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"This is going to get interesting....." Do tell more? The significance of the 6th of January? | |||
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"The significance of the 6th of January?" it's the final outcome of the vaguely democratic process to choose the next american autocrat  | |||
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"This is going to get interesting....." Congress will count electoral votes 6th Jan certifying Joe Biden win? | |||
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"This is going to get interesting..... Congress will count electoral votes 6th Jan certifying Joe Biden win?" So at least 12 GOP Senators are to challenge Bidens win! | |||
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"This is going to get interesting....." Yes let's welcome President Joe Biden who won by a landslide according to his opponent soon to be former President Trump, we can all look forward to brighter days ahead. | |||
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"This is going to get interesting..... Yes let's welcome President Joe Biden who won by a landslide according to his opponent soon to be former President Trump, we can all look forward to brighter days ahead." Really? Things were so good under Obama and Biden last time that people went for Trump  | |||
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"Not so much the count it's the protests." As in protests from senators or from citizens? | |||
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"Not so much the count it's the protests." Indeed it's been over two months since the Election results were announced and Trump's supporters must be fearing it's the end of the line. Is Senator Ted Cruz's heart in this or is he just going along with it to placate the Trump Fanbase? The little I do know it could be a 10 day enquiry into the alleged voting irregularities. | |||
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"Not so much the count it's the protests." The pro trump protests? | |||
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"Not so much the count it's the protests. The pro trump protests?" Both sides going to be there. Alot of DC businesses shutting down for the day. | |||
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"it does make me laugh people thinking things will get better under biden lol the ones in charge of the dems are just as disgusting as those in charge of the republicans.only difference between trump and biden is trump blurted shit out with no filter.biden will just have better handlers.look at joes past he is just as much of a cunt as trump is"  | |||
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"it does make me laugh people thinking things will get better under biden lol the ones in charge of the dems are just as disgusting as those in charge of the republicans.only difference between trump and biden is trump blurted shit out with no filter.biden will just have better handlers.look at joes past he is just as much of a cunt as trump is" Definitely. However if he gets the US back into the Paris Climate Agreement, and doesn't egg on white supremacists. That will be an improvement. | |||
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"Same politics different regime." Well, you can always do a regime change, you guys are famous for that. | |||
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"i've heard shares in Fred Perry are going to tank this week" Love me a bit of Fred Perry. Shame it’s been hijacked for something it’s very firmly against as a brand. | |||
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"This is going to get interesting..... Yes let's welcome President Joe Biden who won by a landslide according to his opponent soon to be former President Trump, we can all look forward to brighter days ahead. Really? Things were so good under Obama and Biden last time that people went for Trump " | |||
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"This is going to get interesting..... Yes let's welcome President Joe Biden who won by a landslide according to his opponent soon to be former President Trump, we can all look forward to brighter days ahead. Really? Things were so good under Obama and Biden last time that people went for Trump " | |||
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"it does make me laugh people thinking things will get better under biden lol the ones in charge of the dems are just as disgusting as those in charge of the republicans.only difference between trump and biden is trump blurted shit out with no filter.biden will just have better handlers.look at joes past he is just as much of a cunt as trump is" Why dont you make a new years resolution to make one positive post sometime this year ? | |||
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"it does make me laugh people thinking things will get better under biden lol the ones in charge of the dems are just as disgusting as those in charge of the republicans.only difference between trump and biden is trump blurted shit out with no filter.biden will just have better handlers.look at joes past he is just as much of a cunt as trump is Definitely. However if he gets the US back into the Paris Climate Agreement, and doesn't egg on white supremacists. That will be an improvement." Fracking is still going to happen. Biden has no control over privately controlled lands. Rejoining the accords will only benefit federal lands. So rejoining the accords will happen but it has no effect on some energy sectors. | |||
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"Same politics different regime." I think someone I once listened to made an analogy that the Democrats and Republicans were like the Genovese and Gambino crime family?  | |||
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"Same politics different regime. I think someone I once listened to made an analogy that the Democrats and Republicans were like the Genovese and Gambino crime family? "Pretty much. Democrats where we live have been horrible and extremely corrupt. Hence why Trump took the vote in our county with ease.The Irishman and alot of Mafia stories come from this area. | |||
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"it does make me laugh people thinking things will get better under biden lol the ones in charge of the dems are just as disgusting as those in charge of the republicans.only difference between trump and biden is trump blurted shit out with no filter.biden will just have better handlers.look at joes past he is just as much of a cunt as trump is Definitely. However if he gets the US back into the Paris Climate Agreement, and doesn't egg on white supremacists. That will be an improvement. Fracking is still going to happen. Biden has no control over privately controlled lands. Rejoining the accords will only benefit federal lands. So rejoining the accords will happen but it has no effect on some energy sectors." He can ban fracking instantly on any land, whether he does or not is a separate matter. | |||
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"it does make me laugh people thinking things will get better under biden lol the ones in charge of the dems are just as disgusting as those in charge of the republicans.only difference between trump and biden is trump blurted shit out with no filter.biden will just have better handlers.look at joes past he is just as much of a cunt as trump is Why dont you make a new years resolution to make one positive post sometime this year ?" so what part of what i wrote is wrong?? or do you really think joe isnt morally corrupt aswell | |||
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"it does make me laugh people thinking things will get better under biden lol the ones in charge of the dems are just as disgusting as those in charge of the republicans.only difference between trump and biden is trump blurted shit out with no filter.biden will just have better handlers.look at joes past he is just as much of a cunt as trump is Definitely. However if he gets the US back into the Paris Climate Agreement, and doesn't egg on white supremacists. That will be an improvement. Fracking is still going to happen. Biden has no control over privately controlled lands. Rejoining the accords will only benefit federal lands. So rejoining the accords will happen but it has no effect on some energy sectors. He can ban fracking instantly on any land, whether he does or not is a separate matter." No only a vote in congress can on privately owned lands. A executive order cannot. | |||
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"it does make me laugh people thinking things will get better under biden lol the ones in charge of the dems are just as disgusting as those in charge of the republicans.only difference between trump and biden is trump blurted shit out with no filter.biden will just have better handlers.look at joes past he is just as much of a cunt as trump is Definitely. However if he gets the US back into the Paris Climate Agreement, and doesn't egg on white supremacists. That will be an improvement. Fracking is still going to happen. Biden has no control over privately controlled lands. Rejoining the accords will only benefit federal lands. So rejoining the accords will happen but it has no effect on some energy sectors. He can ban fracking instantly on any land, whether he does or not is a separate matter. No only a vote in congress can on privately owned lands. A executive order cannot." American being domestically energy self sufficent is good thing. | |||
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"it does make me laugh people thinking things will get better under biden lol the ones in charge of the dems are just as disgusting as those in charge of the republicans.only difference between trump and biden is trump blurted shit out with no filter.biden will just have better handlers.look at joes past he is just as much of a cunt as trump is Why dont you make a new years resolution to make one positive post sometime this year ? so what part of what i wrote is wrong?? or do you really think joe isnt morally corrupt aswell" There's no comparison whatsoever between the two men. | |||
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"it does make me laugh people thinking things will get better under biden lol the ones in charge of the dems are just as disgusting as those in charge of the republicans.only difference between trump and biden is trump blurted shit out with no filter.biden will just have better handlers.look at joes past he is just as much of a cunt as trump is Definitely. However if he gets the US back into the Paris Climate Agreement, and doesn't egg on white supremacists. That will be an improvement. Fracking is still going to happen. Biden has no control over privately controlled lands. Rejoining the accords will only benefit federal lands. So rejoining the accords will happen but it has no effect on some energy sectors. He can ban fracking instantly on any land, whether he does or not is a separate matter. No only a vote in congress can on privately owned lands. A executive order cannot. American being domestically energy self sufficent is good thing. "It is but we not fully there yet. Being energy independent should be a goal to avoid oil wars ect... I don't see the US giving into the climate accords at this point. On paper yes biden will executive order back in but it will not mean anything. It's just a paper tiger offering to the rest of the world. | |||
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"it does make me laugh people thinking things will get better under biden lol the ones in charge of the dems are just as disgusting as those in charge of the republicans.only difference between trump and biden is trump blurted shit out with no filter.biden will just have better handlers.look at joes past he is just as much of a cunt as trump is Definitely. However if he gets the US back into the Paris Climate Agreement, and doesn't egg on white supremacists. That will be an improvement. Fracking is still going to happen. Biden has no control over privately controlled lands. Rejoining the accords will only benefit federal lands. So rejoining the accords will happen but it has no effect on some energy sectors." Fracking is only a part of the problem. The US being back in the Paris Climate Agreement would be hugely beneficial for the planet. | |||
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"maybe Biden will just do what Trump has done for four years and dish out eminent domain orders on the fracking sites like a team of croupiers dealing playing cards at a vegas casino " And do what exactly? Even if he tried it be stalled in the courts. | |||
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"it does make me laugh people thinking things will get better under biden lol the ones in charge of the dems are just as disgusting as those in charge of the republicans.only difference between trump and biden is trump blurted shit out with no filter.biden will just have better handlers.look at joes past he is just as much of a cunt as trump is Why dont you make a new years resolution to make one positive post sometime this year ? so what part of what i wrote is wrong?? or do you really think joe isnt morally corrupt aswell" I mostly agree. Both parties over there are in the pockets of the corporations. I would argue that the democrats offer a small incremental improvement. | |||
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"it does make me laugh people thinking things will get better under biden lol the ones in charge of the dems are just as disgusting as those in charge of the republicans.only difference between trump and biden is trump blurted shit out with no filter.biden will just have better handlers.look at joes past he is just as much of a cunt as trump is Definitely. However if he gets the US back into the Paris Climate Agreement, and doesn't egg on white supremacists. That will be an improvement. Fracking is still going to happen. Biden has no control over privately controlled lands. Rejoining the accords will only benefit federal lands. So rejoining the accords will happen but it has no effect on some energy sectors. Fracking is only a part of the problem. The US being back in the Paris Climate Agreement would be hugely beneficial for the planet." To what extent? There is no type of enforcement at all for the accords. Countries can still do as they wish. Change future emissions targets ect. . It's kind of a redundant approach. Natural gas is currently the #1 best clean burning fuel. We are in a position to supply that better globally. So that other sectors of the green energy market can truly take hold.But nope let's just shut everything thing down because the world says so. I say no let the gas industry help support until a time when green energy can truly take over. Because right now the windmills here are a joke. | |||
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"it does make me laugh people thinking things will get better under biden lol the ones in charge of the dems are just as disgusting as those in charge of the republicans.only difference between trump and biden is trump blurted shit out with no filter.biden will just have better handlers.look at joes past he is just as much of a cunt as trump is Definitely. However if he gets the US back into the Paris Climate Agreement, and doesn't egg on white supremacists. That will be an improvement. Fracking is still going to happen. Biden has no control over privately controlled lands. Rejoining the accords will only benefit federal lands. So rejoining the accords will happen but it has no effect on some energy sectors. Fracking is only a part of the problem. The US being back in the Paris Climate Agreement would be hugely beneficial for the planet. To what extent? There is no type of enforcement at all for the accords. Countries can still do as they wish. Change future emissions targets ect. . It's kind of a redundant approach. Natural gas is currently the #1 best clean burning fuel. We are in a position to supply that better globally. So that other sectors of the green energy market can truly take hold.But nope let's just shut everything thing down because the world says so. I say no let the gas industry help support until a time when green energy can truly take over. Because right now the windmills here are a joke." You can read up about it. The US has a big part to play. There isn't enough space here to explain the benefits. Even in summary. Natural Gas isn't "clean". Simply put, you're moving carbon, that was removed from the atmosphere millions of years ago and stored underground, and putting it back there. | |||
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"it does make me laugh people thinking things will get better under biden lol the ones in charge of the dems are just as disgusting as those in charge of the republicans.only difference between trump and biden is trump blurted shit out with no filter.biden will just have better handlers.look at joes past he is just as much of a cunt as trump is Why dont you make a new years resolution to make one positive post sometime this year ? so what part of what i wrote is wrong?? or do you really think joe isnt morally corrupt aswell" No I'm not agreeing or disagreeing but it really would be fantastic to see you leave one positive post about something this year who knows it might uplift your very soul just try it. | |||
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"Justice for the American people coming "You have so not listened to the Washington post recording yet have you....... The ramblings of a despot....... | |||
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"Justice for the American people coming
You have so not listened to the Washington post recording yet have you.......
