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"appears that the last restrictions to the sell off of the NHS to foreign companies have been removed. " What you fail to mention is the NHS moved from a public sector provider to include the private sector in 1999 under the last Labour government.! | |||
"appears that the last restrictions to the sell off of the NHS to foreign companies have been removed. What you fail to mention is the NHS moved from a public sector provider to include the private sector in 1999 under the last Labour government.!" Why have the latest restrictions been removed? | |||
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"This should be good more stuff for them to worry about. "‘Them’?? I will ask the same question, why were these latest restrictions removed? | |||
"appears that the last restrictions to the sell off of the NHS to foreign companies have been removed. What you fail to mention is the NHS moved from a public sector provider to include the private sector in 1999 under the last Labour government.! Why have the latest restrictions been removed? " They were not restrictions, it was an amendment to the trade bill. | |||
"appears that the last restrictions to the sell off of the NHS to foreign companies have been removed. What you fail to mention is the NHS moved from a public sector provider to include the private sector in 1999 under the last Labour government.! Why have the latest restrictions been removed? They were not restrictions, it was an amendment to the trade bill." Why has the government voted to remove this amendment? What are the advantages of doing this? | |||
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"appears that the last restrictions to the sell off of the NHS to foreign companies have been removed. What you fail to mention is the NHS moved from a public sector provider to include the private sector in 1999 under the last Labour government.! Why have the latest restrictions been removed? They were not restrictions, it was an amendment to the trade bill. Why has the government voted to remove this amendment? What are the advantages of doing this? " It depends who you believe i guess as usual with politics this is from someone who voted against it. “This had nothing whatsoever to do with protecting the NHS. The government is clear that the NHS will never be on the table in any trade agreements and this Trade Bill doesn’t change that. “Tabling poorly thought out amendments such as New Clause 17, which are not relevant to the purpose of a bill and forcing the Government to vote them down is a standard opposition parliamentary tactic. It’s pure politics and not based on any good-faith desire to improve the law. | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it" A common excuse for the government acting against the interests of the people seems to be "well look Labour did someone once". Does this absolve the current government of any responsibility? | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it" https://www.google.com/amp/s/lowdownnhs.info/analysis/long-read/the-history-of-privatisation-part-1/%3famp The proposal to bring in compulsory competitive tendering to the NHS was first advocated by the Conservative Medical Society in a paper to the 1978 Tory conference, and after Thatcher won the 1979 election it began with a letter from the Department of Health and Social Security to all 192 district health authorities | |||
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"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it" Hilarious, | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it https://www.google.com/amp/s/lowdownnhs.info/analysis/long-read/the-history-of-privatisation-part-1/%3famp The proposal to bring in compulsory competitive tendering to the NHS was first advocated by the Conservative Medical Society in a paper to the 1978 Tory conference, and after Thatcher won the 1979 election it began with a letter from the Department of Health and Social Security to all 192 district health authorities" Are we saying CCT is a bad thing when it comes to spending public funds? | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it" Wrong the policy was brought in by a conservative government. Tony Blair's government just used the policy. | |||
"appears that the last restrictions to the sell off of the NHS to foreign companies have been removed. What you fail to mention is the NHS moved from a public sector provider to include the private sector in 1999 under the last Labour government.!"
The tories could be in power for a century and it would still be labours fault | |||
"This should be good more stuff for them to worry about.
‘Them’?? I will ask the same question, why were these latest restrictions removed? "Apparently privately funded healthcare wont affect Tories. | |||
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"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it" If a tree falls down in a wood and doesn't make a sound, blame Keir Hardie and every Labour politician since. | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it If a tree falls down in a wood and doesn't make a sound, blame Keir Hardie and every Labour politician since. " | |||
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"Is this the trade deal that allows us to deal with counties who carry out war atrocities? I thought we did that anyway,.?" that seems to be correct, the present government appear to have recently written in to law the right to commit war atrocities with impunity. | |||
"Is this the trade deal that allows us to deal with counties who carry out war atrocities? I thought we did that anyway,.? that seems to be correct, the present government appear to have recently written in to law the right to commit war atrocities with impunity." What has war crimes got to do with the NHS? | |||
"Is this the trade deal that allows us to deal with counties who carry out war atrocities? I thought we did that anyway,.? that seems to be correct, the present government appear to have recently written in to law the right to commit war atrocities with impunity. What has war crimes got to do with the NHS? " I posed it as a question as Costa mentioned the trade bill which was passed last night? | |||
"Is this the trade deal that allows us to deal with counties who carry out war atrocities? I thought we did that anyway,.? that seems to be correct, the present government appear to have recently written in to law the right to commit war atrocities with impunity. What has war crimes got to do with the NHS? I posed it as a question as Costa mentioned the trade bill which was passed last night?" But what does war crimes have to do with any part of the NHS? | |||
"Is this the trade deal that allows us to deal with counties who carry out war atrocities? I thought we did that anyway,.? that seems to be correct, the present government appear to have recently written in to law the right to commit war atrocities with impunity. What has war crimes got to do with the NHS? I posed it as a question as Costa mentioned the trade bill which was passed last night? But what does war crimes have to do with any part of the NHS?" Like I said Costa mentioned the trade deal yesterday I was asking was it related to this issue? | |||
