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"if people wana spend there cash on private education well its there money to spend.get rid of them in this country they would just pay to send them private outside of the uk.as for private schools getting the best teachers of course they have.if you can earn loads more why wouldnt you.i cant afford private education for my children. but would pay for it if i was wealthy enough.thnk most people would give there kid a head start if they could" nar not me bud | |||
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"Ok, lets remove charitable status then. But how do we spread the opportunities for people outside of the Chumocracy?" Well seeing as they seem to torcher kids with test every few years how about using that as a part of it, but we should reevaluate the whole education system & make it relevant to our future needs & those of our children. & as for chumocracy that’s not just about education, I know I can trust 5 of my chums can Boris? X | |||
"I always think there’s something missing in ppl who send there kids away to boarding schools " not all attendees of public schools board. most are day students | |||
"If people want to send their kids to private school that's fine by me. More taxpayer cash to fund the rest " I agree and also we are in the middle of a pandemic this is not the time to discuss matters of this nature | |||
"If people want to send their kids to private school that's fine by me. More taxpayer cash to fund the rest I agree and also we are in the middle of a pandemic this is not the time to discuss matters of this nature" and yet here you appear to be, seemingly discussing this matter in the midst of a pandemic | |||
"If people want to send their kids to private school that's fine by me. More taxpayer cash to fund the rest I agree and also we are in the middle of a pandemic this is not the time to discuss matters of this nature" Why not does life stop because of the pandemic? No offence but if you want to talk about that go to the virus threads. X | |||
"If people want to send their kids to private school that's fine by me. More taxpayer cash to fund the rest I agree and also we are in the middle of a pandemic this is not the time to discuss matters of this nature" & when is it the right time? We have abroken education system where the private sector got to inflate exam grades and the public sector did the opposite. If you think now is the time to double down on impacting the majority whilst letting the elite prosper. I think you’re views are incorrect. Our Govt have cocked up everything for years, now is more than the right time to be thinking about and doingbthe right thing. | |||
"if people wana spend there cash on private education well its there money to spend.get rid of them in this country they would just pay to send them private outside of the uk.as for private schools getting the best teachers of course they have.if you can earn loads more why wouldnt you.i cant afford private education for my children. but would pay for it if i was wealthy enough.thnk most people would give there kid a head start if they could"  | |||
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"If people want to send their kids to private school that's fine by me. More taxpayer cash to fund the rest I agree and also we are in the middle of a pandemic this is not the time to discuss matters of this nature and yet here you appear to be, seemingly discussing this matter in the midst of a pandemic" lol | |||
"If people want to send their kids to private school that's fine by me. More taxpayer cash to fund the rest I agree and also we are in the middle of a pandemic this is not the time to discuss matters of this nature and yet here you appear to be, seemingly discussing this matter in the midst of a pandemiclol "Why not let everyone start off equal, get the same education and then take lifes opportunities that are open to you? It would be nice to have real people getting the opportunity to run the country as opposed to the loons we get now... | |||
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"If you ask people if they want to live in a meritocracy, most will say yes. Yet most are also happy to have inequality written into the system from school age. It's odd. " I totally agree. It seems to be based on the ‘National Lottery’ notion that your child will do ok, when the odds are stacked against. Why not actually have a meritocracy? I have worked with many people who are only in position because of Daddy or his mates. The arrogance this engenders is just reinforced with each generation. This leads to a sense of entitlement and a belief that Adam on the Workshop only deserves £20k per year, whilst I as Managing Director deserve to be paid 100x his salary. I have no problem with people earning, I would just like to see the opportunities being shared out more equally. For me it has to start at school level. | |||
"Let me define the problem - people with money, or those willing to throw what money they have to ‘give their children a better life’ are propping up the ‘Eton knows best’ principle. As a consequence of this, we have a brain drain of teachers to the Private Sector and a Chumocracy where people who went to the same Prep School, then go to the same Boarding School & then on to the same University and then they work with their Chums from then on. Governments have tried to get more balance in Universities by pushing for a greater balance of public & private places, but little has changed. Eton still rules the roust. So why not close all Private Schools (inc Religeous) and build a meritocracy with children gaining a broader life experience. By removing boarding (except for a minority like Falklands and Govt Service), we then get people to genuinely see what it islike to have children, try to bring them up when you are working and what itbis like to cope with longer school terms! We might find Govt policy becomes more relevant to the many rather than the few. Provocative, probably. Had to do, inevitably. The wrongbthing to do, I can’t see why. It will take time, yes it will, but we need to change society for the better and it should start with children. Any thoughts? "If memory serves, about 7% of British kids go to private schools. The education system is under enough financial strain with out adding to it. I think removing their charity status and making the service VATable would help. One small point, you say they should learn how to cope with longer terms whilst having to work. I think total number of teaching days is about the same as state schools because they work Saturdays as well. And I would say with the cost of private education, except for the stupidly rich ones, the parents would have to work. | |||
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"My point is that the Education system would be funded properly if the children of MPs were affected. Sadly many are in the 7%. Lets take these funds and apply them to the 100%." Define what you mean by "take these funds". If you are referring to tax status, that is one thing but it won't go very far among state sponsored schools. If you are referring to what Marx referred to as a "redistribution of wealth", then I suspect you are sadly deluded. | |||
"Let me define the problem - people with money, or those willing to throw what money they have to ‘give their children a better life’ are propping up the ‘Eton knows best’ principle. As a consequence of this, we have a brain drain of teachers to the Private Sector and a Chumocracy where people who went to the same Prep School, then go to the same Boarding School & then on to the same University and then they work with their Chums from then on. Governments have tried to get more balance in Universities by pushing for a greater balance of public & private places, but little has changed. Eton still rules the roust. So why not close all Private Schools (inc Religeous) and build a meritocracy with children gaining a broader life experience. By removing boarding (except for a minority like Falklands and Govt Service), we then get people to genuinely see what it islike to have children, try to bring them up when you are working and what itbis like to cope with longer school terms! We might find Govt policy becomes more relevant to the many rather than the few. Provocative, probably. Had to do, inevitably. The wrongbthing to do, I can’t see why. It will take time, yes it will, but we need to change society for the better and it should start with children. Any thoughts? "Are you essentially telling the wealthy how they should spend thier money? Money will always buy the best of things. Education is no different. | |||
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Society is broken. For most people, all they can hope for is their childrens lifes are a little better than their own. Allowing people to use family money and connections to sustain and reinforce this is wrong. Jacob Rees Mogg would have been very different if he had gone to a local comp.
