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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Can't join you on the Trump love in dude I can't stand him, but I won't shout you down for being a fan either. I want less division on the planet. Facebook turned us into polarised factions. I want no part in that either. |
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I like they way he says - it's going to be so good, so delicious, so delectable, the best thing this country has ever seen in the history of mankind. It's gonna make your mouth water. You've never seen anything like it before in your entire life.
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He’s dangerous and tapped in to populism and wanted to rule like an unchallenged King. I’m glad he’s out. I don’t think we can be too smug with out current government though. Exactly the same tactics. Putin must be laughing his head off in the Kremlin. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Can't join you on the Trump love in dude I can't stand him, but I won't shout you down for being a fan either. I want less division on the planet. Facebook turned us into polarised factions. I want no part in that either."
I’m no Trump fan as think he’s a total megalomaniac,but has killed less people than recent presidents |
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"He’s dangerous and tapped in to populism and wanted to rule like an unchallenged King. I’m glad he’s out. I don’t think we can be too smug with out current government though. Exactly the same tactics. Putin must be laughing his head off in the Kremlin. "
Putin is laughing at everything right now.
Russia thrives by creating division within their 'enimies'
If you cause division and disorder you are free to take advantage.
Why do you think Russia got involved in the USA elections?
Why is Brexit a good thing for Russia?
Trump has always banged on about China, trust me, the biggest threat right now is Russia.
They are seriously underestimated and that's a huge mistake.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Sorry but he has no good points.
He's more dangerous than Kim Jong-un, Xi Jinping and Putin combined
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Since Trump has been in power there seems to have been less a threat of a world war than previous presidents,but still has 2 weeks to go |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I’m not a fan but he can’t be that bad, he didn’t start any wars and he was nominated for a peace prize. I heard their economy wasn’t doing too bad before Covid either. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Sorry but he has no good points.
He's more dangerous than Kim Jong-un, Xi Jinping and Putin combined
Since Trump has been in power there seems to have been less a threat of a world war than previous presidents,but still has 2 weeks to go "
He risked a full on war with the middle East by taking out Soleimani.
He got away with that one, if he got 4 more years in office he wouldnt be so lucky next time. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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The fact that Trump was elected instead of the "most qualified person ever to run for office" indicates a lot of disenfranchised Americans and a loss of trust in the political system/politicians.
For some I think a vote for Trump was a protest vote (similar to how some used the Brexit vote to show protest against the EU).
Hopefully now that the circus has ended politicians and those in authority will not neglect these demographs or ignore the electorate.
The best to hope for is that the Trump Administration will be like a thunderstorm and the air will be clearer when it ends. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The differences between world leaders is their actions.
Trump is full of himself, the showman always wanting to show who's boss regardless of the consequences.
Russia and China are more secretive. More ninja if you will. Cyber attacks, space war etc.
There will be another world war, it's only a matter of time with Iran, India, China and Russia fueling the tensions.
But Trump, well, he would be the spark to ignite it all.
Hopefully it doesn't happen in our lifetime, but it will happen |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't mean to be a Prophet of Doom here. But there are things happening with space contacts that are very worrying.
Russia test fired a weapon from a satellite.
Space has always been non territorial, but imagine if satellites could target other satellites.
Military, defence, communications etc.
Ground to air missiles can already do this. USA + China have already blown up a satellite doing this. But it's easily traced and tracked.
Do it from space, well, it's too late to act. Boom = satellite destroyed before you know it.
That's why USA + UK have spent a small fortune on recent space contracts.
A sad state of affairs, but there's more happening right now than Covid.
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Well it goes without saying it'd be far easier to list the bad things he's done. The perpetuating of his lies even after the truth was established would take hours alone to list! But, in the interest of fairness and the post's request, there are a couple or so that might surprise...
1) No new wars. So he definitely killed less people than previous recent US Presidents. But that's still maybe of little solace to the people of Afghanistan where US military action continues
2) Salary Donation. He donated all his salary inc over $100k to Alcoholics Anon in memory of his brother Fred.
3) Violent crime in the US fell each year from 2016 onwards. Yep. Its a fact.
4) Appointed 5 openly gay Ambassadors.
5) Increased funding for colleges that traditionally have black students.
6) Personally got dozens of US hostages released that Obama had failed for years to do.
Oh, he also created a new 6th wing of the Military - the infamous Space Force - but I'll let you decide whether that's good or bad! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well it goes without saying it'd be far easier to list the bad things he's done. The perpetuating of his lies even after the truth was established would take hours alone to list! But, in the interest of fairness and the post's request, there are a couple or so that might surprise...
1) No new wars. So he definitely killed less people than previous recent US Presidents. But that's still maybe of little solace to the people of Afghanistan where US military action continues
2) Salary Donation. He donated all his salary inc over $100k to Alcoholics Anon in memory of his brother Fred.
3) Violent crime in the US fell each year from 2016 onwards. Yep. Its a fact.
4) Appointed 5 openly gay Ambassadors.
5) Increased funding for colleges that traditionally have black students.
6) Personally got dozens of US hostages released that Obama had failed for years to do.
Oh, he also created a new 6th wing of the Military - the infamous Space Force - but I'll let you decide whether that's good or bad! "
Admittedly yes, he's done good for the people of USA in all the points raised and with the economy.