The ramblings of a despot.......
"Aided by a complicit GOP. | |||
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"What's GOP?" Grand Old Party The republicans. | |||
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"What's GOP? Grand Old Party The republicans. " Sigh | |||
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"What's GOP?" It’s the name for the Republican Party... Before you make anymore posts.... I’d listen to that Washington post recording..... it’s really not good | |||
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"This is going to get interesting....." It has got boring | |||
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"Justice for the American people coming
You have so not listened to the Washington post recording yet have you.......
The ramblings of a despot.......
"Does not make for good listening, if your a believer in democracy and a republican member of Congress or the Senate it really is a wake up call.. Time for big boy pants.. | |||
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"This is going to get interesting.....It has got boring" You so haven’t listened to the tape yet have you..... Heck, in the spirit of bipartisanship... I’ll even buy you some popcorn to munch on whilst listening...... I am just awaiting for them to defend the indefensible........ First person to say he was being sarcastic wins an extra special prize....... boot licker.. lol | |||
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"Justice for the American people coming
You have so not listened to the Washington post recording yet have you.......
The ramblings of a despot.......
Does not make for good listening, if your a believer in democracy and a republican member of Congress or the Senate it really is a wake up call..
Time for big boy pants.."I think they know Trump has lost, the intention behind now is to cast doubt on the legitimacy of Biden's presidency. It's birtherism part two. | |||
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"This is going to get interesting.....It has got boring You so haven’t listened to the tape yet have you..... Heck, in the spirit of bipartisanship... I’ll even buy you some popcorn to munch on whilst listening...... I am just awaiting for them to defend the indefensible........ First person to say he was being sarcastic wins an extra special prize....... boot licker.. lol" I would have to say he is being annoying and deranged. Playing with the constitution is not sitting well with some voters. | |||
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"This is going to get interesting..... Yes let's welcome President Joe Biden who won by a landslide according to his opponent soon to be former President Trump, we can all look forward to brighter days ahead. Really? Things were so good under Obama and Biden last time that people went for Trump "Last time, Obama and Biden weren't an option. It was Clinton who, as I am sure you remember, clearly won the popular vote. The Americans electoral system is even worse than ours. | |||
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"Not so much the count it's the protests. The pro trump protests? Both sides going to be there. Alot of DC businesses shutting down for the day." I doubt the Trump fanatics will cause much trouble though , most are keyboard warriors | |||
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"This is going to get interesting..... Yes let's welcome President Joe Biden who won by a landslide according to his opponent soon to be former President Trump, we can all look forward to brighter days ahead. Really? Things were so good under Obama and Biden last time that people went for Trump
Last time, Obama and Biden weren't an option. It was Clinton who, as I am sure you remember, clearly won the popular vote. The Americans electoral system is even worse than ours."What’s wrong the electoral system in the US? The actual voting procedure is fucked. Postal voting is insecure thanks to untrustworthy postal services and there are questions being raised about electronic voting systems (I’m not interested in a debate here, just stating a point). The electoral college system is actually quite a savvy way to ensure equal representation between states. I don’t understand how you could argue for anything else over there? | |||
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"This is going to get interesting..... Yes let's welcome President Joe Biden who won by a landslide according to his opponent soon to be former President Trump, we can all look forward to brighter days ahead. Really? Things were so good under Obama and Biden last time that people went for Trump
Last time, Obama and Biden weren't an option. It was Clinton who, as I am sure you remember, clearly won the popular vote. The Americans electoral system is even worse than ours.
What’s wrong the electoral system in the US? The actual voting procedure is fucked. Postal voting is insecure thanks to untrustworthy postal services and there are questions being raised about electronic voting systems (I’m not interested in a debate here, just stating a point).
The electoral college system is actually quite a savvy way to ensure equal representation between states. I don’t understand how you could argue for anything else over there? "Do you have credible evidence to substantiate your 'point' regarding postal voting and electronic voting? If you do, give this number a call, 202-456-1414. It's the White House switchboard. If you're shy, I can call them on your behalf. I look forward to hearing your evidence. Yes, the electoral college, where you can win the presidency with a minority of the vote. The electoral college ensures that in Wyoming, there are 578,000 people and three electoral votes, which is equivalent to one electoral vote for every 190,000 voters. However, in California, there are about 40 million people and fifty-five electoral votes, which is equivalent to one for every 700,000 voters. And then there's the winner takes all aspect. When candidate A wins 55% of the vote in a state, the 45% of candidate B are disregarded when voting in the electoral college. | |||
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"This is going to get interesting..... Yes let's welcome President Joe Biden who won by a landslide according to his opponent soon to be former President Trump, we can all look forward to brighter days ahead. Really? Things were so good under Obama and Biden last time that people went for Trump
Last time, Obama and Biden weren't an option. It was Clinton who, as I am sure you remember, clearly won the popular vote. The Americans electoral system is even worse than ours.
What’s wrong the electoral system in the US? The actual voting procedure is fucked. Postal voting is insecure thanks to untrustworthy postal services and there are questions being raised about electronic voting systems (I’m not interested in a debate here, just stating a point).
The electoral college system is actually quite a savvy way to ensure equal representation between states. I don’t understand how you could argue for anything else over there?
Do you have credible evidence to substantiate your 'point' regarding postal voting and electronic voting? If you do, give this number a call, 202-456-1414. It's the White House switchboard. If you're shy, I can call them on your behalf. I look forward to hearing your evidence.
Yes, the electoral college, where you can win the presidency with a minority of the vote. The electoral college ensures that in Wyoming, there are 578,000 people and three electoral votes, which is equivalent to one electoral vote for every 190,000 voters. However, in California, there are about 40 million people and fifty-five electoral votes, which is equivalent to one for every 700,000 voters. And then there's the winner takes all aspect. When candidate A wins 55% of the vote in a state, the 45% of candidate B are disregarded when voting in the electoral college."I didn’t say I had ‘proof’ of anything, just highlighting the integrity questions Trumps legal team have raised as their whole reason for calling the result into dispute - so don’t speak to me like a dick. And yeah the electoral college system isn’t perfect but it was established to balance the states by population. Unless you’ve got something better up your sleeve it’s probably the best system for fair state representation in the election process that I can see. Otherwise the coastal states would dominate. That’s not particularly fair in my opinion. | |||
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"This is going to get interesting..... Yes let's welcome President Joe Biden who won by a landslide according to his opponent soon to be former President Trump, we can all look forward to brighter days ahead. Really? Things were so good under Obama and Biden last time that people went for Trump
Last time, Obama and Biden weren't an option. It was Clinton who, as I am sure you remember, clearly won the popular vote. The Americans electoral system is even worse than ours.
What’s wrong the electoral system in the US? The actual voting procedure is fucked. Postal voting is insecure thanks to untrustworthy postal services and there are questions being raised about electronic voting systems (I’m not interested in a debate here, just stating a point).
The electoral college system is actually quite a savvy way to ensure equal representation between states. I don’t understand how you could argue for anything else over there?
Do you have credible evidence to substantiate your 'point' regarding postal voting and electronic voting? If you do, give this number a call, 202-456-1414. It's the White House switchboard. If you're shy, I can call them on your behalf. I look forward to hearing your evidence.
Yes, the electoral college, where you can win the presidency with a minority of the vote. The electoral college ensures that in Wyoming, there are 578,000 people and three electoral votes, which is equivalent to one electoral vote for every 190,000 voters. However, in California, there are about 40 million people and fifty-five electoral votes, which is equivalent to one for every 700,000 voters. And then there's the winner takes all aspect. When candidate A wins 55% of the vote in a state, the 45% of candidate B are disregarded when voting in the electoral college.
I didn’t say I had ‘proof’ of anything, just highlighting the integrity questions Trumps legal team have raised as their whole reason for calling the result into dispute - so don’t speak to me like a dick.
