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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 " How much is the fee? | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 " Brexit has given you the opportunity to by something different from a new market....instead of something you wanted from a market you had. Hey ho as long as the off shore accounts are safe | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 " You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports ." And this reduces our choices as a consumer and increases our costs, which really helps the poor in these tines. Off shore account...check still safe | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 Brexit has given you the opportunity to by something different from a new market....instead of something you wanted from a market you had. Hey ho as long as the off shore accounts are safe " What's the new market? How can we get some things from it? | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . And this reduces our choices as a consumer and increases our costs, which really helps the poor in these tines. Off shore account...check still safe " Not sure it reduces choice if there is a demand someone will meet it, as for costs it will be tiny unless it's a single import the company does,and are the "poor" buying stuff from abroad such as high end booze ? Also the taxes this brings in pays for the services the country uses. It's not a new tax it's just trying to makes sure we collect it all, or are you supporting tax evasion ? | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports ." So the world now has to pay to sell to us lol Strident brexiteers will always say brexit is gorgeous but to me under the make up it will always be the same pig, yes we can continue to dress it up with a wig and perhaps some lingerie but really it's never going to match the EU supermodel we had. | |||
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" EU share trading flees London on first day after full Brexit Nearly €6bn of dealing rerouted to newly created European hubs and primary exchanges London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on the first trading day of 2021 as nearly €6bn of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. Trading in equities such as Santander, Deutsche Bank and Total moved to EU marketplaces or back to primary exchanges such as the Madrid, Frankfurt and Paris bourses, according to data from Refinitiv — an abrupt change for investors in London who have grown accustomed to trading shares in Europe across borders without restrictions. Business on London hubs for euro-denominated share trading, including Cboe Europe, Turquoise and Aquis Exchange, shifted to their new EU venues set up late last year to cater for the end of the Brexit transition. The volume amounted to a sixth of all business on exchanges in Europe on Monday. “It’s been an extraordinary day. Shifting liquidity is one of the hardest things to do. It’s not ‘Big Bang’ — it’s ‘Bang and It’s Gone’. The City has lost its European share business,” said Alasdair Haynes, chief executive of Aquis Exchange. Although not the City’s most lucrative business, the departure of the share trading will mean less in tax receipts for the UK government. Mr Haynes also noted that it could encourage companies to list in the EU to benefit from smoother, more active trading conditions. " | |||
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"From the FT EU share trading flees London on first day after full Brexit Nearly €6bn of dealing rerouted to newly created European hubs and primary exchanges London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on the first trading day of 2021 as nearly €6bn of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. Trading in equities such as Santander, Deutsche Bank and Total moved to EU marketplaces or back to primary exchanges such as the Madrid, Frankfurt and Paris bourses, according to data from Refinitiv — an abrupt change for investors in London who have grown accustomed to trading shares in Europe across borders without restrictions. Business on London hubs for euro-denominated share trading, including Cboe Europe, Turquoise and Aquis Exchange, shifted to their new EU venues set up late last year to cater for the end of the Brexit transition. The volume amounted to a sixth of all business on exchanges in Europe on Monday. “It’s been an extraordinary day. Shifting liquidity is one of the hardest things to do. It’s not ‘Big Bang’ — it’s ‘Bang and It’s Gone’. The City has lost its European share business,” said Alasdair Haynes, chief executive of Aquis Exchange. Although not the City’s most lucrative business, the departure of the share trading will mean less in tax receipts for the UK government. Mr Haynes also noted that it could encourage companies to list in the EU to benefit from smoother, more active trading conditions. " These Brexit bonuses only get better and better......  | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . And this reduces our choices as a consumer and increases our costs, which really helps the poor in these tines. Off shore account...check still safe Not sure it reduces choice if there is a demand someone will meet it, as for costs it will be tiny unless it's a single import the company does,and are the "poor" buying stuff from abroad such as high end booze ? Also the taxes this brings in pays for the services the country uses. It's not a new tax it's just trying to makes sure we collect it all, or are you supporting tax evasion ? " Tax evasion....off shore tax evasion scam still working ok ...Check ...next question pleasw. | |||
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"From the FT EU share trading flees London on first day after full Brexit Nearly €6bn of dealing rerouted to newly created European hubs and primary exchanges London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on the first trading day of 2021 as nearly €6bn of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. Trading in equities such as Santander, Deutsche Bank and Total moved to EU marketplaces or back to primary exchanges such as the Madrid, Frankfurt and Paris bourses, according to data from Refinitiv — an abrupt change for investors in London who have grown accustomed to trading shares in Europe across borders without restrictions. Business on London hubs for euro-denominated share trading, including Cboe Europe, Turquoise and Aquis Exchange, shifted to their new EU venues set up late last year to cater for the end of the Brexit transition. The volume amounted to a sixth of all business on exchanges in Europe on Monday. “It’s been an extraordinary day. Shifting liquidity is one of the hardest things to do. It’s not ‘Big Bang’ — it’s ‘Bang and It’s Gone’. The City has lost its European share business,” said Alasdair Haynes, chief executive of Aquis Exchange. Although not the City’s most lucrative business, the departure of the share trading will mean less in tax receipts for the UK government. Mr Haynes also noted that it could encourage companies to list in the EU to benefit from smoother, more active trading conditions. These Brexit bonuses only get better and better...... "If only nearly half of the country could have forseen and warned of this in 2016, if only....  | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . And this reduces our choices as a consumer and increases our costs, which really helps the poor in these tines. Off shore account...check still safe Not sure it reduces choice if there is a demand someone will meet it, as for costs it will be tiny unless it's a single import the company does,and are the "poor" buying stuff from abroad such as high end booze ? Also the taxes this brings in pays for the services the country uses. It's not a new tax it's just trying to makes sure we collect it all, or are you supporting tax evasion ? Tax evasion....off shore tax evasion scam still working ok ...Check ...next question pleasw." So you're only cross about tax evasion when someone else benefits, when you do it's fine and Dandy, sounds about right. | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports ." As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT. | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT." Aren't the EU bringing in more VAT rules to cover digital sales between member countries later this year? Similar to whats now occurring between the EU snd the UK. | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT. Aren't the EU bringing in more VAT rules to cover digital sales between member countries later this year? Similar to whats now occurring between the EU snd the UK. " Yes July 2021 Moving the collection of vat to point of sale Also IOSS - simplified import one stop shop | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT. Aren't the EU bringing in more VAT rules to cover digital sales between member countries later this year? Similar to whats now occurring between the EU snd the UK. Yes July 2021 Moving the collection of vat to point of sale Also IOSS - simplified import one stop shop " That's just ended this thread | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT. Aren't the EU bringing in more VAT rules to cover digital sales between member countries later this year? Similar to whats now occurring between the EU snd the UK. Yes July 2021 Moving the collection of vat to point of sale Also IOSS - simplified import one stop shop That's just ended this thread "Still going  | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT. Aren't the EU bringing in more VAT rules to cover digital sales between member countries later this year? Similar to whats now occurring between the EU snd the UK. Yes July 2021 Moving the collection of vat to point of sale Also IOSS - simplified import one stop shop That's just ended this thread
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT." Ffs that's the whole point a lot of these small importers arent charging collecting and paying the vat, this undercuts uk based businesses and importing companies who are. They are breaking the law, this is a way of ensuring a level playing field | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT. Ffs that's the whole point a lot of these small importers arent charging collecting and paying the vat, this undercuts uk based businesses and importing companies who are. They are breaking the law, this is a way of ensuring a level playing field" I refuse to believe any of the salty remoaners in this thread have ever run as much as a whelk stall. | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT. Ffs that's the whole point a lot of these small importers arent charging collecting and paying the vat, this undercuts uk based businesses and importing companies who are. They are breaking the law, this is a way of ensuring a level playing field I refuse to believe any of the salty remoaners in this thread have ever run as much as a whelk stall. " So you associate people who aren't easily swayed by Propaganda with being people who can't run a business? You brexiteers get weirder by the day. | |||
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"Well we now have only one truck stuck waiting for HMRC to issue a T1 document . He’s in a big queue but you won’t see the queue as our wonderfully deceitful government have gone into traffic management. We are all used to electronic PDF paperwork helping to speed up any process for years but amazingly for. T 1 into Europe, the driver now has to appear in person at an inland customs facility to be personally issued with a hard copy paper version. Theses facilities have suddenly appeared next to truck parks (not all) stops around the country. According to HMRC this system is being used for Dover / Folkestone and Holyhead. There is only one reason for this backwards step and it’s to stop the massive queues in Kent being shown on the news. One truck on his way after 4 hours the other still waiting. Guess who’s picking up the many hundreds of Euros Bill? A clue it’s not the EU!! Even without the delay we have to pay for the truck and driver to be diverted and delayed for at least two hours. Added cost on every job. The predicted lorry queue is forming but like Alton towers you can’t see the length of it as it’s depressing to customers so it’s been spread out across the country. I also suspect the paperwork system is slowing down inputs to protect the old fashioned chief IT system. We only planned 20 jobs this week to avoid the chaos . Looks like we are going to have some fun even with those few. The subcontractor still stuck has told us they won’t be coming back until the system is sorted electronically. They are not interested in the delays. Another fine win Boris! " How long before the msm realise all of the chaos you describe is being cleverly hidden from the media crews hanging around the ports, who have been stationed there eagerly waiting for the “told you this would happen” coverage... | |||
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"Well we now have only one truck stuck waiting for HMRC to issue a T1 document . He’s in a big queue but you won’t see the queue as our wonderfully deceitful government have gone into traffic management. We are all used to electronic PDF paperwork helping to speed up any process for years but amazingly for. T 1 into Europe, the driver now has to appear in person at an inland customs facility to be personally issued with a hard copy paper version. Theses facilities have suddenly appeared next to truck parks (not all) stops around the country. According to HMRC this system is being used for Dover / Folkestone and Holyhead. There is only one reason for this backwards step and it’s to stop the massive queues in Kent being shown on the news. One truck on his way after 4 hours the other still waiting. Guess who’s picking up the many hundreds of Euros Bill? A clue it’s not the EU!! Even without the delay we have to pay for the truck and driver to be diverted and delayed for at least two hours. Added cost on every job. The predicted lorry queue is forming but like Alton towers you can’t see the length of it as it’s depressing to customers so it’s been spread out across the country. I also suspect the paperwork system is slowing down inputs to protect the old fashioned chief IT system. We only planned 20 jobs this week to avoid the chaos . Looks like we are going to have some fun even with those few. The subcontractor still stuck has told us they won’t be coming back until the system is sorted electronically. They are not interested in the delays. Another fine win Boris! How long before the msm realise all of the chaos you describe is being cleverly hidden from the media crews hanging around the ports, who have been stationed there eagerly waiting for the “told you this would happen” coverage..." It makes sense they're ready to report on it. The government are expected problems. Presumably. Otherwise they wouldn't have built the big lorry parks in Kent. | |||
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"Well we now have only one truck stuck waiting for HMRC to issue a T1 document . He’s in a big queue but you won’t see the queue as our wonderfully deceitful government have gone into traffic management. We are all used to electronic PDF paperwork helping to speed up any process for years but amazingly for. T 1 into Europe, the driver now has to appear in person at an inland customs facility to be personally issued with a hard copy paper version. Theses facilities have suddenly appeared next to truck parks (not all) stops around the country. According to HMRC this system is being used for Dover / Folkestone and Holyhead. There is only one reason for this backwards step and it’s to stop the massive queues in Kent being shown on the news. One truck on his way after 4 hours the other still waiting. Guess who’s picking up the many hundreds of Euros Bill? A clue it’s not the EU!! Even without the delay we have to pay for the truck and driver to be diverted and delayed for at least two hours. Added cost on every job. The predicted lorry queue is forming but like Alton towers you can’t see the length of it as it’s depressing to customers so it’s been spread out across the country. I also suspect the paperwork system is slowing down inputs to protect the old fashioned chief IT system. We only planned 20 jobs this week to avoid the chaos . Looks like we are going to have some fun even with those few. The subcontractor still stuck has told us they won’t be coming back until the system is sorted electronically. They are not interested in the delays. Another fine win Boris! " Brexiter response..."Fake news" | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT. Aren't the EU bringing in more VAT rules to cover digital sales between member countries later this year? Similar to whats now occurring between the EU snd the UK. Yes July 2021 Moving the collection of vat to point of sale Also IOSS - simplified import one stop shop That's just ended this thread "How has it? 1) We are out of the EU and... 2) as we are often reminded what about the rest of the world? | |||
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"Well we now have only one truck stuck waiting for HMRC to issue a T1 document . He’s in a big queue but you won’t see the queue as our wonderfully deceitful government have gone into traffic management. We are all used to electronic PDF paperwork helping to speed up any process for years but amazingly for. T 1 into Europe, the driver now has to appear in person at an inland customs facility to be personally issued with a hard copy paper version. Theses facilities have suddenly appeared next to truck parks (not all) stops around the country. According to HMRC this system is being used for Dover / Folkestone and Holyhead. There is only one reason for this backwards step and it’s to stop the massive queues in Kent being shown on the news. One truck on his way after 4 hours the other still waiting. Guess who’s picking up the many hundreds of Euros Bill? A clue it’s not the EU!! Even without the delay we have to pay for the truck and driver to be diverted and delayed for at least two hours. Added cost on every job. The predicted lorry queue is forming but like Alton towers you can’t see the length of it as it’s depressing to customers so it’s been spread out across the country. I also suspect the paperwork system is slowing down inputs to protect the old fashioned chief IT system. We only planned 20 jobs this week to avoid the chaos . Looks like we are going to have some fun even with those few. The subcontractor still stuck has told us they won’t be coming back until the system is sorted electronically. They are not interested in the delays. Another fine win Boris! How long before the msm realise all of the chaos you describe is being cleverly hidden from the media crews hanging around the ports, who have been stationed there eagerly waiting for the “told you this would happen” coverage... It makes sense they're ready to report on it. The government are expected problems. Presumably. Otherwise they wouldn't have built the big lorry parks in Kent." Oh dear  | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT. Aren't the EU bringing in more VAT rules to cover digital sales between member countries later this year? Similar to whats now occurring between the EU snd the UK. Yes July 2021 Moving the collection of vat to point of sale Also IOSS - simplified import one stop shop That's just ended this thread
How has it?
1) We are out of the EU and...
2) as we are often reminded what about the rest of the world?"Our biggest customer? What about it? | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT. Ffs that's the whole point a lot of these small importers arent charging collecting and paying the vat, this undercuts uk based businesses and importing companies who are. They are breaking the law, this is a way of ensuring a level playing field I refuse to believe any of the salty remoaners in this thread have ever run as much as a whelk stall. " Until Brexit 3 million turnover thanks However due to Brexit im going to sell and move on Thank you Brexit Britain  | |||
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"Well we now have only one truck stuck waiting for HMRC to issue a T1 document . He’s in a big queue but you won’t see the queue as our wonderfully deceitful government have gone into traffic management. We are all used to electronic PDF paperwork helping to speed up any process for years but amazingly for. T 1 into Europe, the driver now has to appear in person at an inland customs facility to be personally issued with a hard copy paper version. Theses facilities have suddenly appeared next to truck parks (not all) stops around the country. According to HMRC this system is being used for Dover / Folkestone and Holyhead. There is only one reason for this backwards step and it’s to stop the massive queues in Kent being shown on the news. One truck on his way after 4 hours the other still waiting. Guess who’s picking up the many hundreds of Euros Bill? A clue it’s not the EU!! Even without the delay we have to pay for the truck and driver to be diverted and delayed for at least two hours. Added cost on every job. The predicted lorry queue is forming but like Alton towers you can’t see the length of it as it’s depressing to customers so it’s been spread out across the country. I also suspect the paperwork system is slowing down inputs to protect the old fashioned chief IT system. We only planned 20 jobs this week to avoid the chaos . Looks like we are going to have some fun even with those few. The subcontractor still stuck has told us they won’t be coming back until the system is sorted electronically. They are not interested in the delays. Another fine win Boris! Brexiter response..."Fake news"" I’m actually more pissed off that the government are hiding it rather than dealing with it. That’s not good for anyone of our futures . Government by deceit is not good whether your pro or anti Brexit . It’s my government too! That goes to the crux of basic honesty. | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT. Aren't the EU bringing in more VAT rules to cover digital sales between member countries later this year? Similar to whats now occurring between the EU snd the UK. Yes July 2021 Moving the collection of vat to point of sale Also IOSS - simplified import one stop shop That's just ended this thread
How has it?
1) We are out of the EU and...
2) as we are often reminded what about the rest of the world?
Our biggest customer? What about it? "The whole point of the thread is that the U.K. has unilaterally decided that small retailers from anywhere in the world now have to pay a fee and register with HMRC to sell small items to U.K. based customers. Yes it impacts EU sellers as it does American, Chinese and African sellers. The issue with the EU setting up their own similar system is that vendors would then have to register to sell to the EU too, whilst internally within the EU, nothing really changes within their Single Market. This action by the U.K. is an ill thought out attempt to get ahead of the proposed EU action without really thinking through the longer term consequences. | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT. Ffs that's the whole point a lot of these small importers arent charging collecting and paying the vat, this undercuts uk based businesses and importing companies who are. They are breaking the law, this is a way of ensuring a level playing field I refuse to believe any of the salty remoaners in this thread have ever run as much as a whelk stall. Until Brexit 3 million turnover thanks However due to Brexit im going to sell and move on Thank you Brexit Britain "Oh give over you can’t make monster claims like that without providing some detail of what you think has happened SPECIFICALLY because of Brexit. When the chief executive of Next (importers...) is telling everyone that COVID has a hundred times the impact of Brexit, your credibility is slipping with me. | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT. Ffs that's the whole point a lot of these small importers arent charging collecting and paying the vat, this undercuts uk based businesses and importing companies who are. They are breaking the law, this is a way of ensuring a level playing field I refuse to believe any of the salty remoaners in this thread have ever run as much as a whelk stall. Until Brexit 3 million turnover thanks However due to Brexit im going to sell and move on Thank you Brexit Britain "Sorry for your losses bud.  | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT. Ffs that's the whole point a lot of these small importers arent charging collecting and paying the vat, this undercuts uk based businesses and importing companies who are. They are breaking the law, this is a way of ensuring a level playing field I refuse to believe any of the salty remoaners in this thread have ever run as much as a whelk stall. Until Brexit 3 million turnover thanks However due to Brexit im going to sell and move on Thank you Brexit Britain
Oh give over you can’t make monster claims like that without providing some detail of what you think has happened SPECIFICALLY because of Brexit.
When the chief executive of Next (importers...) is telling everyone that COVID has a hundred times the impact of Brexit, your credibility is slipping with me."I think you will find my friend I can post what I desire I think my response was to simply to illustrate a remain voting business owner and counter balance the idiotic suggestion that remain voters do not run larger companies Thanks for your input though | |||
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"So it's now the uk's fault that the EU is going to set up a similar system. Let me try once more to explain why it's being done. Company A imports into the UK, their product is £100 plus 20 quid vat, customer happy, seller happy HMRC happy. Company B imports into the uk £100 , doesnt register for vat, customer happy company happy, hmrc very unhappy, less money for the nhs, uk competitor cant compete goes bust, jobs lost in the uk. Company C imports the 100 quid item but sells it for 115 claiming it to be cheaper than A's including vat, company pockets the alleged vat by issuing false vat receipt, company very happy customer happy as he thinks he has saved 5 quid, hmrc and uk competitors unhappy for the previous reasons. Yet still we have people blaming the uk for collecting tax and creating a level playing field for uk firms, still as long as its not the tory elite on the fiddle its all ok." Couple of problems bud, how does company B import with no vat if there not vat registered, if they dont have a vat number the exporter would charge vat. Dont understand company c but think your saying foreign company needs to issue a false invoice , how can they do this if everyone else is paying the 100 they would be leaving themselves open to fraud and other charges. | |||
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"So it's now the uk's fault that the EU is going to set up a similar system. Let me try once more to explain why it's being done. Company A imports into the UK, their product is £100 plus 20 quid vat, customer happy, seller happy HMRC happy. Company B imports into the uk £100 , doesnt register for vat, customer happy company happy, hmrc very unhappy, less money for the nhs, uk competitor cant compete goes bust, jobs lost in the uk. Company C imports the 100 quid item but sells it for 115 claiming it to be cheaper than A's including vat, company pockets the alleged vat by issuing false vat receipt, company very happy customer happy as he thinks he has saved 5 quid, hmrc and uk competitors unhappy for the previous reasons. Yet still we have people blaming the uk for collecting tax and creating a level playing field for uk firms, still as long as its not the tory elite on the fiddle its all ok." So U.K. companies with low morals could do the same in return then? | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT. Ffs that's the whole point a lot of these small importers arent charging collecting and paying the vat, this undercuts uk based businesses and importing companies who are. They are breaking the law, this is a way of ensuring a level playing field I refuse to believe any of the salty remoaners in this thread have ever run as much as a whelk stall. Until Brexit 3 million turnover thanks However due to Brexit im going to sell and move on Thank you Brexit Britain
Oh give over you can’t make monster claims like that without providing some detail of what you think has happened SPECIFICALLY because of Brexit.