It is clear from the amount spent that people can afford to pay more tax. Why not increase tax for those earning over £75k? If they can spend at leadt £10,000 after tax on little Jacob, then adding another 5% on tax there and then another 5% at £125k would seem reasonable.
We all want the best for our kids, but Governmentshould be in place to allowthat to be achieved. They do not do this. It is time that we levelled the playing field (‘s of Eton)  | |||
"So approximately £200m per week is spent on Private Education, plus VAT and Charitable status, so no tax. This is getting on to be more than we actually paid the EU for membership!
Society is broken. For most people, all they can hope for is their childrens lifes are a little better than their own. Allowing people to use family money and connections to sustain and reinforce this is wrong. Jacob Rees Mogg would have been very different if he had gone to a local comp.
It is clear from the amount spent that people can afford to pay more tax. Why not increase tax for those earning over £75k? If they can spend at leadt £10,000 after tax on little Jacob, then adding another 5% on tax there and then another 5% at £125k would seem reasonable.
We all want the best for our kids, but Governmentshould be in place to allowthat to be achieved. They do not do this. It is time that we levelled the playing field (‘s of Eton) "The issue with raising tax at a set level is that £75k in one part of the country is not worth £75k in another. For example somebody in Cumbria earning that amount will be significantly better off than somebody in the South East earning the same amount due to costs of living. This is especially true within the M25. | |||
"Wouldn’t mind seeing Lionels take on this he has it in for Eton. Where’s he been the last couple of days anyone know? You would have to extend this way of thinking to the university’s in my industry it’s not so much about the school but the Uni. It would leave a huge financial hole as private schooling and top unis are very lucrative. " I was wondering that myself! Perhaps everyone's favourite Poundshop Marxist is having another enforced holiday! | |||
"So approximately £200m per week is spent on Private Education, plus VAT and Charitable status, so no tax. This is getting on to be more than we actually paid the EU for membership!
Society is broken. For most people, all they can hope for is their childrens lifes are a little better than their own. Allowing people to use family money and connections to sustain and reinforce this is wrong. Jacob Rees Mogg would have been very different if he had gone to a local comp.
It is clear from the amount spent that people can afford to pay more tax. Why not increase tax for those earning over £75k? If they can spend at leadt £10,000 after tax on little Jacob, then adding another 5% on tax there and then another 5% at £125k would seem reasonable.
We all want the best for our kids, but Governmentshould be in place to allowthat to be achieved. They do not do this. It is time that we levelled the playing field (‘s of Eton)
The issue with raising tax at a set level is that £75k in one part of the country is not worth £75k in another.
For example somebody in Cumbria earning that amount will be significantly better off than somebody in the South East earning the same amount due to costs of living. This is especially true within the M25."Is London weighting still about 20%? It's been along time since I had to deal with it. | |||
"The issue with raising tax at a set level is that £75k in one part of the country is not worth £75k in another. For example somebody in Cumbria earning that amount will be significantly better off than somebody in the South East earning the same amount due to costs of living. This is especially true within the M25." geograpical location of residence is a personal choice, especially with the income of £75k being mentioned. you are attacking a straw man. | |||
"So approximately £200m per week is spent on Private Education, plus VAT and Charitable status, so no tax. This is getting on to be more than we actually paid the EU for membership!
Society is broken. For most people, all they can hope for is their childrens lifes are a little better than their own. Allowing people to use family money and connections to sustain and reinforce this is wrong. Jacob Rees Mogg would have been very different if he had gone to a local comp.
It is clear from the amount spent that people can afford to pay more tax. Why not increase tax for those earning over £75k? If they can spend at leadt £10,000 after tax on little Jacob, then adding another 5% on tax there and then another 5% at £125k would seem reasonable.
We all want the best for our kids, but Governmentshould be in place to allowthat to be achieved. They do not do this. It is time that we levelled the playing field (‘s of Eton)
The issue with raising tax at a set level is that £75k in one part of the country is not worth £75k in another.
For example somebody in Cumbria earning that amount will be significantly better off than somebody in the South East earning the same amount due to costs of living. This is especially true within the M25.