And yeah the electoral college system isn’t perfect but it was established to balance the states by population. Unless you’ve got something better up your sleeve it’s probably the best system for fair state representation in the election process that I can see. Otherwise the coastal states would dominate. That’s not particularly fair in my opinion. "So like Trump's legal team, you don't have any factual evidence? Your point has no foundation in truth, is that fair to say? States can abolish the winner takes all system, that wouldn't require an ammendment. So you prefer a system that is biased towards geography opposed to population? | |||
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"This is going to get interesting..... Yes let's welcome President Joe Biden who won by a landslide according to his opponent soon to be former President Trump, we can all look forward to brighter days ahead. Really? Things were so good under Obama and Biden last time that people went for Trump
Last time, Obama and Biden weren't an option. It was Clinton who, as I am sure you remember, clearly won the popular vote. The Americans electoral system is even worse than ours.
What’s wrong the electoral system in the US? The actual voting procedure is fucked. Postal voting is insecure thanks to untrustworthy postal services and there are questions being raised about electronic voting systems (I’m not interested in a debate here, just stating a point).
The electoral college system is actually quite a savvy way to ensure equal representation between states. I don’t understand how you could argue for anything else over there?
Do you have credible evidence to substantiate your 'point' regarding postal voting and electronic voting? If you do, give this number a call, 202-456-1414. It's the White House switchboard. If you're shy, I can call them on your behalf. I look forward to hearing your evidence.
Yes, the electoral college, where you can win the presidency with a minority of the vote. The electoral college ensures that in Wyoming, there are 578,000 people and three electoral votes, which is equivalent to one electoral vote for every 190,000 voters. However, in California, there are about 40 million people and fifty-five electoral votes, which is equivalent to one for every 700,000 voters. And then there's the winner takes all aspect. When candidate A wins 55% of the vote in a state, the 45% of candidate B are disregarded when voting in the electoral college.
I didn’t say I had ‘proof’ of anything, just highlighting the integrity questions Trumps legal team have raised as their whole reason for calling the result into dispute - so don’t speak to me like a dick.
And yeah the electoral college system isn’t perfect but it was established to balance the states by population. Unless you’ve got something better up your sleeve it’s probably the best system for fair state representation in the election process that I can see. Otherwise the coastal states would dominate. That’s not particularly fair in my opinion.
So like Trump's legal team, you don't have any factual evidence? Your point has no foundation in truth, is that fair to say?
States can abolish the winner takes all system, that wouldn't require an ammendment. So you prefer a system that is biased towards geography opposed to population?"My ‘point’ was that there are questions being raised about electric voting machines. That is a fact. Postal services are useless in the states (from personal experience and feedback aggregator sites too). I prefer a system in a constitutional republic where each member state has equal electoral power as opposed to population density yes. | |||
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"This is going to get interesting..... Yes let's welcome President Joe Biden who won by a landslide according to his opponent soon to be former President Trump, we can all look forward to brighter days ahead. Really? Things were so good under Obama and Biden last time that people went for Trump
Last time, Obama and Biden weren't an option. It was Clinton who, as I am sure you remember, clearly won the popular vote. The Americans electoral system is even worse than ours.
What’s wrong the electoral system in the US? The actual voting procedure is fucked. Postal voting is insecure thanks to untrustworthy postal services and there are questions being raised about electronic voting systems (I’m not interested in a debate here, just stating a point).
The electoral college system is actually quite a savvy way to ensure equal representation between states. I don’t understand how you could argue for anything else over there?
Do you have credible evidence to substantiate your 'point' regarding postal voting and electronic voting? If you do, give this number a call, 202-456-1414. It's the White House switchboard. If you're shy, I can call them on your behalf. I look forward to hearing your evidence.
Yes, the electoral college, where you can win the presidency with a minority of the vote. The electoral college ensures that in Wyoming, there are 578,000 people and three electoral votes, which is equivalent to one electoral vote for every 190,000 voters. However, in California, there are about 40 million people and fifty-five electoral votes, which is equivalent to one for every 700,000 voters. And then there's the winner takes all aspect. When candidate A wins 55% of the vote in a state, the 45% of candidate B are disregarded when voting in the electoral college.
I didn’t say I had ‘proof’ of anything, just highlighting the integrity questions Trumps legal team have raised as their whole reason for calling the result into dispute - so don’t speak to me like a dick.
And yeah the electoral college system isn’t perfect but it was established to balance the states by population. Unless you’ve got something better up your sleeve it’s probably the best system for fair state representation in the election process that I can see. Otherwise the coastal states would dominate. That’s not particularly fair in my opinion.
So like Trump's legal team, you don't have any factual evidence? Your point has no foundation in truth, is that fair to say?
States can abolish the winner takes all system, that wouldn't require an ammendment. So you prefer a system that is biased towards geography opposed to population?
My ‘point’ was that there are questions being raised about electric voting machines. That is a fact. Postal services are useless in the states (from personal experience and feedback aggregator sites too).
I prefer a system in a constitutional republic where each member state has equal electoral power as opposed to population density yes. "It's more accurate to say there had been no credible factual questions raised in this election cycle regarding electronic voting. Questions that have no credibility or basis in fact are at best a distraction and at worst a conspiracy theory. Similarly with regard to mail in voting, is there any credible fact based claims worth investigating. The one survey (REVIEW OF POSTAL SERVICE FY2013 PERFORMANCE REPORT AND FY 2014 PERFORMANCE PLAN) I have looked at regarding USPS customer satisfaction shows 79% of customers were happy with the service received. So in favouring geography, don't you encourage a tyranny. of the minority? | |||
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"This is going to get interesting..... Yes let's welcome President Joe Biden who won by a landslide according to his opponent soon to be former President Trump, we can all look forward to brighter days ahead. Really? Things were so good under Obama and Biden last time that people went for Trump
Last time, Obama and Biden weren't an option. It was Clinton who, as I am sure you remember, clearly won the popular vote. The Americans electoral system is even worse than ours.
What’s wrong the electoral system in the US? The actual voting procedure is fucked. Postal voting is insecure thanks to untrustworthy postal services and there are questions being raised about electronic voting systems (I’m not interested in a debate here, just stating a point).
The electoral college system is actually quite a savvy way to ensure equal representation between states. I don’t understand how you could argue for anything else over there?
Do you have credible evidence to substantiate your 'point' regarding postal voting and electronic voting? If you do, give this number a call, 202-456-1414. It's the White House switchboard. If you're shy, I can call them on your behalf. I look forward to hearing your evidence.
Yes, the electoral college, where you can win the presidency with a minority of the vote. The electoral college ensures that in Wyoming, there are 578,000 people and three electoral votes, which is equivalent to one electoral vote for every 190,000 voters. However, in California, there are about 40 million people and fifty-five electoral votes, which is equivalent to one for every 700,000 voters. And then there's the winner takes all aspect. When candidate A wins 55% of the vote in a state, the 45% of candidate B are disregarded when voting in the electoral college.
I didn’t say I had ‘proof’ of anything, just highlighting the integrity questions Trumps legal team have raised as their whole reason for calling the result into dispute - so don’t speak to me like a dick.
And yeah the electoral college system isn’t perfect but it was established to balance the states by population. Unless you’ve got something better up your sleeve it’s probably the best system for fair state representation in the election process that I can see. Otherwise the coastal states would dominate. That’s not particularly fair in my opinion.
So like Trump's legal team, you don't have any factual evidence? Your point has no foundation in truth, is that fair to say?
States can abolish the winner takes all system, that wouldn't require an ammendment. So you prefer a system that is biased towards geography opposed to population?
My ‘point’ was that there are questions being raised about electric voting machines. That is a fact. Postal services are useless in the states (from personal experience and feedback aggregator sites too).
I prefer a system in a constitutional republic where each member state has equal electoral power as opposed to population density yes.
It's more accurate to say there had been no credible factual questions raised in this election cycle regarding electronic voting. Questions that have no credibility or basis in fact are at best a distraction and at worst a conspiracy theory.
Similarly with regard to mail in voting, is there any credible fact based claims worth investigating.
The one survey (REVIEW OF POSTAL SERVICE FY2013 PERFORMANCE REPORT AND FY 2014 PERFORMANCE PLAN) I have looked at regarding USPS customer satisfaction shows 79% of customers were happy with the service received.
So in favouring geography, don't you encourage a tyranny. of the minority?"It’s a lot less than 79% when you take a look at review aggregators. But it’s by the by. In terms of your view on the tyranny of a minority - It’s an interesting way to view it but what is the other option? It’s a constitutional republic with democratic elements, not the other way around. It’s been designed from the ground up to maintain the state and the Union above all. In all seriousness how long would it be before isolated or low population states became antagonistic or openly hostile towards the government if they became disenfranchised? Or worse started withholding resources from those states with higher populations? Potentially secede? It’s not a simple problem to solve but I think the electoral college system takes a pretty good stab at it. | |||
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"This is going to get interesting..... Yes let's welcome President Joe Biden who won by a landslide according to his opponent soon to be former President Trump, we can all look forward to brighter days ahead. Really? Things were so good under Obama and Biden last time that people went for Trump
Last time, Obama and Biden weren't an option. It was Clinton who, as I am sure you remember, clearly won the popular vote. The Americans electoral system is even worse than ours.
What’s wrong the electoral system in the US? The actual voting procedure is fucked. Postal voting is insecure thanks to untrustworthy postal services and there are questions being raised about electronic voting systems (I’m not interested in a debate here, just stating a point).
The electoral college system is actually quite a savvy way to ensure equal representation between states. I don’t understand how you could argue for anything else over there?
Do you have credible evidence to substantiate your 'point' regarding postal voting and electronic voting? If you do, give this number a call, 202-456-1414. It's the White House switchboard. If you're shy, I can call them on your behalf. I look forward to hearing your evidence.
Yes, the electoral college, where you can win the presidency with a minority of the vote. The electoral college ensures that in Wyoming, there are 578,000 people and three electoral votes, which is equivalent to one electoral vote for every 190,000 voters. However, in California, there are about 40 million people and fifty-five electoral votes, which is equivalent to one for every 700,000 voters. And then there's the winner takes all aspect. When candidate A wins 55% of the vote in a state, the 45% of candidate B are disregarded when voting in the electoral college.
I didn’t say I had ‘proof’ of anything, just highlighting the integrity questions Trumps legal team have raised as their whole reason for calling the result into dispute - so don’t speak to me like a dick.
And yeah the electoral college system isn’t perfect but it was established to balance the states by population. Unless you’ve got something better up your sleeve it’s probably the best system for fair state representation in the election process that I can see. Otherwise the coastal states would dominate. That’s not particularly fair in my opinion.
So like Trump's legal team, you don't have any factual evidence? Your point has no foundation in truth, is that fair to say?
