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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/29/tipping-point-why-swampy-thinks-hs2-tunnel-protest-can-change-climate-fight
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HS2 .. is it any good .. ? will it ever get started ! .. will it ever get finished ... ? who will be able to afford to use it if it does get started .. What’s it all about ..?
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"The future.
where would we be if nimbys were around in the Victorian times, still using penny farthings and horses to get around"
Where would the female vote be if it wasent for such nimbys as protestors |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"The future.
where would we be if nimbys were around in the Victorian times, still using penny farthings and horses to get around
Where would the female vote be if it wasent for such nimbys as protestors "
What have the suffragettes got to do with nimbys? |
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The actual route is barmy, should have been built largely parallel to the M1, but railways are environmentally far more CO2 friendly than flying.
We should have been aiming to eliminate domestic air travel years ago, we keep saying how Heathrow is full yet it still has flights to Manchester, Bristol, Edinburgh etc. |
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"The future.
where would we be if nimbys were around in the Victorian times, still using penny farthings and horses to get around
Where would the female vote be if it wasent for such nimbys as protestors
What have the suffragettes got to do with nimbys? "
Protestors all the same |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"The actual route is barmy, should have been built largely parallel to the M1, but railways are environmentally far more CO2 friendly than flying.
We should have been aiming to eliminate domestic air travel years ago, we keep saying how Heathrow is full yet it still has flights to Manchester, Bristol, Edinburgh etc. "
Birmingham should be used far more for holiday flights it's in the middle of the populated centre of the country had good rail and motorway links to the rest of the country, heathrow and Gatwick can still do the main business travellers with hs2 it would be very easy for tourists to get to london from brum. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"The future.
where would we be if nimbys were around in the Victorian times, still using penny farthings and horses to get around
Where would the female vote be if it wasent for such nimbys as protestors
What have the suffragettes got to do with nimbys?
Protestors all the same "
Of course they arent the suffragettes were protesting FOR something, equality and fairness nimbys just dont want anything near them it's fine as long as its next to someone else, completely different scenario |
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"i can remember the protests about the M25 and Stansted airport where would we be without them these days? its called progress some would have us still living in mud huts and riding horses.  "
Agreed with progress . The debate seems to be if HS2 is indeed of progress at all ..
M25 yes because of the success of the automobile and car ownership ..
However a single train line .. ? Especially given the times we live in with a far greater emphasis on working from home and internet communication .
Other than the creation of jobs . Would this particular project not be money better spent elsewhere as is mentioned in the article , the NHS for example ..
Or in further education especially in much needed trades
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"The future.
where would we be if nimbys were around in the Victorian times, still using penny farthings and horses to get around
Where would the female vote be if it wasent for such nimbys as protestors
What have the suffragettes got to do with nimbys?
Protestors all the same
Of course they arent the suffragettes were protesting FOR something, equality and fairness nimbys just dont want anything near them it's fine as long as its next to someone else, completely different scenario"
No it’s not , a protest is a protest whatever the agenda .. Chain yourself to a railing to secure a vote or dig oneself in a tunnel to save the environment .. ? .. it’s still a protest . |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"i can remember the protests about the M25 and Stansted airport where would we be without them these days? its called progress some would have us still living in mud huts and riding horses.
Agreed with progress . The debate seems to be if HS2 is indeed of progress at all ..
M25 yes because of the success of the automobile and car ownership ..
However a single train line .. ? Especially given the times we live in with a far greater emphasis on working from home and internet communication .
Other than the creation of jobs . Would this particular project not be money better spent elsewhere as is mentioned in the article , the NHS for example ..
Or in further education especially in much needed trades
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I guess all the other countries were wrong with their high speed train lines as well then.How can so many countries get it so wrong.  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
I will always say the government missed a trick here.... people in the north wanted it but the south didn’t.... start building it from the north down rather than the south up! At worst case you link up most of the big northern cities with high speed rail... western half linking Glasgow with Manchester/Leeds/Birmingham.... eastern half... Edinburgh/Newcastle/Leeds........ bit between Leeds and birmingham going thru Sheffield.... sidelink Manchester to liverpool....
If the south decide late they want in... cool..... if not.... fine |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"I will always say the government missed a trick here.... people in the north wanted it but the south didn’t.... start building it from the north down rather than the south up! At worst case you link up most of the big northern cities with high speed rail... western half linking Glasgow with Manchester/Leeds/Birmingham.... eastern half... Edinburgh/Newcastle/Leeds........ bit between Leeds and birmingham going thru Sheffield.... sidelink Manchester to liverpool....