"Is this the trade deal that allows us to deal with counties who carry out war atrocities? I thought we did that anyway,.? that seems to be correct, the present government appear to have recently written in to law the right to commit war atrocities with impunity." Not true. Its a matter of whether the Government, or the Courts, decide on who has commited genocide. | |||
"Is this the trade deal that allows us to deal with counties who carry out war atrocities? I thought we did that anyway,.? that seems to be correct, the present government appear to have recently written in to law the right to commit war atrocities with impunity. What has war crimes got to do with the NHS? I posed it as a question as Costa mentioned the trade bill which was passed last night? But what does war crimes have to do with any part of the NHS? Like I said Costa mentioned the trade deal yesterday I was asking was it related to this issue?" Fair enough. The Trade Bill includes a lot of things though, just find it a little strange that you choose that point | |||
"Is this the trade deal that allows us to deal with counties who carry out war atrocities? I thought we did that anyway,.? that seems to be correct, the present government appear to have recently written in to law the right to commit war atrocities with impunity. Not true. Its a matter of whether the Government, or the Courts, decide on who has commited genocide. " Is the decision now with the gmnt? | |||
"Is this the trade deal that allows us to deal with counties who carry out war atrocities? I thought we did that anyway,.? that seems to be correct, the present government appear to have recently written in to law the right to commit war atrocities with impunity. What has war crimes got to do with the NHS? I posed it as a question as Costa mentioned the trade bill which was passed last night? But what does war crimes have to do with any part of the NHS? Like I said Costa mentioned the trade deal yesterday I was asking was it related to this issue? Fair enough. The Trade Bill includes a lot of things though, just find it a little strange that you choose that point" Prob because thats the most contentious? | |||
" that seems to be correct, the present government appear to have recently written in to law the right to commit war atrocities with impunity. Not true. Its a matter of whether the Government, or the Courts, decide on who has commited genocide. " untrue. the overseas operations bill contradicts your personal translation of the law. | |||
"Is this the trade deal that allows us to deal with counties who carry out war atrocities? I thought we did that anyway,.? that seems to be correct, the present government appear to have recently written in to law the right to commit war atrocities with impunity. What has war crimes got to do with the NHS? I posed it as a question as Costa mentioned the trade bill which was passed last night? But what does war crimes have to do with any part of the NHS? Like I said Costa mentioned the trade deal yesterday I was asking was it related to this issue? Fair enough. The Trade Bill includes a lot of things though, just find it a little strange that you choose that point Prob because thats the most contentious?" But we (The UK) have also carried out atrocities. What makes us any better than others? | |||
"Is this the trade deal that allows us to deal with counties who carry out war atrocities? I thought we did that anyway,.? that seems to be correct, the present government appear to have recently written in to law the right to commit war atrocities with impunity. What has war crimes got to do with the NHS? I posed it as a question as Costa mentioned the trade bill which was passed last night? But what does war crimes have to do with any part of the NHS? Like I said Costa mentioned the trade deal yesterday I was asking was it related to this issue? Fair enough. The Trade Bill includes a lot of things though, just find it a little strange that you choose that point Prob because thats the most contentious? But we (The UK) have also carried out atrocities. What makes us any better than others?" We aren't . | |||
" that seems to be correct, the present government appear to have recently written in to law the right to commit war atrocities with impunity. Not true. Its a matter of whether the Government, or the Courts, decide on who has commited genocide. untrue. the overseas operations bill contradicts your personal translation of the law." You are getting Bills mixed up. The OO Bill, has nothing to do with the Trade Bill amendment. | |||
"Is this the trade deal that allows us to deal with counties who carry out war atrocities? I thought we did that anyway,.? that seems to be correct, the present government appear to have recently written in to law the right to commit war atrocities with impunity. What has war crimes got to do with the NHS? I posed it as a question as Costa mentioned the trade bill which was passed last night? But what does war crimes have to do with any part of the NHS? Like I said Costa mentioned the trade deal yesterday I was asking was it related to this issue? Fair enough. The Trade Bill includes a lot of things though, just find it a little strange that you choose that point Prob because thats the most contentious? But we (The UK) have also carried out atrocities. What makes us any better than others? We aren't ." You have me stumped Lionel 
I genuinely have no idea where you were going with that initial question.
The answer to it is, yes it was discussed and voted on. | |||
"Is this the trade deal that allows us to deal with counties who carry out war atrocities? I thought we did that anyway,.? that seems to be correct, the present government appear to have recently written in to law the right to commit war atrocities with impunity. Not true. Its a matter of whether the Government, or the Courts, decide on who has commited genocide. Is the decision now with the gmnt?" Yes, but this Bill is still at the debating stage. Nothing has been enshrined in law yet. | |||
" that seems to be correct, the present government appear to have recently written in to law the right to commit war atrocities with impunity. Not true. Its a matter of whether the Government, or the Courts, decide on who has commited genocide. untrue. the overseas operations bill contradicts your personal translation of the law. You are getting Bills mixed up. The OO Bill, has nothing to do with the Trade Bill amendment. " 1. no 2. and? | |||
"Is this the trade deal that allows us to deal with counties who carry out war atrocities? I thought we did that anyway,.? that seems to be correct, the present government appear to have recently written in to law the right to commit war atrocities with impunity. What has war crimes got to do with the NHS? I posed it as a question as Costa mentioned the trade bill which was passed last night? But what does war crimes have to do with any part of the NHS? Like I said Costa mentioned the trade deal yesterday I was asking was it related to this issue? Fair enough. The Trade Bill includes a lot of things though, just find it a little strange that you choose that point Prob because thats the most contentious? But we (The UK) have also carried out atrocities. What makes us any better than others? We aren't . You have me stumped Lionel
I genuinely have no idea where you were going with that initial question.
