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The EU Lagging behind in acquisition and manifacturing of the vaccines. There is one BIG question??
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"my big question would be why pretend this has anything to do with the virus and not just post anti EU threads in the politics section where they belong " it’s a vital question.  | |||
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"my big question would be why pretend this has anything to do with the virus and not just post anti EU threads in the politics section where they belong it’s a vital question. "Did you mean viral question ? | |||
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think?" They aren't animals....im sure both will be available by the case | |||
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"my big question would be why pretend this has anything to do with the virus and not just post anti EU threads in the politics section where they belong it’s a vital question.
Did you mean viral question ?"Ba dum | |||
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"We all still loving the Eu? Didn’t think so. " I'm very fond of Spain, actually  | |||
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think?" What's 'manifacturing'? That's a question! | |||
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"Frankly I'm surprised by their lack of taste. Both the Allure Moscato and the Rosa Regale are light off-dry sparkling wines that I'd prefer as an aperitif. For dessert, there's much better from the EU like a Sauternes or sweet Riesling." Love it. | |||
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts." Honestly it’s a disgusting abuse of the people who are supposed to be looked after by them. People paying vat on things twice and the like. We should never have joined in the first place. | |||
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"I get this a tongue in cheek thread, but even I can’t bring myself to say ‘I told you so’ in the politics or virus forums. Long and short of it, people will die as a result of this. Doesn’t sit right with me to gloat " no. I agree in some ways. But our outrage at them trying to stop the people of NI getting their vaccine was an important moment. It just let people see who they are, and who we are. There’s a massive disconnect between normal people and the political class. Our outrage has been here all along. But it’s brought into focus when they essentially held a gun to the heads of elderly people in NI. In the spirit of cooperation our next best move once we get to the point where we have a stockpile and can do so without risk to the GB public is offer help to Ireland. After all we share a land border with them and it would help that whole island get back to peaceful normality I we could do the right thing and help them out. | |||
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"I get this a tongue in cheek thread, but even I can’t bring myself to say ‘I told you so’ in the politics or virus forums. Long and short of it, people will die as a result of this. Doesn’t sit right with me to gloat no. I agree in some ways. But our outrage at them trying to stop the people of NI getting their vaccine was an important moment. It just let people see who they are, and who we are. There’s a massive disconnect between normal people and the political class. Our outrage has been here all along. But it’s brought into focus when they essentially held a gun to the heads of elderly people in NI. In the spirit of cooperation our next best move once we get to the point where we have a stockpile and can do so without risk to the GB public is offer help to Ireland. After all we share a land border with them and it would help that whole island get back to peaceful normality I we could do the right thing and help them out. " I’m sorry if I misread the original post but it didn’t seem to convey outrage to me. Felt more like the dripping condescension I usually see reserved for Brexiteers here. For me I think it isn’t for those who voted for Brexit to be outraged at this. Those who wanted to stay should be the ones angry, not us. We know what we voted for and why. Just my two pence worth anyway x | |||
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"I get this a tongue in cheek thread, but even I can’t bring myself to say ‘I told you so’ in the politics or virus forums. Long and short of it, people will die as a result of this. Doesn’t sit right with me to gloat no. I agree in some ways. But our outrage at them trying to stop the people of NI getting their vaccine was an important moment. It just let people see who they are, and who we are. There’s a massive disconnect between normal people and the political class. Our outrage has been here all along. But it’s brought into focus when they essentially held a gun to the heads of elderly people in NI. In the spirit of cooperation our next best move once we get to the point where we have a stockpile and can do so without risk to the GB public is offer help to Ireland. After all we share a land border with them and it would help that whole island get back to peaceful normality I we could do the right thing and help them out. I’m sorry if I misread the original post but it didn’t seem to convey outrage to me. Felt more like the dripping condescension I usually see reserved for Brexiteers here. For me I think it isn’t for those who voted for Brexit to be outraged at this. Those who wanted to stay should be the ones angry, not us. We know what we voted for and why. Just my two pence worth anyway x" for this one no matter what way you voted you were sickened by it. You look at the brush that numpty Farage was being painted with and you have to take a minute and think??? Actually he might have been right about the Eu politics | |||
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"I get this a tongue in cheek thread, but even I can’t bring myself to say ‘I told you so’ in the politics or virus forums. Long and short of it, people will die as a result of this. Doesn’t sit right with me to gloat no. I agree in some ways. But our outrage at them trying to stop the people of NI getting their vaccine was an important moment. It just let people see who they are, and who we are. There’s a massive disconnect between normal people and the political class. Our outrage has been here all along. But it’s brought into focus when they essentially held a gun to the heads of elderly people in NI. In the spirit of cooperation our next best move once we get to the point where we have a stockpile and can do so without risk to the GB public is offer help to Ireland. After all we share a land border with them and it would help that whole island get back to peaceful normality I we could do the right thing and help them out. I’m sorry if I misread the original post but it didn’t seem to convey outrage to me. Felt more like the dripping condescension I usually see reserved for Brexiteers here. For me I think it isn’t for those who voted for Brexit to be outraged at this. Those who wanted to stay should be the ones angry, not us. We know what we voted for and why. Just my two pence worth anyway x for this one no matter what way you voted you were sickened by it. You look at the brush that numpty Farage was being painted with and you have to take a minute and think??? Actually he might have been right about the Eu politics " No don’t get me wrong I’m not saying I’m not appalled by it. I’m just not surprised. I expected no less tbh. As I say I just don’t think there should be any gloating going on. | |||
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"I get this a tongue in cheek thread, but even I can’t bring myself to say ‘I told you so’ in the politics or virus forums. Long and short of it, people will die as a result of this. Doesn’t sit right with me to gloat no. I agree in some ways. But our outrage at them trying to stop the people of NI getting their vaccine was an important moment. It just let people see who they are, and who we are. There’s a massive disconnect between normal people and the political class. Our outrage has been here all along. But it’s brought into focus when they essentially held a gun to the heads of elderly people in NI. In the spirit of cooperation our next best move once we get to the point where we have a stockpile and can do so without risk to the GB public is offer help to Ireland. After all we share a land border with them and it would help that whole island get back to peaceful normality I we could do the right thing and help them out. I’m sorry if I misread the original post but it didn’t seem to convey outrage to me. Felt more like the dripping condescension I usually see reserved for Brexiteers here. For me I think it isn’t for those who voted for Brexit to be outraged at this. Those who wanted to stay should be the ones angry, not us. We know what we voted for and why. Just my two pence worth anyway x for this one no matter what way you voted you were sickened by it. You look at the brush that numpty Farage was being painted with and you have to take a minute and think??? Actually he might have been right about the Eu politics No don’t get me wrong I’m not saying I’m not appalled by it. I’m just not surprised. I expected no less tbh. As I say I just don’t think there should be any gloating going on. " No not gloating just balance. Can you imagine if we had messed up and were on 2% vaccinated and the EU counties had a spectacular task force and were on 10% BJ would have been flogged in the street and rolled in salt. | |||
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts." They can’t ‘charge em big time ‘ for the vaccine, that isn’t how it works  | |||
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"I get this a tongue in cheek thread, but even I can’t bring myself to say ‘I told you so’ in the politics or virus forums. Long and short of it, people will die as a result of this. Doesn’t sit right with me to gloat no. I agree in some ways. But our outrage at them trying to stop the people of NI getting their vaccine was an important moment. It just let people see who they are, and who we are. There’s a massive disconnect between normal people and the political class. Our outrage has been here all along. But it’s brought into focus when they essentially held a gun to the heads of elderly people in NI. In the spirit of cooperation our next best move once we get to the point where we have a stockpile and can do so without risk to the GB public is offer help to Ireland. After all we share a land border with them and it would help that whole island get back to peaceful normality I we could do the right thing and help them out. I’m sorry if I misread the original post but it didn’t seem to convey outrage to me. Felt more like the dripping condescension I usually see reserved for Brexiteers here. For me I think it isn’t for those who voted for Brexit to be outraged at this. Those who wanted to stay should be the ones angry, not us. We know what we voted for and why. Just my two pence worth anyway x for this one no matter what way you voted you were sickened by it. You look at the brush that numpty Farage was being painted with and you have to take a minute and think??? Actually he might have been right about the Eu politics No don’t get me wrong I’m not saying I’m not appalled by it. I’m just not surprised. I expected no less tbh. As I say I just don’t think there should be any gloating going on. No not gloating just balance. Can you imagine if we had messed up and were on 2% vaccinated and the EU counties had a spectacular task force and were on 10% BJ would have been flogged in the street and rolled in salt." No question about that. It would be a circus. I just try not to get too hung up on the tit for tat that goes on. It is what it is. Just be happy you can see through the smoke and mirrors. | |||
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"I get this a tongue in cheek thread, but even I can’t bring myself to say ‘I told you so’ in the politics or virus forums. Long and short of it, people will die as a result of this. Doesn’t sit right with me to gloat no. I agree in some ways. But our outrage at them trying to stop the people of NI getting their vaccine was an important moment. It just let people see who they are, and who we are. There’s a massive disconnect between normal people and the political class. Our outrage has been here all along. But it’s brought into focus when they essentially held a gun to the heads of elderly people in NI. In the spirit of cooperation our next best move once we get to the point where we have a stockpile and can do so without risk to the GB public is offer help to Ireland. After all we share a land border with them and it would help that whole island get back to peaceful normality I we could do the right thing and help them out. I’m sorry if I misread the original post but it didn’t seem to convey outrage to me. Felt more like the dripping condescension I usually see reserved for Brexiteers here. For me I think it isn’t for those who voted for Brexit to be outraged at this. Those who wanted to stay should be the ones angry, not us. We know what we voted for and why. Just my two pence worth anyway x for this one no matter what way you voted you were sickened by it. You look at the brush that numpty Farage was being painted with and you have to take a minute and think??? Actually he might have been right about the Eu politics No don’t get me wrong I’m not saying I’m not appalled by it. I’m just not surprised. I expected no less tbh. As I say I just don’t think there should be any gloating going on. No not gloating just balance. Can you imagine if we had messed up and were on 2% vaccinated and the EU counties had a spectacular task force and were on 10% BJ would have been flogged in the street and rolled in salt." Because there is plenty he has got wrong. Just because the vaccine roll out has been a success shouldnt detract from the numerous cock ups over the last 12 months. | |||
