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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence.
You do tickle me.glad to hear it but its political isnt it?"
You do seem to have a rather skewed sense of priorities.
I'm assuming you are aware you have 1 or 2 issues in this country? |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence.
You do tickle me.glad to hear it but its political isnt it?
You do seem to have a rather skewed sense of priorities.
I'm assuming you are aware you have 1 or 2 issues in this country?"
Just quoting the latest news mate 6% higher than any part of Europe and 3 1/2 times higher than the uk overall.
worth mentioning i would say. |
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence.
You do tickle me.glad to hear it but its political isnt it?
You do seem to have a rather skewed sense of priorities.
I'm assuming you are aware you have 1 or 2 issues in this country?Just quoting the latest news mate 6% higher than any part of Europe and 3 1/2 times higher than the uk overall.
worth mentioning i would say. "
Nothing to do with having a pop at the woman who makes boris look even more of a clueless buffoon?
Not hard admittedly. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence.
You do tickle me.glad to hear it but its political isnt it?
You do seem to have a rather skewed sense of priorities.
I'm assuming you are aware you have 1 or 2 issues in this country?Just quoting the latest news mate 6% higher than any part of Europe and 3 1/2 times higher than the uk overall.
worth mentioning i would say.
Nothing to do with having a pop at the woman who makes boris look even more of a clueless buffoon?
Not hard admittedly."
Well she seems pretty clueless on preventing drug deaths wouldn't you say?
Have a good long hard think to yourself, now if it was the other way round what would be your position? be honest now.  |
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence.
You do tickle me.glad to hear it but its political isnt it?
You do seem to have a rather skewed sense of priorities.
I'm assuming you are aware you have 1 or 2 issues in this country?Just quoting the latest news mate 6% higher than any part of Europe and 3 1/2 times higher than the uk overall.
worth mentioning i would say.
Nothing to do with having a pop at the woman who makes boris look even more of a clueless buffoon?
Not hard admittedly.Well she seems pretty clueless on preventing drug deaths wouldn't you say?
Have a good long hard think to yourself, now if it was the other way round what would be your position? be honest now. "
Wel boris seems quite clueless on issues such as homelessness,poverty, inequality,life expectancy shortening, kids going hungry,food banks.etc etc.but you seem more concerned about smackheads in a country where you dont even live? |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence.
You do tickle me.glad to hear it but its political isnt it?
You do seem to have a rather skewed sense of priorities.
I'm assuming you are aware you have 1 or 2 issues in this country?Just quoting the latest news mate 6% higher than any part of Europe and 3 1/2 times higher than the uk overall.
worth mentioning i would say.
Nothing to do with having a pop at the woman who makes boris look even more of a clueless buffoon?
Not hard admittedly.Well she seems pretty clueless on preventing drug deaths wouldn't you say?
Have a good long hard think to yourself, now if it was the other way round what would be your position? be honest now.
Wel boris seems quite clueless on issues such as homelessness,poverty, inequality,life expectancy shortening, kids going hungry,food banks.etc etc.but you seem more concerned about smackheads in a country where you dont even live?"
So you didnt have a think about it then? just wanted to slag boris off. Sometimes i wonder to myself why i ever engage in a conversation with you as its not a conversation you just come out with random statements and never answer a question im begining to think you must be an mp.  |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
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Drug taking often stems from longstanding complex socio-economic problems.
There is not a silver bullet that can suddenly solve these overnight.
Criminalisation of drugs and users does more harm than good.
There may have been a failure of leadership on this issue in Scotland but there are equally if not larger failures of leadership in Westminster on other social issues. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Drug taking often stems from longstanding complex socio-economic problems.
There is not a silver bullet that can suddenly solve these overnight.
Criminalisation of drugs and users does more harm than good.
There may have been a failure of leadership on this issue in Scotland but there are equally if not larger failures of leadership in Westminster on other social issues."
Doesnt scotland have devolution powers over this? if not what is the point of Holyrood. |
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence.
You do tickle me.glad to hear it but its political isnt it?
You do seem to have a rather skewed sense of priorities.
I'm assuming you are aware you have 1 or 2 issues in this country?Just quoting the latest news mate 6% higher than any part of Europe and 3 1/2 times higher than the uk overall.
worth mentioning i would say.
Nothing to do with having a pop at the woman who makes boris look even more of a clueless buffoon?
Not hard admittedly.Well she seems pretty clueless on preventing drug deaths wouldn't you say?
Have a good long hard think to yourself, now if it was the other way round what would be your position? be honest now.
Wel boris seems quite clueless on issues such as homelessness,poverty, inequality,life expectancy shortening, kids going hungry,food banks.etc etc.but you seem more concerned about smackheads in a country where you dont even live?So you didnt have a think about it then? just wanted to slag boris off. Sometimes i wonder to myself why i ever engage in a conversation with you as its not a conversation you just come out with random statements and never answer a question im begining to think you must be an mp. "
So you just ignore my point then?
We have several major problems in this country..so let me just go and count how many threads you have started about them shall we? |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence.
You do tickle me.glad to hear it but its political isnt it?
You do seem to have a rather skewed sense of priorities.
I'm assuming you are aware you have 1 or 2 issues in this country?Just quoting the latest news mate 6% higher than any part of Europe and 3 1/2 times higher than the uk overall.
worth mentioning i would say.
Nothing to do with having a pop at the woman who makes boris look even more of a clueless buffoon?
Not hard admittedly.Well she seems pretty clueless on preventing drug deaths wouldn't you say?
Have a good long hard think to yourself, now if it was the other way round what would be your position? be honest now.
Wel boris seems quite clueless on issues such as homelessness,poverty, inequality,life expectancy shortening, kids going hungry,food banks.etc etc.but you seem more concerned about smackheads in a country where you dont even live?So you didnt have a think about it then? just wanted to slag boris off. Sometimes i wonder to myself why i ever engage in a conversation with you as its not a conversation you just come out with random statements and never answer a question im begining to think you must be an mp.
So you just ignore my point then?
We have several major problems in this country..so let me just go and count how many threads you have started about them shall we?"
See here you go again i dont think you even realize.Did you have a think about it? |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
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"Drug taking often stems from longstanding complex socio-economic problems.
There is not a silver bullet that can suddenly solve these overnight.
Criminalisation of drugs and users does more harm than good.
There may have been a failure of leadership on this issue in Scotland but there are equally if not larger failures of leadership in Westminster on other social issues.Doesnt scotland have devolution powers over this? if not what is the point of Holyrood."
Taking your argument can you give examples of any government that got it right on every social policy issue. |
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"Drug taking often stems from longstanding complex socio-economic problems.
There is not a silver bullet that can suddenly solve these overnight.
Criminalisation of drugs and users does more harm than good.
There may have been a failure of leadership on this issue in Scotland but there are equally if not larger failures of leadership in Westminster on other social issues."
I'm sure there are plenty of other threads about that on here...oh wait.
Drug issues tend to have their roots in social economic and inequality structures.
There issue is as endemic here as it is in Scotland but apparently nicola should be able to click her fingers and solve the issue. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Drug taking often stems from longstanding complex socio-economic problems.
There is not a silver bullet that can suddenly solve these overnight.
Criminalisation of drugs and users does more harm than good.
There may have been a failure of leadership on this issue in Scotland but there are equally if not larger failures of leadership in Westminster on other social issues.Doesnt scotland have devolution powers over this? if not what is the point of Holyrood.
Taking your argument can you give examples of any government that got it right on every social policy issue."
No and its a pity people like yourself dont apply that same logic to a new virus and the 1st world pandemic since 1918. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Drug taking often stems from longstanding complex socio-economic problems.
There is not a silver bullet that can suddenly solve these overnight.
Criminalisation of drugs and users does more harm than good.
There may have been a failure of leadership on this issue in Scotland but there are equally if not larger failures of leadership in Westminster on other social issues.
I'm sure there are plenty of other threads about that on here...oh wait.
Drug issues tend to have their roots in social economic and inequality structures.
There issue is as endemic here as it is in Scotland but apparently nicola should be able to click her fingers and solve the issue."
still not answering then? |
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"Drug taking often stems from longstanding complex socio-economic problems.
There is not a silver bullet that can suddenly solve these overnight.
Criminalisation of drugs and users does more harm than good.
There may have been a failure of leadership on this issue in Scotland but there are equally if not larger failures of leadership in Westminster on other social issues.
I'm sure there are plenty of other threads about that on here...oh wait.
Drug issues tend to have their roots in social economic and inequality structures.
There issue is as endemic here as it is in Scotland but apparently nicola should be able to click her fingers and solve the issue.still not answering then?"
To what?
A problem that has plagued western societies for decades? |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Drug taking often stems from longstanding complex socio-economic problems.
There is not a silver bullet that can suddenly solve these overnight.
Criminalisation of drugs and users does more harm than good.
There may have been a failure of leadership on this issue in Scotland but there are equally if not larger failures of leadership in Westminster on other social issues.
I'm sure there are plenty of other threads about that on here...oh wait.
Drug issues tend to have their roots in social economic and inequality structures.
There issue is as endemic here as it is in Scotland but apparently nicola should be able to click her fingers and solve the issue.still not answering then?
To what?
A problem that has plagued western societies for decades?"
This is a 6% rise in a year of deaths and the numbers are double that of ten years ago and this has nothing to do with the snp? |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Drug taking often stems from longstanding complex socio-economic problems.
There is not a silver bullet that can suddenly solve these overnight.
Criminalisation of drugs and users does more harm than good.
There may have been a failure of leadership on this issue in Scotland but there are equally if not larger failures of leadership in Westminster on other social issues.
I'm sure there are plenty of other threads about that on here...oh wait.
Drug issues tend to have their roots in social economic and inequality structures.
There issue is as endemic here as it is in Scotland but apparently nicola should be able to click her fingers and solve the issue.still not answering then?
To what?
A problem that has plagued western societies for decades?"
No to whether you would be jumping up and down if it was boris and not her.have another think before answering? |
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"Drug taking often stems from longstanding complex socio-economic problems.
There is not a silver bullet that can suddenly solve these overnight.
Criminalisation of drugs and users does more harm than good.
There may have been a failure of leadership on this issue in Scotland but there are equally if not larger failures of leadership in Westminster on other social issues.
I'm sure there are plenty of other threads about that on here...oh wait.
Drug issues tend to have their roots in social economic and inequality structures.
There issue is as endemic here as it is in Scotland but apparently nicola should be able to click her fingers and solve the issue.still not answering then?
To what?
A problem that has plagued western societies for decades?This is a 6% rise in a year of deaths and the numbers are double that of ten years ago and this has nothing to do with the snp? "
You are blaming increasing drug use on the snp?