States can abolish the winner takes all system, that wouldn't require an ammendment. So you prefer a system that is biased towards geography opposed to population?
My ‘point’ was that there are questions being raised about electric voting machines. That is a fact. Postal services are useless in the states (from personal experience and feedback aggregator sites too).
I prefer a system in a constitutional republic where each member state has equal electoral power as opposed to population density yes.
It's more accurate to say there had been no credible factual questions raised in this election cycle regarding electronic voting. Questions that have no credibility or basis in fact are at best a distraction and at worst a conspiracy theory.
Similarly with regard to mail in voting, is there any credible fact based claims worth investigating.
The one survey (REVIEW OF POSTAL SERVICE FY2013 PERFORMANCE REPORT AND FY 2014 PERFORMANCE PLAN) I have looked at regarding USPS customer satisfaction shows 79% of customers were happy with the service received.
So in favouring geography, don't you encourage a tyranny. of the minority?
It’s a lot less than 79% when you take a look at review aggregators. But it’s by the by.
In terms of your view on the tyranny of a minority - It’s an interesting way to view it but what is the other option? It’s a constitutional republic with democratic elements, not the other way around. It’s been designed from the ground up to maintain the state and the Union above all. In all seriousness how long would it be before isolated or low population states became antagonistic or openly hostile towards the government if they became disenfranchised? Or worse started withholding resources from those states with higher populations? Potentially secede? It’s not a simple problem to solve but I think the electoral college system takes a pretty good stab at it. "Lol, we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas. I have already suggested that states eliminate the winner takes all approach when allocating EC votes. The preamble to the constitution states the intention was to form a more perfect union. It is meant to be work in progress, to use Washington's term America is a 'great experiment'. Not fixed for eternity. Is it right the minority overrules the majority backed by the threat of violence or secession. Would the reverse be fair? | |||
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"This is going to get interesting..... Yes let's welcome President Joe Biden who won by a landslide according to his opponent soon to be former President Trump, we can all look forward to brighter days ahead. Really? Things were so good under Obama and Biden last time that people went for Trump
Last time, Obama and Biden weren't an option. It was Clinton who, as I am sure you remember, clearly won the popular vote. The Americans electoral system is even worse than ours.
What’s wrong the electoral system in the US? The actual voting procedure is fucked. Postal voting is insecure thanks to untrustworthy postal services and there are questions being raised about electronic voting systems (I’m not interested in a debate here, just stating a point).
The electoral college system is actually quite a savvy way to ensure equal representation between states. I don’t understand how you could argue for anything else over there?
Do you have credible evidence to substantiate your 'point' regarding postal voting and electronic voting? If you do, give this number a call, 202-456-1414. It's the White House switchboard. If you're shy, I can call them on your behalf. I look forward to hearing your evidence.
Yes, the electoral college, where you can win the presidency with a minority of the vote. The electoral college ensures that in Wyoming, there are 578,000 people and three electoral votes, which is equivalent to one electoral vote for every 190,000 voters. However, in California, there are about 40 million people and fifty-five electoral votes, which is equivalent to one for every 700,000 voters. And then there's the winner takes all aspect. When candidate A wins 55% of the vote in a state, the 45% of candidate B are disregarded when voting in the electoral college.
I didn’t say I had ‘proof’ of anything, just highlighting the integrity questions Trumps legal team have raised as their whole reason for calling the result into dispute - so don’t speak to me like a dick.
And yeah the electoral college system isn’t perfect but it was established to balance the states by population. Unless you’ve got something better up your sleeve it’s probably the best system for fair state representation in the election process that I can see. Otherwise the coastal states would dominate. That’s not particularly fair in my opinion.
So like Trump's legal team, you don't have any factual evidence? Your point has no foundation in truth, is that fair to say?
States can abolish the winner takes all system, that wouldn't require an ammendment. So you prefer a system that is biased towards geography opposed to population?
My ‘point’ was that there are questions being raised about electric voting machines. That is a fact. Postal services are useless in the states (from personal experience and feedback aggregator sites too).
I prefer a system in a constitutional republic where each member state has equal electoral power as opposed to population density yes.
It's more accurate to say there had been no credible factual questions raised in this election cycle regarding electronic voting. Questions that have no credibility or basis in fact are at best a distraction and at worst a conspiracy theory.
Similarly with regard to mail in voting, is there any credible fact based claims worth investigating.
The one survey (REVIEW OF POSTAL SERVICE FY2013 PERFORMANCE REPORT AND FY 2014 PERFORMANCE PLAN) I have looked at regarding USPS customer satisfaction shows 79% of customers were happy with the service received.
So in favouring geography, don't you encourage a tyranny. of the minority?
It’s a lot less than 79% when you take a look at review aggregators. But it’s by the by.
In terms of your view on the tyranny of a minority - It’s an interesting way to view it but what is the other option? It’s a constitutional republic with democratic elements, not the other way around. It’s been designed from the ground up to maintain the state and the Union above all. In all seriousness how long would it be before isolated or low population states became antagonistic or openly hostile towards the government if they became disenfranchised? Or worse started withholding resources from those states with higher populations? Potentially secede? It’s not a simple problem to solve but I think the electoral college system takes a pretty good stab at it.
Lol, we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas. I have already suggested that states eliminate the winner takes all approach when allocating EC votes.
The preamble to the constitution states the intention was to form a more perfect union. It is meant to be work in progress, to use Washington's term America is a 'great experiment'. Not fixed for eternity.
Is it right the minority overrules the majority backed by the threat of violence or secession. Would the reverse be fair?"Is it right that the majority dominates the minority based purely on population density then? When smaller states that have infrastructures that feed or manufacture for the larger more cosmopolitan ones? It’s supposed to be a reciprocal relationship between the states. One can’t exist without the other (unless it goes full Hunger Games and larger states brutalise the smaller). That relationship would have to fall down if the smaller states weren’t getting equal representation in elections. If there are other reforms that can take place without losing their equal standing then they’re welcome to try. As you say the US was founded as an experiment after all. But I don’t see the republic lasting if you strip the central and mid western states of their electoral power. Doesn’t really matter if you or I think it’s fair or not. | |||
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"Not so much the count it's the protests." ahhh! those the urban dictionary defines as voteflakes and Trump-fluffers then | |||
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"This is going to get interesting.....It has got boring You so haven’t listened to the tape yet have you..... Heck, in the spirit of bipartisanship... I’ll even buy you some popcorn to munch on whilst listening...... I am just awaiting for them to defend the indefensible........ First person to say he was being sarcastic wins an extra special prize....... boot licker.. lol" Fabio, have you read any of the Maajid Nawaz reporting on Twitter of the election, and all the disputes that followed? If you have followed him, would be interested to get your take on his views . | |||
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"This is going to get interesting..... Yes let's welcome President Joe Biden who won by a landslide according to his opponent soon to be former President Trump, we can all look forward to brighter days ahead. Really? Things were so good under Obama and Biden last time that people went for Trump
Last time, Obama and Biden weren't an option. It was Clinton who, as I am sure you remember, clearly won the popular vote. The Americans electoral system is even worse than ours.
What’s wrong the electoral system in the US? The actual voting procedure is fucked. Postal voting is insecure thanks to untrustworthy postal services and there are questions being raised about electronic voting systems (I’m not interested in a debate here, just stating a point).
The electoral college system is actually quite a savvy way to ensure equal representation between states. I don’t understand how you could argue for anything else over there?
Do you have credible evidence to substantiate your 'point' regarding postal voting and electronic voting? If you do, give this number a call, 202-456-1414. It's the White House switchboard. If you're shy, I can call them on your behalf. I look forward to hearing your evidence.
Yes, the electoral college, where you can win the presidency with a minority of the vote. The electoral college ensures that in Wyoming, there are 578,000 people and three electoral votes, which is equivalent to one electoral vote for every 190,000 voters. However, in California, there are about 40 million people and fifty-five electoral votes, which is equivalent to one for every 700,000 voters. And then there's the winner takes all aspect. When candidate A wins 55% of the vote in a state, the 45% of candidate B are disregarded when voting in the electoral college.
I didn’t say I had ‘proof’ of anything, just highlighting the integrity questions Trumps legal team have raised as their whole reason for calling the result into dispute - so don’t speak to me like a dick.
And yeah the electoral college system isn’t perfect but it was established to balance the states by population. Unless you’ve got something better up your sleeve it’s probably the best system for fair state representation in the election process that I can see. Otherwise the coastal states would dominate. That’s not particularly fair in my opinion.
So like Trump's legal team, you don't have any factual evidence? Your point has no foundation in truth, is that fair to say?
States can abolish the winner takes all system, that wouldn't require an ammendment. So you prefer a system that is biased towards geography opposed to population?
My ‘point’ was that there are questions being raised about electric voting machines. That is a fact. Postal services are useless in the states (from personal experience and feedback aggregator sites too).
I prefer a system in a constitutional republic where each member state has equal electoral power as opposed to population density yes.
It's more accurate to say there had been no credible factual questions raised in this election cycle regarding electronic voting. Questions that have no credibility or basis in fact are at best a distraction and at worst a conspiracy theory.
Similarly with regard to mail in voting, is there any credible fact based claims worth investigating.
The one survey (REVIEW OF POSTAL SERVICE FY2013 PERFORMANCE REPORT AND FY 2014 PERFORMANCE PLAN) I have looked at regarding USPS customer satisfaction shows 79% of customers were happy with the service received.
So in favouring geography, don't you encourage a tyranny. of the minority?
It’s a lot less than 79% when you take a look at review aggregators. But it’s by the by.
In terms of your view on the tyranny of a minority - It’s an interesting way to view it but what is the other option? It’s a constitutional republic with democratic elements, not the other way around. It’s been designed from the ground up to maintain the state and the Union above all. In all seriousness how long would it be before isolated or low population states became antagonistic or openly hostile towards the government if they became disenfranchised? Or worse started withholding resources from those states with higher populations? Potentially secede? It’s not a simple problem to solve but I think the electoral college system takes a pretty good stab at it.
Lol, we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas. I have already suggested that states eliminate the winner takes all approach when allocating EC votes.
The preamble to the constitution states the intention was to form a more perfect union. It is meant to be work in progress, to use Washington's term America is a 'great experiment'. Not fixed for eternity.
Is it right the minority overrules the majority backed by the threat of violence or secession. Would the reverse be fair?
