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Remainers should apologise

By *uliaChris OP Couple over a year ago

westerham

Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

Lmao - Seconded.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

I’m going to say no on that one.

I hope it works out for us I really do. I want nothing more for it to be a success.

I accepted the result but I reserve the right to be disheartened and moan sometimes.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

I’m afraid not

Too many lies left unanswered and losses to the country as a whole. Happy to be pleased for Nissan and the battery works but how does that help the workers in Swindon at Honda?

"Negatives

- Financially worse off

- Borders where they’re weren’t before (internal & external

- Limited physical access to the EU

- Import/Export beaurocracy

- Reduction in Overseas Aid

- Ruination of Britains standing in the International Community as we can’t be trusted in agreements

- Loss of access to Security Data

- Loss of access to Scientific and Education exchange

- Loss of London being the major Financial Centre in Europe

- Capital flow to Dublin, Paris, Frankfurt

- Increased Tariffs & costs to goods from Europe (we buy most commercial goods from here)

- Loss of employment opportunities for people who worked in Europe

- Additional £7bn in costs to administer eu trade

- Fishing Industry screwed

- Some people are a lot less happy

- & many more

Positives

- We will not spend ~£200m per week to the EU

- Some people feel a bit happier

Net

- Financially way worse off

- No strong difference between happy/unhappy

Conclusion

- What the fuck have we done this for?

We’ve broken no agreements, it’s called negotiating, London is still and will always be the Worlds financial centre, Brussels screwed our fishing industry over the past 44 years, we have the same physical access as before, overseas aid don’t get me started (Indian space programme), etc etc etc "

- we signed into law the ability to unilateraly break the treaty - we are more like NK than a trusted country

- London cannot close Euro business in 18 months, Capital flight to EU, many jobs lost to EU

- Our own govt has done more to screw the Fishing industry in 3 weeks than the EU did in 44 years

- we do not have the same physical access. Only allowed 90 days in 185 days, so many Brits cannot stay in EU unless they get dual citizanship (usually need to show income status in country, so many cannot do it)

Overseas Dev is and always has been UK Sovereign decision as to where and how it is spent. If it went on the ‘wrong stuff before’, it will only do more so now. You can’t blame the EU.

Nothing positive then?

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

"
I agree 100% and also apologise for all the personal abuse that sadly fab seemed to allow

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"I’m going to say no on that one.

I hope it works out for us I really do. I want nothing more for it to be a success.

I accepted the result but I reserve the right to be disheartened and moan sometimes.

"
Yes the right to moan but not be abusive and lie through your teeth as many remoaners have done

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

I agree 100% and also apologise for all the personal abuse that sadly fab seemed to allow"

Says the person who wanted to spit on remain voters..

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I apologise now for not putting my faith in the collective genius of boris Johnson,paul nuttal and nigel Farage.

I realise now they were the true experts and cannot wait for my golden unicorn.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I’m going to say no on that one.

I hope it works out for us I really do. I want nothing more for it to be a success.

I accepted the result but I reserve the right to be disheartened and moan sometimes.

Yes the right to moan but not be abusive and lie through your teeth as many remoaners have done"

Another masterpiece

Calling someone names whilst complaining about being abusive.

No leaver has never lied

Ever.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"I’m afraid not

Too many lies left unanswered and losses to the country as a whole. Happy to be pleased for Nissan and the battery works but how does that help the workers in Swindon at Honda?

"Negatives

- Financially worse off

- Borders where they’re weren’t before (internal & external

- Limited physical access to the EU

- Import/Export beaurocracy

- Reduction in Overseas Aid

- Ruination of Britains standing in the International Community as we can’t be trusted in agreements

- Loss of access to Security Data

- Loss of access to Scientific and Education exchange

- Loss of London being the major Financial Centre in Europe

- Capital flow to Dublin, Paris, Frankfurt

- Increased Tariffs & costs to goods from Europe (we buy most commercial goods from here)

- Loss of employment opportunities for people who worked in Europe

- Additional £7bn in costs to administer eu trade

- Fishing Industry screwed

- Some people are a lot less happy

- & many more

Positives

- We will not spend ~£200m per week to the EU

- Some people feel a bit happier

Net

- Financially way worse off

- No strong difference between happy/unhappy

Conclusion

- What the fuck have we done this for?

- we signed into law the ability to unilateraly break the treaty - we are more like NK than a trusted country

- London cannot close Euro business in 18 months, Capital flight to EU, many jobs lost to EU

- Our own govt has done more to screw the Fishing industry in 3 weeks than the EU did in 44 years

Overseas Dev is and always has been UK Sovereign decision as to where and how it is spent. If it went on the ‘wrong stuff before’, it will only do more so now. You can’t blame the EU.

Nothing positive then? "
why is reduction in overseas aid a negative ?

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By *uliaChris OP Couple over a year ago

westerham

I was hoping for some slightly more sincere apologies ITT

Come on, you’ll feel better for it. Be humble. You have much to be humble about.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"I was hoping for some slightly more sincere apologies ITT

Come on, you’ll feel better for it. Be humble. You have much to be humble about.

List out all the things that are positive about Brexit. It doesn’t even have to be 10 things...

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"I was hoping for some slightly more sincere apologies ITT

Come on, you’ll feel better for it. Be humble. You have much to be humble about.

List out all the things that are positive about Brexit. It doesn’t even have to be 10 things..."
why Is a reduction in overseas aid a negative ? It was your post

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By *ebjonnsonMan over a year ago

Maldon

But the pound isn’t soaring.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"But the pound isn’t soaring. "
does it have too?

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

It is compared to March

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But the pound isn’t soaring. does it have too?"

In the interests of clarity.

It went up a few points over the last couple of days but has dropped back a little this morning.

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By *ebjonnsonMan over a year ago

Maldon

"But the pound isn’t soaring. does it have too?"

It needs to get back to 1.5 against the Euro

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But the pound isn’t soaring. does it have too?

It needs to get back to 1.5 against the Euro"

It's only been 1.2avg over the last 10 years

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By *uliaChris OP Couple over a year ago

westerham

I mean it’s typical we get this enormous cut and paste list a few posts above listing supposed facts, and it just doesn’t bear scrutiny.

“Loss of access to security data”

No. Legally Brussels have said the SIS database can’t be shared outside of Europe. Ok whatever. But in practice the Interpol red notices give our police and security services all the same information, it’s a non story.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I was hoping for some slightly more sincere apologies ITT

Come on, you’ll feel better for it. Be humble. You have much to be humble about.

List out all the things that are positive about Brexit. It doesn’t even have to be 10 things...why Is a reduction in overseas aid a negative ? It was your post "

You think it's a positive?

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

*********PLEASE**********

If people are going to post info' re: Brexit.

Please post info' that is factually found POST of Brexit and NOT what they THOUGHT or anyone else thought BEFORE Brexit.

In this way Positives & Negatives can be properly addressed.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"I mean it’s typical we get this enormous cut and paste list a few posts above listing supposed facts, and it just doesn’t bear scrutiny.

“Loss of access to security data”

It wasn’t cut and paste to start with. You just didn’t answer in your last post and I couldn’t be bothered to retype.

It is not a non story that we have lost access to EU security data. Waiting until a ‘red notice’ means we have no visibility in advance. Do you think that having advanced visibility of a threat might be a good thing or not?

Admit it, Brexit is shit. In many ways I would be happier that this was just accepted. It is done, pretending it looks pretty is like the Emperors New Clothes. Brexit is awful and its impact is awful.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"I’m afraid not

Too many lies left unanswered and losses to the country as a whole. Happy to be pleased for Nissan and the battery works but how does that help the workers in Swindon at Honda?

"Negatives

- Financially worse off

- Borders where they’re weren’t before (internal & external

- Limited physical access to the EU

- Import/Export beaurocracy

- Reduction in Overseas Aid

- Ruination of Britains standing in the International Community as we can’t be trusted in agreements

- Loss of access to Security Data

- Loss of access to Scientific and Education exchange

- Loss of London being the major Financial Centre in Europe

- Capital flow to Dublin, Paris, Frankfurt

- Increased Tariffs & costs to goods from Europe (we buy most commercial goods from here)

- Loss of employment opportunities for people who worked in Europe

- Additional £7bn in costs to administer eu trade

- Fishing Industry screwed

- Some people are a lot less happy

- & many more

Positives

- We will not spend ~£200m per week to the EU

- Some people feel a bit happier

Net

- Financially way worse off

- No strong difference between happy/unhappy

Conclusion

- What the fuck have we done this for?

- we signed into law the ability to unilateraly break the treaty - we are more like NK than a trusted country

- London cannot close Euro business in 18 months, Capital flight to EU, many jobs lost to EU

- Our own govt has done more to screw the Fishing industry in 3 weeks than the EU did in 44 years

Overseas Dev is and always has been UK Sovereign decision as to where and how it is spent. If it went on the ‘wrong stuff before’, it will only do more so now. You can’t blame the EU.

Nothing positive then? why is reduction in overseas aid a negative ?"

You accept the rest of them then?

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"I was hoping for some slightly more sincere apologies ITT

Come on, you’ll feel better for it. Be humble. You have much to be humble about.

List out all the things that are positive about Brexit. It doesn’t even have to be 10 things...why Is a reduction in overseas aid a negative ? It was your post

You think it's a positive?"
yes have you heard of covid Lionel we need every penny we have just now can we really afford 14.6 billion on overseas aid I think not

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"I’m afraid not

Too many lies left unanswered and losses to the country as a whole. Happy to be pleased for Nissan and the battery works but how does that help the workers in Swindon at Honda?