That is absolutely priceless..even for you
Can you provide some empirical research to show a direct correlation between the snp and increasing drug correlation?
Cheers
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"Drug taking often stems from longstanding complex socio-economic problems.
There is not a silver bullet that can suddenly solve these overnight.
Criminalisation of drugs and users does more harm than good.
There may have been a failure of leadership on this issue in Scotland but there are equally if not larger failures of leadership in Westminster on other social issues.
I'm sure there are plenty of other threads about that on here...oh wait.
Drug issues tend to have their roots in social economic and inequality structures.
There issue is as endemic here as it is in Scotland but apparently nicola should be able to click her fingers and solve the issue.still not answering then?
To what?
A problem that has plagued western societies for decades?No to whether you would be jumping up and down if it was boris and not her.have another think before answering?"
So England does not have a problem then? |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Drug taking often stems from longstanding complex socio-economic problems.
There is not a silver bullet that can suddenly solve these overnight.
Criminalisation of drugs and users does more harm than good.
There may have been a failure of leadership on this issue in Scotland but there are equally if not larger failures of leadership in Westminster on other social issues.
I'm sure there are plenty of other threads about that on here...oh wait.
Drug issues tend to have their roots in social economic and inequality structures.
There issue is as endemic here as it is in Scotland but apparently nicola should be able to click her fingers and solve the issue.still not answering then?
To what?
A problem that has plagued western societies for decades?This is a 6% rise in a year of deaths and the numbers are double that of ten years ago and this has nothing to do with the snp?
You are blaming increasing drug use on the snp?
That is absolutely priceless..even for you
Can you provide some empirical research to show a direct correlation between the snp and increasing drug correlation?
Cheers
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still not answered.
Campaigners in Scotland, however, argue that the Scottish government does not make appropriate use of its health and social care powers, which give it control over drug treatment services.
Scotland's drug problem was declared a public health emergency 18 months ago, in the wake of the rise in death numbers.
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"Didn't drug use in Scotland rise, when alcohol became more expensive in Scotland?
Is there some correlation between the two? "
When snack came in in the early 80s it absolutely ravaged cities throughout the uk.
Its impact is still felt today.. though apparently just in Scotland. |
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"Drug taking often stems from longstanding complex socio-economic problems.
There is not a silver bullet that can suddenly solve these overnight.
Criminalisation of drugs and users does more harm than good.
There may have been a failure of leadership on this issue in Scotland but there are equally if not larger failures of leadership in Westminster on other social issues.
I'm sure there are plenty of other threads about that on here...oh wait.
Drug issues tend to have their roots in social economic and inequality structures.
There issue is as endemic here as it is in Scotland but apparently nicola should be able to click her fingers and solve the issue.still not answering then?
To what?
A problem that has plagued western societies for decades?This is a 6% rise in a year of deaths and the numbers are double that of ten years ago and this has nothing to do with the snp?
You are blaming increasing drug use on the snp?
That is absolutely priceless..even for you
Can you provide some empirical research to show a direct correlation between the snp and increasing drug correlation?
Cheers
still not answered.
Campaigners in Scotland, however, argue that the Scottish government does not make appropriate use of its health and social care powers, which give it control over drug treatment services.
Scotland's drug problem was declared a public health emergency 18 months ago, in the wake of the rise in death numbers.
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A drug charity asking from advice from the gmnt...does not make the gknt directly responsible.
As stated previously drug issues are related to a myriad of structural issues. |
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/oct/14/drug-deaths-have-hit-record-high-in-england-and-wales-says-ons
So let's assume nicola and the snp are at fault I'm assuming costa has no problem admitting that the gmnt are equally as responsible here. |
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"i will leave you to ponder lionel as have stuff to do i hope for a straight answer when i return but wont be holding my breath. "
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But, ya gotta admit, it's great lunchtime entertainment....?(!)
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence. "
This is one of many things that has declined in recent times in Scotland, while the focus and effort is concentrated on independence. |
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"I'm presuming people have never seen trainspotting "
Exactly, Scotlands heroin problem started in the mid 1980s (we all know who was PM then ) and has struggled to control its use ever since. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence. "
Also heavy drink problems etc she is hopeless I feel so sorry for Scotland if she ever leads an independant Scotland but for being so stupid and following her I hope we do not then bale them out they will not deserve our help.
They waste the money they scrounge off us then moan moan moan.Blackfoot is such a nasty horrible selfish excuse for a human(polite version)
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence. Also heavy drink problems etc she is hopeless I feel so sorry for Scotland if she ever leads an independant Scotland but for being so stupid and following her I hope we do not then bale them out they will not deserve our help.
They waste the money they scrounge off us then moan moan moan.Blackfoot is such a nasty horrible selfish excuse for a human(polite version)
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She seem to have been a lot better than Boris when it's actually counted! |
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"I'm presuming people have never seen trainspotting
Exactly, Scotlands heroin problem started in the mid 1980s (we all know who was PM then ) and has struggled to control its use ever since. "
According to the experts on here it's all down to nicola and we have no issues here.
Standard. |
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence. Also heavy drink problems etc she is hopeless I feel so sorry for Scotland if she ever leads an independant Scotland but for being so stupid and following her I hope we do not then bale them out they will not deserve our help.
They waste the money they scrounge off us then moan moan moan.Blackfoot is such a nasty horrible selfish excuse for a human(polite version)
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Charming post |
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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago
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"In 2007, Scotland had approximately 352 rehab beds in 22 facilities. At that time, there were 455 drug deaths in a year. By 2018, the number of rehab beds was down to less than 70 across three facilities, while the number of drug deaths increased to 1,187 people in a single year."
Facesandvoicesofrecovery website.
And from - Annemarie Ward, chief executive of Faces and Voices of Recovery, who have been campaigning for more rehab beds, sat though the debate and was disappointed by the Scottish Government response.
She said: “They keep making the same mistakes. It’s said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
“Well, this government is showing us they are insane. They are refusing to help people get well. They would rather use rhetoric, posturing and farce to fight each other than save lives.” |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"I'm presuming people have never seen trainspotting
Exactly, Scotlands heroin problem started in the mid 1980s (we all know who was PM then ) and has struggled to control its use ever since. "
So a pm forces people to take heroine? 
People have been taking class A’s for a very long time it’s just that now it’s cheaper than it has ever been.
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"I'm presuming people have never seen trainspotting
Exactly, Scotlands heroin problem started in the mid 1980s (we all know who was PM then ) and has struggled to control its use ever since.
So a pm forces people to take heroine?
People have been taking class A’s for a very long time it’s just that now it’s cheaper than it has ever been.
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Well it appears nicola does |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
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"I'm presuming people have never seen trainspotting
Exactly, Scotlands heroin problem started in the mid 1980s (we all know who was PM then ) and has struggled to control its use ever since.
So a pm forces people to take heroine?
People have been taking class A’s for a very long time it’s just that now it’s cheaper than it has ever been.
Well it appears nicola does "
So you dont think she should spend more time sorting the drug problem out than on independence ? |
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"I'm presuming people have never seen trainspotting
Exactly, Scotlands heroin problem started in the mid 1980s (we all know who was PM then ) and has struggled to control its use ever since.
So a pm forces people to take heroine?
People have been taking class A’s for a very long time it’s just that now it’s cheaper than it has ever been.
Well it appears nicola does So you dont think she should spend more time sorting the drug problem out than on independence ?"
Why is it 1 thing or another?
And if you are correct, then shouldn't boris be busy sorting our own issues out than fucking around with brexit? |
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"I'm presuming people have never seen trainspotting
Exactly, Scotlands heroin problem started in the mid 1980s (we all know who was PM then ) and has struggled to control its use ever since.
So a pm forces people to take heroine?
People have been taking class A’s for a very long time it’s just that now it’s cheaper than it has ever been.
Well it appears nicola does So you dont think she should spend more time sorting the drug problem out than on independence ?
Why is it 1 thing or another?
And if you are correct, then shouldn't boris be busy sorting our own issues out than fucking around with brexit?"
Exactly , for example child poverty , which is horrifically high  |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
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"I'm presuming people have never seen trainspotting
Exactly, Scotlands heroin problem started in the mid 1980s (we all know who was PM then ) and has struggled to control its use ever since.
So a pm forces people to take heroine?
People have been taking class A’s for a very long time it’s just that now it’s cheaper than it has ever been.
Well it appears nicola does So you dont think she should spend more time sorting the drug problem out than on independence ?
Why is it 1 thing or another?
And if you are correct, then shouldn't boris be busy sorting our own issues out than fucking around with brexit?"
He should be mate you're right there and if those who could not accept the decision had shut up it would have been done and dusted years ago. |
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"I'm presuming people have never seen trainspotting
Exactly, Scotlands heroin problem started in the mid 1980s (we all know who was PM then ) and has struggled to control its use ever since.
So a pm forces people to take heroine?
People have been taking class A’s for a very long time it’s just that now it’s cheaper than it has ever been.
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Can you highlight the part where I said a PM forces people to take drugs? Drug use is high in places of mass unemployment and poverty both areas that Margaret Thatcher was an expert in creating |
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"I'm presuming people have never seen trainspotting
Exactly, Scotlands heroin problem started in the mid 1980s (we all know who was PM then ) and has struggled to control its use ever since.
So a pm forces people to take heroine?
People have been taking class A’s for a very long time it’s just that now it’s cheaper than it has ever been.
Well it appears nicola does So you dont think she should spend more time sorting the drug problem out than on independence ?
Why is it 1 thing or another?
And if you are correct, then shouldn't boris be busy sorting our own issues out than fucking around with brexit?He should be mate you're right there and if those who could not accept the decision had shut up it would have been done and dusted years ago. "
Why has it taken so long? Nearly 5 years to get a crap deal or a no deal? |
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"I'm presuming people have never seen trainspotting
Exactly, Scotlands heroin problem started in the mid 1980s (we all know who was PM then ) and has struggled to control its use ever since.
So a pm forces people to take heroine?
People have been taking class A’s for a very long time it’s just that now it’s cheaper than it has ever been.
Well it appears nicola does So you dont think she should spend more time sorting the drug problem out than on independence ?
Why is it 1 thing or another?
And if you are correct, then shouldn't boris be busy sorting our own issues out than fucking around with brexit?He should be mate you're right there and if those who could not accept the decision had shut up it would have been done and dusted years ago. "
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence.
You do tickle me.glad to hear it but its political isnt it?"
Yes. It is political. Sadly, since Scotland is not independent, it is unable to pursue the sort of harm reduction policies, related to drugs, that the likes of Portugal is.
So, it is, in part - whether you like it or not - a problem the UK doesn't want solved.