Is London weighting still about 20%? It's been along time since I had to deal with it."You only get London Weighting on a salaried income, people on hourly/daily wages don't receive it. Also remember that the number of PAYE, Self Employed and casual staff (inc zero hour contracts) has increased over the last few years. | |||
"The issue with raising tax at a set level is that £75k in one part of the country is not worth £75k in another. For example somebody in Cumbria earning that amount will be significantly better off than somebody in the South East earning the same amount due to costs of living. This is especially true within the M25. geograpical location of residence is a personal choice, especially with the income of £75k being mentioned. you are attacking a straw man." Not always, a lot of employment is location dependant. And is it acceptable to price people out of their homes/places of birth etc. | |||
"The issue with raising tax at a set level is that £75k in one part of the country is not worth £75k in another. For example somebody in Cumbria earning that amount will be significantly better off than somebody in the South East earning the same amount due to costs of living. This is especially true within the M25. geograpical location of residence is a personal choice, especially with the income of £75k being mentioned. you are attacking a straw man. Not always, a lot of employment is location dependant. And is it acceptable to price people out of their homes/places of birth etc. " i was rubbing up against the tebbit mantra of 'getting on ones bicycle' that has been used to condemn the jobless for four decades. it cuts both ways when earners in the top 10% decry the expense of living in the south east yet refuse to re-locate | |||
"The issue with raising tax at a set level is that £75k in one part of the country is not worth £75k in another. For example somebody in Cumbria earning that amount will be significantly better off than somebody in the South East earning the same amount due to costs of living. This is especially true within the M25. geograpical location of residence is a personal choice, especially with the income of £75k being mentioned. you are attacking a straw man. Not always, a lot of employment is location dependant. And is it acceptable to price people out of their homes/places of birth etc. i was rubbing up against the tebbit mantra of 'getting on ones bicycle' that has been used to condemn the jobless for four decades. it cuts both ways when earners in the top 10% decry the expense of living in the south east yet refuse to re-locate" The issue is that if people in the South East relocated you'd see a repeat of the pattern which led to London homes being so ballyhooed in price to the point of being unobtainable for so many | |||
"The issue with raising tax at a set level is that £75k in one part of the country is not worth £75k in another. For example somebody in Cumbria earning that amount will be significantly better off than somebody in the South East earning the same amount due to costs of living. This is especially true within the M25. geograpical location of residence is a personal choice, especially with the income of £75k being mentioned. you are attacking a straw man. Not always, a lot of employment is location dependant. And is it acceptable to price people out of their homes/places of birth etc. i was rubbing up against the tebbit mantra of 'getting on ones bicycle' that has been used to condemn the jobless for four decades. it cuts both ways when earners in the top 10% decry the expense of living in the south east yet refuse to re-locate The issue is that if people in the South East relocated you'd see a repeat of the pattern which led to London homes being so ballyhooed in price to the point of being unobtainable for so many" interesting theory, but it is just that | |||
"The issue with raising tax at a set level is that £75k in one part of the country is not worth £75k in another. For example somebody in Cumbria earning that amount will be significantly better off than somebody in the South East earning the same amount due to costs of living. This is especially true within the M25. geograpical location of residence is a personal choice, especially with the income of £75k being mentioned. you are attacking a straw man. Not always, a lot of employment is location dependant. And is it acceptable to price people out of their homes/places of birth etc. i was rubbing up against the tebbit mantra of 'getting on ones bicycle' that has been used to condemn the jobless for four decades. it cuts both ways when earners in the top 10% decry the expense of living in the south east yet refuse to re-locate" Nicely put | |||
"If people want to send their kids to private school that's fine by me. More taxpayer cash to fund the rest I agree and also we are in the middle of a pandemic this is not the time to discuss matters of this nature & when is it the right time? We have abroken education system where the private sector got to inflate exam grades and the public sector did the opposite. If you think now is the time to double down on impacting the majority whilst letting the elite prosper. I think you’re views are incorrect. Our Govt have cocked up everything for years, now is more than the right time to be thinking about and doingbthe right thing." That’s funny my youngest child who should be taking her GCSE’s this year has told me that their course work contributions have already been up graded & they are practically being told what’s on the exam papers. So what extra help are the posh kids getting? | |||
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"If people want to send their kids to private school that's fine by me. More taxpayer cash to fund the rest " A % of Tax payers money is being used to prop them up though | |||
"I'm completely against private education beyond the capacity for a parent to be able to hire an out of hours private tutor, if say, their kid is falling short in mathematics. Every single person I've personally met who was privately educated, advocates for the same, low tax, and if it matters to the parents, they'll find the money to get their kid to a private school. If you told everyone their kids were all going to have to go to public schools, I'm pretty sure within a general election cycle you'd see more funding per student, increased pay for teachers, increased funding to get people into teacher training. Long story short, until everyone has access to the same standards of education, you don't have a meritocratic society. And meritocracy is pretty much something which essential to a healthy country." Totally with you here. This is my point as well. We will not create a meritocracy unless we start with education. There are plenty of way smarter people who don’t have money and don’t get opportunities. By educating people equally, as you say we will all start welcoming more money being put into Education and standards and opportunities will rise. We should be able to applaud our National Education System the way we do the NHS | |||
"I'm completely against private education beyond the capacity for a parent to be able to hire an out of hours private tutor, if say, their kid is falling short in mathematics. Every single person I've personally met who was privately educated, advocates for the same, low tax, and if it matters to the parents, they'll find the money to get their kid to a private school. If you told everyone their kids were all going to have to go to public schools, I'm pretty sure within a general election cycle you'd see more funding per student, increased pay for teachers, increased funding to get people into teacher training. Long story short, until everyone has access to the same standards of education, you don't have a meritocratic society. And meritocracy is pretty much something which essential to a healthy country. Totally with you here. This is my point as well. We will not create a meritocracy unless we start with education. There are plenty of way smarter people who don’t have money and don’t get opportunities. By educating people equally, as you say we will all start welcoming more money being put into Education and standards and opportunities will rise. We should be able to applaud our National Education System the way we do the NHS "do you want us to all drive Lada’s too, well except for a few obviously who you think better than the rest of us. Now if someone used the example of if we got rid of private education we would not of had so many posh privileged white men running the Labour Party x Nothing like hypocrisy to shout for a meritocracy x just saying. | |||
