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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Labour's manifesto in the 1983 GE, sought to withdraw from the EEC.
Right..so did they push for us to withdraw?"
They promised ed it if they won the Election.
The seed of withdrawing was planted decades ago. Various leaders since then have skirted with the issue, but it only came to fruition with the election of a Conservative goverment with a working majority in 2015. |
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"Labour's manifesto in the 1983 GE, sought to withdraw from the EEC.
Right..so did they push for us to withdraw?
They promised ed it if they won the Election.
The seed of withdrawing was planted decades ago. Various leaders since then have skirted with the issue, but it only came to fruition with the election of a Conservative goverment with a working majority in 2015. "
The tories have always had a euro sceptic sector but even Thatcher saw the benefits of the eu.
So the question remains who was it that actually pushed for it? |
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over a year ago
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"Labour's manifesto in the 1983 GE, sought to withdraw from the EEC.
Right..so did they push for us to withdraw?
They promised ed it if they won the Election.
The seed of withdrawing was planted decades ago. Various leaders since then have skirted with the issue, but it only came to fruition with the election of a Conservative goverment with a working majority in 2015.
The tories have always had a euro sceptic sector but even Thatcher saw the benefits of the eu.
So the question remains who was it that actually pushed for it?"
I think you will find it was the people. Without their support the idea would never have gotten off the ground. Just accept it man |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Labour's manifesto in the 1983 GE, sought to withdraw from the EEC.
Right..so did they push for us to withdraw?
They promised ed it if they won the Election.
The seed of withdrawing was planted decades ago. Various leaders since then have skirted with the issue, but it only came to fruition with the election of a Conservative goverment with a working majority in 2015.
The tories have always had a euro sceptic sector but even Thatcher saw the benefits of the eu.
So the question remains who was it that actually pushed for it?"
David Cameron set out to get reforms from the EU during the 2010 to 2015 Goverment, with a promise of a referendum afterwards.
A Conservative MP introduced a Private Member's bill on such a referendum, in June 2013. |
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"Labour's manifesto in the 1983 GE, sought to withdraw from the EEC.
Right..so did they push for us to withdraw?
They promised ed it if they won the Election.
The seed of withdrawing was planted decades ago. Various leaders since then have skirted with the issue, but it only came to fruition with the election of a Conservative goverment with a working majority in 2015.
The tories have always had a euro sceptic sector but even Thatcher saw the benefits of the eu.
So the question remains who was it that actually pushed for it?
I think you will find it was the people. Without their support the idea would never have gotten off the ground. Just accept it man"
It's a simple question
You are rather touchy today you leavers
What people exactly?
I dont recall any large scale demonstrations in favour of leaving? |
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"Labour's manifesto in the 1983 GE, sought to withdraw from the EEC.
Right..so did they push for us to withdraw?
They promised ed it if they won the Election.
The seed of withdrawing was planted decades ago. Various leaders since then have skirted with the issue, but it only came to fruition with the election of a Conservative goverment with a working majority in 2015.
The tories have always had a euro sceptic sector but even Thatcher saw the benefits of the eu.
So the question remains who was it that actually pushed for it?
David Cameron set out to get reforms from the EU during the 2010 to 2015 Goverment, with a promise of a referendum afterwards.
A Conservative MP introduced a Private Member's bill on such a referendum, in June 2013."
Cameron was pro eu though wasmt he?
Didnt he do it just to.suptess the euro sceptic wing? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Labour's manifesto in the 1983 GE, sought to withdraw from the EEC.
Right..so did they push for us to withdraw?
They promised ed it if they won the Election.
The seed of withdrawing was planted decades ago. Various leaders since then have skirted with the issue, but it only came to fruition with the election of a Conservative goverment with a working majority in 2015.
The tories have always had a euro sceptic sector but even Thatcher saw the benefits of the eu.
So the question remains who was it that actually pushed for it?
I think you will find it was the people. Without their support the idea would never have gotten off the ground. Just accept it man
It's a simple question
You are rather touchy today you leavers
What people exactly?
I dont recall any large scale demonstrations in favour of leaving?"
Do you recall any large votes in favour of leaving? Do you not recall the rise of UKIP? |
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"Labour's manifesto in the 1983 GE, sought to withdraw from the EEC.
Right..so did they push for us to withdraw?
They promised ed it if they won the Election.
The seed of withdrawing was planted decades ago. Various leaders since then have skirted with the issue, but it only came to fruition with the election of a Conservative goverment with a working majority in 2015.
The tories have always had a euro sceptic sector but even Thatcher saw the benefits of the eu.
So the question remains who was it that actually pushed for it?
I think you will find it was the people. Without their support the idea would never have gotten off the ground. Just accept it man
It's a simple question
You are rather touchy today you leavers
What people exactly?
I dont recall any large scale demonstrations in favour of leaving?