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"I get this a tongue in cheek thread, but even I can’t bring myself to say ‘I told you so’ in the politics or virus forums. Long and short of it, people will die as a result of this. Doesn’t sit right with me to gloat no. I agree in some ways. But our outrage at them trying to stop the people of NI getting their vaccine was an important moment. It just let people see who they are, and who we are. There’s a massive disconnect between normal people and the political class. Our outrage has been here all along. But it’s brought into focus when they essentially held a gun to the heads of elderly people in NI. In the spirit of cooperation our next best move once we get to the point where we have a stockpile and can do so without risk to the GB public is offer help to Ireland. After all we share a land border with them and it would help that whole island get back to peaceful normality I we could do the right thing and help them out. I’m sorry if I misread the original post but it didn’t seem to convey outrage to me. Felt more like the dripping condescension I usually see reserved for Brexiteers here. For me I think it isn’t for those who voted for Brexit to be outraged at this. Those who wanted to stay should be the ones angry, not us. We know what we voted for and why. Just my two pence worth anyway x for this one no matter what way you voted you were sickened by it. You look at the brush that numpty Farage was being painted with and you have to take a minute and think??? Actually he might have been right about the Eu politics No don’t get me wrong I’m not saying I’m not appalled by it. I’m just not surprised. I expected no less tbh. As I say I just don’t think there should be any gloating going on. No not gloating just balance. Can you imagine if we had messed up and were on 2% vaccinated and the EU counties had a spectacular task force and were on 10% BJ would have been flogged in the street and rolled in salt. Because there is plenty he has got wrong. Just because the vaccine roll out has been a success shouldnt detract from the numerous cock ups over the last 12 months." I would argue that he hasn’t gotten away with the raft of fuck ups tho. It’s been consistently covered by the media. The public won’t forget. Any public enquiry and they (the government) are truly fucked. Everyone has to reap the whirlwind in the end. Had they buggered the vaccine rollout too then they’d be out on their ear already. Mass public disobedience and civil disorder, even with it being winter. | |||
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"I get this a tongue in cheek thread, but even I can’t bring myself to say ‘I told you so’ in the politics or virus forums. Long and short of it, people will die as a result of this. Doesn’t sit right with me to gloat no. I agree in some ways. But our outrage at them trying to stop the people of NI getting their vaccine was an important moment. It just let people see who they are, and who we are. There’s a massive disconnect between normal people and the political class. Our outrage has been here all along. But it’s brought into focus when they essentially held a gun to the heads of elderly people in NI. In the spirit of cooperation our next best move once we get to the point where we have a stockpile and can do so without risk to the GB public is offer help to Ireland. After all we share a land border with them and it would help that whole island get back to peaceful normality I we could do the right thing and help them out. I’m sorry if I misread the original post but it didn’t seem to convey outrage to me. Felt more like the dripping condescension I usually see reserved for Brexiteers here. For me I think it isn’t for those who voted for Brexit to be outraged at this. Those who wanted to stay should be the ones angry, not us. We know what we voted for and why. Just my two pence worth anyway x for this one no matter what way you voted you were sickened by it. You look at the brush that numpty Farage was being painted with and you have to take a minute and think??? Actually he might have been right about the Eu politics No don’t get me wrong I’m not saying I’m not appalled by it. I’m just not surprised. I expected no less tbh. As I say I just don’t think there should be any gloating going on. No not gloating just balance. Can you imagine if we had messed up and were on 2% vaccinated and the EU counties had a spectacular task force and were on 10% BJ would have been flogged in the street and rolled in salt. Because there is plenty he has got wrong. Just because the vaccine roll out has been a success shouldnt detract from the numerous cock ups over the last 12 months. I would argue that he hasn’t gotten away with the raft of fuck ups tho. It’s been consistently covered by the media. The public won’t forget. Any public enquiry and they (the government) are truly fucked. Everyone has to reap the whirlwind in the end. Had they buggered the vaccine rollout too then they’d be out on their ear already. Mass public disobedience and civil disorder, even with it being winter. " We will see. There definitely needs to be some sort of enquiry. Even accounting for the eu's fuck up,the death rate in many European counties is still lower than here. And that ,once its over, will be what you are measured on. I feel as if the company itself however, is being forgotten in this maelstrom of accusations. | |||
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"I get this a tongue in cheek thread, but even I can’t bring myself to say ‘I told you so’ in the politics or virus forums. Long and short of it, people will die as a result of this. Doesn’t sit right with me to gloat no. I agree in some ways. But our outrage at them trying to stop the people of NI getting their vaccine was an important moment. It just let people see who they are, and who we are. There’s a massive disconnect between normal people and the political class. Our outrage has been here all along. But it’s brought into focus when they essentially held a gun to the heads of elderly people in NI. In the spirit of cooperation our next best move once we get to the point where we have a stockpile and can do so without risk to the GB public is offer help to Ireland. After all we share a land border with them and it would help that whole island get back to peaceful normality I we could do the right thing and help them out. I’m sorry if I misread the original post but it didn’t seem to convey outrage to me. Felt more like the dripping condescension I usually see reserved for Brexiteers here. For me I think it isn’t for those who voted for Brexit to be outraged at this. Those who wanted to stay should be the ones angry, not us. We know what we voted for and why. Just my two pence worth anyway x for this one no matter what way you voted you were sickened by it. You look at the brush that numpty Farage was being painted with and you have to take a minute and think??? Actually he might have been right about the Eu politics No don’t get me wrong I’m not saying I’m not appalled by it. I’m just not surprised. I expected no less tbh. As I say I just don’t think there should be any gloating going on. No not gloating just balance. Can you imagine if we had messed up and were on 2% vaccinated and the EU counties had a spectacular task force and were on 10% BJ would have been flogged in the street and rolled in salt. Because there is plenty he has got wrong. Just because the vaccine roll out has been a success shouldnt detract from the numerous cock ups over the last 12 months. I would argue that he hasn’t gotten away with the raft of fuck ups tho. It’s been consistently covered by the media. The public won’t forget. Any public enquiry and they (the government) are truly fucked. Everyone has to reap the whirlwind in the end. Had they buggered the vaccine rollout too then they’d be out on their ear already. Mass public disobedience and civil disorder, even with it being winter. We will see. There definitely needs to be some sort of enquiry. Even accounting for the eu's fuck up,the death rate in many European counties is still lower than here. And that ,once its over, will be what you are measured on. I feel as if the company itself however, is being forgotten in this maelstrom of accusations." My point exactly. Everyone’s so busy throwing shit at each other they’re losing sight of the bigger picture and the consequences | |||
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"it seems the vaccine roll out gamble is too early to be judged. if problems arise that are eventually found to be caused by ignoring the science and extending the wait for a second dose then it could prove costly for the government." Agreed 
And costly for human lives. | |||
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"And costly for human lives." yes, more so | |||
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts. They can’t ‘charge em big time ‘ for the vaccine, that isn’t how it works "Indeed, the EU will presumably pay whatever was agreed in the contract with AZ. | |||
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts. They can’t ‘charge em big time ‘ for the vaccine, that isn’t how it works
Indeed, the EU will presumably pay whatever was
agreed in the contract with AZ."Exactly, AZ need to honour the contact both on price and numbers | |||
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts. They can’t ‘charge em big time ‘ for the vaccine, that isn’t how it works
Indeed, the EU will presumably pay whatever was
agreed in the contract with AZ.
Exactly, AZ need to honour the contact both on price and numbers "They have never said they wouldnt, the EU are trying to jump the queue and get doses from others higher up the order base, when in a hole stop digging. | |||
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts. They can’t ‘charge em big time ‘ for the vaccine, that isn’t how it works
Indeed, the EU will presumably pay whatever was
agreed in the contract with AZ.
Exactly, AZ need to honour the contact both on price and numbers
They have never said they wouldnt, the EU are trying to jump the queue and get doses from others higher up the order base, when in a hole stop digging."Are they? Do you have any evidence to support that? | |||
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts. They can’t ‘charge em big time ‘ for the vaccine, that isn’t how it works
Indeed, the EU will presumably pay whatever was
agreed in the contract with AZ.
Exactly, AZ need to honour the contact both on price and numbers
They have never said they wouldnt, the EU are trying to jump the queue and get doses from others higher up the order base, when in a hole stop digging.
Are they? Do you have any evidence to support that? "Well it padded out something like this: *The UK ordered vaccines before the EU under contract and then started rolling out those vaccines. *The EU ordered their vaccines after the UK, so it couldn't roll out vaccines until it received them. Germany broke the agreement with the EU and ordered an extra 30million for its own citizens - the EU threw a fit and Germany had to fall in line. The Vaccine companies then said that there will be delays because of production problems. The EU said well we still want ours before anyone else including the UK (proof of this was that they embargoed export of the vaccine out of the EU. You now have to get special permission). The EU decided to invoke article 16 - and were told it was and 'extreme act of aggression' and just as quickly withdrew. Now if non of that is 'trying to jump the queue' I don't know what is!! | |||
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts. They can’t ‘charge em big time ‘ for the vaccine, that isn’t how it works
Indeed, the EU will presumably pay whatever was
agreed in the contract with AZ.
Exactly, AZ need to honour the contact both on price and numbers
They have never said they wouldnt, the EU are trying to jump the queue and get doses from others higher up the order base, when in a hole stop digging.
Are they? Do you have any evidence to support that?
Well it padded out something like this:
*The UK ordered vaccines before the EU under contract and then started rolling out those vaccines.
*The EU ordered their vaccines after the UK, so it couldn't roll out vaccines until it received them.
Germany broke the agreement with the EU and ordered an extra 30million for its own citizens - the EU threw a fit and Germany had to fall in line.
The Vaccine companies then said that there will be delays because of production problems. The EU said well we still want ours before anyone else including the UK (proof of this was that they embargoed export of the vaccine out of the EU. You now have to get special permission).
The EU decided to invoke article 16 - and were told it was and 'extreme act of aggression' and just as quickly withdrew.
Now if non of that is 'trying to jump the queue' I don't know what is!!
"It doesn’t prove anything, try again, btw I think the EU have made a completed mess of this | |||
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts. They can’t ‘charge em big time ‘ for the vaccine, that isn’t how it works
Indeed, the EU will presumably pay whatever was
agreed in the contract with AZ.
Exactly, AZ need to honour the contact both on price and numbers
They have never said they wouldnt, the EU are trying to jump the queue and get doses from others higher up the order base, when in a hole stop digging.
Are they? Do you have any evidence to support that?
Well it padded out something like this:
*The UK ordered vaccines before the EU under contract and then started rolling out those vaccines.
*The EU ordered their vaccines after the UK, so it couldn't roll out vaccines until it received them.
Germany broke the agreement with the EU and ordered an extra 30million for its own citizens - the EU threw a fit and Germany had to fall in line.