The answer to it is, yes it was discussed and voted on."That's all that I asked. | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it But the fact remains they won the last general election with a significant majority So in my assumption more people voted conservative than labour A common excuse for the government acting against the interests of the people seems to be "well look Labour did someone once". Does this absolve the current government of any responsibility?" | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it" Wow. It's almost like the Tories haven't been in power for ten years.  | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it Wow. It's almost like the Tories haven't been in power for ten years. "yeah i wonder why they haven't managed to sell it by now?  | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it Wow. It's almost like the Tories haven't been in power for ten years. yeah i wonder why they haven't managed to sell it by now? "*shrugs* Don't know. Do you want them to? | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it Wow. It's almost like the Tories haven't been in power for ten years. yeah i wonder why they haven't managed to sell it by now? "Has privitastion increased in the last decade? | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it Wow. It's almost like the Tories haven't been in power for ten years. yeah i wonder why they haven't managed to sell it by now?
*shrugs* Don't know. Do you want them to?"No of course not im just wondering why all of a sudden they would | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it Wow. It's almost like the Tories haven't been in power for ten years. yeah i wonder why they haven't managed to sell it by now?
*shrugs* Don't know. Do you want them to?No of course not im just wondering why all of a sudden they would "To get a trade deal with the US | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it Wow. It's almost like the Tories haven't been in power for ten years. yeah i wonder why they haven't managed to sell it by now?
Has privitastion increased in the last decade?"Increased? So you are admitting the last Labour government privatised the NHS? | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it Wow. It's almost like the Tories haven't been in power for ten years. yeah i wonder why they haven't managed to sell it by now?
Has privitastion increased in the last decade?"i dont know but im sure you can tell me.  | |||
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"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it Wow. It's almost like the Tories haven't been in power for ten years. yeah i wonder why they haven't managed to sell it by now?
*shrugs* Don't know. Do you want them to?No of course not im just wondering why all of a sudden they would "Good. So privatisation of the NHS needs to addressed and pulled back and this government can to do that. Cheers! 
Oh...and make sure nurses get a decent wage. Thanks in advance. | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it Wow. It's almost like the Tories haven't been in power for ten years. yeah i wonder why they haven't managed to sell it by now?
*shrugs* Don't know. Do you want them to?No of course not im just wondering why all of a sudden they would
Good. So privatisation of the NHS needs to addressed and pulled back and this government can to do that. Cheers!
Oh...and make sure nurses get a decent wage. Thanks in advance. "you're welcome  | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it Wow. It's almost like the Tories haven't been in power for ten years. yeah i wonder why they haven't managed to sell it by now?
Has privitastion increased in the last decade?
Increased?
So you are admitting the last Labour government privatised the NHS?"This is some leap of logic from asking if the Tories have increased privatisation to the, quite frankly, bizarre accusation that the NHS has already been privatised. What's the point you're trying to make? | |||
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"I love it when a question doesnt get answered "i answered it i dont know is that not good enough for you? Did you read your paper about how labour privatized parts of the nhs or you choosing to ignore that? | |||
"If the NHS is for sale, I would ask who wants to buy it? Not taking anything away from the staff working their arses off at present, but I for one wouldn't invest in it." Virgin and Serco disagree with you. | |||
"Have a little read of this its right up your street. https://www.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/4647/29-09-2005/labours-great-nhs-sell-off This is without the 10 billion wasted on a failed computer system. "Have you travelled back in time? | |||
"If the NHS is for sale, I would ask who wants to buy it? Not taking anything away from the staff working their arses off at present, but I for one wouldn't invest in it." Here's some information about how much chunks of the NHS is worth to US big pharma companies. https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/06/business/nhs-trump-trade-drugs-analysis-intl-ge19/index.html Probably a coincidence that these industries pumped so much cash into the Leave campaigns. | |||
"If the NHS is for sale, I would ask who wants to buy it? Not taking anything away from the staff working their arses off at present, but I for one wouldn't invest in it. Here's some information about how much chunks of the NHS is worth to US big pharma companies. https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/06/business/nhs-trump-trade-drugs-analysis-intl-ge19/index.html Probably a coincidence that these industries pumped so much cash into the Leave campaigns. " This 'we'll be charged more for medicine' is old news. It's never gonna happen unless the US have a medicine that we can't source elsewhere, in which case, pay them what they want. | |||
"If the NHS is for sale, I would ask who wants to buy it? Not taking anything away from the staff working their arses off at present, but I for one wouldn't invest in it. Here's some information about how much chunks of the NHS is worth to US big pharma companies. https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/06/business/nhs-trump-trade-drugs-analysis-intl-ge19/index.html Probably a coincidence that these industries pumped so much cash into the Leave campaigns. This 'we'll be charged more for medicine' is old news. It's never gonna happen unless the US have a medicine that we can't source elsewhere, in which case, pay them what they want." Then we've got nothing to worry about eh! | |||
"If the NHS is for sale, I would ask who wants to buy it? Not taking anything away from the staff working their arses off at present, but I for one wouldn't invest in it. Here's some information about how much chunks of the NHS is worth to US big pharma companies. https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/06/business/nhs-trump-trade-drugs-analysis-intl-ge19/index.html Probably a coincidence that these industries pumped so much cash into the Leave campaigns. This 'we'll be charged more for medicine' is old news. It's never gonna happen unless the US have a medicine that we can't source elsewhere, in which case, pay them what they want. Then we've got nothing to worry about eh! "Why consume yourself with worry about something you cannot control | |||
"Have a little read of this its right up your street. https://www.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/4647/29-09-2005/labours-great-nhs-sell-off This is without the 10 billion wasted on a failed computer system.