Btw, it seems to me, as usual, you know fuck all about Scottish politics. Why would you, though? |
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"Misuse of Drugs is a reserved power. Reserved at Westminster. Time to try something better. "
Exactly. A concept the OP can't get his head around. Which is no surprise to anyone familiar with his contributions, in general. |
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence.
You do tickle me.glad to hear it but its political isnt it?
Yes. It is political. Sadly, since Scotland is not independent, it is unable to pursue the sort of harm reduction policies, related to drugs, that the likes of Portugal is.
So, it is, in part - whether you like it or not - a problem the UK doesn't want solved.
Btw, it seems to me, as usual, you know fuck all about Scottish politics. Why would you, though?"
I just quite like the idea that drugs is an issue that only effects Scotland. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence.
You do tickle me.glad to hear it but its political isnt it?
Yes. It is political. Sadly, since Scotland is not independent, it is unable to pursue the sort of harm reduction policies, related to drugs, that the likes of Portugal is.
So, it is, in part - whether you like it or not - a problem the UK doesn't want solved.
Btw, it seems to me, as usual, you know fuck all about Scottish politics. Why would you, though?
I just quite like the idea that drugs is an issue that only effects Scotland."
When the headlines are deaths are up 6% in Scotland 3 and 1/2 times the uk overall and you dont think its worth discussion  dont you think the snp should spend a little more time on independence and a little more on whats going on in the country? you dont need to know fuck all about Scottish politics to see that. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence. Also heavy drink problems etc she is hopeless I feel so sorry for Scotland if she ever leads an independant Scotland but for being so stupid and following her I hope we do not then bale them out they will not deserve our help.
They waste the money they scrounge off us then moan moan moan.Blackfoot is such a nasty horrible selfish excuse for a human(polite version)
Charming post"
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"Let's be fair. Sturgeon and the SNP are failing at pretty much everything "
Funny.
An international charity has had to intervene to stop kuds going hungry in this country,but you are more concerned what's happening in Scotland.
How strange
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence.
You do tickle me.glad to hear it but its political isnt it?
Yes. It is political. Sadly, since Scotland is not independent, it is unable to pursue the sort of harm reduction policies, related to drugs, that the likes of Portugal is.
So, it is, in part - whether you like it or not - a problem the UK doesn't want solved.
Btw, it seems to me, as usual, you know fuck all about Scottish politics. Why would you, though?
I just quite like the idea that drugs is an issue that only effects Scotland.When the headlines are deaths are up 6% in Scotland 3 and 1/2 times the uk overall and you dont think its worth discussion dont you think the snp should spend a little more time on independence and a little more on whats going on in the country? you dont need to know fuck all about Scottish politics to see that. "
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/oct/14/drug-deaths-have-hit-record-high-in-england-and-wales-says-ons
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"Let's be fair. Sturgeon and the SNP are failing at pretty much everything "
It’s no coincidence the SNP government have a proportionally huge bank of media advisors to careful control (protect) sturgeon .
Scottish media outlets are kept on a very short leash |
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"Let's be fair. Sturgeon and the SNP are failing at pretty much everything
Funny.
An international charity has had to intervene to stop kuds going hungry in this country,but you are more concerned what's happening in Scotland.
How strange
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How strange that a supposed Labour supporter is not critical of Sturgeon and brings up a completely unrelated topic |
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"Let's be fair. Sturgeon and the SNP are failing at pretty much everything
Funny.
An international charity has had to intervene to stop kuds going hungry in this country,but you are more concerned what's happening in Scotland.
How strange
How strange that a supposed Labour supporter is not critical of Sturgeon and brings up a completely unrelated topic"
Drugs in Scotland
Drugs in England
Yeah worlds apart
Do we not have a drugs problem in this country? |
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As for drugs itself our attitude to them is both hypocriticoal and totally ineffective.
Cigs and alcohol kill thousands each other but a bit of Coke gets you 10 years.
The war on drugs is possibly the most futile scheme ever invented.
People are always going to want drugs and people will always sell it.
The war is well and truly over.. if it ever began.
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" she seems pretty clueless on preventing drug deaths wouldn't you say?
Same as Boris seems pretty clueless on preventing Covid deaths
I blame the idiots that voted them both in "
You would think having a d*unk ,corrupt,clueless,racist,sex case,buffoon as a prime minister we wouldnt throw stones at glass houses. |
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" she seems pretty clueless on preventing drug deaths wouldn't you say?
Same as Boris seems pretty clueless on preventing Covid deaths
I blame the idiots that voted them both in
You would think having a d*unk ,corrupt,clueless,racist,sex case,buffoon as a prime minister we wouldnt throw stones at glass houses."
Maybe yeah |
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence. Also heavy drink problems etc she is hopeless I feel so sorry for Scotland if she ever leads an independant Scotland but for being so stupid and following her I hope we do not then bale them out they will not deserve our help.
They waste the money they scrounge off us then moan moan moan.Blackfoot is such a nasty horrible selfish excuse for a human(polite version)
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It surprises me that so many english people living in England know so much about Scotland and the politics up here. As an Englishman living in Scotland but not a SNP voter I have to say that Nicola Sturgeon is a far more compassionate and intelligent leader than that Tory buffoon in Downing St. Just listen to her daily conferences. She speaks clearly, honestly and doesn't bumble her way through like Doris. He really is useless and you can't see it.
As for scrounging and bailing out. You are from Upton on the Wirral. Sorry, whilst it's not a complete hole (well, since the early 90s you have had a sainsburys, home base, McDonalds and then, slightly more recently an Argos) you don't exactly come from a prosperous area. You live somewhere were the contribution to the economy is less than is taken out. I only the other hand live in far far more affluent area outside of Edinburgh so "ah, shut yer gob". |
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence. Also heavy drink problems etc she is hopeless I feel so sorry for Scotland if she ever leads an independant Scotland but for being so stupid and following her I hope we do not then bale them out they will not deserve our help.
They waste the money they scrounge off us then moan moan moan.Blackfoot is such a nasty horrible selfish excuse for a human(polite version)
It surprises me that so many english people living in England know so much about Scotland and the politics up here. As an Englishman living in Scotland but not a SNP voter I have to say that Nicola Sturgeon is a far more compassionate and intelligent leader than that Tory buffoon in Downing St. Just listen to her daily conferences. She speaks clearly, honestly and doesn't bumble her way through like Doris. He really is useless and you can't see it.
As for scrounging and bailing out. You are from Upton on the Wirral. Sorry, whilst it's not a complete hole (well, since the early 90s you have had a sainsburys, home base, McDonalds and then, slightly more recently an Argos) you don't exactly come from a prosperous area. You live somewhere were the contribution to the economy is less than is taken out. I only the other hand live in far far more affluent area outside of Edinburgh so "ah, shut yer gob". "
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence. Also heavy drink problems etc she is hopeless I feel so sorry for Scotland if she ever leads an independant Scotland but for being so stupid and following her I hope we do not then bale them out they will not deserve our help.
They waste the money they scrounge off us then moan moan moan.Blackfoot is such a nasty horrible selfish excuse for a human(polite version)
It surprises me that so many english people living in England know so much about Scotland and the politics up here. As an Englishman living in Scotland but not a SNP voter I have to say that Nicola Sturgeon is a far more compassionate and intelligent leader than that Tory buffoon in Downing St. Just listen to her daily conferences. She speaks clearly, honestly and doesn't bumble her way through like Doris. He really is useless and you can't see it.
As for scrounging and bailing out. You are from Upton on the Wirral. Sorry, whilst it's not a complete hole (well, since the early 90s you have had a sainsburys, home base, McDonalds and then, slightly more recently an Argos) you don't exactly come from a prosperous area. You live somewhere were the contribution to the economy is less than is taken out. I only the other hand live in far far more affluent area outside of Edinburgh so "ah, shut yer gob".
Tell lol "
Reading the comments here just shows how much English ppl know nothing of what is going on in Scotland (most just reading the daily mail) the snp have been in power for 13yrs and in that time have done more for scottish ppl than any red or blue tories have in 100yrs thats why they are so far ahead in all the polls because the majority of Scots trust them ,polls for independence have shown for the last 16 polls that the sovereign Scots will be taking our independence from this corrupt country and will be independent within a year |
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"Let's be fair. Sturgeon and the SNP are failing at pretty much everything
Your evidence for this is...."
Are you being serious? Or just asking because you feel you have to disagree with everything I say? Or just stick up for her because she pretends to want to remain in the EU?
Google SNP failures, the list's as long as yer f.ckin arm |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence. Also heavy drink problems etc she is hopeless I feel so sorry for Scotland if she ever leads an independant Scotland but for being so stupid and following her I hope we do not then bale them out they will not deserve our help.
They waste the money they scrounge off us then moan moan moan.Blackfoot is such a nasty horrible selfish excuse for a human(polite version)
It surprises me that so many english people living in England know so much about Scotland and the politics up here. As an Englishman living in Scotland but not a SNP voter I have to say that Nicola Sturgeon is a far more compassionate and intelligent leader than that Tory buffoon in Downing St. Just listen to her daily conferences. She speaks clearly, honestly and doesn't bumble her way through like Doris. He really is useless and you can't see it.
As for scrounging and bailing out. You are from Upton on the Wirral. Sorry, whilst it's not a complete hole (well, since the early 90s you have had a sainsburys, home base, McDonalds and then, slightly more recently an Argos) you don't exactly come from a prosperous area. You live somewhere were the contribution to the economy is less than is taken out. I only the other hand live in far far more affluent area outside of Edinburgh so "ah, shut yer gob".
Tell lol
Reading the comments here just shows how much English ppl know nothing of what is going on in Scotland (most just reading the daily mail) the snp have been in power for 13yrs and in that time have done more for scottish ppl than any red or blue tories have in 100yrs thats why they are so far ahead in all the polls because the majority of Scots trust them ,polls for independence have shown for the last 16 polls that the sovereign Scots will be taking our independence from this corrupt country and will be independent within a year "
I'll take any money you like, that Scotland will not be independent within a year! |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
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"Let's be fair. Sturgeon and the SNP are failing at pretty much everything
Your evidence for this is....
Are you being serious? Or just asking because you feel you have to disagree with everything I say? Or just stick up for her because she pretends to want to remain in the EU?
Google SNP failures, the list's as long as yer f.ckin arm"
You can equally Google Tory failures and get a list that’s as long as both your arms.... |
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"Let's be fair. Sturgeon and the SNP are failing at pretty much everything
Your evidence for this is....
Are you being serious? Or just asking because you feel you have to disagree with everything I say? Or just stick up for her because she pretends to want to remain in the EU?