When the chief executive of Next (importers...) is telling everyone that COVID has a hundred times the impact of Brexit, your credibility is slipping with me.
I think you will find my friend I can post what I desire
I think my response was to simply to illustrate a remain voting business owner and counter balance the idiotic suggestion that remain voters do not run larger companies
Thanks for your input though "I think you'll find the rules are: 1. Saying brexit is a good idea without providing any evidence is allowed. 2. Questioning brexit or the government in anyway what-so-ever. You must attach a link to your companies accounts records for the past five years. | |||
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"So it's now the uk's fault that the EU is going to set up a similar system. Let me try once more to explain why it's being done. Company A imports into the UK, their product is £100 plus 20 quid vat, customer happy, seller happy HMRC happy. Company B imports into the uk £100 , doesnt register for vat, customer happy company happy, hmrc very unhappy, less money for the nhs, uk competitor cant compete goes bust, jobs lost in the uk. Company C imports the 100 quid item but sells it for 115 claiming it to be cheaper than A's including vat, company pockets the alleged vat by issuing false vat receipt, company very happy customer happy as he thinks he has saved 5 quid, hmrc and uk competitors unhappy for the previous reasons. Yet still we have people blaming the uk for collecting tax and creating a level playing field for uk firms, still as long as its not the tory elite on the fiddle its all ok. Couple of problems bud, how does company B import with no vat if there not vat registered, if they dont have a vat number the exporter would charge vat. Dont understand company c but think your saying foreign company needs to issue a false invoice , how can they do this if everyone else is paying the 100 they would be leaving themselves open to fraud and other charges. "That's the point, they can claim to be charging vat or do charge it and not pass it on to HMRC, either way they pocket it, it is fraud but its not big multinationals doing it it's small scale ones often selling via ebay etc that have due to the single market been able to get away with it. | |||
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"So it's now the uk's fault that the EU is going to set up a similar system. Let me try once more to explain why it's being done. Company A imports into the UK, their product is £100 plus 20 quid vat, customer happy, seller happy HMRC happy. Company B imports into the uk £100 , doesnt register for vat, customer happy company happy, hmrc very unhappy, less money for the nhs, uk competitor cant compete goes bust, jobs lost in the uk. Company C imports the 100 quid item but sells it for 115 claiming it to be cheaper than A's including vat, company pockets the alleged vat by issuing false vat receipt, company very happy customer happy as he thinks he has saved 5 quid, hmrc and uk competitors unhappy for the previous reasons. Yet still we have people blaming the uk for collecting tax and creating a level playing field for uk firms, still as long as its not the tory elite on the fiddle its all ok. So U.K. companies with low morals could do the same in return then? " Vat fraud is big business, I know of a chap not far from me who was sent done a while ago for well over 300 grand over claiming, I've not had an inspection since the early nineties, I'm still surprised that people are against this idea. Once again it seems people only complain against tax evasion when it's not them doing it or benefitting from it. | |||
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"So it's now the uk's fault that the EU is going to set up a similar system. Let me try once more to explain why it's being done. Company A imports into the UK, their product is £100 plus 20 quid vat, customer happy, seller happy HMRC happy. Company B imports into the uk £100 , doesnt register for vat, customer happy company happy, hmrc very unhappy, less money for the nhs, uk competitor cant compete goes bust, jobs lost in the uk. Company C imports the 100 quid item but sells it for 115 claiming it to be cheaper than A's including vat, company pockets the alleged vat by issuing false vat receipt, company very happy customer happy as he thinks he has saved 5 quid, hmrc and uk competitors unhappy for the previous reasons. Yet still we have people blaming the uk for collecting tax and creating a level playing field for uk firms, still as long as its not the tory elite on the fiddle its all ok. Couple of problems bud, how does company B import with no vat if there not vat registered, if they dont have a vat number the exporter would charge vat. Dont understand company c but think your saying foreign company needs to issue a false invoice , how can they do this if everyone else is paying the 100 they would be leaving themselves open to fraud and other charges.
That's the point, they can claim to be charging vat or do charge it and not pass it on to HMRC, either way they pocket it, it is fraud but its not big multinationals doing it it's small scale ones often selling via ebay etc that have due to the single market been able to get away with it. "That makes little sense bud it will cost him £120 as hes not registered where company A will get his £20 back it would be high risk and the difference after selling would be small, I'm sure theres similar levels of fraud everywhere to slap on fees to have to deal with the uk seems daft to me. What happened to global britain where costs would be less minimal red tape ? Just today we've had this news and also the £4,31 charge from the couriers on packets coming to the uk you'll have to agree it's not what you envisioned. | |||
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"Ok one last go. Basically any import into this country( or the eu) that is chargeable for vat has to have vat applied to it, this is to stop home produced goods being at a disadvantage, the seller pays that vat to the tax authorities in the country the goods are sent to, the person/company sending the goods to this country dont reclaim the charged vat they pay it to HMRC. That is the law however some are charging vat but not passing it to HMRC or not charging so they have an advantage over others. It is really very simple( if you understand how vat works, )" did u give up on company B | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT. Ffs that's the whole point a lot of these small importers arent charging collecting and paying the vat, this undercuts uk based businesses and importing companies who are. They are breaking the law, this is a way of ensuring a level playing field I refuse to believe any of the salty remoaners in this thread have ever run as much as a whelk stall. Until Brexit 3 million turnover thanks However due to Brexit im going to sell and move on Thank you Brexit Britain
Oh give over you can’t make monster claims like that without providing some detail of what you think has happened SPECIFICALLY because of Brexit.
When the chief executive of Next (importers...) is telling everyone that COVID has a hundred times the impact of Brexit, your credibility is slipping with me.
I think you will find my friend I can post what I desire
I think my response was to simply to illustrate a remain voting business owner and counter balance the idiotic suggestion that remain voters do not run larger companies
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"Ok one last go. Basically any import into this country( or the eu) that is chargeable for vat has to have vat applied to it, this is to stop home produced goods being at a disadvantage, the seller pays that vat to the tax authorities in the country the goods are sent to, the person/company sending the goods to this country dont reclaim the charged vat they pay it to HMRC. That is the law however some are charging vat but not passing it to HMRC or not charging so they have an advantage over others. It is really very simple( if you understand how vat works, )" Bollocks I used to buy Mustang parts from a Dealer in Florida. I no longer have that car, but there is ZERO chance that the dealer would have paid a fee to HMRC for the right to send (for example) indicator senders, widescreen motors and more to random people in the U.K. Come back to this thread in two or three months after the u-turn. There is no chance that Little England is going to change the world with this dumb ass action. If every country in the world adopted the same principles, international support by small traders would finish overnight. | |||
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"... Oh ok. Well I made 6 million quid cos of Brexit. I offer the same level of proof. " Demonstrating succinctly the utter pointlessness of trying to have a serious discussion on an anonymous forum. PS - my real name is Julius Caesar | |||
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"Ok one last go. Basically any import into this country( or the eu) that is chargeable for vat has to have vat applied to it, this is to stop home produced goods being at a disadvantage, the seller pays that vat to the tax authorities in the country the goods are sent to, the person/company sending the goods to this country dont reclaim the charged vat they pay it to HMRC. That is the law however some are charging vat but not passing it to HMRC or not charging so they have an advantage over others. It is really very simple( if you understand how vat works, ) Bollocks I used to buy Mustang parts from a Dealer in Florida. I no longer have that car, but there is ZERO chance that the dealer would have paid a fee to HMRC for the right to send (for example) indicator senders, widescreen motors and more to random people in the U.K. Come back to this thread in two or three months after the u-turn. There is no chance that Little England is going to change the world with this dumb ass action. If every country in the world adopted the same principles, international support by small traders would finish overnight. " Well there’s no way you paid for shipping an individual indicator from America, you used a consolidated packaging service. Which even in the worst case scenario is all that the smallest businesses will do and form a selling group. You are another one whose credibility has slipped with me. | |||
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"Ok one last go. Basically any import into this country( or the eu) that is chargeable for vat has to have vat applied to it, this is to stop home produced goods being at a disadvantage, the seller pays that vat to the tax authorities in the country the goods are sent to, the person/company sending the goods to this country dont reclaim the charged vat they pay it to HMRC. That is the law however some are charging vat but not passing it to HMRC or not charging so they have an advantage over others. It is really very simple( if you understand how vat works, ) Bollocks I used to buy Mustang parts from a Dealer in Florida. I no longer have that car, but there is ZERO chance that the dealer would have paid a fee to HMRC for the right to send (for example) indicator senders, widescreen motors and more to random people in the U.K. Come back to this thread in two or three months after the u-turn. There is no chance that Little England is going to change the world with this dumb ass action. If every country in the world adopted the same principles, international support by small traders would finish overnight. Well there’s no way you paid for shipping an individual indicator from America, you used a consolidated packaging service. Which even in the worst case scenario is all that the smallest businesses will do and form a selling group. You are another one whose credibility has slipped with me." What are you even talking about? I can tell you that over a three year period, I bought around ten different items from that Dealer and they simply shipped with a customs declaration and I paid the appropriate tax when I collected from the post Office (here in the U.K.) or from my Mailbox latterly in Spain. I may have slipped in your credibility but as long term users of this forum know - I am very real and have zero motivation to chat shit. | |||
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"Ok one last go. Basically any import into this country( or the eu) that is chargeable for vat has to have vat applied to it, this is to stop home produced goods being at a disadvantage, the seller pays that vat to the tax authorities in the country the goods are sent to, the person/company sending the goods to this country dont reclaim the charged vat they pay it to HMRC. That is the law however some are charging vat but not passing it to HMRC or not charging so they have an advantage over others. It is really very simple( if you understand how vat works, ) Bollocks I used to buy Mustang parts from a Dealer in Florida. I no longer have that car, but there is ZERO chance that the dealer would have paid a fee to HMRC for the right to send (for example) indicator senders, widescreen motors and more to random people in the U.K. Come back to this thread in two or three months after the u-turn. There is no chance that Little England is going to change the world with this dumb ass action. If every country in the world adopted the same principles, international support by small traders would finish overnight. Well there’s no way you paid for shipping an individual indicator from America, you used a consolidated packaging service. Which even in the worst case scenario is all that the smallest businesses will do and form a selling group. You are another one whose credibility has slipped with me. What are you even talking about? I can tell you that over a three year period, I bought around ten different items from that Dealer and they simply shipped with a customs declaration and I paid the appropriate tax when I collected from the post Office (here in the U.K.) or from my Mailbox latterly in Spain. I may have slipped in your credibility but as long term users of this forum know - I am very real and have zero motivation to chat shit." Again, you’re making it sound as if this “ £4.31 “ figure is an extra cost when in reality a package of any size beyond an envelope coming from America costs at least 25-30 dollars to ship. Nobody was ever buying 5 dollar parts individually. Shipping gets consolidated. We’ve discussed this. | |||
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"So it's now the uk's fault that the EU is going to set up a similar system. Let me try once more to explain why it's being done. Company A imports into the UK, their product is £100 plus 20 quid vat, customer happy, seller happy HMRC happy. Company B imports into the uk £100 , doesnt register for vat, customer happy company happy, hmrc very unhappy, less money for the nhs, uk competitor cant compete goes bust, jobs lost in the uk. Company C imports the 100 quid item but sells it for 115 claiming it to be cheaper than A's including vat, company pockets the alleged vat by issuing false vat receipt, company very happy customer happy as he thinks he has saved 5 quid, hmrc and uk competitors unhappy for the previous reasons. Yet still we have people blaming the uk for collecting tax and creating a level playing field for uk firms, still as long as its not the tory elite on the fiddle its all ok. So U.K. companies with low morals could do the same in return then? Vat fraud is big business, I know of a chap not far from me who was sent done a while ago for well over 300 grand over claiming, I've not had an inspection since the early nineties, I'm still surprised that people are against this idea. Once again it seems people only complain against tax evasion when it's not them doing it or benefitting from it." I’m sure it is massive but you haven’t answered my question whether it worked both ways and we or our customers didn’t pay tax on low value exports? Which we will now be forced to do if the EU follows suit which will in turn make our exports more expensive to our customers. Your only likely to get a vat inspection if your figures dramatically change as they don’t have the staff to do inspections. So it will be a computer flagging through an algorithm. ( I’m guessing here) Many years ago when vat returns were double book entries we had an inspection due to increased sales abroad. The guy sat there for three days going over one return. He told me all was good and the return was a accurate apart from £375 over paid. The usual payment was a high six figure in those days. I asked if he’d told our accounts where it was? He said that’s not his job. I told him to just sod off then, as we didn’t need the money and asked him to leave. That night which was a Friday I was in the pub talking to a friend of my wife’s and told her about this jobsworth inspector just moaning as you do. She asked me his name which is was surprised at. After I told her she said oh that’s interesting as he works in one of my teams. I knew she worked for the civil service but it turns out she was a senior tax inspector. We received an apology from the low life and got the £375 so karma worked it’s magic. | |||
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"Well we now have only one truck stuck waiting for HMRC to issue a T1 document . He’s in a big queue but you won’t see the queue as our wonderfully deceitful government have gone into traffic management. We are all used to electronic PDF paperwork helping to speed up any process for years but amazingly for. T 1 into Europe, the driver now has to appear in person at an inland customs facility to be personally issued with a hard copy paper version. Theses facilities have suddenly appeared next to truck parks (not all) stops around the country. According to HMRC this system is being used for Dover / Folkestone and Holyhead. There is only one reason for this backwards step and it’s to stop the massive queues in Kent being shown on the news. One truck on his way after 4 hours the other still waiting. Guess who’s picking up the many hundreds of Euros Bill? A clue it’s not the EU!! Even without the delay we have to pay for the truck and driver to be diverted and delayed for at least two hours. Added cost on every job. The predicted lorry queue is forming but like Alton towers you can’t see the length of it as it’s depressing to customers so it’s been spread out across the country. I also suspect the paperwork system is slowing down inputs to protect the old fashioned chief IT system. We only planned 20 jobs this week to avoid the chaos . Looks like we are going to have some fun even with those few. The subcontractor still stuck has told us they won’t be coming back until the system is sorted electronically. They are not interested in the delays. Another fine win Boris! How long before the msm realise all of the chaos you describe is being cleverly hidden from the media crews hanging around the ports, who have been stationed there eagerly waiting for the “told you this would happen” coverage..." Well we just had confirmation that we are being mislead. A third driver didn’t follow instructions ( surprise there then) and went straight to Dover tonight ( he had his Kent pass) . He was stopped at the port gate and our clearance guys went into action to sort him. We had planned to turn him back to go to Ashford customs but the Dover customs said give us his mobile number and we will sort him locally at the port. This was I agree very good of them but also proves it can be done at the port so why isn’t it? Well they told us he may have to wait an hour or so for the checks and generation of the T1. So confirming every truck turning up in Dover needing a T1 would have an hours delay or more. The government are hiding the delays. Eight months ago a good friend at DFDS told me they had run the trials and number calculations. It was estimated if customs formalities could be held at 20 mins there would be an 8000 truck backlog by each weekend that would need clearing over the weekend. Before Brexit it took 2-3mins to do paperwork. So you won’t see the queues in Kent but the delays are real and the costs to business are real. A little add is they are checking the trucks for leaks and safety at Ashford customs. This would usually be done at the port and is nothing to do with customs normally. Lots of Marshall’s at the Ashford site I’ve been told. This is again delaying the trucks away from the port but it looks very slick when he arrives in Dover. Just more smoke and mirrors. We’ve already got offices in various countries to deal with imports. We are now having to look at fiscal representation additionally in France and the Netherlands to reduce the ridiculous costs of T1 loads. These are real costs to business. Brexit for us is a right royal costly pain in the arse. The customer will pay in the long run and that’s you! | |||
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"For a new system it sounds remarkably smooth. Three trucks with a couple of bits of extra paper to sort out? Meanwhile Macron the Great European blockades the ports on spurious grounds and 6,000 get stuck for four days. " Oh really we are down 900€ on two truck costs already. Very smooth indeed. Remind me to tell our accounts it’s very smooth how we are losing money. I’m sure they will relax totally. That’s our own government causing the delays and nothing to do with any foreign government or Covid. Every cent will be going to the EU though. | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT. Ffs that's the whole point a lot of these small importers arent charging collecting and paying the vat, this undercuts uk based businesses and importing companies who are. They are breaking the law, this is a way of ensuring a level playing field I refuse to believe any of the salty remoaners in this thread have ever run as much as a whelk stall. Until Brexit 3 million turnover thanks However due to Brexit im going to sell and move on Thank you Brexit Britain
Oh give over you can’t make monster claims like that without providing some detail of what you think has happened SPECIFICALLY because of Brexit.
When the chief executive of Next (importers...) is telling everyone that COVID has a hundred times the impact of Brexit, your credibility is slipping with me.
I think you will find my friend I can post what I desire
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Oh ok. Well I made 6 million quid cos of Brexit. I offer the same level of proof. "Perfect example of a Brexit voter Missing both the detail and the point then inventing numbers ! I clearly said I think my response was to simply to illustrate a remain voting business owner and counter balance the idiotic suggestion that remain voters do not run larger companies I did not mention that I have made or lost anything thank you | |||
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"I’m still waiting for someone to tell me how all these added costs to our business are a benefit and are helping us prosper? We have funds to be able to open offices to get around the regulations worst impacts but God help the poor buggers who can’t. They will be smarting from the added costs. " only two weeks ago you said you where laying British workers off now saying you have funds to open offices who’s going to work in them then ? | |||
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"I’m still waiting for someone to tell me how all these added costs to our business are a benefit and are helping us prosper? We have funds to be able to open offices to get around the regulations worst impacts but God help the poor buggers who can’t. They will be smarting from the added costs. only two weeks ago you said you where laying British workers off now saying you have funds to open offices who’s going to work in them then ?" Firstly, We have laid off U.K. production workers as their jobs are no longer required. Those jobs are being recruited in the EU as that’s where production will increase to replace the U.K. supply to EU clients. Secondly we are a sizeable business with multiple offices and sites around Europe The new offices will be registrations and if needed staffed by part timers in case we have too, as their purpose is to deal solely with customs and VAT. If we need to trade in those countries to be allowed to reclaim VAT then we will have to invest in further staff as we do in countries such as Norway due to VAT reclaim rules. French people in France and Belgian people in Belgium. It’s a bit too far to commute for our U.K. guys. It will be a very limited representation compared to established European offices but it will still cost. I post on here to give some idea of the impact this is having on U.K. business . This is all real and you can believe it or not I don’t care. It’s now discovered our drivers have to wait for texts to tell them which customs site to go to if the one on their route is busy. So stopping again to read the texts and maybe yet another divert even further away from the route . Some much for seamless free trade. Unless the government relents on customs Union or some compromise is made all I can see is U.K. business struggling to compete in Europe. | |||
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"Big article in the papers today with UK manufacturers celebrating that the price of loads of Chinese competitor imports on ebay and amazon has gone up 20% overnight with the new Vat enforcement. Good for British manufacturing, good for the new British Empire. " British Empire ? | |||
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"This Bloke Appears to have changed his tune pretty swiftly!!! Ladies and Gentlemen: Peter Wood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qy7IUmgyCo Watch till then end." Another unenlightened voter who believed the bullshit about red tape . We’ve never had so much paperwork! Bet that UKIP guy is nowhere to be seen! | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . " Usual absolute rubbish I've worked in manufacturing in the UK all my life we have amazing capabilities. You sit there with your fish supper and peroni while the rest of us crack on rebuilding Britain out of the dust of Brussels. | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . Usual absolute rubbish I've worked in manufacturing in the UK all my life we have amazing capabilities. You sit there with your fish supper and peroni while the rest of us crack on rebuilding Britain out of the dust of Brussels. " What do you manufacture? Kids paddling pools? 80s Shorts? | |||
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"We're in manufacturing, setting people on and working overtime from tomorrow, all good
What do you manufacture?