Have you travelled back in time?"No just found it strange you only wanted to talk about the last 10 years only because it suited your narrative yet again.Personally i like to look at the whole picture not just snapshots of time you should try it as it gives you a more balanced view. | |||
"If the NHS is for sale, I would ask who wants to buy it? Not taking anything away from the staff working their arses off at present, but I for one wouldn't invest in it. Here's some information about how much chunks of the NHS is worth to US big pharma companies. https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/06/business/nhs-trump-trade-drugs-analysis-intl-ge19/index.html Probably a coincidence that these industries pumped so much cash into the Leave campaigns. This 'we'll be charged more for medicine' is old news. It's never gonna happen unless the US have a medicine that we can't source elsewhere, in which case, pay them what they want. Then we've got nothing to worry about eh!
Why consume yourself with worry about something you cannot control "We did have some control though. But people chose to put the NHS in a position where it was possible for US big pharma to buy into it. But to address your point, is it better to bury your head in the sand, than to understand what's going on in the world around you? I would suggest not. | |||
"Have a little read of this its right up your street. https://www.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/4647/29-09-2005/labours-great-nhs-sell-off This is without the 10 billion wasted on a failed computer system.
Have you travelled back in time?No just found it strange you only wanted to talk about the last 10 years only because it suited your narrative yet again.Personally i like to look at the whole picture not just snapshots of time you should try it as it gives you a more balanced view. "11 years a snapshot?
Boris's habit of taking no responsibility whatsoever certainly trickes down doesnt it? | |||
"If the NHS is for sale, I would ask who wants to buy it? Not taking anything away from the staff working their arses off at present, but I for one wouldn't invest in it. Here's some information about how much chunks of the NHS is worth to US big pharma companies. https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/06/business/nhs-trump-trade-drugs-analysis-intl-ge19/index.html Probably a coincidence that these industries pumped so much cash into the Leave campaigns. This 'we'll be charged more for medicine' is old news. It's never gonna happen unless the US have a medicine that we can't source elsewhere, in which case, pay them what they want. Then we've got nothing to worry about eh!
Why consume yourself with worry about something you cannot control
We did have some control though. But people chose to put the NHS in a position where it was possible for US big pharma to buy into it.
But to address your point, is it better to bury your head in the sand, than to understand what's going on in the world around you? I would suggest not."We never had any control. To think we did is a bit delusional. I'm not burying my head. I just prefer to focus on positive thoughts rather than negative ones. Especially negative ones that aren't true and may never be. You should try it, it's gone for ones own mental health. | |||
"Have a little read of this its right up your street. https://www.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/4647/29-09-2005/labours-great-nhs-sell-off This is without the 10 billion wasted on a failed computer system.
Have you travelled back in time?No just found it strange you only wanted to talk about the last 10 years only because it suited your narrative yet again.Personally i like to look at the whole picture not just snapshots of time you should try it as it gives you a more balanced view.
11 years a snapshot?
Boris's habit of taking no responsibility whatsoever certainly trickes down doesnt it?"Stop talking in riddles what exactly has boris done now to the nhs in your opinion that has got you so upset? | |||
"If the NHS is for sale, I would ask who wants to buy it? Not taking anything away from the staff working their arses off at present, but I for one wouldn't invest in it. Here's some information about how much chunks of the NHS is worth to US big pharma companies. https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/06/business/nhs-trump-trade-drugs-analysis-intl-ge19/index.html Probably a coincidence that these industries pumped so much cash into the Leave campaigns. This 'we'll be charged more for medicine' is old news. It's never gonna happen unless the US have a medicine that we can't source elsewhere, in which case, pay them what they want. Then we've got nothing to worry about eh!
Why consume yourself with worry about something you cannot control
We did have some control though. But people chose to put the NHS in a position where it was possible for US big pharma to buy into it.
But to address your point, is it better to bury your head in the sand, than to understand what's going on in the world around you? I would suggest not.
We never had any control. To think we did is a bit delusional.
I'm not burying my head. I just prefer to focus on positive thoughts rather than negative ones. Especially negative ones that aren't true and may never be.
You should try it, it's gone for ones own mental health."I'll stick with reality thanks. But appriciate the concern. | |||
"If the NHS is for sale, I would ask who wants to buy it? Not taking anything away from the staff working their arses off at present, but I for one wouldn't invest in it. Here's some information about how much chunks of the NHS is worth to US big pharma companies. https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/06/business/nhs-trump-trade-drugs-analysis-intl-ge19/index.html Probably a coincidence that these industries pumped so much cash into the Leave campaigns. This 'we'll be charged more for medicine' is old news. It's never gonna happen unless the US have a medicine that we can't source elsewhere, in which case, pay them what they want. Then we've got nothing to worry about eh!