Is it right that the majority dominates the minority based purely on population density then? When smaller states that have infrastructures that feed or manufacture for the larger more cosmopolitan ones? It’s supposed to be a reciprocal relationship between the states. One can’t exist without the other (unless it goes full Hunger Games and larger states brutalise the smaller). That relationship would have to fall down if the smaller states weren’t getting equal representation in elections. If there are other reforms that can take place without losing their equal standing then they’re welcome to try. As you say the US was founded as an experiment after all. But I don’t see the republic lasting if you strip the central and mid western states of their electoral power. Doesn’t really matter if you or I think it’s fair or not. "You are right need to figure out a better way. I don't think the electoral college is a fair system . Practically our whole state voted red. Only certain countries voted blue. Biden won the popular vote in those counties with more population density. Example https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/pennsylvania/ | |||
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"This is going to get interesting.....It has got boring You so haven’t listened to the tape yet have you..... Heck, in the spirit of bipartisanship... I’ll even buy you some popcorn to munch on whilst listening...... I am just awaiting for them to defend the indefensible........ First person to say he was being sarcastic wins an extra special prize....... boot licker.. lol Fabio, have you read any of the Maajid Nawaz reporting on Twitter of the election, and all the disputes that followed? If you have followed him, would be interested to get your take on his views ." I’ve followed maajid for years. It’s disconcerting seeing his followers turn on him for trying to report the naked facts | |||
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"This is going to get interesting.....It has got boring You so haven’t listened to the tape yet have you..... Heck, in the spirit of bipartisanship... I’ll even buy you some popcorn to munch on whilst listening...... I am just awaiting for them to defend the indefensible........ First person to say he was being sarcastic wins an extra special prize....... boot licker.. lol Fabio, have you read any of the Maajid Nawaz reporting on Twitter of the election, and all the disputes that followed? If you have followed him, would be interested to get your take on his views ." No... I don’t follow him... what did he say.... | |||
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" You are right need to figure out a better way. I don't think the electoral college is a fair system . Practically our whole state voted red. Only certain countries voted blue. Biden won the popular vote in those counties with more population density. Example https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/pennsylvania/" See putting it like that isn’t really fair either..... maybe it’s better to say the more rural parts of the state voted red... but the more urban parts voted blue.... Same thing happens in Michigan.... urban Detroit and the larger college towns vote blue.... the rural parts voted red.... | |||
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"This is going to get interesting..... Yes let's welcome President Joe Biden who won by a landslide according to his opponent soon to be former President Trump, we can all look forward to brighter days ahead. Really? Things were so good under Obama and Biden last time that people went for Trump
Last time, Obama and Biden weren't an option. It was Clinton who, as I am sure you remember, clearly won the popular vote. The Americans electoral system is even worse than ours.
What’s wrong the electoral system in the US? The actual voting procedure is fucked. Postal voting is insecure thanks to untrustworthy postal services and there are questions being raised about electronic voting systems (I’m not interested in a debate here, just stating a point).
The electoral college system is actually quite a savvy way to ensure equal representation between states. I don’t understand how you could argue for anything else over there?
Do you have credible evidence to substantiate your 'point' regarding postal voting and electronic voting? If you do, give this number a call, 202-456-1414. It's the White House switchboard. If you're shy, I can call them on your behalf. I look forward to hearing your evidence.
Yes, the electoral college, where you can win the presidency with a minority of the vote. The electoral college ensures that in Wyoming, there are 578,000 people and three electoral votes, which is equivalent to one electoral vote for every 190,000 voters. However, in California, there are about 40 million people and fifty-five electoral votes, which is equivalent to one for every 700,000 voters. And then there's the winner takes all aspect. When candidate A wins 55% of the vote in a state, the 45% of candidate B are disregarded when voting in the electoral college.
I didn’t say I had ‘proof’ of anything, just highlighting the integrity questions Trumps legal team have raised as their whole reason for calling the result into dispute - so don’t speak to me like a dick.
And yeah the electoral college system isn’t perfect but it was established to balance the states by population. Unless you’ve got something better up your sleeve it’s probably the best system for fair state representation in the election process that I can see. Otherwise the coastal states would dominate. That’s not particularly fair in my opinion.
So like Trump's legal team, you don't have any factual evidence? Your point has no foundation in truth, is that fair to say?
States can abolish the winner takes all system, that wouldn't require an ammendment. So you prefer a system that is biased towards geography opposed to population?
My ‘point’ was that there are questions being raised about electric voting machines. That is a fact. Postal services are useless in the states (from personal experience and feedback aggregator sites too).
I prefer a system in a constitutional republic where each member state has equal electoral power as opposed to population density yes.
It's more accurate to say there had been no credible factual questions raised in this election cycle regarding electronic voting. Questions that have no credibility or basis in fact are at best a distraction and at worst a conspiracy theory.
Similarly with regard to mail in voting, is there any credible fact based claims worth investigating.
The one survey (REVIEW OF POSTAL SERVICE FY2013 PERFORMANCE REPORT AND FY 2014 PERFORMANCE PLAN) I have looked at regarding USPS customer satisfaction shows 79% of customers were happy with the service received.
So in favouring geography, don't you encourage a tyranny. of the minority?
It’s a lot less than 79% when you take a look at review aggregators. But it’s by the by.
In terms of your view on the tyranny of a minority - It’s an interesting way to view it but what is the other option? It’s a constitutional republic with democratic elements, not the other way around. It’s been designed from the ground up to maintain the state and the Union above all. In all seriousness how long would it be before isolated or low population states became antagonistic or openly hostile towards the government if they became disenfranchised? Or worse started withholding resources from those states with higher populations? Potentially secede? It’s not a simple problem to solve but I think the electoral college system takes a pretty good stab at it.
Lol, we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas. I have already suggested that states eliminate the winner takes all approach when allocating EC votes.
The preamble to the constitution states the intention was to form a more perfect union. It is meant to be work in progress, to use Washington's term America is a 'great experiment'. Not fixed for eternity.
Is it right the minority overrules the majority backed by the threat of violence or secession. Would the reverse be fair?
Is it right that the majority dominates the minority based purely on population density then? When smaller states that have infrastructures that feed or manufacture for the larger more cosmopolitan ones? It’s supposed to be a reciprocal relationship between the states. One can’t exist without the other (unless it goes full Hunger Games and larger states brutalise the smaller). That relationship would have to fall down if the smaller states weren’t getting equal representation in elections. If there are other reforms that can take place without losing their equal standing then they’re welcome to try. As you say the US was founded as an experiment after all. But I don’t see the republic lasting if you strip the central and mid western states of their electoral power. Doesn’t really matter if you or I think it’s fair or not.
You are right need to figure out a better way. I don't think the electoral college is a fair system . Practically our whole state voted red. Only certain countries voted blue. Biden won the popular vote in those counties with more population density.
Example
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/pennsylvania/"So geographical area should take precedence over population? | |||
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"This is going to get interesting..... Yes let's welcome President Joe Biden who won by a landslide according to his opponent soon to be former President Trump, we can all look forward to brighter days ahead. Really? Things were so good under Obama and Biden last time that people went for Trump
Last time, Obama and Biden weren't an option. It was Clinton who, as I am sure you remember, clearly won the popular vote. The Americans electoral system is even worse than ours.
What’s wrong the electoral system in the US? The actual voting procedure is fucked. Postal voting is insecure thanks to untrustworthy postal services and there are questions being raised about electronic voting systems (I’m not interested in a debate here, just stating a point).
The electoral college system is actually quite a savvy way to ensure equal representation between states. I don’t understand how you could argue for anything else over there?
Do you have credible evidence to substantiate your 'point' regarding postal voting and electronic voting? If you do, give this number a call, 202-456-1414. It's the White House switchboard. If you're shy, I can call them on your behalf. I look forward to hearing your evidence.
Yes, the electoral college, where you can win the presidency with a minority of the vote. The electoral college ensures that in Wyoming, there are 578,000 people and three electoral votes, which is equivalent to one electoral vote for every 190,000 voters. However, in California, there are about 40 million people and fifty-five electoral votes, which is equivalent to one for every 700,000 voters. And then there's the winner takes all aspect. When candidate A wins 55% of the vote in a state, the 45% of candidate B are disregarded when voting in the electoral college.
I didn’t say I had ‘proof’ of anything, just highlighting the integrity questions Trumps legal team have raised as their whole reason for calling the result into dispute - so don’t speak to me like a dick.
And yeah the electoral college system isn’t perfect but it was established to balance the states by population. Unless you’ve got something better up your sleeve it’s probably the best system for fair state representation in the election process that I can see. Otherwise the coastal states would dominate. That’s not particularly fair in my opinion.
So like Trump's legal team, you don't have any factual evidence? Your point has no foundation in truth, is that fair to say?
States can abolish the winner takes all system, that wouldn't require an ammendment. So you prefer a system that is biased towards geography opposed to population?
My ‘point’ was that there are questions being raised about electric voting machines. That is a fact. Postal services are useless in the states (from personal experience and feedback aggregator sites too).
I prefer a system in a constitutional republic where each member state has equal electoral power as opposed to population density yes.
It's more accurate to say there had been no credible factual questions raised in this election cycle regarding electronic voting. Questions that have no credibility or basis in fact are at best a distraction and at worst a conspiracy theory.
Similarly with regard to mail in voting, is there any credible fact based claims worth investigating.
The one survey (REVIEW OF POSTAL SERVICE FY2013 PERFORMANCE REPORT AND FY 2014 PERFORMANCE PLAN) I have looked at regarding USPS customer satisfaction shows 79% of customers were happy with the service received.
So in favouring geography, don't you encourage a tyranny. of the minority?
It’s a lot less than 79% when you take a look at review aggregators. But it’s by the by.
In terms of your view on the tyranny of a minority - It’s an interesting way to view it but what is the other option? It’s a constitutional republic with democratic elements, not the other way around. It’s been designed from the ground up to maintain the state and the Union above all. In all seriousness how long would it be before isolated or low population states became antagonistic or openly hostile towards the government if they became disenfranchised? Or worse started withholding resources from those states with higher populations? Potentially secede? It’s not a simple problem to solve but I think the electoral college system takes a pretty good stab at it.
Lol, we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas. I have already suggested that states eliminate the winner takes all approach when allocating EC votes.
