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What are the positive benefits to the UK of a no-deal Brexit? - Part 2
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"So far we have discovered 1. We now can catch as much fish as we like in UK waters. But loose access to EU waters and £100 million of exports to the EU as of 2019 figures. 2. Farmers can now cut down their hedges at a detriment to wildlife. 3. Blue Passport, printed in Poland. 4. UK government could end Zero hours contracts or not or even Zero contract all round. 5. Possibly of higher Road Vehicle Lighting Rules (RVLA) - I wonder how much that will add to the UK’s GDP. 6. A supposedly £9 Billion saving. Though this is likely to be offset by increased bureaucracy in dealing with WTO rules and loss of EU subsidies, grants and development aid to Uk regions. 7. Possibility of banning live animal exports by the end of 2021. But the NFU does not fully support this. - This is a good one. Do we have any more gems.... " We can now farm our own unicorns. | |||
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"So far we have discovered 1. We now can catch as much fish as we like in UK waters. But loose access to EU waters and £100 million of exports to the EU as of 2019 figures. 2. Farmers can now cut down their hedges at a detriment to wildlife. 3. Blue Passport, printed in Poland. 4. UK government could end Zero hours contracts or not or even Zero contract all round. 5. Possibly of higher Road Vehicle Lighting Rules (RVLA) - I wonder how much that will add to the UK’s GDP. 6. A supposedly £9 Billion saving. Though this is likely to be offset by increased bureaucracy in dealing with WTO rules and loss of EU subsidies, grants and development aid to Uk regions. 7. Possibility of banning live animal exports by the end of 2021. But the NFU does not fully support this. - This is a good one. Do we have any more gems.... We can now farm our own unicorns."  | |||
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"Unless you are a disaster capitalist, there are no advantages from a no deal brexit." Really? I thought you were a Labour voter and you can't think of anything? | |||
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"Unless you are a disaster capitalist, there are no advantages from a no deal brexit. Really? I thought you were a Labour voter and you can't think of anything? " I am not a labour voter. The only advantages from Brexit are for disaster capitalists | |||
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"Unless you are a disaster capitalist, there are no advantages from a no deal brexit. Really? I thought you were a Labour voter and you can't think of anything? I am not a labour voter. The only advantages from Brexit are for disaster capitalists" Oh sorry. No they are not, there are also advantages if you are a socialist | |||
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"Unless you are a disaster capitalist, there are no advantages from a no deal brexit. Really? I thought you were a Labour voter and you can't think of anything? I am not a labour voter. The only advantages from Brexit are for disaster capitalists Oh sorry. No they are not, there are also advantages if you are a socialist " Do tell? | |||
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"Unless you are a disaster capitalist, there are no advantages from a no deal brexit. Really? I thought you were a Labour voter and you can't think of anything? I am not a labour voter. The only advantages from Brexit are for disaster capitalists Oh sorry. No they are not, there are also advantages if you are a socialist Do tell? " Do tell? Thought it was obvious. Under a no deal you are free to provide state aid and nationalise industries, isn't that what socialism is about? | |||
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"Unless you are a disaster capitalist, there are no advantages from a no deal brexit. Really? I thought you were a Labour voter and you can't think of anything? I am not a labour voter. The only advantages from Brexit are for disaster capitalists Oh sorry. No they are not, there are also advantages if you are a socialist Do tell? Do tell? Thought it was obvious. Under a no deal you are free to provide state aid and nationalise industries, isn't that what socialism is about? " Every socialist's wet dream i would have thought. | |||
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"So far we have discovered 1. We now can catch as much fish as we like in UK waters. But loose access to EU waters and £100 million of exports to the EU as of 2019 figures. 2. Farmers can now cut down their hedges at a detriment to wildlife. 3. Blue Passport, printed in Poland. 4. UK government could end Zero hours contracts or not or even Zero contract all round. 5. Possibly of higher Road Vehicle Lighting Rules (RVLA) - I wonder how much that will add to the UK’s GDP. 6. A supposedly £9 Billion saving. Though this is likely to be offset by increased bureaucracy in dealing with WTO rules and loss of EU subsidies, grants and development aid to Uk regions. 7. Possibility of banning live animal exports by the end of 2021. But the NFU does not fully support this. - This is a good one. Do we have any more gems.... " Someone on another thread was suggesting that when the government can reduce workers rights, they might not. | |||