Do you recall any large votes in favour of leaving? Do you not recall the rise of UKIP? "
Before Brexit?
No
How many seats did ukip win again? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
Some of the British public were pissed off that they never got a promised vote on the Treaty of Lisbon.
Various Eurosceptic groups fed into this, coupled with a negative perception of money going east to the newly admitted countries, and a flow of migrant labour coming the other way. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Labour's manifesto in the 1983 GE, sought to withdraw from the EEC.
Right..so did they push for us to withdraw?
They promised ed it if they won the Election.
The seed of withdrawing was planted decades ago. Various leaders since then have skirted with the issue, but it only came to fruition with the election of a Conservative goverment with a working majority in 2015.
The tories have always had a euro sceptic sector but even Thatcher saw the benefits of the eu.
So the question remains who was it that actually pushed for it?
I think you will find it was the people. Without their support the idea would never have gotten off the ground. Just accept it man
It's a simple question
You are rather touchy today you leavers
What people exactly?
I dont recall any large scale demonstrations in favour of leaving?
Do you recall any large votes in favour of leaving? Do you not recall the rise of UKIP?
Before Brexit?
No
How many seats did ukip win again?"
How many million votes did they get and how many seats in the EU parliament did they win? |
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"Some of the British public were pissed off that they never got a promised vote on the Treaty of Lisbon.
Various Eurosceptic groups fed into this, coupled with a negative perception of money going east to the newly admitted countries, and a flow of migrant labour coming the other way. "
Europe wasnt a big issue amongst people before the ref.
Imho
It seems like we have jumped off a cliff to appease some crackpot tories.
Who was the 'brains 'behind it? |
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"Labour's manifesto in the 1983 GE, sought to withdraw from the EEC.
Right..so did they push for us to withdraw?
They promised ed it if they won the Election.
The seed of withdrawing was planted decades ago. Various leaders since then have skirted with the issue, but it only came to fruition with the election of a Conservative goverment with a working majority in 2015.
The tories have always had a euro sceptic sector but even Thatcher saw the benefits of the eu.
So the question remains who was it that actually pushed for it?
I think you will find it was the people. Without their support the idea would never have gotten off the ground. Just accept it man
It's a simple question
You are rather touchy today you leavers
What people exactly?
I dont recall any large scale demonstrations in favour of leaving?
Do you recall any large votes in favour of leaving? Do you not recall the rise of UKIP?
Before Brexit?
No
How many seats did ukip win again?
How many million votes did they get and how many seats in the EU parliament did they win? "
I'll simply asked the question again
How many seats did ukip get in this country? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Some of the British public were pissed off that they never got a promised vote on the Treaty of Lisbon.
Various Eurosceptic groups fed into this, coupled with a negative perception of money going east to the newly admitted countries, and a flow of migrant labour coming the other way.
Europe wasnt a big issue amongst people before the ref.
Imho
It seems like we have jumped off a cliff to appease some crackpot tories.
Who was the 'brains 'behind it?"
Europe was a big issue before the Referendum. The UK has always had an uncomfortable relationship with the EU. |
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over a year ago
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"Genuine question
Who proposed it?who was behind it?
Who was instrumental in bringing it about?
I'm assuming some esteemed economic experts were involved?"
The same people who will benefit from it.
US corporations, especially those involved in the pharmaceutical and food produce industries.
Ultra wealthy who want to continue to avoid paying taxes. IE the ERG.
Currency traders who wanted to short sterling. IE the ERG lads again.
Business owners who wanted to remove environmental and labour laws. IE Tim Martin.
The Russians. Who presumably just wanted to weaken and isolate the UK. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Labour's manifesto in the 1983 GE, sought to withdraw from the EEC.
Right..so did they push for us to withdraw?
They promised ed it if they won the Election.
The seed of withdrawing was planted decades ago. Various leaders since then have skirted with the issue, but it only came to fruition with the election of a Conservative goverment with a working majority in 2015.
The tories have always had a euro sceptic sector but even Thatcher saw the benefits of the eu.
So the question remains who was it that actually pushed for it?
I think you will find it was the people. Without their support the idea would never have gotten off the ground. Just accept it man
It's a simple question
You are rather touchy today you leavers
What people exactly?
I dont recall any large scale demonstrations in favour of leaving?
Do you recall any large votes in favour of leaving? Do you not recall the rise of UKIP?
Before Brexit?
No
How many seats did ukip win again?
How many million votes did they get and how many seats in the EU parliament did they win?
I'll simply asked the question again
How many seats did ukip get in this country?"
And I'll simply ask the question again
How many votes did they get and how many seats in the EU parliament did they get? |
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"Some of the British public were pissed off that they never got a promised vote on the Treaty of Lisbon.
Various Eurosceptic groups fed into this, coupled with a negative perception of money going east to the newly admitted countries, and a flow of migrant labour coming the other way.