"Let’s spin this. I know some on here say I’m a name dropper & I’m sure I stated about my elder two children receiving a very good state education in a school that received some of the best grades in the whole of the UK & still achieve good results now. Now the richest parent in the school earned more in a year (believed to be £3m as reported in the press) more than all the other parents put together. So was it right his child took the place of a less fortunate child? Yes I know 3 million is a lot of money for the 2nd team of Liverpool to pay a manager, maybe it’s cause as a Scott he’s careful with his cash, or maybe he wanted the best education for his daughter like we wanted for our son x" hats of to the guy if I was him I’d of done the same I’d rather my kids mix woth normal kids like themselves and parents who send there kids of to boarding school arnt doing it for the kids it’s so they can get there lives back there kidding no one | |||
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"Just to clarify - car history Porsche, RS4, Jag, Alfa Romeo. You don’t know me, nor my income which has at times been quite significant. I went to a comp & a Poly. I bust a gut to make it, but I was often surrounded by people who were given jobs and the casual arrogance is astounding. I would like people to succeed on merit, I want people to be wealthy but I want that to be earned and not given. So I am equally against Communism and extreme Socialism as I am against extreme Capitalism. In my world, each Political Party would have a diverse and meriticratic makebup. Who could possibly argue against this? "not me mate if only tho | |||
"If you ask people if they want to live in a meritocracy, most will say yes. Yet most are also happy to have inequality written into the system from school age. It's odd. " That people think inequality based on accident of birth is a positive thing? That they support a system which actually disadvantages them? It is ,but it certainly explains a lot. For example why they think the most inept pm in history ,is doing a good job,just because he speaks latin. | |||
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"Let me define the problem - people with money, or those willing to throw what money they have to ‘give their children a better life’ are propping up the ‘Eton knows best’ principle. As a consequence of this, we have a brain drain of teachers to the Private Sector and a Chumocracy where people who went to the same Prep School, then go to the same Boarding School & then on to the same University and then they work with their Chums from then on. Governments have tried to get more balance in Universities by pushing for a greater balance of public & private places, but little has changed. Eton still rules the roust. So why not close all Private Schools (inc Religeous) and build a meritocracy with children gaining a broader life experience. By removing boarding (except for a minority like Falklands and Govt Service), we then get people to genuinely see what it islike to have children, try to bring them up when you are working and what itbis like to cope with longer school terms! We might find Govt policy becomes more relevant to the many rather than the few. Provocative, probably. Had to do, inevitably. The wrongbthing to do, I can’t see why. It will take time, yes it will, but we need to change society for the better and it should start with children. Any thoughts? "Interesting thought. Do we stop with just schools though. What about private health care should that go too | |||
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"If these institutions paid tax in the manner of other private firms the Treasury’s coffers would be swelled by an estimated £100m a year. Add in the business rates exemption and the annual tax break is closer in value to £250m. public schools charitable status .... the ultimate in champagne socialism" & if the likes of Amazon Google Facebook Starbucks etc paid just a fair amount of tax we could pay for a proper education for all kids. Do you not realise that the teachers & other staff pay tax & NI, these buildings get maintained creating jobs other services are provided to these schools creating jobs, all paid for privately. These teachers or most of them won’t go to the state schools to work in them, the other staff may or may not but the other jobs that come from that sector will not transfer over because they just won’t exist. | |||
"People have been fiddling at the edges for 30 years wanting more equal representation in Universities, on Company boards and in other bodies. It is moving at a glacial pace. Why, because the vested interests don't want things to change. So how do you change things, you start with Education, it might take another 10-15 years to show change, but it will start to happen. Will it improve my life or my childrens lives? Probably not, but it will allow my future grand children to have opportunities which all children should have. " Social mobility has actually decreased in the last 30 years and normal people are actively supporting it. Its truly bizarre. | |||
"If these institutions paid tax in the manner of other private firms the Treasury’s coffers would be swelled by an estimated £100m a year. Add in the business rates exemption and the annual tax break is closer in value to £250m. public schools charitable status .... the ultimate in champagne socialism & if the likes of Amazon Google Facebook Starbucks etc paid just a fair amount of tax we could pay for a proper education for all kids. Do you not realise that the teachers & other staff pay tax & NI, these buildings get maintained creating jobs other services are provided to these schools creating jobs, all paid for privately. These teachers or most of them won’t go to the state schools to work in them, the other staff may or may not but the other jobs that come from that sector will not transfer over because they just won’t exist. " i disagree with you. it's nonsense to think that public schools will disappear if they paid the relevant business taxes and rates that they are absolved from paying by removing their charitable status. | |||
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"Let me define the problem - people with money, or those willing to throw what money they have to ‘give their children a better life’ are propping up the ‘Eton knows best’ principle. As a consequence of this, we have a brain drain of teachers to the Private Sector and a Chumocracy where people who went to the same Prep School, then go to the same Boarding School & then on to the same University and then they work with their Chums from then on. Governments have tried to get more balance in Universities by pushing for a greater balance of public & private places, but little has changed. Eton still rules the roust. So why not close all Private Schools (inc Religeous) and build a meritocracy with children gaining a broader life experience. By removing boarding (except for a minority like Falklands and Govt Service), we then get people to genuinely see what it islike to have children, try to bring them up when you are working and what itbis like to cope with longer school terms! We might find Govt policy becomes more relevant to the many rather than the few. Provocative, probably. Had to do, inevitably. The wrongbthing to do, I can’t see why. It will take time, yes it will, but we need to change society for the better and it should start with children. Any thoughts? "Try teaching in a state school and a private school... You will see the difference... Less bureaucracy in private education, Teachers allowed to teach, Kids not feral and disruptive, Parents more engaged with their children's education. Obviously, this is in general and there are exceptions to the above. | |||
"Let me define the problem - people with money, or those willing to throw what money they have to ‘give their children a better life’ are propping up the ‘Eton knows best’ principle. As a consequence of this, we have a brain drain of teachers to the Private Sector and a Chumocracy where people who went to the same Prep School, then go to the same Boarding School & then on to the same University and then they work with their Chums from then on. Governments have tried to get more balance in Universities by pushing for a greater balance of public & private places, but little has changed. Eton still rules the roust. So why not close all Private Schools (inc Religeous) and build a meritocracy with children gaining a broader life experience. By removing boarding (except for a minority like Falklands and Govt Service), we then get people to genuinely see what it islike to have children, try to bring them up when you are working and what itbis like to cope with longer school terms! We might find Govt policy becomes more relevant to the many rather than the few. Provocative, probably. Had to do, inevitably. The wrongbthing to do, I can’t see why. It will take time, yes it will, but we need to change society for the better and it should start with children. Any thoughts?