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"To be fair, some state aid is allowed... If approved by the EU Commission "True .With corbyns plans to nationalize the railways ,water,electric in the last election he knew it would be impossible inside the eu so i dont know why he sat on the fence.If he had been honest and said we have to leave to achieve this he may have had more credibility and won. | |||
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"To be fair, some state aid is allowed... If approved by the EU Commission "That’s how PSA constantly get bailed out by the French government I guess? | |||
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"Unless you are a disaster capitalist, there are no advantages from a no deal brexit. Really? I thought you were a Labour voter and you can't think of anything? I am not a labour voter. The only advantages from Brexit are for disaster capitalists Oh sorry. No they are not, there are also advantages if you are a socialist Do tell? Do tell? Thought it was obvious. Under a no deal you are free to provide state aid and nationalise industries, isn't that what socialism is about? " And that's going to happen is it? | |||
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"To be fair, some state aid is allowed... If approved by the EU Commission True .With corbyns plans to nationalize the railways ,water,electric in the last election he knew it would be impossible inside the eu so i dont know why he sat on the fence.If he had been honest and said we have to leave to achieve this he may have had more credibility and won."https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/29/northern-rail-franchise-to-be-renationalised | |||
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"To be fair, some state aid is allowed... If approved by the EU Commission True .With corbyns plans to nationalize the railways ,water,electric in the last election he knew it would be impossible inside the eu so i dont know why he sat on the fence.If he had been honest and said we have to leave to achieve this he may have had more credibility and won."Maybe he wanted people to vote based on their own views and what they thought was the right thing to do and not what he did? I guess most prefer to be swayed by their politics and whatever bollocks their chosen party feeds them instead  | |||
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"To be fair, some state aid is allowed... If approved by the EU Commission True .With corbyns plans to nationalize the railways ,water,electric in the last election he knew it would be impossible inside the eu so i dont know why he sat on the fence.If he had been honest and said we have to leave to achieve this he may have had more credibility and won."I do find it quite sweet how you manage to shoehorn him into every debate. | |||
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"To be fair, some state aid is allowed... If approved by the EU Commission True .With corbyns plans to nationalize the railways ,water,electric in the last election he knew it would be impossible inside the eu so i dont know why he sat on the fence.If he had been honest and said we have to leave to achieve this he may have had more credibility and won.
Maybe he wanted people to vote based on their own views and what they thought was the right thing to do and not what he did? I guess most prefer to be swayed by their politics and whatever bollocks their chosen party feeds them instead " | |||
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"Unless you are a disaster capitalist, there are no advantages from a no deal brexit. Really? I thought you were a Labour voter and you can't think of anything? I am not a labour voter. The only advantages from Brexit are for disaster capitalists Oh sorry. No they are not, there are also advantages if you are a socialist Do tell? Do tell? Thought it was obvious. Under a no deal you are free to provide state aid and nationalise industries, isn't that what socialism is about? And that's going to happen is it?" It was in response to the person who said that the only advantages would be for disaster capitalists. Anyway, haven't you said you'd like to see a government to the left of Corbyn? How does that tally with being a member of the EU? | |||