Are you hoping the working time directive goes out of the window so people can work longer?
Things that people want to buy. It ain't rocket science "Seriously what do you manufacture? are you lying by any chance? I'm happy to tell you I work in food safety and the site I operate at manufactures confectionery. | |||
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"We're in manufacturing, setting people on and working overtime from tomorrow, all good
What do you manufacture?
Are you hoping the working time directive goes out of the window so people can work longer?
Things that people want to buy. It ain't rocket science
Seriously what do you manufacture? are you lying by any chance? I'm happy to tell you I work in food safety and the site I operate at manufactures confectionery.
"I've told you. Are you calling me a liar? The success has come mostly through design and though the UK is by far our biggest customer, sales have grown exponentially in the EU and US thanks to that and the lower value of the pound | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . Usual absolute rubbish I've worked in manufacturing in the UK all my life we have amazing capabilities. You sit there with your fish supper and peroni while the rest of us crack on rebuilding Britain out of the dust of Brussels. " 2.7million people are employed in manufacturing in the U.K. So With a population of 70million you must be coining it in supplying everyone. We import three times as much as we export just to Europe. Our biggest exports are in computers and other tech and then oil comes in somewhere. Cars is pretty high up but I don’t have the list to had so feel free to arrange in order. No disrespect to you and personally I’m fucking delighted you do something positive for U.K. ltd. but we have long been on the downward slope due to cheap labour and costs hammering us. Our own short sighted governments and investors have added to that swift decline. M&S gave in over U.K. manufacturing principles as they couldn’t compete. They didn’t go down to the Primark £2 t-shirts but still had to import . One of their biggest sources to start with was Morocco. Btw those Primark t shirts probably cost 10p to make. | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . Usual absolute rubbish I've worked in manufacturing in the UK all my life we have amazing capabilities. You sit there with your fish supper and peroni while the rest of us crack on rebuilding Britain out of the dust of Brussels. 2.7million people are employed in manufacturing in the U.K. So With a population of 70million you must be coining it in supplying everyone. We import three times as much as we export just to Europe. Our biggest exports are in computers and other tech and then oil comes in somewhere. Cars is pretty high up but I don’t have the list to had so feel free to arrange in order. No disrespect to you and personally I’m fucking delighted you do something positive for U.K. ltd. but we have long been on the downward slope due to cheap labour and costs hammering us. Our own short sighted governments and investors have added to that swift decline. M&S gave in over U.K. manufacturing principles as they couldn’t compete. They didn’t go down to the Primark £2 t-shirts but still had to import . One of their biggest sources to start with was Morocco. Btw those Primark t shirts probably cost 10p to make. " The UK is still the 8th or 9th biggest manufacturer in the world | |||
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"From the Irish Times, another Brexit Bonus: "London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on Monday, the first trading day of 2021, as nearly €6 billion of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. Trading in equities such as Santander, Deutsche Bank and Total moved to EU marketplaces or back to primary exchanges such as the Madrid, Frankfurt and Paris bourses, according to data from Refinitiv - an abrupt change for investors in London who have grown accustomed to trading shares in Europe across borders without restrictions. Business on London hubs for euro-denominated share trading, including Cboe Europe, Turquoise and Aquis Exchange, shifted to their new EU venues set up late last year to cater for the end of the Brexit transition. The volume amounted to a sixth of all business on exchanges in Europe on Monday.!" Old news, and we knew it was happening anyway. | |||
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"We're in manufacturing, setting people on and working overtime from tomorrow, all good
What do you manufacture?
Are you hoping the working time directive goes out of the window so people can work longer?
Things that people want to buy. It ain't rocket science
Seriously what do you manufacture? are you lying by any chance? I'm happy to tell you I work in food safety and the site I operate at manufactures confectionery.
I've told you. Are you calling me a liar?
The success has come mostly through design and though the UK is by far our biggest customer, sales have grown exponentially in the EU and US thanks to that and the lower value of the pound"You haven't told me you gave a generalisation, I strongly suspect you are lying yes. | |||
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"From the Irish Times, another Brexit Bonus: "London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on Monday, the first trading day of 2021, as nearly €6 billion of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. Trading in equities such as Santander, Deutsche Bank and Total moved to EU marketplaces or back to primary exchanges such as the Madrid, Frankfurt and Paris bourses, according to data from Refinitiv - an abrupt change for investors in London who have grown accustomed to trading shares in Europe across borders without restrictions. Business on London hubs for euro-denominated share trading, including Cboe Europe, Turquoise and Aquis Exchange, shifted to their new EU venues set up late last year to cater for the end of the Brexit transition. The volume amounted to a sixth of all business on exchanges in Europe on Monday.! Old news, and we knew it was happening anyway. " That makes it ok then? Thing is you probably called it project fear before! | |||
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"We're in manufacturing, setting people on and working overtime from tomorrow, all good
What do you manufacture?
Are you hoping the working time directive goes out of the window so people can work longer?
Things that people want to buy. It ain't rocket science
Seriously what do you manufacture? are you lying by any chance? I'm happy to tell you I work in food safety and the site I operate at manufactures confectionery.
I've told you. Are you calling me a liar?
The success has come mostly through design and though the UK is by far our biggest customer, sales have grown exponentially in the EU and US thanks to that and the lower value of the pound
You haven't told me you gave a generalisation, I strongly suspect you are lying yes."you accuse lots of lying mate lol | |||
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"From the Irish Times, another Brexit Bonus: "London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on Monday, the first trading day of 2021, as nearly €6 billion of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. " Any idea what 6bil is as a % of business? | |||
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"We're in manufacturing, setting people on and working overtime from tomorrow, all good
What do you manufacture?
Are you hoping the working time directive goes out of the window so people can work longer?
Things that people want to buy. It ain't rocket science
Seriously what do you manufacture? are you lying by any chance? I'm happy to tell you I work in food safety and the site I operate at manufactures confectionery.
I've told you. Are you calling me a liar?
The success has come mostly through design and though the UK is by far our biggest customer, sales have grown exponentially in the EU and US thanks to that and the lower value of the pound
You haven't told me you gave a generalisation, I strongly suspect you are lying yes.you accuse lots of lying mate lol"And I'm always happy to be proved wrong. | |||
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"From the Irish Times, another Brexit Bonus: "London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on Monday, the first trading day of 2021, as nearly €6 billion of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. Trading in equities such as Santander, Deutsche Bank and Total moved to EU marketplaces or back to primary exchanges such as the Madrid, Frankfurt and Paris bourses, according to data from Refinitiv - an abrupt change for investors in London who have grown accustomed to trading shares in Europe across borders without restrictions. Business on London hubs for euro-denominated share trading, including Cboe Europe, Turquoise and Aquis Exchange, shifted to their new EU venues set up late last year to cater for the end of the Brexit transition. The volume amounted to a sixth of all business on exchanges in Europe on Monday.! Old news, and we knew it was happening anyway. That makes it ok then? Thing is you probably called it project fear before!" Nope, i've never called anything Project Fear. Euro shares had to leave here, EU trading rules dictated it. What we need to do now, is for the City to get more business in to replace that loss. | |||
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"From the Irish Times, another Brexit Bonus: "London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on Monday, the first trading day of 2021, as nearly €6 billion of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. Any idea what 6bil is as a % of business?" You tried this with 20BN the other day, the fact is it's money we've lost. | |||
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"From the Irish Times, another Brexit Bonus: "London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on Monday, the first trading day of 2021, as nearly €6 billion of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. Trading in equities such as Santander, Deutsche Bank and Total moved to EU marketplaces or back to primary exchanges such as the Madrid, Frankfurt and Paris bourses, according to data from Refinitiv - an abrupt change for investors in London who have grown accustomed to trading shares in Europe across borders without restrictions. Business on London hubs for euro-denominated share trading, including Cboe Europe, Turquoise and Aquis Exchange, shifted to their new EU venues set up late last year to cater for the end of the Brexit transition. The volume amounted to a sixth of all business on exchanges in Europe on Monday.! Old news, and we knew it was happening anyway. That makes it ok then? Thing is you probably called it project fear before! Nope, i've never called anything Project Fear. Euro shares had to leave here, EU trading rules dictated it. What we need to do now, is for the City to get more business in to replace that loss. " I'm guessing you're a trader? | |||
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"From the Irish Times, another Brexit Bonus: "London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on Monday, the first trading day of 2021, as nearly €6 billion of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. Any idea what 6bil is as a % of business? You tried this with 20BN the other day, the fact is it's money we've lost." Is that a no then? | |||
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"From the Irish Times, another Brexit Bonus: "London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on Monday, the first trading day of 2021, as nearly €6 billion of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. Any idea what 6bil is as a % of business? You tried this with 20BN the other day, the fact is it's money we've lost. Is that a no then? " Has Brexit cost us this and the 20bn we were on about the other day? | |||
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"We're in manufacturing, setting people on and working overtime from tomorrow, all good
What do you manufacture?
Are you hoping the working time directive goes out of the window so people can work longer?
Things that people want to buy. It ain't rocket science
Seriously what do you manufacture? are you lying by any chance? I'm happy to tell you I work in food safety and the site I operate at manufactures confectionery.
I've told you. Are you calling me a liar?
The success has come mostly through design and though the UK is by far our biggest customer, sales have grown exponentially in the EU and US thanks to that and the lower value of the pound
You haven't told me you gave a generalisation, I strongly suspect you are lying yes.you accuse lots of lying mate lol
And I'm always happy to be proved wrong.
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"From the Irish Times, another Brexit Bonus: "London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on Monday, the first trading day of 2021, as nearly €6 billion of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. Any idea what 6bil is as a % of business? You tried this with 20BN the other day, the fact is it's money we've lost. Is that a no then? Has Brexit cost us this and the 20bn we were on about the other day?" I keep repeating and you keep failing to hear, it will hurt in the beginning. What your also not doing is making a balanced argument, so it is pretty much worthless, hot air at best. All you are achieving is to wind up remainers which will make your pain last longer and maybe hurt deeper. | |||
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"From the Irish Times, another Brexit Bonus: "London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on Monday, the first trading day of 2021, as nearly €6 billion of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. Trading in equities such as Santander, Deutsche Bank and Total moved to EU marketplaces or back to primary exchanges such as the Madrid, Frankfurt and Paris bourses, according to data from Refinitiv - an abrupt change for investors in London who have grown accustomed to trading shares in Europe across borders without restrictions. Business on London hubs for euro-denominated share trading, including Cboe Europe, Turquoise and Aquis Exchange, shifted to their new EU venues set up late last year to cater for the end of the Brexit transition. The volume amounted to a sixth of all business on exchanges in Europe on Monday.! Old news, and we knew it was happening anyway. That makes it ok then? Thing is you probably called it project fear before! Nope, i've never called anything Project Fear. Euro shares had to leave here, EU trading rules dictated it. What we need to do now, is for the City to get more business in to replace that loss. I'm guessing you're a trader?" Only as a Private Investor. Its always handy being on top of financial matters. | |||
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"From the Irish Times, another Brexit Bonus: "London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on Monday, the first trading day of 2021, as nearly €6 billion of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. Any idea what 6bil is as a % of business? You tried this with 20BN the other day, the fact is it's money we've lost. Is that a no then? Has Brexit cost us this and the 20bn we were on about the other day? I keep repeating and you keep failing to hear, it will hurt in the beginning. What your also not doing is making a balanced argument, so it is pretty much worthless, hot air at best. All you are achieving is to wind up remainers which will make your pain last longer and maybe hurt deeper." Oh so you have an economic forecast that says Brexit is going to be beneficial then? Please post!! | |||
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"From the Irish Times, another Brexit Bonus: "London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on Monday, the first trading day of 2021, as nearly €6 billion of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. Any idea what 6bil is as a % of business? You tried this with 20BN the other day, the fact is it's money we've lost. Is that a no then? Has Brexit cost us this and the 20bn we were on about the other day? I keep repeating and you keep failing to hear, it will hurt in the beginning. What your also not doing is making a balanced argument, so it is pretty much worthless, hot air at best. All you are achieving is to wind up remainers which will make your pain last longer and maybe hurt deeper." Balance okay, tell me about all the benefits we've seen so far? | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . Usual absolute rubbish I've worked in manufacturing in the UK all my life we have amazing capabilities. You sit there with your fish supper and peroni while the rest of us crack on rebuilding Britain out of the dust of Brussels. 2.7million people are employed in manufacturing in the U.K. So With a population of 70million you must be coining it in supplying everyone. We import three times as much as we export just to Europe. Our biggest exports are in computers and other tech and then oil comes in somewhere. Cars is pretty high up but I don’t have the list to had so feel free to arrange in order. No disrespect to you and personally I’m fucking delighted you do something positive for U.K. ltd. but we have long been on the downward slope due to cheap labour and costs hammering us. Our own short sighted governments and investors have added to that swift decline. M&S gave in over U.K. manufacturing principles as they couldn’t compete. They didn’t go down to the Primark £2 t-shirts but still had to import . One of their biggest sources to start with was Morocco. Btw those Primark t shirts probably cost 10p to make. The UK is still the 8th or 9th biggest manufacturer in the world " Indeed but it’s a big drop from the top group to us with Germany on its own three times bigger than us. China 17 times bigger. India close to double our size. Italy bigger France bigger Mexico and Brazil soon to pass us We are a large economy but only account for 1.5% of global manufacturing and dropping quickly. So not exactly romping it. We did lead and that’s the disgrace that with a massive head start we’ve let everyone catch up. Sloth in government all the way. Maybe it is time for revolution in how we are governed. Because to me it looks like they don’t have a clue and are far to slow to react to the modern world. Too many of them for a start . | |||
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"From the Irish Times, another Brexit Bonus: "London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on Monday, the first trading day of 2021, as nearly €6 billion of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. Any idea what 6bil is as a % of business? You tried this with 20BN the other day, the fact is it's money we've lost. Is that a no then? Has Brexit cost us this and the 20bn we were on about the other day? I keep repeating and you keep failing to hear, it will hurt in the beginning. What your also not doing is making a balanced argument, so it is pretty much worthless, hot air at best. All you are achieving is to wind up remainers which will make your pain last longer and maybe hurt deeper. Balance okay, tell me about all the benefits we've seen so far?" Democracy upheld, will of the people respected and out from under the EU control. | |||
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"From the Irish Times, another Brexit Bonus: "London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on Monday, the first trading day of 2021, as nearly €6 billion of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. Any idea what 6bil is as a % of business? You tried this with 20BN the other day, the fact is it's money we've lost. Is that a no then? Has Brexit cost us this and the 20bn we were on about the other day? I keep repeating and you keep failing to hear, it will hurt in the beginning. What your also not doing is making a balanced argument, so it is pretty much worthless, hot air at best. All you are achieving is to wind up remainers which will make your pain last longer and maybe hurt deeper. Balance okay, tell me about all the benefits we've seen so far? Democracy upheld, will of the people respected and out from under the EU control." Explain how we were not a democracy a few weeks ago? | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . Usual absolute rubbish I've worked in manufacturing in the UK all my life we have amazing capabilities. You sit there with your fish supper and peroni while the rest of us crack on rebuilding Britain out of the dust of Brussels. 2.7million people are employed in manufacturing in the U.K. So With a population of 70million you must be coining it in supplying everyone. We import three times as much as we export just to Europe. Our biggest exports are in computers and other tech and then oil comes in somewhere. Cars is pretty high up but I don’t have the list to had so feel free to arrange in order. No disrespect to you and personally I’m fucking delighted you do something positive for U.K. ltd. but we have long been on the downward slope due to cheap labour and costs hammering us. Our own short sighted governments and investors have added to that swift decline. M&S gave in over U.K. manufacturing principles as they couldn’t compete. They didn’t go down to the Primark £2 t-shirts but still had to import . One of their biggest sources to start with was Morocco. Btw those Primark t shirts probably cost 10p to make. The UK is still the 8th or 9th biggest manufacturer in the world Indeed but it’s a big drop from the top group to us with Germany on its own three times bigger than us. China 17 times bigger. India close to double our size. Italy bigger France bigger Mexico and Brazil soon to pass us We are a large economy but only account for 1.5% of global manufacturing and dropping quickly. So not exactly romping it. We did lead and that’s the disgrace that with a massive head start we’ve let everyone catch up. Sloth in government all the way. Maybe it is time for revolution in how we are governed. Because to me it looks like they don’t have a clue and are far to slow to react to the modern world. Too many of them for a start . " Sounds to me like a good reason for leaving the EU and why we should never have joined in the first place | |||
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"We're in manufacturing, setting people on and working overtime from tomorrow, all good
What do you manufacture?
Are you hoping the working time directive goes out of the window so people can work longer?
Things that people want to buy. It ain't rocket science
Seriously what do you manufacture? are you lying by any chance? I'm happy to tell you I work in food safety and the site I operate at manufactures confectionery.
I've told you. Are you calling me a liar?
The success has come mostly through design and though the UK is by far our biggest customer, sales have grown exponentially in the EU and US thanks to that and the lower value of the pound
You haven't told me you gave a generalisation, I strongly suspect you are lying yes."I don't give a fuck what you suspect. How old are you, 12? | |||
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"From the Irish Times, another Brexit Bonus: "London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on Monday, the first trading day of 2021, as nearly €6 billion of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. Any idea what 6bil is as a % of business? You tried this with 20BN the other day, the fact is it's money we've lost. Is that a no then? Has Brexit cost us this and the 20bn we were on about the other day? I keep repeating and you keep failing to hear, it will hurt in the beginning. What your also not doing is making a balanced argument, so it is pretty much worthless, hot air at best. All you are achieving is to wind up remainers which will make your pain last longer and maybe hurt deeper. Balance okay, tell me about all the benefits we've seen so far? Democracy upheld, will of the people respected and out from under the EU control. Explain how we were not a democracy a few weeks ago?" No thanks, too many snowflakes on here | |||
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"From the Irish Times, another Brexit Bonus: "London’s financial sector started to feel the full effects of Brexit on Monday, the first trading day of 2021, as nearly €6 billion of EU share dealing shifted away from the City to facilities in European capitals. Any idea what 6bil is as a % of business? You tried this with 20BN the other day, the fact is it's money we've lost. Is that a no then? Has Brexit cost us this and the 20bn we were on about the other day? I keep repeating and you keep failing to hear, it will hurt in the beginning. What your also not doing is making a balanced argument, so it is pretty much worthless, hot air at best. All you are achieving is to wind up remainers which will make your pain last longer and maybe hurt deeper. Balance okay, tell me about all the benefits we've seen so far? Democracy upheld, will of the people respected and out from under the EU control. Explain how we were not a democracy a few weeks ago? No thanks, too many snowflakes on here" Of course. | |||
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"We're in manufacturing, setting people on and working overtime from tomorrow, all good
What do you manufacture?
Are you hoping the working time directive goes out of the window so people can work longer?
Things that people want to buy. It ain't rocket science
Seriously what do you manufacture? are you lying by any chance? I'm happy to tell you I work in food safety and the site I operate at manufactures confectionery.
I've told you. Are you calling me a liar?
The success has come mostly through design and though the UK is by far our biggest customer, sales have grown exponentially in the EU and US thanks to that and the lower value of the pound
You haven't told me you gave a generalisation, I strongly suspect you are lying yes.