Try teaching in a state school and a private school...
You will see the difference...
Less bureaucracy in private education,
Teachers allowed to teach,
Kids not feral and disruptive,
Parents more engaged with their children's education.
Obviously, this is in general and there are exceptions to the above. "Not quite like wild sweeping ridiculous generalisations. | |||
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"lewis hamiltons family helped him, took him karting every week up and down country, that costs money, they had a car, ok not rich but doing ok, that is fine yes? for his parents to try and help him make a good life? his dad could have gone to pub and played golf instead BUT he didn't. then lewis ends up making millions, moves to switzerland to avoid tax gets a knighthood, funds his brother in touring cars..... im not sure what people are trying to stop? people doing better than them in life or its not fair?
"It's nothing to do with wanting to do better in life. It's about structural inequalities and a society where the rich get every single advantage possible. | |||
"Let me define the problem - people with money, or those willing to throw what money they have to ‘give their children a better life’ are propping up the ‘Eton knows best’ principle. As a consequence of this, we have a brain drain of teachers to the Private Sector and a Chumocracy where people who went to the same Prep School, then go to the same Boarding School & then on to the same University and then they work with their Chums from then on. Governments have tried to get more balance in Universities by pushing for a greater balance of public & private places, but little has changed. Eton still rules the roust. So why not close all Private Schools (inc Religeous) and build a meritocracy with children gaining a broader life experience. By removing boarding (except for a minority like Falklands and Govt Service), we then get people to genuinely see what it islike to have children, try to bring them up when you are working and what itbis like to cope with longer school terms! We might find Govt policy becomes more relevant to the many rather than the few. Provocative, probably. Had to do, inevitably. The wrongbthing to do, I can’t see why. It will take time, yes it will, but we need to change society for the better and it should start with children. Any thoughts?
Try teaching in a state school and a private school...
You will see the difference...
Less bureaucracy in private education,
Teachers allowed to teach,
Kids not feral and disruptive,
Parents more engaged with their children's education.
Obviously, this is in general and there are exceptions to the above. "kids not feral parents more engaged don’t stop there say what you really think you’ve only insulted the majority of ppl in the country says more about you | |||
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"The rich have an advantage so do beautiful people on here lol most managers statistically are tall, let's have a law for more short managers lol How people use their money, like the Hamiltons is their business no? You cold now tax rich lewis but he'll move to Switzerland.... hmm Seems the world can not be perfect? "I'm not sure I can argue with logic like that. | |||
"The rich have an advantage so do beautiful people on here lol most managers statistically are tall, let's have a law for more short managers lol How people use their money, like the Hamiltons is their business no? You cold now tax rich lewis but he'll move to Switzerland.... hmm Seems the world can not be perfect? "No it can’t be perfect, but it can be much better. Why shouldn’t we ask for better? | |||
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"Better than what? In 1950 people didn't have a car go on foreign holidays and we're still using the outside loo... rich people had holidays a car and central heating.... The rich bar moves! But I don't think private lessons should be stopped, maths kung-fu piano go karting. .... and if they benefit from those lessons good on them. " Private lessons, crack on with it. Private schools, no. One of the big issues I have is the institutional set up of ‘we are better than you’. It is the marketing ploy of all of the private schools. End them and allow all children a chance | |||
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"Here are a few idle musings. I didn’t read every post but got a flavour of the thread from reading some of it. Firstly I start from the premise that our educational system is broken and also mirrors the broken nature of our system of governing,political system, health and social care systems, financial systems corporate systems and pubic and private systems etc...Culturally we are feeling the crossfire of the Capitaist system at war within itself between Capitalist warlords and house trained capitalists, for supremacy while the political right and left fight out the culture wars. While climate cancer kills the future for future generations of humans and animal species on this planet. These systems are collapsing for good reason. They were created with a level of thinking that was incapable of dealing with the complex issues we have created through progress since they were originally designed and created. Technology has driven our ability to operate global platforms where our collective consciousness lags our ability to use them for their original idealised purposes. So simply abolishing private schools for me iLis not the way to create an equitable education system that enables development of all continually with the aim of evolving individual and collective consciousness, across multiple lines of intelligence and stages of development. A transformation that sees the interconnected ness of all those systems mentioned and seeks to create greater alignment and integration across those systems to create a better world for all of us. Britain does have an opportunity to transform itself and its educational system so everyone can learn, develop and grow physically, emotionally, intellectually and spiritually as human beings. Sadly, currently I see a leadership vacuum because our educational syste has been unable to create leaders with the clarity of vision, integrity, honesty and trustworthiness, along with the capability to integrate and unite a fragmented country, to recognise our mutual interdependence and work together towards a shared vision for a better world. But if we can imagine it, it is possible.,,." I admire you optimism, but now I have to burst your balloon. Eton is paired witha State school and it helps a bit. But we need radical change, not sticking plasters. I don’t want a revolution, but I would like to see radical change for all children. No religious segregation, no segregation based on wealth and money put into doing the job properly. For Brexit to succeed we need an educated workforce. As a remoaner, I suggest we educate people to make our country more able to succeed. | |||
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"If people want to send their kids to private school that's fine by me. More taxpayer cash to fund the rest I agree and also we are in the middle of a pandemic this is not the time to discuss matters of this nature and yet here you appear to be, seemingly discussing this matter in the midst of a pandemiclol
Why not let everyone start off equal, get the same education and then take lifes opportunities that are open to you? It would be nice to have real people getting the opportunity to run the country as opposed to the loons we get now..."People from average back grounds have done well in politics some have become PM but they get the same stick. | |||