"Negatives

- Financially worse off

- Borders where they’re weren’t before (internal & external

- Limited physical access to the EU

- Import/Export beaurocracy

- Reduction in Overseas Aid

- Ruination of Britains standing in the International Community as we can’t be trusted in agreements

- Loss of access to Security Data

- Loss of access to Scientific and Education exchange

- Loss of London being the major Financial Centre in Europe

- Capital flow to Dublin, Paris, Frankfurt

- Increased Tariffs & costs to goods from Europe (we buy most commercial goods from here)

- Loss of employment opportunities for people who worked in Europe

- Additional £7bn in costs to administer eu trade

- Fishing Industry screwed

- Some people are a lot less happy

- & many more

Positives

- We will not spend ~£200m per week to the EU

- Some people feel a bit happier

Net

- Financially way worse off

- No strong difference between happy/unhappy

Conclusion

- What the fuck have we done this for?

- we signed into law the ability to unilateraly break the treaty - we are more like NK than a trusted country

- London cannot close Euro business in 18 months, Capital flight to EU, many jobs lost to EU

- Our own govt has done more to screw the Fishing industry in 3 weeks than the EU did in 44 years

Overseas Dev is and always has been UK Sovereign decision as to where and how it is spent. If it went on the ‘wrong stuff before’, it will only do more so now. You can’t blame the EU.

Nothing positive then? why is reduction in overseas aid a negative ?

You accept the rest of them then?

"
typical remainder ask them a question and answer with a question forget it

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I was hoping for some slightly more sincere apologies ITT

Come on, you’ll feel better for it. Be humble. You have much to be humble about.

List out all the things that are positive about Brexit. It doesn’t even have to be 10 things...why Is a reduction in overseas aid a negative ? It was your post

You think it's a positive? yes have you heard of covid Lionel we need every penny we have just now can we really afford 14.6 billion on overseas aid I think not "

So once covid is over we increase it?

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By *uliaChris OP Couple over a year ago

westerham

"*********PLEASE**********

If people are going to post info' re: Brexit.

Please post info' that is factually found POST of Brexit and NOT what they THOUGHT or anyone else thought BEFORE Brexit.

In this way Positives & Negatives can be properly addressed.

Yep ^^^^ I was going to say the same. Because of various far fetched claims I’ve ended up googling where the remainers are getting their information from, and if it’s accurate.

As per Interpol above, most of the claims are from articles written well before Brexit, not based on the deal, and are hence worthless.

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By *uliaChris OP Couple over a year ago

westerham

"I’m afraid not

Too many lies left unanswered and losses to the country as a whole. Happy to be pleased for Nissan and the battery works but how does that help the workers in Swindon at Honda?

"Negatives

- Financially worse off

- Borders where they’re weren’t before (internal & external

- Limited physical access to the EU

- Import/Export beaurocracy

- Reduction in Overseas Aid

- Ruination of Britains standing in the International Community as we can’t be trusted in agreements

- Loss of access to Security Data

- Loss of access to Scientific and Education exchange

- Loss of London being the major Financial Centre in Europe

- Capital flow to Dublin, Paris, Frankfurt

- Increased Tariffs & costs to goods from Europe (we buy most commercial goods from here)

- Loss of employment opportunities for people who worked in Europe

- Additional £7bn in costs to administer eu trade

- Fishing Industry screwed

- Some people are a lot less happy

- & many more

Positives

- We will not spend ~£200m per week to the EU

- Some people feel a bit happier

Net

- Financially way worse off

- No strong difference between happy/unhappy

Conclusion

- What the fuck have we done this for?

- we signed into law the ability to unilateraly break the treaty - we are more like NK than a trusted country

- London cannot close Euro business in 18 months, Capital flight to EU, many jobs lost to EU

- Our own govt has done more to screw the Fishing industry in 3 weeks than the EU did in 44 years

Overseas Dev is and always has been UK Sovereign decision as to where and how it is spent. If it went on the ‘wrong stuff before’, it will only do more so now. You can’t blame the EU.

Nothing positive then? why is reduction in overseas aid a negative ?

You accept the rest of them then?

Nope, I answered a few of them yesterday, they’re all equally daft TBF, on the security question even the police disagree with you:

https://www.policeprofessional.com/news/uk-not-missing-out-on-crime-intelligence-post-brexit/

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"I was hoping for some slightly more sincere apologies ITT

Come on, you’ll feel better for it. Be humble. You have much to be humble about.

List out all the things that are positive about Brexit. It doesn’t even have to be 10 things...why Is a reduction in overseas aid a negative ? It was your post

You think it's a positive? yes have you heard of covid Lionel we need every penny we have just now can we really afford 14.6 billion on overseas aid I think not

So once covid is over we increase it?"
covid won’t be just over Lionel the worst is yet to come in the form of mental health do you think it’s a good idea to give 14.6 billion away or maybe raise it to maybe 20 25 30 what’s a good number to stop at ?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I was hoping for some slightly more sincere apologies ITT

Come on, you’ll feel better for it. Be humble. You have much to be humble about.

List out all the things that are positive about Brexit. It doesn’t even have to be 10 things...why Is a reduction in overseas aid a negative ? It was your post

You think it's a positive? yes have you heard of covid Lionel we need every penny we have just now can we really afford 14.6 billion on overseas aid I think not

So once covid is over we increase it?covid won’t be just over Lionel the worst is yet to come in the form of mental health do you think it’s a good idea to give 14.6 billion away or maybe raise it to maybe 20 25 30 what’s a good number to stop at ?"

I think as a rich country we can afford to help people who are starving.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"I’m afraid not

Too many lies left unanswered and losses to the country as a whole. Happy to be pleased for Nissan and the battery works but how does that help the workers in Swindon at Honda?

"Negatives

- Financially worse off

- Borders where they’re weren’t before (internal & external

- Limited physical access to the EU

- Import/Export beaurocracy

- Reduction in Overseas Aid

- Ruination of Britains standing in the International Community as we can’t be trusted in agreements

- Loss of access to Security Data

- Loss of access to Scientific and Education exchange

- Loss of London being the major Financial Centre in Europe

- Capital flow to Dublin, Paris, Frankfurt

- Increased Tariffs & costs to goods from Europe (we buy most commercial goods from here)

- Loss of employment opportunities for people who worked in Europe

- Additional £7bn in costs to administer eu trade

- Fishing Industry screwed

- Some people are a lot less happy

- & many more

Positives

- We will not spend ~£200m per week to the EU

- Some people feel a bit happier

Net

- Financially way worse off

- No strong difference between happy/unhappy

Conclusion

- What the fuck have we done this for?

- we signed into law the ability to unilateraly break the treaty - we are more like NK than a trusted country

- London cannot close Euro business in 18 months, Capital flight to EU, many jobs lost to EU

- Our own govt has done more to screw the Fishing industry in 3 weeks than the EU did in 44 years

Overseas Dev is and always has been UK Sovereign decision as to where and how it is spent. If it went on the ‘wrong stuff before’, it will only do more so now. You can’t blame the EU.

Nothing positive then? why is reduction in overseas aid a negative ?

You accept the rest of them then?

Nope, I answered a few of them yesterday, they’re all equally daft TBF, on the security question even the police disagree with you:

https://www.policeprofessional.com/news/uk-not-missing-out-on-crime-intelligence-post-brexit/"

I don’t recall you giving any positive outcome of Brexit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I mean it’s typical we get this enormous cut and paste list a few posts above listing supposed facts, and it just doesn’t bear scrutiny.

“Loss of access to security data”

I think you confuse interpol and secret service. Interpol is simply international police and exists for when someone has fled a country of crime etc...

What we have lost is information from secret services, who don’t conduct arrests but monitor activities such as terrorism and pass data of a threat to the police if a crime is about to occur

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"I was hoping for some slightly more sincere apologies ITT

Come on, you’ll feel better for it. Be humble. You have much to be humble about.

List out all the things that are positive about Brexit. It doesn’t even have to be 10 things...why Is a reduction in overseas aid a negative ? It was your post

You think it's a positive? yes have you heard of covid Lionel we need every penny we have just now can we really afford 14.6 billion on overseas aid I think not

I think as a rich country we can afford to help people who are starving. "
I though our school kids were starving Lionel you’ve been saying that on here for months we’ve been helping starving people for decades even aid to China India richer country’s than the U.K. we have a pandemic killing people here in the U.K. is it so bad to want to spend some of that money here to help our own or is own a bad word now

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I was hoping for some slightly more sincere apologies ITT

Come on, you’ll feel better for it. Be humble. You have much to be humble about.

List out all the things that are positive about Brexit. It doesn’t even have to be 10 things...why Is a reduction in overseas aid a negative ? It was your post

You think it's a positive? yes have you heard of covid Lionel we need every penny we have just now can we really afford 14.6 billion on overseas aid I think not

I think as a rich country we can afford to help people who are starving. I though our school kids were starving Lionel you’ve been saying that on here for months we’ve been helping starving people for decades even aid to China India richer country’s than the U.K. we have a pandemic killing people here in the U.K. is it so bad to want to spend some of that money here to help our own or is own a bad word now "

They are.

And the fact that they are Is nothing to do with us sending money to Africa.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"I was hoping for some slightly more sincere apologies ITT

Come on, you’ll feel better for it. Be humble. You have much to be humble about.

List out all the things that are positive about Brexit. It doesn’t even have to be 10 things...why Is a reduction in overseas aid a negative ? It was your post

You think it's a positive? yes have you heard of covid Lionel we need every penny we have just now can we really afford 14.6 billion on overseas aid I think not

They are.

And the fact that they are Is nothing to do with us sending money to Africa."
so you wpuldnt prefer some of that money spent on the U.K. hungry school kids then or is there enough money to go round then ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I was hoping for some slightly more sincere apologies ITT

Come on, you’ll feel better for it. Be humble. You have much to be humble about.