My issue with him, would be the prospect of a world war if he was still in power.
I believe it would be more likely with Trump, than with Biden |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He put North Korea back in its box."
Since Trump met Kin jong Un, North Korea had continued to develop it's nuclear capability, and also developed long-range missiles that experts say can strike every major city in the continental United States.
Back in its box? All Trump achieved was publicity for himself. That's what it was always about. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can't join you on the Trump love in dude I can't stand him, but I won't shout you down for being a fan either. I want less division on the planet. Facebook turned us into polarised factions. I want no part in that either."
This guy knows ^ |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The only one I can think of is that he created jobs. But what kind of employer he was or those who managed it for him.. or whether his employees were treated well is probably questionable. |
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"Can't join you on the Trump love in dude I can't stand him, but I won't shout you down for being a fan either. I want less division on the planet. Facebook turned us into polarised factions. I want no part in that either.
I’m no Trump fan as think he’s a total megalomaniac,but has killed less people than recent presidents"
He managed to kill five people all at once the other day |
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He is orange,
Oranges are good.
HE looks like a panda,
A chubby orange panda.
That is it,
After that the best part of that man (loose term)
Ran down his mother's inner leg and into an egg cup 74 years ago.
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"He put North Korea back in its box.
Since Trump met Kin jong Un, North Korea had continued to develop it's nuclear capability, and also developed long-range missiles that experts say can strike every major city in the continental United States.
Back in its box? All Trump achieved was publicity for himself. That's what it was always about."
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"The fact that Trump was elected instead of the "most qualified person ever to run for office" indicates a lot of disenfranchised Americans and a loss of trust in the political system/politicians.
For some I think a vote for Trump was a protest vote (similar to how some used the Brexit vote to show protest against the EU).
Hopefully now that the circus has ended politicians and those in authority will not neglect these demographs or ignore the electorate.
The best to hope for is that the Trump Administration will be like a thunderstorm and the air will be clearer when it ends."
A protest that will probably make a lot of people worse off.
Similarly a protest vote for trump ended up in an armed insurrection.
When people do a protest vote in future perhaps they shall have a little think of what they are actually voting for? |
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"For me killed less people than Obama,ie dropped less bombs on the Middle East and made friends with Kim Johng so made the world a safer place."
Sadly he made his own country a lot less safe, and there are probably at least 100k US citizens of the 350k covid victims whose demise might be directly attributable to Trump's incompetence. |
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"For me killed less people than Obama,ie dropped less bombs on the Middle East and made friends with Kim Johng so made the world a safer place.
Sadly he made his own country a lot less safe, and there are probably at least 100k US citizens of the 350k covid victims whose demise might be directly attributable to Trump's incompetence."
If people think trump made the world a safer place they havent been paying attention. |
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"For me killed less people than Obama,ie dropped less bombs on the Middle East and made friends with Kim Johng so made the world a safer place.
Sadly he made his own country a lot less safe, and there are probably at least 100k US citizens of the 350k covid victims whose demise might be directly attributable to Trump's incompetence.
If people think trump made the world a safer place they havent been paying attention. "
I totally agree. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Facebook or twitter don't polarise people. The divisions were there already. They have simply amplified the noise.
These companies don't force people to post ridiculous extreme views people are stupid enough to do that themselves |
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"The fact that Trump was elected instead of the "most qualified person ever to run for office" indicates a lot of disenfranchised Americans and a loss of trust in the political system/politicians.
For some I think a vote for Trump was a protest vote (similar to how some used the Brexit vote to show protest against the EU).
Hopefully now that the circus has ended politicians and those in authority will not neglect these demographs or ignore the electorate.
The best to hope for is that the Trump Administration will be like a thunderstorm and the air will be clearer when it ends."
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
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"Can't join you on the Trump love in dude I can't stand him, but I won't shout you down for being a fan either. I want less division on the planet. Facebook turned us into polarised factions. I want no part in that either.
I’m no Trump fan as think he’s a total megalomaniac,but has killed less people than recent presidents"
Seems to be working on changing that at the moment. |
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"Can't join you on the Trump love in dude I can't stand him, but I won't shout you down for being a fan either. I want less division on the planet. Facebook turned us into polarised factions. I want no part in that either.
I’m no Trump fan as think he’s a total megalomaniac,but has killed less people than recent presidents
Seems to be working on changing that at the moment."
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"For me killed less people than Obama,ie dropped less bombs on the Middle East and made friends with Kim Johng so made the world a safer place."
Think the 350k dead Americans under his mishandling of covid would disagree.
Plus, there have been 43 presidents before Obama, many slave owners, war mongers etc, but why is he always called out?!! |
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"For me killed less people than Obama,ie dropped less bombs on the Middle East and made friends with Kim Johng so made the world a safer place.
Think the 350k dead Americans under his mishandling of covid would disagree.
Plus, there have been 43 presidents before Obama, many slave owners, war mongers etc, but why is he always called out?!!"
People always forget that Obama didnt start the wars in iraq and Afghanistan. |
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The political class as a rule follow a welltrod path and trusted route and its been said for a least a couple of decades why cant someone come forth via a different path, thats Trump.
Trying to run a country as one would run a business has proved less than successful probably as much to do with the traditional political class wanting to fuck him up and his own overbearing ego and vanity.
