Some terrible human rights abuses in that part of the world. LBTQ Rights in Palestine and the West Bank are non existent bordering on illegal.
More and more Arab nations are coming to terms with the existence of Israel and even doing business with them. Possibly peace in sight. |
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"Can’t believe what I’m reading.
Execution by firing squad for homosexual acts!! In 2016. 
This whataboutery?"
No you quoted an article for the West Bank mate. I’m having a research of human rights in the area  |
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"Can’t believe what I’m reading.
Execution by firing squad for homosexual acts!! In 2016.
This whataboutery?
No you quoted an article for the West Bank mate. I’m having a research of human rights in the area "
I posted 2 articles about human rights abuses by the Israel state.
You seem more preoccupied with the rights of the LGBTQ movement in palestine and whilst I fully support your stance.. maybe you should do a separate thread?
Perhaps look at gay rights in other countries too..maybe saudi.
Good luck
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"Can’t believe what I’m reading.
Execution by firing squad for homosexual acts!! In 2016.
This whataboutery?
No you quoted an article for the West Bank mate. I’m having a research of human rights in the area
I posted 2 articles about human rights abuses by the Israel state.
You seem more preoccupied with the rights of the LGBTQ movement in palestine and whilst I fully support your stance.. maybe you should do a separate thread?
Perhaps look at gay rights in other countries too..maybe saudi.
Good luck
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Sorry I got sidetracked by the West Bank. Yeah fully aware of Saudi and the many other countries in that area that practice medieval barbarity when it comes to homosexuality.
I did also mention Israel though to keep it on topic hopefully peace will rein. If good relations are established with other countries in the area then hopefully they will have some leverage over how the Palestinians are treated. And perhaps they will even stamp out their corrupt regime and have fair elections.
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"Can’t believe what I’m reading.
Execution by firing squad for homosexual acts!! In 2016.
This whataboutery?
No you quoted an article for the West Bank mate. I’m having a research of human rights in the area
I posted 2 articles about human rights abuses by the Israel state.
You seem more preoccupied with the rights of the LGBTQ movement in palestine and whilst I fully support your stance.. maybe you should do a separate thread?
Perhaps look at gay rights in other countries too..maybe saudi.
Good luck
Sorry I got sidetracked by the West Bank. Yeah fully aware of Saudi and the many other countries in that area that practice medieval barbarity when it comes to homosexuality.
I did also mention Israel though to keep it on topic hopefully peace will rein. If good relations are established with other countries in the area then hopefully they will have some leverage over how the Palestinians are treated. And perhaps they will even stamp out their corrupt regime and have fair elections.
We can but hope. "
So no mention of them shooting kills,making families homeless or destroying religious artefacts? |
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"Can’t believe what I’m reading.
Execution by firing squad for homosexual acts!! In 2016.
This whataboutery?
No you quoted an article for the West Bank mate. I’m having a research of human rights in the area
I posted 2 articles about human rights abuses by the Israel state.
You seem more preoccupied with the rights of the LGBTQ movement in palestine and whilst I fully support your stance.. maybe you should do a separate thread?
Perhaps look at gay rights in other countries too..maybe saudi.
Good luck
Sorry I got sidetracked by the West Bank. Yeah fully aware of Saudi and the many other countries in that area that practice medieval barbarity when it comes to homosexuality.
I did also mention Israel though to keep it on topic hopefully peace will rein. If good relations are established with other countries in the area then hopefully they will have some leverage over how the Palestinians are treated. And perhaps they will even stamp out their corrupt regime and have fair elections.
We can but hope.
So no mention of them shooting kills,making families homeless or destroying religious artefacts?"
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"Both sides are in violation of the oslo accords. So question is who is going to force both sides to abide by it ?"
Peace in the Middle East? The biggest puzzle ever, need a solution which will provide stability for the entire region. |
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"Both sides are in violation of the oslo accords. So question is who is going to force both sides to abide by it ?
Yet only 1 side has been accused of war crimes."
Well that’s not strictly true the ICC announced in 2019 that they would also be investigating war crimes committed by Palestine. So I guess they are accused as well.
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"Both sides are in violation of the oslo accords. So question is who is going to force both sides to abide by it ?