I don't give a fuck what you suspect. How old are you, 12?"If you tell us we can help you by going through the governments transition website and seeing what opportunities arise! Why do you have a problem telling us what you manufacture? | |||
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"We're in manufacturing, setting people on and working overtime from tomorrow, all good
What do you manufacture?
Are you hoping the working time directive goes out of the window so people can work longer?
Things that people want to buy. It ain't rocket science
Seriously what do you manufacture? are you lying by any chance? I'm happy to tell you I work in food safety and the site I operate at manufactures confectionery.
I've told you. Are you calling me a liar?
The success has come mostly through design and though the UK is by far our biggest customer, sales have grown exponentially in the EU and US thanks to that and the lower value of the pound
You haven't told me you gave a generalisation, I strongly suspect you are lying yes.
I don't give a fuck what you suspect. How old are you, 12?
If you tell us we can help you by going through the governments transition website and seeing what opportunities arise!
Why do you have a problem telling us what you manufacture?"Help? What do you think this place is?
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . Usual absolute rubbish I've worked in manufacturing in the UK all my life we have amazing capabilities. You sit there with your fish supper and peroni while the rest of us crack on rebuilding Britain out of the dust of Brussels. 2.7million people are employed in manufacturing in the U.K. So With a population of 70million you must be coining it in supplying everyone. We import three times as much as we export just to Europe. Our biggest exports are in computers and other tech and then oil comes in somewhere. Cars is pretty high up but I don’t have the list to had so feel free to arrange in order. No disrespect to you and personally I’m fucking delighted you do something positive for U.K. ltd. but we have long been on the downward slope due to cheap labour and costs hammering us. Our own short sighted governments and investors have added to that swift decline. M&S gave in over U.K. manufacturing principles as they couldn’t compete. They didn’t go down to the Primark £2 t-shirts but still had to import . One of their biggest sources to start with was Morocco. Btw those Primark t shirts probably cost 10p to make. The UK is still the 8th or 9th biggest manufacturer in the world Indeed but it’s a big drop from the top group to us with Germany on its own three times bigger than us. China 17 times bigger. India close to double our size. Italy bigger France bigger Mexico and Brazil soon to pass us We are a large economy but only account for 1.5% of global manufacturing and dropping quickly. So not exactly romping it. We did lead and that’s the disgrace that with a massive head start we’ve let everyone catch up. Sloth in government all the way. Maybe it is time for revolution in how we are governed. Because to me it looks like they don’t have a clue and are far to slow to react to the modern world. Too many of them for a start . Sounds to me like a good reason for leaving the EU and why we should never have joined in the first place "It sounds to me like you believe the bullshit of blaming the EU for all our ills when it’s our own governments repeated failure to deal with our own problems. Both lab and con. Our own government weren’t in a straight jacket in Europe they have failed miserably to keep this country developing in anything other than financial services. London was the only thing that mattered. Now when we need more than ever to grow the rest of the country we don’t have the cash anymore. We’re too busy paying debt! Those few of you left in making stuff will be rare indeed if the history of shit U.K. governments continues. This lot aren’t fooling anyone even their own supporters. | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . Usual absolute rubbish I've worked in manufacturing in the UK all my life we have amazing capabilities. You sit there with your fish supper and peroni while the rest of us crack on rebuilding Britain out of the dust of Brussels. 2.7million people are employed in manufacturing in the U.K. So With a population of 70million you must be coining it in supplying everyone. We import three times as much as we export just to Europe. Our biggest exports are in computers and other tech and then oil comes in somewhere. Cars is pretty high up but I don’t have the list to had so feel free to arrange in order. No disrespect to you and personally I’m fucking delighted you do something positive for U.K. ltd. but we have long been on the downward slope due to cheap labour and costs hammering us. Our own short sighted governments and investors have added to that swift decline. M&S gave in over U.K. manufacturing principles as they couldn’t compete. They didn’t go down to the Primark £2 t-shirts but still had to import . One of their biggest sources to start with was Morocco. Btw those Primark t shirts probably cost 10p to make. The UK is still the 8th or 9th biggest manufacturer in the world Indeed but it’s a big drop from the top group to us with Germany on its own three times bigger than us. China 17 times bigger. India close to double our size. Italy bigger France bigger Mexico and Brazil soon to pass us We are a large economy but only account for 1.5% of global manufacturing and dropping quickly. So not exactly romping it. We did lead and that’s the disgrace that with a massive head start we’ve let everyone catch up. Sloth in government all the way. Maybe it is time for revolution in how we are governed. Because to me it looks like they don’t have a clue and are far to slow to react to the modern world. Too many of them for a start . Sounds to me like a good reason for leaving the EU and why we should never have joined in the first place
It sounds to me like you believe the bullshit of blaming the EU for all our ills when it’s our own governments repeated failure to deal with our own problems. Both lab and con.
Our own government weren’t in a straight jacket in Europe they have failed miserably to keep this country developing in anything other than financial services. London was the only thing that mattered. Now when we need more than ever to grow the rest of the country we don’t have the cash anymore. We’re too busy paying debt!
Those few of you left in making stuff will be rare indeed if the history of shit U.K. governments continues.
This lot aren’t fooling anyone even their own supporters. "So what do you transport? Fresh air? | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . Usual absolute rubbish I've worked in manufacturing in the UK all my life we have amazing capabilities. You sit there with your fish supper and peroni while the rest of us crack on rebuilding Britain out of the dust of Brussels. 2.7million people are employed in manufacturing in the U.K. So With a population of 70million you must be coining it in supplying everyone. We import three times as much as we export just to Europe. Our biggest exports are in computers and other tech and then oil comes in somewhere. Cars is pretty high up but I don’t have the list to had so feel free to arrange in order. No disrespect to you and personally I’m fucking delighted you do something positive for U.K. ltd. but we have long been on the downward slope due to cheap labour and costs hammering us. Our own short sighted governments and investors have added to that swift decline. M&S gave in over U.K. manufacturing principles as they couldn’t compete. They didn’t go down to the Primark £2 t-shirts but still had to import . One of their biggest sources to start with was Morocco. Btw those Primark t shirts probably cost 10p to make. The UK is still the 8th or 9th biggest manufacturer in the world Indeed but it’s a big drop from the top group to us with Germany on its own three times bigger than us. China 17 times bigger. India close to double our size. Italy bigger France bigger Mexico and Brazil soon to pass us We are a large economy but only account for 1.5% of global manufacturing and dropping quickly. So not exactly romping it. We did lead and that’s the disgrace that with a massive head start we’ve let everyone catch up. Sloth in government all the way. Maybe it is time for revolution in how we are governed. Because to me it looks like they don’t have a clue and are far to slow to react to the modern world. Too many of them for a start . Sounds to me like a good reason for leaving the EU and why we should never have joined in the first place
It sounds to me like you believe the bullshit of blaming the EU for all our ills when it’s our own governments repeated failure to deal with our own problems. Both lab and con.
Our own government weren’t in a straight jacket in Europe they have failed miserably to keep this country developing in anything other than financial services. London was the only thing that mattered. Now when we need more than ever to grow the rest of the country we don’t have the cash anymore. We’re too busy paying debt!
Those few of you left in making stuff will be rare indeed if the history of shit U.K. governments continues.
This lot aren’t fooling anyone even their own supporters.
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" It sounds to me like you believe the bullshit of blaming the EU for all our ills when it’s our own governments repeated failure to deal with our own problems. Both lab and con. Our own government weren’t in a straight jacket in Europe they have failed miserably to keep this country developing in anything other than financial services. London was the only thing that mattered. Now when we need more than ever to grow the rest of the country we don’t have the cash anymore. We’re too busy paying debt! Those few of you left in making stuff will be rare indeed if the history of shit U.K. governments continues. This lot aren’t fooling anyone even their own supporters. " Have to agree with these comments begs the question though, if our governments can't sort out the UK how can they possibly hope to effect change in the EU from inside the EU? As some people have stated as a reason for staying in the EU. | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . " I've been watching your posts quite closely and I'm calling bullshit on your claims, if you knew anything about VAT you would know that your post is complete rubbish. | |||
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"We're in manufacturing, setting people on and working overtime from tomorrow, all good
What do you manufacture?
Are you hoping the working time directive goes out of the window so people can work longer?
Things that people want to buy. It ain't rocket science
Seriously what do you manufacture? are you lying by any chance? I'm happy to tell you I work in food safety and the site I operate at manufactures confectionery.
I've told you. Are you calling me a liar?
The success has come mostly through design and though the UK is by far our biggest customer, sales have grown exponentially in the EU and US thanks to that and the lower value of the pound
You haven't told me you gave a generalisation, I strongly suspect you are lying yes.you accuse lots of lying mate lol
And I'm always happy to be proved wrong.
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . I've been watching your posts quite closely and I'm calling bullshit on your claims, if you knew anything about VAT you would know that your post is complete rubbish." Come on then genius whys that? | |||
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"We're in manufacturing, setting people on and working overtime from tomorrow, all good
What do you manufacture?
Are you hoping the working time directive goes out of the window so people can work longer?
Things that people want to buy. It ain't rocket science
Seriously what do you manufacture? are you lying by any chance? I'm happy to tell you I work in food safety and the site I operate at manufactures confectionery.
I've told you. Are you calling me a liar?
The success has come mostly through design and though the UK is by far our biggest customer, sales have grown exponentially in the EU and US thanks to that and the lower value of the pound
You haven't told me you gave a generalisation, I strongly suspect you are lying yes.you accuse lots of lying mate lol
And I'm always happy to be proved wrong.
Nah, you get very shirty every time you’re proved wrong, green arrow "From a person living in a glass house | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . Usual absolute rubbish I've worked in manufacturing in the UK all my life we have amazing capabilities. You sit there with your fish supper and peroni while the rest of us crack on rebuilding Britain out of the dust of Brussels. 2.7million people are employed in manufacturing in the U.K. So With a population of 70million you must be coining it in supplying everyone. We import three times as much as we export just to Europe. Our biggest exports are in computers and other tech and then oil comes in somewhere. Cars is pretty high up but I don’t have the list to had so feel free to arrange in order. No disrespect to you and personally I’m fucking delighted you do something positive for U.K. ltd. but we have long been on the downward slope due to cheap labour and costs hammering us. Our own short sighted governments and investors have added to that swift decline. M&S gave in over U.K. manufacturing principles as they couldn’t compete. They didn’t go down to the Primark £2 t-shirts but still had to import . One of their biggest sources to start with was Morocco. Btw those Primark t shirts probably cost 10p to make. The UK is still the 8th or 9th biggest manufacturer in the world Indeed but it’s a big drop from the top group to us with Germany on its own three times bigger than us. China 17 times bigger. India close to double our size. Italy bigger France bigger Mexico and Brazil soon to pass us We are a large economy but only account for 1.5% of global manufacturing and dropping quickly. So not exactly romping it. We did lead and that’s the disgrace that with a massive head start we’ve let everyone catch up. Sloth in government all the way. Maybe it is time for revolution in how we are governed. Because to me it looks like they don’t have a clue and are far to slow to react to the modern world. Too many of them for a start . Sounds to me like a good reason for leaving the EU and why we should never have joined in the first place
It sounds to me like you believe the bullshit of blaming the EU for all our ills when it’s our own governments repeated failure to deal with our own problems. Both lab and con.
Our own government weren’t in a straight jacket in Europe they have failed miserably to keep this country developing in anything other than financial services. London was the only thing that mattered. Now when we need more than ever to grow the rest of the country we don’t have the cash anymore. We’re too busy paying debt!
Those few of you left in making stuff will be rare indeed if the history of shit U.K. governments continues.
This lot aren’t fooling anyone even their own supporters.
So what do you transport? Fresh air? "Very similar to your hot air no doubt ! | |||
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"We have some world class manufacturing here. Ours is more quality rather than quantity, as we can never compete on price with lower wage economies. I was heartened by the recent Centre Of Economics and Business Research (CEBR) report that we will overtake France economically in the next ten years. " Why ‘heartened’? Wouldn’t it be great if both economies were motoring? | |||
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"Leading Tory Daniel Hannan has said and is urging the PM that safeguards for the use of data, pay and conditions, GM foods, hedge funds, dangerous chemicals and the disposal of environmentally-damaging vehicles should all be binned now Brexit has gone through. These Brexit bonuses just get better every day....
Let’s see how soon the unicorn believes manage to spin this one...."In fairness to Hannan. These were some of the main purposes for brexit. So he's only asking them to get the finger out and get on with it. | |||
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"We have some world class manufacturing here. Ours is more quality rather than quantity, as we can never compete on price with lower wage economies. I was heartened by the recent Centre Of Economics and Business Research (CEBR) report that we will overtake France economically in the next ten years. " Have to agree with you we do have world class manufacturing just not enough. Let’s hope your right re France | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . Usual absolute rubbish I've worked in manufacturing in the UK all my life we have amazing capabilities. You sit there with your fish supper and peroni while the rest of us crack on rebuilding Britain out of the dust of Brussels. 2.7million people are employed in manufacturing in the U.K. So With a population of 70million you must be coining it in supplying everyone. We import three times as much as we export just to Europe. Our biggest exports are in computers and other tech and then oil comes in somewhere. Cars is pretty high up but I don’t have the list to had so feel free to arrange in order. No disrespect to you and personally I’m fucking delighted you do something positive for U.K. ltd. but we have long been on the downward slope due to cheap labour and costs hammering us. Our own short sighted governments and investors have added to that swift decline. M&S gave in over U.K. manufacturing principles as they couldn’t compete. They didn’t go down to the Primark £2 t-shirts but still had to import . One of their biggest sources to start with was Morocco. Btw those Primark t shirts probably cost 10p to make. The UK is still the 8th or 9th biggest manufacturer in the world Indeed but it’s a big drop from the top group to us with Germany on its own three times bigger than us. China 17 times bigger. India close to double our size. Italy bigger France bigger Mexico and Brazil soon to pass us We are a large economy but only account for 1.5% of global manufacturing and dropping quickly. So not exactly romping it. We did lead and that’s the disgrace that with a massive head start we’ve let everyone catch up. Sloth in government all the way. Maybe it is time for revolution in how we are governed. Because to me it looks like they don’t have a clue and are far to slow to react to the modern world. Too many of them for a start . Sounds to me like a good reason for leaving the EU and why we should never have joined in the first place
It sounds to me like you believe the bullshit of blaming the EU for all our ills when it’s our own governments repeated failure to deal with our own problems. Both lab and con.
Our own government weren’t in a straight jacket in Europe they have failed miserably to keep this country developing in anything other than financial services. London was the only thing that mattered. Now when we need more than ever to grow the rest of the country we don’t have the cash anymore. We’re too busy paying debt!
Those few of you left in making stuff will be rare indeed if the history of shit U.K. governments continues.
This lot aren’t fooling anyone even their own supporters.
So what do you transport? Fresh air?
Very similar to your hot air no doubt ! "From a person living in a glass house
Maybe it's time for a revolution?
Well we've just had one and now the governments might be shaken out of their malaise now that they have no one else to blame. The only way is up | |||
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"Leading Tory Daniel Hannan has said and is urging the PM that safeguards for the use of data, pay and conditions, GM foods, hedge funds, dangerous chemicals and the disposal of environmentally-damaging vehicles should all be binned now Brexit has gone through. These Brexit bonuses just get better every day....
Let’s see how soon the unicorn believes manage to spin this one...."Tory??? | |||
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" It sounds to me like you believe the bullshit of blaming the EU for all our ills when it’s our own governments repeated failure to deal with our own problems. Both lab and con. Our own government weren’t in a straight jacket in Europe they have failed miserably to keep this country developing in anything other than financial services. London was the only thing that mattered. Now when we need more than ever to grow the rest of the country we don’t have the cash anymore. We’re too busy paying debt! Those few of you left in making stuff will be rare indeed if the history of shit U.K. governments continues. This lot aren’t fooling anyone even their own supporters. Have to agree with these comments begs the question though, if our governments can't sort out the UK how can they possibly hope to effect change in the EU from inside the EU? As some people have stated as a reason for staying in the EU." I think form my perspective the spread of parties in the eu gave a more balanced view and approach for a broader range of people in Europe and the U.K. We have two parties in the U.K. who have repeatedly promised the world and better livers for all and failed to delivery every time. Look across stone Atlantic to see this repeated for most. The vested interest of the two leading parties in this country was unable to look after number one so easily and had to take account of us all because the biased manifesto was less important . If you’re in business you were protected from Being undercut due to corner cutting on employment rights etc . For the individual rights against those companies was increased against their will for consumers . I think the EU was good for us all especially business but mostly us all as individuals. Too late now. | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . Usual absolute rubbish I've worked in manufacturing in the UK all my life we have amazing capabilities. You sit there with your fish supper and peroni while the rest of us crack on rebuilding Britain out of the dust of Brussels. 2.7million people are employed in manufacturing in the U.K. So With a population of 70million you must be coining it in supplying everyone. We import three times as much as we export just to Europe. Our biggest exports are in computers and other tech and then oil comes in somewhere. Cars is pretty high up but I don’t have the list to had so feel free to arrange in order. No disrespect to you and personally I’m fucking delighted you do something positive for U.K. ltd. but we have long been on the downward slope due to cheap labour and costs hammering us. Our own short sighted governments and investors have added to that swift decline. M&S gave in over U.K. manufacturing principles as they couldn’t compete. They didn’t go down to the Primark £2 t-shirts but still had to import . One of their biggest sources to start with was Morocco. Btw those Primark t shirts probably cost 10p to make. The UK is still the 8th or 9th biggest manufacturer in the world Indeed but it’s a big drop from the top group to us with Germany on its own three times bigger than us. China 17 times bigger. India close to double our size. Italy bigger France bigger Mexico and Brazil soon to pass us We are a large economy but only account for 1.5% of global manufacturing and dropping quickly. So not exactly romping it. We did lead and that’s the disgrace that with a massive head start we’ve let everyone catch up. Sloth in government all the way. Maybe it is time for revolution in how we are governed. Because to me it looks like they don’t have a clue and are far to slow to react to the modern world. Too many of them for a start . Sounds to me like a good reason for leaving the EU and why we should never have joined in the first place
It sounds to me like you believe the bullshit of blaming the EU for all our ills when it’s our own governments repeated failure to deal with our own problems. Both lab and con.
Our own government weren’t in a straight jacket in Europe they have failed miserably to keep this country developing in anything other than financial services. London was the only thing that mattered. Now when we need more than ever to grow the rest of the country we don’t have the cash anymore. We’re too busy paying debt!
Those few of you left in making stuff will be rare indeed if the history of shit U.K. governments continues.
This lot aren’t fooling anyone even their own supporters.
So what do you transport? Fresh air?
Very similar to your hot air no doubt !
From a person living in a glass house
Maybe it's time for a revolution?
Well we've just had one and now the governments might be shaken out of their malaise now that they have no one else to blame. The only way is up "I think you’re right the truth will out eventually. I genuinely hope I’m wrong but not convinced with it so far. Brexit is costing not saving as promised. I’m retiring from full time work later this year so it won’t affect me personally but I do worry for our younger generation’s future. | |||
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"We have some world class manufacturing here. Ours is more quality rather than quantity, as we can never compete on price with lower wage economies. I was heartened by the recent Centre Of Economics and Business Research (CEBR) report that we will overtake France economically in the next ten years. Why ‘heartened’? Wouldn’t it be great if both economies were motoring? " Heartened that the UK still has fight in it. You would hope that the more thriving economy would get the bigger share of inward investment. | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . I've been watching your posts quite closely and I'm calling bullshit on your claims, if you knew anything about VAT you would know that your post is complete rubbish. Come on then genius whys that? " The bit about claiming vat back, the rules are the same for every country. | |||
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"Someone nailed it the other day. Leavers believed in an idea..a concept..a fantasy Whilst remainers looked at the facts. What's the worst that could have happened if we would have stayed in? Things would have problably stayed the same and if they did begin to crumble. We could have left then. What's the worst that can happen now..we simply dont know Still blue passports eh?" If they did begin to crumble? FFS you've done nothing but say how bad things are in the UK since I've been reading these forums | |||
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"Someone nailed it the other day. Leavers believed in an idea..a concept..a fantasy Whilst remainers looked at the facts. What's the worst that could have happened if we would have stayed in? Things would have problably stayed the same and if they did begin to crumble. We could have left then. What's the worst that can happen now..we simply dont know Still blue passports eh? If they did begin to crumble? FFS you've done nothing but say how bad things are in the UK since I've been reading these forums "If the eu began to crumble | |||
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"We're in manufacturing, setting people on and working overtime from tomorrow, all good
What do you manufacture?