Has it proved that someone from outside of a traditional political establishment cant make it? |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
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"For me killed less people than Obama,ie dropped less bombs on the Middle East and made friends with Kim Johng so made the world a safer place.
Think the 350k dead Americans under his mishandling of covid would disagree.
Plus, there have been 43 presidents before Obama, many slave owners, war mongers etc, but why is he always called out?!!"
Now let me think? |
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"For me killed less people than Obama,ie dropped less bombs on the Middle East and made friends with Kim Johng so made the world a safer place.
Think the 350k dead Americans under his mishandling of covid would disagree.
Plus, there have been 43 presidents before Obama, many slave owners, war mongers etc, but why is he always called out?!!
People always forget that Obama didnt start the wars in iraq and Afghanistan. "
They don't forget: selective memories and I can't for the life of me think why! She says with heavy sarcasm! |
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"The political class as a rule follow a welltrod path and trusted route and its been said for a least a couple of decades why cant someone come forth via a different path, thats Trump.
Trying to run a country as one would run a business has proved less than successful probably as much to do with the traditional political class wanting to fuck him up and his own overbearing ego and vanity.
Has it proved that someone from outside of a traditional political establishment cant make it?"
I don't thing so. Just proved that Trump didn't make it. More to do with his lack of comprehension of the world around him. A more savvy person could have made a job of it.
The Terminator was a relatively successful governor of California. |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
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This is turning into a negative thing...hard not to I guess. I think I agree with the positive about our parliamentary process, with reservations...I still struggle with him being able to say & do the things he did. Somehow the process of government seemed to fail & no one could or would say ‘NO’ you cannot say or do that...sir. |
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"For me killed less people than Obama,ie dropped less bombs on the Middle East and made friends with Kim Johng so made the world a safer place.
Think the 350k dead Americans under his mishandling of covid would disagree.
Plus, there have been 43 presidents before Obama, many slave owners, war mongers etc, but why is he always called out?!!
People always forget that Obama didnt start the wars in iraq and Afghanistan.
They don't forget: selective memories and I can't for the life of me think why! She says with heavy sarcasm!"
True |
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"The political class as a rule follow a welltrod path and trusted route and its been said for a least a couple of decades why cant someone come forth via a different path, thats Trump.
Trying to run a country as one would run a business has proved less than successful probably as much to do with the traditional political class wanting to fuck him up and his own overbearing ego and vanity.
Has it proved that someone from outside of a traditional political establishment cant make it?
I don't thing so. Just proved that Trump didn't make it. More to do with his lack of comprehension of the world around him. A more savvy person could have made a job of it.
The Terminator was a relatively successful governor of California. "
Reagon didn't have a political background did he? |
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It’s a shame how people think one person is responsible for all of those COVID deaths. In that case, every death worldwide is the direct fault the deceased persons President, or king, or PM or whatever. For Christ sake, open your sight picture a little. Some of you probably think the launch all nukes button is on the presidents night stand. No President, no matter how much of a twat he is gets the sole decision on anything. |
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"It’s a shame how people think one person is responsible for all of those COVID deaths. In that case, every death worldwide is the direct fault the deceased persons President, or king, or PM or whatever. For Christ sake, open your sight picture a little. Some of you probably think the launch all nukes button is on the presidents night stand. No President, no matter how much of a twat he is gets the sole decision on anything. "
He refused to believe it was real for months and did nothing to combat it.
This directly resulted in people dying.
That is an irrefutable fact. |
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"It’s a shame how people think one person is responsible for all of those COVID deaths. In that case, every death worldwide is the direct fault the deceased persons President, or king, or PM or whatever. For Christ sake, open your sight picture a little. Some of you probably think the launch all nukes button is on the presidents night stand. No President, no matter how much of a twat he is gets the sole decision on anything.
He refused to believe it was real for months and did nothing to combat it.
This directly resulted in people dying.
That is an irrefutable fact."
He banned flights the moment the 1st case showed up in the US. That was thought to be xenophobic by the left! |
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Reagan was indeed Governer of California and had a background as a Union Leader (screen actors I’m assuming) so although he came from a working class background he did not just appear on the political stage in the same way that Trump did. |
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"And, no country that has to maintain commerce has figured out a balance between keeping people from catching COVID and keeping people from starving."
New Zealand. |
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"Easy to blame Donald though, because he is easy to dislike."
Yeah, inciting violence which killed 5 people including a police officer doesn’t look great, but I am sure your going to defend that as well |
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"It’s a shame how people think one person is responsible for all of those COVID deaths. In that case, every death worldwide is the direct fault the deceased persons President, or king, or PM or whatever. For Christ sake, open your sight picture a little. Some of you probably think the launch all nukes button is on the presidents night stand. No President, no matter how much of a twat he is gets the sole decision on anything.
He refused to believe it was real for months and did nothing to combat it.
This directly resulted in people dying.
That is an irrefutable fact.
He banned flights the moment the 1st case showed up in the US. That was thought to be xenophobic by the left!"
Did he take covid serously? |
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"Reagan was indeed Governer of California and had a background as a Union Leader (screen actors I’m assuming) so although he came from a working class background he did not just appear on the political stage in the same way that Trump did."