"It's quite simple. In all capitalist societies you will have inequality..its inevitable. You either take steps to level up that inequality, do nothing or actively make the gap wider." In ll societies there will be inequality,allways has been allways will be. Somebody has to do the bins and someone has to run the country.If they have the same start that will be true. Some are more intelligent than others. some are better fotballers etc it is life so stop complaining you lot | |||
"It's quite simple. In all capitalist societies you will have inequality..its inevitable. You either take steps to level up that inequality, do nothing or actively make the gap wider.In ll societies there will be inequality,allways has been allways will be. Somebody has to do the bins and someone has to run the country.If they have the same start that will be true. Some are more intelligent than others. some are better fotballers etc it is life so stop complaining you lot" If boris Johnson went to a normal school and Preston uni..would he be pm? | |||
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"It's quite simple. In all capitalist societies you will have inequality..its inevitable. You either take steps to level up that inequality, do nothing or actively make the gap wider.In ll societies there will be inequality,allways has been allways will be. Somebody has to do the bins and someone has to run the country.If they have the same start that will be true. Some are more intelligent than others. some are better fotballers etc it is life so stop complaining you lot If boris Johnson went to a normal school and Preston uni..would he be pm?" Maybe if he wwent to Ptreston school yes but he would have to have got into Oxford or Cambridge so if clever enough yes. Thatcher went to an ordinary grammar school | |||
"It's quite simple. In all capitalist societies you will have inequality..its inevitable. You either take steps to level up that inequality, do nothing or actively make the gap wider.In ll societies there will be inequality,allways has been allways will be. Somebody has to do the bins and someone has to run the country.If they have the same start that will be true. Some are more intelligent than others. some are better fotballers etc it is life so stop complaining you lot" Create an even playing field and then let the cream float to the top. I played competitive sport, I’m used to winners and losers. But don’t consign people to being lisers from birth. Give people a chance. We no longer need Baldrick to be a Serf, Turnips should not be his only dream in life... | |||
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"No inverted snobbery either lol "...meaning? Some of us went to Comps remember | |||
"It's quite simple. In all capitalist societies you will have inequality..its inevitable. You either take steps to level up that inequality, do nothing or actively make the gap wider.In ll societies there will be inequality,allways has been allways will be. Somebody has to do the bins and someone has to run the country.If they have the same start that will be true. Some are more intelligent than others. some are better fotballers etc it is life so stop complaining you lot If boris Johnson went to a normal school and Preston uni..would he be pm?Maybe if he wwent to Ptreston school yes but he would have to have got into Oxford or Cambridge so if clever enough yes. Thatcher went to an ordinary grammar school" No..he wouldnt have got no where near the job. | |||
"No inverted snobbery either lol "What inverted snobbery? | |||
"No inverted snobbery either lol
What inverted snobbery?"Look in the mirror maybe | |||
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"No inverted snobbery either lol
...meaning? Some of us went to Comps remember "Are you using a strange code, please let us n | |||
"No inverted snobbery either lol
What inverted snobbery?Look in the mirror maybe"So you can see inverted snobbery? | |||
"I put the exact opposite of another post. " That makes no sense You.made a sweeping generalisation about people going to bingos | |||
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"I made a sweeping statement about spending money on books as well but you indicated snobs buy books and go to museums but normal people have an xbox I havent made judgement if you read all my posts, I'm just saying some want to spend money on educational items others on Disney? Lewis Hamiltons dad helped him rather than going to bingo and got a result.... bravo for them. We didn't all get karting lessons. How can the field ever be fully even? What if your mum is shit at maths and mine is a professor? Life is not perfect. That's the last I'll say on the matter "I said nothing whatsoever about snobs buying books You cant beat a good old fashioned flounce | |||
"I made a sweeping statement about spending money on books as well but you indicated snobs buy books and go to museums but normal people have an xbox I havent made judgement if you read all my posts, I'm just saying some want to spend money on educational items others on Disney? Lewis Hamiltons dad helped him rather than going to bingo and got a result.... bravo for them. We didn't all get karting lessons. How can the field ever be fully even? What if your mum is shit at maths and mine is a professor? Life is not perfect. That's the last I'll say on the matter
I said nothing whatsoever about snobs buying books
You cant beat a good old fashioned flounce "He’ll be back | |||
"Here are a few idle musings. I didn’t read every post but got a flavour of the thread from reading some of it. Firstly I start from the premise that our educational system is broken and also mirrors the broken nature of our system of governing,political system, health and social care systems, financial systems corporate systems and pubic and private systems etc...Culturally we are feeling the crossfire of the Capitaist system at war within itself between Capitalist warlords and house trained capitalists, for supremacy while the political right and left fight out the culture wars. While climate cancer kills the future for future generations of humans and animal species on this planet. These systems are collapsing for good reason. They were created with a level of thinking that was incapable of dealing with the complex issues we have created through progress since they were originally designed and created. Technology has driven our ability to operate global platforms where our collective consciousness lags our ability to use them for their original idealised purposes. So simply abolishing private schools for me iLis not the way to create an equitable education system that enables development of all continually with the aim of evolving individual and collective consciousness, across multiple lines of intelligence and stages of development. A transformation that sees the interconnected ness of all those systems mentioned and seeks to create greater alignment and integration across those systems to create a better world for all of us. Britain does have an opportunity to transform itself and its educational system so everyone can learn, develop and grow physically, emotionally, intellectually and spiritually as human beings. Sadly, currently I see a leadership vacuum because our educational syste has been unable to create leaders with the clarity of vision, integrity, honesty and trustworthiness, along with the capability to integrate and unite a fragmented country, to recognise our mutual interdependence and work together towards a shared vision for a better world. But if we can imagine it, it is possible.,,. I admire you optimism, but now I have to burst your balloon. Eton is paired witha State school and it helps a bit. But we need radical change, not sticking plasters. I don’t want a revolution, but I would like to see radical change for all children. No religious segregation, no segregation based on wealth and money put into doing the job properly. For Brexit to succeed we need an educated workforce. As a remoaner, I suggest we educate people to make our country more able to succeed." I don’t disagree. I think the whole school, University and College system needs transforming with lifelong educational pathways. That integrate what I was talking about above. The first task is to get the Tories out of power but what do we replace them with. None of the current opposition parties are doing enough to engender confidence that the electorate will do that. A new way of governing that is a collaboration between different perspectives, that creates policy through effective engagement and dialogue, guided by the most inspiring, creative, inspirational ideas and thinking on the planet. This is possible but the current political system can’t create it, so we need a new political system including voting, that creates a parliament of diverse views, not the current first past the post system. I could rattle on for ever but...I don’t want to bore the shit out of you all  | |||