Google SNP failures, the list's as long as yer f.ckin arm"
-Free tuition fees
-Significant free childcare for 3 and 4 year olds
-Rebuilt or refurbished hundreds of schools
-Tens of thousands of affordable homes
-Small business bonus
-Increase in NHS staff
-Increase in front line police officers
-Scrapped prescription charges
-Hundreds of thousands of modern apprenticeship schemes
-Baby boxes
-Banned fracking
-Removed bridge trolls
-Built queensferry crossing
There is my list. I am sure there are more successes and also plenty of failures too.
I am not an SNP voter but living in Scotland I can at least see the good stuff. I am not quite sure you are in the same position to be commenting.
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"Let's be fair. Sturgeon and the SNP are failing at pretty much everything
Your evidence for this is....
Are you being serious? Or just asking because you feel you have to disagree with everything I say? Or just stick up for her because she pretends to want to remain in the EU?
Google SNP failures, the list's as long as yer f.ckin arm
You can equally Google Tory failures and get a list that’s as long as both your arms.... "
Try googling Tory successes.  |
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"Let's be fair. Sturgeon and the SNP are failing at pretty much everything
Your evidence for this is....
Are you being serious? Or just asking because you feel you have to disagree with everything I say? Or just stick up for her because she pretends to want to remain in the EU?
Google SNP failures, the list's as long as yer f.ckin arm
You can equally Google Tory failures and get a list that’s as long as both your arms.... "
Of course you can. So why did you ask me for evidence |
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"Funny how no one has said yes thats terrible they should really be getting a handle on this and commit more resources to the problem. Instead it results to insults about knowing nothing about scotland, boris is a c%nt ,nicola speaks well etc .
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Well the OPs comment hardly encouraged a sensible and meaningful set of responses did it?
As for the independence, I think you are missing the point. Independence gives more control to fix the root cause of the problem...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/11/drug-deaths-scotland-epidemic-scottish-independence
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence. Also heavy drink problems etc she is hopeless I feel so sorry for Scotland if she ever leads an independant Scotland but for being so stupid and following her I hope we do not then bale them out they will not deserve our help.
They waste the money they scrounge off us then moan moan moan.Blackfoot is such a nasty horrible selfish excuse for a human(polite version)
It surprises me that so many english people living in England know so much about Scotland and the politics up here. As an Englishman living in Scotland but not a SNP voter I have to say that Nicola Sturgeon is a far more compassionate and intelligent leader than that Tory buffoon in Downing St. Just listen to her daily conferences. She speaks clearly, honestly and doesn't bumble her way through like Doris. He really is useless and you can't see it.
As for scrounging and bailing out. You are from Upton on the Wirral. Sorry, whilst it's not a complete hole (well, since the early 90s you have had a sainsburys, home base, McDonalds and then, slightly more recently an Argos) you don't exactly come from a prosperous area. You live somewhere were the contribution to the economy is less than is taken out. I only the other hand live in far far more affluent area outside of Edinburgh so "ah, shut yer gob". "
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"I love the way people in Ipswich and nantwich are more well informed on Scottish politics.. than people who actually live in Scotland."
A lot of people who live in Scotland would agree with what we are saying. Why are you not critical of the SNP if you are a Labour supporter? Or do you not know anything about Scottish politics either? |
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"I love the way people in Ipswich and nantwich are more well informed on Scottish politics.. than people who actually live in Scotland.
A lot of people who live in Scotland would agree with what we are saying. Why are you not critical of the SNP if you are a Labour supporter? Or do you not know anything about Scottish politics either? "
Why should I be?
Who won the most votes on Scotland? |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
the land of saints & sinners |
"Let's be fair. Sturgeon and the SNP are failing at pretty much everything
Your evidence for this is....
Are you being serious? Or just asking because you feel you have to disagree with everything I say? Or just stick up for her because she pretends to want to remain in the EU?
Google SNP failures, the list's as long as yer f.ckin arm
You can equally Google Tory failures and get a list that’s as long as both your arms....
Of course you can. So why did you ask me for evidence "
The point is that you seem to be very concerned about the politics of a country that you apparently don’t live in or can vote for parties in the devolved government there.
Glass houses and stones spring to mind.
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"Let's be fair. Sturgeon and the SNP are failing at pretty much everything
Your evidence for this is....
Are you being serious? Or just asking because you feel you have to disagree with everything I say? Or just stick up for her because she pretends to want to remain in the EU?
Google SNP failures, the list's as long as yer f.ckin arm
You can equally Google Tory failures and get a list that’s as long as both your arms....
Of course you can. So why did you ask me for evidence
The point is that you seem to be very concerned about the politics of a country that you apparently don’t live in or can vote for parties in the devolved government there.
Glass houses and stones spring to mind.
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It really surprises me how many experts there are south of the border on Scotland. I'm fairly confident that the majority of us know very little on the politics of other countries. How many could actually name the leaders of 10 other countries for example? How about politicians in the US beyond Trump, Biden and their vices? Who is Trudeau's number 2? The only reason we know who Macron's wife is because of the media's interest in their age gap.
How much coverage does Sturgeon actually get in England other than Covid and Independence plus the odd comment in Westminster about "education failures". There's always anti-sturgeon article on the home page of the Daily Express but then, there is an anti-anyone who isn't a white brexiteering male... |
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"Let's be fair. Sturgeon and the SNP are failing at pretty much everything
Your evidence for this is....
Are you being serious? Or just asking because you feel you have to disagree with everything I say? Or just stick up for her because she pretends to want to remain in the EU?
Google SNP failures, the list's as long as yer f.ckin arm
You can equally Google Tory failures and get a list that’s as long as both your arms....
Of course you can. So why did you ask me for evidence
The point is that you seem to be very concerned about the politics of a country that you apparently don’t live in or can vote for parties in the devolved government there.
Glass houses and stones spring to mind.
It really surprises me how many experts there are south of the border on Scotland. I'm fairly confident that the majority of us know very little on the politics of other countries. How many could actually name the leaders of 10 other countries for example? How about politicians in the US beyond Trump, Biden and their vices? Who is Trudeau's number 2? The only reason we know who Macron's wife is because of the media's interest in their age gap.
How much coverage does Sturgeon actually get in England other than Covid and Independence plus the odd comment in Westminster about "education failures". There's always anti-sturgeon article on the home page of the Daily Express but then, there is an anti-anyone who isn't a white brexiteering male..."
everyone’s an armchair expert on here bud and there opinion is fact lol |
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"Let's be fair. Sturgeon and the SNP are failing at pretty much everything
Your evidence for this is....
Are you being serious? Or just asking because you feel you have to disagree with everything I say? Or just stick up for her because she pretends to want to remain in the EU?
Google SNP failures, the list's as long as yer f.ckin arm
You can equally Google Tory failures and get a list that’s as long as both your arms....
Of course you can. So why did you ask me for evidence
The point is that you seem to be very concerned about the politics of a country that you apparently don’t live in or can vote for parties in the devolved government there.
Glass houses and stones spring to mind.
It really surprises me how many experts there are south of the border on Scotland. I'm fairly confident that the majority of us know very little on the politics of other countries. How many could actually name the leaders of 10 other countries for example? How about politicians in the US beyond Trump, Biden and their vices? Who is Trudeau's number 2? The only reason we know who Macron's wife is because of the media's interest in their age gap.
How much coverage does Sturgeon actually get in England other than Covid and Independence plus the odd comment in Westminster about "education failures". There's always anti-sturgeon article on the home page of the Daily Express but then, there is an anti-anyone who isn't a white brexiteering male..."
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
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"Let's be fair. Sturgeon and the SNP are failing at pretty much everything
Your evidence for this is....
Are you being serious? Or just asking because you feel you have to disagree with everything I say? Or just stick up for her because she pretends to want to remain in the EU?
Google SNP failures, the list's as long as yer f.ckin arm
You can equally Google Tory failures and get a list that’s as long as both your arms....
Of course you can. So why did you ask me for evidence
The point is that you seem to be very concerned about the politics of a country that you apparently don’t live in or can vote for parties in the devolved government there.
Glass houses and stones spring to mind.
It really surprises me how many experts there are south of the border on Scotland. I'm fairly confident that the majority of us know very little on the politics of other countries. How many could actually name the leaders of 10 other countries for example? How about politicians in the US beyond Trump, Biden and their vices? Who is Trudeau's number 2? The only reason we know who Macron's wife is because of the media's interest in their age gap.
How much coverage does Sturgeon actually get in England other than Covid and Independence plus the odd comment in Westminster about "education failures". There's always anti-sturgeon article on the home page of the Daily Express but then, there is an anti-anyone who isn't a white brexiteering male..."
We can read the daily record here too you know. |
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over a year ago
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence.
You do tickle me.glad to hear it but its political isnt it?
You do seem to have a rather skewed sense of priorities.
I'm assuming you are aware you have 1 or 2 issues in this country?Just quoting the latest news mate 6% higher than any part of Europe and 3 1/2 times higher than the uk overall.
worth mentioning i would say.
Nothing to do with having a pop at the woman who makes boris look even more of a clueless buffoon?
Not hard admittedly.Well she seems pretty clueless on preventing drug deaths wouldn't you say?
Have a good long hard think to yourself, now if it was the other way round what would be your position? be honest now. "
Do some research- Westminster has repeatedly refused to allow policies to deal with reducing drug deaths in Scotland. Why, I have no idea. There were several suggested in the last two years but as it’s not a devolved matter, there was nothing the Scottish government could do once they were vetoed. So.....like to reconsider the ‘blame’? |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence.
You do tickle me.glad to hear it but its political isnt it?
You do seem to have a rather skewed sense of priorities.
I'm assuming you are aware you have 1 or 2 issues in this country?Just quoting the latest news mate 6% higher than any part of Europe and 3 1/2 times higher than the uk overall.
worth mentioning i would say.
Nothing to do with having a pop at the woman who makes boris look even more of a clueless buffoon?
Not hard admittedly.Well she seems pretty clueless on preventing drug deaths wouldn't you say?
Have a good long hard think to yourself, now if it was the other way round what would be your position? be honest now.
Do some research- Westminster has repeatedly refused to allow policies to deal with reducing drug deaths in Scotland. Why, I have no idea. There were several suggested in the last two years but as it’s not a devolved matter, there was nothing the Scottish government could do once they were vetoed. So.....like to reconsider the ‘blame’?"
No? well its funny nicola has apologized today and said it was indefensible.I would get your facts right before blaming westminster for this one. |
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Westminster holds the power over drug laws/matters. It is not a devolved matter. So the issue is entirely with Westminster to enable a sensible way forward. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
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"Westminster holds the power over drug laws/matters. It is not a devolved matter. So the issue is entirely with Westminster to enable a sensible way forward. "
Its not the drug laws that are the problem they are the same across the uk its the fact scotland has had a 6% rise in drug deaths.Its the cuts in rehab that she is under attack for.