Ah ok
Its painted as a positive that anyone can be president but in reality unless you are brewestered and extremely well connected,its impossible. |
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"Can't join you on the Trump love in dude I can't stand him, but I won't shout you down for being a fan either. I want less division on the planet. Facebook turned us into polarised factions. I want no part in that either.
I’m no Trump fan as think he’s a total megalomaniac,but has killed less people than recent presidents"
Are you including his own citizens in that count? |
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"Easy to blame Donald though, because he is easy to dislike.
No it's easy to blame Donald as his handling of it was catastrophic. "
I think your news has you all duped. They air nothing but bad publicity about the US to keep you distracted from how pathetic your own situation is.
Do you think England has done things better than the USA in response to COVID? |
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"It’s a shame how people think one person is responsible for all of those COVID deaths. In that case, every death worldwide is the direct fault the deceased persons President, or king, or PM or whatever. For Christ sake, open your sight picture a little. Some of you probably think the launch all nukes button is on the presidents night stand. No President, no matter how much of a twat he is gets the sole decision on anything.
He refused to believe it was real for months and did nothing to combat it.
This directly resulted in people dying.
That is an irrefutable fact.
He banned flights the moment the 1st case showed up in the US. That was thought to be xenophobic by the left!
Did he take covid serously?"
Dude! He deployed to hospital ships as the liberal media was saying it would take months to do that. Even the most hateful shits out there like Cuomo praised the President for doing what was right for the people early on....weren’t you the one saying how short memories are? |
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"It’s a shame how people think one person is responsible for all of those COVID deaths. In that case, every death worldwide is the direct fault the deceased persons President, or king, or PM or whatever. For Christ sake, open your sight picture a little. Some of you probably think the launch all nukes button is on the presidents night stand. No President, no matter how much of a twat he is gets the sole decision on anything.
He refused to believe it was real for months and did nothing to combat it.
This directly resulted in people dying.
That is an irrefutable fact.
He banned flights the moment the 1st case showed up in the US. That was thought to be xenophobic by the left!
Did he take covid serously?
Dude! He deployed to hospital ships as the liberal media was saying it would take months to do that. Even the most hateful shits out there like Cuomo praised the President for doing what was right for the people early on....weren’t you the one saying how short memories are?"
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/29/trump-coronavirus-science-denial-timeline-what-has-he-said |
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"Easy to blame Donald though, because he is easy to dislike.
No it's easy to blame Donald as his handling of it was catastrophic.
I think your news has you all duped. They air nothing but bad publicity about the US to keep you distracted from how pathetic your own situation is.
Do you think England has done things better than the USA in response to COVID?"
We have been poor
Yours has been even worse.
And trust me if ours was worse..I would say so. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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trump may be a bit of a dick and unhinged but what a lit of people fail to look at is why he got elected.all trump is the culminatuon of the last 20 to 30 yrs of american presidents ruling for the big buisnisess.same with brexit you ignore the population for long enough the first chance they get they will punnch u in the face.if things dont change the next trump like person will be ten times worse.not holding my breath though |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You know because of the pussy grabbing, and being orange."
On balance would you say his ‘good points’ outweigh his bad points? I am sure Hitler did some good things for Germany but overall he had a negative impact  |
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"Sorry but he has no good points.
He's more dangerous than Kim Jong-un, Xi Jinping and Putin combined
Since Trump has been in power there seems to have been less a threat of a world war than previous presidents,but still has 2 weeks to go
He risked a full on war with the middle East by taking out Soleimani.
He got away with that one, if he got 4 more years in office he wouldnt be so lucky next time. "
Nah. The question was what were his good points. There aren’t many, he’s a loon, but unquestionably he rowed us back from the brink of many conflicts.
The Iranian situation has been brewing for decades but the most dangerous action was withdrawing after the second gulf war when Iran was virtually begging to give up its nuclear programme. |
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"It’s a shame how people think one person is responsible for all of those COVID deaths. In that case, every death worldwide is the direct fault the deceased persons President, or king, or PM or whatever. For Christ sake, open your sight picture a little. Some of you probably think the launch all nukes button is on the presidents night stand. No President, no matter how much of a twat he is gets the sole decision on anything. "
One person, president or not is not responsible for everything, but the buck stops there. Ergo: if it's all good, great job and leadership, if it goes tits up on your watch you have to own it too. |
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"You know because of the pussy grabbing, and being orange.
On balance would you say his ‘good points’ outweigh his bad points? I am sure Hitler did some good things for Germany but overall he had a negative impact "
No, I wouldn’t say that. |
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"Easy to blame Donald though, because he is easy to dislike.
What's the problem with acknowledging Trump's poor response to the pandemic?
Everyone’s response to it is poor! "
Of that sadly, there's no denying. |
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"Fair point, but the entire world was not prepared and the situation has been dynamic to say the least. Nobody would have done it any better out of the candidates who ran in 2016. "
Not disagreeing with you. If I were American faced with Trump or Clinton, I'd have voted Trump purely because Hilary assumed and came across entitled to the black vote. |
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"I like they way he says - it's going to be so good, so delicious, so delectable, the best thing this country has ever seen in the history of mankind. It's gonna make your mouth water. You've never seen anything like it before in your entire life.