Yet only 1 side has been accused of war crimes.
Well that’s not strictly true the ICC announced in 2019 that they would also be investigating war crimes committed by Palestine. So I guess they are accused as well.
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I stand corrected
There was an investigation which Palestine welcomed and israel opposed |
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"Both sides are in violation of the oslo accords. So question is who is going to force both sides to abide by it ?
Yet only 1 side has been accused of war crimes.
Well that’s not strictly true the ICC announced in 2019 that they would also be investigating war crimes committed by Palestine. So I guess they are accused as well.
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As an occupied people palestine have a moral and legal right to armed struggle
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Yet only 1 side has been accused of war crimes.
Well that’s not strictly true the ICC announced in 2019 that they would also be investigating war crimes committed by Palestine. So I guess they are accused as well.
As an occupied people palestine have a moral and legal right to armed struggle
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Indeed.
They seem to think they have a moral and legal right to execute homosexuals as well. |
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"Both sides are in violation of the oslo accords. So question is who is going to force both sides to abide by it ?
Yet only 1 side has been accused of war crimes.
Well that’s not strictly true the ICC announced in 2019 that they would also be investigating war crimes committed by Palestine. So I guess they are accused as well.
As an occupied people palestine have a moral and legal right to armed struggle
Indeed.
They seem to think they have a moral and legal right to execute homosexuals as well. "
Again 2 separate issues
More stuff for that other thread you didnt start,because you care so much |
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"I guess we can sum up Israel and Palestine as two disgusting governments.
Both as bad as each other?"
Do they have to be measured the same to be described as disgusting? In my opinion no I can happily condemn Israel and the Palestinian governments. I would love to see a truly free Palestine. They have been dicked since day dot. |
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"Both sides are in violation of the oslo accords. So question is who is going to force both sides to abide by it ?
Yet only 1 side has been accused of war crimes.
Well that’s not strictly true the ICC announced in 2019 that they would also be investigating war crimes committed by Palestine. So I guess they are accused as well.
As an occupied people palestine have a moral and legal right to armed struggle
Indeed.
They seem to think they have a moral and legal right to execute homosexuals as well.
Again 2 separate issues
More stuff for that other thread you didnt start,because you care so much"
Yeah sorry about that. Next time when a subject needs discussing I will get my PA to forward you a list of all the things I care about first to avoid this horrible situation for you. |
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"I guess we can sum up Israel and Palestine as two disgusting governments.
Both as bad as each other?
Do they have to be measured the same to be described as disgusting? In my opinion no I can happily condemn Israel and the Palestinian governments. I would love to see a truly free Palestine. They have been dicked since day dot. "
I'd say 1 side was a lot more guilty than another.
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By *al2001Man
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"Both sides are in violation of the oslo accords. So question is who is going to force both sides to abide by it ?
Yet only 1 side has been accused of war crimes.
Well that’s not strictly true the ICC announced in 2019 that they would also be investigating war crimes committed by Palestine. So I guess they are accused as well.
As an occupied people palestine have a moral and legal right to armed struggle
Indeed.
They seem to think they have a moral and legal right to execute homosexuals as well.
Again 2 separate issues
More stuff for that other thread you didnt start,because you care so much
Yeah sorry about that. Next time when a subject needs discussing I will get my PA to forward you a list of all the things I care about first to avoid this horrible situation for you. "
Or you could keep to the thread subject
Or like i said start your own thread on lgbtq rights in middle east |
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"I guess we can sum up Israel and Palestine as two disgusting governments.
Both as bad as each other?
Do they have to be measured the same to be described as disgusting? In my opinion no I can happily condemn Israel and the Palestinian governments. I would love to see a truly free Palestine. They have been dicked since day dot.
I'd say 1 side was a lot more guilty than another.
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I like this debate and I’m not trolling as I said on the other thread I will join in on this one.
You are probably correct in terms of war crimes in fact undoubtably correct as the Israelis practice asymmetric warfare on civilians.
But whats worse a government that breaches another countries civil rights or a government that breaches its own citizens civil rights?
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But whats worse a government that breaches another countries civil rights or a government that breaches its own citizens civil rights?