Europe wasnt a big issue amongst people before the ref.
Imho
It seems like we have jumped off a cliff to appease some crackpot tories.
Who was the 'brains 'behind it?
Europe was a big issue before the Referendum. The UK has always had an uncomfortable relationship with the EU. "
I dont recall any election pre 2017 being primarily about Europe |
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"Labour's manifesto in the 1983 GE, sought to withdraw from the EEC.
Right..so did they push for us to withdraw?
They promised ed it if they won the Election.
The seed of withdrawing was planted decades ago. Various leaders since then have skirted with the issue, but it only came to fruition with the election of a Conservative goverment with a working majority in 2015.
The tories have always had a euro sceptic sector but even Thatcher saw the benefits of the eu.
So the question remains who was it that actually pushed for it?
I think you will find it was the people. Without their support the idea would never have gotten off the ground. Just accept it man
It's a simple question
You are rather touchy today you leavers
What people exactly?
I dont recall any large scale demonstrations in favour of leaving?
Do you recall any large votes in favour of leaving? Do you not recall the rise of UKIP?
Before Brexit?
No
How many seats did ukip win again?
How many million votes did they get and how many seats in the EU parliament did they win?
I'll simply asked the question again
How many seats did ukip get in this country?
And I'll simply ask the question again
How many votes did they get and how many seats in the EU parliament did they get? "
2014 European Elections
The most successful party overall was the UK Independence Party (UKIP) which won 24 seats and 27% of the popular vote, the first time a political party other than the Labour Party or Conservative Party had won the popular vote at a British election since the 1906 general election. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Labour's manifesto in the 1983 GE, sought to withdraw from the EEC.
Right..so did they push for us to withdraw?
They promised ed it if they won the Election.
The seed of withdrawing was planted decades ago. Various leaders since then have skirted with the issue, but it only came to fruition with the election of a Conservative goverment with a working majority in 2015.
The tories have always had a euro sceptic sector but even Thatcher saw the benefits of the eu.
So the question remains who was it that actually pushed for it?
I think you will find it was the people. Without their support the idea would never have gotten off the ground. Just accept it man
It's a simple question
You are rather touchy today you leavers
What people exactly?
I dont recall any large scale demonstrations in favour of leaving?
Do you recall any large votes in favour of leaving? Do you not recall the rise of UKIP?
Before Brexit?
No
How many seats did ukip win again?
How many million votes did they get and how many seats in the EU parliament did they win?
I'll simply asked the question again
How many seats did ukip get in this country?
And I'll simply ask the question again
How many votes did they get and how many seats in the EU parliament did they get?
2014 European Elections
The most successful party overall was the UK Independence Party (UKIP) which won 24 seats and 27% of the popular vote, the first time a political party other than the Labour Party or Conservative Party had won the popular vote at a British election since the 1906 general election."
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I think ukip played a big part but always had the problem of the first past the post system we have. The greens had the same problem getting millions of votes but not reflected in the HOC. When it came to the EU elections ukip / brexit party won convincingly. I think Cameron thought he could put it to bed once and for all |
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"Labour's manifesto in the 1983 GE, sought to withdraw from the EEC.
Right..so did they push for us to withdraw?
They promised ed it if they won the Election.
The seed of withdrawing was planted decades ago. Various leaders since then have skirted with the issue, but it only came to fruition with the election of a Conservative goverment with a working majority in 2015.
The tories have always had a euro sceptic sector but even Thatcher saw the benefits of the eu.
So the question remains who was it that actually pushed for it?
I think you will find it was the people. Without their support the idea would never have gotten off the ground. Just accept it man
It's a simple question
You are rather touchy today you leavers
What people exactly?
I dont recall any large scale demonstrations in favour of leaving?
Do you recall any large votes in favour of leaving? Do you not recall the rise of UKIP?
Before Brexit?
No
How many seats did ukip win again?
How many million votes did they get and how many seats in the EU parliament did they win?
I'll simply asked the question again
How many seats did ukip get in this country?
And I'll simply ask the question again
How many votes did they get and how many seats in the EU parliament did they get?
2014 European Elections
The most successful party overall was the UK Independence Party (UKIP) which won 24 seats and 27% of the popular vote, the first time a political party other than the Labour Party or Conservative Party had won the popular vote at a British election since the 1906 general election."
How,many uk seats did they win?
It's really not a complicated question |
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"Labour's manifesto in the 1983 GE, sought to withdraw from the EEC.
Right..so did they push for us to withdraw?
They promised ed it if they won the Election.
The seed of withdrawing was planted decades ago. Various leaders since then have skirted with the issue, but it only came to fruition with the election of a Conservative goverment with a working majority in 2015.
The tories have always had a euro sceptic sector but even Thatcher saw the benefits of the eu.
So the question remains who was it that actually pushed for it?