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There was a fella from a drugs charity in Scotland on 5 live before.
He said the problems go back to the 80s and are embedded in inequality and poverty.
Money is obviously an issue but he advocated a more radical policy,he quoted Switzerland and de-criminalisation.
He should have just come on here and blamed nicola.
On a seoerate note, I'm still waiting to hear who is responsible for the deep rooted drug problems in this country.
Somehow I dont think I'll get an answer. |
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"There was a fella from a drugs charity in Scotland on 5 live before.
He said the problems go back to the 80s and are embedded in inequality and poverty.
Money is obviously an issue but he advocated a more radical policy,he quoted Switzerland and de-criminalisation.
He should have just come on here and blamed nicola.
On a seoerate note, I'm still waiting to hear who is responsible for the deep rooted drug problems in this country.
Somehow I dont think I'll get an answer. "
What’s this thing you've got for Nicola? Me, I'm all for the SNP, as long as they're doing well in Scotland, Labour won't get anywhere near power in England .
I read that only 40% of addicts in Scotland are being treated compared to 60% in England and that their methadone doses aren't high enough, so they top up with other crap. Who is responsible for that?
The deep rooted problems stem back to the 60s and the politicians who think that smoking was just a bit of fun so don't encourage criminalisation for use or possession. Anyone who thinks drugs should be legalised should go and visit a mental health ward. And maybe take a bed next to the other patients while they're at it. Weed for many is a gateway drug and until the police and courts punish possession and dealing a lot more severely it will only get worse |
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"Westminster holds the power over drug laws/matters. It is not a devolved matter. So the issue is entirely with Westminster to enable a sensible way forward. Its not the drug laws that are the problem they are the same across the uk its the fact scotland has had a 6% rise in drug deaths.Its the cuts in rehab that she is under attack for."
Fact is Westminster has blocked plans to increase rehab and to instigate ways to reduce deaths. For many years Scotland has tried to put in place ways of reducing deaths but it is not devolved. How much clearer can I put it? |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
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Me too im all for nicola she is the one that will make sure labour will never get elected in the uk again.
She has decimated the labour vote in scotland and done the tories a big favour.
If the scots vote for independence im all for that too.
So many people on here take things personal just because i ask if she should concentrate more on Scotland rather than independence im told i know nothing about scotland,worry about my own government etc,some people are so touchy. |
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over a year ago
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"Westminster holds the power over drug laws/matters. It is not a devolved matter. So the issue is entirely with Westminster to enable a sensible way forward. Its not the drug laws that are the problem they are the same across the uk its the fact scotland has had a 6% rise in drug deaths.Its the cuts in rehab that she is under attack for.
Fact is Westminster has blocked plans to increase rehab and to instigate ways to reduce deaths. For many years Scotland has tried to put in place ways of reducing deaths but it is not devolved. How much clearer can I put it? "
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
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The deep rooted problems stem back to the 60s and the politicians who think that smoking was just a bit of fun so don't encourage criminalisation for use or possession. Anyone who thinks drugs should be legalised should go and visit a mental health ward. And maybe take a bed next to the other patients while they're at it. Weed for many is a gateway drug and until the police and courts punish possession and dealing a lot more severely it will only get worse "
You are correct that the deep rooted problems of drug addiction stretch back in time but it’s further than the 60’s
Opium addiction was around in the 19th century and before that.
But criminalisation just does not work as punishes the addict who most in need of help by placing them in the criminal justice system that in turn marginalises them from society creating even greater social problems.
The US tried this over 20 years ago with the war on drugs and the results have been disastrous.
The U.S. is suffering its worst addiction epidemic in American history. In 2016 alone, an estimated 64,000 Americans died from opioid overdoses—more than the combined death tolls for Americans in the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq Wars.
In Portugal, meanwhile, the drug-induced death rate has plummeted to five times lower than the E.U. average and stands at one-fiftieth of the United States’.
Its rate of HIV infection has dropped from 104.2 new cases per million in 2000 to 4.2 cases per million in 2015. Drug use has declined overall among the 15- to 24-year-old population, those most at risk of initiating drug use.
Drug use is a complex social problem but the blunt instrument court punishment is not the answer. Remove criminality from this and you might have a chance of resolving some of root causes.
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The deep rooted problems stem back to the 60s and the politicians who think that smoking was just a bit of fun so don't encourage criminalisation for use or possession. Anyone who thinks drugs should be legalised should go and visit a mental health ward. And maybe take a bed next to the other patients while they're at it. Weed for many is a gateway drug and until the police and courts punish possession and dealing a lot more severely it will only get worse
You are correct that the deep rooted problems of drug addiction stretch back in time but it’s further than the 60’s
Opium addiction was around in the 19th century and before that.
But criminalisation just does not work as punishes the addict who most in need of help by placing them in the criminal justice system that in turn marginalises them from society creating even greater social problems.
The US tried this over 20 years ago with the war on drugs and the results have been disastrous.
The U.S. is suffering its worst addiction epidemic in American history. In 2016 alone, an estimated 64,000 Americans died from opioid overdoses—more than the combined death tolls for Americans in the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq Wars.
In Portugal, meanwhile, the drug-induced death rate has plummeted to five times lower than the E.U. average and stands at one-fiftieth of the United States’.
Its rate of HIV infection has dropped from 104.2 new cases per million in 2000 to 4.2 cases per million in 2015. Drug use has declined overall among the 15- to 24-year-old population, those most at risk of initiating drug use.
Drug use is a complex social problem but the blunt instrument court punishment is not the answer. Remove criminality from this and you might have a chance of resolving some of root causes.
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Sure, we've all got opinions on this but it's more than just death rates that need to be looked at, mental health also ruins lives. How do you explain drug use falling for 15-24 year olds if it's legal? That doesn't make sense. And if one thing is legalised dealers will always find a way to replace it with something cheaper and more powerful. I spend a lot of time in Stoke and a lot of the dope smokers are now using monkey dust which is far more powerful and has become a real problem |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
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The deep rooted problems stem back to the 60s and the politicians who think that smoking was just a bit of fun so don't encourage criminalisation for use or possession. Anyone who thinks drugs should be legalised should go and visit a mental health ward. And maybe take a bed next to the other patients while they're at it. Weed for many is a gateway drug and until the police and courts punish possession and dealing a lot more severely it will only get worse
You are correct that the deep rooted problems of drug addiction stretch back in time but it’s further than the 60’s
Opium addiction was around in the 19th century and before that.
But criminalisation just does not work as punishes the addict who most in need of help by placing them in the criminal justice system that in turn marginalises them from society creating even greater social problems.
The US tried this over 20 years ago with the war on drugs and the results have been disastrous.
The U.S. is suffering its worst addiction epidemic in American history. In 2016 alone, an estimated 64,000 Americans died from opioid overdoses—more than the combined death tolls for Americans in the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq Wars.
In Portugal, meanwhile, the drug-induced death rate has plummeted to five times lower than the E.U. average and stands at one-fiftieth of the United States’.
Its rate of HIV infection has dropped from 104.2 new cases per million in 2000 to 4.2 cases per million in 2015. Drug use has declined overall among the 15- to 24-year-old population, those most at risk of initiating drug use.
Drug use is a complex social problem but the blunt instrument court punishment is not the answer. Remove criminality from this and you might have a chance of resolving some of root causes.
Sure, we've all got opinions on this but it's more than just death rates that need to be looked at, mental health also ruins lives. How do you explain drug use falling for 15-24 year olds if it's legal? That doesn't make sense. And if one thing is legalised dealers will always find a way to replace it with something cheaper and more powerful. I spend a lot of time in Stoke and a lot of the dope smokers are now using monkey dust which is far more powerful and has become a real problem "
Because people with substance issues are treated rather than jailed, they also have a better chance of avoiding or overcoming addiction.
There is also the attraction of taking part in illicit activities that can lead to addiction. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
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The deep rooted problems stem back to the 60s and the politicians who think that smoking was just a bit of fun so don't encourage criminalisation for use or possession. Anyone who thinks drugs should be legalised should go and visit a mental health ward. And maybe take a bed next to the other patients while they're at it. Weed for many is a gateway drug and until the police and courts punish possession and dealing a lot more severely it will only get worse
You are correct that the deep rooted problems of drug addiction stretch back in time but it’s further than the 60’s
Opium addiction was around in the 19th century and before that.
But criminalisation just does not work as punishes the addict who most in need of help by placing them in the criminal justice system that in turn marginalises them from society creating even greater social problems.
The US tried this over 20 years ago with the war on drugs and the results have been disastrous.
The U.S. is suffering its worst addiction epidemic in American history. In 2016 alone, an estimated 64,000 Americans died from opioid overdoses—more than the combined death tolls for Americans in the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq Wars.
In Portugal, meanwhile, the drug-induced death rate has plummeted to five times lower than the E.U. average and stands at one-fiftieth of the United States’.
Its rate of HIV infection has dropped from 104.2 new cases per million in 2000 to 4.2 cases per million in 2015. Drug use has declined overall among the 15- to 24-year-old population, those most at risk of initiating drug use.
Drug use is a complex social problem but the blunt instrument court punishment is not the answer. Remove criminality from this and you might have a chance of resolving some of root causes.
Sure, we've all got opinions on this but it's more than just death rates that need to be looked at, mental health also ruins lives. How do you explain drug use falling for 15-24 year olds if it's legal? That doesn't make sense. And if one thing is legalised dealers will always find a way to replace it with something cheaper and more powerful. I spend a lot of time in Stoke and a lot of the dope smokers are now using monkey dust which is far more powerful and has become a real problem
Because people with substance issues are treated rather than jailed, they also have a better chance of avoiding or overcoming addiction.
There is also the attraction of taking part in illicit activities that can lead to addiction."
This was the whole point of the thread the rehab had been constantly cut glad you agree. |
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"There was a fella from a drugs charity in Scotland on 5 live before.
He said the problems go back to the 80s and are embedded in inequality and poverty.
Money is obviously an issue but he advocated a more radical policy,he quoted Switzerland and de-criminalisation.
He should have just come on here and blamed nicola.
On a seoerate note, I'm still waiting to hear who is responsible for the deep rooted drug problems in this country.
Somehow I dont think I'll get an answer.
What’s this thing you've got for Nicola? Me, I'm all for the SNP, as long as they're doing well in Scotland, Labour won't get anywhere near power in England .
I read that only 40% of addicts in Scotland are being treated compared to 60% in England and that their methadone doses aren't high enough, so they top up with other crap. Who is responsible for that?