The Vaccine companies then said that there will be delays because of production problems. The EU said well we still want ours before anyone else including the UK (proof of this was that they embargoed export of the vaccine out of the EU. You now have to get special permission).
The EU decided to invoke article 16 - and were told it was and 'extreme act of aggression' and just as quickly withdrew.
Now if non of that is 'trying to jump the queue' I don't know what is!!
It doesn’t prove anything, try again, btw I think the EU have made a completed mess of this "lol - okay it just doesn't prove anything! hahaha | |||
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts. They can’t ‘charge em big time ‘ for the vaccine, that isn’t how it works
Indeed, the EU will presumably pay whatever was
agreed in the contract with AZ.
Exactly, AZ need to honour the contact both on price and numbers
They have never said they wouldnt, the EU are trying to jump the queue and get doses from others higher up the order base, when in a hole stop digging.
Are they? Do you have any evidence to support that? "They have repeatedly said they will deliver asap, as per the contract, there have been issues in the belgium plant which has caused a blip. | |||
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts. They can’t ‘charge em big time ‘ for the vaccine, that isn’t how it works
Indeed, the EU will presumably pay whatever was
agreed in the contract with AZ.
Exactly, AZ need to honour the contact both on price and numbers
They have never said they wouldnt, the EU are trying to jump the queue and get doses from others higher up the order base, when in a hole stop digging.
Are they? Do you have any evidence to support that?
Well it padded out something like this:
*The UK ordered vaccines before the EU under contract and then started rolling out those vaccines.
*The EU ordered their vaccines after the UK, so it couldn't roll out vaccines until it received them.
Germany broke the agreement with the EU and ordered an extra 30million for its own citizens - the EU threw a fit and Germany had to fall in line.
The Vaccine companies then said that there will be delays because of production problems. The EU said well we still want ours before anyone else including the UK (proof of this was that they embargoed export of the vaccine out of the EU. You now have to get special permission).
The EU decided to invoke article 16 - and were told it was and 'extreme act of aggression' and just as quickly withdrew.
Now if non of that is 'trying to jump the queue' I don't know what is!!
It doesn’t prove anything, try again, btw I think the EU have made a completed mess of this
lol - okay it just doesn't prove anything! hahaha"No it doesn’t, nice try though | |||
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts. They can’t ‘charge em big time ‘ for the vaccine, that isn’t how it works
Indeed, the EU will presumably pay whatever was
agreed in the contract with AZ.
Exactly, AZ need to honour the contact both on price and numbers
They have never said they wouldnt, the EU are trying to jump the queue and get doses from others higher up the order base, when in a hole stop digging.
Are they? Do you have any evidence to support that?
Well it padded out something like this:
*The UK ordered vaccines before the EU under contract and then started rolling out those vaccines.
*The EU ordered their vaccines after the UK, so it couldn't roll out vaccines until it received them.
Germany broke the agreement with the EU and ordered an extra 30million for its own citizens - the EU threw a fit and Germany had to fall in line.
The Vaccine companies then said that there will be delays because of production problems. The EU said well we still want ours before anyone else including the UK (proof of this was that they embargoed export of the vaccine out of the EU. You now have to get special permission).
The EU decided to invoke article 16 - and were told it was and 'extreme act of aggression' and just as quickly withdrew.
Now if non of that is 'trying to jump the queue' I don't know what is!!
It doesn’t prove anything, try again, btw I think the EU have made a completed mess of this
lol - okay it just doesn't prove anything! hahaha
No it doesn’t, nice try though "Yea okay | |||
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts. They can’t ‘charge em big time ‘ for the vaccine, that isn’t how it works
Indeed, the EU will presumably pay whatever was
agreed in the contract with AZ.
Exactly, AZ need to honour the contact both on price and numbers
They have never said they wouldnt, the EU are trying to jump the queue and get doses from others higher up the order base, when in a hole stop digging.
Are they? Do you have any evidence to support that?
Well it padded out something like this:
*The UK ordered vaccines before the EU under contract and then started rolling out those vaccines.
*The EU ordered their vaccines after the UK, so it couldn't roll out vaccines until it received them.
Germany broke the agreement with the EU and ordered an extra 30million for its own citizens - the EU threw a fit and Germany had to fall in line.
The Vaccine companies then said that there will be delays because of production problems. The EU said well we still want ours before anyone else including the UK (proof of this was that they embargoed export of the vaccine out of the EU. You now have to get special permission).
The EU decided to invoke article 16 - and were told it was and 'extreme act of aggression' and just as quickly withdrew.
Now if non of that is 'trying to jump the queue' I don't know what is!!
It doesn’t prove anything, try again, btw I think the EU have made a completed mess of this
lol - okay it just doesn't prove anything! hahaha
No it doesn’t, nice try though
No conversation without condescension. "No proof without evidence? | |||
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts. They can’t ‘charge em big time ‘ for the vaccine, that isn’t how it works
Indeed, the EU will presumably pay whatever was
agreed in the contract with AZ.
Exactly, AZ need to honour the contact both on price and numbers
They have never said they wouldnt, the EU are trying to jump the queue and get doses from others higher up the order base, when in a hole stop digging.
Are they? Do you have any evidence to support that?
Well it padded out something like this:
*The UK ordered vaccines before the EU under contract and then started rolling out those vaccines.
*The EU ordered their vaccines after the UK, so it couldn't roll out vaccines until it received them.
Germany broke the agreement with the EU and ordered an extra 30million for its own citizens - the EU threw a fit and Germany had to fall in line.
The Vaccine companies then said that there will be delays because of production problems. The EU said well we still want ours before anyone else including the UK (proof of this was that they embargoed export of the vaccine out of the EU. You now have to get special permission).
The EU decided to invoke article 16 - and were told it was and 'extreme act of aggression' and just as quickly withdrew.
Now if non of that is 'trying to jump the queue' I don't know what is!!
It doesn’t prove anything, try again, btw I think the EU have made a completed mess of this
lol - okay it just doesn't prove anything! hahaha
No it doesn’t, nice try though
No conversation without condescension.
No proof without evidence? "Gave you it. But you have it your way. I'm so very happy for you to have it | |||
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts. They can’t ‘charge em big time ‘ for the vaccine, that isn’t how it works
Indeed, the EU will presumably pay whatever was
agreed in the contract with AZ.
Exactly, AZ need to honour the contact both on price and numbers
They have never said they wouldnt, the EU are trying to jump the queue and get doses from others higher up the order base, when in a hole stop digging.
Are they? Do you have any evidence to support that?
Well it padded out something like this:
*The UK ordered vaccines before the EU under contract and then started rolling out those vaccines.
*The EU ordered their vaccines after the UK, so it couldn't roll out vaccines until it received them.
Germany broke the agreement with the EU and ordered an extra 30million for its own citizens - the EU threw a fit and Germany had to fall in line.
The Vaccine companies then said that there will be delays because of production problems. The EU said well we still want ours before anyone else including the UK (proof of this was that they embargoed export of the vaccine out of the EU. You now have to get special permission).
The EU decided to invoke article 16 - and were told it was and 'extreme act of aggression' and just as quickly withdrew.
Now if non of that is 'trying to jump the queue' I don't know what is!!
It doesn’t prove anything, try again, btw I think the EU have made a completed mess of this
lol - okay it just doesn't prove anything! hahaha
No it doesn’t, nice try though
No conversation without condescension.
No proof without evidence?
Gave you it. But you have it your way. I'm so very happy for you to have it "You didn’t, but I am happy to agree to disagree | |||
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts. They can’t ‘charge em big time ‘ for the vaccine, that isn’t how it works
Indeed, the EU will presumably pay whatever was
agreed in the contract with AZ.
Exactly, AZ need to honour the contact both on price and numbers
They have never said they wouldnt, the EU are trying to jump the queue and get doses from others higher up the order base, when in a hole stop digging.
Are they? Do you have any evidence to support that?
Well it padded out something like this:
*The UK ordered vaccines before the EU under contract and then started rolling out those vaccines.
*The EU ordered their vaccines after the UK, so it couldn't roll out vaccines until it received them.
Germany broke the agreement with the EU and ordered an extra 30million for its own citizens - the EU threw a fit and Germany had to fall in line.
The Vaccine companies then said that there will be delays because of production problems. The EU said well we still want ours before anyone else including the UK (proof of this was that they embargoed export of the vaccine out of the EU. You now have to get special permission).
The EU decided to invoke article 16 - and were told it was and 'extreme act of aggression' and just as quickly withdrew.
Now if non of that is 'trying to jump the queue' I don't know what is!!
It doesn’t prove anything, try again, btw I think the EU have made a completed mess of this
lol - okay it just doesn't prove anything! hahaha
No it doesn’t, nice try though
No conversation without condescension.
No proof without evidence? "Or if you dont like the truth keep ignoring it. Seems virtually the whole world sees the truth except you if it makes you happy carry on. | |||
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts. They can’t ‘charge em big time ‘ for the vaccine, that isn’t how it works
Indeed, the EU will presumably pay whatever was
agreed in the contract with AZ.
Exactly, AZ need to honour the contact both on price and numbers
They have never said they wouldnt, the EU are trying to jump the queue and get doses from others higher up the order base, when in a hole stop digging.
Are they? Do you have any evidence to support that?
Well it padded out something like this:
*The UK ordered vaccines before the EU under contract and then started rolling out those vaccines.
*The EU ordered their vaccines after the UK, so it couldn't roll out vaccines until it received them.
Germany broke the agreement with the EU and ordered an extra 30million for its own citizens - the EU threw a fit and Germany had to fall in line.
The Vaccine companies then said that there will be delays because of production problems. The EU said well we still want ours before anyone else including the UK (proof of this was that they embargoed export of the vaccine out of the EU. You now have to get special permission).
The EU decided to invoke article 16 - and were told it was and 'extreme act of aggression' and just as quickly withdrew.
Now if non of that is 'trying to jump the queue' I don't know what is!!
It doesn’t prove anything, try again, btw I think the EU have made a completed mess of this
lol - okay it just doesn't prove anything! hahaha
No it doesn’t, nice try though
No conversation without condescension.
No proof without evidence?
