were in the EU ,
thats another line youve done numerous times and its been answered numerous times, go sit on the naughty step and think about your actions young man, no, sit on the step, thats a good boy,
No thanks, if people keep posting rubbish I will keep trying to educate them
You know as well as everyone else that no country had to join the EU procurement scheme. However, all 27 did, what makes you think we would have done differently.
We had the Astra Zeneca vaccine, and as Boris stated we have the best scientists in the World, plus Boris and his ministers know what they are doing?
We didn't have the AZ vaccine when that decision was made.
I seem to remember a lot of people screaming about us not joining that scheme.
It was being developed, so they knew it’s potential , and we have the best scientists in the world Dont forget and a leader you trust. "
Yes, he will have obviously taken advice from the best scientists in the world, which is what he said at the time |
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"as most people know! being out of the eu allows britain more flexibility in its approach to dealing with most issues, as we are not shackled to the ideals that suit 27 other nations but can tailor the solution for our own needs, thats why the vaccine deal worked! lets hope we can keep doing more of the same
We could have followed the exact same vaccine roll out when we were in the EU ,
thats another line youve done numerous times and its been answered numerous times, go sit on the naughty step and think about your actions young man, no, sit on the step, thats a good boy,
No thanks, if people keep posting rubbish I will keep trying to educate them
You know as well as everyone else that no country had to join the EU procurement scheme. However, all 27 did, what makes you think we would have done differently.
We had the Astra Zeneca vaccine, and as Boris stated we have the best scientists in the World, plus Boris and his ministers know what they are doing?
We didn't have the AZ vaccine when that decision was made.
I seem to remember a lot of people screaming about us not joining that scheme.
It was being developed, so they knew it’s potential , and we have the best scientists in the world "
It was being developed isn't the same as 'we've got a vaccine'. Plenty of vaccines never ever get past development stage.
We also have Pfizer and Valneva. Neither of which have anything to do with 'our' scientists |
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"as most people know! being out of the eu allows britain more flexibility in its approach to dealing with most issues, as we are not shackled to the ideals that suit 27 other nations but can tailor the solution for our own needs, thats why the vaccine deal worked! lets hope we can keep doing more of the same
We could have followed the exact same vaccine roll out when we were in the EU ,
thats another line youve done numerous times and its been answered numerous times, go sit on the naughty step and think about your actions young man, no, sit on the step, thats a good boy,
No thanks, if people keep posting rubbish I will keep trying to educate them
You know as well as everyone else that no country had to join the EU procurement scheme. However, all 27 did, what makes you think we would have done differently.
We had the Astra Zeneca vaccine, and as Boris stated we have the best scientists in the World, plus Boris and his ministers know what they are doing?
We didn't have the AZ vaccine when that decision was made.
I seem to remember a lot of people screaming about us not joining that scheme.
It was being developed, so they knew it’s potential , and we have the best scientists in the world
It was being developed isn't the same as 'we've got a vaccine'. Plenty of vaccines never ever get past development stage.
We also have Pfizer and Valneva. Neither of which have anything to do with 'our' scientists "
We didn’t going the EUs vaccine program due to having the best scientists in the world, that is what Boris stated? Who am I not to believe him |
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"as most people know! being out of the eu allows britain more flexibility in its approach to dealing with most issues, as we are not shackled to the ideals that suit 27 other nations but can tailor the solution for our own needs, thats why the vaccine deal worked! lets hope we can keep doing more of the same
We could have followed the exact same vaccine roll out when we were in the EU ,
thats another line youve done numerous times and its been answered numerous times, go sit on the naughty step and think about your actions young man, no, sit on the step, thats a good boy,
No thanks, if people keep posting rubbish I will keep trying to educate them
You know as well as everyone else that no country had to join the EU procurement scheme. However, all 27 did, what makes you think we would have done differently.
We had the Astra Zeneca vaccine, and as Boris stated we have the best scientists in the World, plus Boris and his ministers know what they are doing?
We didn't have the AZ vaccine when that decision was made.
I seem to remember a lot of people screaming about us not joining that scheme.
It was being developed, so they knew it’s potential , and we have the best scientists in the world
It was being developed isn't the same as 'we've got a vaccine'. Plenty of vaccines never ever get past development stage.
We also have Pfizer and Valneva. Neither of which have anything to do with 'our' scientists
We didn’t going the EUs vaccine program due to having the best scientists in the world, that is what Boris stated? Who am I not to believe him "
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"as most people know! being out of the eu allows britain more flexibility in its approach to dealing with most issues, as we are not shackled to the ideals that suit 27 other nations but can tailor the solution for our own needs, thats why the vaccine deal worked! lets hope we can keep doing more of the same
We could have followed the exact same vaccine roll out when we were in the EU ,
thats another line youve done numerous times and its been answered numerous times, go sit on the naughty step and think about your actions young man, no, sit on the step, thats a good boy,
No thanks, if people keep posting rubbish I will keep trying to educate them
You know as well as everyone else that no country had to join the EU procurement scheme. However, all 27 did, what makes you think we would have done differently.
We had the Astra Zeneca vaccine, and as Boris stated we have the best scientists in the World, plus Boris and his ministers know what they are doing?
We didn't have the AZ vaccine when that decision was made.
I seem to remember a lot of people screaming about us not joining that scheme.
It was being developed, so they knew it’s potential , and we have the best scientists in the world
It was being developed isn't the same as 'we've got a vaccine'. Plenty of vaccines never ever get past development stage.
We also have Pfizer and Valneva. Neither of which have anything to do with 'our' scientists
We didn’t going the EUs vaccine program due to having the best scientists in the world, that is what Boris stated? Who am I not to believe him "
Did he really? There was me thinking Matt Hancock broke the news |
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"as most people know! being out of the eu allows britain more flexibility in its approach to dealing with most issues, as we are not shackled to the ideals that suit 27 other nations but can tailor the solution for our own needs, thats why the vaccine deal worked! lets hope we can keep doing more of the same
We could have followed the exact same vaccine roll out when we were in the EU ,
thats another line youve done numerous times and its been answered numerous times, go sit on the naughty step and think about your actions young man, no, sit on the step, thats a good boy,
No thanks, if people keep posting rubbish I will keep trying to educate them
You know as well as everyone else that no country had to join the EU procurement scheme. However, all 27 did, what makes you think we would have done differently.
We had the Astra Zeneca vaccine, and as Boris stated we have the best scientists in the World, plus Boris and his ministers know what they are doing?
We didn't have the AZ vaccine when that decision was made.
I seem to remember a lot of people screaming about us not joining that scheme.
It was being developed, so they knew it’s potential , and we have the best scientists in the world
It was being developed isn't the same as 'we've got a vaccine'. Plenty of vaccines never ever get past development stage.
We also have Pfizer and Valneva. Neither of which have anything to do with 'our' scientists
We didn’t going the EUs vaccine program due to having the best scientists in the world, that is what Boris stated? Who am I not to believe him
Did he really? There was me thinking Matt Hancock broke the news "
I thought Boris was his boss?? Anyway, we have the best scientists in the world, and they as well
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you got off the step! lines...
dont pay the eu membership if you want to do your own thing
dont pay the eu membership if you want to do your own thing
dont pay the eu membership if you want to do your own thing
its like buying a round for everyone and then buying your own when its their turn!
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