The deep rooted problems stem back to the 60s and the politicians who think that smoking was just a bit of fun so don't encourage criminalisation for use or possession. Anyone who thinks drugs should be legalised should go and visit a mental health ward. And maybe take a bed next to the other patients while they're at it. Weed for many is a gateway drug and until the police and courts punish possession and dealing a lot more severely it will only get worse "
A policy which has worked wonders so far
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The deep rooted problems stem back to the 60s and the politicians who think that smoking was just a bit of fun so don't encourage criminalisation for use or possession. Anyone who thinks drugs should be legalised should go and visit a mental health ward. And maybe take a bed next to the other patients while they're at it. Weed for many is a gateway drug and until the police and courts punish possession and dealing a lot more severely it will only get worse
You are correct that the deep rooted problems of drug addiction stretch back in time but it’s further than the 60’s
Opium addiction was around in the 19th century and before that.
But criminalisation just does not work as punishes the addict who most in need of help by placing them in the criminal justice system that in turn marginalises them from society creating even greater social problems.
The US tried this over 20 years ago with the war on drugs and the results have been disastrous.
The U.S. is suffering its worst addiction epidemic in American history. In 2016 alone, an estimated 64,000 Americans died from opioid overdoses—more than the combined death tolls for Americans in the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq Wars.
In Portugal, meanwhile, the drug-induced death rate has plummeted to five times lower than the E.U. average and stands at one-fiftieth of the United States’.
Its rate of HIV infection has dropped from 104.2 new cases per million in 2000 to 4.2 cases per million in 2015. Drug use has declined overall among the 15- to 24-year-old population, those most at risk of initiating drug use.
Drug use is a complex social problem but the blunt instrument court punishment is not the answer. Remove criminality from this and you might have a chance of resolving some of root causes.
Sure, we've all got opinions on this but it's more than just death rates that need to be looked at, mental health also ruins lives. How do you explain drug use falling for 15-24 year olds if it's legal? That doesn't make sense. And if one thing is legalised dealers will always find a way to replace it with something cheaper and more powerful. I spend a lot of time in Stoke and a lot of the dope smokers are now using monkey dust which is far more powerful and has become a real problem
Because people with substance issues are treated rather than jailed, they also have a better chance of avoiding or overcoming addiction.
There is also the attraction of taking part in illicit activities that can lead to addiction."
Well that's funny because I don't see as many kids smoking these days now that you have to be 18 to buy fags |
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"There was a fella from a drugs charity in Scotland on 5 live before.
He said the problems go back to the 80s and are embedded in inequality and poverty.
Money is obviously an issue but he advocated a more radical policy,he quoted Switzerland and de-criminalisation.
He should have just come on here and blamed nicola.
On a seoerate note, I'm still waiting to hear who is responsible for the deep rooted drug problems in this country.
Somehow I dont think I'll get an answer.
What’s this thing you've got for Nicola? Me, I'm all for the SNP, as long as they're doing well in Scotland, Labour won't get anywhere near power in England .
I read that only 40% of addicts in Scotland are being treated compared to 60% in England and that their methadone doses aren't high enough, so they top up with other crap. Who is responsible for that?
The deep rooted problems stem back to the 60s and the politicians who think that smoking was just a bit of fun so don't encourage criminalisation for use or possession. Anyone who thinks drugs should be legalised should go and visit a mental health ward. And maybe take a bed next to the other patients while they're at it. Weed for many is a gateway drug and until the police and courts punish possession and dealing a lot more severely it will only get worse
A policy which has worked wonders so far
And where are these 1000s of prisons going to be built?"
Drug laws have become more relaxed yet the problem has worsened. Explain that. And the Portugal example is not as clear cut as it seems if you look beyond the headlines |
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"There was a fella from a drugs charity in Scotland on 5 live before.
He said the problems go back to the 80s and are embedded in inequality and poverty.
Money is obviously an issue but he advocated a more radical policy,he quoted Switzerland and de-criminalisation.
He should have just come on here and blamed nicola.
On a seoerate note, I'm still waiting to hear who is responsible for the deep rooted drug problems in this country.
Somehow I dont think I'll get an answer.
What’s this thing you've got for Nicola? Me, I'm all for the SNP, as long as they're doing well in Scotland, Labour won't get anywhere near power in England .
I read that only 40% of addicts in Scotland are being treated compared to 60% in England and that their methadone doses aren't high enough, so they top up with other crap. Who is responsible for that?
The deep rooted problems stem back to the 60s and the politicians who think that smoking was just a bit of fun so don't encourage criminalisation for use or possession. Anyone who thinks drugs should be legalised should go and visit a mental health ward. And maybe take a bed next to the other patients while they're at it. Weed for many is a gateway drug and until the police and courts punish possession and dealing a lot more severely it will only get worse
A policy which has worked wonders so far
And where are these 1000s of prisons going to be built?
Drug laws have become more relaxed yet the problem has worsened. Explain that. And the Portugal example is not as clear cut as it seems if you look beyond the headlines "
Drugs are more freely available.
More people take them.
If you locked up every single person who took drugs..it would probally be about half the country.
Unsurprisingly the counties who have relaxed or progressive approach.. fair much better than us. |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
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The deep rooted problems stem back to the 60s and the politicians who think that smoking was just a bit of fun so don't encourage criminalisation for use or possession. Anyone who thinks drugs should be legalised should go and visit a mental health ward. And maybe take a bed next to the other patients while they're at it. Weed for many is a gateway drug and until the police and courts punish possession and dealing a lot more severely it will only get worse
You are correct that the deep rooted problems of drug addiction stretch back in time but it’s further than the 60’s
Opium addiction was around in the 19th century and before that.
But criminalisation just does not work as punishes the addict who most in need of help by placing them in the criminal justice system that in turn marginalises them from society creating even greater social problems.
The US tried this over 20 years ago with the war on drugs and the results have been disastrous.
The U.S. is suffering its worst addiction epidemic in American history. In 2016 alone, an estimated 64,000 Americans died from opioid overdoses—more than the combined death tolls for Americans in the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq Wars.
In Portugal, meanwhile, the drug-induced death rate has plummeted to five times lower than the E.U. average and stands at one-fiftieth of the United States’.
Its rate of HIV infection has dropped from 104.2 new cases per million in 2000 to 4.2 cases per million in 2015. Drug use has declined overall among the 15- to 24-year-old population, those most at risk of initiating drug use.
Drug use is a complex social problem but the blunt instrument court punishment is not the answer. Remove criminality from this and you might have a chance of resolving some of root causes.
Sure, we've all got opinions on this but it's more than just death rates that need to be looked at, mental health also ruins lives. How do you explain drug use falling for 15-24 year olds if it's legal? That doesn't make sense. And if one thing is legalised dealers will always find a way to replace it with something cheaper and more powerful. I spend a lot of time in Stoke and a lot of the dope smokers are now using monkey dust which is far more powerful and has become a real problem
Because people with substance issues are treated rather than jailed, they also have a better chance of avoiding or overcoming addiction.
There is also the attraction of taking part in illicit activities that can lead to addiction.
Well that's funny because I don't see as many kids smoking these days now that you have to be 18 to buy fags"
I don’t see many 16 year olds getting a criminal record for smoking a cigarette.
The decline in smoking is down to public health messages, programs to enable quitting and legislation on the advertising and promotion of cigarettes along with increased taxation.
The use of punishment on addiction only seeks to drive the problem underground and deter addicts from seeking help.
Complex problems need complex answers.
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The deep rooted problems stem back to the 60s and the politicians who think that smoking was just a bit of fun so don't encourage criminalisation for use or possession. Anyone who thinks drugs should be legalised should go and visit a mental health ward. And maybe take a bed next to the other patients while they're at it. Weed for many is a gateway drug and until the police and courts punish possession and dealing a lot more severely it will only get worse
You are correct that the deep rooted problems of drug addiction stretch back in time but it’s further than the 60’s
Opium addiction was around in the 19th century and before that.
But criminalisation just does not work as punishes the addict who most in need of help by placing them in the criminal justice system that in turn marginalises them from society creating even greater social problems.
The US tried this over 20 years ago with the war on drugs and the results have been disastrous.
The U.S. is suffering its worst addiction epidemic in American history. In 2016 alone, an estimated 64,000 Americans died from opioid overdoses—more than the combined death tolls for Americans in the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq Wars.
In Portugal, meanwhile, the drug-induced death rate has plummeted to five times lower than the E.U. average and stands at one-fiftieth of the United States’.
Its rate of HIV infection has dropped from 104.2 new cases per million in 2000 to 4.2 cases per million in 2015. Drug use has declined overall among the 15- to 24-year-old population, those most at risk of initiating drug use.
Drug use is a complex social problem but the blunt instrument court punishment is not the answer. Remove criminality from this and you might have a chance of resolving some of root causes.
Sure, we've all got opinions on this but it's more than just death rates that need to be looked at, mental health also ruins lives. How do you explain drug use falling for 15-24 year olds if it's legal? That doesn't make sense. And if one thing is legalised dealers will always find a way to replace it with something cheaper and more powerful. I spend a lot of time in Stoke and a lot of the dope smokers are now using monkey dust which is far more powerful and has become a real problem
Because people with substance issues are treated rather than jailed, they also have a better chance of avoiding or overcoming addiction.
There is also the attraction of taking part in illicit activities that can lead to addiction.
Well that's funny because I don't see as many kids smoking these days now that you have to be 18 to buy fags
I don’t see many 16 year olds getting a criminal record for smoking a cigarette.
The decline in smoking is down to public health messages, programs to enable quitting and legislation on the advertising and promotion of cigarettes along with increased taxation.
The use of punishment on addiction only seeks to drive the problem underground and deter addicts from seeking help.
Complex problems need complex answers.
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Complex yes but it's the dealers in particular who should be targeted with stricter punishment. And I understand what you are saying about those already addicted being pushed underground but you've got to start somewhere and if there is a lot stronger punishment for possession then it just might put people off taking drugs in the first place |
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The deep rooted problems stem back to the 60s and the politicians who think that smoking was just a bit of fun so don't encourage criminalisation for use or possession. Anyone who thinks drugs should be legalised should go and visit a mental health ward. And maybe take a bed next to the other patients while they're at it. Weed for many is a gateway drug and until the police and courts punish possession and dealing a lot more severely it will only get worse
You are correct that the deep rooted problems of drug addiction stretch back in time but it’s further than the 60’s
Opium addiction was around in the 19th century and before that.
But criminalisation just does not work as punishes the addict who most in need of help by placing them in the criminal justice system that in turn marginalises them from society creating even greater social problems.
The US tried this over 20 years ago with the war on drugs and the results have been disastrous.
The U.S. is suffering its worst addiction epidemic in American history. In 2016 alone, an estimated 64,000 Americans died from opioid overdoses—more than the combined death tolls for Americans in the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq Wars.
In Portugal, meanwhile, the drug-induced death rate has plummeted to five times lower than the E.U. average and stands at one-fiftieth of the United States’.