Or if you dont like the truth keep ignoring it. Seems virtually the whole world sees the truth except you if it makes you happy carry on."The truth? Where is the evidence that the EU tried to ‘jump the queue’ ? They have made a mess of this but they are seeking to get the orders that they made made and have paid for?? | |||
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" The truth? Where is the evidence that the EU tried to ‘jump the queue’ ? They have made a mess of this but they are seeking to get the orders that they made made and have paid for?? " Okay. They tried to stop UK vaccines (legitimately ordered under contract) from leaving the EU. Therefore, getting theirs BEFORE that contract had been legally filled. If that isn't queue-jumping what is? | |||
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" The truth? Where is the evidence that the EU tried to ‘jump the queue’ ? They have made a mess of this but they are seeking to get the orders that they made made and have paid for?? Okay. They tried to stop UK vaccines (legitimately ordered under contract) from leaving the EU. Therefore, getting theirs BEFORE that contract had been legally filled. If that isn't queue-jumping what is?" They tried but they didn’t because they realised it was a huge mistake. Nobody should ever consider revoking article 16, don’t you agree? | |||
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" The truth? Where is the evidence that the EU tried to ‘jump the queue’ ? They have made a mess of this but they are seeking to get the orders that they made made and have paid for?? Okay. They tried to stop UK vaccines (legitimately ordered under contract) from leaving the EU. Therefore, getting theirs BEFORE that contract had been legally filled. If that isn't queue-jumping what is? They tried but they didn’t because they realised it was a huge mistake. Nobody should ever consider revoking article 16, don’t you agree? " So they did try to jump the queue. Long ways around, but we got there in the end. | |||
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts. They can’t ‘charge em big time ‘ for the vaccine, that isn’t how it works
Indeed, the EU will presumably pay whatever was
agreed in the contract with AZ.
Exactly, AZ need to honour the contact both on price and numbers
They have never said they wouldnt, the EU are trying to jump the queue and get doses from others higher up the order base, when in a hole stop digging.
Are they? Do you have any evidence to support that?
Well it padded out something like this:
*The UK ordered vaccines before the EU under contract and then started rolling out those vaccines.
*The EU ordered their vaccines after the UK, so it couldn't roll out vaccines until it received them.
Germany broke the agreement with the EU and ordered an extra 30million for its own citizens - the EU threw a fit and Germany had to fall in line.
The Vaccine companies then said that there will be delays because of production problems. The EU said well we still want ours before anyone else including the UK (proof of this was that they embargoed export of the vaccine out of the EU. You now have to get special permission).
The EU decided to invoke article 16 - and were told it was and 'extreme act of aggression' and just as quickly withdrew.
Now if non of that is 'trying to jump the queue' I don't know what is!!
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"Oh ah they be squawking now Bojo got us ahead of the game hope his balls is big enough to charge em big time for the vaccine, the fookers have just hit me £30 for import duty on some parts. They can’t ‘charge em big time ‘ for the vaccine, that isn’t how it works
Indeed, the EU will presumably pay whatever was
agreed in the contract with AZ.
Exactly, AZ need to honour the contact both on price and numbers
They have never said they wouldnt, the EU are trying to jump the queue and get doses from others higher up the order base, when in a hole stop digging.
Are they? Do you have any evidence to support that?
Well it padded out something like this:
*The UK ordered vaccines before the EU under contract and then started rolling out those vaccines.
*The EU ordered their vaccines after the UK, so it couldn't roll out vaccines until it received them.
Germany broke the agreement with the EU and ordered an extra 30million for its own citizens - the EU threw a fit and Germany had to fall in line.
The Vaccine companies then said that there will be delays because of production problems. The EU said well we still want ours before anyone else including the UK (proof of this was that they embargoed export of the vaccine out of the EU. You now have to get special permission).
The EU decided to invoke article 16 - and were told it was and 'extreme act of aggression' and just as quickly withdrew.
Now if non of that is 'trying to jump the queue' I don't know what is!!
It doesn’t prove anything, try again, btw I think the EU have made a completed mess of this
lol - okay it just doesn't prove anything! hahaha
No it doesn’t, nice try though
No conversation without condescension.
No proof without evidence?
Or if you dont like the truth keep ignoring it. Seems virtually the whole world sees the truth except you if it makes you happy carry on." even with it headline news all over the place and the EU statement some still dispute it | |||
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" The truth? Where is the evidence that the EU tried to ‘jump the queue’ ? They have made a mess of this but they are seeking to get the orders that they made made and have paid for?? Okay. They tried to stop UK vaccines (legitimately ordered under contract) from leaving the EU. Therefore, getting theirs BEFORE that contract had been legally filled. If that isn't queue-jumping what is? They tried but they didn’t because they realised it was a huge mistake. Nobody should ever consider revoking article 16, don’t you agree? " Actually. 'They did invoke it' (not tried) - and then rescinded it. | |||
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" The truth? Where is the evidence that the EU tried to ‘jump the queue’ ? They have made a mess of this but they are seeking to get the orders that they made made and have paid for?? Okay. They tried to stop UK vaccines (legitimately ordered under contract) from leaving the EU. Therefore, getting theirs BEFORE that contract had been legally filled. If that isn't queue-jumping what is? They tried but they didn’t because they realised it was a huge mistake. Nobody should ever consider revoking article 16, don’t you agree? " The have taken a step back from invoking article 16 but they are still pressing ahead with the plan to 'get permission' on vaccine exports. Who says they will 'give permission' when said requests come from the vaccine manufacturers? | |||
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" The truth? Where is the evidence that the EU tried to ‘jump the queue’ ? They have made a mess of this but they are seeking to get the orders that they made made and have paid for?? Okay. They tried to stop UK vaccines (legitimately ordered under contract) from leaving the EU. Therefore, getting theirs BEFORE that contract had been legally filled. If that isn't queue-jumping what is? They tried but they didn’t because they realised it was a huge mistake. Nobody should ever consider revoking article 16, don’t you agree? The have taken a step back from invoking article 16 but they are still pressing ahead with the plan to 'get permission' on vaccine exports. Who says they will 'give permission' when said requests come from the vaccine manufacturers?" Yup. Said that above, vis-à-vis queue-jumping. | |||
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" The truth? Where is the evidence that the EU tried to ‘jump the queue’ ? They have made a mess of this but they are seeking to get the orders that they made made and have paid for?? Okay. They tried to stop UK vaccines (legitimately ordered under contract) from leaving the EU. Therefore, getting theirs BEFORE that contract had been legally filled. If that isn't queue-jumping what is? They tried but they didn’t because they realised it was a huge mistake. Nobody should ever consider revoking article 16, don’t you agree? So they did try to jump the queue. Long ways around, but we got there in the end. " No, because what they attempted to do wasn’t about ‘jumping the queue ‘ | |||
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"Did anyone see that redacted contract they published seems they have a lot to hide "Seeing as it was a legal document, I'm guessing they had to redact quite a bit. | |||
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"Never mind Solidarity will get them through . .. "The BBC's Europe editor Katya Adler says some EU governments are beginning to show impatience with Brussels, which had hoped its vaccination purchasing scheme would be a beacon of European solidarity and strength. The Commission's laboured negotiating process, the tardy approval of vaccines by the EU's medical regulator and delays now in vaccine deliveries have left EU citizens demanding answers and action, our correspondent says. Markus Söder, the Bavarian premier and Germany's possible future chancellor, told ZDF television on Friday that it was his impression that the commission "ordered too late, and only bet on a few companies, they agreed on a price in a typically bureaucratic EU procedure and completely underestimated the fundamental importance of the situation." "Is this the same katya alder who was getting slated on here the other day? What I dont get is why some counties paid more than others? I thought it was a set price? | |||
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"Never mind Solidarity will get them through . .. "The BBC's Europe editor Katya Adler says some EU governments are beginning to show impatience with Brussels, which had hoped its vaccination purchasing scheme would be a beacon of European solidarity and strength. The Commission's laboured negotiating process, the tardy approval of vaccines by the EU's medical regulator and delays now in vaccine deliveries have left EU citizens demanding answers and action, our correspondent says. Markus Söder, the Bavarian premier and Germany's possible future chancellor, told ZDF television on Friday that it was his impression that the commission "ordered too late, and only bet on a few companies, they agreed on a price in a typically bureaucratic EU procedure and completely underestimated the fundamental importance of the situation."
Is this the same katya alder who was getting slated on here the other day?
What I dont get is why some counties paid more than others?
I thought it was a set price?"Zenica have said it is the same price to everyone. | |||
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"Never mind Solidarity will get them through . .. "The BBC's Europe editor Katya Adler says some EU governments are beginning to show impatience with Brussels, which had hoped its vaccination purchasing scheme would be a beacon of European solidarity and strength. The Commission's laboured negotiating process, the tardy approval of vaccines by the EU's medical regulator and delays now in vaccine deliveries have left EU citizens demanding answers and action, our correspondent says. Markus Söder, the Bavarian premier and Germany's possible future chancellor, told ZDF television on Friday that it was his impression that the commission "ordered too late, and only bet on a few companies, they agreed on a price in a typically bureaucratic EU procedure and completely underestimated the fundamental importance of the situation."
Is this the same katya alder who was getting slated on here the other day?
What I dont get is why some counties paid more than others?
I thought it was a set price?
Zenica have said it is the same price to everyone."Nope some countries paid more than others apparently | |||
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"Did anyone see that redacted contract they published seems they have a lot to hide
Seeing as it was a legal document, I'm guessing they had to redact quite a bit."This | |||
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"Never mind Solidarity will get them through . .. "The BBC's Europe editor Katya Adler says some EU governments are beginning to show impatience with Brussels, which had hoped its vaccination purchasing scheme would be a beacon of European solidarity and strength. The Commission's laboured negotiating process, the tardy approval of vaccines by the EU's medical regulator and delays now in vaccine deliveries have left EU citizens demanding answers and action, our correspondent says. Markus Söder, the Bavarian premier and Germany's possible future chancellor, told ZDF television on Friday that it was his impression that the commission "ordered too late, and only bet on a few companies, they agreed on a price in a typically bureaucratic EU procedure and completely underestimated the fundamental importance of the situation."
Is this the same katya alder who was getting slated on here the other day?
What I dont get is why some counties paid more than others?
I thought it was a set price?
Zenica have said it is the same price to everyone.
Nope some countries paid more than others apparently "Where have you seen that? | |||
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"it seems that in lieu of any handy conflict, Johnson has chosen a row with the EU to engorge the nation with his own brand of english nationalist fervor as the next best thing to war on another continent. as usuaal a small minority of tub-thumping tory voters are lapping it up." Boris and the tories love a U turn | |||
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"Never mind Solidarity will get them through . .. "The BBC's Europe editor Katya Adler says some EU governments are beginning to show impatience with Brussels, which had hoped its vaccination purchasing scheme would be a beacon of European solidarity and strength. The Commission's laboured negotiating process, the tardy approval of vaccines by the EU's medical regulator and delays now in vaccine deliveries have left EU citizens demanding answers and action, our correspondent says. Markus Söder, the Bavarian premier and Germany's possible future chancellor, told ZDF television on Friday that it was his impression that the commission "ordered too late, and only bet on a few companies, they agreed on a price in a typically bureaucratic EU procedure and completely underestimated the fundamental importance of the situation."