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"Probably so, but much of that ownership is on state government. "
Our lot tried that, blame local councils, but neglecting to mention the year on year erosion of powers & withdrawal of funding. |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
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"Fair point, but the entire world was not prepared and the situation has been dynamic to say the least. Nobody would have done it any better out of the candidates who ran in 2016.
Not disagreeing with you. If I were American faced with Trump or Clinton, I'd have voted Trump purely because Hilary assumed and came across entitled to the black vote."
I struggle to see the logic, not saying Hilary didn’t have her faults, but Trump was never going to be favorable to black voters & his faults are very obvious with his attitude to women & anyone that isn’t him or disagrees with him, as opposed to a sense of entitlement, which Trump had on spades...help me understand |
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"Fair point, but the entire world was not prepared and the situation has been dynamic to say the least. Nobody would have done it any better out of the candidates who ran in 2016.
Not disagreeing with you. If I were American faced with Trump or Clinton, I'd have voted Trump purely because Hilary assumed and came across entitled to the black vote."
Does Hilary having an entitled attitude, outweigh Trump's misogyny, racism, nepotism, and his policies to destroy the planet and environment?
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"Probably so, but much of that ownership is on state government.
Our lot tried that, blame local councils, but neglecting to mention the year on year erosion of powers & withdrawal of funding."
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"For me killed less people than Obama,ie dropped less bombs on the Middle East and made friends with Kim Johng so made the world a safer place."
I have one really good point !!!
He's going. (thumb
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"Well it goes without saying it'd be far easier to list the bad things he's done. The perpetuating of his lies even after the truth was established would take hours alone to list! But, in the interest of fairness and the post's request, there are a couple or so that might surprise...
1) No new wars. So he definitely killed less people than previous recent US Presidents. But that's still maybe of little solace to the people of Afghanistan where US military action continues
2) Salary Donation. He donated all his salary inc over $100k to Alcoholics Anon in memory of his brother Fred.
3) Violent crime in the US fell each year from 2016 onwards. Yep. Its a fact.
4) Appointed 5 openly gay Ambassadors.
5) Increased funding for colleges that traditionally have black students.
6) Personally got dozens of US hostages released that Obama had failed for years to do.
Oh, he also created a new 6th wing of the Military - the infamous Space Force - but I'll let you decide whether that's good or bad!
Admittedly yes, he's done good for the people of USA in all the points raised and with the economy.
My issue with him, would be the prospect of a world war if he was still in power.
I believe it would be more likely with Trump, than with Biden "
Well, I'm not sure on that. Trump could have started war with Iran but he vetoed it with less than 90 mins to spare. He's the only president not to wage new war since... I don't when. A long time anyway. Trump I think prefers blatantly lying to actual war! Its more fun for him. Plus while at war its less golf days.
Biden on the other hand is bankrolled by many of the main defence contractors. They like war. Its good for business. All those bombs dropped on kids... well... they need shiny new ones to replace them.
One thing I would say is that if any action does escalate in next 4 years it will be the puppet masters pulling the strings. Sleepy dementia riddled Biden as Commander-in -Chief? He's probably not even in control of his own bowel movements. |
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"Well it goes without saying it'd be far easier to list the bad things he's done. The perpetuating of his lies even after the truth was established would take hours alone to list! But, in the interest of fairness and the post's request, there are a couple or so that might surprise...
1) No new wars. So he definitely killed less people than previous recent US Presidents. But that's still maybe of little solace to the people of Afghanistan where US military action continues
2) Salary Donation. He donated all his salary inc over $100k to Alcoholics Anon in memory of his brother Fred.
3) Violent crime in the US fell each year from 2016 onwards. Yep. Its a fact.
4) Appointed 5 openly gay Ambassadors.
5) Increased funding for colleges that traditionally have black students.
6) Personally got dozens of US hostages released that Obama had failed for years to do.
Oh, he also created a new 6th wing of the Military - the infamous Space Force - but I'll let you decide whether that's good or bad!
Admittedly yes, he's done good for the people of USA in all the points raised and with the economy.
My issue with him, would be the prospect of a world war if he was still in power.
I believe it would be more likely with Trump, than with Biden
Well, I'm not sure on that. Trump could have started war with Iran but he vetoed it with less than 90 mins to spare. He's the only president not to wage new war since... I don't when. A long time anyway. Trump I think prefers blatantly lying to actual war! Its more fun for him. Plus while at war its less golf days.
Biden on the other hand is bankrolled by many of the main defence contractors. They like war. Its good for business. All those bombs dropped on kids... well... they need shiny new ones to replace them.
One thing I would say is that if any action does escalate in next 4 years it will be the puppet masters pulling the strings. Sleepy dementia riddled Biden as Commander-in -Chief? He's probably not even in control of his own bowel movements. "
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over a year ago
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"Probably so, but much of that ownership is on state government.
Our lot tried that, blame local councils, but neglecting to mention the year on year erosion of powers & withdrawal of funding.
Standard tory trope
Sunak has allowed local councils to hike council tax but 5% this year."
And the previous 10 years? Not to mention shifting responsibilities to localize , which is a good thing, but not adding additional funding to allow it to function properly. |
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"Well it goes without saying it'd be far easier to list the bad things he's done. The perpetuating of his lies even after the truth was established would take hours alone to list! But, in the interest of fairness and the post's request, there are a couple or so that might surprise...