If the south decide late they want in... cool..... if not.... fine"
To be honest _abio i thought exactly the same thing i know the midlands are working on it but think thats heading south not north. |
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"i can remember the protests about the M25 and Stansted airport where would we be without them these days? its called progress some would have us still living in mud huts and riding horses.
Agreed with progress . The debate seems to be if HS2 is indeed of progress at all ..
M25 yes because of the success of the automobile and car ownership ..
However a single train line .. ? Especially given the times we live in with a far greater emphasis on working from home and internet communication .
Other than the creation of jobs . Would this particular project not be money better spent elsewhere as is mentioned in the article , the NHS for example ..
Or in further education especially in much needed trades
I guess all the other countries were wrong with their high speed train lines as well then.How can so many countries get it so wrong. "
We are not comparing other countries .
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"I will always say the government missed a trick here.... people in the north wanted it but the south didn’t.... start building it from the north down rather than the south up! At worst case you link up most of the big northern cities with high speed rail... western half linking Glasgow with Manchester/Leeds/Birmingham.... eastern half... Edinburgh/Newcastle/Leeds........ bit between Leeds and birmingham going thru Sheffield.... sidelink Manchester to liverpool....
If the south decide late they want in... cool..... if not.... fine"
Makes sense .. Fair point |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
You can just see what will happen hs2 starts at London and and goes upwards because they know it will ru out of money too soon and the north will be left out again
That would be the only reason to start it in London because it’s always about London  |
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over a year ago
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"https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/29/tipping-point-why-swampy-thinks-hs2-tunnel-protest-can-change-climate-fight
I’ve missed him ...
HS2 .. is it any good .. ? will it ever get started ! .. will it ever get finished ... ? who will be able to afford to use it if it does get started .. What’s it all about ..?
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I remember there was a news item a long time ago, where a senior member conducting a feasibility study i think, whos funding were covered up and ended up being sidelined. Who's paying for the tory chums project? |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"i can remember the protests about the M25 and Stansted airport where would we be without them these days? its called progress some would have us still living in mud huts and riding horses.
Agreed with progress . The debate seems to be if HS2 is indeed of progress at all ..
M25 yes because of the success of the automobile and car ownership ..
However a single train line .. ? Especially given the times we live in with a far greater emphasis on working from home and internet communication .
Other than the creation of jobs . Would this particular project not be money better spent elsewhere as is mentioned in the article , the NHS for example ..
Or in further education especially in much needed trades
I guess all the other countries were wrong with their high speed train lines as well then.How can so many countries get it so wrong.
We are not comparing other countries .
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Yet you are comparing it to suffragettes |
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"i can remember the protests about the M25 and Stansted airport where would we be without them these days? its called progress some would have us still living in mud huts and riding horses.
Agreed with progress . The debate seems to be if HS2 is indeed of progress at all ..
M25 yes because of the success of the automobile and car ownership ..
However a single train line .. ? Especially given the times we live in with a far greater emphasis on working from home and internet communication .
Other than the creation of jobs . Would this particular project not be money better spent elsewhere as is mentioned in the article , the NHS for example ..
Or in further education especially in much needed trades
I guess all the other countries were wrong with their high speed train lines as well then.How can so many countries get it so wrong.
We are not comparing other countries .
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What would you like us to compare it to? |
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The question is... Is there a genuine need for hs2, or is it a vanity project just for the sake of having it, while being a great way of the chum-ocracy to move tax payers money into the pockets of the Eaton chum club |
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"The question is... Is there a genuine need for hs2, or is it a vanity project just for the sake of having it, while being a great way of the chum-ocracy to move tax payers money into the pockets of the Eaton chum club"
In your mind, have you phrased that as an open question, or have you already made your mind up? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"The question is... Is there a genuine need for hs2, or is it a vanity project just for the sake of having it, while being a great way of the chum-ocracy to move tax payers money into the pockets of the Eaton chum club"
well that is the question but as one poster has already said if it cuts internal air travel it can only be good.I know when they built the one from malaga to madrid around 12 years ago it was quicker to get the train than to fly .
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"The question is... Is there a genuine need for hs2, or is it a vanity project just for the sake of having it, while being a great way of the chum-ocracy to move tax payers money into the pockets of the Eaton chum clubwell that is the question but as one poster has already said if it cuts internal air travel it can only be good.I know when they built the one from malaga to madrid around 12 years ago it was quicker to get the train than to fly ."