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"Unless you are a disaster capitalist, there are no advantages from a no deal brexit. Really? I thought you were a Labour voter and you can't think of anything? I am not a labour voter. The only advantages from Brexit are for disaster capitalists Oh sorry. No they are not, there are also advantages if you are a socialist Do tell? Do tell? Thought it was obvious. Under a no deal you are free to provide state aid and nationalise industries, isn't that what socialism is about? And that's going to happen is it? It was in response to the person who said that the only advantages would be for disaster capitalists. Anyway, haven't you said you'd like to see a government to the left of Corbyn? How does that tally with being a member of the EU? " If it's not going to happen..then..silly question I know..why is it a benefit? Corbyn isn't the pm..and it seems to bit surreal he is being dragged into every thread. | |||
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"Unless you are a disaster capitalist, there are no advantages from a no deal brexit. Really? I thought you were a Labour voter and you can't think of anything? I am not a labour voter. The only advantages from Brexit are for disaster capitalists Oh sorry. No they are not, there are also advantages if you are a socialist Do tell? Do tell? Thought it was obvious. Under a no deal you are free to provide state aid and nationalise industries, isn't that what socialism is about? And that's going to happen is it? It was in response to the person who said that the only advantages would be for disaster capitalists. Anyway, haven't you said you'd like to see a government to the left of Corbyn? How does that tally with being a member of the EU? If it's not going to happen..then..silly question I know..why is it a benefit? Corbyn isn't the pm..and it seems to bit surreal he is being dragged into every thread." I didn't say it was a benefit!!!!!!! | |||
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"Unless you are a disaster capitalist, there are no advantages from a no deal brexit. Really? I thought you were a Labour voter and you can't think of anything? I am not a labour voter. The only advantages from Brexit are for disaster capitalists Oh sorry. No they are not, there are also advantages if you are a socialist "  | |||
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"Unless you are a disaster capitalist, there are no advantages from a no deal brexit. Really? I thought you were a Labour voter and you can't think of anything? I am not a labour voter. The only advantages from Brexit are for disaster capitalists Oh sorry. No they are not, there are also advantages if you are a socialist "'IF' you are a socialist! What don't you get | |||
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"Unless you are a disaster capitalist, there are no advantages from a no deal brexit. Really? I thought you were a Labour voter and you can't think of anything? I am not a labour voter. The only advantages from Brexit are for disaster capitalists Oh sorry. No they are not, there are also advantages if you are a socialist
'IF' you are a socialist!
What don't you get "You said if you were a socialist there would be benefits to a no deal You then said these benefits wouldn't happen Making as much sense as usual | |||
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"Read through part 1 and now part two. The thing that struck me from most replies is this, many don't answer the question or are unable to clarify their own statements when asked. Unless I'm wrong most responses seemed based upon a static concept of economy and a FEAR of change. Overestimating the stability of today can hamper the decisions we make about tomorrow. Those who voted Brexit seem to be those who saw the cracks, saw issues that many others seemed blinded to. They also see the potential, the pissibilities and a brighter future by regaining our sovereignty back again. It's was very telling that a couple very interesting points were posted about new jobs, new manufacturing, new investment and these were largely ignored by anyone stating that brexit will kill our economy, cost us more, make us weaker etc etc, Doom and Gloomers. Man was created for change, that is were the life is in a person, the ability to grasp it, move forward even into some unknown. The alternative is worth really considering as the changes many saw happening inside the EU was leading to a crumbling. With the UK gone it's crumbling faster and others may follow. It's the primary reason the EU leaders have been making as difficult as possible to cause fear in any others considering it. We were given a choice. We decided, grasp it and be part of the solutions and not the old problems. " How is it crumbling faster? We were given a choice based on a load of lies. Can you clarify what you exactly mean when you say. Taking our sovereignty back? In real terms.. what does that actually mean and what sovereignty has been lost? | |||