"Here are a few idle musings. I didn’t read every post but got a flavour of the thread from reading some of it. Firstly I start from the premise that our educational system is broken and also mirrors the broken nature of our system of governing,political system, health and social care systems, financial systems corporate systems and pubic and private systems etc...Culturally we are feeling the crossfire of the Capitaist system at war within itself between Capitalist warlords and house trained capitalists, for supremacy while the political right and left fight out the culture wars. While climate cancer kills the future for future generations of humans and animal species on this planet. These systems are collapsing for good reason. They were created with a level of thinking that was incapable of dealing with the complex issues we have created through progress since they were originally designed and created. Technology has driven our ability to operate global platforms where our collective consciousness lags our ability to use them for their original idealised purposes. So simply abolishing private schools for me iLis not the way to create an equitable education system that enables development of all continually with the aim of evolving individual and collective consciousness, across multiple lines of intelligence and stages of development. A transformation that sees the interconnected ness of all those systems mentioned and seeks to create greater alignment and integration across those systems to create a better world for all of us. Britain does have an opportunity to transform itself and its educational system so everyone can learn, develop and grow physically, emotionally, intellectually and spiritually as human beings. Sadly, currently I see a leadership vacuum because our educational syste has been unable to create leaders with the clarity of vision, integrity, honesty and trustworthiness, along with the capability to integrate and unite a fragmented country, to recognise our mutual interdependence and work together towards a shared vision for a better world. But if we can imagine it, it is possible.,,. I admire you optimism, but now I have to burst your balloon. Eton is paired witha State school and it helps a bit. But we need radical change, not sticking plasters. I don’t want a revolution, but I would like to see radical change for all children. No religious segregation, no segregation based on wealth and money put into doing the job properly. For Brexit to succeed we need an educated workforce. As a remoaner, I suggest we educate people to make our country more able to succeed." and no fucking boarding schools if you don’t want to bring up yr kids don’t have them do like the rest of us do bring them up in yr home | |||
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"The system isn't fair. I sent both my children to independent school (one is still there) as the local state schools were so dreadful. If we had a good state system, we wouldn't need an alternative. I'm a single parent and worked my butt off to pay the fees, but I think I get good value for money in terms of my children's achievements, interests, opportunities and prospects. " is the school you send yr child to local does he or she walk to and from school woth there mates and hang out after school with them ? | |||
"The system isn't fair. I sent both my children to independent school (one is still there) as the local state schools were so dreadful. If we had a good state system, we wouldn't need an alternative. I'm a single parent and worked my butt off to pay the fees, but I think I get good value for money in terms of my children's achievements, interests, opportunities and prospects. is the school you send yr child to local does he or she walk to and from school woth there mates and hang out after school with them ?" It's 7 miles away, too far to walk but local enough that they get together when there isn't a pandemic. My eldest (22) is in touch regularly with friends from school and flat shares with one of them. It doesn't impede normal social friendships. | |||
"The system isn't fair. I sent both my children to independent school (one is still there) as the local state schools were so dreadful. If we had a good state system, we wouldn't need an alternative. I'm a single parent and worked my butt off to pay the fees, but I think I get good value for money in terms of my children's achievements, interests, opportunities and prospects. is the school you send yr child to local does he or she walk to and from school woth there mates and hang out after school with them ? It's 7 miles away, too far to walk but local enough that they get together when there isn't a pandemic. My eldest (22) is in touch regularly with friends from school and flat shares with one of them. It doesn't impede normal social friendships. " that’s fine aslong as it works for you mine are all left school now at uni they whent to a local school walked there back with there mates hung around after school and still do that worked for us I just think there’s to many kids who don’t have the social side of been kids anymore | |||
"Let me define the problem - people with money, or those willing to throw what money they have to ‘give their children a better life’ are propping up the ‘Eton knows best’ principle. As a consequence of this, we have a brain drain of teachers to the Private Sector and a Chumocracy where people who went to the same Prep School, then go to the same Boarding School & then on to the same University and then they work with their Chums from then on. Governments have tried to get more balance in Universities by pushing for a greater balance of public & private places, but little has changed. Eton still rules the roust. So why not close all Private Schools (inc Religeous) and build a meritocracy with children gaining a broader life experience. By removing boarding (except for a minority like Falklands and Govt Service), we then get people to genuinely see what it islike to have children, try to bring them up when you are working and what itbis like to cope with longer school terms! We might find Govt policy becomes more relevant to the many rather than the few. Provocative, probably. Had to do, inevitably. The wrongbthing to do, I can’t see why. It will take time, yes it will, but we need to change society for the better and it should start with children. Any thoughts?
Try teaching in a state school and a private school...
You will see the difference...
Less bureaucracy in private education,
Teachers allowed to teach,
Kids not feral and disruptive,
Parents more engaged with their children's education.
Obviously, this is in general and there are exceptions to the above.