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Spoken like a true brit
A palestinians civil and human rights are every bit as important as an israelis or anyone elses. From any perspective |
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But whats worse a government that breaches another countries civil rights or a government that breaches its own citizens civil rights?
Spoken like a true brit
A palestinians civil and human rights are every bit as important as an israelis or anyone elses. From any perspective "
I’m not British. It’s more a philosophical question to add to the debate. Try to be a bit more open minded in terms of debate and assuming where people come from. |
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The whole middle east has been a powder keg almost since life began, Israel imvho are totally wrong in bulldozing homes, surely they can find room to build without pushing out the arabs, others sides have a right to exist but thus is not the way to get peace, |
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"The whole middle east has been a powder keg almost since life began, Israel imvho are totally wrong in bulldozing homes, surely they can find room to build without pushing out the arabs, others sides have a right to exist but thus is not the way to get peace, "
I'm off for a lie down
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"The whole middle east has been a powder keg almost since life began, Israel imvho are totally wrong in bulldozing homes, surely they can find room to build without pushing out the arabs, others sides have a right to exist but thus is not the way to get peace, "
Israel seem to think they have a god given right to the land. The word God in anything is going to cause problems.
People should move beyond the divine. The only hope I see for peace in the Middle East is going to be around business as money talks. |
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But whats worse a government that breaches another countries civil rights or a government that breaches its own citizens civil rights?
Spoken like a true brit
A palestinians civil and human rights are every bit as important as an israelis or anyone elses. From any perspective "
But they are 2 separate issues.
Many others ,saudi arabia for example,have appalling civil rights conditions for the own citizens.
That is completely different to what isreal is getting away with. |
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over a year ago
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But whats worse a government that breaches another countries civil rights or a government that breaches its own citizens civil rights?
Spoken like a true brit
A palestinians civil and human rights are every bit as important as an israelis or anyone elses. From any perspective
I’m not British. It’s more a philosophical question to add to the debate. Try to be a bit more open minded in terms of debate and assuming where people come from. "
Bloody foreigner.
It doesnt matter where you come from friend,we are all the same with same human rights is my point
Gay or straight
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Israel seem to think they have a god given right to the land. The word God in anything is going to cause problems.
People should move beyond the divine. The only hope I see for peace in the Middle East is going to be around business as money talks. "
Having America beyond them,gives them carte blanche. |
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"The whole middle east has been a powder keg almost since life began, Israel imvho are totally wrong in bulldozing homes, surely they can find room to build without pushing out the arabs, others sides have a right to exist but thus is not the way to get peace,
Israel seem to think they have a god given right to the land. The word God in anything is going to cause problems.
People should move beyond the divine. The only hope I see for peace in the Middle East is going to be around business as money talks.
Having America beyond them,gives them carte blanche."
I don’t see American money being infinite now especially with a potentially not as pro administration coming in.
Israel has moved quietly to make peace and trade deals with a fair few influential Middle Eastern countries. It’s sad but the only real countries of note paying anything other than lip service to Palestine are the “pariah” states Qatar and Iran.
In my opinion Israel are horizon scanning.
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This. They lived peacefully side by side for hundreds of years under the ottomans. |
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"It is a UN issue always has been. UN needs to step up it's peacekeeping force in the area."
They can't, the US always votes against it, and the UK always abstains. |
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"It is a UN issue always has been. UN needs to step up it's peacekeeping force in the area.
They can't, the US always votes against it, and the UK always abstains."
Then tell your politicians to quit abstaining. |
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"It is a UN issue always has been. UN needs to step up it's peacekeeping force in the area.
They can't, the US always votes against it, and the UK always abstains.
Then tell your politicians to quit abstaining."
My local MP is not from the ruling party. I've also never voted for the Tories.
So I do my bit. |
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"It is a UN issue always has been. UN needs to step up it's peacekeeping force in the area.
They can't, the US always votes against it, and the UK always abstains.
Then tell your politicians to quit abstaining.
My local MP is not from the ruling party. I've also never voted for the Tories.
So I do my bit."
Good just like it should be you are trying. But the majority said no right ? Israel feels threatened and the Palestine feels threatened so what is the buffer. Israel and the Saudis don't want iran meddling but who does the palestinians have to rely on except iran. It's a never ending cycle. |
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