Why consume yourself with worry about something you cannot control
We did have some control though. But people chose to put the NHS in a position where it was possible for US big pharma to buy into it.
But to address your point, is it better to bury your head in the sand, than to understand what's going on in the world around you? I would suggest not.
We never had any control. To think we did is a bit delusional.
I'm not burying my head. I just prefer to focus on positive thoughts rather than negative ones. Especially negative ones that aren't true and may never be.
You should try it, it's gone for ones own mental health.
I'll stick with reality thanks.
But appriciate the concern."I think I understand now. You're a pessimist. There's no helping you | |||
"If the NHS is for sale, I would ask who wants to buy it? Not taking anything away from the staff working their arses off at present, but I for one wouldn't invest in it. Here's some information about how much chunks of the NHS is worth to US big pharma companies. https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/06/business/nhs-trump-trade-drugs-analysis-intl-ge19/index.html Probably a coincidence that these industries pumped so much cash into the Leave campaigns. This 'we'll be charged more for medicine' is old news. It's never gonna happen unless the US have a medicine that we can't source elsewhere, in which case, pay them what they want. Then we've got nothing to worry about eh!
Why consume yourself with worry about something you cannot control
We did have some control though. But people chose to put the NHS in a position where it was possible for US big pharma to buy into it.
But to address your point, is it better to bury your head in the sand, than to understand what's going on in the world around you? I would suggest not.
We never had any control. To think we did is a bit delusional.
I'm not burying my head. I just prefer to focus on positive thoughts rather than negative ones. Especially negative ones that aren't true and may never be.
You should try it, it's gone for ones own mental health.
I'll stick with reality thanks.
But appriciate the concern."Thats good news at last so much better than sticking with whats in your head.reality wins every time. | |||
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"Guess I put some of my portfolio into more big pharma." wouldn't bother a lot on here believe that now sleepy joe is in there wont be any deal with the usa. | |||
"Guess I put some of my portfolio into more big pharma. wouldn't bother a lot on here believe that now sleepy joe is in there wont be any deal with the usa. "So now we're not gonna sell the NHS to the US because Joe won't allow it? All hail saviour Joe | |||
"Guess I put some of my portfolio into more big pharma. wouldn't bother a lot on here believe that now sleepy joe is in there wont be any deal with the usa.
So now we're not gonna sell the NHS to the US because Joe won't allow it?
All hail saviour Joe "Only repeating what the remainers have been telling me. | |||
"Guess I put some of my portfolio into more big pharma. wouldn't bother a lot on here believe that now sleepy joe is in there wont be any deal with the usa.
So now we're not gonna sell the NHS to the US because Joe won't allow it?
All hail saviour Joe Only repeating what the remainers have been telling me. "Got to keep my eye on this. | |||
"Guess I put some of my portfolio into more big pharma. wouldn't bother a lot on here believe that now sleepy joe is in there wont be any deal with the usa.
So now we're not gonna sell the NHS to the US because Joe won't allow it?
All hail saviour Joe Only repeating what the remainers have been telling me. "If only you paid attention to remainers in 2016 eh! | |||
"Guess I put some of my portfolio into more big pharma. wouldn't bother a lot on here believe that now sleepy joe is in there wont be any deal with the usa.
So now we're not gonna sell the NHS to the US because Joe won't allow it?
All hail saviour Joe Only repeating what the remainers have been telling me. "But they keep telling me the US conglomerates are gonna buy the NHS
It's all a bit too confusing for me. But then again, I'm thick so it's particularly surprising that I'm confused | |||
"Guess I put some of my portfolio into more big pharma. wouldn't bother a lot on here believe that now sleepy joe is in there wont be any deal with the usa.
So now we're not gonna sell the NHS to the US because Joe won't allow it?
All hail saviour Joe Only repeating what the remainers have been telling me.