Are you hoping the working time directive goes out of the window so people can work longer?
Things that people want to buy. It ain't rocket science
Seriously what do you manufacture? are you lying by any chance? I'm happy to tell you I work in food safety and the site I operate at manufactures confectionery.
I've told you. Are you calling me a liar?
The success has come mostly through design and though the UK is by far our biggest customer, sales have grown exponentially in the EU and US thanks to that and the lower value of the pound
You haven't told me you gave a generalisation, I strongly suspect you are lying yes.you accuse lots of lying mate lol
And I'm always happy to be proved wrong.
Nah, you get very shirty every time you’re proved wrong, green arrow "Coming from someone who customises Churchill quotes to suit their narrative! Why not point out what you're referring rather than "Green Arrow." | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . I've been watching your posts quite closely and I'm calling bullshit on your claims, if you knew anything about VAT you would know that your post is complete rubbish. Come on then genius whys that? The bit about claiming vat back, the rules are the same for every country. " Really ? You see as an example I buy services and products in countries and in some I automatically get my vat back . To give you an further example in Norway I pay and they won’t give me my vat back. To get it back I have to register in Norway as in a number of other countries but not only that in Norway I have to trade in the opposite direction and to get my money back. So no sales no vat ! To trade in some countries they have electronic systems for me to reclaim in other we don’t know yet as doing our homework. Each country has its own rules if you were an expert you would know this. The rules are just as much fun on our export sales. The last time I imported for China a long time ago it was Fireplaces to sell in B&Q and Homebase. We paid 47-55 quid for manufacture packing a and shipping before selling wholesale before the retailers banged them out between £6-700. Nice margin for them. I don’t have the first clue of the procedures now from China regarding wholesale sales against small scale private sales. Feel free to enlighten me? I genuinely don’t know. We have to register a fiscal presence in additional countries right now to deal with Brexit issues and avoid wherever possible T1 costs and delays. Any company registered for vat as you know can offset their sales vat against purchases. An individual just pays and that’s the end of it. The fact is it’s not all the same but you knew that really didn’t you!
Just something else.
I’ve been on this site for over 10 years and it’s always been fun.
In the last six months I’ve been accused of being a fake, accused of being a picture collector, accused of being single even though we have verifications on both profiles, accused of lying on a site with rampant adultery which actually makes me laugh.
I have no ambition to mislead anyone on here or to pretend to be anyone I’m not and want too just enjoy the banter.
If the forums continue to just fall into rude insults and arguing rather than challenging debate what’s the point?
I always admit where I don’t know somethings and always happy to agree when someone I normally disagree with says something I also wish to be right. Silver horn above an example
Come on people this is fab and we’re not trying to be offensive or am I just wishful thinking .
Brexit has created passion but incredible division. I’m British and proud to be so. I don’t wish anyone anything bad on here so why are we all getting so aggressive?
We all have different political views but we are lucky we can express them. Because I think another way is better I don’t know my way is better or think I’m better than anyone or they are wrong.
It’s just a view that’s all.
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"Someone nailed it the other day. Leavers believed in an idea..a concept..a fantasy Whilst remainers looked at the facts. What's the worst that could have happened if we would have stayed in? Things would have problably stayed the same and if they did begin to crumble. We could have left then. What's the worst that can happen now..we simply dont know Still blue passports eh? If they did begin to crumble? FFS you've done nothing but say how bad things are in the UK since I've been reading these forums
If the eu began to crumble "Oh sorry. Well it's begun to crumble anyway with the UK leaving, why wait. And they had to cave in to Poland and Hungary to get the budget through to prevent it crumbling further. For now | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . I've been watching your posts quite closely and I'm calling bullshit on your claims, if you knew anything about VAT you would know that your post is complete rubbish. Come on then genius whys that? The bit about claiming vat back, the rules are the same for every country. Really ? You see as an example I buy services and products in countries and in some I automatically get my vat back . To give you an further example in Norway I pay and they won’t give me my vat back. To get it back I have to register in Norway as in a number of other countries but not only that in Norway I have to trade in the opposite direction and to get my money back. So no sales no vat ! To trade in some countries they have electronic systems for me to reclaim in other we don’t know yet as doing our homework. Each country has its own rules if you were an expert you would know this. The rules are just as much fun on our export sales. The last time I imported for China a long time ago it was Fireplaces to sell in B&Q and Homebase. We paid 47-55 quid for manufacture packing a and shipping before selling wholesale before the retailers banged them out between £6-700. Nice margin for them. I don’t have the first clue of the procedures now from China regarding wholesale sales against small scale private sales. Feel free to enlighten me? I genuinely don’t know. We have to register a fiscal presence in additional countries right now to deal with Brexit issues and avoid wherever possible T1 costs and delays. Any company registered for vat as you know can offset their sales vat against purchases. An individual just pays and that’s the end of it. The fact is it’s not all the same but you knew that really didn’t you!
Just something else.
I’ve been on this site for over 10 years and it’s always been fun.
In the last six months I’ve been accused of being a fake, accused of being a picture collector, accused of being single even though we have verifications on both profiles, accused of lying on a site with rampant adultery which actually makes me laugh.
I have no ambition to mislead anyone on here or to pretend to be anyone I’m not and want too just enjoy the banter.
If the forums continue to just fall into rude insults and arguing rather than challenging debate what’s the point?
I always admit where I don’t know somethings and always happy to agree when someone I normally disagree with says something I also wish to be right. Silver horn above an example
Come on people this is fab and we’re not trying to be offensive or am I just wishful thinking .
Brexit has created passion but incredible division. I’m British and proud to be so. I don’t wish anyone anything bad on here so why are we all getting so aggressive?
We all have different political views but we are lucky we can express them. Because I think another way is better I don’t know my way is better or think I’m better than anyone or they are wrong.
It’s just a view that’s all.
"your spot in there mate it’s got a lot worse last six months on here plenty name calling on all sides we all need to calm down a bit now it’s a new year new start and more importantly we have Covid to deal with I’m guna try to be a bit more respectful maybe more will now great post jackal | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . I've been watching your posts quite closely and I'm calling bullshit on your claims, if you knew anything about VAT you would know that your post is complete rubbish. Come on then genius whys that? The bit about claiming vat back, the rules are the same for every country. Really ? You see as an example I buy services and products in countries and in some I automatically get my vat back . To give you an further example in Norway I pay and they won’t give me my vat back. To get it back I have to register in Norway as in a number of other countries but not only that in Norway I have to trade in the opposite direction and to get my money back. So no sales no vat ! To trade in some countries they have electronic systems for me to reclaim in other we don’t know yet as doing our homework. Each country has its own rules if you were an expert you would know this. The rules are just as much fun on our export sales. The last time I imported for China a long time ago it was Fireplaces to sell in B&Q and Homebase. We paid 47-55 quid for manufacture packing a and shipping before selling wholesale before the retailers banged them out between £6-700. Nice margin for them. I don’t have the first clue of the procedures now from China regarding wholesale sales against small scale private sales. Feel free to enlighten me? I genuinely don’t know. We have to register a fiscal presence in additional countries right now to deal with Brexit issues and avoid wherever possible T1 costs and delays. Any company registered for vat as you know can offset their sales vat against purchases. An individual just pays and that’s the end of it. The fact is it’s not all the same but you knew that really didn’t you!
Just something else.
I’ve been on this site for over 10 years and it’s always been fun.
In the last six months I’ve been accused of being a fake, accused of being a picture collector, accused of being single even though we have verifications on both profiles, accused of lying on a site with rampant adultery which actually makes me laugh.
I have no ambition to mislead anyone on here or to pretend to be anyone I’m not and want too just enjoy the banter.
If the forums continue to just fall into rude insults and arguing rather than challenging debate what’s the point?
I always admit where I don’t know somethings and always happy to agree when someone I normally disagree with says something I also wish to be right. Silver horn above an example
Come on people this is fab and we’re not trying to be offensive or am I just wishful thinking .
Brexit has created passion but incredible division. I’m British and proud to be so. I don’t wish anyone anything bad on here so why are we all getting so aggressive?
We all have different political views but we are lucky we can express them. Because I think another way is better I don’t know my way is better or think I’m better than anyone or they are wrong.
It’s just a view that’s all.
"You are talking about refunds from goods or services purchased in other countries, in some circumstances you can claim a refund, a refund from a foreign country is very different from the vat treatment on imports into the uk. Every single item imported into the UK from anywhere in the world that carries uk vat has to be valued at the time of import, this includes all costs, fees etc. This is an input tax and if the importer is registered it can be claimed back via MTD vat return. You are talking about claiming a refund from in this case norway, completely different. But YOU know that dont you. | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . I've been watching your posts quite closely and I'm calling bullshit on your claims, if you knew anything about VAT you would know that your post is complete rubbish. Come on then genius whys that? The bit about claiming vat back, the rules are the same for every country. Really ? You see as an example I buy services and products in countries and in some I automatically get my vat back . To give you an further example in Norway I pay and they won’t give me my vat back. To get it back I have to register in Norway as in a number of other countries but not only that in Norway I have to trade in the opposite direction and to get my money back. So no sales no vat ! To trade in some countries they have electronic systems for me to reclaim in other we don’t know yet as doing our homework. Each country has its own rules if you were an expert you would know this. The rules are just as much fun on our export sales. The last time I imported for China a long time ago it was Fireplaces to sell in B&Q and Homebase. We paid 47-55 quid for manufacture packing a and shipping before selling wholesale before the retailers banged them out between £6-700. Nice margin for them. I don’t have the first clue of the procedures now from China regarding wholesale sales against small scale private sales. Feel free to enlighten me? I genuinely don’t know. We have to register a fiscal presence in additional countries right now to deal with Brexit issues and avoid wherever possible T1 costs and delays. Any company registered for vat as you know can offset their sales vat against purchases. An individual just pays and that’s the end of it. The fact is it’s not all the same but you knew that really didn’t you!
Just something else.
I’ve been on this site for over 10 years and it’s always been fun.
In the last six months I’ve been accused of being a fake, accused of being a picture collector, accused of being single even though we have verifications on both profiles, accused of lying on a site with rampant adultery which actually makes me laugh.
I have no ambition to mislead anyone on here or to pretend to be anyone I’m not and want too just enjoy the banter.
If the forums continue to just fall into rude insults and arguing rather than challenging debate what’s the point?
I always admit where I don’t know somethings and always happy to agree when someone I normally disagree with says something I also wish to be right. Silver horn above an example
Come on people this is fab and we’re not trying to be offensive or am I just wishful thinking .
Brexit has created passion but incredible division. I’m British and proud to be so. I don’t wish anyone anything bad on here so why are we all getting so aggressive?
We all have different political views but we are lucky we can express them. Because I think another way is better I don’t know my way is better or think I’m better than anyone or they are wrong.
It’s just a view that’s all.
"Honestly I respectfully think it sounds like you’re mixing in a lot of other issues (profile, pics etc) that far as I know have nothing to do with anyone on the politics forum. Yes we have vigorous exchanges of views, it’s politics after all, and I’ll be the first to admit I find a fair bit of remainer comment funny. Can’t help it. We’re all just trying to show the other side the error of their ways. I don’t particularly see anyone here dishing out personal insults. When someone calls me a believer in unicorns I laugh. If they say I’ve got big ears I’m hurt  | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . I've been watching your posts quite closely and I'm calling bullshit on your claims, if you knew anything about VAT you would know that your post is complete rubbish. Come on then genius whys that? The bit about claiming vat back, the rules are the same for every country. Really ? You see as an example I buy services and products in countries and in some I automatically get my vat back . To give you an further example in Norway I pay and they won’t give me my vat back. To get it back I have to register in Norway as in a number of other countries but not only that in Norway I have to trade in the opposite direction and to get my money back. So no sales no vat ! To trade in some countries they have electronic systems for me to reclaim in other we don’t know yet as doing our homework. Each country has its own rules if you were an expert you would know this. The rules are just as much fun on our export sales. The last time I imported for China a long time ago it was Fireplaces to sell in B&Q and Homebase. We paid 47-55 quid for manufacture packing a and shipping before selling wholesale before the retailers banged them out between £6-700. Nice margin for them. I don’t have the first clue of the procedures now from China regarding wholesale sales against small scale private sales. Feel free to enlighten me? I genuinely don’t know. We have to register a fiscal presence in additional countries right now to deal with Brexit issues and avoid wherever possible T1 costs and delays. Any company registered for vat as you know can offset their sales vat against purchases. An individual just pays and that’s the end of it. The fact is it’s not all the same but you knew that really didn’t you!
Just something else.
I’ve been on this site for over 10 years and it’s always been fun.
In the last six months I’ve been accused of being a fake, accused of being a picture collector, accused of being single even though we have verifications on both profiles, accused of lying on a site with rampant adultery which actually makes me laugh.
I have no ambition to mislead anyone on here or to pretend to be anyone I’m not and want too just enjoy the banter.
If the forums continue to just fall into rude insults and arguing rather than challenging debate what’s the point?
I always admit where I don’t know somethings and always happy to agree when someone I normally disagree with says something I also wish to be right. Silver horn above an example
Come on people this is fab and we’re not trying to be offensive or am I just wishful thinking .
Brexit has created passion but incredible division. I’m British and proud to be so. I don’t wish anyone anything bad on here so why are we all getting so aggressive?
We all have different political views but we are lucky we can express them. Because I think another way is better I don’t know my way is better or think I’m better than anyone or they are wrong.
It’s just a view that’s all.
You are talking about refunds from goods or services purchased in other countries, in some circumstances you can claim a refund, a refund from a foreign country is very different from the vat treatment on imports into the uk. Every single item imported into the UK from anywhere in the world that carries uk vat has to be valued at the time of import, this includes all costs, fees etc. This is an input tax and if the importer is registered it can be claimed back via MTD vat return.
You are talking about claiming a refund from in this case norway, completely different. But YOU know that dont you."You’re statement was I quote “The rules are the same for every country” they are clearly not! I said I didn’t know about China and I also Said I didn’t know whether the foreign registered shippers can claim the vat back on their imports if they are fiscally represented in tne U.K. I openly said I don’t know this regarding imports from china and I quote “ If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers?” I actually asked the question to anyone who imports from China. so again where is my bullshit? | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . I've been watching your posts quite closely and I'm calling bullshit on your claims, if you knew anything about VAT you would know that your post is complete rubbish. Come on then genius whys that? The bit about claiming vat back, the rules are the same for every country. Really ? You see as an example I buy services and products in countries and in some I automatically get my vat back . To give you an further example in Norway I pay and they won’t give me my vat back. To get it back I have to register in Norway as in a number of other countries but not only that in Norway I have to trade in the opposite direction and to get my money back. So no sales no vat ! To trade in some countries they have electronic systems for me to reclaim in other we don’t know yet as doing our homework. Each country has its own rules if you were an expert you would know this. The rules are just as much fun on our export sales. The last time I imported for China a long time ago it was Fireplaces to sell in B&Q and Homebase. We paid 47-55 quid for manufacture packing a and shipping before selling wholesale before the retailers banged them out between £6-700. Nice margin for them. I don’t have the first clue of the procedures now from China regarding wholesale sales against small scale private sales. Feel free to enlighten me? I genuinely don’t know. We have to register a fiscal presence in additional countries right now to deal with Brexit issues and avoid wherever possible T1 costs and delays. Any company registered for vat as you know can offset their sales vat against purchases. An individual just pays and that’s the end of it. The fact is it’s not all the same but you knew that really didn’t you!
Just something else.
I’ve been on this site for over 10 years and it’s always been fun.
In the last six months I’ve been accused of being a fake, accused of being a picture collector, accused of being single even though we have verifications on both profiles, accused of lying on a site with rampant adultery which actually makes me laugh.
I have no ambition to mislead anyone on here or to pretend to be anyone I’m not and want too just enjoy the banter.
If the forums continue to just fall into rude insults and arguing rather than challenging debate what’s the point?
I always admit where I don’t know somethings and always happy to agree when someone I normally disagree with says something I also wish to be right. Silver horn above an example
Come on people this is fab and we’re not trying to be offensive or am I just wishful thinking .
Brexit has created passion but incredible division. I’m British and proud to be so. I don’t wish anyone anything bad on here so why are we all getting so aggressive?
We all have different political views but we are lucky we can express them. Because I think another way is better I don’t know my way is better or think I’m better than anyone or they are wrong.
It’s just a view that’s all.
Honestly I respectfully think it sounds like you’re mixing in a lot of other issues (profile, pics etc) that far as I know have nothing to do with anyone on the politics forum.
Yes we have vigorous exchanges of views, it’s politics after all, and I’ll be the first to admit I find a fair bit of remainer comment funny. Can’t help it.
We’re all just trying to show the other side the error of their ways. I don’t particularly see anyone here dishing out personal insults. When someone calls me a believer in unicorns I laugh. If they say I’ve got big ears I’m hurt "I’m definitely thick skinned enough to take abuse don’t worry I won’t go crying into the corner just yet! I just think it’s constant dumbing down on here to argumentative posts and insults rather than making a useful point. | |||
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"Be brilliant if we made anything .. oh dear the theory kind of crashed right there and we’ll just be paying more for everything. If anyone on here imports from China please correct me if I’m wrong but if it’s bulk importing and the Chinese company register here in the U.K. they can claim their own VAT costs back so the only people paying extra are the small joe public buyers? I’ve not imported from there for over twenty years so not sure of trading conditions so happy to be corrected . I've been watching your posts quite closely and I'm calling bullshit on your claims, if you knew anything about VAT you would know that your post is complete rubbish. Come on then genius whys that? The bit about claiming vat back, the rules are the same for every country. Really ? You see as an example I buy services and products in countries and in some I automatically get my vat back . To give you an further example in Norway I pay and they won’t give me my vat back. To get it back I have to register in Norway as in a number of other countries but not only that in Norway I have to trade in the opposite direction and to get my money back. So no sales no vat ! To trade in some countries they have electronic systems for me to reclaim in other we don’t know yet as doing our homework. Each country has its own rules if you were an expert you would know this. The rules are just as much fun on our export sales. The last time I imported for China a long time ago it was Fireplaces to sell in B&Q and Homebase. We paid 47-55 quid for manufacture packing a and shipping before selling wholesale before the retailers banged them out between £6-700. Nice margin for them. I don’t have the first clue of the procedures now from China regarding wholesale sales against small scale private sales. Feel free to enlighten me? I genuinely don’t know. We have to register a fiscal presence in additional countries right now to deal with Brexit issues and avoid wherever possible T1 costs and delays. Any company registered for vat as you know can offset their sales vat against purchases. An individual just pays and that’s the end of it. The fact is it’s not all the same but you knew that really didn’t you!
Just something else.
I’ve been on this site for over 10 years and it’s always been fun.
In the last six months I’ve been accused of being a fake, accused of being a picture collector, accused of being single even though we have verifications on both profiles, accused of lying on a site with rampant adultery which actually makes me laugh.
I have no ambition to mislead anyone on here or to pretend to be anyone I’m not and want too just enjoy the banter.
If the forums continue to just fall into rude insults and arguing rather than challenging debate what’s the point?
I always admit where I don’t know somethings and always happy to agree when someone I normally disagree with says something I also wish to be right. Silver horn above an example
Come on people this is fab and we’re not trying to be offensive or am I just wishful thinking .
Brexit has created passion but incredible division. I’m British and proud to be so. I don’t wish anyone anything bad on here so why are we all getting so aggressive?
We all have different political views but we are lucky we can express them. Because I think another way is better I don’t know my way is better or think I’m better than anyone or they are wrong.