1) No new wars. So he definitely killed less people than previous recent US Presidents. But that's still maybe of little solace to the people of Afghanistan where US military action continues
2) Salary Donation. He donated all his salary inc over $100k to Alcoholics Anon in memory of his brother Fred.
3) Violent crime in the US fell each year from 2016 onwards. Yep. Its a fact.
4) Appointed 5 openly gay Ambassadors.
5) Increased funding for colleges that traditionally have black students.
6) Personally got dozens of US hostages released that Obama had failed for years to do.
Oh, he also created a new 6th wing of the Military - the infamous Space Force - but I'll let you decide whether that's good or bad!
Admittedly yes, he's done good for the people of USA in all the points raised and with the economy.
My issue with him, would be the prospect of a world war if he was still in power.
I believe it would be more likely with Trump, than with Biden
Well, I'm not sure on that. Trump could have started war with Iran but he vetoed it with less than 90 mins to spare. He's the only president not to wage new war since... I don't when. A long time anyway. Trump I think prefers blatantly lying to actual war! Its more fun for him. Plus while at war its less golf days.
Biden on the other hand is bankrolled by many of the main defence contractors. They like war. Its good for business. All those bombs dropped on kids... well... they need shiny new ones to replace them.
One thing I would say is that if any action does escalate in next 4 years it will be the puppet masters pulling the strings. Sleepy dementia riddled Biden as Commander-in -Chief? He's probably not even in control of his own bowel movements.
Trump is a dick but I don't think the people who are crowing about his demise have really thought about what the consequences of Biden as President will be "
Not having a narcissistic sex pest criminal man child as president? |
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"It’s a shame how people think one person is responsible for all of those COVID deaths. In that case, every death worldwide is the direct fault the deceased persons President, or king, or PM or whatever. For Christ sake, open your sight picture a little. Some of you probably think the launch all nukes button is on the presidents night stand. No President, no matter how much of a twat he is gets the sole decision on anything. "
Personally I don't believe Trump is responsible for 'all of those Covid deaths' however his intransigence, cavalier attitude towards science and a lack of leadership has certainly contributed significantly to the accumulating death toll.
After all he claims credit for other things which reflect positively that he had no direct influence over, he can't have it both ways. |
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Trump is a dick but I don't think the people who are crowing about his demise have really thought about what the consequences of Biden as President will be
And those will be?"
Who knows. Biden doesn't |
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"Well it goes without saying it'd be far easier to list the bad things he's done. The perpetuating of his lies even after the truth was established would take hours alone to list! But, in the interest of fairness and the post's request, there are a couple or so that might surprise...
1) No new wars. So he definitely killed less people than previous recent US Presidents. But that's still maybe of little solace to the people of Afghanistan where US military action continues
2) Salary Donation. He donated all his salary inc over $100k to Alcoholics Anon in memory of his brother Fred.
3) Violent crime in the US fell each year from 2016 onwards. Yep. Its a fact.
4) Appointed 5 openly gay Ambassadors.
5) Increased funding for colleges that traditionally have black students.
6) Personally got dozens of US hostages released that Obama had failed for years to do.
Oh, he also created a new 6th wing of the Military - the infamous Space Force - but I'll let you decide whether that's good or bad!
Admittedly yes, he's done good for the people of USA in all the points raised and with the economy.
My issue with him, would be the prospect of a world war if he was still in power.
I believe it would be more likely with Trump, than with Biden
Well, I'm not sure on that. Trump could have started war with Iran but he vetoed it with less than 90 mins to spare. He's the only president not to wage new war since... I don't when. A long time anyway. Trump I think prefers blatantly lying to actual war! Its more fun for him. Plus while at war its less golf days.
Biden on the other hand is bankrolled by many of the main defence contractors. They like war. Its good for business. All those bombs dropped on kids... well... they need shiny new ones to replace them.
One thing I would say is that if any action does escalate in next 4 years it will be the puppet masters pulling the strings. Sleepy dementia riddled Biden as Commander-in -Chief? He's probably not even in control of his own bowel movements. "
He's the only president not to wage a new war since his predecessor. |
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Trump is a dick but I don't think the people who are crowing about his demise have really thought about what the consequences of Biden as President will be
And those will be?
Who knows. Biden doesn't "
Just a random stab then. |
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Trump is a dick but I don't think the people who are crowing about his demise have really thought about what the consequences of Biden as President will be
And those will be?
Who knows. Biden doesn't "
Probs because he cant read the future. |
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Trump is a dick but I don't think the people who are crowing about his demise have really thought about what the consequences of Biden as President will be
And those will be?
Who knows. Biden doesn't
Probs because he cant read the future. "
No, because he's just a puppet |
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Trump is a dick but I don't think the people who are crowing about his demise have really thought about what the consequences of Biden as President will be
And those will be?
Who knows. Biden doesn't
Probs because he cant read the future.
No, because he's just a puppet "
Arent they all? |
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Trump is a dick but I don't think the people who are crowing about his demise have really thought about what the consequences of Biden as President will be
And those will be?
Who knows. Biden doesn't
Probs because he cant read the future.
No, because he's just a puppet
Arent they all?"