But they keep telling me the US conglomerates are gonna buy the NHS
It's all a bit too confusing for me. But then again, I'm thick so it's particularly surprising that I'm confused "Me too I can increase my 401k by this decision. | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it https://www.google.com/amp/s/lowdownnhs.info/analysis/long-read/the-history-of-privatisation-part-1/%3famp The proposal to bring in compulsory competitive tendering to the NHS was first advocated by the Conservative Medical Society in a paper to the 1978 Tory conference, and after Thatcher won the 1979 election it began with a letter from the Department of Health and Social Security to all 192 district health authorities" Labour did it,Tories investigated this and did nothing Labour wrecking the NHS I think | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it https://www.google.com/amp/s/lowdownnhs.info/analysis/long-read/the-history-of-privatisation-part-1/%3famp The proposal to bring in compulsory competitive tendering to the NHS was first advocated by the Conservative Medical Society in a paper to the 1978 Tory conference, and after Thatcher won the 1979 election it began with a letter from the Department of Health and Social Security to all 192 district health authoritiesLabour did it,Tories investigated this and did nothing Labour wrecking the NHS I think" So does this mean you're switching to Labour now? | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it https://www.google.com/amp/s/lowdownnhs.info/analysis/long-read/the-history-of-privatisation-part-1/%3famp The proposal to bring in compulsory competitive tendering to the NHS was first advocated by the Conservative Medical Society in a paper to the 1978 Tory conference, and after Thatcher won the 1979 election it began with a letter from the Department of Health and Social Security to all 192 district health authoritiesLabour did it,Tories investigated this and did nothing Labour wrecking the NHS I think So does this mean you're switching to Labour now?" No one wants to be a loser. | |||
"appears that the last restrictions to the sell off of the NHS to foreign companies have been removed. What you fail to mention is the NHS moved from a public sector provider to include the private sector in 1999 under the last Labour government.!" what's your point? I could use the same logic to say that the financial crash in 2008 was Thatchers/Conservatives fault because they deregulated the banks in 1980. | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it" Absolute trash, the problem is the Conservatives have cut the health budget year on year, Germany spend a billion a week more that we do on health care. The chronic de-funding is a disgrace! I think we now have the highest infant mortality rate in Europe. Also we are the only country in Europe where life expectancy is going down! Privatised health care in this country would be atrocious, just look at the railways and how much they cost the tax payer and the commuter since privatisation. How long will people keep voting for the asset stripping parasites before they wake up?? | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it Absolute trash, the problem is the Conservatives have cut the health budget year on year, Germany spend a billion a week more that we do on health care. The chronic de-funding is a disgrace! I think we now have the highest infant mortality rate in Europe. Also we are the only country in Europe where life expectancy is going down! Privatised health care in this country would be atrocious, just look at the railways and how much they cost the tax payer and the commuter since privatisation. How long will people keep voting for the asset stripping parasites before they wake up??" False news life expectancy in the uk is not falling. | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it Absolute trash, the problem is the Conservatives have cut the health budget year on year, Germany spend a billion a week more that we do on health care. The chronic de-funding is a disgrace! I think we now have the highest infant mortality rate in Europe. Also we are the only country in Europe where life expectancy is going down! Privatised health care in this country would be atrocious, just look at the railways and how much they cost the tax payer and the commuter since privatisation. How long will people keep voting for the asset stripping parasites before they wake up??False news life expectancy in the uk is not falling. "proof please! It has been documented in books written by professors using peer reviewed statistics, mistaken are they? | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it Absolute trash, the problem is the Conservatives have cut the health budget year on year, Germany spend a billion a week more that we do on health care. The chronic de-funding is a disgrace! I think we now have the highest infant mortality rate in Europe. Also we are the only country in Europe where life expectancy is going down! Privatised health care in this country would be atrocious, just look at the railways and how much they cost the tax payer and the commuter since privatisation. How long will people keep voting for the asset stripping parasites before they wake up??False news life expectancy in the uk is not falling. proof please! It has been documented in books written by professors using peer reviewed statistics, mistaken are they? "https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/bulletins/nationallifetablesunitedkingdom/2017to2019 Here you go. If you scroll down there's a graph showing the last 40 years. Life expectancy rates have slowed but certainly not declined. | |||
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"Here you go try using more than one source before posting falsehoods. https://fullfact.org/health/life-expectancy-uk-not-falling/" It certain areas of the country life expectancy has gone down in the last 10 years. | |||
"Here you go try using more than one source before posting falsehoods. https://fullfact.org/health/life-expectancy-uk-not-falling/ It certain areas of the country life expectancy has gone down in the last 10 years." what areas? | |||
"Here you go try using more than one source before posting falsehoods. https://fullfact.org/health/life-expectancy-uk-not-falling/ It certain areas of the country life expectancy has gone down in the last 10 years." But that wasn't what he said. He said the UK is the only country in Europe where life expectancy is going down. It's just not true | |||
"Here you go try using more than one source before posting falsehoods. https://fullfact.org/health/life-expectancy-uk-not-falling/ It certain areas of the country life expectancy has gone down in the last 10 years.what areas?" Several places in the north. It was reported last year | |||
"Here you go try using more than one source before posting falsehoods. https://fullfact.org/health/life-expectancy-uk-not-falling/ It certain areas of the country life expectancy has gone down in the last 10 years. But that wasn't what he said. He said the UK is the only country in Europe where life expectancy is going down. It's just not true" Even scotland with europes lowest life expectancy has not gone down its just flat lining. | |||
"Here you go try using more than one source before posting falsehoods. https://fullfact.org/health/life-expectancy-uk-not-falling/ It certain areas of the country life expectancy has gone down in the last 10 years.what areas? Several places in the north. It was reported last year " you got a source or was the guardian again. | |||
"Here you go try using more than one source before posting falsehoods. https://fullfact.org/health/life-expectancy-uk-not-falling/ It certain areas of the country life expectancy has gone down in the last 10 years. But that wasn't what he said. He said the UK is the only country in Europe where life expectancy is going down. It's just not trueEven scotland with europes lowest life expectancy has not gone down its just flat lining. "Child poverty is on the increase. | |||
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"Here you go try using more than one source before posting falsehoods. https://fullfact.org/health/life-expectancy-uk-not-falling/ It certain areas of the country life expectancy has gone down in the last 10 years. But that wasn't what he said. He said the UK is the only country in Europe where life expectancy is going down. It's just not trueEven scotland with europes lowest life expectancy has not gone down its just flat lining.