List out all the things that are positive about Brexit. It doesn’t even have to be 10 things...why Is a reduction in overseas aid a negative ? It was your post

You think it's a positive? yes have you heard of covid Lionel we need every penny we have just now can we really afford 14.6 billion on overseas aid I think not

I think you need to compare what we mean by starving here and starving abroad,

We have hungry children here

There are starving children in Somalia.

Food poverty may mean only 1 meal a day here.

Food poverty in Sudan means 1 sweet potato a week

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I was hoping for some slightly more sincere apologies ITT

Come on, you’ll feel better for it. Be humble. You have much to be humble about.

List out all the things that are positive about Brexit. It doesn’t even have to be 10 things...why Is a reduction in overseas aid a negative ? It was your post

You think it's a positive? yes have you heard of covid Lionel we need every penny we have just now can we really afford 14.6 billion on overseas aid I think not

They are.

And the fact that they are Is nothing to do with us sending money to Africa.so you wpuldnt prefer some of that money spent on the U.K. hungry school kids then or is there enough money to go round then ?"

It's not that simple

Do you honestly think that money not going to Africa will go to feed the kids here?

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"I was hoping for some slightly more sincere apologies ITT

Come on, you’ll feel better for it. Be humble. You have much to be humble about.

List out all the things that are positive about Brexit. It doesn’t even have to be 10 things...why Is a reduction in overseas aid a negative ? It was your post

You think it's a positive? yes have you heard of covid Lionel we need every penny we have just now can we really afford 14.6 billion on overseas aid I think not

They are.

It's not that simple

Do you honestly think that money not going to Africa will go to feed the kids here?"
Lionel you know fine well not all the money goes to feed the people if only it did there governments are as corrupt as any in the world do you think there army’s starve while there people tuck in ffs

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By *uliaChris OP Couple over a year ago

westerham

"I mean it’s typical we get this enormous cut and paste list a few posts above listing supposed facts, and it just doesn’t bear scrutiny.

“Loss of access to security data”

I think you confuse interpol and secret service. Interpol is simply international police and exists for when someone has fled a country of crime etc...

What we have lost is information from secret services, who don’t conduct arrests but monitor activities such as terrorism and pass data of a threat to the police if a crime is about to occur"

That doesn’t ring true. National security services simply don’t share anyway unless they have to. Please post a link proving this.

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By *dsindyTV/TS over a year ago

East Lancashire

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

I agree 100% and also apologise for all the personal abuse that sadly fab seemed to allow

Says the person who wanted to spit on remain voters..

Amongst other things....the green arrow tells all.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

The Actual Deal is:

6. Part 3 – Law Enforcement and Judicial Cooperation in Criminal Matters

134. The safety and security of our citizens is the Government’s top priority. The Agreement provides a comprehensive package of operational capabilities that will help protect the public and bring criminals to justice.

Title I – General provisions

135. The scope of this Part, as set out in the General Provisions, is to provide for law enforcement and judicial cooperation between the UK, the EU and its Member States in relation to the prevention, investigation, detection and prosecution of criminal offences and the prevention of and fight against money laundering and financing of terrorism.

136. The Agreement is based on a shared and longstanding respect for democracy, the rule of law and protection of fundamental rights. Any cooperation that takes place under this Part must be done in compliance with human rights.

Title II – Exchanges of DNA, fingerprints and vehicle registration data

137. The Agreement provides for the fast and effective exchange of national DNA, fingerprint and vehicle registration data between the UK and individual EU Member States to aid law enforcement agencies in investigating crime and terrorism.

138. DNA and fingerprint data will continue to be exchanged through the Pru¨m system and the Agreement enables the exchange of vehicle registration data in the future, in line with precedents between the EU and Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland. This will enable us to build on the current operational benefits derived from our Pru¨m connections on DNA, which have been live since July 2019 and expand our fingerprints connections which commenced in October 2020.

Title III - Transfer and processing of Passenger Name Record data

139. The Agreement provides for transfers of PNR data from the EU to the UK to be used to protect the public from terrorism and serious crime.

140. The Agreement is based on precedents for PNR agreements between the EU and third countries such as Australia and the US. It provides for more frequent transfers of PNR data from airlines to the UK prior to flights taking off between the EU and the UK than current arrangements. The agreement also provides for specific data protection safeguards, for a period of implementation during which the UK will make necessary technical adjustments to its systems to effectively operate those safeguards, and for cooperation between the UK and EU authorities that use PNR data.

Title IV - Cooperation on operational information

141. The Agreement provides an additional basis for bilateral law enforcement cooperation to continue between the UK and EU Member States at the end of the transition period.

142. This includes information sharing in response to requests, as well as the spontaneous provision of information, including that which relates to wanted and missing persons and objects.

Title V - Cooperation with Europol

143. The Agreement supports effective multilateral cooperation between the UK and EU Member States through Europol on serious and organised crime and terrorism. In line with third country precedent, it does not provide for membership of Europol.

144. The Agreement is broadly in line with those that Europol has with third countries such as the US but takes account of the scale and nature of the UK’s contribution to the Agency. It enables the presence of UK liaison officers in Europol headquarters alongside their EU counterparts to facilitate cross- border cooperation, UK access to the SIENA secure messaging system and the fast and effective exchange of data, including personal data. This Agreement will be supplemented by more detailed administrative and working arrangements between the UK and the Agency.

Title VI - Cooperation with Eurojust

145. The Agreement supports effective multilateral cooperation between the UK and EU Member States through Eurojust on the investigation and prosecution of serious cross-border criminal cases. In line with third country precedent, it does not provide for membership of Eurojust.

146. The Agreement is broadly in line with those that Eurojust has with third countries such as the US but takes account of the scale and nature of the UK’s contribution to the Agency. It enables the UK to second a Liaison Prosecutor and their Assistants to Eurojust headquarters alongside their EU counterparts, and for the UK to exchange personal data and information with Eurojust. The Agreement will be supplemented by a more detailed working arrangement between the UK and the Agency.

Title VII - Surrender

147. The Agreement provides for streamlined extradition arrangements, akin to the EU’s Surrender Agreement with Norway and Iceland, but with appropriate further safeguards for individuals beyond those in the European Arrest Warrant.

148. To streamline cooperation, the Agreement provides for direct transmission between judicial authorities, limited grounds for refusal and time- limited processes. It also includes additional provisions which make clear that a person’s surrender can be refused if their fundamental rights are at risk, extradition would be disproportionate, or they are likely to face long periods of pre-trial detention. Where extradition of own nationals from certain EU Member States is not possible due to their constitutional principles, we have ensured there is nevertheless a path to justice in every case, for example, by obliging EU Member States to refer cases to their own prosecution authorities.

Title VIII - Mutual Assistance

149. The Agreement supports effective cooperation on mutual legal assistance in criminal matters supplementing the relevant Council of Europe Conventions by providing for streamlined processes, including standard formats for making requests and specific timescales for action.

150. The Agreement provides for direct transmission allowing UK prosecutors to send requests directly to competent authorities in EU Member States. This will ensure action can be taken quickly and effectively.

Title IX - Exchange of criminal record information

151. The Agreement provides for the fast and effective exchange of criminal records data between the UK and individual EU Member States, recognising that this is important for investigations, prosecutions and sentencing, as well as for wider community safety.

152. The arrangements include streamlined and time-limited processes for exchanging criminal records information and specify that information can be exchanged for crime prevention and safeguarding purposes. The Agreement provides that criminal records will continue to be exchanged between the UK and EU Member States through shared technical infrastructure.

Title X - Anti-Money Laundering and counter-terrorist financing

153. The Agreement commits the UK and EU to support international efforts to prevent and fight against money laundering and terrorist financing, exchange relevant information, and maintain comprehensive anti-money laundering and counter-terrorist financing regimes.

154. The Agreement commits the UK and EU to maintain high standards of beneficial ownership transparency. It goes beyond the international Financial Action Task Force Standards (FATF) in requiring registers of beneficial ownership of corporate entities and includes provisions on beneficial ownership of legal arrangements that are in line with the FATF Standards.

Title XI - Freezing and confiscation

155. The Agreement supports effective cooperation on asset freezing and confiscation, supplementing the relevant Council of Europe Conventions by providing for streamlined processes, including standard formats for making requests and specific timescales for action.

156. The Agreement provides for more limited grounds for refusal of a request allowing for the broadest cooperation possible.

Title XII – Other provisions

157. The Agreement sets out the specific circumstances in which either Party can suspend or terminate this area of cooperation, reflecting the different nature of this Part. For example, in addition to being able to terminate the law enforcement Part for any reason, either Party may suspend cooperation where it considers there are serious and systemic deficiencies in the way the other Party is protecting fundamental rights, the rule of law or data protection.

Title XIII - Dispute settlement

158. The dispute settlement mechanism for the Law Enforcement Part is political in nature and only involves the Parties, with no arbitration or role for the CJEU. In the event of a dispute the parties can avail themselves of a time limited, consultations procedure in order to reach a mutually agreed solution.

Seems pretty well sorted to me.

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By *losguygl3Man over a year ago

Gloucester

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

Apologies!?! For what? We didn't vote to make our great nation worse off.

Right now I'm too busy laughing and saying 'I told you so'

And as for the Nissan announcement, it's good for jobs. But the cost of importing all the raw materials to make batteries has now gone up. And it's not Nissan who will foot the bill!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers. "

I assume that the above had been written as a joke.

Nissan is keeping its factory so great but the only doubt was due to Brexit therefore no change.

The pound soaring - you are easily pleased. An increase of 0.03% is not soaring and coming from rock bottom, I would expect better.

The economy going to go in leaps and bounds. Well it has to. The last few years the economy has plummeted. It can only improve but the rate at which it improves in relation to that in the EU is the market. Not some arbitrary rate based on being at the bottom.

Delighted about Nissan and excellent news.