I think you will find it was the people. Without their support the idea would never have gotten off the ground. Just accept it man
It's a simple question
You are rather touchy today you leavers
What people exactly?
I dont recall any large scale demonstrations in favour of leaving?
Do you recall any large votes in favour of leaving? Do you not recall the rise of UKIP?
Before Brexit?
No
How many seats did ukip win again?
How many million votes did they get and how many seats in the EU parliament did they win?
I'll simply asked the question again
How many seats did ukip get in this country?
And I'll simply ask the question again
How many votes did they get and how many seats in the EU parliament did they get?
2014 European Elections
The most successful party overall was the UK Independence Party (UKIP) which won 24 seats and 27% of the popular vote, the first time a political party other than the Labour Party or Conservative Party had won the popular vote at a British election since the 1906 general election."
I could have sworn I said in The UK elections?
Perhaps you misunderstood? |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Genuine question
Who proposed it?who was behind it?
Who was instrumental in bringing it about?
I'm assuming some esteemed economic experts were involved?"
The people simple as that.When will people like you realise this has nothing to do with economics. |
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"Genuine question
Who proposed it?who was behind it?
Who was instrumental in bringing it about?
I'm assuming some esteemed economic experts were involved?The people simple as that.When will people like you realise this has nothing to do with economics."
Obviously why are in the middle of trade talks then
What's it's about? |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I think ukip played a big part but always had the problem of the first past the post system we have. The greens had the same problem getting millions of votes but not reflected in the HOC. When it came to the EU elections ukip / brexit party won convincingly. I think Cameron thought he could put it to bed once and for all"
True because he thought he knew best and did not put up any credible objections to us leaving.He thought he was superior and that would influence people
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"Genuine question
Who proposed it?who was behind it?
Who was instrumental in bringing it about?
I'm assuming some esteemed economic experts were involved?The people simple as that.When will people like you realise this has nothing to do with economics."
Sometimes it feels like people here are having a competition to see who can post the most ridiculous nonsence they can think of. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Genuine question
Who proposed it?who was behind it?
Who was instrumental in bringing it about?
I'm assuming some esteemed economic experts were involved?The people simple as that.When will people like you realise this has nothing to do with economics.
Sometimes it feels like people here are having a competition to see who can post the most ridiculous nonsence they can think of."
Ladies and gentlemen we have a winner! |
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"Labour's manifesto in the 1983 GE, sought to withdraw from the EEC.
Right..so did they push for us to withdraw?
They promised ed it if they won the Election.
The seed of withdrawing was planted decades ago. Various leaders since then have skirted with the issue, but it only came to fruition with the election of a Conservative goverment with a working majority in 2015.
The tories have always had a euro sceptic sector but even Thatcher saw the benefits of the eu.
So the question remains who was it that actually pushed for it?"
I thought that Cameron had agreed to it to get support to be leader and fend off pressure from Farage and not split the party. He offered the referendum when not expecting to win a majority. So, a promise he never expected to have to honour. Something like that? |
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The vote to leave Europe was primarily a populist protest vote, in the same way as trump's election in America, we in Ireland experienced the same thing in this year's general election with a huge 25%vote for our populist party, sinn fein, what all 3 have in common is that they appealed to a underlining frustration by ordinary working people who are constantly being preached to and verbally abused by a smug superior middle class,ordinary people responded to the simple,vague 3 word slogans provided by the populist parties, "Take back control" in the uk, "Make America great" in the trump election,and Time for change"in the Irish election,
Unfortunately such rash voteing decisions have consequences, we have seen how trump's election tore America apart, it is to early to judge what the rise of sinn fein will mean in Ireland, in the UK Europe have been blamed for all the social and political problems, now the UK has left Europe but all the problems remain and it will be interesting to see who the next scapegoat will be |
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"Labour's manifesto in the 1983 GE, sought to withdraw from the EEC.
Right..so did they push for us to withdraw?
They promised ed it if they won the Election.
The seed of withdrawing was planted decades ago. Various leaders since then have
skirted with the issue, but it only came to fruition with the election of a Conservative goverment with a working majority in 2015.
The tories have always had a euro sceptic sector but even Thatcher saw the benefits of the eu.
So the question remains who was it that actually pushed for it?
I thought that Cameron had agreed to it to get support to be leader and fend off pressure from Farage and not split the party. He offered the referendum when not expecting to win a majority. So, a promise he never expected to have to honour. Something like that?"
Yeah that's how I recall it.
He wanted to crush the euro sceptic wing and never thought they would lose.