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"Read through part 1 and now part two. The thing that struck me from most replies is this, many don't answer the question or are unable to clarify their own statements when asked. Unless I'm wrong most responses seemed based upon a static concept of economy and a FEAR of change. Overestimating the stability of today can hamper the decisions we make about tomorrow. Those who voted Brexit seem to be those who saw the cracks, saw issues that many others seemed blinded to. They also see the potential, the pissibilities and a brighter future by regaining our sovereignty back again. It's was very telling that a couple very interesting points were posted about new jobs, new manufacturing, new investment and these were largely ignored by anyone stating that brexit will kill our economy, cost us more, make us weaker etc etc, Doom and Gloomers. Man was created for change, that is were the life is in a person, the ability to grasp it, move forward even into some unknown. The alternative is worth really considering as the changes many saw happening inside the EU was leading to a crumbling. With the UK gone it's crumbling faster and others may follow. It's the primary reason the EU leaders have been making as difficult as possible to cause fear in any others considering it. We were given a choice. We decided, grasp it and be part of the solutions and not the old problems. " What's wrong with being unhappy with negative change? If things were likely to get better, we'd be looking forward to the change. But living in a poorer country, with less opportunities in life, isn't the kind of change I am excited about. | |||
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"Read through part 1 and now part two. The thing that struck me from most replies is this, many don't answer the question or are unable to clarify their own statements when asked. Unless I'm wrong most responses seemed based upon a static concept of economy and a FEAR of change. Overestimating the stability of today can hamper the decisions we make about tomorrow. Those who voted Brexit seem to be those who saw the cracks, saw issues that many others seemed blinded to. They also see the potential, the pissibilities and a brighter future by regaining our sovereignty back again. It's was very telling that a couple very interesting points were posted about new jobs, new manufacturing, new investment and these were largely ignored by anyone stating that brexit will kill our economy, cost us more, make us weaker etc etc, Doom and Gloomers. Man was created for change, that is were the life is in a person, the ability to grasp it, move forward even into some unknown. The alternative is worth really considering as the changes many saw happening inside the EU was leading to a crumbling. With the UK gone it's crumbling faster and others may follow. It's the primary reason the EU leaders have been making as difficult as possible to cause fear in any others considering it. We were given a choice. We decided, grasp it and be part of the solutions and not the old problems. How is it crumbling faster? We were given a choice based on a load of lies. Can you clarify what you exactly mean when you say. Taking our sovereignty back? In real terms.. what does that actually mean and what sovereignty has been lost?" It doesn't mean anything in real terms, of course. Brexit has always been about feelings, not real world costs or benefits. | |||
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"But we hablve our own powers and sovereignty back....except Im scottish so in reality havent really had that anyway in 200 years due to english run democracy (no offence). . Oo we have out powers back I personally now have the powers to be poorer and a tad more fucked off at border control heading to Spain on holiday, I hope. Ahhh our own fish...I love fish. I remember driving through Spain and stopping at this little taverna..they did a freshly caught fish from the local lake. Absolutly beautiful... Ooo Spain !!" Don't worry your leaders want another referendum to give you another option to leave and join the EU anyway as it didn't happen last time, so that'll be grand. | |||
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"Allow me to further enlighten OP as to to the benefits of leaving the EU 1) Not spending £114 million a year OF OUR TAX MONEY so that the EU Parliament can move each month between Brussels and Strasbourg 2) Not funding the European Parliament ORCHESTRA ???!!!!!! 3) Commission President José Manuel Barroso had spent €249,000 (£221,610) on private jets at the time of the 2009 UN Convention on climate change. In the same year the Commission spent €300,000 (£267,000) on cocktail parties. 4) In the first two months of 2016 the EU spent nearly half a million euros spiriting its Commissioners and their courtiers around the Eurasian landmass in luxury chartered jets otherwise known as “air taxis”. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker spent €29,268 (£24,000) on a private flight for himself and nine others to Rome for a two-day trip. And foreign affairs supremo Federica Mogherini spent nearly €82,927 (£68,000) chartering an aircraft to fly to Baku in Azerbaijan. Brussels’ oblivious elites still patronise the Esimit Europa II, the EU’s thirty-metre long, forty-four foot high luxury super yacht. As Marta Andreasen, the EU’s former Chief Accountant fired for whistleblowing over fraud and corruption wrote, EU governance is ‘lawless, corrupt, mistaken, undemocratic, bureaucratic, over-regulated and, ultimately, unworkable’. " Dont tell them that they believe they are doing it for the benefit of the people not themselves. | |||