Should it ot be the Brexiteers apologising for even putting these poor employees in such a position of risk?

Since I doubt any Brexiteer will apologise of anything that has happened, I have a long wait.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

has UK enough of the raw materials to satisfy the rules of origin to avoid export tax? who are nissan currently buying batteries from that makes this such a boon?

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"has UK enough of the raw materials to satisfy the rules of origin to avoid export tax? who are nissan currently buying batteries from that makes this such a boon?"

There is a world shortage of battery components simply because ALL the car manufacturers are in a race to build electric cars - it's a world story hi-jacked to make it a Brexit Story.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Actual Deal is:

6. Part 3 – Law Enforcement and Judicial Cooperation in Criminal Matters

Title I – General provisions

Title II – Exchanges of DNA, fingerprints and vehicle registration data

Title III - Transfer and processing of Passenger Name Record data

139. The Agreement provides for transfers of PNR data from the EU to the UK to be used to protect the public from terrorism and serious crime.

Title IV - Cooperation on operational information

141. The Agreement provides an additional basis for bilateral law enforcement cooperation to continue between the UK and EU Member States at the end of the transition period.

142. This includes information sharing in response to requests, as well as the spontaneous provision of information, including that which relates to wanted and missing persons and objects.

Title V - Cooperation with Europol

Title VI - Cooperation with Eurojust

Title VII - Surrender

Title VIII - Mutual Assistance

Title IX - Exchange of criminal record information

Title X - Anti-Money Laundering and counter-terrorist financing

Title XI - Freezing and confiscation

156. The Agreement provides for more limited grounds for refusal of a request allowing for the broadest cooperation possible.

Title XII – Other provisions

Title XIII - Dispute settlement

Seems pretty well sorted to me."

No one cares about that Cat.

It doesn't suit their thinking

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"has UK enough of the raw materials to satisfy the rules of origin to avoid export tax? who are nissan currently buying batteries from that makes this such a boon?

There is a world shortage of battery components simply because ALL the car manufacturers are in a race to build electric cars - it's a world story hi-jacked to make it a Brexit Story.

i was hoping for somebody who actually had some real answers to some real question there. never mind

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

Apologies!?! For what? We didn't vote to make our great nation worse off.

Right now I'm too busy laughing and saying 'I told you so'

And as for the Nissan announcement, it's good for jobs. But the cost of importing all the raw materials to make batteries has now gone up. And it's not Nissan who will foot the bill!"

Lithium doesn't originate in the EU so the cost in terms of any duties shouldn't change.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

so where is the competative edge?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"so where is the competative edge?

Youd have to ask the chief.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"has UK enough of the raw materials to satisfy the rules of origin to avoid export tax? who are nissan currently buying batteries from that makes this such a boon?

There is a world shortage of battery components simply because ALL the car manufacturers are in a race to build electric cars - it's a world story hi-jacked to make it a Brexit Story.

i was hoping for somebody who actually had some real answers to some real question there. never mind

Actually. The World shortage of battery components because everyone is making electric cars at the same time is a REAL answer. Might not be the one you want but it's the truth.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"so where is the competative edge?

Youd have to ask the chief."

Secret UK government aid??

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"has UK enough of the raw materials to satisfy the rules of origin to avoid export tax? who are nissan currently buying batteries from that makes this such a boon?

There is a world shortage of battery components simply because ALL the car manufacturers are in a race to build electric cars - it's a world story hi-jacked to make it a Brexit Story.

i was hoping for somebody who actually had some real answers to some real question there. never mind

Actually. The World shortage of battery components because everyone is making electric cars at the same time is a REAL answer. Might not be the one you want but it's the truth."

it's ok. i will wait for somebody who knows something about the subject to answer instead.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"so where is the competative edge?

Youd have to ask the chief.

Secret UK government aid??

Ashwani Gupta, Nissan's COO.

Saying as he is the person who said it, he's probably best placed to answer

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"The Actual Deal is:

6. Part 3 – Law Enforcement and Judicial Cooperation in Criminal Matters

Title I – General provisions

Title II – Exchanges of DNA, fingerprints and vehicle registration data

Title III - Transfer and processing of Passenger Name Record data

139. The Agreement provides for transfers of PNR data from the EU to the UK to be used to protect the public from terrorism and serious crime.

Title IV - Cooperation on operational information

141. The Agreement provides an additional basis for bilateral law enforcement cooperation to continue between the UK and EU Member States at the end of the transition period.

142. This includes information sharing in response to requests, as well as the spontaneous provision of information, including that which relates to wanted and missing persons and objects.

Title V - Cooperation with Europol

Title VI - Cooperation with Eurojust

Title VII - Surrender

Title VIII - Mutual Assistance

Title IX - Exchange of criminal record information

Title X - Anti-Money Laundering and counter-terrorist financing

Title XI - Freezing and confiscation

156. The Agreement provides for more limited grounds for refusal of a request allowing for the broadest cooperation possible.

Title XII – Other provisions

Title XIII - Dispute settlement

Seems pretty well sorted to me.

No one cares about that Cat.

It doesn't suit their thinking

And that's just it isn't it - When I read something I think that's interesting, whether I want to believe it or not - so I go look and find the real story, not the Political one or the Opinion of some journo' hack - the real story factually driven.

I just wish others would too.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"has UK enough of the raw materials to satisfy the rules of origin to avoid export tax? who are nissan currently buying batteries from that makes this such a boon?

There is a world shortage of battery components simply because ALL the car manufacturers are in a race to build electric cars - it's a world story hi-jacked to make it a Brexit Story.

i was hoping for somebody who actually had some real answers to some real question there. never mind

Actually. The World shortage of battery components because everyone is making electric cars at the same time is a REAL answer. Might not be the one you want but it's the truth.

it's ok. i will wait for somebody who knows something about the subject to answer instead."

So the world shortage of battery parts isn't REAL?

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

Maybe Forbes is more expert for you . . .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2020/03/25/manufacturers-are-struggling-to-supply-electric-vehicles-with-batteries/

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

or Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lithium-electric-tesla-exclusive-idUSKCN1S81QS

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"so where is the competative edge?

Youd have to ask the chief.

Secret UK government aid??

Ashwani Gupta, Nissan's COO.

Saying as he is the person who said it, he's probably best placed to answer

Indeed he did, Nissan received ‘secret government aid ‘ in 2016, maybe they have had another £61 million

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

which question does 'There is a world shortage of battery components simply because ALL the car manufacturers are in a race to build electric cars' answer?

question A:

has UK enough of the raw materials to satisfy the rules of origin to avoid export tax?

question B:

who are nissan currently buying batteries from that makes this such a boon?

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By *uliaChris OP Couple over a year ago

westerham

""Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers. "

I assume that the above had been written as a joke.

Nissan is keeping its factory so great but the only doubt was due to Brexit therefore no change.

The pound soaring - you are easily pleased. An increase of 0.03% is not soaring and coming from rock bottom, I would expect better.

Delighted about Nissan and excellent news.

Should it ot be the Brexiteers apologising for even putting these poor employees in such a position of risk?

Since I doubt any Brexiteer will apologise of anything that has happened, I have a long wait."

In reality, Nissan is quite a turnaround.

Thanks to the Germans causing dieselgate, Nissans heavily diesel dominated line up threw the factory into doubt, not Brexit.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"which question does 'There is a world shortage of battery components simply because ALL the car manufacturers are in a race to build electric cars' answer?

question A:

has UK enough of the raw materials to satisfy the rules of origin to avoid export tax?

question B:

who are nissan currently buying batteries from that makes this such a boon?

You said I didn't know what I was talking about - yet I proved I did.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"which question does 'There is a world shortage of battery components simply because ALL the car manufacturers are in a race to build electric cars' answer?

question A:

has UK enough of the raw materials to satisfy the rules of origin to avoid export tax?

question B:

who are nissan currently buying batteries from that makes this such a boon?

You said I didn't know what I was talking about - yet I proved I did."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"so where is the competative edge?

Youd have to ask the chief.

Secret UK government aid??

Ashwani Gupta, Nissan's COO.

Saying as he is the person who said it, he's probably best placed to answer

Indeed he did, Nissan received ‘secret government aid ‘ in 2016, maybe they have had another £61 million

Or maybe he thinks it's given them a competitive edge.

Why don't you ask him?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"You said I didn't know what I was talking about - yet I proved I did.

in reality, by not answering the two questions, 'has UK enough of the raw materials to satisfy the rules of origin to avoid export tax? who are nissan currently buying batteries from that makes this such a boon?' proves otherwise

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

By degree, I agree with State Aid - where the concern is a corporation and not just some wealthy individual failing to use their own wealth to support his/her own business in the first instance or that they have failed to seek financial assistance through third non-governmental parties. And only where it can be proved to save substantial jobs and communities and downstream suppliers.

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By *uliaChris OP Couple over a year ago

westerham

"which question does 'There is a world shortage of battery components simply because ALL the car manufacturers are in a race to build electric cars' answer?

question A:

has UK enough of the raw materials to satisfy the rules of origin to avoid export tax?

question B:

who are nissan currently buying batteries from that makes this such a boon?

Lol what on Earth are you on about? Do you know what you’re on about? I can’t make head or tail of that word soup but I’m sure it’s nothing to do with Brexit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You said I didn't know what I was talking about - yet I proved I did.

You already know the answer to the first part re. raw materials. Being that Lithium is only available in bulk from 5/6 in the whole world.

The second part, no idea. But don't you think it's good that they'll be using British made?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"so where is the competative edge?

Youd have to ask the chief.

Secret UK government aid??

Ashwani Gupta, Nissan's COO.

Saying as he is the person who said it, he's probably best placed to answer

Indeed he did, Nissan received ‘secret government aid ‘ in 2016, maybe they have had another £61 million

Or maybe he thinks it's given them a competitive edge.