Child poverty is on the increase. "Well relative poverty is stable but yes there are more children living in poverty the 10 years ago. However, that wasn't the argument. | |||
"https://www.actuaries.org.uk/news-and-insights/media-centre/media-releases-and-statements/longer-term-influences-driving-lower-life-expectancy-projections" Do you still not know the difference from facts and projection models? that doesnt tell me anything. | |||
"Here you go try using more than one source before posting falsehoods. https://fullfact.org/health/life-expectancy-uk-not-falling/ It certain areas of the country life expectancy has gone down in the last 10 years. But that wasn't what he said. He said the UK is the only country in Europe where life expectancy is going down. It's just not trueEven scotland with europes lowest life expectancy has not gone down its just flat lining.
Child poverty is on the increase.
Well relative poverty is stable but yes there are more children living in poverty the 10 years ago.
However, that wasn't the argument."What was the argument? | |||
"Here you go try using more than one source before posting falsehoods. https://fullfact.org/health/life-expectancy-uk-not-falling/ It certain areas of the country life expectancy has gone down in the last 10 years. But that wasn't what he said. He said the UK is the only country in Europe where life expectancy is going down. It's just not trueEven scotland with europes lowest life expectancy has not gone down its just flat lining.
Child poverty is on the increase.
Well relative poverty is stable but yes there are more children living in poverty the 10 years ago.
However, that wasn't the argument.
What was the argument? "Erm... I don't know. Maybe what you replied to | |||
"Here you go try using more than one source before posting falsehoods. https://fullfact.org/health/life-expectancy-uk-not-falling/ It certain areas of the country life expectancy has gone down in the last 10 years. But that wasn't what he said. He said the UK is the only country in Europe where life expectancy is going down. It's just not trueEven scotland with europes lowest life expectancy has not gone down its just flat lining.
Child poverty is on the increase.
Well relative poverty is stable but yes there are more children living in poverty the 10 years ago.
However, that wasn't the argument.
What was the argument?
Erm... I don't know. Maybe what you replied to "Its ok he is feeling lonely again and needs someone to engage with. | |||
"Here you go try using more than one source before posting falsehoods. https://fullfact.org/health/life-expectancy-uk-not-falling/ It certain areas of the country life expectancy has gone down in the last 10 years. But that wasn't what he said. He said the UK is the only country in Europe where life expectancy is going down. It's just not trueEven scotland with europes lowest life expectancy has not gone down its just flat lining.
Child poverty is on the increase.
Well relative poverty is stable but yes there are more children living in poverty the 10 years ago.
However, that wasn't the argument.
What was the argument?
Erm... I don't know. Maybe what you replied to Its ok he is feeling lonely again and needs someone to engage with." | |||
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"https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/whats-happening-life-expectancy-uk" Try again Lionel. That still shows it increasing | |||
"https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/whats-happening-life-expectancy-uk" cant read that one there is a privacy error sorry. Are you not happy to believe full facts and gov figures? | |||
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"Here you go try using more than one source before posting falsehoods. https://fullfact.org/health/life-expectancy-uk-not-falling/ It certain areas of the country life expectancy has gone down in the last 10 years.what areas? Several places in the north. It was reported last year you got a source or was the guardian again. " I was right all along . | |||
"https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/whats-happening-life-expectancy-uk Try again Lionel. That still shows it increasing "Between 2013 and 2018 the difference in life expectancy between the most deprived and least deprived areas widened by 0.4 years for men and 0.5 years for women | |||
"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2019/mar/07/life-expectancy-slumps-by-five-months" That's just a newspaper article on the projection model you showed earlier
I'm gonna dip out now as I don't think we're gonna get anywhere with this | |||
"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2019/mar/07/life-expectancy-slumps-by-five-months That's just a newspaper article on the projection model you showed earlier
I'm gonna dip out now as I don't think we're gonna get anywhere with this "I've just wrote out an excerpt which shows life expectancy decreasing | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2019/mar/07/life-expectancy-slumps-by-five-months That's just a newspaper article on the projection model you showed earlier
I'm gonna dip out now as I don't think we're gonna get anywhere with this
I've just wrote out an excerpt which shows life expectancy decreasing "Your excerpt shows the gap between rich and poor increasing. I haven't checked it so won't dispute that point but it doesn't show it decreasing | |||
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"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it Absolute trash, the problem is the Conservatives have cut the health budget year on year, Germany spend a billion a week more that we do on health care. The chronic de-funding is a disgrace! I think we now have the highest infant mortality rate in Europe. Also we are the only country in Europe where life expectancy is going down! Privatised health care in this country would be atrocious, just look at the railways and how much they cost the tax payer and the commuter since privatisation. How long will people keep voting for the asset stripping parasites before they wake up??False news life expectancy in the uk is not falling. proof please! It has been documented in books written by professors using peer reviewed statistics, mistaken are they?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/bulletins/nationallifetablesunitedkingdom/2017to2019
Here you go. If you scroll down there's a graph showing the last 40 years.