Is this the same katya alder who was getting slated on here the other day?
What I dont get is why some counties paid more than others?
I thought it was a set price?
Zenica have said it is the same price to everyone.
Nope some countries paid more than others apparently "Who? | |||
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"Never mind Solidarity will get them through . .. "The BBC's Europe editor Katya Adler says some EU governments are beginning to show impatience with Brussels, which had hoped its vaccination purchasing scheme would be a beacon of European solidarity and strength. The Commission's laboured negotiating process, the tardy approval of vaccines by the EU's medical regulator and delays now in vaccine deliveries have left EU citizens demanding answers and action, our correspondent says. Markus Söder, the Bavarian premier and Germany's possible future chancellor, told ZDF television on Friday that it was his impression that the commission "ordered too late, and only bet on a few companies, they agreed on a price in a typically bureaucratic EU procedure and completely underestimated the fundamental importance of the situation."
Is this the same katya alder who was getting slated on here the other day?
What I dont get is why some counties paid more than others?
I thought it was a set price?
Zenica have said it is the same price to everyone.
Nope some countries paid more than others apparently
Where have you seen that?"I was reading something about it before and asked the question in another thread. I assumed the vaccine was a set price but apparently not. | |||
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"Did anyone see that redacted contract they published seems they have a lot to hide "The document that the EU wanted to be published and AZ didn’t?? | |||
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"Never mind Solidarity will get them through . .. "The BBC's Europe editor Katya Adler says some EU governments are beginning to show impatience with Brussels, which had hoped its vaccination purchasing scheme would be a beacon of European solidarity and strength. The Commission's laboured negotiating process, the tardy approval of vaccines by the EU's medical regulator and delays now in vaccine deliveries have left EU citizens demanding answers and action, our correspondent says. Markus Söder, the Bavarian premier and Germany's possible future chancellor, told ZDF television on Friday that it was his impression that the commission "ordered too late, and only bet on a few companies, they agreed on a price in a typically bureaucratic EU procedure and completely underestimated the fundamental importance of the situation."
Is this the same katya alder who was getting slated on here the other day?
What I dont get is why some counties paid more than others?
I thought it was a set price?
Zenica have said it is the same price to everyone.
Nope some countries paid more than others apparently
Where have you seen that?
I was reading something about it before and asked the question in another thread.
I assumed the vaccine was a set price but apparently not."Well I'm more inclined to believe what AZ have said. And seeing as they're providing it on a not-for-profit basis I'd take their word as pretty good | |||
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"What I dont get is why some counties paid more than others? I thought it was a set price?" it appears that's what South Africa thought | |||
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"Never mind Solidarity will get them through . .. "The BBC's Europe editor Katya Adler says some EU governments are beginning to show impatience with Brussels, which had hoped its vaccination purchasing scheme would be a beacon of European solidarity and strength. The Commission's laboured negotiating process, the tardy approval of vaccines by the EU's medical regulator and delays now in vaccine deliveries have left EU citizens demanding answers and action, our correspondent says. Markus Söder, the Bavarian premier and Germany's possible future chancellor, told ZDF television on Friday that it was his impression that the commission "ordered too late, and only bet on a few companies, they agreed on a price in a typically bureaucratic EU procedure and completely underestimated the fundamental importance of the situation."
Is this the same katya alder who was getting slated on here the other day?
What I dont get is why some counties paid more than others?
I thought it was a set price?
Zenica have said it is the same price to everyone.
Nope some countries paid more than others apparently
Where have you seen that?
I was reading something about it before and asked the question in another thread.
I assumed the vaccine was a set price but apparently not."Show us where then? | |||
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"Did anyone see that redacted contract they published seems they have a lot to hide
The document that the EU wanted to be published and AZ didn’t??"It's not unusual for commercials to not want to disclose contracts | |||
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"Did anyone see that redacted contract they published seems they have a lot to hide
The document that the EU wanted to be published and AZ didn’t??" | |||
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"Never mind Solidarity will get them through . .. "The BBC's Europe editor Katya Adler says some EU governments are beginning to show impatience with Brussels, which had hoped its vaccination purchasing scheme would be a beacon of European solidarity and strength. The Commission's laboured negotiating process, the tardy approval of vaccines by the EU's medical regulator and delays now in vaccine deliveries have left EU citizens demanding answers and action, our correspondent says. Markus Söder, the Bavarian premier and Germany's possible future chancellor, told ZDF television on Friday that it was his impression that the commission "ordered too late, and only bet on a few companies, they agreed on a price in a typically bureaucratic EU procedure and completely underestimated the fundamental importance of the situation."
Is this the same katya alder who was getting slated on here the other day?
What I dont get is why some counties paid more than others?
I thought it was a set price?
Zenica have said it is the same price to everyone.
Nope some countries paid more than others apparently
Where have you seen that?
I was reading something about it before and asked the question in another thread.
I assumed the vaccine was a set price but apparently not.
Show us where then?
"I asked in the other thread as like I said I assumed they were all the same price Leroy said other countries have paid more..I'm assuming isreal are one as they have had their full allocation. | |||
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"Never mind Solidarity will get them through . .. "The BBC's Europe editor Katya Adler says some EU governments are beginning to show impatience with Brussels, which had hoped its vaccination purchasing scheme would be a beacon of European solidarity and strength. The Commission's laboured negotiating process, the tardy approval of vaccines by the EU's medical regulator and delays now in vaccine deliveries have left EU citizens demanding answers and action, our correspondent says. Markus Söder, the Bavarian premier and Germany's possible future chancellor, told ZDF television on Friday that it was his impression that the commission "ordered too late, and only bet on a few companies, they agreed on a price in a typically bureaucratic EU procedure and completely underestimated the fundamental importance of the situation."
Is this the same katya alder who was getting slated on here the other day?
What I dont get is why some counties paid more than others?
I thought it was a set price?
Zenica have said it is the same price to everyone.
Nope some countries paid more than others apparently
Where have you seen that?
I was reading something about it before and asked the question in another thread.
I assumed the vaccine was a set price but apparently not.
Show us where then?
I asked in the other thread as like I said I assumed they were all the same price
Leroy said other countries have paid more..I'm assuming isreal are one as they have had their full allocation."So 'you' assume, but not found in 'fact'? | |||
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"https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n281" TY. "South Africa’s deputy director general of health, Anban Pillay, said his government had been told that $5.25 was the set price for a country classified by the World Bank as upper-middle income. “The explanation we were given for why other high-income countries have a lower price is that they have invested in the [research and development], hence the discount,” he added." Not so much a price hike as it is a discount then. | |||
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"Did anyone see that redacted contract they published seems they have a lot to hide
Seeing as it was a legal document, I'm guessing they had to redact quite a bit."Yes such as agreed dates ect that the EU don’t want others to see
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"so NOT the same price then?" That looks like it's the case. Some may argue that those countries ie. UK, EU (27) etc have actually paid more considering they invested in vaccine manufacturers | |||
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"Never mind Solidarity will get them through . .. "The BBC's Europe editor Katya Adler says some EU governments are beginning to show impatience with Brussels, which had hoped its vaccination purchasing scheme would be a beacon of European solidarity and strength. The Commission's laboured negotiating process, the tardy approval of vaccines by the EU's medical regulator and delays now in vaccine deliveries have left EU citizens demanding answers and action, our correspondent says. Markus Söder, the Bavarian premier and Germany's possible future chancellor, told ZDF television on Friday that it was his impression that the commission "ordered too late, and only bet on a few companies, they agreed on a price in a typically bureaucratic EU procedure and completely underestimated the fundamental importance of the situation."
Is this the same katya alder who was getting slated on here the other day?
What I dont get is why some counties paid more than others?
I thought it was a set price?
Zenica have said it is the same price to everyone.
Nope some countries paid more than others apparently
Where have you seen that?
I was reading something about it before and asked the question in another thread.
I assumed the vaccine was a set price but apparently not.
Show us where then?
I asked in the other thread as like I said I assumed they were all the same price
Leroy said other countries have paid more..I'm assuming isreal are one as they have had their full allocation."Assuming you mean me I think you have mixed me up with someone else as I said no such thing. I don't know the price paid by any nation only some claims on here so would not even hazard a guess | |||
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"Did anyone see that redacted contract they published seems they have a lot to hide
Seeing as it was a legal document, I'm guessing they had to redact quite a bit.
Yes such as agreed dates ect that the EU don’t want others to see
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think?" Back to the OP, and it’s a tough question to answer because we don’t know if they are still on the lobster, or they may well have moved onto Filet Mignon or Chateaubriand at this time of year. | |||
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think? Back to the OP, and it’s a tough question to answer because we don’t know if they are still on the lobster, or they may well have moved onto Filet Mignon or Chateaubriand at this time of year." Whatever it is the UK are paying, £340,000 an hours | |||
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think? Back to the OP, and it’s a tough question to answer because we don’t know if they are still on the lobster, or they may well have moved onto Filet Mignon or Chateaubriand at this time of year. Whatever it is the UK are paying, £340,000 an hours "You mean not paying of course. | |||
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think? Back to the OP, and it’s a tough question to answer because we don’t know if they are still on the lobster, or they may well have moved onto Filet Mignon or Chateaubriand at this time of year. Whatever it is the UK are paying, £340,000 an hours
You mean not paying of course. "£20 billion ‘divorce bill’ so still paying , you can get a lot of lobster for £340,000 an hour | |||
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think? Back to the OP, and it’s a tough question to answer because we don’t know if they are still on the lobster, or they may well have moved onto Filet Mignon or Chateaubriand at this time of year." How's your lobster party going? | |||
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think? Back to the OP, and it’s a tough question to answer because we don’t know if they are still on the lobster, or they may well have moved onto Filet Mignon or Chateaubriand at this time of year. How's your lobster party going? " Great thanks, how’s your sour grapes party proceeding? | |||
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think? Back to the OP, and it’s a tough question to answer because we don’t know if they are still on the lobster, or they may well have moved onto Filet Mignon or Chateaubriand at this time of year. How's your lobster party going? Great thanks, how’s your sour grapes party proceeding?" Barrier & Van Der Leyen send their regards and thank the UK for paying for their delicious lobster & champagne . | |||
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think? Back to the OP, and it’s a tough question to answer because we don’t know if they are still on the lobster, or they may well have moved onto Filet Mignon or Chateaubriand at this time of year. Whatever it is the UK are paying, £340,000 an hours
You mean not paying of course.