Its rate of HIV infection has dropped from 104.2 new cases per million in 2000 to 4.2 cases per million in 2015. Drug use has declined overall among the 15- to 24-year-old population, those most at risk of initiating drug use.
Drug use is a complex social problem but the blunt instrument court punishment is not the answer. Remove criminality from this and you might have a chance of resolving some of root causes.
Sure, we've all got opinions on this but it's more than just death rates that need to be looked at, mental health also ruins lives. How do you explain drug use falling for 15-24 year olds if it's legal? That doesn't make sense. And if one thing is legalised dealers will always find a way to replace it with something cheaper and more powerful. I spend a lot of time in Stoke and a lot of the dope smokers are now using monkey dust which is far more powerful and has become a real problem
Because people with substance issues are treated rather than jailed, they also have a better chance of avoiding or overcoming addiction.
There is also the attraction of taking part in illicit activities that can lead to addiction.
Well that's funny because I don't see as many kids smoking these days now that you have to be 18 to buy fags
I don’t see many 16 year olds getting a criminal record for smoking a cigarette.
The decline in smoking is down to public health messages, programs to enable quitting and legislation on the advertising and promotion of cigarettes along with increased taxation.
The use of punishment on addiction only seeks to drive the problem underground and deter addicts from seeking help.
Complex problems need complex answers.
Complex yes but it's the dealers in particular who should be targeted with stricter punishment. And I understand what you are saying about those already addicted being pushed underground but you've got to start somewhere and if there is a lot stronger punishment for possession then it just might put people off taking drugs in the first place "
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By *ild_oatsMan
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The deep rooted problems stem back to the 60s and the politicians who think that smoking was just a bit of fun so don't encourage criminalisation for use or possession. Anyone who thinks drugs should be legalised should go and visit a mental health ward. And maybe take a bed next to the other patients while they're at it. Weed for many is a gateway drug and until the police and courts punish possession and dealing a lot more severely it will only get worse
You are correct that the deep rooted problems of drug addiction stretch back in time but it’s further than the 60’s
Opium addiction was around in the 19th century and before that.
But criminalisation just does not work as punishes the addict who most in need of help by placing them in the criminal justice system that in turn marginalises them from society creating even greater social problems.
The US tried this over 20 years ago with the war on drugs and the results have been disastrous.
The U.S. is suffering its worst addiction epidemic in American history. In 2016 alone, an estimated 64,000 Americans died from opioid overdoses—more than the combined death tolls for Americans in the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq Wars.
In Portugal, meanwhile, the drug-induced death rate has plummeted to five times lower than the E.U. average and stands at one-fiftieth of the United States’.
Its rate of HIV infection has dropped from 104.2 new cases per million in 2000 to 4.2 cases per million in 2015. Drug use has declined overall among the 15- to 24-year-old population, those most at risk of initiating drug use.
Drug use is a complex social problem but the blunt instrument court punishment is not the answer. Remove criminality from this and you might have a chance of resolving some of root causes.
Sure, we've all got opinions on this but it's more than just death rates that need to be looked at, mental health also ruins lives. How do you explain drug use falling for 15-24 year olds if it's legal? That doesn't make sense. And if one thing is legalised dealers will always find a way to replace it with something cheaper and more powerful. I spend a lot of time in Stoke and a lot of the dope smokers are now using monkey dust which is far more powerful and has become a real problem
Because people with substance issues are treated rather than jailed, they also have a better chance of avoiding or overcoming addiction.
There is also the attraction of taking part in illicit activities that can lead to addiction.
Well that's funny because I don't see as many kids smoking these days now that you have to be 18 to buy fags
I don’t see many 16 year olds getting a criminal record for smoking a cigarette.
The decline in smoking is down to public health messages, programs to enable quitting and legislation on the advertising and promotion of cigarettes along with increased taxation.
The use of punishment on addiction only seeks to drive the problem underground and deter addicts from seeking help.
Complex problems need complex answers.
Complex yes but it's the dealers in particular who should be targeted with stricter punishment. And I understand what you are saying about those already addicted being pushed underground but you've got to start somewhere and if there is a lot stronger punishment for possession then it just might put people off taking drugs in the first place "
In that case should we hand out criminal records to every under 18 year old that smokes a cigarette or has a unsupervised alcohol drink....
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The deep rooted problems stem back to the 60s and the politicians who think that smoking was just a bit of fun so don't encourage criminalisation for use or possession. Anyone who thinks drugs should be legalised should go and visit a mental health ward. And maybe take a bed next to the other patients while they're at it. Weed for many is a gateway drug and until the police and courts punish possession and dealing a lot more severely it will only get worse
You are correct that the deep rooted problems of drug addiction stretch back in time but it’s further than the 60’s
Opium addiction was around in the 19th century and before that.
But criminalisation just does not work as punishes the addict who most in need of help by placing them in the criminal justice system that in turn marginalises them from society creating even greater social problems.
The US tried this over 20 years ago with the war on drugs and the results have been disastrous.
The U.S. is suffering its worst addiction epidemic in American history. In 2016 alone, an estimated 64,000 Americans died from opioid overdoses—more than the combined death tolls for Americans in the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq Wars.
In Portugal, meanwhile, the drug-induced death rate has plummeted to five times lower than the E.U. average and stands at one-fiftieth of the United States’.
Its rate of HIV infection has dropped from 104.2 new cases per million in 2000 to 4.2 cases per million in 2015. Drug use has declined overall among the 15- to 24-year-old population, those most at risk of initiating drug use.
Drug use is a complex social problem but the blunt instrument court punishment is not the answer. Remove criminality from this and you might have a chance of resolving some of root causes.
Sure, we've all got opinions on this but it's more than just death rates that need to be looked at, mental health also ruins lives. How do you explain drug use falling for 15-24 year olds if it's legal? That doesn't make sense. And if one thing is legalised dealers will always find a way to replace it with something cheaper and more powerful. I spend a lot of time in Stoke and a lot of the dope smokers are now using monkey dust which is far more powerful and has become a real problem
Because people with substance issues are treated rather than jailed, they also have a better chance of avoiding or overcoming addiction.
There is also the attraction of taking part in illicit activities that can lead to addiction.
Well that's funny because I don't see as many kids smoking these days now that you have to be 18 to buy fags
I don’t see many 16 year olds getting a criminal record for smoking a cigarette.
The decline in smoking is down to public health messages, programs to enable quitting and legislation on the advertising and promotion of cigarettes along with increased taxation.
The use of punishment on addiction only seeks to drive the problem underground and deter addicts from seeking help.
Complex problems need complex answers.
Complex yes but it's the dealers in particular who should be targeted with stricter punishment. And I understand what you are saying about those already addicted being pushed underground but you've got to start somewhere and if there is a lot stronger punishment for possession then it just might put people off taking drugs in the first place
In that case should we hand out criminal records to every under 18 year old that smokes a cigarette or has a unsupervised alcohol drink....
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The deep rooted problems stem back to the 60s and the politicians who think that smoking was just a bit of fun so don't encourage criminalisation for use or possession. Anyone who thinks drugs should be legalised should go and visit a mental health ward. And maybe take a bed next to the other patients while they're at it. Weed for many is a gateway drug and until the police and courts punish possession and dealing a lot more severely it will only get worse
You are correct that the deep rooted problems of drug addiction stretch back in time but it’s further than the 60’s
Opium addiction was around in the 19th century and before that.
But criminalisation just does not work as punishes the addict who most in need of help by placing them in the criminal justice system that in turn marginalises them from society creating even greater social problems.
The US tried this over 20 years ago with the war on drugs and the results have been disastrous.
The U.S. is suffering its worst addiction epidemic in American history. In 2016 alone, an estimated 64,000 Americans died from opioid overdoses—more than the combined death tolls for Americans in the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq Wars.
In Portugal, meanwhile, the drug-induced death rate has plummeted to five times lower than the E.U. average and stands at one-fiftieth of the United States’.
Its rate of HIV infection has dropped from 104.2 new cases per million in 2000 to 4.2 cases per million in 2015. Drug use has declined overall among the 15- to 24-year-old population, those most at risk of initiating drug use.
Drug use is a complex social problem but the blunt instrument court punishment is not the answer. Remove criminality from this and you might have a chance of resolving some of root causes.
Sure, we've all got opinions on this but it's more than just death rates that need to be looked at, mental health also ruins lives. How do you explain drug use falling for 15-24 year olds if it's legal? That doesn't make sense. And if one thing is legalised dealers will always find a way to replace it with something cheaper and more powerful. I spend a lot of time in Stoke and a lot of the dope smokers are now using monkey dust which is far more powerful and has become a real problem
Because people with substance issues are treated rather than jailed, they also have a better chance of avoiding or overcoming addiction.
There is also the attraction of taking part in illicit activities that can lead to addiction.
Well that's funny because I don't see as many kids smoking these days now that you have to be 18 to buy fags
I don’t see many 16 year olds getting a criminal record for smoking a cigarette.
The decline in smoking is down to public health messages, programs to enable quitting and legislation on the advertising and promotion of cigarettes along with increased taxation.
The use of punishment on addiction only seeks to drive the problem underground and deter addicts from seeking help.
Complex problems need complex answers.
Complex yes but it's the dealers in particular who should be targeted with stricter punishment. And I understand what you are saying about those already addicted being pushed underground but you've got to start somewhere and if there is a lot stronger punishment for possession then it just might put people off taking drugs in the first place
In that case should we hand out criminal records to every under 18 year old that smokes a cigarette or has a unsupervised alcohol drink....
Punish the sellers yes but not criminalise the kids because because smoking and drinking is a legal activity "
Only if you are over 18 ....
As you said “if there was stronger punishment for possession then it might put people off taking drugs in the first place”
Maybe you want to just flog and hang all the underage drinkers and smokers as well.......
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The deep rooted problems stem back to the 60s and the politicians who think that smoking was just a bit of fun so don't encourage criminalisation for use or possession. Anyone who thinks drugs should be legalised should go and visit a mental health ward. And maybe take a bed next to the other patients while they're at it. Weed for many is a gateway drug and until the police and courts punish possession and dealing a lot more severely it will only get worse
You are correct that the deep rooted problems of drug addiction stretch back in time but it’s further than the 60’s
Opium addiction was around in the 19th century and before that.
But criminalisation just does not work as punishes the addict who most in need of help by placing them in the criminal justice system that in turn marginalises them from society creating even greater social problems.
The US tried this over 20 years ago with the war on drugs and the results have been disastrous.
The U.S. is suffering its worst addiction epidemic in American history. In 2016 alone, an estimated 64,000 Americans died from opioid overdoses—more than the combined death tolls for Americans in the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq Wars.
In Portugal, meanwhile, the drug-induced death rate has plummeted to five times lower than the E.U. average and stands at one-fiftieth of the United States’.