There must have been some influential people behind it
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"The vote to leave Europe was primarily a populist protest vote, in the same way as trump's election in America, we in Ireland experienced the same thing in this year's general election with a huge 25%vote for our populist party, sinn fein, what all 3 have in common is that they appealed to a underlining frustration by ordinary working people who are constantly being preached to and verbally abused by a smug superior middle class,ordinary people responded to the simple,vague 3 word slogans provided by the populist parties, "Take back control" in the uk, "Make America great" in the trump election,and Time for change"in the Irish election,
Unfortunately such rash voteing decisions have consequences, we have seen how trump's election tore America apart, it is to early to judge what the rise of sinn fein will mean in Ireland, in the UK Europe have been blamed for all the social and political problems, now the UK has left Europe but all the problems remain and it will be interesting to see who the next scapegoat will be "
So far the scapegoat has been remainers. Or still the EU. |
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"The vote to leave Europe was primarily a populist protest vote, in the same way as trump's election in America, we in Ireland experienced the same thing in this year's general election with a huge 25%vote for our populist party, sinn fein, what all 3 have in common is that they appealed to a underlining frustration by ordinary working people who are constantly being preached to and verbally abused by a smug superior middle class,ordinary people responded to the simple,vague 3 word slogans provided by the populist parties, "Take back control" in the uk, "Make America great" in the trump election,and Time for change"in the Irish election,
Unfortunately such rash voteing decisions have consequences, we have seen how trump's election tore America apart, it is to early to judge what the rise of sinn fein will mean in Ireland, in the UK Europe have been blamed for all the social and political problems, now the UK has left Europe but all the problems remain and it will be interesting to see who the next scapegoat will be "
Populist 
A term devised by losers |
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"The vote to leave Europe was primarily a populist protest vote, in the same way as trump's election in America, we in Ireland experienced the same thing in this year's general election with a huge 25%vote for our populist party, sinn fein, what all 3 have in common is that they appealed to a underlining frustration by ordinary working people who are constantly being preached to and verbally abused by a smug superior middle class,ordinary people responded to the simple,vague 3 word slogans provided by the populist parties, "Take back control" in the uk, "Make America great" in the trump election,and Time for change"in the Irish election,
Unfortunately such rash voteing decisions have consequences, we have seen how trump's election tore America apart, it is to early to judge what the rise of sinn fein will mean in Ireland, in the UK Europe have been blamed for all the social and political problems, now the UK has left Europe but all the problems remain and it will be interesting to see who the next scapegoat will be
Populist
A term devised by losers"
What like trump?
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"The vote to leave Europe was primarily a populist protest vote, in the same way as trump's election in America, we in Ireland experienced the same thing in this year's general election with a huge 25%vote for our populist party, sinn fein, what all 3 have in common is that they appealed to a underlining frustration by ordinary working people who are constantly being preached to and verbally abused by a smug superior middle class,ordinary people responded to the simple,vague 3 word slogans provided by the populist parties, "Take back control" in the uk, "Make America great" in the trump election,and Time for change"in the Irish election,
Unfortunately such rash voteing decisions have consequences, we have seen how trump's election tore America apart, it is to early to judge what the rise of sinn fein will mean in Ireland, in the UK Europe have been blamed for all the social and political problems, now the UK has left Europe but all the problems remain and it will be interesting to see who the next scapegoat will be
Populist
A term devised by losers
What like trump?
"
Has he used the term? |
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"The vote to leave Europe was primarily a populist protest vote, in the same way as trump's election in America, we in Ireland experienced the same thing in this year's general election with a huge 25%vote for our populist party, sinn fein, what all 3 have in common is that they appealed to a underlining frustration by ordinary working people who are constantly being preached to and verbally abused by a smug superior middle class,ordinary people responded to the simple,vague 3 word slogans provided by the populist parties, "Take back control" in the uk, "Make America great" in the trump election,and Time for change"in the Irish election,
Unfortunately such rash voteing decisions have consequences, we have seen how trump's election tore America apart, it is to early to judge what the rise of sinn fein will mean in Ireland, in the UK Europe have been blamed for all the social and political problems, now the UK has left Europe but all the problems remain and it will be interesting to see who the next scapegoat will be
Populist
A term devised by losers
What like trump?
Has he used the term? "
He always uses the term loser
As for populist..I think that includes the likes of the sin and the mail so quite apt. |
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"The vote to leave Europe was primarily a populist protest vote, in the same way as trump's election in America, we in Ireland experienced the same thing in this year's general election with a huge 25%vote for our populist party, sinn fein, what all 3 have in common is that they appealed to a underlining frustration by ordinary working people who are constantly being preached to and verbally abused by a smug superior middle class,ordinary people responded to the simple,vague 3 word slogans provided by the populist parties, "Take back control" in the uk, "Make America great" in the trump election,and Time for change"in the Irish election,
Unfortunately such rash voteing decisions have consequences, we have seen how trump's election tore America apart, it is to early to judge what the rise of sinn fein will mean in Ireland, in the UK Europe have been blamed for all the social and political problems, now the UK has left Europe but all the problems remain and it will be interesting to see who the next scapegoat will be
Populist
A term devised by losers
What like trump?
Has he used the term?