Why don't you ask him?

I have, he said it was confidential, joking apart this is great news for Nissan workers, especially as they have had to suffer with uncertainty for the last 4 years

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"so where is the competative edge?

Youd have to ask the chief.

Secret UK government aid??

Ashwani Gupta, Nissan's COO.

Saying as he is the person who said it, he's probably best placed to answer

Indeed he did, Nissan received ‘secret government aid ‘ in 2016, maybe they have had another £61 million

Or maybe he thinks it's given them a competitive edge.

Why don't you ask him?

I have, he said it was confidential, joking apart this is great news for Nissan workers, especially as they have had to suffer with uncertainty for the last 4 years "

It's been way longer than 4 years that the future of Sunderland plant has been uncertain.

But yeah, we'll agree. It's great news

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"You said I didn't know what I was talking about - yet I proved I did.

You already know the answer to the first part re. raw materials. Being that Lithium is only available in bulk from 5/6 in the whole world.

The second part, no idea. But don't you think it's good that they'll be using British made?"

if the exported batteies avoid export tariffs because the percentage of raw materials required are of UK orign are satisfied then possibly, but there is no evidence of that despite some people extoling the virtues of nissans press statement. until those who are lauding the news come up with some real facts then it's all just surmise of the most fantastical degree.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You said I didn't know what I was talking about - yet I proved I did.

You already know the answer to the first part re. raw materials. Being that Lithium is only available in bulk from 5/6 in the whole world.

The second part, no idea. But don't you think it's good that they'll be using British made?

This news secures the jobs for 1000s of people.

The batteries being made here adds to the UK economy regardless of whether export taxes will be paid on them or not.

I think you've just taken the Remainers stance to a new level, I really do

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You said I didn't know what I was talking about - yet I proved I did.

You already know the answer to the first part re. raw materials. Being that Lithium is only available in bulk from 5/6 in the whole world.

The second part, no idea. But don't you think it's good that they'll be using British made?

This news secures the jobs for 1000s of people.

The batteries being made here adds to the UK economy regardless of whether export taxes will be paid on them or not.

I think you've just taken the Remainers stance to a new level, I really do

Hopefully this good news will persuade Tesla to invest in the UK aswell

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

I think you've just taken the Remainers stance to a new level, I really do

really? i asked a genuine question and you offer insults. que sopresa

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"You said I didn't know what I was talking about - yet I proved I did.

You already know the answer to the first part re. raw materials. Being that Lithium is only available in bulk from 5/6 in the whole world.

The second part, no idea. But don't you think it's good that they'll be using British made?

This news secures the jobs for 1000s of people.

The batteries being made here adds to the UK economy regardless of whether export taxes will be paid on them or not.

I think you've just taken the Remainers stance to a new level, I really do

Hopefully this good news will persuade Tesla to invest in the UK aswell "

Faraday Institution CEO Neil Morris is relatively optimistic about the prospect, and told The Engineer (industry journal) that whilst the clock is definitely ticking, a combination of existing expertise and government support make the UK an attractive destination for battery investment.

Perhaps the most obvious of these attractions is the UK’s current position as Europe’s fourth largest vehicle manufacturer. And whilst failure to invest in battery scale up could see it drop down the rankings, Morris believes that the existing base is attractive to investors keen to tap into ready markets for their technology. “One of the key criteria battery manufacturers look to when placing a battery factory is proximity to car manufacturing,” he said. He added that the UK’s aforementioned historical pedigree – though in many senses an all too familiar tale of missed opportunities – is also a positive that has created a legacy of skilled workers and facilities that offer a strong platform to build on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You said I didn't know what I was talking about - yet I proved I did.

You already know the answer to the first part re. raw materials. Being that Lithium is only available in bulk from 5/6 in the whole world.

The second part, no idea. But don't you think it's good that they'll be using British made?

This news secures the jobs for 1000s of people.

The batteries being made here adds to the UK economy regardless of whether export taxes will be paid on them or not.

I think you've just taken the Remainers stance to a new level, I really do

Hopefully this good news will persuade Tesla to invest in the UK aswell

Good news, especially as Elon Musk stated that his decision to build a plant in Germany instead of the UK was due to Brexit

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

Hopefully this good news will persuade Tesla to invest in the UK aswell

Good news, especially as Elon Musk stated that his decision to build a plant in Germany instead of the UK was due to Brexit "

And he jumped the gun before the deal was done.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

And similarly, snakes and lizards have given him problems lol.

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By *ebjonnsonMan over a year ago

Maldon

"so where is the competative edge?

Youd have to ask the chief.

Secret UK government aid??

Ashwani Gupta, Nissan's COO.

Saying as he is the person who said it, he's probably best placed to answer

Indeed he did, Nissan received ‘secret government aid ‘ in 2016, maybe they have had another £61 million

Or maybe he thinks it's given them a competitive edge.

Why don't you ask him?

I have, he said it was confidential, joking apart this is great news for Nissan workers, especially as they have had to suffer with uncertainty for the last 4 years

It's been way longer than 4 years that the future of Sunderland plant has been uncertain.

But yeah, we'll agree. It's great news"

Every car plant in the world faces an uncertain future. Always subject to buying changes, competitive issues etc, the move east to cheaper labour. It’s why Ecclestone never actively courted car brands, too flakey and subject to a poor quarter sales result.

I assume that Ford have prepared for the end of the Dagenham engine plant due to the phasing out of the internal combustion engine. There goes a few thousand jobs.

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By *uliaChris OP Couple over a year ago

westerham

I’m still waiting on those apologies

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think you've just taken the Remainers stance to a new level, I really do

really? i asked a genuine question and you offer insults. que sopresa"

Did I?

I offered answers to your questions

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m still waiting on those apologies "

We are still waiting for the Brexit benefits

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hopefully this good news will persuade Tesla to invest in the UK aswell

Good news, especially as Elon Musk stated that his decision to build a plant in Germany instead of the UK was due to Brexit

And he jumped the gun before the deal was done."

I doubt he cares, he is the richest man in the world, I think he knows what he is doing

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

Hopefully this good news will persuade Tesla to invest in the UK aswell

Good news, especially as Elon Musk stated that his decision to build a plant in Germany instead of the UK was due to Brexit

And he jumped the gun before the deal was done.

I doubt he cares, he is the richest man in the world, I think he knows what he is doing

"
I would have thought he might be a bit more patriotic and built them in S Africa.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"I offered answers to your questions "

where?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I offered answers to your questions

where?

Scroll a little. It won't be hard to find

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

i did.. and there is no answer apart from 'ask the chief' and some insults

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i did.. and there is no answer apart from 'ask the chief' and some insults

I haven't thrown any insults

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By *L RogueMan over a year ago

London

Going back to the OP: No.

Any benefits of leaving won't be realised until 30 to 50 years from now. Jacob Rees-Mogg's words, not mine. So an apology would be on the speculation that it'll be a complete success. At this early stage, it's inconclusive. So feel free to put up good news but ultimately, it'll be the long term effects for which our future will be judged.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Now this isn't an attack on leaving the EU. This is an acknowledgement that there will be teething problems, big and small. There will also be progress, big and small. My point is you need to acknowledge them in the same way you seek positives. In order for this to work, we have to stop acting like it'll be easy. Seeking an "apology" shows that you seriously underestimate the difficulties of the road ahead.

You may not like what remainers, remoaners, whatever you call them have to say but they are also British citizens and also have vested interest in the country's success. You need them now more than ever for this country to prosper.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

I haven't read your link but I agree that there will be good and bad. I'm also pretty sure that most Brexit supporters on here would think the same way.

I speak for myself though when I say I never ever thought it would be easy. The reason Brexit supporters post the good stories is because we have endured 5 years of 'it's a disaster' but also because we are bombarded with the bad stories.

Have you seen this forum??

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Posted that the other week

Bafflingly ,it didnt receive many comments.

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By *renzMan over a year ago

Between Chichester and Havant

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Unfortunately reading what many of them write on here, it does rather seem as if they don't wish this country to prosper. Or that they have any vested interest, despite living here, although not all do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

You could say the exact same thing about leave voters?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

I haven't read your link but I agree that there will be good and bad. I'm also pretty sure that most Brexit supporters on here would think the same way.

Have you seen this forum??"

Let's be honest.

The leavers are going to jump on any good news and the remainers will look at the negatives.

We wont know the full picture for a few years..perhaps even not then.

I said a while ago Brexit exposed massive divisions in this country, which arent going away any time soon.

Remember that fucking ludicrous get Brexit done slogan?

Did people actually think once brext was done and dusted,it would be over?

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Posted that the other week

Bafflingly ,it didnt receive many comments."
Probably because they still seem to revel in any disruption in the news to validate that even though they lost they were right.

If they truly have a vested intrest in the country they should get behind making it work instead of being negative all the time.

As a great man once said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Posted that the other week

Bafflingly ,it didnt receive many comments.Probably because they still seem to revel in any disruption in the news to validate that even though they lost they were right.

If they truly have a vested intrest in the country they should get behind making it work instead of being negative all the time.

As a great man once said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country."

Why didn’t you ‘get behind making it work’ when we were in the EU?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Posted that the other week

Bafflingly ,it didnt receive many comments.Probably because they still seem to revel in any disruption in the news to validate that even though they lost they were right.

If they truly have a vested intrest in the country they should get behind making it work instead of being negative all the time.

As a great man once said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

Why didn’t you ‘get behind making it work’ when we were in the EU? "

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Posted that the other week

Bafflingly ,it didnt receive many comments.Probably because they still seem to revel in any disruption in the news to validate that even though they lost they were right.

If they truly have a vested intrest in the country they should get behind making it work instead of being negative all the time.

As a great man once said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

Why didn’t you ‘get behind making it work’ when we were in the EU? "
Well thats easy to answer the majority wanted to leave.