Not quite like wild sweeping ridiculous generalisations."Two of our children are teachers. Not exactly wild and sweeping generalisations. | |||
"Let me define the problem - people with money, or those willing to throw what money they have to ‘give their children a better life’ are propping up the ‘Eton knows best’ principle. As a consequence of this, we have a brain drain of teachers to the Private Sector and a Chumocracy where people who went to the same Prep School, then go to the same Boarding School & then on to the same University and then they work with their Chums from then on. Governments have tried to get more balance in Universities by pushing for a greater balance of public & private places, but little has changed. Eton still rules the roust. So why not close all Private Schools (inc Religeous) and build a meritocracy with children gaining a broader life experience. By removing boarding (except for a minority like Falklands and Govt Service), we then get people to genuinely see what it islike to have children, try to bring them up when you are working and what itbis like to cope with longer school terms! We might find Govt policy becomes more relevant to the many rather than the few. Provocative, probably. Had to do, inevitably. The wrongbthing to do, I can’t see why. It will take time, yes it will, but we need to change society for the better and it should start with children. Any thoughts?
Try teaching in a state school and a private school...
You will see the difference...
Less bureaucracy in private education,
Teachers allowed to teach,
Kids not feral and disruptive,
Parents more engaged with their children's education.
Obviously, this is in general and there are exceptions to the above. kids not feral parents more engaged don’t stop there say what you really think you’ve only insulted the majority of ppl in the country says more about you "Like I said, we've got two children that are teachers. Both of whom speak from direct experience. When you're a teacher and a kid calls you an Effing C, others hit out at you, break windows, get caught with knives, spit in your face...yeah, I'd say that was more feral than angelic, wouldn't you? But like I said, that's not all of them...the ones that behave and try to do well, or actually do well, are more often than not the ones whose parents turn up to parents evenings. | |||
"Let me define the problem - people with money, or those willing to throw what money they have to ‘give their children a better life’ are propping up the ‘Eton knows best’ principle. As a consequence of this, we have a brain drain of teachers to the Private Sector and a Chumocracy where people who went to the same Prep School, then go to the same Boarding School & then on to the same University and then they work with their Chums from then on. Governments have tried to get more balance in Universities by pushing for a greater balance of public & private places, but little has changed. Eton still rules the roust. So why not close all Private Schools (inc Religeous) and build a meritocracy with children gaining a broader life experience. By removing boarding (except for a minority like Falklands and Govt Service), we then get people to genuinely see what it islike to have children, try to bring them up when you are working and what itbis like to cope with longer school terms! We might find Govt policy becomes more relevant to the many rather than the few. Provocative, probably. Had to do, inevitably. The wrongbthing to do, I can’t see why. It will take time, yes it will, but we need to change society for the better and it should start with children. Any thoughts?
Try teaching in a state school and a private school...
You will see the difference...
Less bureaucracy in private education,
Teachers allowed to teach,
Kids not feral and disruptive,
Parents more engaged with their children's education.
Obviously, this is in general and there are exceptions to the above. kids not feral parents more engaged don’t stop there say what you really think you’ve only insulted the majority of ppl in the country says more about you
Like I said, we've got two children that are teachers.
Both of whom speak from direct experience.
When you're a teacher and a kid calls you an Effing C, others hit out at you, break windows, get caught with knives, spit in your face...yeah, I'd say that was more feral than angelic, wouldn't you?
But like I said, that's not all of them...the ones that behave and try to do well, or actually do well, are more often than not the ones whose parents turn up to parents evenings."do they get twelve weeks holidays a yr ? do they work nights weekends bank holidays Xmas day Boxing Day new yrs day ? | |||
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"I send my son to a private school. I believe as a tax payer I should get a rebate as the government isn’t funding his education!" By stopping fee paying schools, more money can be spent on all education. Then you wouldn’t have to pay for your childs education twice - we might all pay a bit more in, but the national outcome is better. Who knows Brexit might work as we have a more educated workforce - sorry, the Brexit bit is a joke | |||
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"Let me define the problem - people with money, or those willing to throw what money they have to ‘give their children a better life’ are propping up the ‘Eton knows best’ principle. As a consequence of this, we have a brain drain of teachers to the Private Sector and a Chumocracy where people who went to the same Prep School, then go to the same Boarding School & then on to the same University and then they work with their Chums from then on. Governments have tried to get more balance in Universities by pushing for a greater balance of public & private places, but little has changed. Eton still rules the roust. So why not close all Private Schools (inc Religeous) and build a meritocracy with children gaining a broader life experience. By removing boarding (except for a minority like Falklands and Govt Service), we then get people to genuinely see what it islike to have children, try to bring them up when you are working and what itbis like to cope with longer school terms! We might find Govt policy becomes more relevant to the many rather than the few. Provocative, probably. Had to do, inevitably. The wrongbthing to do, I can’t see why. It will take time, yes it will, but we need to change society for the better and it should start with children. Any thoughts?
Try teaching in a state school and a private school...
You will see the difference...
Less bureaucracy in private education,
Teachers allowed to teach,
Kids not feral and disruptive,
Parents more engaged with their children's education.
Obviously, this is in general and there are exceptions to the above. kids not feral parents more engaged don’t stop there say what you really think you’ve only insulted the majority of ppl in the country says more about you
Like I said, we've got two children that are teachers.
Both of whom speak from direct experience.
When you're a teacher and a kid calls you an Effing C, others hit out at you, break windows, get caught with knives, spit in your face...yeah, I'd say that was more feral than angelic, wouldn't you?
But like I said, that's not all of them...the ones that behave and try to do well, or actually do well, are more often than not the ones whose parents turn up to parents evenings. do they get twelve weeks holidays a yr ? do they work nights weekends bank holidays Xmas day Boxing Day new yrs day ? "No, not really. Spend a large part of their "holidays" planning for the following term / year. Evenings are spent marking homework or tests, or prepping for lessons,parents evenings,etc. Similar with working at weekends. During the week, our daughter, for example, gets to work at about 7:30, and generally gets home about 6. At the moment she spends most of her time teaching from home because of Covid. Our son still teaches at school, with key workers children and SENs. | |||
"I send my son to a private school. I believe as a tax payer I should get a rebate as the government isn’t funding his education!" Arent you funding his education? | |||