The preamble to the constitution states the intention was to form a more perfect union. It is meant to be work in progress, to use Washington's term America is a 'great experiment'. Not fixed for eternity.
Is it right the minority overrules the majority backed by the threat of violence or secession. Would the reverse be fair?
Is it right that the majority dominates the minority based purely on population density then? When smaller states that have infrastructures that feed or manufacture for the larger more cosmopolitan ones? It’s supposed to be a reciprocal relationship between the states. One can’t exist without the other (unless it goes full Hunger Games and larger states brutalise the smaller). That relationship would have to fall down if the smaller states weren’t getting equal representation in elections. If there are other reforms that can take place without losing their equal standing then they’re welcome to try. As you say the US was founded as an experiment after all. But I don’t see the republic lasting if you strip the central and mid western states of their electoral power. Doesn’t really matter if you or I think it’s fair or not.
You are right need to figure out a better way. I don't think the electoral college is a fair system . Practically our whole state voted red. Only certain countries voted blue. Biden won the popular vote in those counties with more population density.
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"This is going to get interesting..... Yes let's welcome President Joe Biden who won by a landslide according to his opponent soon to be former President Trump, we can all look forward to brighter days ahead. Really? Things were so good under Obama and Biden last time that people went for Trump
Last time, Obama and Biden weren't an option. It was Clinton who, as I am sure you remember, clearly won the popular vote. The Americans electoral system is even worse than ours.
What’s wrong the electoral system in the US? The actual voting procedure is fucked. Postal voting is insecure thanks to untrustworthy postal services and there are questions being raised about electronic voting systems (I’m not interested in a debate here, just stating a point).
The electoral college system is actually quite a savvy way to ensure equal representation between states. I don’t understand how you could argue for anything else over there?
Do you have credible evidence to substantiate your 'point' regarding postal voting and electronic voting? If you do, give this number a call, 202-456-1414. It's the White House switchboard. If you're shy, I can call them on your behalf. I look forward to hearing your evidence.
Yes, the electoral college, where you can win the presidency with a minority of the vote. The electoral college ensures that in Wyoming, there are 578,000 people and three electoral votes, which is equivalent to one electoral vote for every 190,000 voters. However, in California, there are about 40 million people and fifty-five electoral votes, which is equivalent to one for every 700,000 voters. And then there's the winner takes all aspect. When candidate A wins 55% of the vote in a state, the 45% of candidate B are disregarded when voting in the electoral college.
I didn’t say I had ‘proof’ of anything, just highlighting the integrity questions Trumps legal team have raised as their whole reason for calling the result into dispute - so don’t speak to me like a dick.
And yeah the electoral college system isn’t perfect but it was established to balance the states by population. Unless you’ve got something better up your sleeve it’s probably the best system for fair state representation in the election process that I can see. Otherwise the coastal states would dominate. That’s not particularly fair in my opinion.
So like Trump's legal team, you don't have any factual evidence? Your point has no foundation in truth, is that fair to say?
States can abolish the winner takes all system, that wouldn't require an ammendment. So you prefer a system that is biased towards geography opposed to population?
My ‘point’ was that there are questions being raised about electric voting machines. That is a fact. Postal services are useless in the states (from personal experience and feedback aggregator sites too).
I prefer a system in a constitutional republic where each member state has equal electoral power as opposed to population density yes.
It's more accurate to say there had been no credible factual questions raised in this election cycle regarding electronic voting. Questions that have no credibility or basis in fact are at best a distraction and at worst a conspiracy theory.
Similarly with regard to mail in voting, is there any credible fact based claims worth investigating.
The one survey (REVIEW OF POSTAL SERVICE FY2013 PERFORMANCE REPORT AND FY 2014 PERFORMANCE PLAN) I have looked at regarding USPS customer satisfaction shows 79% of customers were happy with the service received.
So in favouring geography, don't you encourage a tyranny. of the minority?
It’s a lot less than 79% when you take a look at review aggregators. But it’s by the by.
In terms of your view on the tyranny of a minority - It’s an interesting way to view it but what is the other option? It’s a constitutional republic with democratic elements, not the other way around. It’s been designed from the ground up to maintain the state and the Union above all. In all seriousness how long would it be before isolated or low population states became antagonistic or openly hostile towards the government if they became disenfranchised? Or worse started withholding resources from those states with higher populations? Potentially secede? It’s not a simple problem to solve but I think the electoral college system takes a pretty good stab at it.
Lol, we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas. I have already suggested that states eliminate the winner takes all approach when allocating EC votes.
The preamble to the constitution states the intention was to form a more perfect union. It is meant to be work in progress, to use Washington's term America is a 'great experiment'. Not fixed for eternity.
Is it right the minority overrules the majority backed by the threat of violence or secession. Would the reverse be fair?
Is it right that the majority dominates the minority based purely on population density then? When smaller states that have infrastructures that feed or manufacture for the larger more cosmopolitan ones? It’s supposed to be a reciprocal relationship between the states. One can’t exist without the other (unless it goes full Hunger Games and larger states brutalise the smaller). That relationship would have to fall down if the smaller states weren’t getting equal representation in elections. If there are other reforms that can take place without losing their equal standing then they’re welcome to try. As you say the US was founded as an experiment after all. But I don’t see the republic lasting if you strip the central and mid western states of their electoral power. Doesn’t really matter if you or I think it’s fair or not.
You are right need to figure out a better way. I don't think the electoral college is a fair system . Practically our whole state voted red. Only certain countries voted blue. Biden won the popular vote in those counties with more population density.
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https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/pennsylvania/
So geographical area should take precedence over population?
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"That's one of the issues. It be more fair if ec votes went by districts or counties according to the popular vote in those areas. Not all 20 at once going to one canidate. When we vote it is tallied by counties then state. The same should be for the ec." Wouldn't that disproportionately have a bigger impact on Black voters which tend to be in the cities? | |||
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"That's one of the issues. It be more fair if ec votes went by districts or counties according to the popular vote in those areas. Not all 20 at once going to one canidate. When we vote it is tallied by counties then state. The same should be for the ec. Wouldn't that disproportionately have a bigger impact on Black voters which tend to be in the cities? " How so there is bigger population counts in major cities. Just the same as EC across the states. Pa. Has 20 compared like maine who has 4. So in the same respect how does pennsylvania out rule maine ec. Crazy isn't it | |||
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"That's one of the issues. It be more fair if ec votes went by districts or counties according to the popular vote in those areas. Not all 20 at once going to one canidate. When we vote it is tallied by counties then state. The same should be for the ec. Wouldn't that disproportionately have a bigger impact on Black voters which tend to be in the cities? How so there is bigger population counts in major cities. Just the same as EC across the states. Pa. Has 20 compared like maine who has 4. So in the same respect how does pennsylvania out rule maine ec. Crazy isn't it " But if you're going to distribute EC votes by area and the black population is heavily concentrated in smaller geographical areas, doesn't that mean that the smaller population distributed over a larger area has disproportionate outsized number of EC votes? | |||
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"That's one of the issues. It be more fair if ec votes went by districts or counties according to the popular vote in those areas. Not all 20 at once going to one canidate. When we vote it is tallied by counties then state. The same should be for the ec. Wouldn't that disproportionately have a bigger impact on Black voters which tend to be in the cities? How so there is bigger population counts in major cities. Just the same as EC across the states. Pa. Has 20 compared like maine who has 4. So in the same respect how does pennsylvania out rule maine ec. Crazy isn't it But if you're going to distribute EC votes by area and the black population is heavily concentrated in smaller geographical areas, doesn't that mean that the smaller population distributed over a larger area has disproportionate outsized number of EC votes?" Ec votes should be distributed according to voter registration. Not a winner take all. A voter is a voter not a racial undertone. Plenty of black people vote I don't get your point on the black vote. In retrospect what about the hispanic vote or the korean and Chinese vote. A voter is a voter don't you think ? | |||
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"That's one of the issues. It be more fair if ec votes went by districts or counties according to the popular vote in those areas. Not all 20 at once going to one canidate. When we vote it is tallied by counties then state. The same should be for the ec. Wouldn't that disproportionately have a bigger impact on Black voters which tend to be in the cities? How so there is bigger population counts in major cities. Just the same as EC across the states. Pa. Has 20 compared like maine who has 4. So in the same respect how does pennsylvania out rule maine ec. Crazy isn't it But if you're going to distribute EC votes by area and the black population is heavily concentrated in smaller geographical areas, doesn't that mean that the smaller population distributed over a larger area has disproportionate outsized number of EC votes? Ec votes should be distributed according to voter registration. Not a winner take all. A voter is a voter not a racial undertone. Plenty of black people vote I don't get your point on the black vote. In retrospect what about the hispanic vote or the korean and Chinese vote. A voter is a voter don't you think ? " So would a more equitable and representative suggestion to be that winner takes all is put aside and the state's EC votes are shared between the candidates share of the state vote? | |||
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"Counties or districts should have their ec votes according to population counts. Philadelphia as a example should get more then where we live. How can Rural areas compete with larger cities if it's a winner take all ? Shouldn't the rural areas have their own ec vote not just the state. This is the problem with the EC vote. The popular vote is what should count not the EC. Overall state counts. Ec is antiquated." So if you distribute EC votes by area, doesn't give give areas of lower population density greater electoral power than an area of high population density? | |||
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"Counties or districts should have their ec votes according to population counts. Philadelphia as a example should get more then where we live. How can Rural areas compete with larger cities if it's a winner take all ? Shouldn't the rural areas have their own ec vote not just the state. This is the problem with the EC vote. The popular vote is what should count not the EC. Overall state counts. Ec is antiquated. So if you distribute EC votes by area, doesn't give give areas of lower population density greater electoral power than an area of high population density?" No you give a higher density county more ec votes.like they do state wise. But breaking the state vote to a county or district level instead of state. | |||
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"Counties or districts should have their ec votes according to population counts. Philadelphia as a example should get more then where we live. How can Rural areas compete with larger cities if it's a winner take all ? Shouldn't the rural areas have their own ec vote not just the state. This is the problem with the EC vote. The popular vote is what should count not the EC. Overall state counts. Ec is antiquated. So if you distribute EC votes by area, doesn't give give areas of lower population density greater electoral power than an area of high population density? No you give a higher density county more ec votes.like they do state wise. But breaking the state vote to a county or district level instead of state." And then when the state's EC votes are counted, how is the winner decided? Winner takes all? | |||
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"National guard activated in DC." Nothing will happen, Trump fanatics are cowards | |||
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"National guard activated in DC." Basically trump is going to use it as an excuse to try to use the insurrection act to preform his coup.... It’s a move to bait out the lefties ... so the far right groups can go out a start trouble | |||