£20 billion ‘divorce bill’ so still paying , you can get a lot of lobster for £340,000 an hour "Wrong - it's what we owe. Not a bill. | |||
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think? Back to the OP, and it’s a tough question to answer because we don’t know if they are still on the lobster, or they may well have moved onto Filet Mignon or Chateaubriand at this time of year. Whatever it is the UK are paying, £340,000 an hours
You mean not paying of course.
£20 billion ‘divorce bill’ so still paying , you can get a lot of lobster for £340,000 an hour
Wrong - it's what we owe. Not a bill. "Irrelevant, it is called the ‘divorce Bill’ and it is what we are still paying to the EU, lobster and champagne for all, | |||
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think? Back to the OP, and it’s a tough question to answer because we don’t know if they are still on the lobster, or they may well have moved onto Filet Mignon or Chateaubriand at this time of year. How's your lobster party going? Great thanks, how’s your sour grapes party proceeding?" Could I have a pint of bitter with that twisted... | |||
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think? Back to the OP, and it’s a tough question to answer because we don’t know if they are still on the lobster, or they may well have moved onto Filet Mignon or Chateaubriand at this time of year. Whatever it is the UK are paying, £340,000 an hours
You mean not paying of course.
£20 billion ‘divorce bill’ so still paying , you can get a lot of lobster for £340,000 an hour
Wrong - it's what we owe. Not a bill.
Irrelevant, it is called the ‘divorce Bill’ and it is what we are still paying to the EU, lobster and champagne for all, "Wrong - it is the residual amount that we owed for the contracts (and are fulfilling) that we had entered before the final deal was signed. | |||
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think? Back to the OP, and it’s a tough question to answer because we don’t know if they are still on the lobster, or they may well have moved onto Filet Mignon or Chateaubriand at this time of year. How's your lobster party going? Great thanks, how’s your sour grapes party proceeding? Could I have a pint of bitter with that twisted... " Can I have a pint of Flat, warm beer with sediment in the bottom, served in a rose-tinted glass. | |||
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think? Back to the OP, and it’s a tough question to answer because we don’t know if they are still on the lobster, or they may well have moved onto Filet Mignon or Chateaubriand at this time of year. Whatever it is the UK are paying, £340,000 an hours
You mean not paying of course.
£20 billion ‘divorce bill’ so still paying , you can get a lot of lobster for £340,000 an hour
Wrong - it's what we owe. Not a bill.
Irrelevant, it is called the ‘divorce Bill’ and it is what we are still paying to the EU, lobster and champagne for all,
Wrong - it is the residual amount that we owed for the contracts (and are fulfilling) that we had entered before
the final deal was signed.
"Again, irrelevant, here is the simple fact, we are paying £340,000 an hour to the EU for the next 5 years, that is a lot of lobster and champagne | |||
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think? Back to the OP, and it’s a tough question to answer because we don’t know if they are still on the lobster, or they may well have moved onto Filet Mignon or Chateaubriand at this time of year. Whatever it is the UK are paying, £340,000 an hours
You mean not paying of course.
£20 billion ‘divorce bill’ so still paying , you can get a lot of lobster for £340,000 an hour
Wrong - it's what we owe. Not a bill.
Irrelevant, it is called the ‘divorce Bill’ and it is what we are still paying to the EU, lobster and champagne for all,
Wrong - it is the residual amount that we owed for the contracts (and are fulfilling) that we had entered before
the final deal was signed.
Again, irrelevant, here is the simple fact, we are paying £340,000 an hour to the EU for the next 5 years, that is a lot of lobster and champagne "To fulfil our contractual obligations. | |||
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think? Back to the OP, and it’s a tough question to answer because we don’t know if they are still on the lobster, or they may well have moved onto Filet Mignon or Chateaubriand at this time of year. Whatever it is the UK are paying, £340,000 an hours
You mean not paying of course.
£20 billion ‘divorce bill’ so still paying , you can get a lot of lobster for £340,000 an hour
Wrong - it's what we owe. Not a bill.
Irrelevant, it is called the ‘divorce Bill’ and it is what we are still paying to the EU, lobster and champagne for all,
Wrong - it is the residual amount that we owed for the contracts (and are fulfilling) that we had entered before
the final deal was signed.
Again, irrelevant, here is the simple fact, we are paying £340,000 an hour to the EU for the next 5 years, that is a lot of lobster and champagne
To fulfil our contractual obligations.
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""In the early years, a lot of that will be paying for a share of spending that the EU committed to while the UK was a member, but has not yet funded. Most of the money paid in later years will be contributions towards funding the pensions of EU staff. But there will also be money paid back to the UK from things like its money in the European Investment Bank (just over £3bn) and the European Central Bank (about £50m). The UK will also receive a share of any money paid to the EU in fines that were imposed before the end of 2020, which is estimated to be worth about £1.2bn." Other projects like: Horizon Europe research scheme Euratom nuclear research programme Copernicus, the earth monitoring project Will be continued to be paid by the UK as founder and research members. " Haha, nice bit of copy and pasting, irrelevant though | |||
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""In the early years, a lot of that will be paying for a share of spending that the EU committed to while the UK was a member, but has not yet funded. Most of the money paid in later years will be contributions towards funding the pensions of EU staff. But there will also be money paid back to the UK from things like its money in the European Investment Bank (just over £3bn) and the European Central Bank (about £50m). The UK will also receive a share of any money paid to the EU in fines that were imposed before the end of 2020, which is estimated to be worth about £1.2bn." Other projects like: Horizon Europe research scheme Euratom nuclear research programme Copernicus, the earth monitoring project Will be continued to be paid by the UK as founder and research members. Haha, nice bit of copy and pasting, irrelevant though "So true because YOU write it - and not true because FACTS are copied and pasted? hahaha | |||
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"Yep, we have left, we are free from the EU, just make sure we keep sending the money though, that champagne and lobster needs paying for "" So you admit then that that's all we paid for while full members of the EU? Finally, seeing the light. | |||
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""In the early years, a lot of that will be paying for a share of spending that the EU committed to while the UK was a member, but has not yet funded. Most of the money paid in later years will be contributions towards funding the pensions of EU staff. But there will also be money paid back to the UK from things like its money in the European Investment Bank (just over £3bn) and the European Central Bank (about £50m). The UK will also receive a share of any money paid to the EU in fines that were imposed before the end of 2020, which is estimated to be worth about £1.2bn." Other projects like: Horizon Europe research scheme Euratom nuclear research programme Copernicus, the earth monitoring project Will be continued to be paid by the UK as founder and research members. Haha, nice bit of copy and pasting, irrelevant though
So true because YOU write it - and not true because FACTS are copied and pasted? hahaha"I am not disputing these ‘facts’ I am just stating they are irrelevant to the point I am making. The OP and other posters keep taking about what the EU leaders are eating, I am stating the fact that we are still paying for their delicious food and drinks, cheers | |||
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"Yep, we have left, we are free from the EU, just make sure we keep sending the money though, that champagne and lobster needs paying for " So you admit then that that's all we paid for while full members of the EU? Finally, seeing the light." Probably, and we are still paying for it | |||
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"Yep, we have left, we are free from the EU, just make sure we keep sending the money though, that champagne and lobster needs paying for " So you admit then that that's all we paid for while full members of the EU? Finally, seeing the light. Probably, and we are still paying for it "And once our fulfilment of the contract takes place - we won't be. | |||
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"Your never going to convince them that we still have obligations that the U.K. will honour be use that’s what Britain does.
They are so biter and twisted about it that they just will not let it go "Haha, I find it hilarious, these threads are started as some light hearted fun, chill out | |||
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"Yep, we have left, we are free from the EU, just make sure we keep sending the money though, that champagne and lobster needs paying for " So you admit then that that's all we paid for while full members of the EU? Finally, seeing the light. Probably, and we are still paying for it
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"Your never going to convince them that we still have obligations that the U.K. will honour be use that’s what Britain does.
They are so biter and twisted about it that they just will not let it go
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"Your never going to convince them that we still have obligations that the U.K. will honour be use that’s what Britain does.
They are so biter and twisted about it that they just will not let it go
Haha, I find it hilarious, these threads are started as some light hearted fun, chill out
Yet you choose to speak to people the way that you do.... interesting "Like what? You can be taking this thread seriously ? | |||
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"Your never going to convince them that we still have obligations that the U.K. will honour be use that’s what Britain does.
They are so biter and twisted about it that they just will not let it go
Haha, I find it hilarious, these threads are started as some light hearted fun, chill out
Yet you choose to speak to people the way that you do.... interesting
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"Better than 20 Billion a year for FOREVER!" When did we pay £20 billion | |||
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"Better than 20 Billion a year for FOREVER!" Even 60 billion a day. | |||
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"Your never going to convince them that we still have obligations that the U.K. will honour be use that’s what Britain does.
They are so biter and twisted about it that they just will not let it go
Haha, I find it hilarious, these threads are started as some light hearted fun, chill out
Yet you choose to speak to people the way that you do.... interesting
Like what? You can be taking this thread seriously ? "You know exactly what I mean. Same old condescension. Someone called you out on it and deleted their post. If it’s ‘bants’ then you’ve gone over my head, and the head of others it seems. You seemed to be taking it pretty seriously when claiming there was no evidence of the EU trying to ‘jump the queue’. Just my observation of course  | |||
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"Your never going to convince them that we still have obligations that the U.K. will honour be use that’s what Britain does.
They are so biter and twisted about it that they just will not let it go
Haha, I find it hilarious, these threads are started as some light hearted fun, chill out
Yet you choose to speak to people the way that you do.... interesting
Like what? You can be taking this thread seriously ?