Except for Trump maybe |
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"Fair point, but the entire world was not prepared and the situation has been dynamic to say the least. Nobody would have done it any better out of the candidates who ran in 2016.
Not disagreeing with you. If I were American faced with Trump or Clinton, I'd have voted Trump purely because Hilary assumed and came across entitled to the black vote.
I struggle to see the logic, not saying Hilary didn’t have her faults, but Trump was never going to be favorable to black voters & his faults are very obvious with his attitude to women & anyone that isn’t him or disagrees with him, as opposed to a sense of entitlement, which Trump had on spades...help me understand "
I have "c"onservative values, but if I were American I'd have voted for Obama. With him gone I'd have reverted back to Republican as all I knew about Trump was he is a billionaire with a building with his name on and a tv personality.
What harm could he do right? |
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Trump is a dick but I don't think the people who are crowing about his demise have really thought about what the consequences of Biden as President will be
And those will be?
Who knows. Biden doesn't
Probs because he cant read the future.
No, because he's just a puppet
Arent they all?
Except for Trump maybe "
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Trump is a dick but I don't think the people who are crowing about his demise have really thought about what the consequences of Biden as President will be
And those will be?
Who knows. Biden doesn't
Probs because he cant read the future.
No, because he's just a puppet
Arent they all?
Except for Trump maybe "
yes biden who was going to bring the usa together in a time for healing has just been on news saying trump is a twat, bet thats made all trump voters want to hug him lol cue more unrest....
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"For me killed less people than Obama,ie dropped less bombs on the Middle East and made friends with Kim Johng so made the world a safer place."
He did he was not all bad by a long way.
If no covid he would have walked to power the economy was booming.
Overall Americans do not worry about free health,welfare etc it is everyman for himself,that is the American way.
Now covid might change this but Us values are very different to ours.
In Britain we would probably call Biden right wing |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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Trump is a dick but I don't think the people who are crowing about his demise have really thought about what the consequences of Biden as President will be
And those will be?
Who knows. Biden doesn't
Probs because he cant read the future.
No, because he's just a puppet
Arent they all?"
allways cynical but in thi case agree lol |
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over a year ago
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"Fair point, but the entire world was not prepared and the situation has been dynamic to say the least. Nobody would have done it any better out of the candidates who ran in 2016.
Not disagreeing with you. If I were American faced with Trump or Clinton, I'd have voted Trump purely because Hilary assumed and came across entitled to the black vote.
I struggle to see the logic, not saying Hilary didn’t have her faults, but Trump was never going to be favorable to black voters & his faults are very obvious with his attitude to women & anyone that isn’t him or disagrees with him, as opposed to a sense of entitlement, which Trump had on spades...help me understand
I have "c"onservative values, but if I were American I'd have voted for Obama. With him gone I'd have reverted back to Republican as all I knew about Trump was he is a billionaire with a building with his name on and a tv personality.
What harm could he do right?"
Doesn’t help me understand. You knew nothing about Trump but money, which is a given no matter what political leanings you have, you know far more about Clinton..good & bad & yet voted for Trump. |
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"Can't join you on the Trump love in dude I can't stand him, but I won't shout you down for being a fan either. I want less division on the planet. Facebook turned us into polarised factions. I want no part in that either.
I’m no Trump fan as think he’s a total megalomaniac,but has killed less people than recent presidents"
....he has killed more people in the US than anyone since the Civil War. The man is abominable. |
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See team Biden is trying to incite trump supporters ban them off twitter lol ranting on about he might start a nuclear war!
Trump has perhaps stopped a nuclear war lol saving more lives than any president. Just a thought..... |
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"Can't join you on the Trump love in dude I can't stand him, but I won't shout you down for being a fan either. I want less division on the planet. Facebook turned us into polarised factions. I want no part in that either.
I’m no Trump fan as think he’s a total megalomaniac,but has killed less people than recent presidents
....he has killed more people in the US than anyone since the Civil War. The man is abominable."
It's a virus that killed it has 0 political affiliation. It does not care about what your beliefs are it does not care about lockdowns or economic impact. It is relentless in it's pursuit |
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"For me killed less people than Obama,ie dropped less bombs on the Middle East and made friends with Kim Johng so made the world a safer place."
You seem to forget about all the people who have died of COVID-19! In the US
WTF!!!? |
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Trump is a dick but I don't think the people who are crowing about his demise have really thought about what the consequences of Biden as President will be
And those will be?
Who knows. Biden doesn't
Probs because he cant read the future.
No, because he's just a puppet
Arent they all?
Except for Trump maybe
yes biden who was going to bring the usa together in a time for healing has just been on news saying trump is a twat, bet thats made all trump voters want to hug him lol cue more unrest....
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"Can't join you on the Trump love in dude I can't stand him, but I won't shout you down for being a fan either. I want less division on the planet. Facebook turned us into polarised factions. I want no part in that either.
I’m no Trump fan as think he’s a total megalomaniac,but has killed less people than recent presidents"
He has the blood of far more U.S. citizens on his hands.
I'd say that negates your point. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"For me killed less people than Obama,ie dropped less bombs on the Middle East and made friends with Kim Johng so made the world a safer place."