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"fred perry shares have tanked again " The proud boys group are going to end up killing the company | |||
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"National guard activated in DC. Basically trump is going to use it as an excuse to try to use the insurrection act to preform his coup.... It’s a move to bait out the lefties ... so the far right groups can go out a start trouble " The National Guard has been activated because the MAGA folks are taking their guns to town. | |||
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"National guard activated in DC. Basically trump is going to use it as an excuse to try to use the insurrection act to preform his coup.... It’s a move to bait out the lefties ... so the far right groups can go out a start trouble The National Guard has been activated because the MAGA folks are taking their guns to town." DC is a no guns in public city... it’s mayor bowser who activated the national guard, and is pleading with Biden supporters to stay home Trump and his minions have jurisdiction over federal property... which are the ones he used back in the summer for his church photo op... | |||
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"Counties or districts should have their ec votes according to population counts. Philadelphia as a example should get more then where we live. How can Rural areas compete with larger cities if it's a winner take all ? Shouldn't the rural areas have their own ec vote not just the state. This is the problem with the EC vote. The popular vote is what should count not the EC. Overall state counts. Ec is antiquated. So if you distribute EC votes by area, doesn't give give areas of lower population density greater electoral power than an area of high population density? No you give a higher density county more ec votes.like they do state wise. But breaking the state vote to a county or district level instead of state. And then when the state's EC votes are counted, how is the winner decided? Winner takes all?" https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/05/politics/pennsylvania-state-senate-gop/index.html Let the chaos begin. | |||
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"Counties or districts should have their ec votes according to population counts. Philadelphia as a example should get more then where we live. How can Rural areas compete with larger cities if it's a winner take all ? Shouldn't the rural areas have their own ec vote not just the state. This is the problem with the EC vote. The popular vote is what should count not the EC. Overall state counts. Ec is antiquated." Totally agree. Hillary would have been the incumbent President and we would never have had Trump! | |||
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"Counties or districts should have their ec votes according to population counts. Philadelphia as a example should get more then where we live. How can Rural areas compete with larger cities if it's a winner take all ? Shouldn't the rural areas have their own ec vote not just the state. This is the problem with the EC vote. The popular vote is what should count not the EC. Overall state counts. Ec is antiquated. Totally agree. Hillary would have been the incumbent President and we would never have had Trump! "And now the state senators won't seat a Dem senator forcing Pa. Supreme court to listen to voter fraud issue. | |||
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"National guard activated in DC. Basically trump is going to use it as an excuse to try to use the insurrection act to preform his coup.... It’s a move to bait out the lefties ... so the far right groups can go out a start trouble The National Guard has been activated because the MAGA folks are taking their guns to town. DC is a no guns in public city... it’s mayor bowser who activated the national guard, and is pleading with Biden supporters to stay home Trump and his minions have jurisdiction over federal property... which are the ones he used back in the summer for his church photo op..." As another aside the head of the proud boys has been arrested and is currently in jail..... He was charged from an incident from the last trump DC protest for vandalism of BLM stuff... problem and stupidity for him was that the stuff he vandalised was put up by and was outside on the property of probably the most historic black church in Washington.... ouch! Also got caught coming into DC with loads of guns and ammunition.... which has gotten him more charges.... | |||
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"National guard activated in DC. Basically trump is going to use it as an excuse to try to use the insurrection act to preform his coup.... It’s a move to bait out the lefties ... so the far right groups can go out a start trouble The National Guard has been activated because the MAGA folks are taking their guns to town. DC is a no guns in public city... it’s mayor bowser who activated the national guard, and is pleading with Biden supporters to stay home Trump and his minions have jurisdiction over federal property... which are the ones he used back in the summer for his church photo op... As another aside the head of the proud boys has been arrested and is currently in jail..... He was charged from an incident from the last trump DC protest for vandalism of BLM stuff... problem and stupidity for him was that the stuff he vandalised was put up by and was outside on the property of probably the most historic black church in Washington.... ouch! Also got caught coming into DC with loads of guns and ammunition.... which has gotten him more charges...." Isn't their leader a black guy? | |||
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"afro-cuban heritage is how he describes himself. it appears his parents and grand parents were from the exiled far right batista cuban comunity" Blimey, its a right melting pot over there!  | |||
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"Not so much the count it's the protests." There was trouble in DC last night between trump supporters and the police last night..... we shall see what happens today | |||
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"seems that the trump rally has turned into a rampage as the trump supporters storm the Cannon House building attack the police. the building is currently being evacuated of staff according to reports" Reminds me of blm protests and antifa protests. | |||
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"seems that the trump rally has turned into a rampage as the trump supporters storm the Cannon House building attack the police. the building is currently being evacuated of staff according to reports Reminds me of blm protests and antifa protests." Colour me unsurprised that Republicans can't even bring themselves to say that an actual attempt to stop democracy is wrong. | |||
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"seems that the trump rally has turned into a rampage as the trump supporters storm the Cannon House building attack the police. the building is currently being evacuated of staff according to reports Reminds me of blm protests and antifa protests. Colour me unsurprised that Republicans can't even bring themselves to say that an actual attempt to stop democracy is wrong. " They have a right to protest just like any other protest. | |||
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"seems that the trump rally has turned into a rampage as the trump supporters storm the Cannon House building attack the police. the building is currently being evacuated of staff according to reports Reminds me of blm protests and antifa protests. Colour me unsurprised that Republicans can't even bring themselves to say that an actual attempt to stop democracy is wrong. They have a right to protest just like any other protest." Tru-moaners are having a hard time dealing with there man Losing Poor Ickle Snowflakes | |||
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"seems that the trump rally has turned into a rampage as the trump supporters storm the Cannon House building attack the police. the building is currently being evacuated of staff according to reports Reminds me of blm protests and antifa protests. Colour me unsurprised that Republicans can't even bring themselves to say that an actual attempt to stop democracy is wrong. They have a right to protest just like any other protest. Tru-moaners are having a hard time dealing with there man Losing Poor Ickle Snowflakes" I guess they are. | |||
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"seems that the trump rally has turned into a rampage as the trump supporters storm the Cannon House building attack the police. the building is currently being evacuated of staff according to reports Reminds me of blm protests and antifa protests. Colour me unsurprised that Republicans can't even bring themselves to say that an actual attempt to stop democracy is wrong. They have a right to protest just like any other protest." Protesting by attacking the police and trying to subvert democracy. Uh huh. I'm sure if this was the dreaded anti-fa you'd support their right to do this  | |||
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"seems that the trump rally has turned into a rampage as the trump supporters storm the Cannon House building attack the police. the building is currently being evacuated of staff according to reports Reminds me of blm protests and antifa protests. Colour me unsurprised that Republicans can't even bring themselves to say that an actual attempt to stop democracy is wrong. They have a right to protest just like any other protest. Tru-moaners are having a hard time dealing with there man Losing Poor Ickle Snowflakes I guess they are. " Tonight probably be interesting. | |||
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"This is of course what happens when a "President" spends weeks telling people an election is rigged, with no evidence, and riles people up. And virtually no Republicans lifted a finger to stop him. What an absolutely awful party. " Mcconnell condemned and pence condemned it. So your point ? | |||
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"seems that the trump rally has turned into a rampage as the trump supporters storm the Cannon House building attack the police. the building is currently being evacuated of staff according to reports Reminds me of blm protests and antifa protests." it does doesn't it. USA outwardly seems an incredibly violent place especially politicaly. quite a lot like some other countries on the news such as iraq, south africa or uganda in lots of ways. shame really as it has a bit of potential to be a nice country if peace broke out. | |||
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"seems that the trump rally has turned into a rampage as the trump supporters storm the Cannon House building attack the police. the building is currently being evacuated of staff according to reports Reminds me of blm protests and antifa protests. Colour me unsurprised that Republicans can't even bring themselves to say that an actual attempt to stop democracy is wrong. They have a right to protest just like any other protest. Tru-moaners are having a hard time dealing with there man Losing Poor Ickle Snowflakes I guess they are. Tonight probably be interesting." Nothing will happen, the Trump fanatics are cowards, there will be little or no violence, the turn out is pathetic | |||
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"seems that the trump rally has turned into a rampage as the trump supporters storm the Cannon House building attack the police. the building is currently being evacuated of staff according to reports Reminds me of blm protests and antifa protests. it does doesn't it. USA outwardly seems an incredibly violent place especially politicaly. quite a lot like some other countries on the news such as iraq, south africa or uganda in lots of ways. shame really as it has a bit of potential to be a nice country if peace broke out." It would be a nice country if we stop defense spending and sending money to foreign countries. Let other countries take care of their own. It's the perfect solution. | |||
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"This is of course what happens when a "President" spends weeks telling people an election is rigged, with no evidence, and riles people up. And virtually no Republicans lifted a finger to stop him. What an absolutely awful party. Mcconnell condemned and pence condemned it. So your point ?" The point is Trump has created this situation. | |||
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"Shits going down.... wow... Crazy" A few toothless imbeciles wearing cowboy hats and waving flags, they are pathetic . | |||
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"trumps phrase "third world shit hole" springs to mind" not that it is, i'm merely saying his words seem to have come back to haunt him. | |||
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"This is of course what happens when a "President" spends weeks telling people an election is rigged, with no evidence, and riles people up. And virtually no Republicans lifted a finger to stop him. What an absolutely awful party. Mcconnell condemned and pence condemned it. So your point ? The point is Trump has created this situation." Like BLM and antifa it's ok for them to protest like this. Portland still having same issues. | |||
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"This is of course what happens when a "President" spends weeks telling people an election is rigged, with no evidence, and riles people up. And virtually no Republicans lifted a finger to stop him. What an absolutely awful party. Mcconnell condemned and pence condemned it. So your point ? The point is Trump has created this situation. Like BLM and antifa it's ok for them to protest like this. Portland still having same issues." no it's not ok. violence isn't ok. the people aren't happy and are shooting stabbing and battering each other with blunt instruments. it's beyond bizarre | |||
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"This is of course what happens when a "President" spends weeks telling people an election is rigged, with no evidence, and riles people up. And virtually no Republicans lifted a finger to stop him. What an absolutely awful party. Mcconnell condemned and pence condemned it. So your point ? The point is Trump has created this situation. Like BLM and antifa it's ok for them to protest like this. Portland still having same issues." I think it pre planned incoming inserrection act or Marshall law. We shall see. | |||