You know exactly what I mean. Same old condescension. Someone called you out on it and deleted their post. If it’s ‘bants’ then you’ve gone over my head, and the head of others it seems. You seemed to be taking it pretty seriously when claiming there was no evidence of the EU trying to ‘jump the queue’. Just my observation of course "I respect your ‘observation’ , the OP is about what the EU like to drink though?? | |||
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"Sorry I missed information: £11 Billion for 2018 after abatements and refund.. However, the notional theoretical limit was set at £20 billion for 2018. " Ah, so have we ever paid £20 billion? | |||
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"Sorry I missed information: £11 Billion for 2018 after abatements and refund.. However, the notional theoretical limit was set at £20 billion for 2018. " Yes that’s more like it!  | |||
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"Sorry I missed information: £11 Billion for 2018 after abatements and refund.. However, the notional theoretical limit was set at £20 billion for 2018. Ah, so have we ever paid £20 billion? " Just said that. And wrote sorry I missed information. So. with the correct information Better than 11 Billion a year FOREVER !! | |||
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think?" Some finest VAT free sparkling from one of the UK's Vineyards. | |||
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"Sorry I missed information: £11 Billion for 2018 after abatements and refund.. However, the notional theoretical limit was set at £20 billion for 2018. Ah, so have we ever paid £20 billion? Just said that. And wrote sorry I missed information. So. with the correct information Better than 11 Billion a year FOREVER !!" How many times have we paid £11 billion? | |||
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".... in their next big meeting in Brussels, what dessert wine should they serve with their dinner. The Allure pink Morcato went down so well last time but some of the rebels are calling for Rosa Regale. What do you think? Some finest VAT free sparkling from one of the UK's Vineyards. " I bet you it’s world beating too. I’m surprised we haven’t announce yet that we have the best cuisine in the world. | |||
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"Your never going to convince them that we still have obligations that the U.K. will honour be use that’s what Britain does.
They are so biter and twisted about it that they just will not let it go
Haha, I find it hilarious, these threads are started as some light hearted fun, chill out
Yet you choose to speak to people the way that you do.... interesting
Like what? You can be taking this thread seriously ?
You know exactly what I mean. Same old condescension. Someone called you out on it and deleted their post. If it’s ‘bants’ then you’ve gone over my head, and the head of others it seems. You seemed to be taking it pretty seriously when claiming there was no evidence of the EU trying to ‘jump the queue’. Just my observation of course
I respect your ‘observation’ , the OP is about what the EU like to drink though?? "Again - took it pretty seriously while defending the EU. You chose the wrong hill to die on and someone had your pants down over it, so now the whole threads ‘a laugh’. Do carry on tho  | |||
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"Your never going to convince them that we still have obligations that the U.K. will honour be use that’s what Britain does.
They are so biter and twisted about it that they just will not let it go
Haha, I find it hilarious, these threads are started as some light hearted fun, chill out
Yet you choose to speak to people the way that you do.... interesting
Like what? You can be taking this thread seriously ?
You know exactly what I mean. Same old condescension. Someone called you out on it and deleted their post. If it’s ‘bants’ then you’ve gone over my head, and the head of others it seems. You seemed to be taking it pretty seriously when claiming there was no evidence of the EU trying to ‘jump the queue’. Just my observation of course
I respect your ‘observation’ , the OP is about what the EU like to drink though??
Again - took it pretty seriously while defending the EU. You chose the wrong hill to die on and someone had your pants down over it, so now the whole threads ‘a laugh’. Do carry on tho "Thanks for your permission, next time I want to post something I will ask you first, just to make sure you aren’t offended. | |||
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"Sorry I missed information: £11 Billion for 2018 after abatements and refund.. However, the notional theoretical limit was set at £20 billion for 2018. " I'm sure the money we will save will get spent wisely | |||
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"Your never going to convince them that we still have obligations that the U.K. will honour be use that’s what Britain does.
They are so biter and twisted about it that they just will not let it go
Haha, I find it hilarious, these threads are started as some light hearted fun, chill out
Yet you choose to speak to people the way that you do.... interesting
Like what? You can be taking this thread seriously ?
You know exactly what I mean. Same old condescension. Someone called you out on it and deleted their post. If it’s ‘bants’ then you’ve gone over my head, and the head of others it seems. You seemed to be taking it pretty seriously when claiming there was no evidence of the EU trying to ‘jump the queue’. Just my observation of course
I respect your ‘observation’ , the OP is about what the EU like to drink though??
Again - took it pretty seriously while defending the EU. You chose the wrong hill to die on and someone had your pants down over it, so now the whole threads ‘a laugh’. Do carry on tho
Thanks for your permission, next time I want to post something I will ask you first, just to make sure you aren’t offended. "Oh no please don’t, I don’t have anywhere near as much time to post as you seem to do. It’d be pretty exhausting. Just thought I’d post my thoughts as others keep deleting what they really want to say | |||
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"Sorry I missed information: £11 Billion for 2018 after abatements and refund.. However, the notional theoretical limit was set at £20 billion for 2018. Ah, so have we ever paid £20 billion? Just said that. And wrote sorry I missed information. So. with the correct information Better than 11 Billion a year FOREVER !! How many times have we paid £11 billion? Net Contributions 1973 1,087 1974 284 1975 -407 1976 1,052 1977 2,041 1978 4,066 1979 4,093 1980 2,539 1981 1,271 1982 1,796 1983 1,817 1984 1,751 1985 4,579 1986 1,386 1987 3,958 1988 2,958 1989 4,661 1990 4,611 1991 951 1992 3,438 1993 3,553 1994 3,597 1995 6,382 1996 3,583 1997 2,410 1998 6,875 1999 5,390 2000 6,098 2001 2,000 2002 4,428 2003 5,075 2004 4,046 2005 4,701 2006 4,992 2007 5,727 2008 3,985 2009 5,161 2010 8,654 2011 9,285 2012 9,569 2013 11,607 2014 10,651 2015 11,655 2016 10,206 2017 9,270 2018 9,092 2019 9,442 ______________Billions " Thanks, you missed of the 2020 amount?? | |||
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"Sorry I missed information: £11 Billion for 2018 after abatements and refund.. However, the notional theoretical limit was set at £20 billion for 2018. I'm sure the money we will save will get spent wisely" How many months of contributions did the glorious world beating app cost by the way? | |||
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"Your never going to convince them that we still have obligations that the U.K. will honour be use that’s what Britain does.
They are so biter and twisted about it that they just will not let it go
Haha, I find it hilarious, these threads are started as some light hearted fun, chill out
Yet you choose to speak to people the way that you do.... interesting
Like what? You can be taking this thread seriously ?
You know exactly what I mean. Same old condescension. Someone called you out on it and deleted their post. If it’s ‘bants’ then you’ve gone over my head, and the head of others it seems. You seemed to be taking it pretty seriously when claiming there was no evidence of the EU trying to ‘jump the queue’. Just my observation of course
I respect your ‘observation’ , the OP is about what the EU like to drink though??
Again - took it pretty seriously while defending the EU. You chose the wrong hill to die on and someone had your pants down over it, so now the whole threads ‘a laugh’. Do carry on tho
Thanks for your permission, next time I want to post something I will ask you first, just to make sure you aren’t offended.
Oh no please don’t, I don’t have anywhere near as much time to post as you seem to do. It’d be pretty exhausting. Just thought I’d post my thoughts as others keep deleting what they really want to say "Thanks again, I am touched that you made the effort and my posts have managed to trigger something with you . | |||
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"Sorry I missed information: £11 Billion for 2018 after abatements and refund.. However, the notional theoretical limit was set at £20 billion for 2018. Ah, so have we ever paid £20 billion? Just said that. And wrote sorry I missed information. So. with the correct information Better than 11 Billion a year FOREVER !! How many times have we paid £11 billion? Net Contributions 1973 1,087 1974 284 1975 -407 1976 1,052 1977 2,041 1978 4,066 1979 4,093 1980 2,539 1981 1,271 1982 1,796 1983 1,817 1984 1,751 1985 4,579 1986 1,386 1987 3,958 1988 2,958 1989 4,661 1990 4,611 1991 951 1992 3,438 1993 3,553 1994 3,597 1995 6,382 1996 3,583 1997 2,410 1998 6,875 1999 5,390 2000 6,098 2001 2,000 2002 4,428 2003 5,075 2004 4,046 2005 4,701 2006 4,992 2007 5,727 2008 3,985 2009 5,161 2010 8,654 2011 9,285 2012 9,569 2013 11,607 2014 10,651 2015 11,655 2016 10,206 2017 9,270 2018 9,092 2019 9,442 ______________Billions Thanks, you missed of the 2020 amount?? " Beg your pardon - go find it yourself. | |||
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"£225,365 Billions. " Just another £25 billion to go, | |||
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"Sorry I missed information: £11 Billion for 2018 after abatements and refund.. However, the notional theoretical limit was set at £20 billion for 2018. Ah, so have we ever paid £20 billion? Just said that. And wrote sorry I missed information. So. with the correct information Better than 11 Billion a year FOREVER !! How many times have we paid £11 billion? Net Contributions 1973 1,087 1974 284 1975 -407 1976 1,052 1977 2,041 1978 4,066 1979 4,093 1980 2,539 1981 1,271 1982 1,796 1983 1,817 1984 1,751 1985 4,579 1986 1,386 1987 3,958 1988 2,958 1989 4,661 1990 4,611 1991 951 1992 3,438 1993 3,553 1994 3,597 1995 6,382 1996 3,583 1997 2,410 1998 6,875 1999 5,390 2000 6,098 2001 2,000 2002 4,428 2003 5,075 2004 4,046 2005 4,701 2006 4,992 2007 5,727 2008 3,985 2009 5,161 2010 8,654 2011 9,285 2012 9,569 2013 11,607 2014 10,651 2015 11,655 2016 10,206 2017 9,270 2018 9,092 2019 9,442 ______________Billions Thanks, you missed of the 2020 amount?? Beg your pardon - go find it yourself. " No thanks, | |||
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"£225,365 Billions. " All well spent | |||
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"Just to add. Money we give during the exit period also will bring money back for such things as structural programmes and the like. Just as it did while full members." I thought we had left? | |||
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"Sorry I missed information: £11 Billion for 2018 after abatements and refund.. However, the notional theoretical limit was set at £20 billion for 2018. Ah, so have we ever paid £20 billion? Just said that. And wrote sorry I missed information. So. with the correct information Better than 11 Billion a year FOREVER !! How many times have we paid £11 billion? Net Contributions 1973 1,087 1974 284 1975 -407 1976 1,052 1977 2,041 1978 4,066 1979 4,093 1980 2,539 1981 1,271 1982 1,796 1983 1,817 1984 1,751 1985 4,579 1986 1,386 1987 3,958 1988 2,958 1989 4,661 1990 4,611 1991 951 1992 3,438 1993 3,553 1994 3,597 1995 6,382 1996 3,583 1997 2,410 1998 6,875 1999 5,390 2000 6,098 2001 2,000 2002 4,428 2003 5,075 2004 4,046 2005 4,701 2006 4,992 2007 5,727 2008 3,985 2009 5,161 2010 8,654 2011 9,285 2012 9,569 2013 11,607 2014 10,651 2015 11,655 2016 10,206 2017 9,270 2018 9,092 2019 9,442 ______________Billions Thanks, you missed of the 2020 amount?? Beg your pardon - go find it yourself. No thanks, "Doesn't suit the narrative huh? Thought so. | |||
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"Just to add. Money we give during the exit period also will bring money back for such things as structural programmes and the like. Just as it did while full members. I thought we had left? " Read again what I wrote: "Money we give during the exit period" | |||
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"Sorry I missed information: £11 Billion for 2018 after abatements and refund.. However, the notional theoretical limit was set at £20 billion for 2018. Ah, so have we ever paid £20 billion? Just said that. And wrote sorry I missed information. So. with the correct information Better than 11 Billion a year FOREVER !! How many times have we paid £11 billion? Net Contributions 1973 1,087 1974 284 1975 -407 1976 1,052 1977 2,041 1978 4,066 1979 4,093 1980 2,539 1981 1,271 1982 1,796 1983 1,817 1984 1,751 1985 4,579 1986 1,386 1987 3,958 1988 2,958 1989 4,661 1990 4,611 1991 951 1992 3,438 1993 3,553 1994 3,597 1995 6,382 1996 3,583 1997 2,410 1998 6,875 1999 5,390 2000 6,098 2001 2,000 2002 4,428 2003 5,075 2004 4,046 2005 4,701 2006 4,992 2007 5,727 2008 3,985 2009 5,161 2010 8,654 2011 9,285 2012 9,569 2013 11,607 2014 10,651 2015 11,655 2016 10,206 2017 9,270 2018 9,092 2019 9,442 ______________Billions Thanks, you missed of the 2020 amount?? Beg your pardon - go find it yourself. No thanks,
Doesn't suit the narrative huh? Thought so. "What narrative, you made the post? At least make it up to date | |||
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"Just to add. Money we give during the exit period also will bring money back for such things as structural programmes and the like. Just as it did while full members. I thought we had left? Read again what I wrote: "Money we give during the exit period"" Ah, so we pay the EU and they then tell us what to spend it on? | |||
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"Just to add. Money we give during the exit period also will bring money back for such things as structural programmes and the like. Just as it did while full members. I thought we had left? Read again what I wrote: "Money we give during the exit period" Ah, so we pay the EU and they then tell us what to spend it on? " You really didn't understand it when we were in it? lol | |||
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"Just to add. Money we give during the exit period also will bring money back for such things as structural programmes and the like. Just as it did while full members. I thought we had left? Read again what I wrote: "Money we give during the exit period" Ah, so we pay the EU and they then tell us what to spend it on? You really didn't understand it when we were in it? lol" Yes I did, enjoy Netflix | |||
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"Your never going to convince them that we still have obligations that the U.K. will honour be use that’s what Britain does.
