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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Priti Patel says the UK should have closed its borders in March 2020 in light of the coronavirus pandemic.
In a video call obtained by Guido Fawkes , the home secretary told Tory supporters she was an "advocate" of closing the borders 10 months ago.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-55733357
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Priti wanted to close the border, SAGE opposed closing the border.
Government went with SAGE.
Wasn't the message at the time “we are following the science”
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But there's a lot of people on here who ask 'why don't we listen to SAGE?'  |
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"Priti wanted to close the border, SAGE opposed closing the border.
Government went with SAGE.
Wasn't the message at the time “we are following the science”
But there's a lot of people on here who ask 'why don't we listen to SAGE?' "
Really?  |
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"Knowing Priti she was probably unaware of the pandemic and it was one of her policy proposals.
Who the f is Guido Fawkes? "
paul staines. confirmed piss head. used to organise raves in the 80's and early 90's. went on to establish Guido Fawkes as a far right agent of chaos website. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Priti wanted to close the border, SAGE opposed closing the border.
Government went with SAGE.
Wasn't the message at the time “we are following the science”
we'll the science where wrong "
Surely the Science was correct &
was just ignored by Goverment |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Follow the experts don't follow the expert follow the experts don't follow the experts . . .
fucked if you do fucked if you don't - there is always some hindsight clown with a keyboard and an agenda.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Priti wanted to close the border, SAGE opposed closing the border.
Government went with SAGE.
Wasn't the message at the time “we are following the science”
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Tells you Priti Patel was 100%right she has gone up in my estimation from zero to 100 be a good PM |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.
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Who would have thought it Pritti the woman they all liked to slag off and now they are singing her praises such a fickle lot.  |
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"Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.
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Hang on..the constant refrain Is we follow the scientific advice and that is backed up on here.
Rightly or wrongly..they clearly havent here.
You cant have it both ways.
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"Why did SAGE want the borders kept open ? "
Apparently they said it wouldnt make a difference.
It's all very odd as the same day the papers were released, a recording of priti has also been released. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.
Hang on..the constant refrain Is we follow the scientific advice and that is backed up on here.
Rightly or wrongly..they clearly havent here.
You cant have it both ways.
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of course you can have it both ways under the rule of when it suits. |
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"Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.
Hang on..the constant refrain Is we follow the scientific advice and that is backed up on here.
Rightly or wrongly..they clearly havent here.
You cant have it both ways.
of course you can have it both ways under the rule of when it suits. "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.
Who would have thought it Pritti the woman they all liked to slag off and now they are singing her praises such a fickle lot. "
Surely we are just holding them responsible
If she admits it, it’s negligence of duties at minimum and manslaughter at worst.
Her lack of action, whilst busying herself with who she could deport next, has undoubtedly caused deaths, potentially thousands.
Resign
Ironic really the only time she doesn’t want to shut the borders is when it makes sense to do so.
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"Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.
Who would have thought it Pritti the woman they all liked to slag off and now they are singing her praises such a fickle lot. "
Who is singing her praises? |
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"Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.
Hang on..the constant refrain Is we follow the scientific advice and that is backed up on here.
Rightly or wrongly..they clearly havent here.
You cant have it both ways.
of course you can have it both ways under the rule of when it suits. "
they followed the science - SAGE advised against closing the border.
So when they said “we follow the science” - they did. Problem is with hindsight - the science was wrong .
Sounds to me like the government bashers are spinning like a weather vain in the breeze
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.
Hang on..the constant refrain Is we follow the scientific advice and that is backed up on here.
Rightly or wrongly..they clearly havent here.
You cant have it both ways.
of course you can have it both ways under the rule of when it suits.
they followed the science - SAGE advised against closing the border.
So when they said “we follow the science” - they did. Problem is with hindsight - the science was wrong .
Sounds to me like the government bashers are spinning like a weather vain in the breeze
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just like KS |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"seems the people questioning the governments decisions last february /march last year were using hindsight. fascinating"
But these are the same people who say 'we need to follow the science'
To coin a phrase from our dear Lionel. You can't have it both ways  |
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"Going by what's now being said, folks would have preferred if Boris hadn't listened to the experts (SAGE) and instead gone with what the Home Secretary wanted to do.
Hang on..the constant refrain Is we follow the scientific advice and that is backed up on here.
Rightly or wrongly..they clearly havent here.
You cant have it both ways.
of course you can have it both ways under the rule of when it suits.
they followed the science - SAGE advised against closing the border.
So when they said “we follow the science” - they did. Problem is with hindsight - the science was wrong .
Sounds to me like the government bashers are spinning like a weather vain in the breeze
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Is the science always wrong? |
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"seems the people questioning the governments decisions last february /march last year were using hindsight. fascinating
But these are the same people who say 'we need to follow the science'
To coin a phrase from our dear Lionel. You can't have it both ways "
So we should ignore the science? |
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This is the SAGE committee that at the time had Dominic Cummings sitting on it.
I'm sure that had no influence on what they recommended.
Meanwhile, people are giving Patel credit for claiming she thought something over a year ago?