It’s just a view that’s all.
your spot in there mate it’s got a lot worse last six months on here plenty name calling on all sides we all need to calm down a bit now it’s a new year new start and more importantly we have Covid to deal with I’m guna try to be a bit more respectful maybe more will now great post jackal "Thanks Foxychick Let’s hope so. | |||
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"Leading Tory Daniel Hannan has said and is urging the PM that safeguards for the use of data, pay and conditions, GM foods, hedge funds, dangerous chemicals and the disposal of environmentally-damaging vehicles should all be binned now Brexit has gone through. These Brexit bonuses just get better every day....
Let’s see how soon the unicorn believes manage to spin this one....
In fairness to Hannan. These were some of the main purposes for brexit. So he's only asking them to get the finger out and get on with it."And just exactly why rolling back these safeguards is a good thing ? ..... | |||
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"Leading Tory Daniel Hannan has said and is urging the PM that safeguards for the use of data, pay and conditions, GM foods, hedge funds, dangerous chemicals and the disposal of environmentally-damaging vehicles should all be binned now Brexit has gone through. These Brexit bonuses just get better every day....
Let’s see how soon the unicorn believes manage to spin this one....
In fairness to Hannan. These were some of the main purposes for brexit. So he's only asking them to get the finger out and get on with it.
And just exactly why rolling back these safeguards is a good thing ? ..... "It's not a good thing in my opinion. But Brexit wasn't all about currency traders crashing the value of sterling and about tax avoidance. A big part of it was to remove these safeguards to benefit the likes of Tim Martin and to facilitate US corporations buying into the UK market. At least Hannan is being honest about it. | |||
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"Leading Tory Daniel Hannan has said and is urging the PM that safeguards for the use of data, pay and conditions, GM foods, hedge funds, dangerous chemicals and the disposal of environmentally-damaging vehicles should all be binned now Brexit has gone through. These Brexit bonuses just get better every day....
Let’s see how soon the unicorn believes manage to spin this one....
In fairness to Hannan. These were some of the main purposes for brexit. So he's only asking them to get the finger out and get on with it.
And just exactly why rolling back these safeguards is a good thing ? .....
It's not a good thing in my opinion. But Brexit wasn't all about currency traders crashing the value of sterling and about tax avoidance. A big part of it was to remove these safeguards to benefit the likes of Tim Martin and to facilitate US corporations buying into the UK market.
At least Hannan is being honest about it."He wants to start by ensuring agency workers get less pay and lower working conditions than normall workers. And call me nostradamus but what's the odds his next move will be to do the same to normal workers? Red wall..great job.once again. | |||
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"In Part 1, I mentioned our own personal experiences of Licorea.com emailing notification that they were no longer shipping to the U.K. and also my wife’s attempt to buy some Dedigner ear rings was thwarted because the Paris based retailer no longer offered shipping to the U.K. Just read an interesting news article that adds more depth to the issue, Must say that it seems an odd stance to take by the Govt as small retailers around the world (not just the EU) are just not going to register and pay a fee to HMRC every year . https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55530721 You do realise it's to stop people avoiding tax ,I would have thought you would think that's a good thing. Also legitimate businesses are being undercut by firms who either dont charge the vat they should or collect it but dont pay it to HMRC.so there is a fee to pay, do accountants charge for their time, do you have to pay to ship stuff etc etc . If firms want to sell stuff here they will find a way, why should uk tax payers have to cover the costs of HMRC doing the paperwork to check these imports . As it says clearly in the article... If every country in the world were to adopt the same regime with every small retailer, international commerce for the private individual would simply cease to exist. No-one is in favour of tax avoidance but you just can’t expect (for example) a small bicycle part manufacturer in the USA, or a radiator valve seller in Poland to register with the U.K. HMRC in order to sell parts sold on EBay. Just take that to its logical conclusion and the days of the small, private retailer will be over. The packages should be shipped with contents snd value marked and the importer pays the appropriate duty and/or VAT." Pst Thats the way it actually happens | |||
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"Well we now have only one truck stuck waiting for HMRC to issue a T1 document . He’s in a big queue but you won’t see the queue as our wonderfully deceitful government have gone into traffic management. We are all used to electronic PDF paperwork helping to speed up any process for years but amazingly for. T 1 into Europe, the driver now has to appear in person at an inland customs facility to be personally issued with a hard copy paper version. Theses facilities have suddenly appeared next to truck parks (not all) stops around the country. According to HMRC this system is being used for Dover / Folkestone and Holyhead. There is only one reason for this backwards step and it’s to stop the massive queues in Kent being shown on the news. One truck on his way after 4 hours the other still waiting. Guess who’s picking up the many hundreds of Euros Bill? A clue it’s not the EU!! Even without the delay we have to pay for the truck and driver to be diverted and delayed for at least two hours. Added cost on every job. The predicted lorry queue is forming but like Alton towers you can’t see the length of it as it’s depressing to customers so it’s been spread out across the country. I also suspect the paperwork system is slowing down inputs to protect the old fashioned chief IT system. We only planned 20 jobs this week to avoid the chaos . Looks like we are going to have some fun even with those few. The subcontractor still stuck has told us they won’t be coming back until the system is sorted electronically. They are not interested in the delays. Another fine win Boris! " Oh the life of a freight forwards /logistics company. Who could of thought we would have so much fun. T1s great forms. Just now the poor artic driver has to keep jumping through hoops ... hes a driver not admin! | |||
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"So it's now the uk's fault that the EU is going to set up a similar system. Let me try once more to explain why it's being done. Company A imports into the UK, their product is £100 plus 20 quid vat, customer happy, seller happy HMRC happy. Company B imports into the uk £100 , doesnt register for vat, customer happy company happy, hmrc very unhappy, less money for the nhs, uk competitor cant compete goes bust, jobs lost in the uk. Company C imports the 100 quid item but sells it for 115 claiming it to be cheaper than A's including vat, company pockets the alleged vat by issuing false vat receipt, company very happy customer happy as he thinks he has saved 5 quid, hmrc and uk competitors unhappy for the previous reasons. Yet still we have people blaming the uk for collecting tax and creating a level playing field for uk firms, still as long as its not the tory elite on the fiddle its all ok. Couple of problems bud, how does company B import with no vat if there not vat registered, if they dont have a vat number the exporter would charge vat. Dont understand company c but think your saying foreign company needs to issue a false invoice , how can they do this if everyone else is paying the 100 they would be leaving themselves open to fraud and other charges. " well typed bet he ain Eori reg either | |||
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"So it's now the uk's fault that the EU is going to set up a similar system. Let me try once more to explain why it's being done. Company A imports into the UK, their product is £100 plus 20 quid vat, customer happy, seller happy HMRC happy. Company B imports into the uk £100 , doesnt register for vat, customer happy company happy, hmrc very unhappy, less money for the nhs, uk competitor cant compete goes bust, jobs lost in the uk. Company C imports the 100 quid item but sells it for 115 claiming it to be cheaper than A's including vat, company pockets the alleged vat by issuing false vat receipt, company very happy customer happy as he thinks he has saved 5 quid, hmrc and uk competitors unhappy for the previous reasons. Yet still we have people blaming the uk for collecting tax and creating a level playing field for uk firms, still as long as its not the tory elite on the fiddle its all ok. Couple of problems bud, how does company B import with no vat if there not vat registered, if they dont have a vat number the exporter would charge vat. Dont understand company c but think your saying foreign company needs to issue a false invoice , how can they do this if everyone else is paying the 100 they would be leaving themselves open to fraud and other charges.
well typed bet he ain Eori reg either"I dont need to be eori reg as I dont import/export, but I have been doing vat returns for 40 years and tax returns for 38, I've never had problems with either HMRC or customs&excise, I know the rules well unlike a few others that dont seem to grasp the difference between uk vat allocated on imports and country of origin charged vat to goods purchased there. Makes no odds to me, but the theme was the new rules would put of traders, my view is it stops tax fraud which undercuts honest importers and uk based businesses | |||
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"Makes no odds to me, but the theme was the new rules would put of traders, my view is it stops tax fraud which undercuts honest importers and uk based businesses " | |||
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"So it's now the uk's fault that the EU is going to set up a similar system. Let me try once more to explain why it's being done. Company A imports into the UK, their product is £100 plus 20 quid vat, customer happy, seller happy HMRC happy. Company B imports into the uk £100 , doesnt register for vat, customer happy company happy, hmrc very unhappy, less money for the nhs, uk competitor cant compete goes bust, jobs lost in the uk. Company C imports the 100 quid item but sells it for 115 claiming it to be cheaper than A's including vat, company pockets the alleged vat by issuing false vat receipt, company very happy customer happy as he thinks he has saved 5 quid, hmrc and uk competitors unhappy for the previous reasons. Yet still we have people blaming the uk for collecting tax and creating a level playing field for uk firms, still as long as its not the tory elite on the fiddle its all ok. Couple of problems bud, how does company B import with no vat if there not vat registered, if they dont have a vat number the exporter would charge vat. Dont understand company c but think your saying foreign company needs to issue a false invoice , how can they do this if everyone else is paying the 100 they would be leaving themselves open to fraud and other charges.
well typed bet he ain Eori reg either
I dont need to be eori reg as I dont import/export, but I have been doing vat returns for 40 years and tax returns for 38, I've never had problems with either HMRC or customs&excise, I know the rules well unlike a few others that dont seem to grasp the difference between uk vat allocated on imports and country of origin charged vat to goods purchased there.
Makes no odds to me, but the theme was the new rules would put of traders, my view is it stops tax fraud which undercuts honest importers and uk based businesses "Hi Robka Little dig noticed and I refer to my previous post of asking as I didn’t claim to know on the imports from China. With you knowing the rules well along with your wide and varied knowledge of 40 years, please feel free to educate me on the process of vat recovery in the 17 European countries we trade with as my accountants dept are all ears and your advice would be very welcome. You can also advise on how to split the vat on logistics ? Should we go thirds with truck, ship, truck or perhaps kilometre based but then maybe we should do a deal with HMRC as like every other business ours is unique and we don’t adhere to common practice or use all VAT procedures. You want a level playing field so would like to help us get us our vat back as a U.K. registered company I’m sure. You are the same as us, in that you have your corridor of knowledge related to your business but are now claiming to be a wise sage in the VAT handling business and how it will affect the U.K. economy. I certainly haven’t claimed superior VAT knowledge. Btw I bow to your up to date knowledge on solely U.K. vat returns. I haven’t done a vat return for over thirty years when they were done by hand on paper as I have people in the business who do that .
Think it’s electronic these days
Anyway back to my point.
You make it sound like little Bo peep U.K. small business is being attached by a wolf! With the level playing field comment.
In the year 2017-18 there were over 40k cases of tax fraud by U.K. business recorded in this country. That’s the ones known of. The ones unknown could be double or maybe half who knows.
This bit is quoted from a tax lawyer so definitely not my knowledge.
“The failure by HMRC to bring criminal prosecutions for tax fraud in order to set an example to would-be tax cheats who thereby feel emboldened to cheat
Breaking matters down further, investigations have concluded that:
£13.7bn is estimated to come from small business..
£7bn is estimated to come from large business
£5.4bn is estimated to come from criminals
£3.9bn is estimated to come from medium businesses
£3.4bn is estimated to come from individuals”
So those small businesses cowering in the corner seem to be doing just fine with their own avoidance.
The VAT changes “in my opinion” will only mean costs and more admin across the board making the U.K. a less attractive place to do business for Europeans at least. .
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"If your accounts dept dont know then the best advice would be to sack them and get some that can use the internet, all the info is there and freely available. I have stated how it works I'm not going to repeat myself again. I think we will both agree that if the figures for fraud are anywhere near the truth it's a disgrace and shows how shit government depts are, that's not the politicians but the civil servants running the depts. Of course when MTD expands to complete tax returns as opposed to just vat they might catch a few more as changes should flag up, it has certainly made keeping my accounts up to date easier, it was a ball ache in 2019 learning how to do it with a bridging programme as I do my accounts on a workbook based spreadsheet in excel rather than a sage/quickbooks type programme. I certainly learnt a lot about linking formulas and different pages etc. I enjoy doing my own accounts but certainly wouldnt want to do it for a living " I think the accounts staff are safe for now
I agree the fraud figures are shocking. I think if politicians set a bad example re expenses and free gifts etc or don’t push through change to be more forceful then the results won’t change anytime soon.
Having met a few politicians and ministers in my time I am constantly shocked how incompetent they actually are. Being able to avoid an answer is fine if you can fluff until you walk away. If you you really have to answer a question they constantly fail in my opinion to actually know the answer.
I genuinely walked out of one meeting when I realised the minister had no idea what he was talking about. Genuinely depressing if you think it through to who’s in charge. It’s MPs that are promoted.
I like the fact you do your own accounts an it brought back a very nice memory for me. I studied at night school how to programme . The first programme I wrote for myself was accounts profit and loss and VAT calculations. I didn’t use it in the business as it certainly wasn’t clever enough.
After seeing Sage in operation I knew my place and bought off the shelf but was nevertheless pleased I’d at least done it.
Good that you control your stuff yourself, so all due respect from me.
I did use to do my own accounts and payroll.
The tax books regarding PAYE would see off a full Sunday every week to get the wages done.
Not fun.
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"So it's now the uk's fault that the EU is going to set up a similar system. Let me try once more to explain why it's being done. Company A imports into the UK, their product is £100 plus 20 quid vat, customer happy, seller happy HMRC happy. Company B imports into the uk £100 , doesnt register for vat, customer happy company happy, hmrc very unhappy, less money for the nhs, uk competitor cant compete goes bust, jobs lost in the uk. Company C imports the 100 quid item but sells it for 115 claiming it to be cheaper than A's including vat, company pockets the alleged vat by issuing false vat receipt, company very happy customer happy as he thinks he has saved 5 quid, hmrc and uk competitors unhappy for the previous reasons. Yet still we have people blaming the uk for collecting tax and creating a level playing field for uk firms, still as long as its not the tory elite on the fiddle its all ok. Couple of problems bud, how does company B import with no vat if there not vat registered, if they dont have a vat number the exporter would charge vat. Dont understand company c but think your saying foreign company needs to issue a false invoice , how can they do this if everyone else is paying the 100 they would be leaving themselves open to fraud and other charges.
well typed bet he ain Eori reg either
I dont need to be eori reg as I dont import/export, but I have been doing vat returns for 40 years and tax returns for 38, I've never had problems with either HMRC or customs&excise, I know the rules well unlike a few others that dont seem to grasp the difference between uk vat allocated on imports and country of origin charged vat to goods purchased there.
Makes no odds to me, but the theme was the new rules would put of traders, my view is it stops tax fraud which undercuts honest importers and uk based businesses
Hi Robka
Little dig noticed and I refer to my previous post of asking as I didn’t claim to know on the imports from China. With you knowing the rules well along with your wide and varied knowledge of 40 years, please feel free to educate me on the process of vat recovery in the 17 European countries we trade with as my accountants dept are all ears and your advice would be very welcome.
You can also advise on how to split the vat on logistics ?
Should we go thirds with truck, ship, truck or perhaps kilometre based but then maybe we should do a deal with HMRC as like every other business ours is unique and we don’t adhere to common practice or use all VAT procedures.
You want a level playing field so would like to help us get us our vat back as a U.K. registered company I’m sure.
You are the same as us, in that you have your corridor of knowledge related to your business but are now claiming to be a wise sage in the VAT handling business and how it will affect the U.K. economy. I certainly haven’t claimed superior VAT knowledge.
Btw I bow to your up to date knowledge on solely U.K. vat returns. I haven’t done a vat return for over thirty years when they were done by hand on paper as I have people in the business who do that .
Think it’s electronic these days
Anyway back to my point.
You make it sound like little Bo peep U.K. small business is being attached by a wolf! With the level playing field comment.
In the year 2017-18 there were over 40k cases of tax fraud by U.K. business recorded in this country. That’s the ones known of. The ones unknown could be double or maybe half who knows.
This bit is quoted from a tax lawyer so definitely not my knowledge.
“The failure by HMRC to bring criminal prosecutions for tax fraud in order to set an example to would-be tax cheats who thereby feel emboldened to cheat
Breaking matters down further, investigations have concluded that:
£13.7bn is estimated to come from small business..
£7bn is estimated to come from large business
£5.4bn is estimated to come from criminals
£3.9bn is estimated to come from medium businesses
£3.4bn is estimated to come from individuals”
So those small businesses cowering in the corner seem to be doing just fine with their own avoidance.
The VAT changes “in my opinion” will only mean costs and more admin across the board making the U.K. a less attractive place to do business for Europeans at least. .
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"So it's now the uk's fault that the EU is going to set up a similar system. Let me try once more to explain why it's being done. Company A imports into the UK, their product is £100 plus 20 quid vat, customer happy, seller happy HMRC happy. Company B imports into the uk £100 , doesnt register for vat, customer happy company happy, hmrc very unhappy, less money for the nhs, uk competitor cant compete goes bust, jobs lost in the uk. Company C imports the 100 quid item but sells it for 115 claiming it to be cheaper than A's including vat, company pockets the alleged vat by issuing false vat receipt, company very happy customer happy as he thinks he has saved 5 quid, hmrc and uk competitors unhappy for the previous reasons. Yet still we have people blaming the uk for collecting tax and creating a level playing field for uk firms, still as long as its not the tory elite on the fiddle its all ok. Couple of problems bud, how does company B import with no vat if there not vat registered, if they dont have a vat number the exporter would charge vat. Dont understand company c but think your saying foreign company needs to issue a false invoice , how can they do this if everyone else is paying the 100 they would be leaving themselves open to fraud and other charges.
well typed bet he ain Eori reg either
I dont need to be eori reg as I dont import/export, but I have been doing vat returns for 40 years and tax returns for 38, I've never had problems with either HMRC or customs&excise, I know the rules well unlike a few others that dont seem to grasp the difference between uk vat allocated on imports and country of origin charged vat to goods purchased there.
Makes no odds to me, but the theme was the new rules would put of traders, my view is it stops tax fraud which undercuts honest importers and uk based businesses
Hi Robka
Little dig noticed and I refer to my previous post of asking as I didn’t claim to know on the imports from China. With you knowing the rules well along with your wide and varied knowledge of 40 years, please feel free to educate me on the process of vat recovery in the 17 European countries we trade with as my accountants dept are all ears and your advice would be very welcome.
You can also advise on how to split the vat on logistics ?
Should we go thirds with truck, ship, truck or perhaps kilometre based but then maybe we should do a deal with HMRC as like every other business ours is unique and we don’t adhere to common practice or use all VAT procedures.
You want a level playing field so would like to help us get us our vat back as a U.K. registered company I’m sure.
You are the same as us, in that you have your corridor of knowledge related to your business but are now claiming to be a wise sage in the VAT handling business and how it will affect the U.K. economy. I certainly haven’t claimed superior VAT knowledge.
Btw I bow to your up to date knowledge on solely U.K. vat returns. I haven’t done a vat return for over thirty years when they were done by hand on paper as I have people in the business who do that .
Think it’s electronic these days
Anyway back to my point.
You make it sound like little Bo peep U.K. small business is being attached by a wolf! With the level playing field comment.
In the year 2017-18 there were over 40k cases of tax fraud by U.K. business recorded in this country. That’s the ones known of. The ones unknown could be double or maybe half who knows.
This bit is quoted from a tax lawyer so definitely not my knowledge.
“The failure by HMRC to bring criminal prosecutions for tax fraud in order to set an example to would-be tax cheats who thereby feel emboldened to cheat
Breaking matters down further, investigations have concluded that:
£13.7bn is estimated to come from small business..
£7bn is estimated to come from large business
£5.4bn is estimated to come from criminals
£3.9bn is estimated to come from medium businesses
£3.4bn is estimated to come from individuals”
So those small businesses cowering in the corner seem to be doing just fine with their own avoidance.
The VAT changes “in my opinion” will only mean costs and more admin across the board making the U.K. a less attractive place to do business for Europeans at least. .