If that's the case then it's a genuine need, unless online conferencing software overtakes it |
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"The question is... Is there a genuine need for hs2, or is it a vanity project just for the sake of having it, while being a great way of the chum-ocracy to move tax payers money into the pockets of the Eaton chum club"
Isnt it already out of date?
I was reading something about in France they have developed a train that doesnt need tracks |
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"The question is... Is there a genuine need for hs2, or is it a vanity project just for the sake of having it, while being a great way of the chum-ocracy to move tax payers money into the pockets of the Eaton chum clubwell that is the question but as one poster has already said if it cuts internal air travel it can only be good.I know when they built the one from malaga to madrid around 12 years ago it was quicker to get the train than to fly .
If that's the case then it's a genuine need, unless online conferencing software overtakes it"
I don’t have strong feelings about this particular project apart from it being the wrong route and yes it should have been started from the North.
But video conferencing is a laugh really, it’s been heavily plugged for nearly thirty years (Noel Edmonds used to have a big company for it). Covid has made it the only current option, but in my line of work, and for many others, meeting customers face to face will always be the preferred and better option. |
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"The question is... Is there a genuine need for hs2, or is it a vanity project just for the sake of having it, while being a great way of the chum-ocracy to move tax payers money into the pockets of the Eaton chum club
Isnt it already out of date?
I was reading something about in France they have developed a train that doesnt need tracks"
I 100% guarantee there is no credible high speed alternative technology coming. Hyperloop is a complete joke (as we know from the bearded wonders involvement) and maglev will only ever be for short demonstration runs, the cost per mile will always be far too high.
The only realistic engineering development that the French are looking at is a wider track gauge, more like Brunel’s 6ft GWR original, which would enable slightly higher speeds with current technology. |
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"The question is... Is there a genuine need for hs2, or is it a vanity project just for the sake of having it, while being a great way of the chum-ocracy to move tax payers money into the pockets of the Eaton chum club
Isnt it already out of date?
I was reading something about in France they have developed a train that doesnt need tracks"
Look at the Bullet train in Japan, that doesn't use a rail as such. |
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"The future.
where would we be if nimbys were around in the Victorian times, still using penny farthings and horses to get around
Where would the female vote be if it wasent for such nimbys as protestors
What have the suffragettes got to do with nimbys?
Protestors all the same "
So trumps were ok then? Or...lol.  |
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"The question is... Is there a genuine need for hs2, or is it a vanity project just for the sake of having it, while being a great way of the chum-ocracy to move tax payers money into the pockets of the Eaton chum club
Isnt it already out of date?
I was reading something about in France they have developed a train that doesnt need tracks"
That will be a car lol or a tractor? |
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"The question is... Is there a genuine need for hs2, or is it a vanity project just for the sake of having it, while being a great way of the chum-ocracy to move tax payers money into the pockets of the Eaton chum club
Isnt it already out of date?
I was reading something about in France they have developed a train that doesnt need tracks
Look at the Bullet train in Japan, that doesn't use a rail as such."
All bullet trains in Japan run on conventional rails. They’ve had a 40km maglev test track for a few years:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCMaglev |
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"The question is... Is there a genuine need for hs2, or is it a vanity project just for the sake of having it, while being a great way of the chum-ocracy to move tax payers money into the pockets of the Eaton chum club
Isnt it already out of date?
I was reading something about in France they have developed a train that doesnt need tracks
Look at the Bullet train in Japan, that doesn't use a rail as such.
All bullet trains in Japan run on conventional rails. They’ve had a 40km maglev test track for a few years:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCMaglev"
You must be talking about a different bullet train lol how many people just make it up on here lol |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"The question is... Is there a genuine need for hs2, or is it a vanity project just for the sake of having it, while being a great way of the chum-ocracy to move tax payers money into the pockets of the Eaton chum club
Isnt it already out of date?
I was reading something about in France they have developed a train that doesnt need tracks"
They did in the early 20th century, its called a plane |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The question is... Is there a genuine need for hs2, or is it a vanity project just for the sake of having it, while being a great way of the chum-ocracy to move tax payers money into the pockets of the Eaton chum club
Isnt it already out of date?
I was reading something about in France they have developed a train that doesnt need tracks
They did in the early 20th century, its called a plane"
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"The question is... Is there a genuine need for hs2, or is it a vanity project just for the sake of having it, while being a great way of the chum-ocracy to move tax payers money into the pockets of the Eaton chum club
Isnt it already out of date?
I was reading something about in France they have developed a train that doesnt need tracks
Look at the Bullet train in Japan, that doesn't use a rail as such.