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By *renzMan over a year ago

Between Chichester and Havant

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

You could say the exact same thing about leave voters? "

YOU could and would!

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

This 'you lost get behind it'argumrnt is highly ironic when you consider the media has been banging the anti EU drum for the last 3 decades, and didnt Farage talk about protests on the streets if we had a 2nd referendum?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Posted that the other week

Bafflingly ,it didnt receive many comments.Probably because they still seem to revel in any disruption in the news to validate that even though they lost they were right.

If they truly have a vested intrest in the country they should get behind making it work instead of being negative all the time.

As a great man once said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

Why didn’t you ‘get behind making it work’ when we were in the EU? Well thats easy to answer the majority wanted to leave."

That didn’t answer my question, why didn’t the likes of Farage UKIP and the Brexit party ‘get behind making it work’ whilst we were in the EU?

As a great man once said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

You could say the exact same thing about leave voters?

YOU could and would! "

Yes, and I have ,

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"This 'you lost get behind it'argumrnt is highly ironic when you consider the media has been banging the anti EU drum for the last 3 decades, and didnt Farage talk about protests on the streets if we had a 2nd referendum?"

So are you saying it was only the media and farage that wanted to leave Europe. Because that's a bit of a poke in the eye for the 17,410,742 citizens of the UK who actually voted to leave.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So are you saying it was only the media and farage that wanted to leave Europe. Because that's a bit of a poke in the eye for the 17,410,742 citizens of the UK who actually voted to leave."

Are you suggesting that Farage and UKIP were not a contributing factor in the 2016 referendum?

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Posted that the other week

Bafflingly ,it didnt receive many comments.Probably because they still seem to revel in any disruption in the news to validate that even though they lost they were right.

If they truly have a vested intrest in the country they should get behind making it work instead of being negative all the time.

As a great man once said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

Why didn’t you ‘get behind making it work’ when we were in the EU? Well thats easy to answer the majority wanted to leave.

That didn’t answer my question, why didn’t the likes of Farage UKIP and the Brexit party ‘get behind making it work’ whilst we were in the EU?

As a great man once said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country."
great quote so what are you doing for yr country ?

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

So are you saying it was only the media and farage that wanted to leave Europe. Because that's a bit of a poke in the eye for the 17,410,742 citizens of the UK who actually voted to leave.

Are you suggesting that Farage and UKIP were not a contributing factor in the 2016 referendum? "

Not even close to what I wrote

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Posted that the other week

Bafflingly ,it didnt receive many comments.Probably because they still seem to revel in any disruption in the news to validate that even though they lost they were right.

If they truly have a vested intrest in the country they should get behind making it work instead of being negative all the time.

As a great man once said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

Why didn’t you ‘get behind making it work’ when we were in the EU? Well thats easy to answer the majority wanted to leave.

That didn’t answer my question, why didn’t the likes of Farage UKIP and the Brexit party ‘get behind making it work’ whilst we were in the EU?

As a great man once said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country."
Simple again because they couldn't make a dent in changing it just like the lib/dems now they are irrelevant in the uk parliament.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed."

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Posted that the other week

Bafflingly ,it didnt receive many comments.Probably because they still seem to revel in any disruption in the news to validate that even though they lost they were right.

If they truly have a vested intrest in the country they should get behind making it work instead of being negative all the time.

As a great man once said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

Why didn’t you ‘get behind making it work’ when we were in the EU? Well thats easy to answer the majority wanted to leave.

That didn’t answer my question, why didn’t the likes of Farage UKIP and the Brexit party ‘get behind making it work’ whilst we were in the EU?

As a great man once said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.Simple again because they couldn't make a dent in changing it just like the lib/dems now they are irrelevant in the uk parliament. "

Haha, they didn’t even try, how many meetings did Farage attend ??

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By *uliaChris OP Couple over a year ago

westerham

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Posted that the other week

Bafflingly ,it didnt receive many comments.Probably because they still seem to revel in any disruption in the news to validate that even though they lost they were right.

If they truly have a vested intrest in the country they should get behind making it work instead of being negative all the time.

As a great man once said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

Why didn’t you ‘get behind making it work’ when we were in the EU? "

Make Europe work? Ask the young people of Spain or Italy how that is working out for them.

Brussels is busted.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Posted that the other week

Bafflingly ,it didnt receive many comments.Probably because they still seem to revel in any disruption in the news to validate that even though they lost they were right.

If they truly have a vested intrest in the country they should get behind making it work instead of being negative all the time.

As a great man once said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

Why didn’t you ‘get behind making it work’ when we were in the EU?

Make Europe work? Ask the young people of Spain or Italy how that is working out for them.

Brussels is busted. "

Haha, so you keep saying? Who will be the next to leave??

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’? "

Ask the EU. They didn't want a liberalized EU. They wanted absolute power in everything they did. We asked for change many times. The EU rejected it. France and Germany in particular - because that is where the main power base has always been. Being the founder members and the extras it gave/gives them wasn't something they could contemplate losing.

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By *L RogueMan over a year ago

London

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

I haven't read your link but I agree that there will be good and bad. I'm also pretty sure that most Brexit supporters on here would think the same way.

Have you seen this forum??"

I have. I tend to read more than I post. A habit that some here on BOTH sides should adopt more. Take a moment for the link when you have the time.

People like winning in this country. So much that they forget that there's a job to do afterwards. What people forget is this has to benefit everyone, not just the people who voted for it.

Some of the challenges will be light work, others will require heavy lifting but they are real and they will be presented to you whether you like it or not. Personally, the goal of Brexit is not appease those who wanted it but make it so we're all proud. If you can't do that then, sadly, you fail.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

I haven't read your link but I agree that there will be good and bad. I'm also pretty sure that most Brexit supporters on here would think the same way.

Have you seen this forum??

I have. I tend to read more than I post. A habit that some here on BOTH sides should adopt more. Take a moment for the link when you have the time.

People like winning in this country. So much that they forget that there's a job to do afterwards. What people forget is this has to benefit everyone, not just the people who voted for it.

"
Totally agree with you but if you start out thinking you are going to fail you usually do.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?"

Who said that? But it is Federal and strives to be evermore Federal every day.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?"
Does the public get to vote for the eu presidents?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

Tbh , when I will be able to visit my European friends and family I will be doing a lot of apologising , luckily they are forgiving people and realise that Brexit was only a protect vote

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?Does the public get to vote for the eu presidents?"

No, but the MEPs do. Does the country get to vote for a Conservative leader ?

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

Tbh , when I will be able to visit my European friends and family I will be doing a lot of apologising , luckily they are forgiving people and realise that Brexit was only a protect vote

Democratically undertaken and voted for by a majority number.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?Does the public get to vote for the eu presidents?"

Does the public get to vote for special advisers?

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

Tbh , when I will be able to visit my European friends and family I will be doing a lot of apologising , luckily they are forgiving people and realise that Brexit was only a protect vote

"
ive got quiet a few european friends and feel no need to apologize at all ,you make it sound as if your friends are offended by brexit i know mine aren't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

Tbh , when I will be able to visit my European friends and family I will be doing a lot of apologising , luckily they are forgiving people and realise that Brexit was only a protect vote

Protest, dam my spelling today

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

Tbh , when I will be able to visit my European friends and family I will be doing a lot of apologising , luckily they are forgiving people and realise that Brexit was only a protect vote

ive got quiet a few european friends and feel no need to apologize at all ,you make it sound as if your friends are offended by brexit i know mine aren't. "

They aren’t offended, they find it hilarious,

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?Does the public get to vote for the eu presidents?

No, but the MEPs do. Does the country get to vote for a Conservative leader ? "

Wrong - For the 2014 elections, Parliament introduced the system of lead candidates. Each European political party put forward a candidate for Commission president and the party which became the biggest in the elections could propose Parliament’s candidate for the nomination for the Commission leadership.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?Does the public get to vote for the eu presidents?

Does the public get to vote for special advisers?"
Is a special advisor a president now then when did that happen?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

Tbh , when I will be able to visit my European friends and family I will be doing a lot of apologising , luckily they are forgiving people and realise that Brexit was only a protect vote

Democratically undertaken and voted for by a majority number.

I have never disputed that fact

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?Does the public get to vote for the eu presidents?

Does the public get to vote for special advisers?Is a special advisor a president now then when did that happen?"

Who votes for the EU president

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?Does the public get to vote for the eu presidents?

No, but the MEPs do. Does the country get to vote for a Conservative leader ?

And who voted for the president?

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By *drianukMan over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

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By *renzMan over a year ago

Between Chichester and Havant

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

You could say the exact same thing about leave voters?

YOU could and would!

Yes, and I have , "

I'd expect nothing less!

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?Does the public get to vote for the eu presidents?

No, but the MEPs do. Does the country get to vote for a Conservative leader ?

And who voted for the president? "
No one for von de lyen if i remember correctly she was the best of a bad bunch when they couldnt agree on the two they put forward.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?Does the public get to vote for the eu presidents?

Does the public get to vote for special advisers?Is a special advisor a president now then when did that happen?

Who votes for the EU president "
Not the general public thats for sure.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?Does the public get to vote for the eu presidents?

No, but the MEPs do. Does the country get to vote for a Conservative leader ?

And who voted for the president? "

Missing the most salient point - the EU will be run by who has the most members in each POLITICAL PARTY the members of those parties with the largest membership will be the only ones able to put forward a candidate. While the MEPS will vote it will not be from the whole of the membership of potential candidates - because most of them are not able to be put forward.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?Does the public get to vote for the eu presidents?

No, but the MEPs do. Does the country get to vote for a Conservative leader ?

And who voted for the president? No one for von de lyen if i remember correctly she was the best of a bad bunch when they couldnt agree on the two they put forward.