Its rate of HIV infection has dropped from 104.2 new cases per million in 2000 to 4.2 cases per million in 2015. Drug use has declined overall among the 15- to 24-year-old population, those most at risk of initiating drug use.
Drug use is a complex social problem but the blunt instrument court punishment is not the answer. Remove criminality from this and you might have a chance of resolving some of root causes.
Sure, we've all got opinions on this but it's more than just death rates that need to be looked at, mental health also ruins lives. How do you explain drug use falling for 15-24 year olds if it's legal? That doesn't make sense. And if one thing is legalised dealers will always find a way to replace it with something cheaper and more powerful. I spend a lot of time in Stoke and a lot of the dope smokers are now using monkey dust which is far more powerful and has become a real problem
Because people with substance issues are treated rather than jailed, they also have a better chance of avoiding or overcoming addiction.
There is also the attraction of taking part in illicit activities that can lead to addiction.
Well that's funny because I don't see as many kids smoking these days now that you have to be 18 to buy fags
I don’t see many 16 year olds getting a criminal record for smoking a cigarette.
The decline in smoking is down to public health messages, programs to enable quitting and legislation on the advertising and promotion of cigarettes along with increased taxation.
The use of punishment on addiction only seeks to drive the problem underground and deter addicts from seeking help.
Complex problems need complex answers.
Complex yes but it's the dealers in particular who should be targeted with stricter punishment. And I understand what you are saying about those already addicted being pushed underground but you've got to start somewhere and if there is a lot stronger punishment for possession then it just might put people off taking drugs in the first place
In that case should we hand out criminal records to every under 18 year old that smokes a cigarette or has a unsupervised alcohol drink....
Punish the sellers yes but not criminalise the kids because because smoking and drinking is a legal activity
Only if you are over 18 ....
As you said “if there was stronger punishment for possession then it might put people off taking drugs in the first place”
Maybe you want to just flog and hang all the underage drinkers and smokers as well.......
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You can legally drink and smoke before 18 actually but that's not the point.
Is drug taking and possession legal if you're over 18?
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I didnt realise anyone was that naive.
Dealers dont come along and force people to take drugs.
Most people take drugs because they want too..and that is why there are always people willing to sell them.
And most people dont end up a strung out smackhead.
Dig out bill hicks piece on drugs for a grown up viewpoint.
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"It seems to me wee nicola should spend more time on the people of Scotland than her dream of independence. "
Same thing could be said about Boris and Covid, he should spend more time on the welfare of the people of England than his dream of an independent uk.
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"Westminster holds the power over drug laws/matters. It is not a devolved matter. So the issue is entirely with Westminster to enable a sensible way forward. Its not the drug laws that are the problem they are the same across the uk its the fact scotland has had a 6% rise in drug deaths.Its the cuts in rehab that she is under attack for.
Fact is Westminster has blocked plans to increase rehab and to instigate ways to reduce deaths. For many years Scotland has tried to put in place ways of reducing deaths but it is not devolved. How much clearer can I put it? Yes it is. "
No, it is not. That has prevented ways to reduce deaths and improve rehab because Westminster has vetoed it. It’s is not about throwing money into a system that does not work. It was about Scotland trying to adopt proven ways to tackle the dual issues that were refused. |
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"Westminster holds the power over drug laws/matters. It is not a devolved matter. So the issue is entirely with Westminster to enable a sensible way forward. Its not the drug laws that are the problem they are the same across the uk its the fact scotland has had a 6% rise in drug deaths.Its the cuts in rehab that she is under attack for.
Fact is Westminster has blocked plans to increase rehab and to instigate ways to reduce deaths. For many years Scotland has tried to put in place ways of reducing deaths but it is not devolved. How much clearer can I put it? Yes it is.
No, it is not. That has prevented ways to reduce deaths and improve rehab because Westminster has vetoed it. It’s is not about throwing money into a system that does not work. It was about Scotland trying to adopt proven ways to tackle the dual issues that were refused. "
Show me where the legislation is that has prevented scotland from improving rehab please.Because wee nicola doesnt seem to think it has.
The first minister said she was "sorry for every family that has suffered grief", saying they had been let down.
And she said she would chair a meeting of the drugs taskforce in January over what "immediate steps" could be taken.
Opposition parties said the government had cut rehabilitation services "to the bone" and repeated their calls for Public Health Minister Joe FitzPatrick to be sacked.
Ms Sturgeon said she wanted to work with Mr FitzPatrick "to make sure we collectively accept this responsibility and take the actions required to fix the problem". |
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By *ild_oatsMan
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The deep rooted problems stem back to the 60s and the politicians who think that smoking was just a bit of fun so don't encourage criminalisation for use or possession. Anyone who thinks drugs should be legalised should go and visit a mental health ward. And maybe take a bed next to the other patients while they're at it. Weed for many is a gateway drug and until the police and courts punish possession and dealing a lot more severely it will only get worse
You are correct that the deep rooted problems of drug addiction stretch back in time but it’s further than the 60’s
Opium addiction was around in the 19th century and before that.
But criminalisation just does not work as punishes the addict who most in need of help by placing them in the criminal justice system that in turn marginalises them from society creating even greater social problems.
The US tried this over 20 years ago with the war on drugs and the results have been disastrous.
The U.S. is suffering its worst addiction epidemic in American history. In 2016 alone, an estimated 64,000 Americans died from opioid overdoses—more than the combined death tolls for Americans in the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq Wars.
In Portugal, meanwhile, the drug-induced death rate has plummeted to five times lower than the E.U. average and stands at one-fiftieth of the United States’.
Its rate of HIV infection has dropped from 104.2 new cases per million in 2000 to 4.2 cases per million in 2015. Drug use has declined overall among the 15- to 24-year-old population, those most at risk of initiating drug use.
Drug use is a complex social problem but the blunt instrument court punishment is not the answer. Remove criminality from this and you might have a chance of resolving some of root causes.
Sure, we've all got opinions on this but it's more than just death rates that need to be looked at, mental health also ruins lives. How do you explain drug use falling for 15-24 year olds if it's legal? That doesn't make sense. And if one thing is legalised dealers will always find a way to replace it with something cheaper and more powerful. I spend a lot of time in Stoke and a lot of the dope smokers are now using monkey dust which is far more powerful and has become a real problem
Because people with substance issues are treated rather than jailed, they also have a better chance of avoiding or overcoming addiction.
There is also the attraction of taking part in illicit activities that can lead to addiction.
Well that's funny because I don't see as many kids smoking these days now that you have to be 18 to buy fags
I don’t see many 16 year olds getting a criminal record for smoking a cigarette.
The decline in smoking is down to public health messages, programs to enable quitting and legislation on the advertising and promotion of cigarettes along with increased taxation.
The use of punishment on addiction only seeks to drive the problem underground and deter addicts from seeking help.
Complex problems need complex answers.
Complex yes but it's the dealers in particular who should be targeted with stricter punishment. And I understand what you are saying about those already addicted being pushed underground but you've got to start somewhere and if there is a lot stronger punishment for possession then it just might put people off taking drugs in the first place
In that case should we hand out criminal records to every under 18 year old that smokes a cigarette or has a unsupervised alcohol drink....
Punish the sellers yes but not criminalise the kids because because smoking and drinking is a legal activity
Only if you are over 18 ....
As you said “if there was stronger punishment for possession then it might put people off taking drugs in the first place”
Maybe you want to just flog and hang all the underage drinkers and smokers as well.......
You can legally drink and smoke before 18 actually but that's not the point.
Is drug taking and possession legal if you're over 18?
Shakes head and walks away, you're just talking bollocks for the sake of it "
In Scotland any person under the age of 18 who buys or attempts to buy a tobacco product or cigarette papers commits an offence.
England, Wales and N.I. the laws are different.
I’m guessing that you are are not advocating teenage smoking even where it maybe permissible.
What are your constructive ways to deal with drug taking and the social problems that drive this??? |
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"Westminster holds the power over drug laws/matters. It is not a devolved matter. So the issue is entirely with Westminster to enable a sensible way forward. Its not the drug laws that are the problem they are the same across the uk its the fact scotland has had a 6% rise in drug deaths.Its the cuts in rehab that she is under attack for.
Fact is Westminster has blocked plans to increase rehab and to instigate ways to reduce deaths. For many years Scotland has tried to put in place ways of reducing deaths but it is not devolved. How much clearer can I put it? Yes it is.
No, it is not. That has prevented ways to reduce deaths and improve rehab because Westminster has vetoed it. It’s is not about throwing money into a system that does not work. It was about Scotland trying to adopt proven ways to tackle the dual issues that were refused. Show me where the legislation is that has prevented scotland from improving rehab please.Because wee nicola doesnt seem to think it has.
The first minister said she was "sorry for every family that has suffered grief", saying they had been let down.
And she said she would chair a meeting of the drugs taskforce in January over what "immediate steps" could be taken.
Opposition parties said the government had cut rehabilitation services "to the bone" and repeated their calls for Public Health Minister Joe FitzPatrick to be sacked.
Ms Sturgeon said she wanted to work with Mr FitzPatrick "to make sure we collectively accept this responsibility and take the actions required to fix the problem"."
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"I didnt realise anyone was that naive.
Dealers dont come along and force people to take drugs.
Most people take drugs because they want too..and that is why there are always people willing to sell them.
And most people dont end up a strung out smackhead.
Dig out bill hicks piece on drugs for a grown up viewpoint.
The war on drugs has been an abject failure and criminalizing even more people would make it even worse."
dont usually agree with you lionel but on this spot on.have been in that dark place myself many years ago and have seen mates gone before there time and still have mates in that hole.one thing i would say about re hab though is if the person has been forced into it and nit chosen that path themself. 9 times out of 10 its a waste of time and money |
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"Fact is Westminster has blocked plans to increase rehab and to instigate ways to reduce deaths. For many years Scotland has tried to put in place ways of reducing deaths but it is not devolved. How much clearer can I put it?
Show me where the legislation is that has prevented scotland from improving rehab please.Because wee nicola doesnt seem to think it has."
Drugs legislation is not devolved so look to Westminster for that. Scotland has put forward plans and proven methods to reduce deaths and improve rehab but they have been consistently rejected by Westminster.
Funding has been increased quite dramatically despite other parties comments.
Methadone programmes do not work. Last year Scotland had wanted to go forward with other tested ideas and rehab centres but it was vetoed. They wanted to open safe places for drug taking which is proven to bring more people into rehab programmes but this was closed down by Westminster.
I say ‘Scotland’ because this was a cross-party initiative, bringing ideas from other countries. It is the only country in the union putting forward sensible, joined-up ideas to the problem. The response from London has been utterly heartless. |
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