Let's not worry about the fraud, we can just tax the rich people more "Another genius who thinks charging uk customers to allow foreign businesses to trade with us is a good idea. | |||
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"So it's now the uk's fault that the EU is going to set up a similar system. Let me try once more to explain why it's being done. Company A imports into the UK, their product is £100 plus 20 quid vat, customer happy, seller happy HMRC happy. Company B imports into the uk £100 , doesnt register for vat, customer happy company happy, hmrc very unhappy, less money for the nhs, uk competitor cant compete goes bust, jobs lost in the uk. Company C imports the 100 quid item but sells it for 115 claiming it to be cheaper than A's including vat, company pockets the alleged vat by issuing false vat receipt, company very happy customer happy as he thinks he has saved 5 quid, hmrc and uk competitors unhappy for the previous reasons. Yet still we have people blaming the uk for collecting tax and creating a level playing field for uk firms, still as long as its not the tory elite on the fiddle its all ok. Couple of problems bud, how does company B import with no vat if there not vat registered, if they dont have a vat number the exporter would charge vat. Dont understand company c but think your saying foreign company needs to issue a false invoice , how can they do this if everyone else is paying the 100 they would be leaving themselves open to fraud and other charges.
well typed bet he ain Eori reg either
I dont need to be eori reg as I dont import/export, but I have been doing vat returns for 40 years and tax returns for 38, I've never had problems with either HMRC or customs&excise, I know the rules well unlike a few others that dont seem to grasp the difference between uk vat allocated on imports and country of origin charged vat to goods purchased there.
Makes no odds to me, but the theme was the new rules would put of traders, my view is it stops tax fraud which undercuts honest importers and uk based businesses
Hi Robka
Little dig noticed and I refer to my previous post of asking as I didn’t claim to know on the imports from China. With you knowing the rules well along with your wide and varied knowledge of 40 years, please feel free to educate me on the process of vat recovery in the 17 European countries we trade with as my accountants dept are all ears and your advice would be very welcome.
You can also advise on how to split the vat on logistics ?
Should we go thirds with truck, ship, truck or perhaps kilometre based but then maybe we should do a deal with HMRC as like every other business ours is unique and we don’t adhere to common practice or use all VAT procedures.
You want a level playing field so would like to help us get us our vat back as a U.K. registered company I’m sure.
You are the same as us, in that you have your corridor of knowledge related to your business but are now claiming to be a wise sage in the VAT handling business and how it will affect the U.K. economy. I certainly haven’t claimed superior VAT knowledge.
Btw I bow to your up to date knowledge on solely U.K. vat returns. I haven’t done a vat return for over thirty years when they were done by hand on paper as I have people in the business who do that .
Think it’s electronic these days
Anyway back to my point.
You make it sound like little Bo peep U.K. small business is being attached by a wolf! With the level playing field comment.
In the year 2017-18 there were over 40k cases of tax fraud by U.K. business recorded in this country. That’s the ones known of. The ones unknown could be double or maybe half who knows.
This bit is quoted from a tax lawyer so definitely not my knowledge.
“The failure by HMRC to bring criminal prosecutions for tax fraud in order to set an example to would-be tax cheats who thereby feel emboldened to cheat
Breaking matters down further, investigations have concluded that:
£13.7bn is estimated to come from small business..
£7bn is estimated to come from large business
£5.4bn is estimated to come from criminals
£3.9bn is estimated to come from medium businesses
£3.4bn is estimated to come from individuals”
So those small businesses cowering in the corner seem to be doing just fine with their own avoidance.
The VAT changes “in my opinion” will only mean costs and more admin across the board making the U.K. a less attractive place to do business for Europeans at least. .
Let's not worry about the fraud, we can just tax the rich people more
Another genius who thinks charging uk customers to allow foreign businesses to trade with us is a good idea."“More” as in “pay the right amount of tax” Mind boggling concept | |||
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"So it's now the uk's fault that the EU is going to set up a similar system. Let me try once more to explain why it's being done. Company A imports into the UK, their product is £100 plus 20 quid vat, customer happy, seller happy HMRC happy. Company B imports into the uk £100 , doesnt register for vat, customer happy company happy, hmrc very unhappy, less money for the nhs, uk competitor cant compete goes bust, jobs lost in the uk. Company C imports the 100 quid item but sells it for 115 claiming it to be cheaper than A's including vat, company pockets the alleged vat by issuing false vat receipt, company very happy customer happy as he thinks he has saved 5 quid, hmrc and uk competitors unhappy for the previous reasons. Yet still we have people blaming the uk for collecting tax and creating a level playing field for uk firms, still as long as its not the tory elite on the fiddle its all ok. Couple of problems bud, how does company B import with no vat if there not vat registered, if they dont have a vat number the exporter would charge vat. Dont understand company c but think your saying foreign company needs to issue a false invoice , how can they do this if everyone else is paying the 100 they would be leaving themselves open to fraud and other charges.
well typed bet he ain Eori reg either
I dont need to be eori reg as I dont import/export, but I have been doing vat returns for 40 years and tax returns for 38, I've never had problems with either HMRC or customs&excise, I know the rules well unlike a few others that dont seem to grasp the difference between uk vat allocated on imports and country of origin charged vat to goods purchased there.
Makes no odds to me, but the theme was the new rules would put of traders, my view is it stops tax fraud which undercuts honest importers and uk based businesses
Hi Robka
Little dig noticed and I refer to my previous post of asking as I didn’t claim to know on the imports from China. With you knowing the rules well along with your wide and varied knowledge of 40 years, please feel free to educate me on the process of vat recovery in the 17 European countries we trade with as my accountants dept are all ears and your advice would be very welcome.
You can also advise on how to split the vat on logistics ?
Should we go thirds with truck, ship, truck or perhaps kilometre based but then maybe we should do a deal with HMRC as like every other business ours is unique and we don’t adhere to common practice or use all VAT procedures.
You want a level playing field so would like to help us get us our vat back as a U.K. registered company I’m sure.
You are the same as us, in that you have your corridor of knowledge related to your business but are now claiming to be a wise sage in the VAT handling business and how it will affect the U.K. economy. I certainly haven’t claimed superior VAT knowledge.
Btw I bow to your up to date knowledge on solely U.K. vat returns. I haven’t done a vat return for over thirty years when they were done by hand on paper as I have people in the business who do that .
Think it’s electronic these days
Anyway back to my point.
You make it sound like little Bo peep U.K. small business is being attached by a wolf! With the level playing field comment.
In the year 2017-18 there were over 40k cases of tax fraud by U.K. business recorded in this country. That’s the ones known of. The ones unknown could be double or maybe half who knows.
This bit is quoted from a tax lawyer so definitely not my knowledge.
“The failure by HMRC to bring criminal prosecutions for tax fraud in order to set an example to would-be tax cheats who thereby feel emboldened to cheat
Breaking matters down further, investigations have concluded that:
£13.7bn is estimated to come from small business..
£7bn is estimated to come from large business
£5.4bn is estimated to come from criminals
£3.9bn is estimated to come from medium businesses
£3.4bn is estimated to come from individuals”
So those small businesses cowering in the corner seem to be doing just fine with their own avoidance.
The VAT changes “in my opinion” will only mean costs and more admin across the board making the U.K. a less attractive place to do business for Europeans at least. .
Let's not worry about the fraud, we can just tax the rich people more
Another genius who thinks charging uk customers to allow foreign businesses to trade with us is a good idea."Now your just putting words in my mouth, spit spit | |||
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"So it's now the uk's fault that the EU is going to set up a similar system. Let me try once more to explain why it's being done. Company A imports into the UK, their product is £100 plus 20 quid vat, customer happy, seller happy HMRC happy. Company B imports into the uk £100 , doesnt register for vat, customer happy company happy, hmrc very unhappy, less money for the nhs, uk competitor cant compete goes bust, jobs lost in the uk. Company C imports the 100 quid item but sells it for 115 claiming it to be cheaper than A's including vat, company pockets the alleged vat by issuing false vat receipt, company very happy customer happy as he thinks he has saved 5 quid, hmrc and uk competitors unhappy for the previous reasons. Yet still we have people blaming the uk for collecting tax and creating a level playing field for uk firms, still as long as its not the tory elite on the fiddle its all ok. Couple of problems bud, how does company B import with no vat if there not vat registered, if they dont have a vat number the exporter would charge vat. Dont understand company c but think your saying foreign company needs to issue a false invoice , how can they do this if everyone else is paying the 100 they would be leaving themselves open to fraud and other charges.
well typed bet he ain Eori reg either
I dont need to be eori reg as I dont import/export, but I have been doing vat returns for 40 years and tax returns for 38, I've never had problems with either HMRC or customs&excise, I know the rules well unlike a few others that dont seem to grasp the difference between uk vat allocated on imports and country of origin charged vat to goods purchased there.
Makes no odds to me, but the theme was the new rules would put of traders, my view is it stops tax fraud which undercuts honest importers and uk based businesses
Hi Robka
Little dig noticed and I refer to my previous post of asking as I didn’t claim to know on the imports from China. With you knowing the rules well along with your wide and varied knowledge of 40 years, please feel free to educate me on the process of vat recovery in the 17 European countries we trade with as my accountants dept are all ears and your advice would be very welcome.
You can also advise on how to split the vat on logistics ?
Should we go thirds with truck, ship, truck or perhaps kilometre based but then maybe we should do a deal with HMRC as like every other business ours is unique and we don’t adhere to common practice or use all VAT procedures.
You want a level playing field so would like to help us get us our vat back as a U.K. registered company I’m sure.
You are the same as us, in that you have your corridor of knowledge related to your business but are now claiming to be a wise sage in the VAT handling business and how it will affect the U.K. economy. I certainly haven’t claimed superior VAT knowledge.
Btw I bow to your up to date knowledge on solely U.K. vat returns. I haven’t done a vat return for over thirty years when they were done by hand on paper as I have people in the business who do that .
Think it’s electronic these days
Anyway back to my point.
You make it sound like little Bo peep U.K. small business is being attached by a wolf! With the level playing field comment.
In the year 2017-18 there were over 40k cases of tax fraud by U.K. business recorded in this country. That’s the ones known of. The ones unknown could be double or maybe half who knows.
This bit is quoted from a tax lawyer so definitely not my knowledge.
“The failure by HMRC to bring criminal prosecutions for tax fraud in order to set an example to would-be tax cheats who thereby feel emboldened to cheat
Breaking matters down further, investigations have concluded that:
£13.7bn is estimated to come from small business..
£7bn is estimated to come from large business
£5.4bn is estimated to come from criminals
£3.9bn is estimated to come from medium businesses
£3.4bn is estimated to come from individuals”
So those small businesses cowering in the corner seem to be doing just fine with their own avoidance.
The VAT changes “in my opinion” will only mean costs and more admin across the board making the U.K. a less attractive place to do business for Europeans at least. .
Let's not worry about the fraud, we can just tax the rich people more
Another genius who thinks charging uk customers to allow foreign businesses to trade with us is a good idea.
“More” as in “pay the right amount of tax”
Mind boggling concept "Sorry chris have to correct u again its MORE., here's a couple of sentences from the article will save u the bother of reading it all. Some EU specialist online retailers have said they will no longer deliver to the UK because of tax changes which came into force on 1 January. Bicycle part firm Dutch Bike Bits said from now on, it would ship to every country in the world except the UK. "We are forced by British policy to stop dealing with British customers," it said on its website. Another firm, Belgium-based Beer On Web, said it was now shunning the UK "due to the new Brexit measures". The companies are angry because they now face higher costs and increased bureaucracy in order to comply with UK tax authorities. | |||
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"So it's now the uk's fault that the EU is going to set up a similar system. Let me try once more to explain why it's being done. Company A imports into the UK, their product is £100 plus 20 quid vat, customer happy, seller happy HMRC happy. Company B imports into the uk £100 , doesnt register for vat, customer happy company happy, hmrc very unhappy, less money for the nhs, uk competitor cant compete goes bust, jobs lost in the uk. Company C imports the 100 quid item but sells it for 115 claiming it to be cheaper than A's including vat, company pockets the alleged vat by issuing false vat receipt, company very happy customer happy as he thinks he has saved 5 quid, hmrc and uk competitors unhappy for the previous reasons. Yet still we have people blaming the uk for collecting tax and creating a level playing field for uk firms, still as long as its not the tory elite on the fiddle its all ok. Couple of problems bud, how does company B import with no vat if there not vat registered, if they dont have a vat number the exporter would charge vat. Dont understand company c but think your saying foreign company needs to issue a false invoice , how can they do this if everyone else is paying the 100 they would be leaving themselves open to fraud and other charges.
well typed bet he ain Eori reg either
I dont need to be eori reg as I dont import/export, but I have been doing vat returns for 40 years and tax returns for 38, I've never had problems with either HMRC or customs&excise, I know the rules well unlike a few others that dont seem to grasp the difference between uk vat allocated on imports and country of origin charged vat to goods purchased there.
Makes no odds to me, but the theme was the new rules would put of traders, my view is it stops tax fraud which undercuts honest importers and uk based businesses
Hi Robka
Little dig noticed and I refer to my previous post of asking as I didn’t claim to know on the imports from China. With you knowing the rules well along with your wide and varied knowledge of 40 years, please feel free to educate me on the process of vat recovery in the 17 European countries we trade with as my accountants dept are all ears and your advice would be very welcome.
You can also advise on how to split the vat on logistics ?
Should we go thirds with truck, ship, truck or perhaps kilometre based but then maybe we should do a deal with HMRC as like every other business ours is unique and we don’t adhere to common practice or use all VAT procedures.
You want a level playing field so would like to help us get us our vat back as a U.K. registered company I’m sure.
You are the same as us, in that you have your corridor of knowledge related to your business but are now claiming to be a wise sage in the VAT handling business and how it will affect the U.K. economy. I certainly haven’t claimed superior VAT knowledge.
Btw I bow to your up to date knowledge on solely U.K. vat returns. I haven’t done a vat return for over thirty years when they were done by hand on paper as I have people in the business who do that .
Think it’s electronic these days
Anyway back to my point.
You make it sound like little Bo peep U.K. small business is being attached by a wolf! With the level playing field comment.
In the year 2017-18 there were over 40k cases of tax fraud by U.K. business recorded in this country. That’s the ones known of. The ones unknown could be double or maybe half who knows.
This bit is quoted from a tax lawyer so definitely not my knowledge.
“The failure by HMRC to bring criminal prosecutions for tax fraud in order to set an example to would-be tax cheats who thereby feel emboldened to cheat
Breaking matters down further, investigations have concluded that:
£13.7bn is estimated to come from small business..
£7bn is estimated to come from large business
£5.4bn is estimated to come from criminals
£3.9bn is estimated to come from medium businesses
£3.4bn is estimated to come from individuals”
So those small businesses cowering in the corner seem to be doing just fine with their own avoidance.
The VAT changes “in my opinion” will only mean costs and more admin across the board making the U.K. a less attractive place to do business for Europeans at least. .
Let's not worry about the fraud, we can just tax the rich people more
Another genius who thinks charging uk customers to allow foreign businesses to trade with us is a good idea.
Now your just putting words in my mouth, spit spit "Please reference article below wet | |||
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"So it's now the uk's fault that the EU is going to set up a similar system. Let me try once more to explain why it's being done. Company A imports into the UK, their product is £100 plus 20 quid vat, customer happy, seller happy HMRC happy. Company B imports into the uk £100 , doesnt register for vat, customer happy company happy, hmrc very unhappy, less money for the nhs, uk competitor cant compete goes bust, jobs lost in the uk. Company C imports the 100 quid item but sells it for 115 claiming it to be cheaper than A's including vat, company pockets the alleged vat by issuing false vat receipt, company very happy customer happy as he thinks he has saved 5 quid, hmrc and uk competitors unhappy for the previous reasons. Yet still we have people blaming the uk for collecting tax and creating a level playing field for uk firms, still as long as its not the tory elite on the fiddle its all ok. Couple of problems bud, how does company B import with no vat if there not vat registered, if they dont have a vat number the exporter would charge vat. Dont understand company c but think your saying foreign company needs to issue a false invoice , how can they do this if everyone else is paying the 100 they would be leaving themselves open to fraud and other charges.
well typed bet he ain Eori reg either
I dont need to be eori reg as I dont import/export, but I have been doing vat returns for 40 years and tax returns for 38, I've never had problems with either HMRC or customs&excise, I know the rules well unlike a few others that dont seem to grasp the difference between uk vat allocated on imports and country of origin charged vat to goods purchased there.
Makes no odds to me, but the theme was the new rules would put of traders, my view is it stops tax fraud which undercuts honest importers and uk based businesses
Hi Robka
Little dig noticed and I refer to my previous post of asking as I didn’t claim to know on the imports from China. With you knowing the rules well along with your wide and varied knowledge of 40 years, please feel free to educate me on the process of vat recovery in the 17 European countries we trade with as my accountants dept are all ears and your advice would be very welcome.
You can also advise on how to split the vat on logistics ?
Should we go thirds with truck, ship, truck or perhaps kilometre based but then maybe we should do a deal with HMRC as like every other business ours is unique and we don’t adhere to common practice or use all VAT procedures.
You want a level playing field so would like to help us get us our vat back as a U.K. registered company I’m sure.
You are the same as us, in that you have your corridor of knowledge related to your business but are now claiming to be a wise sage in the VAT handling business and how it will affect the U.K. economy. I certainly haven’t claimed superior VAT knowledge.
Btw I bow to your up to date knowledge on solely U.K. vat returns. I haven’t done a vat return for over thirty years when they were done by hand on paper as I have people in the business who do that .
Think it’s electronic these days
Anyway back to my point.
You make it sound like little Bo peep U.K. small business is being attached by a wolf! With the level playing field comment.
In the year 2017-18 there were over 40k cases of tax fraud by U.K. business recorded in this country. That’s the ones known of. The ones unknown could be double or maybe half who knows.
This bit is quoted from a tax lawyer so definitely not my knowledge.
“The failure by HMRC to bring criminal prosecutions for tax fraud in order to set an example to would-be tax cheats who thereby feel emboldened to cheat
Breaking matters down further, investigations have concluded that:
£13.7bn is estimated to come from small business..
£7bn is estimated to come from large business
£5.4bn is estimated to come from criminals
£3.9bn is estimated to come from medium businesses
£3.4bn is estimated to come from individuals”
So those small businesses cowering in the corner seem to be doing just fine with their own avoidance.
The VAT changes “in my opinion” will only mean costs and more admin across the board making the U.K. a less attractive place to do business for Europeans at least. .
Let's not worry about the fraud, we can just tax the rich people more
Another genius who thinks charging uk customers to allow foreign businesses to trade with us is a good idea.
“More” as in “pay the right amount of tax”
Mind boggling concept
Sorry chris have to correct u again its MORE., here's a couple of sentences from the article will save u the bother of reading it all.
Some EU specialist online retailers have said they will no longer deliver to the UK because of tax changes which came into force on 1 January.
Bicycle part firm Dutch Bike Bits said from now on, it would ship to every country in the world except the UK.
"We are forced by British policy to stop dealing with British customers," it said on its website.
Another firm, Belgium-based Beer On Web, said it was now shunning the UK "due to the new Brexit measures".
The companies are angry because they now face higher costs and increased bureaucracy in order to comply with UK tax authorities."How much does it cost to register an EU company with HMRC? | |||
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"So it's now the uk's fault that the EU is going to set up a similar system. Let me try once more to explain why it's being done. Company A imports into the UK, their product is £100 plus 20 quid vat, customer happy, seller happy HMRC happy. Company B imports into the uk £100 , doesnt register for vat, customer happy company happy, hmrc very unhappy, less money for the nhs, uk competitor cant compete goes bust, jobs lost in the uk. Company C imports the 100 quid item but sells it for 115 claiming it to be cheaper than A's including vat, company pockets the alleged vat by issuing false vat receipt, company very happy customer happy as he thinks he has saved 5 quid, hmrc and uk competitors unhappy for the previous reasons. Yet still we have people blaming the uk for collecting tax and creating a level playing field for uk firms, still as long as its not the tory elite on the fiddle its all ok. Couple of problems bud, how does company B import with no vat if there not vat registered, if they dont have a vat number the exporter would charge vat. Dont understand company c but think your saying foreign company needs to issue a false invoice , how can they do this if everyone else is paying the 100 they would be leaving themselves open to fraud and other charges.
well typed bet he ain Eori reg either
I dont need to be eori reg as I dont import/export, but I have been doing vat returns for 40 years and tax returns for 38, I've never had problems with either HMRC or customs&excise, I know the rules well unlike a few others that dont seem to grasp the difference between uk vat allocated on imports and country of origin charged vat to goods purchased there.