Life expectancy rates have slowed but certainly not declined."it shows a decline in 2014-2016, the overall trend after is a flat line. Is that somehow making it OK in your eyes we are winners in the world?at the end of the day life expectancy for women in the UK is now lower than in Austria, Belgium, Cyprus, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. Men do little better. In almost every other affluent country, apart from the US, people live longer than in the UK, often several years longer and the best countries are pulling away. Between 2011 and 2015 life expectancy rose by a year in both Norway and Finland. It rose by more than a year in Japan, despite the Japanese already having the highest life expectancy in the world.Even if its not rising here but it is all those other nations. Then I would class that as the UK being in relative decline. Why you wish to defend that baffles me. | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it Absolute trash, the problem is the Conservatives have cut the health budget year on year, Germany spend a billion a week more that we do on health care. The chronic de-funding is a disgrace! I think we now have the highest infant mortality rate in Europe. Also we are the only country in Europe where life expectancy is going down! Privatised health care in this country would be atrocious, just look at the railways and how much they cost the tax payer and the commuter since privatisation. How long will people keep voting for the asset stripping parasites before they wake up??False news life expectancy in the uk is not falling. proof please! It has been documented in books written by professors using peer reviewed statistics, mistaken are they?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/bulletins/nationallifetablesunitedkingdom/2017to2019
Here you go. If you scroll down there's a graph showing the last 40 years.
Life expectancy rates have slowed but certainly not declined. it shows a decline in 2014-2016, the overall trend after is a flat line. Is that somehow making it OK in your eyes we are winners in the world?at the end of the day life expectancy for women in the UK is now lower than in Austria, Belgium, Cyprus, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. Men do little better. In almost every other affluent country, apart from the US, people live longer than in the UK, often several years longer and the best countries are pulling away. Between 2011 and 2015 life expectancy rose by a year in both Norway and Finland. It rose by more than a year in Japan, despite the Japanese already having the highest life expectancy in the world.Even if its not rising here but it is all those other nations. Then I would class that as the UK being in relative decline. Why you wish to defend that baffles me. "I am not defending anything. I am simply pointing out that you made a false statement. And then backed that up with data. | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it Absolute trash, the problem is the Conservatives have cut the health budget year on year, Germany spend a billion a week more that we do on health care. The chronic de-funding is a disgrace! I think we now have the highest infant mortality rate in Europe. Also we are the only country in Europe where life expectancy is going down! Privatised health care in this country would be atrocious, just look at the railways and how much they cost the tax payer and the commuter since privatisation. How long will people keep voting for the asset stripping parasites before they wake up??False news life expectancy in the uk is not falling. proof please! It has been documented in books written by professors using peer reviewed statistics, mistaken are they?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/bulletins/nationallifetablesunitedkingdom/2017to2019
Here you go. If you scroll down there's a graph showing the last 40 years.
Life expectancy rates have slowed but certainly not declined. it shows a decline in 2014-2016, the overall trend after is a flat line. Is that somehow making it OK in your eyes we are winners in the world?at the end of the day life expectancy for women in the UK is now lower than in Austria, Belgium, Cyprus, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. Men do little better. In almost every other affluent country, apart from the US, people live longer than in the UK, often several years longer and the best countries are pulling away. Between 2011 and 2015 life expectancy rose by a year in both Norway and Finland. It rose by more than a year in Japan, despite the Japanese already having the highest life expectancy in the world.Even if its not rising here but it is all those other nations. Then I would class that as the UK being in relative decline. Why you wish to defend that baffles me.
I am not defending anything. I am simply pointing out that you made a false statement.
And then backed that up with data.
"I think I pointed out I made no false statement the ONS graph shows the decline between 2014-2016. | |||
"more left wing crap they have been spreading this lie since the 60's and the first selling off was done by labour and thanks to a bad building programme the NHS is in debt for billions thankyou Tony Blair. A lot of NHS problems because of labour but you lefties allways try to twist it Absolute trash, the problem is the Conservatives have cut the health budget year on year, Germany spend a billion a week more that we do on health care. The chronic de-funding is a disgrace! I think we now have the highest infant mortality rate in Europe. Also we are the only country in Europe where life expectancy is going down! Privatised health care in this country would be atrocious, just look at the railways and how much they cost the tax payer and the commuter since privatisation. How long will people keep voting for the asset stripping parasites before they wake up??False news life expectancy in the uk is not falling. proof please! It has been documented in books written by professors using peer reviewed statistics, mistaken are they?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/bulletins/nationallifetablesunitedkingdom/2017to2019
Here you go. If you scroll down there's a graph showing the last 40 years.
Life expectancy rates have slowed but certainly not declined. it shows a decline in 2014-2016, the overall trend after is a flat line. Is that somehow making it OK in your eyes we are winners in the world?at the end of the day life expectancy for women in the UK is now lower than in Austria, Belgium, Cyprus, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. Men do little better. In almost every other affluent country, apart from the US, people live longer than in the UK, often several years longer and the best countries are pulling away. Between 2011 and 2015 life expectancy rose by a year in both Norway and Finland. It rose by more than a year in Japan, despite the Japanese already having the highest life expectancy in the world.Even if its not rising here but it is all those other nations. Then I would class that as the UK being in relative decline. Why you wish to defend that baffles me.
I am not defending anything. I am simply pointing out that you made a false statement.
And then backed that up with data.
I think I pointed out I made no false statement the ONS graph shows the decline between 2014-2016. "'Also we are the only country in Europe where life expectancy is going down!' Went down and then started to increase again. 'Going down' one would argue is a statement of present, which is false. | |||