He always uses the term loser
As for populist..I think that includes the likes of the sin and the mail so quite apt."
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"The vote to leave Europe was primarily a populist protest vote, in the same way as trump's election in America, we in Ireland experienced the same thing in this year's general election with a huge 25%vote for our populist party, sinn fein, what all 3 have in common is that they appealed to a underlining frustration by ordinary working people who are constantly being preached to and verbally abused by a smug superior middle class,ordinary people responded to the simple,vague 3 word slogans provided by the populist parties, "Take back control" in the uk, "Make America great" in the trump election,and Time for change"in the Irish election,
Unfortunately such rash voteing decisions have consequences, we have seen how trump's election tore America apart, it is to early to judge what the rise of sinn fein will mean in Ireland, in the UK Europe have been blamed for all the social and political problems, now the UK has left Europe but all the problems remain and it will be interesting to see who the next scapegoat will be
Populist
A term devised by losers
What like trump?
Has he used the term?
He always uses the term loser
As for populist..I think that includes the likes of the sin and the mail so quite apt.
Is there something wrong with appealing to the concerns of the ordinary man? Do you think only the elite/rich matter? "
Can you explain what you mean by the ordinary man? |
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"The vote to leave Europe was primarily a populist protest vote, in the same way as trump's election in America, we in Ireland experienced the same thing in this year's general election with a huge 25%vote for our populist party, sinn fein, what all 3 have in common is that they appealed to a underlining frustration by ordinary working people who are constantly being preached to and verbally abused by a smug superior middle class,ordinary people responded to the simple,vague 3 word slogans provided by the populist parties, "Take back control" in the uk, "Make America great" in the trump election,and Time for change"in the Irish election,
Unfortunately such rash voteing decisions have consequences, we have seen how trump's election tore America apart, it is to early to judge what the rise of sinn fein will mean in Ireland, in the UK Europe have been blamed for all the social and political problems, now the UK has left Europe but all the problems remain and it will be interesting to see who the next scapegoat will be
Populist
A term devised by losers
What like trump?
Has he used the term?
He always uses the term loser
As for populist..I think that includes the likes of the sin and the mail so quite apt.
Is there something wrong with appealing to the concerns of the ordinary man? Do you think only the elite/rich matter?
Can you explain what you mean by the ordinary man?"
Me. Can you explain why people use the term populist when they should be using the term popular? |
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"The vote to leave Europe was primarily a populist protest vote, in the same way as trump's election in America, we in Ireland experienced the same thing in this year's general election with a huge 25%vote for our populist party, sinn fein, what all 3 have in common is that they appealed to a underlining frustration by ordinary working people who are constantly being preached to and verbally abused by a smug superior middle class,ordinary people responded to the simple,vague 3 word slogans provided by the populist parties, "Take back control" in the uk, "Make America great" in the trump election,and Time for change"in the Irish election,
Unfortunately such rash voteing decisions have consequences, we have seen how trump's election tore America apart, it is to early to judge what the rise of sinn fein will mean in Ireland, in the UK Europe have been blamed for all the social and political problems, now the UK has left Europe but all the problems remain and it will be interesting to see who the next scapegoat will be
Populist
A term devised by losers
What like trump?
Has he used the term?
He always uses the term loser
As for populist..I think that includes the likes of the sin and the mail so quite apt.
Is there something wrong with appealing to the concerns of the ordinary man? Do you think only the elite/rich matter?
Can you explain what you mean by the ordinary man?
Me. Can you explain why people use the term populist when they should be using the term popular? "
Well..trump for example is populist but is clearly not popular as he lost the election. |
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"The vote to leave Europe was primarily a populist protest vote, in the same way as trump's election in America, we in Ireland experienced the same thing in this year's general election with a huge 25%vote for our populist party, sinn fein, what all 3 have in common is that they appealed to a underlining frustration by ordinary working people who are constantly being preached to and verbally abused by a smug superior middle class,ordinary people responded to the simple,vague 3 word slogans provided by the populist parties, "Take back control" in the uk, "Make America great" in the trump election,and Time for change"in the Irish election,
Unfortunately such rash voteing decisions have consequences, we have seen how trump's election tore America apart, it is to early to judge what the rise of sinn fein will mean in Ireland, in the UK Europe have been blamed for all the social and political problems, now the UK has left Europe but all the problems remain and it will be interesting to see who the next scapegoat will be
Populist
A term devised by losers
What like trump?
Has he used the term?
He always uses the term loser
As for populist..I think that includes the likes of the sin and the mail so quite apt.
Is there something wrong with appealing to the concerns of the ordinary man? Do you think only the elite/rich matter?
Can you explain what you mean by the ordinary man?
Me. Can you explain why people use the term populist when they should be using the term popular?