But did he really.... he sold out his allies in Syria to the Russians... and he sold out the Kurds, who did his ground fighting against isis, to the Turks
And in both cases left his nato allies vulnerable |
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By *atonMan
over a year ago
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He did kill less than his murdering predecessors but he escalated illegal punitive counter productive drone attacks murdering innocents. Truth is him Bush Obama Clinton should be behind bars . |
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"For me killed less people than Obama..."
"I’m not a fan but he can’t be that bad, he didn’t start any wars and he was nominated for a peace prize. I heard their economy wasn’t doing too bad before Covid either. "
Has everyone forgotten he's had heading for 400,000 people killed with an incompetent and dangerous response to the Covid pandemic? If you're a senior politician, it's a simple matter to be nominated for a Nobel peace prize, and in Trump's case he found a minor right wing nutcase politician to do it for him. As for the economy, Trump's always seen it as Dow Jones and Wall Street, not in terms of the millions of struggling poor Americans.
Don't waste your time looking for his good points. Trump is the worst president there's ever been, and maybe one of the worst people there's ever been. Roll on his removal. |
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"For me killed less people than Obama,ie dropped less bombs on the Middle East and made friends with Kim Johng so made the world a safer place."
Trump did have some good aspects compared to previous Presidents yes but he spoilt the bad stuff he didn't do with so much stupid stuff he did or mainly said. |
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"He’s dangerous and tapped in to populism and wanted to rule like an unchallenged King. I’m glad he’s out. I don’t think we can be too smug with out current government though. Exactly the same tactics. Putin must be laughing his head off in the Kremlin.
Putin is laughing at everything right now.
Russia thrives by creating division within their 'enimies'
If you cause division and disorder you are free to take advantage.
Why do you think Russia got involved in the USA elections?
Why is Brexit a good thing for Russia?
Trump has always banged on about China, trust me, the biggest threat right now is Russia.
They are seriously underestimated and that's a huge mistake.
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After the election, when Trump would not concede, Republican officials, following suit, would not recognize the results. Humor Trump, they said. What harm could come from giving him time to get used to being a loser? Here is the result: Terrorism. The US Capitol under siege. Trump’s troops on the rampage. The United States diminished and disgraced. And Trump, despite pleas from former aides and others, doing little to control the furies he deliberately let loose. He issued one weak tweet asking for calm. He then posted a video in which he asked the rioters to leave the Capitol but reaffirmed the bogus grievance motivating them: the “election was stolen” and “everyone knows this.” He then added, “We love you.” He told the criminal thugs who had overrun Congress that he loved them. He would not repudiate them.
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"After the election, when Trump would not concede, Republican officials, following suit, would not recognize the results. Humor Trump, they said. What harm could come from giving him time to get used to being a loser? Here is the result: Terrorism. The US Capitol under siege. Trump’s troops on the rampage. The United States diminished and disgraced. And Trump, despite pleas from former aides and others, doing little to control the furies he deliberately let loose. He issued one weak tweet asking for calm. He then posted a video in which he asked the rioters to leave the Capitol but reaffirmed the bogus grievance motivating them: the “election was stolen” and “everyone knows this.” He then added, “We love you.” He told the criminal thugs who had overrun Congress that he loved them. He would not repudiate them.
Nothing good from this man "
Such a good post, a step guide to the development of facism.
In the early days Trump was mildly amusing, surely no one took him seriously, but they did.
The cognitive dissonance his Republican colleagues experienced just to be able to get on the job provided a vacuum where he went unchallenged..and if he wasn't being challenged by Republicans then his supporters had nothing to disbelieve, the President would always be right.
After last week the worm turned, Republican politicians and traditional supporters are looking at each bewildered..what a cost they (and the rest of the US) has paid for their silence. |
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"After the election, when Trump would not concede, Republican officials, following suit, would not recognize the results. Humor Trump, they said. What harm could come from giving him time to get used to being a loser? Here is the result: Terrorism. The US Capitol under siege. Trump’s troops on the rampage. The United States diminished and disgraced. And Trump, despite pleas from former aides and others, doing little to control the furies he deliberately let loose. He issued one weak tweet asking for calm. He then posted a video in which he asked the rioters to leave the Capitol but reaffirmed the bogus grievance motivating them: the “election was stolen” and “everyone knows this.” He then added, “We love you.” He told the criminal thugs who had overrun Congress that he loved them. He would not repudiate them.
Nothing good from this man
Such a good post, a step guide to the development of facism.
In the early days Trump was mildly amusing, surely no one took him seriously, but they did.
The cognitive dissonance his Republican colleagues experienced just to be able to get on the job provided a vacuum where he went unchallenged..and if he wasn't being challenged by Republicans then his supporters had nothing to disbelieve, the President would always be right.
After last week the worm turned, Republican politicians and traditional supporters are looking at each bewildered..what a cost they (and the rest of the US) has paid for their silence."
It’s a point.... I think you also need to look at who is feeding him so to speak
In the us, those in the senate serve 6 year terms... so those who feel they have to cling closest to trump are those up for re-election in 2022... and those looking at a possible run at president in 2024 who want to be seen as heir to trump..
Because those who serve in congress only have 2 year terms... they are going to be up for challengers within their own party in the next 12-18 months before any midterms contest in 22, they are shit scared of up against a trump endorsed candidate if they go against him.....
That’s why there is much more people in the house willing to ride and die with him..... |
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