All bullet trains in Japan run on conventional rails. They’ve had a 40km maglev test track for a few years:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCMaglev"
And the maglev train at PVG airport shanghai |
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think all trains have tracks, if they dont they arent a train lol
but magnets and friction free is the new desire, just need to be able to stop them at other end lol could be shooting us along side the motorway in little bubbles like letters.... |
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With any major infrastructure project there will always be many conflicting issues on such things as cost, both financial & environmental, practical need & the relief to the environment if road freight, cars & planes can all be taken out of the equation, all big co2 & toxic fumes so surely not a bad thing? But additional investment on the rest of the national rail system would be needed to achieve this. |
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"The question is... Is there a genuine need for hs2, or is it a vanity project just for the sake of having it, while being a great way of the chum-ocracy to move tax payers money into the pockets of the Eaton chum club
Isnt it already out of date?
I was reading something about in France they have developed a train that doesnt need tracks
They did in the early 20th century, its called a plane"
No mate they fly in that blue thing above your head |
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/mach/amp/ncna1014206
Dunno if it was something like this but It said it was the French who were developing it?"
It’s in China, I vaguely remember some French involvement as they are pretty smart with railways. That article is a maglev same as the Japan link I gave above, no chance of anything longer than the Beijing airport or Japanese test track ever being built. The extra cost / speed trade off isn’t worth it compared to flying. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/29/tipping-point-why-swampy-thinks-hs2-tunnel-protest-can-change-climate-fight
I’ve missed him ...
HS2 .. is it any good .. ? will it ever get started ! .. will it ever get finished ... ? who will be able to afford to use it if it does get started .. What’s it all about ..?
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Is he down that tunnel with the others still of out now? |
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By *lan157Man
over a year ago
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"Was Swampy the guy who tried to stop the M3 being built? Was it a good thing he failed? that depends if you use it i guess."
I have done regularly. It's served me well . |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Was Swampy the guy who tried to stop the M3 being built? Was it a good thing he failed? that depends if you use it i guess.
I have done regularly. It's served me well ."
There you go, i wonder if swampy does or even lives anywhere near it. |
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All these opposing lefty tree huggers should try and drive across Romania in a day.
Absolutely dire transport infrastructure. Until they scrounge enough and get the EU to build it for them. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"All these opposing lefty tree huggers should try and drive across Romania in a day.
Absolutely dire transport infrastructure. Until they scrounge enough and get the EU to build it for them."
I doubt they can get there on universal credit. |
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"All these opposing lefty tree huggers should try and drive across Romania in a day.
Absolutely dire transport infrastructure. Until they scrounge enough and get the EU to build it for them."
You travel through Romania much? |
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"All these opposing lefty tree huggers should try and drive across Romania in a day.
Absolutely dire transport infrastructure. Until they scrounge enough and get the EU to build it for them.
You travel through Romania much? "
Nah! |
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Sadly HS2 is reinventing the wheel - the last mainline built (I think) was the Great Central Railway from London to Nottingham and on North but closed in 1969. One of the first long distance fast electric lines was the Manchester-Sheffield "Woodhead line" and that was closed too !!! Unfortunately, travel and transport cause severe environmental harm - I fear there is no escaping that. Just thinking....Pete. |
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"All these opposing lefty tree huggers should try and drive across Romania in a day.
Absolutely dire transport infrastructure. Until they scrounge enough and get the EU to build it for them.
You travel through Romania much? "
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"The question is... Is there a genuine need for hs2, or is it a vanity project just for the sake of having it, while being a great way of the chum-ocracy to move tax payers money into the pockets of the Eaton chum club"
Let's not forget it was the last Labour government who established HS2 Ltd and examined the case for a new high speed line between London and the West Midlands.
If you feel the need to blame anyone the Labour party are the ones to vent your anger at.
Personally with all the construction jobs already created and will be created, the skills that will be leant and the opportunities for young people to learn new skills I think it is fantastic for the nation. |
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"The question is... Is there a genuine need for hs2, or is it a vanity project just for the sake of having it, while being a great way of the chum-ocracy to move tax payers money into the pockets of the Eaton chum club
Let's not forget it was the last Labour government who established HS2 Ltd and examined the case for a new high speed line between London and the West Midlands.
If you feel the need to blame anyone the Labour party are the ones to vent your anger at.
Personally with all the construction jobs already created and will be created, the skills that will be leant and the opportunities for young people to learn new skills I think it is fantastic for the nation."
Would be better if it wasn't a bollocks project |
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