No one? When Boris became PM on 24th July 2019 , who voted for him?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?Does the public get to vote for the eu presidents?

No, but the MEPs do. Does the country get to vote for a Conservative leader ?

And who voted for the president?

And who votes for the MEPs? Question, who votes for the leader of the Conservative party?

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By *uliaChris OP Couple over a year ago

westerham

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?Does the public get to vote for the eu presidents?

No, but the MEPs do. Does the country get to vote for a Conservative leader ?

And who voted for the president? "

The “president” is nodded through by the MEPs. All the commisioners are appointees.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?Does the public get to vote for the eu presidents?

No, but the MEPs do. Does the country get to vote for a Conservative leader ?

And who voted for the president? No one for von de lyen if i remember correctly she was the best of a bad bunch when they couldnt agree on the two they put forward.

No one? When Boris became PM on 24th July 2019 , who voted for him? "

Now you are purposefully refusing to see what is fact about the Federal nature of the EU.

I'm talking about the EU not Boris - Nobody voted to LEAVE BORIS.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?Does the public get to vote for the eu presidents?

No, but the MEPs do. Does the country get to vote for a Conservative leader ?

And who voted for the president? No one for von de lyen if i remember correctly she was the best of a bad bunch when they couldnt agree on the two they put forward.

No one? When Boris became PM on 24th July 2019 , who voted for him?

Now you are purposefully refusing to see what is fact about the Federal nature of the EU.

I'm talking about the EU not Boris - Nobody voted to LEAVE BORIS."

Yet we chose to leave the EU, so what is more democratic now?

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By *uliaChris OP Couple over a year ago

westerham

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?Does the public get to vote for the eu presidents?

No, but the MEPs do. Does the country get to vote for a Conservative leader ?

And who voted for the president? No one for von de lyen if i remember correctly she was the best of a bad bunch when they couldnt agree on the two they put forward.

No one? When Boris became PM on 24th July 2019 , who voted for him? "

Boris is not the president, he is merely first minister. He can be removed by his constituency voters, or by the party.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"and if you read properly what I wrote I did say they contributed.

So why didn’t they ‘get behind making it work’?

So the eu is a dictatorship?Does the public get to vote for the eu presidents?

No, but the MEPs do. Does the country get to vote for a Conservative leader ?

And who voted for the president?

And who votes for the MEPs? Question, who votes for the leader of the Conservative party? "
When you vote in a general election you know who the leader is before you vote the same in most elections .when you put a cross next to your mep do you know who the presidents are going to be even if your party gets the most mep,s?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I was hoping for some slightly more sincere apologies ITT

Come on, you’ll feel better for it. Be humble. You have much to be humble about.

List out all the things that are positive about Brexit. It doesn’t even have to be 10 things...why Is a reduction in overseas aid a negative ? It was your post

You think it's a positive? yes have you heard of covid Lionel we need every penny we have just now can we really afford 14.6 billion on overseas aid I think not "

It has been mentioned that if we leave poorer countries to the mercy of covid, it will be a breeding ground for future varients to come back and hit us. Overseas aid is needed

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By *L RogueMan over a year ago

London

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Of course they do!

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

Tbh , when I will be able to visit my European friends and family I will be doing a lot of apologising , luckily they are forgiving people and realise that Brexit was only a protect vote

"
a bit like that Harry enfield character the German guy apolagizing for the war pmsl aw ya make me laugh matey

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Of course they do!

Voting to leave didn't make you more British and voting to remain didn't make you less British. We painted that dumb narrative and painted ourselves into a corner. Both groups want a country to be proud of. "
I think you dont give enough credit to some on here they would love the uk to fail and rejoin the eu.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Of course they do!

Voting to leave didn't make you more British and voting to remain didn't make you less British. We painted that dumb narrative and painted ourselves into a corner. Both groups want a country to be proud of. I think you dont give enough credit to some on here they would love the uk to fail and rejoin the eu."

I think you don’t give enough credit to the phrase “strength in unity”

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

Tbh , when I will be able to visit my European friends and family I will be doing a lot of apologising , luckily they are forgiving people and realise that Brexit was only a protect vote

a bit like that Harry enfield character the German guy apolagizing for the war pmsl aw ya make me laugh matey "

I like the people of Germany , great people and they do feel remorse about what happened in WW2

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By *renzMan over a year ago

Between Chichester and Havant

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Posted that the other week

Bafflingly ,it didnt receive many comments.Probably because they still seem to revel in any disruption in the news to validate that even though they lost they were right.

If they truly have a vested intrest in the country they should get behind making it work instead of being negative all the time.

As a great man once said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

Why didn’t you ‘get behind making it work’ when we were in the EU?

Make Europe work? Ask the young people of Spain or Italy how that is working out for them.

Brussels is busted.

Haha, so you keep saying? Who will be the next to leave??

Barnier warns of risk of more Brexits: Michel Barnier has warned of the risk of more ‘Brexits’ as he said there was still “anger” towards Brussels in many regions of Europe and urged supporters to explain the European project. He said that Brexit had exposed the dangers and consequences of leaving the bloc, effectively admitting that Brussels had set out to make an example of the UK whilst holding other nations hostage inside the EU. “We have to be vigilant because it is always a risk for the future,” Barnier said. “This risk can be combated by the proof that it is clearly a better situation to be inside the EU than outside.”

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Posted that the other week

Bafflingly ,it didnt receive many comments.Probably because they still seem to revel in any disruption in the news to validate that even though they lost they were right.

If they truly have a vested intrest in the country they should get behind making it work instead of being negative all the time.

As a great man once said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

Why didn’t you ‘get behind making it work’ when we were in the EU?

Make Europe work? Ask the young people of Spain or Italy how that is working out for them.

Brussels is busted.

Haha, so you keep saying? Who will be the next to leave??

Rather than copying and pasting , yet again, just tell me which country will be next to leave the EU

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Of course they do!

Voting to leave didn't make you more British and voting to remain didn't make you less British. We painted that dumb narrative and painted ourselves into a corner. Both groups want a country to be proud of. I think you dont give enough credit to some on here they would love the uk to fail and rejoin the eu."

I think you don’t give enough credit to some on here who wanted the UK to fail so they could blame it on then leave the EU

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

Tbh , when I will be able to visit my European friends and family I will be doing a lot of apologising , luckily they are forgiving people and realise that Brexit was only a protect vote

a bit like that Harry enfield character the German guy apolagizing for the war pmsl aw ya make me laugh matey

I like the people of Germany , great people and they do feel remorse about what happened in WW2 "
only you eh ffs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

Good job the fisherman don't know your home address.. You'll be shovelling dumped smelly sea food for days

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By *L RogueMan over a year ago

London

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Of course they do!

Voting to leave didn't make you more British and voting to remain didn't make you less British. We painted that dumb narrative and painted ourselves into a corner. Both groups want a country to be proud of. I think you dont give enough credit to some on here they would love the uk to fail and rejoin the eu."

I stand by what I said. Simply because you voted to leave doesn't make you more proud of your country. Highlighting a problem doesn't make you any less.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

Tbh , when I will be able to visit my European friends and family I will be doing a lot of apologising , luckily they are forgiving people and realise that Brexit was only a protect vote

a bit like that Harry enfield character the German guy apolagizing for the war pmsl aw ya make me laugh matey

I like the people of Germany , great people and they do feel remorse about what happened in WW2 only you eh ffs "

Have you been to Germany

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By *V-AliceTV/TS over a year ago

Ayr

It's good news for Sunderland - and for green energy.

Nissan are kind of forcing the the UK Government to commit to supporting the manufacture of EV batteries, in the UK, over all.

If they don't, Nissan will likely end up as the only car plant in the UK - because nobody is going to import batteries if they don't have to. It's far too expensive.

More to the point, it wouldn't fit within the agreement with the EU about what percentage of something counts as UK, with an imported battery.

In the wider scheme of Brexit, it's a lot like getting your wedding ring back out of your own Doberman's shite, after carelessly losing it in the dog's food.

Good news - but it needn't have happened at all.

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By *andy 1Couple over a year ago

northeast

"I was hoping for some slightly more sincere apologies ITT

Come on, you’ll feel better for it. Be humble. You have much to be humble about.

List out all the things that are positive about Brexit. It doesn’t even have to be 10 things...why Is a reduction in overseas aid a negative ? It was your post

You think it's a positive? yes have you heard of covid Lionel we need every penny we have just now can we really afford 14.6 billion on overseas aid I think not

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

Tbh , when I will be able to visit my European friends and family I will be doing a lot of apologising , luckily they are forgiving people and realise that Brexit was only a protect vote

a bit like that Harry enfield character the German guy apolagizing for the war pmsl aw ya make me laugh matey

I like the people of Germany , great people and they do feel remorse about what happened in WW2 only you eh ffs

Have you been to Germany "
never it was a bit of banter went over yr head lol iv met Germans in Mexico a few times nice ppl but what’s yr point ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

Tbh , when I will be able to visit my European friends and family I will be doing a lot of apologising , luckily they are forgiving people and realise that Brexit was only a protect vote

a bit like that Harry enfield character the German guy apolagizing for the war pmsl aw ya make me laugh matey

I like the people of Germany , great people and they do feel remorse about what happened in WW2 only you eh ffs

Have you been to Germany "

Germans are awesme! Lost my mates in Vegas and then went off with a bunch of Germans to get d*unk!

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By *andy 1Couple over a year ago

northeast

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

Good job the fisherman don't know your home address.. You'll be shovelling dumped smelly sea food for days

"
y dump it when we have kids starveing

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By *renzMan over a year ago

Between Chichester and Havant

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Posted that the other week

Bafflingly ,it didnt receive many comments.Probably because they still seem to revel in any disruption in the news to validate that even though they lost they were right.