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"Allow me to further enlighten OP as to to the benefits of leaving the EU 1) Not spending £114 million a year OF OUR TAX MONEY so that the EU Parliament can move each month between Brussels and Strasbourg 2) Not funding the European Parliament ORCHESTRA ???!!!!!! 3) Commission President José Manuel Barroso had spent €249,000 (£221,610) on private jets at the time of the 2009 UN Convention on climate change. In the same year the Commission spent €300,000 (£267,000) on cocktail parties. 4) In the first two months of 2016 the EU spent nearly half a million euros spiriting its Commissioners and their courtiers around the Eurasian landmass in luxury chartered jets otherwise known as “air taxis”. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker spent €29,268 (£24,000) on a private flight for himself and nine others to Rome for a two-day trip. And foreign affairs supremo Federica Mogherini spent nearly €82,927 (£68,000) chartering an aircraft to fly to Baku in Azerbaijan. Brussels’ oblivious elites still patronise the Esimit Europa II, the EU’s thirty-metre long, forty-four foot high luxury super yacht. As Marta Andreasen, the EU’s former Chief Accountant fired for whistleblowing over fraud and corruption wrote, EU governance is ‘lawless, corrupt, mistaken, undemocratic, bureaucratic, over-regulated and, ultimately, unworkable’. " I wouldn't have wasted your breath as they won't read it except to try and find fault and disagree with this or that At the end of the day it's happening because the majority chose that way. Then they reply but it was based on lies ... How do they know why I voted, they don't and never will, but it wasn't based upon lies, I like so many have been wanting to leave the EU way before the referendum was muted so not based on lies as the remainers keep saying, however I may just add that there were as many lies if not more said in arguments to remain, so it's a non argument that's being argued. The thing that is evident is the remainers keep raising displeasure about the vote. It won't change anything however. It's been made as I said before you can stay in the past or be part of making it better but don't try and make it worse with the negativity. | |||
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"Allow me to further enlighten OP as to to the benefits of leaving the EU 1) Not spending £114 million a year OF OUR TAX MONEY so that the EU Parliament can move each month between Brussels and Strasbourg 2) Not funding the European Parliament ORCHESTRA ???!!!!!! 3) Commission President José Manuel Barroso had spent €249,000 (£221,610) on private jets at the time of the 2009 UN Convention on climate change. In the same year the Commission spent €300,000 (£267,000) on cocktail parties. 4) In the first two months of 2016 the EU spent nearly half a million euros spiriting its Commissioners and their courtiers around the Eurasian landmass in luxury chartered jets otherwise known as “air taxis”. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker spent €29,268 (£24,000) on a private flight for himself and nine others to Rome for a two-day trip. And foreign affairs supremo Federica Mogherini spent nearly €82,927 (£68,000) chartering an aircraft to fly to Baku in Azerbaijan. Brussels’ oblivious elites still patronise the Esimit Europa II, the EU’s thirty-metre long, forty-four foot high luxury super yacht. As Marta Andreasen, the EU’s former Chief Accountant fired for whistleblowing over fraud and corruption wrote, EU governance is ‘lawless, corrupt, mistaken, undemocratic, bureaucratic, over-regulated and, ultimately, unworkable’. " None of which is a benefit for the UK. And has already been wiped off by the £200 billion cost to th economy this year alone. | |||
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"Allow me to further enlighten OP as to to the benefits of leaving the EU 1) Not spending £114 million a year OF OUR TAX MONEY so that the EU Parliament can move each month between Brussels and Strasbourg 2) Not funding the European Parliament ORCHESTRA ???!!!!!! 3) Commission President José Manuel Barroso had spent €249,000 (£221,610) on private jets at the time of the 2009 UN Convention on climate change. In the same year the Commission spent €300,000 (£267,000) on cocktail parties. 4) In the first two months of 2016 the EU spent nearly half a million euros spiriting its Commissioners and their courtiers around the Eurasian landmass in luxury chartered jets otherwise known as “air taxis”. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker spent €29,268 (£24,000) on a private flight for himself and nine others to Rome for a two-day trip. And foreign affairs supremo Federica Mogherini spent nearly €82,927 (£68,000) chartering an aircraft to fly to Baku in Azerbaijan. Brussels’ oblivious elites still patronise the Esimit Europa II, the EU’s thirty-metre long, forty-four foot high luxury super yacht. As Marta Andreasen, the EU’s former Chief Accountant fired for whistleblowing over fraud and corruption wrote, EU governance is ‘lawless, corrupt, mistaken, undemocratic, bureaucratic, over-regulated and, ultimately, unworkable’. I wouldn't have wasted your breath as they won't read it except to try and find fault and disagree with this or that At the end of the day it's happening because the majority chose that way. Then they reply but it was based on lies ... How do they know why I voted, they don't and never will, but it wasn't based upon lies, I like so many have been wanting to leave the EU way before the referendum was muted so not based on lies as the remainers keep saying, however I may just add that there were as many lies if not more said in arguments to remain, so it's a non argument that's being argued. The thing that is evident is the remainers keep raising displeasure about the vote. It won't change anything however. It's been made as I said before you can stay in the past or be part of making it better but don't try and make it worse with the negativity. " Accusing people who don't bury their heads in the sand of being "negative" doesn't magic brexit into a good idea. | |||
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"Allow me to further enlighten OP as to to the benefits of leaving the EU 1) Not spending £114 million a year OF OUR TAX MONEY so that the EU Parliament can move each month between Brussels and Strasbourg 2) Not funding the European Parliament ORCHESTRA ???!!!!!! 3) Commission President José Manuel Barroso had spent €249,000 (£221,610) on private jets at the time of the 2009 UN Convention on climate change. In the same year the Commission spent €300,000 (£267,000) on cocktail parties. 4) In the first two months of 2016 the EU spent nearly half a million euros spiriting its Commissioners and their courtiers around the Eurasian landmass in luxury chartered jets otherwise known as “air taxis”. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker spent €29,268 (£24,000) on a private flight for himself and nine others to Rome for a two-day trip. And foreign affairs supremo Federica Mogherini spent nearly €82,927 (£68,000) chartering an aircraft to fly to Baku in Azerbaijan. Brussels’ oblivious elites still patronise the Esimit Europa II, the EU’s thirty-metre long, forty-four foot high luxury super yacht. As Marta Andreasen, the EU’s former Chief Accountant fired for whistleblowing over fraud and corruption wrote, EU governance is ‘lawless, corrupt, mistaken, undemocratic, bureaucratic, over-regulated and, ultimately, unworkable’. I wouldn't have wasted your breath as they won't read it except to try and find fault and disagree with this or that At the end of the day it's happening because the majority chose that way. Then they reply but it was based on lies ... How do they know why I voted, they don't and never will, but it wasn't based upon lies, I like so many have been wanting to leave the EU way before the referendum was muted so not based on lies as the remainers keep saying, however I may just add that there were as many lies if not more said in arguments to remain, so it's a non argument that's being argued. The thing that is evident is the remainers keep raising displeasure about the vote. It won't change anything however. It's been made as I said before you can stay in the past or be part of making it better but don't try and make it worse with the negativity. Accusing people who don't bury their heads in the sand of being "negative" doesn't magic brexit into a good idea." I'd say you are holding on to what was the past. It's changed, it's happening so move on mate. If you can't see that then it's really stuck in. | |||
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"Allow me to further enlighten OP as to to the benefits of leaving the EU 1) Not spending £114 million a year OF OUR TAX MONEY so that the EU Parliament can move each month between Brussels and Strasbourg 2) Not funding the European Parliament ORCHESTRA ???!!!!!! 3) Commission President José Manuel Barroso had spent €249,000 (£221,610) on private jets at the time of the 2009 UN Convention on climate change. In the same year the Commission spent €300,000 (£267,000) on cocktail parties. 4) In the first two months of 2016 the EU spent nearly half a million euros spiriting its Commissioners and their courtiers around the Eurasian landmass in luxury chartered jets otherwise known as “air taxis”. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker spent €29,268 (£24,000) on a private flight for himself and nine others to Rome for a two-day trip. And foreign affairs supremo Federica Mogherini spent nearly €82,927 (£68,000) chartering an aircraft to fly to Baku in Azerbaijan. Brussels’ oblivious elites still patronise the Esimit Europa II, the EU’s thirty-metre long, forty-four foot high luxury super yacht. As Marta Andreasen, the EU’s former Chief Accountant fired for whistleblowing over fraud and corruption wrote, EU governance is ‘lawless, corrupt, mistaken, undemocratic, bureaucratic, over-regulated and, ultimately, unworkable’. " 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. | |||