The bar for comptence amongst Tories is really low, isn't it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"seems the people questioning the governments decisions last february /march last year were using hindsight. fascinating
But these are the same people who say 'we need to follow the science'
To coin a phrase from our dear Lionel. You can't have it both ways
So we should ignore the science?"
I didn't say we should ignore the science. I said you can't have it both ways |
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"Priti wanted to close the border, SAGE opposed closing the border.
Government went with SAGE.
Wasn't the message at the time “we are following the science”
Tells you Priti Patel was 100%right she has gone up in my estimation from zero to 100 be a good PM"
Her position on closing borders probably wasn't motivated by a desire to control the pandemic. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"This is the SAGE committee that at the time had Dominic Cummings sitting on it.
I'm sure that had no influence on what they recommended.
Meanwhile, people are giving Patel credit for claiming she thought something over a year ago?
The bar for comptence amongst Tories is really low, isn't it."
Dominic Cummings did not sit on tbe SAGE commitee. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the SAGE committee that at the time had Dominic Cummings sitting on it.
I'm sure that had no influence on what they recommended.
Meanwhile, people are giving Patel credit for claiming she thought something over a year ago?
The bar for comptence amongst Tories is really low, isn't it.
Dominic Cummings did not sit on tbe SAGE commitee. "
But The Guardian reported he did. It doesn't matter that any of the 'sources' claims are unsubstantiated |
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i am looking at the published minutes for the 'Twenty-eighth Sage meeting on COVID 19, 23rd April 2020 Held via Zoom' on the governments website.
in the list of attendees it clearly, unequivocally and irrefutably shows 'HMG Dominic Cummings (No. 10)' |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"i am looking at the published minutes for the 'Twenty-eighth Sage meeting on COVID 19, 23rd April 2020 Held via Zoom' on the governments website.
in the list of attendees it clearly, unequivocally and irrefutably shows 'HMG Dominic Cummings (No. 10)'"
He attended as an observer. He may well have asked questions.
But he wasn't a member of tbe Committee. |
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"seems the people questioning the governments decisions last february /march last year were using hindsight. fascinating
But these are the same people who say 'we need to follow the science'
To coin a phrase from our dear Lionel. You can't have it both ways
So we should ignore the science?
I didn't say we should ignore the science. I said you can't have it both ways "
I agree
You either follow the science or you dont
And it appears in a lot of cases we dont. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i am looking at the published minutes for the 'Twenty-eighth Sage meeting on COVID 19, 23rd April 2020 Held via Zoom' on the governments website.
in the list of attendees it clearly, unequivocally and irrefutably shows 'HMG Dominic Cummings (No. 10)'"
Attendance is not the same as sitting on a committee. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"seems the people questioning the governments decisions last february /march last year were using hindsight. fascinating
But these are the same people who say 'we need to follow the science'
To coin a phrase from our dear Lionel. You can't have it both ways
So we should ignore the science?
I didn't say we should ignore the science. I said you can't have it both ways
I agree
You either follow the science or you dont
And it appears in a lot of cases we dont."
The point is Lionel. On this occasion we followed the science. Those people who scream about following science also scream that we should've locked down sooner. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"the Sage minutes show irrefutably that Cummings was sitting in on the meeting on the 23rd April 2020 despite the protestations of fab members attempting to say he didn't."
No. Those fab members (myself included) are attempting to say he didn't sit on the committee.
Stop trying to twist words. |
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"seems the people questioning the governments decisions last february /march last year were using hindsight. fascinating
But these are the same people who say 'we need to follow the science'
To coin a phrase from our dear Lionel. You can't have it both ways
So we should ignore the science?
I didn't say we should ignore the science. I said you can't have it both ways
I agree
You either follow the science or you dont
And it appears in a lot of cases we dont.
The point is Lionel. On this occasion we followed the science. Those people who scream about following science also scream that we should've locked down sooner."
Well no actually it's not the point.
The point is they continually claim.
We follow the science.
The fact is they dont. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"seems the people questioning the governments decisions last february /march last year were using hindsight. fascinating
But these are the same people who say 'we need to follow the science'
To coin a phrase from our dear Lionel. You can't have it both ways
So we should ignore the science?
I didn't say we should ignore the science. I said you can't have it both ways
I agree
You either follow the science or you dont
And it appears in a lot of cases we dont.
The point is Lionel. On this occasion we followed the science. Those people who scream about following science also scream that we should've locked down sooner.
Well no actually it's not the point.
The point is they continually claim.
We follow the science.
The fact is they dont."
Pretty sure I'm the one making the point. So if I say that's my point then that's my point |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"seems the people questioning the governments decisions last february /march last year were using hindsight. fascinating
But these are the same people who say 'we need to follow the science'
To coin a phrase from our dear Lionel. You can't have it both ways
So we should ignore the science?
I didn't say we should ignore the science. I said you can't have it both ways
I agree
You either follow the science or you dont
And it appears in a lot of cases we dont.
The point is Lionel. On this occasion we followed the science. Those people who scream about following science also scream that we should've locked down sooner.
Well no actually it's not the point.
The point is they continually claim.
We follow the science.
The fact is they dont."
Exactly.
Sage offers advive
The Tory Government choose
to act on it or not |
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