They are so biter and twisted about it that they just will not let it go
Haha, I find it hilarious, these threads are started as some light hearted fun, chill out
Yet you choose to speak to people the way that you do.... interesting
Like what? You can be taking this thread seriously ?
You know exactly what I mean. Same old condescension. Someone called you out on it and deleted their post. If it’s ‘bants’ then you’ve gone over my head, and the head of others it seems. You seemed to be taking it pretty seriously when claiming there was no evidence of the EU trying to ‘jump the queue’. Just my observation of course
I respect your ‘observation’ , the OP is about what the EU like to drink though??
Again - took it pretty seriously while defending the EU. You chose the wrong hill to die on and someone had your pants down over it, so now the whole threads ‘a laugh’. Do carry on tho
Thanks for your permission, next time I want to post something I will ask you first, just to make sure you aren’t offended.
Oh no please don’t, I don’t have anywhere near as much time to post as you seem to do. It’d be pretty exhausting. Just thought I’d post my thoughts as others keep deleting what they really want to say
Thanks again, I am touched that you made the effort and my posts have managed to trigger something with you ."What can I say, your behaviour inspired me!! Anyway, time for the Married at First Sight Australia!! Less drama than in the Fab politics threads anyway!! Have fun | |||
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"Your never going to convince them that we still have obligations that the U.K. will honour be use that’s what Britain does.
They are so biter and twisted about it that they just will not let it go
Haha, I find it hilarious, these threads are started as some light hearted fun, chill out "thats a naive take on the purpose of this post ... pretty sure its gone exactly as intended | |||
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"Your never going to convince them that we still have obligations that the U.K. will honour be use that’s what Britain does.
They are so biter and twisted about it that they just will not let it go
Haha, I find it hilarious, these threads are started as some light hearted fun, chill out
thats a naive take on the purpose of this post ... pretty sure its gone exactly as intended "Have you read the OP? It is about what the EU leaders drink after dinner | |||
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"Your never going to convince them that we still have obligations that the U.K. will honour be use that’s what Britain does.
They are so biter and twisted about it that they just will not let it go
Haha, I find it hilarious, these threads are started as some light hearted fun, chill out
thats a naive take on the purpose of this post ... pretty sure its gone exactly as intended
Have you read the OP? It is about what the EU leaders drink after dinner "have you followed the green arrow and read the thread title? ... he went fishing and has a pretty full net | |||
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"Your never going to convince them that we still have obligations that the U.K. will honour be use that’s what Britain does.
They are so biter and twisted about it that they just will not let it go
Haha, I find it hilarious, these threads are started as some light hearted fun, chill out
thats a naive take on the purpose of this post ... pretty sure its gone exactly as intended
Have you read the OP? It is about what the EU leaders drink after dinner
have you followed the green arrow and read the thread title? ... he went fishing and has a pretty full net "Exactly, that is why you can’t take it seriously, it is a wind up | |||
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"I get this a tongue in cheek thread, but even I can’t bring myself to say ‘I told you so’ in the politics or virus forums. Long and short of it, people will die as a result of this. Doesn’t sit right with me to gloat no. I agree in some ways. But our outrage at them trying to stop the people of NI getting their vaccine was an important moment. It just let people see who they are, and who we are. There’s a massive disconnect between normal people and the political class. Our outrage has been here all along. But it’s brought into focus when they essentially held a gun to the heads of elderly people in NI. In the spirit of cooperation our next best move once we get to the point where we have a stockpile and can do so without risk to the GB public is offer help to Ireland. After all we share a land border with them and it would help that whole island get back to peaceful normality I we could do the right thing and help them out. " | |||
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"Your never going to convince them that we still have obligations that the U.K. will honour be use that’s what Britain does.
They are so biter and twisted about it that they just will not let it go
Haha, I find it hilarious, these threads are started as some light hearted fun, chill out
thats a naive take on the purpose of this post ... pretty sure its gone exactly as intended
Have you read the OP? It is about what the EU leaders drink after dinner
have you followed the green arrow and read the thread title? ... he went fishing and has a pretty full net
Exactly, that is why you can’t take it seriously, it is a wind up "well yes. But if you look at the date. I wrote that before they said they were going to close the Irish border. When that happened it lit the touch paper for a lot of people. If anyone needed any proof as to the sort of people that run the Eu, that was it. They have ruined European life for all of us Europeans and picking up a fortune for doing so. Love your fellow Europeans, hate the Eu. | |||
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"Meanwhile the rest of Europe must be asking themselves if Brexit is the way to go. You only have to read the European press and see what they are saying " be great if the rest of Europe would just get out. And the people of Europe just have good cooperation. | |||
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"Meanwhile the rest of Europe must be asking themselves if Brexit is the way to go. You only have to read the European press and see what they are saying " Course they are | |||
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"Meanwhile the rest of Europe must be asking themselves if Brexit is the way to go. You only have to read the European press and see what they are saying be great if the rest of Europe would just get out. And the people of Europe just have good cooperation. " Exactly
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"Meanwhile the rest of Europe must be asking themselves if Brexit is the way to go. You only have to read the European press and see what they are saying Course they are" Le Figaro:- Brexit 1 - Bruxelles 0
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"Meanwhile the rest of Europe must be asking themselves if Brexit is the way to go. You only have to read the European press and see what they are saying Course they are Le Figaro:- Brexit 1 - Bruxelles 0
And most others are running along similar lines "Unless I'm mistaken that probslly means on this issue, the eu got it wrong. | |||
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"Meanwhile the rest of Europe must be asking themselves if Brexit is the way to go. You only have to read the European press and see what they are saying be great if the rest of Europe would just get out. And the people of Europe just have good cooperation. Exactly
There is no need for presidents, commission, parliament etc etc "If the EU said ok we have gone too far, we are going back to the common market, free trade but no politics I would be happy for us to rejoin, | |||
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"Meanwhile the rest of Europe must be asking themselves if Brexit is the way to go. You only have to read the European press and see what they are saying Course they are Le Figaro:- Brexit 1 - Bruxelles 0
And most others are running along similar lines
Unless I'm mistaken that probslly means on this issue, the eu got it wrong."Yeah they certainly did, and lots of other things too, and "we" got this one thing right but have got plenty of stuff wrong too. I'm not an EU fan but using this to make politic capital is really silly. What goes around comes around. We are out of the union but we need to find ways to work together and we should use this to refine the trading agreement, not to throw rotten tomatoes at "them". Whatever our thoughts on brexit, it's done, it's decided, and it's going to be an ugly and painful journey for quite a few years yet. | |||
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"Meanwhile the rest of Europe must be asking themselves if Brexit is the way to go. You only have to read the European press and see what they are saying be great if the rest of Europe would just get out. And the people of Europe just have good cooperation. Exactly
There is no need for presidents, commission, parliament etc etc
If the EU said ok we have gone too far, we are going back to the common market, free trade but no politics I would be happy for us to rejoin, "Me too. | |||
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"Meanwhile the rest of Europe must be asking themselves if Brexit is the way to go. You only have to read the European press and see what they are saying be great if the rest of Europe would just get out. And the people of Europe just have good cooperation. Exactly
There is no need for presidents, commission, parliament etc etc
If the EU said ok we have gone too far, we are going back to the common market, free trade but no politics I would be happy for us to rejoin, Me too."You mean like the one we agreed to join in the 70s? | |||
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"Meanwhile the rest of Europe must be asking themselves if Brexit is the way to go. You only have to read the European press and see what they are saying be great if the rest of Europe would just get out. And the people of Europe just have good cooperation. Exactly
There is no need for presidents, commission, parliament etc etc
If the EU said ok we have gone too far, we are going back to the common market, free trade but no politics I would be happy for us to rejoin, "Me too | |||
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"Meanwhile the rest of Europe must be asking themselves if Brexit is the way to go. You only have to read the European press and see what they are saying be great if the rest of Europe would just get out. And the people of Europe just have good cooperation. Exactly
There is no need for presidents, commission, parliament etc etc
If the EU said ok we have gone too far, we are going back to the common market, free trade but no politics I would be happy for us to rejoin, Me too.
You mean like the one we agreed to join in the 70s? "Yup, that's the one | |||
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