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"This is of course what happens when a "President" spends weeks telling people an election is rigged, with no evidence, and riles people up. And virtually no Republicans lifted a finger to stop him. What an absolutely awful party. Mcconnell condemned and pence condemned it. So your point ? The point is Trump has created this situation. Like BLM and antifa it's ok for them to protest like this. Portland still having same issues." I don't recall any other group storming the Capitol Building and attempting to enter the chamber. | |||
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"This is of course what happens when a "President" spends weeks telling people an election is rigged, with no evidence, and riles people up. And virtually no Republicans lifted a finger to stop him. What an absolutely awful party. Mcconnell condemned and pence condemned it. So your point ? The point is Trump has created this situation. Like BLM and antifa it's ok for them to protest like this. Portland still having same issues." They're trying to overturn election results they don't like. There's no such thing as antifa & BLM were protesting extrajudicial killings by police. They're not the same thing at all. | |||
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"This is of course what happens when a "President" spends weeks telling people an election is rigged, with no evidence, and riles people up. And virtually no Republicans lifted a finger to stop him. What an absolutely awful party. Mcconnell condemned and pence condemned it. So your point ? The point is Trump has created this situation. Like BLM and antifa it's ok for them to protest like this. Portland still having same issues. I don't recall any other group storming the Capitol Building and attempting to enter the chamber." Multiple federal buildings came under assault. | |||
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"This is of course what happens when a "President" spends weeks telling people an election is rigged, with no evidence, and riles people up. And virtually no Republicans lifted a finger to stop him. What an absolutely awful party. Mcconnell condemned and pence condemned it. So your point ? The point is Trump has created this situation. Like BLM and antifa it's ok for them to protest like this. Portland still having same issues. They're trying to overturn election results they don't like. There's no such thing as antifa & BLM were protesting extrajudicial killings by police. They're not the same thing at all." And the Jacob blake shooting no charges filed ? | |||
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"seems that the trump rally has turned into a rampage as the trump supporters storm the Cannon House building attack the police. the building is currently being evacuated of staff according to reports Reminds me of blm protests and antifa protests. Colour me unsurprised that Republicans can't even bring themselves to say that an actual attempt to stop democracy is wrong. They have a right to protest just like any other protest. Tru-moaners are having a hard time dealing with there man Losing Poor Ickle Snowflakes I guess they are. Tonight probably be interesting." Yeah it will 1st policeman injured will reignforce down On the protestors that youve only ever seen U.S military do abroad . Is Trampy prepared to be responsible for so much death that will come ? W*ke up soppy chops Itaint happening | |||
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"This is of course what happens when a "President" spends weeks telling people an election is rigged, with no evidence, and riles people up. And virtually no Republicans lifted a finger to stop him. What an absolutely awful party. Mcconnell condemned and pence condemned it. So your point ? The point is Trump has created this situation. Like BLM and antifa it's ok for them to protest like this. Portland still having same issues. I don't recall any other group storming the Capitol Building and attempting to enter the chamber. Multiple federal buildings came under assault." The other half of the zoo is on the rampage now First, the bullshit BLM riots now the asshole Trump sycophants. This country is fucked | |||
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"This is of course what happens when a "President" spends weeks telling people an election is rigged, with no evidence, and riles people up. And virtually no Republicans lifted a finger to stop him. What an absolutely awful party. Mcconnell condemned and pence condemned it. So your point ? The point is Trump has created this situation. Like BLM and antifa it's ok for them to protest like this. Portland still having same issues. They're trying to overturn election results they don't like. There's no such thing as antifa & BLM were protesting extrajudicial killings by police. They're not the same thing at all. And the Jacob blake shooting no charges filed ?" That's of no relevance I'm going to stay on topic, this is sedition encouraged by Trump and another betrayal of his oath of office. | |||
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"This is literally a coup...." It is a very poor effort though, 10-20,000 in attendance and a few of them storming the building . Pathetic to watch | |||
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"This is literally a coup...." Via Twitter Surely he should be help reasonable for this. | |||
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"Just giving a point of view of what is happening. I mentioned it repeatedly. Some of you took at a joke. We support bidens win. But this is how much divided some people feel." 10-20,000 people? | |||
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"This is literally a coup.... It is a very poor effort though, 10-20,000 in attendance and a few of them storming the building . Pathetic to watch " It going to get worse. That is just DC. It's will spread unless Marshall law is declared and you thought I was joking. | |||
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"This is literally a coup.... Via Twitter Surely he should be help reasonable for this." It is the last throes of a desperate and scared man, | |||
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"This is literally a coup.... It is a very poor effort though, 10-20,000 in attendance and a few of them storming the building . Pathetic to watch It going to get worse. That is just DC. It's will spread unless Marshall law is declared and you thought I was joking." So what if it does? What I am watching is pathetic, is that the best they have? A few toothless loons with flags? | |||
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"This is literally a coup.... It is a very poor effort though, 10-20,000 in attendance and a few of them storming the building . Pathetic to watch It going to get worse. That is just DC. It's will spread unless Marshall law is declared and you thought I was joking. So what if it does? What I am watching is pathetic, is that the best they have? A few toothless loons with flags? " And the cause of is the refusal of Trump to accept the election results and commit to a peaceful transition of power. | |||
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"I wonder if this being the excuse trump uses to try and activate the insurrection act..... saying that so many people objecting he will use the military to rerun his election " Is that even possible? | |||
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"I wonder if this being the excuse trump uses to try and activate the insurrection act..... saying that so many people objecting he will use the military to rerun his election " The military will not interfere in the election. | |||
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"This is literally a coup...." Watching live coverage | |||
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"This is literally a coup.... It is a very poor effort though, 10-20,000 in attendance and a few of them storming the building . Pathetic to watch It going to get worse. That is just DC. It's will spread unless Marshall law is declared and you thought I was joking. So what if it does? What I am watching is pathetic, is that the best they have? A few toothless loons with flags? " Remember when you said they wouldn't do anything? Repeatedly well this is kind of a result of not listening to other people's opinions. We are considered constitutionalist my husband and I we condemn this but I warned months ago. | |||
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"This is literally a coup...." he is still in government so technically he has affected a coup on himself. seems like typical Trump to find the back of his own net | |||
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"This is literally a coup.... It is a very poor effort though, 10-20,000 in attendance and a few of them storming the building . Pathetic to watch It going to get worse. That is just DC. It's will spread unless Marshall law is declared and you thought I was joking. So what if it does? What I am watching is pathetic, is that the best they have? A few toothless loons with flags? Remember when you said they wouldn't do anything? Repeatedly well this is kind of a result of not listening to other people's opinions. We are considered constitutionalist my husband and I we condemn this but I warned months ago." Storming a building? Is that it? Haha, it is pathetic, the police let them in, where are the Million people that Trump promised? 10-20,000 is pathetic | |||
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"This is literally a coup.... It is a very poor effort though, 10-20,000 in attendance and a few of them storming the building . Pathetic to watch It going to get worse. That is just DC. It's will spread unless Marshall law is declared and you thought I was joking. So what if it does? What I am watching is pathetic, is that the best they have? A few toothless loons with flags? Remember when you said they wouldn't do anything? Repeatedly well this is kind of a result of not listening to other people's opinions. We are considered constitutionalist my husband and I we condemn this but I warned months ago." shame the republicans didn't listen to you and control their people better in that case, most of all the president and his 'fluffers' especially. they have a great deal to answer for | |||
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"This is literally a coup.... he is still in government so technically he has affected a coup on himself. seems like typical Trump to find the back of his own net " Now the boogaloo militias probably mobilizing. I don't think it going to stop in DC. This would invoke them. Marshall needs to be declared. | |||
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"This is literally a coup.... he is still in government so technically he has affected a coup on himself. seems like typical Trump to find the back of his own net Now the boogaloo militias probably mobilizing. I don't think it going to stop in DC. This would invoke them. Marshall needs to be declared." Boogaloo militia | |||
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"I wonder if this being the excuse trump uses to try and activate the insurrection act..... saying that so many people objecting he will use the military to rerun his election " The Posse Comitatus Act 1878 only state goveners controlling the national guard are able i believe. willing to be corrected though if anyone is sure | |||
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"Apparent the defence council has just denied a request by DC officials to deploy the national guard " Tbh now they are in the building what are they going to do? | |||
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"Why is some numpty running round with what seems to be a buffalo on his head? " Ha, I saw that, I think it is because they are retarded | |||
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"Why is some numpty running round with what seems to be a buffalo on his head? " isn't that Jay Kay? | |||
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"Apparent the defence council has just denied a request by DC officials to deploy the national guard Tbh now they are in the building what are they going to do? " wait to be nicked for insurrection? | |||
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"This is literally a coup.... he is still in government so technically he has affected a coup on himself. seems like typical Trump to find the back of his own net " It is about time he was arrested for treason!  | |||
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"I wonder if this being the excuse trump uses to try and activate the insurrection act..... saying that so many people objecting he will use the military to rerun his election The military will not interfere in the election." Ya never know There might be a concientious democrat soldier Who puts a bullet between the eyes of the current leader? | |||
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"Apparent the defence council has just denied a request by DC officials to deploy the national guard Tbh now they are in the building what are they going to do? " They are tweeting about it. But tbf they are not the brightest | |||
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"Why is some numpty running round with what seems to be a buffalo on his head? isn't that Jay Kay? "Ah that takes me back | |||
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"Apparent the defence council has just denied a request by DC officials to deploy the national guard Tbh now they are in the building what are they going to do? wait to be nicked for insurrection?" Yep, or the police can just monitor them, if they are such patriots they won’t damage the building | |||
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"Apparent the defence council has just denied a request by DC officials to deploy the national guard Tbh now they are in the building what are they going to do? wait to be nicked for insurrection? Yep, or the police can just monitor them, if they are such patriots they won’t damage the building " they already have apparently | |||
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"Am I right in thinking that calling in the National Guard is a federal decision?" gubernatorial i believe | |||
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