Well..trump for example is populist but is clearly not popular as he lost the election. "
agree Lionel it’s the same with Corbyn he lost but some ppl still think he was popular it’s bonkers isn’t it lol |
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"The vote to leave Europe was primarily a populist protest vote, in the same way as trump's election in America, we in Ireland experienced the same thing in this year's general election with a huge 25%vote for our populist party, sinn fein, what all 3 have in common is that they appealed to a underlining frustration by ordinary working people who are constantly being preached to and verbally abused by a smug superior middle class,ordinary people responded to the simple,vague 3 word slogans provided by the populist parties, "Take back control" in the uk, "Make America great" in the trump election,and Time for change"in the Irish election,
Unfortunately such rash voteing decisions have consequences, we have seen how trump's election tore America apart, it is to early to judge what the rise of sinn fein will mean in Ireland, in the UK Europe have been blamed for all the social and political problems, now the UK has left Europe but all the problems remain and it will be interesting to see who the next scapegoat will be
Populist
A term devised by losers
What like trump?
Has he used the term?
He always uses the term loser
As for populist..I think that includes the likes of the sin and the mail so quite apt.
Is there something wrong with appealing to the concerns of the ordinary man? Do you think only the elite/rich matter?
Can you explain what you mean by the ordinary man?
Me. Can you explain why people use the term populist when they should be using the term popular?
Well..trump for example is populist but is clearly not popular as he lost the election. agree Lionel it’s the same with Corbyn he lost but some ppl still think he was popular it’s bonkers isn’t it lol"
Not really. |
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"The vote to leave Europe was primarily a populist protest vote, in the same way as trump's election in America, we in Ireland experienced the same thing in this year's general election with a huge 25%vote for our populist party, sinn fein, what all 3 have in common is that they appealed to a underlining frustration by ordinary working people who are constantly being preached to and verbally abused by a smug superior middle class,ordinary people responded to the simple,vague 3 word slogans provided by the populist parties, "Take back control" in the uk, "Make America great" in the trump election,and Time for change"in the Irish election,
Unfortunately such rash voteing decisions have consequences, we have seen how trump's election tore America apart, it is to early to judge what the rise of sinn fein will mean in Ireland, in the UK Europe have been blamed for all the social and political problems, now the UK has left Europe but all the problems remain and it will be interesting to see who the next scapegoat will be
Populist
A term devised by losers
What like trump?
Has he used the term?
He always uses the term loser
As for populist..I think that includes the likes of the sin and the mail so quite apt.
Is there something wrong with appealing to the concerns of the ordinary man? Do you think only the elite/rich matter?
Can you explain what you mean by the ordinary man?
Me. Can you explain why people use the term populist when they should be using the term popular?
Well..trump for example is populist but is clearly not popular as he lost the election. agree Lionel it’s the same with Corbyn he lost but some ppl still think he was popular it’s bonkers isn’t it lol
Not really."
worth a try lol
What I expected tbh |
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"Labour's manifesto in the 1983 GE, sought to withdraw from the EEC.
Right..so did they push for us to withdraw?
They promised ed it if they won the Election.
The seed of withdrawing was planted decades ago. Various leaders since then have skirted with the issue, but it only came to fruition with the election of a Conservative goverment with a working majority in 2015.
The tories have always had a euro sceptic sector but even Thatcher saw the benefits of the eu.
So the question remains who was it that actually pushed for it?"
The media pushed for it for over 30 years with their peddling of lies that over time brainwashed the easily fooled. |
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"See that the Brexit negation is still going on and through the night. If I were the EU would tell Boris Johnson to stick his Brexit up his arse. And accept to consequence of his actions. "
Actually it was the 17.5M UK citizens Brexit. But hey don't let that get in the way of your bitterness. |
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"See that the Brexit negation is still going on and through the night. If I were the EU would tell Boris Johnson to stick his Brexit up his arse. And accept to consequence of his actions.
Actually it was the 17.5M UK citizens Brexit. But hey don't let that get in the way of your bitterness. "
Sadly it's not only the 17.5 million who will suffer. They've inflicted this bullshit on the rest of us. |
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"See that the Brexit negation is still going on and through the night. If I were the EU would tell Boris Johnson to stick his Brexit up his arse. And accept to consequence of his actions.
Actually it was the 17.5M UK citizens Brexit. But hey don't let that get in the way of your bitterness. "
That sentence makes no sense. |
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"See that the Brexit negation is still going on and through the night. If I were the EU would tell Boris Johnson to stick his Brexit up his arse. And accept to consequence of his actions.
Actually it was the 17.5M UK citizens Brexit. But hey don't let that get in the way of your bitterness.
That sentence makes no sense."