Makes no odds to me, but the theme was the new rules would put of traders, my view is it stops tax fraud which undercuts honest importers and uk based businesses
Hi Robka
Little dig noticed and I refer to my previous post of asking as I didn’t claim to know on the imports from China. With you knowing the rules well along with your wide and varied knowledge of 40 years, please feel free to educate me on the process of vat recovery in the 17 European countries we trade with as my accountants dept are all ears and your advice would be very welcome.
You can also advise on how to split the vat on logistics ?
Should we go thirds with truck, ship, truck or perhaps kilometre based but then maybe we should do a deal with HMRC as like every other business ours is unique and we don’t adhere to common practice or use all VAT procedures.
You want a level playing field so would like to help us get us our vat back as a U.K. registered company I’m sure.
You are the same as us, in that you have your corridor of knowledge related to your business but are now claiming to be a wise sage in the VAT handling business and how it will affect the U.K. economy. I certainly haven’t claimed superior VAT knowledge.
Btw I bow to your up to date knowledge on solely U.K. vat returns. I haven’t done a vat return for over thirty years when they were done by hand on paper as I have people in the business who do that .
Think it’s electronic these days
Anyway back to my point.
You make it sound like little Bo peep U.K. small business is being attached by a wolf! With the level playing field comment.
In the year 2017-18 there were over 40k cases of tax fraud by U.K. business recorded in this country. That’s the ones known of. The ones unknown could be double or maybe half who knows.
This bit is quoted from a tax lawyer so definitely not my knowledge.
“The failure by HMRC to bring criminal prosecutions for tax fraud in order to set an example to would-be tax cheats who thereby feel emboldened to cheat
Breaking matters down further, investigations have concluded that:
£13.7bn is estimated to come from small business..
£7bn is estimated to come from large business
£5.4bn is estimated to come from criminals
£3.9bn is estimated to come from medium businesses
£3.4bn is estimated to come from individuals”
So those small businesses cowering in the corner seem to be doing just fine with their own avoidance.
The VAT changes “in my opinion” will only mean costs and more admin across the board making the U.K. a less attractive place to do business for Europeans at least. .
Let's not worry about the fraud, we can just tax the rich people more
Another genius who thinks charging uk customers to allow foreign businesses to trade with us is a good idea.
“More” as in “pay the right amount of tax”
Mind boggling concept
Sorry chris have to correct u again its MORE., here's a couple of sentences from the article will save u the bother of reading it all.
Some EU specialist online retailers have said they will no longer deliver to the UK because of tax changes which came into force on 1 January.
Bicycle part firm Dutch Bike Bits said from now on, it would ship to every country in the world except the UK.
"We are forced by British policy to stop dealing with British customers," it said on its website.
Another firm, Belgium-based Beer On Web, said it was now shunning the UK "due to the new Brexit measures".
The companies are angry because they now face higher costs and increased bureaucracy in order to comply with UK tax authorities.
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"Fish exports having issue now in Scotland but sod that its only their lively hoods. More importantly its now getting very serious !! Percy pigs are looking to fall fowl of origin rules and be taxed to death !! I will write to my MP about this!! oh no I won’t, she voted against feeding the kids and will think it’s for them!! Fuck it !! I’m going into smuggling!! " Should not be difficult I hear there are no checks from northern Ireland into the mainland  | |||
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" Btw I bow to your up to date knowledge on solely U.K. vat returns. I haven’t done a vat return for over thirty years when they were done by hand on paper as I have people in the business who do that .
Think it’s electronic these days
Anyway back to my point.
You make it sound like little Bo peep U.K. small business is being attached by a wolf! With the level playing field comment.
In the year 2017-18 there were over 40k cases of tax fraud by U.K. business recorded in this country. That’s the ones known of. The ones unknown could be double or maybe half who knows.
This bit is quoted from a tax lawyer so definitely not my knowledge.
“The failure by HMRC to bring criminal prosecutions for tax fraud in order to set an example to would-be tax cheats who thereby feel emboldened to cheat
Breaking matters down further, investigations have concluded that:
£13.7bn is estimated to come from small business..
£7bn is estimated to come from large business
£5.4bn is estimated to come from criminals
£3.9bn is estimated to come from medium businesses
£3.4bn is estimated to come from individuals”
So those small businesses cowering in the corner seem to be doing just fine with their own avoidance.
The VAT changes “in my opinion” will only mean costs and more admin across the board making the U.K. a less attractive place to do business for Europeans at least. .
Let's not worry about the fraud, we can just tax the rich people more
Another genius who thinks charging uk customers to allow foreign businesses to trade with us is a good idea.
“More” as in “pay the right amount of tax”
Mind boggling concept
Sorry chris have to correct u again its MORE., here's a couple of sentences from the article will save u the bother of reading it all.
Some EU specialist online retailers have said they will no longer deliver to the UK because of tax changes which came into force on 1 January.
Bicycle part firm Dutch Bike Bits said from now on, it would ship to every country in the world except the UK.
"We are forced by British policy to stop dealing with British customers," it said on its website.
Another firm, Belgium-based Beer On Web, said it was now shunning the UK "due to the new Brexit measures".
The companies are angry because they now face higher costs and increased bureaucracy in order to comply with UK tax authorities."Lol so "bike bits" will ship to North Korea, Sierra Leone, Zimbabwe, but they won't ship here???? Do you ever read stuff back to yourself before you post it and think... Hmm mm.... Does that sound likely? You don't for example think bike bits are trying to make a political point? | |||
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"Fish exports having issue now in Scotland but sod that its only their lively hoods. More importantly its now getting very serious !! Percy pigs are looking to fall fowl of origin rules and be taxed to death !! I will write to my MP about this!! oh no I won’t, she voted against feeding the kids and will think it’s for them!! Fuck it !! I’m going into smuggling!! Should not be difficult I hear there are no checks from northern Ireland into the mainland "Phew ... thanks Judging by the shambles on processes at these inland clearance centres I suspect you can probably get a truck load in via Dover as the poor customs staff are a little busy . Some of the references issued are expiring before the drivers get there . Why would they expire numbers so quickly god only knows but it’s true. Btw I’m not blaming the poor staff at these centres they are being incredibly helpful. The convoluted system is not helping them. I’m lead to believe this is all temporary. Ooooh goody what fun ideas do we have to play with next?? | |||
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" Btw I bow to your up to date knowledge on solely U.K. vat returns. I haven’t done a vat return for over thirty years when they were done by hand on paper as I have people in the business who do that .
Think it’s electronic these days
Anyway back to my point.
You make it sound like little Bo peep U.K. small business is being attached by a wolf! With the level playing field comment.
In the year 2017-18 there were over 40k cases of tax fraud by U.K. business recorded in this country. That’s the ones known of. The ones unknown could be double or maybe half who knows.
This bit is quoted from a tax lawyer so definitely not my knowledge.
“The failure by HMRC to bring criminal prosecutions for tax fraud in order to set an example to would-be tax cheats who thereby feel emboldened to cheat
Breaking matters down further, investigations have concluded that:
£13.7bn is estimated to come from small business..
£7bn is estimated to come from large business
£5.4bn is estimated to come from criminals
£3.9bn is estimated to come from medium businesses
£3.4bn is estimated to come from individuals”
So those small businesses cowering in the corner seem to be doing just fine with their own avoidance.
The VAT changes “in my opinion” will only mean costs and more admin across the board making the U.K. a less attractive place to do business for Europeans at least. .
Let's not worry about the fraud, we can just tax the rich people more
Another genius who thinks charging uk customers to allow foreign businesses to trade with us is a good idea.
“More” as in “pay the right amount of tax”
Mind boggling concept
Sorry chris have to correct u again its MORE., here's a couple of sentences from the article will save u the bother of reading it all.
Some EU specialist online retailers have said they will no longer deliver to the UK because of tax changes which came into force on 1 January.
Bicycle part firm Dutch Bike Bits said from now on, it would ship to every country in the world except the UK.
"We are forced by British policy to stop dealing with British customers," it said on its website.
Another firm, Belgium-based Beer On Web, said it was now shunning the UK "due to the new Brexit measures".
The companies are angry because they now face higher costs and increased bureaucracy in order to comply with UK tax authorities.
Lol so "bike bits" will ship to North Korea, Sierra Leone, Zimbabwe, but they won't ship here????
Do you ever read stuff back to yourself before you post it and think... Hmm mm.... Does that sound likely?
You don't for example think bike bits are trying to make a political point? "“ We ship worldwide. Initial prices include European sales tax (VAT / BTW) at 21%. If you live outside the EU this is automatically deducted and correct postage is calculated once the website knows your location.” “ Originally British, we were attracted to the Netherlands by the conditions for cycling. Here we've been able to build on our passion for cycling.” “ We do not seek to make profit on shipping. The price calculated by the website is that which we calculate will be charged plus a percentage to cover costs (tax and paypal). For very low value orders the shipping cost includes some allowance for time and costs to pack your order.” “ Britain in 2021 Unfortunately, we will not be able to send parcels to the UK from mid December 2020 onward. Quite apart from uncertainty due to Brexit surrounding the shipping cost, taxation etc. after that time, there is also a problem caused by the British government deciding to impose a unique taxation regime which will require every company in the world in every country in the world outside the UK which exports to the UK to apply and collect British taxes on behalf of the British government. For providing this service they intend to charge a fee to every company in the world in every country in the world which exports to the UK. Clearly this is ludicrous for one country, but imagine if every country in the world had the same idea. If every country decided to behave in the same way then we would have to pay 195 fees every year, keep up with the changes in taxation law for 195 different countries, keep accounts on behalf of 195 different countries and submit payments to 195 tax offices in 195 different countries, and jump through whatever hoops were required to prove that we were doing all of this honestly and without any error. Therefore from mid December 2020 onward we ship to every country in the world... except the UK. We have many customers within the UK and would like to be able to trade with them. Not being able to send parcels to the UK does not work in any way in our favour and it is not what we wanted. We are forced by British policy to stop dealing with British customers. If you're angry about this, and you may well be so, please contact your elected representative in the UK.“ Pissed off left wing brits selling bike buts worldwide except britain 
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" Btw I bow to your up to date knowledge on solely U.K. vat returns. I haven’t done a vat return for over thirty years when they were done by hand on paper as I have people in the business who do that .
Think it’s electronic these days
Anyway back to my point.
You make it sound like little Bo peep U.K. small business is being attached by a wolf! With the level playing field comment.
In the year 2017-18 there were over 40k cases of tax fraud by U.K. business recorded in this country. That’s the ones known of. The ones unknown could be double or maybe half who knows.
This bit is quoted from a tax lawyer so definitely not my knowledge.
“The failure by HMRC to bring criminal prosecutions for tax fraud in order to set an example to would-be tax cheats who thereby feel emboldened to cheat
Breaking matters down further, investigations have concluded that:
£13.7bn is estimated to come from small business..
£7bn is estimated to come from large business
£5.4bn is estimated to come from criminals
£3.9bn is estimated to come from medium businesses
£3.4bn is estimated to come from individuals”
So those small businesses cowering in the corner seem to be doing just fine with their own avoidance.
The VAT changes “in my opinion” will only mean costs and more admin across the board making the U.K. a less attractive place to do business for Europeans at least. .
Let's not worry about the fraud, we can just tax the rich people more
Another genius who thinks charging uk customers to allow foreign businesses to trade with us is a good idea.
“More” as in “pay the right amount of tax”
Mind boggling concept
Sorry chris have to correct u again its MORE., here's a couple of sentences from the article will save u the bother of reading it all.
Some EU specialist online retailers have said they will no longer deliver to the UK because of tax changes which came into force on 1 January.
Bicycle part firm Dutch Bike Bits said from now on, it would ship to every country in the world except the UK.
"We are forced by British policy to stop dealing with British customers," it said on its website.
Another firm, Belgium-based Beer On Web, said it was now shunning the UK "due to the new Brexit measures".
The companies are angry because they now face higher costs and increased bureaucracy in order to comply with UK tax authorities.
Lol so "bike bits" will ship to North Korea, Sierra Leone, Zimbabwe, but they won't ship here????
Do you ever read stuff back to yourself before you post it and think... Hmm mm.... Does that sound likely?
You don't for example think bike bits are trying to make a political point?
“ We ship worldwide.
Initial prices include European sales tax (VAT / BTW) at 21%. If you live outside the EU this is automatically deducted and correct postage is calculated once the website knows your location.”
“ Originally British, we were attracted to the Netherlands by the conditions for cycling. Here we've been able to build on our passion for cycling.”
“ We do not seek to make profit on shipping. The price calculated by the website is that which we calculate will be charged plus a percentage to cover costs (tax and paypal). For very low value orders the shipping cost includes some allowance for time and costs to pack your order.”
“ Britain in 2021
Unfortunately, we will not be able to send parcels to the UK from mid December 2020 onward. Quite apart from uncertainty due to Brexit surrounding the shipping cost, taxation etc. after that time, there is also a problem caused by the British government deciding to impose a unique taxation regime which will require every company in the world in every country in the world outside the UK which exports to the UK to apply and collect British taxes on behalf of the British government. For providing this service they intend to charge a fee to every company in the world in every country in the world which exports to the UK. Clearly this is ludicrous for one country, but imagine if every country in the world had the same idea. If every country decided to behave in the same way then we would have to pay 195 fees every year, keep up with the changes in taxation law for 195 different countries, keep accounts on behalf of 195 different countries and submit payments to 195 tax offices in 195 different countries, and jump through whatever hoops were required to prove that we were doing all of this honestly and without any error.
Therefore from mid December 2020 onward we ship to every country in the world... except the UK.
We have many customers within the UK and would like to be able to trade with them. Not being able to send parcels to the UK does not work in any way in our favour and it is not what we wanted. We are forced by British policy to stop dealing with British customers. If you're angry about this, and you may well be so, please contact your elected representative in the UK.“
Pissed off left wing brits selling bike buts worldwide except britain
"So you're taking that at face value. North Korea yes? For a start we can't be lumped in with other countries, we created the Empire and the Commonwealth, G5 etc And if bike bits really want to have a moan they should moan at the UN. Nothing to do with Brexit. | |||
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" Btw I bow to your up to date knowledge on solely U.K. vat returns. I haven’t done a vat return for over thirty years when they were done by hand on paper as I have people in the business who do that .
Think it’s electronic these days
Anyway back to my point.
You make it sound like little Bo peep U.K. small business is being attached by a wolf! With the level playing field comment.
In the year 2017-18 there were over 40k cases of tax fraud by U.K. business recorded in this country. That’s the ones known of. The ones unknown could be double or maybe half who knows.
This bit is quoted from a tax lawyer so definitely not my knowledge.
“The failure by HMRC to bring criminal prosecutions for tax fraud in order to set an example to would-be tax cheats who thereby feel emboldened to cheat
Breaking matters down further, investigations have concluded that:
£13.7bn is estimated to come from small business..
£7bn is estimated to come from large business
£5.4bn is estimated to come from criminals
£3.9bn is estimated to come from medium businesses
£3.4bn is estimated to come from individuals”
So those small businesses cowering in the corner seem to be doing just fine with their own avoidance.
The VAT changes “in my opinion” will only mean costs and more admin across the board making the U.K. a less attractive place to do business for Europeans at least. .
Let's not worry about the fraud, we can just tax the rich people more
Another genius who thinks charging uk customers to allow foreign businesses to trade with us is a good idea.
“More” as in “pay the right amount of tax”
Mind boggling concept
Sorry chris have to correct u again its MORE., here's a couple of sentences from the article will save u the bother of reading it all.
Some EU specialist online retailers have said they will no longer deliver to the UK because of tax changes which came into force on 1 January.
Bicycle part firm Dutch Bike Bits said from now on, it would ship to every country in the world except the UK.
"We are forced by British policy to stop dealing with British customers," it said on its website.
Another firm, Belgium-based Beer On Web, said it was now shunning the UK "due to the new Brexit measures".
The companies are angry because they now face higher costs and increased bureaucracy in order to comply with UK tax authorities.
Lol so "bike bits" will ship to North Korea, Sierra Leone, Zimbabwe, but they won't ship here????
Do you ever read stuff back to yourself before you post it and think... Hmm mm.... Does that sound likely?
You don't for example think bike bits are trying to make a political point?
“ We ship worldwide.
Initial prices include European sales tax (VAT / BTW) at 21%. If you live outside the EU this is automatically deducted and correct postage is calculated once the website knows your location.”
“ Originally British, we were attracted to the Netherlands by the conditions for cycling. Here we've been able to build on our passion for cycling.”
“ We do not seek to make profit on shipping. The price calculated by the website is that which we calculate will be charged plus a percentage to cover costs (tax and paypal). For very low value orders the shipping cost includes some allowance for time and costs to pack your order.”
“ Britain in 2021
Unfortunately, we will not be able to send parcels to the UK from mid December 2020 onward. Quite apart from uncertainty due to Brexit surrounding the shipping cost, taxation etc. after that time, there is also a problem caused by the British government deciding to impose a unique taxation regime which will require every company in the world in every country in the world outside the UK which exports to the UK to apply and collect British taxes on behalf of the British government. For providing this service they intend to charge a fee to every company in the world in every country in the world which exports to the UK. Clearly this is ludicrous for one country, but imagine if every country in the world had the same idea. If every country decided to behave in the same way then we would have to pay 195 fees every year, keep up with the changes in taxation law for 195 different countries, keep accounts on behalf of 195 different countries and submit payments to 195 tax offices in 195 different countries, and jump through whatever hoops were required to prove that we were doing all of this honestly and without any error.
Therefore from mid December 2020 onward we ship to every country in the world... except the UK.
We have many customers within the UK and would like to be able to trade with them. Not being able to send parcels to the UK does not work in any way in our favour and it is not what we wanted. We are forced by British policy to stop dealing with British customers. If you're angry about this, and you may well be so, please contact your elected representative in the UK.“
Pissed off left wing brits selling bike buts worldwide except britain
So you're taking that at face value. North Korea yes?
For a start we can't be lumped in with other countries, we created the Empire and the Commonwealth, G5 etc
And if bike bits really want to have a moan they should moan at the UN. Nothing to do with Brexit. "Why do you keep mentioning the Empire and Commonwealth? Do you think it's the 1920s? | |||
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"Now M&S Percy Pig sweets impacted by Brexit red tape.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55583244 " Only if percy is exported back to europe... There's no issue for the UK when percy arrives here from the german manufacturer. there's an obvious solution for their european markets, so i'm not sure why M&S are making a thing of it | |||
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"Now M&S Percy Pig sweets impacted by Brexit red tape.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55583244 Only if percy is exported back to europe... There's no issue for the UK when percy arrives here from the german manufacturer. there's an obvious solution for their european markets, so i'm not sure why M&S are making a thing of it" Maybe because it involves additional costs in changing their supply chain logistics... Though I’m sure you will be keen to contribute to their additional costs..... | |||
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"Now M&S Percy Pig sweets impacted by Brexit red tape.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55583244 Only if percy is exported back to europe... There's no issue for the UK when percy arrives here from the german manufacturer. there's an obvious solution for their european markets, so i'm not sure why M&S are making a thing of it Maybe because it involves additional costs in changing their supply chain logistics... Though I’m sure you will be keen to contribute to their additional costs....." Nope... nothing to do with logistics costs. Rules of origin - costs the same as it always has when it arrives from Germany to UK - however when M&S export it back to their European market thats when its not classed as an Eu manufactured product *(although it technically is!) - so the Percy has duty slapped on it by the europeans when it goes back in to where it originally came from. I can honestly say Ive never tried M&S Percy pig so not sure what all the fuss is about
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"I'm thinking there may be a connection between percy pig and the brexit pig." as with so many things just in your mind | |||
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"I'm thinking there may be a connection between percy pig and the brexit pig." I suppose Farage represents Snowball the Pig. He was instrumental in the revolution in Animal Farm and was then chased away. | |||
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