If they truly have a vested intrest in the country they should get behind making it work instead of being negative all the time.

As a great man once said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

Why didn’t you ‘get behind making it work’ when we were in the EU?

Make Europe work? Ask the young people of Spain or Italy how that is working out for them.

Brussels is busted.

Haha, so you keep saying? Who will be the next to leave??

Rather than copying and pasting , yet again, just tell me which country will be next to leave the EU "

According to Barnier it could be one of several. I would guess it depends on which owes less in debt to ECB. I did think Spain a couple of years ago, possibly Italy, maybe even Poland.

It would also depend on the perceived 'punishment' the EU hands out, as Barnier says, for daring to go against them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

Tbh , when I will be able to visit my European friends and family I will be doing a lot of apologising , luckily they are forgiving people and realise that Brexit was only a protect vote

a bit like that Harry enfield character the German guy apolagizing for the war pmsl aw ya make me laugh matey

I like the people of Germany , great people and they do feel remorse about what happened in WW2 only you eh ffs

Have you been to Germany never it was a bit of banter went over yr head lol iv met Germans in Mexico a few times nice ppl but what’s yr point ?"

No point, I agree, they are nice people

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"The Actual Deal is:

6. Part 3 – Law Enforcement and Judicial Cooperation in Criminal Matters

Title I – General provisions

Title II – Exchanges of DNA, fingerprints and vehicle registration data

Title III - Transfer and processing of Passenger Name Record data

139. The Agreement provides for transfers of PNR data from the EU to the UK to be used to protect the public from terrorism and serious crime.

Title IV - Cooperation on operational information

141. The Agreement provides an additional basis for bilateral law enforcement cooperation to continue between the UK and EU Member States at the end of the transition period.

142. This includes information sharing in response to requests, as well as the spontaneous provision of information, including that which relates to wanted and missing persons and objects.

Title V - Cooperation with Europol

Title VI - Cooperation with Eurojust

Title VII - Surrender

Title VIII - Mutual Assistance

Title IX - Exchange of criminal record information

Title X - Anti-Money Laundering and counter-terrorist financing

Title XI - Freezing and confiscation

156. The Agreement provides for more limited grounds for refusal of a request allowing for the broadest cooperation possible.

Title XII – Other provisions

Title XIII - Dispute settlement

Seems pretty well sorted to me.

No one cares about that Cat.

It doesn't suit their thinking

I just wish others would too.

I appreciate you posting the details from the agreement. Do you know where it is stronger or where it is weaker than what we had? It isn’t the same, so I would be interested to know how we have been affected?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Following on from threads like the great Nissan news, the pound soaring, economic forecasts up.... wouldn’t it have been great to just crack on with Brexit five years ago.

We’ve lost five years of progress due to a lot of hysterical nonsense.

Please post your apologies in this thread, cheers.

I appologise to the generations below me for joining the EU in the first place and for all that was stripped away from us as a result. I make no excuses for this foolishness but at the time it seemed a good idea but couldn't see the truth for all the lies. The fat cats have made their billions as a result. We can still travel, work and trade with them. The main difference now is we have a choice without having our hands tied so tight with burrocracy we lost all feeling when we tried to manoeuvre.

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By *isandhers691127Couple over a year ago

Bournemouth

Is burrocracy paperwork for a burrito?

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"The Actual Deal is:

6. Part 3 – Law Enforcement and Judicial Cooperation in Criminal Matters

Title I – General provisions

Title II – Exchanges of DNA, fingerprints and vehicle registration data

Title III - Transfer and processing of Passenger Name Record data

139. The Agreement provides for transfers of PNR data from the EU to the UK to be used to protect the public from terrorism and serious crime.

Title IV - Cooperation on operational information

141. The Agreement provides an additional basis for bilateral law enforcement cooperation to continue between the UK and EU Member States at the end of the transition period.

142. This includes information sharing in response to requests, as well as the spontaneous provision of information, including that which relates to wanted and missing persons and objects.

Title V - Cooperation with Europol

Title VI - Cooperation with Eurojust

Title VII - Surrender

Title VIII - Mutual Assistance

Title IX - Exchange of criminal record information

Title X - Anti-Money Laundering and counter-terrorist financing

Title XI - Freezing and confiscation

156. The Agreement provides for more limited grounds for refusal of a request allowing for the broadest cooperation possible.

Title XII – Other provisions

Title XIII - Dispute settlement

Seems pretty well sorted to me.

No one cares about that Cat.

It doesn't suit their thinking

I just wish others would too.

Radio 5 Interview with an ex MI5 Officer said now that it is in place he feels satisfied that it will 'essentially' be business as usual.

He was the same officer saying before the deal that he worried seriously about the result had we not managed to secure a deal.

Now that is his opinion I know. And I can't tell you what has changed materially, but it has been dealt with and there doesn't seem to be a furore around the press or otherwise about it. So I'm guessing it's been delivered

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"Is burrocracy paperwork for a burrito? "

Are Silicone chips just chips with Implants?

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"The Actual Deal is:

6. Part 3 – Law Enforcement and Judicial Cooperation in Criminal Matters

Title I – General provisions

Title II – Exchanges of DNA, fingerprints and vehicle registration data

Title III - Transfer and processing of Passenger Name Record data

139. The Agreement provides for transfers of PNR data from the EU to the UK to be used to protect the public from terrorism and serious crime.

Title IV - Cooperation on operational information

141. The Agreement provides an additional basis for bilateral law enforcement cooperation to continue between the UK and EU Member States at the end of the transition period.

142. This includes information sharing in response to requests, as well as the spontaneous provision of information, including that which relates to wanted and missing persons and objects.

Title V - Cooperation with Europol

Title VI - Cooperation with Eurojust

Title VII - Surrender

Title VIII - Mutual Assistance

Title IX - Exchange of criminal record information

Title X - Anti-Money Laundering and counter-terrorist financing

Title XI - Freezing and confiscation

156. The Agreement provides for more limited grounds for refusal of a request allowing for the broadest cooperation possible.

Title XII – Other provisions

Title XIII - Dispute settlement

Seems pretty well sorted to me.

No one cares about that Cat.

It doesn't suit their thinking

I just wish others would too.

Radio 5 Interview with an ex MI5 Officer said now that it is in place he feels satisfied that it will 'essentially' be business as usual.

He was the same officer saying before the deal that he worried seriously about the result had we not managed to secure a deal.

Thank you, I hope this is the case & I appreciate the response

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

'Merry Christmas'

"The Actual Deal is:

6. Part 3 – Law Enforcement and Judicial Cooperation in Criminal Matters

Title I – General provisions

Title II – Exchanges of DNA, fingerprints and vehicle registration data

Title III - Transfer and processing of Passenger Name Record data

139. The Agreement provides for transfers of PNR data from the EU to the UK to be used to protect the public from terrorism and serious crime.

Title IV - Cooperation on operational information

141. The Agreement provides an additional basis for bilateral law enforcement cooperation to continue between the UK and EU Member States at the end of the transition period.

142. This includes information sharing in response to requests, as well as the spontaneous provision of information, including that which relates to wanted and missing persons and objects.

Title V - Cooperation with Europol

Title VI - Cooperation with Eurojust

Title VII - Surrender

Title VIII - Mutual Assistance

Title IX - Exchange of criminal record information

Title X - Anti-Money Laundering and counter-terrorist financing

Title XI - Freezing and confiscation

156. The Agreement provides for more limited grounds for refusal of a request allowing for the broadest cooperation possible.

Title XII – Other provisions

Title XIII - Dispute settlement

Seems pretty well sorted to me.

No one cares about that Cat.

It doesn't suit their thinking

I just wish others would too.

Radio 5 Interview with an ex MI5 Officer said now that it is in place he feels satisfied that it will 'essentially' be business as usual.

He was the same officer saying before the deal that he worried seriously about the result had we not managed to secure a deal.

Thank you, I hope this is the case & I appreciate the response

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

"has UK enough of the raw materials to satisfy the rules of origin to avoid export tax? who are nissan currently buying batteries from that makes this such a boon?"

The key raw materials for batteries are metals that do not even exist in this country. They can only be quarried in a very few places around the globe. These metals are fundamental to the chemical reactions that take place within the batteries, they cannot be replaced by any local materials.

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By *uliaChris OP Couple over a year ago

westerham

Not one heartfelt apology today. No slight inkling that maybe, just maybe, they’ve been fretting about nothing.

I’m disappointed.

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

"has UK enough of the raw materials to satisfy the rules of origin to avoid export tax? who are nissan currently buying batteries from that makes this such a boon?

Cornwall is reopening old lithium mines and new mines being planned to meet the demand. Cornwall is in the UK so yes they do exist in this country

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

"Going back to the OP: No.

Sadly, for every good news story, there's a sad one. A six year old girl who is struggling to receive a special medication that only became accessible in 2018. The story is here if you care to look:

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-01-18/six-year-olds-vital-medication-running-out-because-of-brexit-changes

Posted that the other week

Bafflingly ,it didnt receive many comments.Probably because they still seem to revel in any disruption in the news to validate that even though they lost they were right.

If they truly have a vested intrest in the country they should get behind making it work instead of being negative all the time.

As a great man once said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

Why didn’t you ‘get behind making it work’ when we were in the EU?

Make Europe work? Ask the young people of Spain or Italy how that is working out for them.

Brussels is busted.

Haha, so you keep saying? Who will be the next to leave??

Rather than copying and pasting , yet again, just tell me which country will be next to leave the EU

According to Barnier it could be one of several. I would guess it depends on which owes less in debt to ECB. I did think Spain a couple of years ago, possibly Italy, maybe even Poland.

It would also depend on the perceived 'punishment' the EU hands out, as Barnier says, for daring to go against them."

He fears a successful brevity in case he has to be negotiator again for more countries

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