That's a classic coming from you Lionel. |
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"The vote to leave Europe was primarily a populist protest vote, in the same way as trump's election in America, we in Ireland experienced the same thing in this year's general election with a huge 25%vote for our populist party, sinn fein, what all 3 have in common is that they appealed to a underlining frustration by ordinary working people who are constantly being preached to and verbally abused by a smug superior middle class,ordinary people responded to the simple,vague 3 word slogans provided by the populist parties, "Take back control" in the uk, "Make America great" in the trump election,and Time for change"in the Irish election,
Unfortunately such rash voteing decisions have consequences, we have seen how trump's election tore America apart, it is to early to judge what the rise of sinn fein will mean in Ireland, in the UK Europe have been blamed for all the social and political problems, now the UK has left Europe but all the problems remain and it will be interesting to see who the next scapegoat will be
Populist
A term devised by losers"
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"See that the Brexit negation is still going on and through the night. If I were the EU would tell Boris Johnson to stick his Brexit up his arse. And accept to consequence of his actions.
Actually it was the 17.5M UK citizens Brexit. But hey don't let that get in the way of your bitterness.
That sentence makes no sense.
That's a classic coming from you Lionel. "
Read what you wrote again.
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"See that the Brexit negation is still going on and through the night. If I were the EU would tell Boris Johnson to stick his Brexit up his arse. And accept to consequence of his actions.
Actually it was the 17.5M UK citizens Brexit. But hey don't let that get in the way of your bitterness.
That sentence makes no sense.
That's a classic coming from you Lionel.
Read what you wrote again.
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Perhaps you need it written in your native language.? |
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"See that the Brexit negation is still going on and through the night. If I were the EU would tell Boris Johnson to stick his Brexit up his arse. And accept to consequence of his actions.
Actually it was the 17.5M UK citizens Brexit. But hey don't let that get in the way of your bitterness.
That sentence makes no sense.
That's a classic coming from you Lionel.
Read what you wrote again.
Perhaps you need it written in your native language.?"
And what's my native language? |
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I have a question 
We all know we were lied to ahead of the Brexit vote by some who wanted to leave the EU. Why havent these people been held to account and punished for what they did ?
I know lots of people who voted to leave the EU have changed their minds now after seeing all that has happened since the vote was held.
So lets confuse things even more and have another referendum to see if GB would vote to leave or stay in the EU now  |
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"I have a question
We all know we were lied to ahead of the Brexit vote by some who wanted to leave the EU. Why havent these people been held to account and punished for what they did ?
I know lots of people who voted to leave the EU have changed their minds now after seeing all that has happened since the vote was held.
So lets confuse things even more and have another referendum to see if GB would vote to leave or stay in the EU now "
It won’t be long before a few Brexit voters lose their shit over that suggestion |
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"I have a question
We all know we were lied to ahead of the Brexit vote by some who wanted to leave the EU. Why havent these people been held to account and punished for what they did ?
I know lots of people who voted to leave the EU have changed their minds now after seeing all that has happened since the vote was held.
So lets confuse things even more and have another referendum to see if GB would vote to leave or stay in the EU now "
That will go down well
There was a fella on Jerry vine who admitted they lied.
Most leavers on here dont seem.to care..they got what they wanted
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"I have a question
We all know we were lied to ahead of the Brexit vote by some who wanted to leave the EU. Why havent these people been held to account and punished for what they did ?
I know lots of people who voted to leave the EU have changed their minds now after seeing all that has happened since the vote was held.
So lets confuse things even more and have another referendum to see if GB would vote to leave or stay in the EU now
That will go down well
There was a fella on Jerry vine who admitted they lied.
Most leavers on here dont seem.to care..they got what they wanted
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"I have a question
We all know we were lied to ahead of the Brexit vote by some who wanted to leave the EU. Why havent these people been held to account and punished for what they did ?
I know lots of people who voted to leave the EU have changed their minds now after seeing all that has happened since the vote was held.
So lets confuse things even more and have another referendum to see if GB would vote to leave or stay in the EU now
That will go down well
There was a fella on Jerry vine who admitted they lied.
Most leavers on here dont seem.to care..they got what they wanted
They seem to have gone very quiet . Prehaps they dont like my idea "
I think we're just being polite |
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No point arguing with leavers and blank profiles/trolls. They will never admit they've been decieved. They treat politics and brexit like a sports match.
There are no winners as the result of brexit. Industry and jobs don't care about your political affiliation. The UK will be suffer as a result of brexit.
The cost of Brexit so far is estimated to be £200 Billion. Our contributions to the EU between 1976 and 2018 is £216 Billion.
Cameron put the Brexit referendum forward because the Tories saw they were losing votes to UKIP. People were voting for UKIP because they were led to believe that their struggles were caused by foreigners and the EU. In reality it was caused by the Tories cuts.
The likes of Farage et al are not your friend. They are not typical blokes just because they smoke and drink pints on the camera. They don't have your best interests at heart. Why do you think they're moving to the EU to keep their EU citizenship? Why do you think these CEOs are moving some of their factories to the EU? These are the very same people who advocated for Brexit, and they can see it's going to be a shitshow so they've jumped ship. |
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