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"Allow me to further enlighten OP as to to the benefits of leaving the EU 1) Not spending £114 million a year OF OUR TAX MONEY so that the EU Parliament can move each month between Brussels and Strasbourg 2) Not funding the European Parliament ORCHESTRA ???!!!!!! 3) Commission President José Manuel Barroso had spent €249,000 (£221,610) on private jets at the time of the 2009 UN Convention on climate change. In the same year the Commission spent €300,000 (£267,000) on cocktail parties. 4) In the first two months of 2016 the EU spent nearly half a million euros spiriting its Commissioners and their courtiers around the Eurasian landmass in luxury chartered jets otherwise known as “air taxis”. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker spent €29,268 (£24,000) on a private flight for himself and nine others to Rome for a two-day trip. And foreign affairs supremo Federica Mogherini spent nearly €82,927 (£68,000) chartering an aircraft to fly to Baku in Azerbaijan. Brussels’ oblivious elites still patronise the Esimit Europa II, the EU’s thirty-metre long, forty-four foot high luxury super yacht. As Marta Andreasen, the EU’s former Chief Accountant fired for whistleblowing over fraud and corruption wrote, EU governance is ‘lawless, corrupt, mistaken, undemocratic, bureaucratic, over-regulated and, ultimately, unworkable’. I wouldn't have wasted your breath as they won't read it except to try and find fault and disagree with this or that At the end of the day it's happening because the majority chose that way. Then they reply but it was based on lies ... How do they know why I voted, they don't and never will, but it wasn't based upon lies, I like so many have been wanting to leave the EU way before the referendum was muted so not based on lies as the remainers keep saying, however I may just add that there were as many lies if not more said in arguments to remain, so it's a non argument that's being argued. The thing that is evident is the remainers keep raising displeasure about the vote. It won't change anything however. It's been made as I said before you can stay in the past or be part of making it better but don't try and make it worse with the negativity. " You dont answer direct questions and complain about people disagreeing with you. | |||
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"Allow me to further enlighten OP as to to the benefits of leaving the EU 1) Not spending £114 million a year OF OUR TAX MONEY so that the EU Parliament can move each month between Brussels and Strasbourg 2) Not funding the European Parliament ORCHESTRA ???!!!!!! 3) Commission President José Manuel Barroso had spent €249,000 (£221,610) on private jets at the time of the 2009 UN Convention on climate change. In the same year the Commission spent €300,000 (£267,000) on cocktail parties. 4) In the first two months of 2016 the EU spent nearly half a million euros spiriting its Commissioners and their courtiers around the Eurasian landmass in luxury chartered jets otherwise known as “air taxis”. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker spent €29,268 (£24,000) on a private flight for himself and nine others to Rome for a two-day trip. And foreign affairs supremo Federica Mogherini spent nearly €82,927 (£68,000) chartering an aircraft to fly to Baku in Azerbaijan. Brussels’ oblivious elites still patronise the Esimit Europa II, the EU’s thirty-metre long, forty-four foot high luxury super yacht. As Marta Andreasen, the EU’s former Chief Accountant fired for whistleblowing over fraud and corruption wrote, EU governance is ‘lawless, corrupt, mistaken, undemocratic, bureaucratic, over-regulated and, ultimately, unworkable’. I wouldn't have wasted your breath as they won't read it except to try and find fault and disagree with this or that At the end of the day it's happening because the majority chose that way. Then they reply but it was based on lies ... How do they know why I voted, they don't and never will, but it wasn't based upon lies, I like so many have been wanting to leave the EU way before the referendum was muted so not based on lies as the remainers keep saying, however I may just add that there were as many lies if not more said in arguments to remain, so it's a non argument that's being argued. The thing that is evident is the remainers keep raising displeasure about the vote. It won't change anything however. It's been made as I said before you can stay in the past or be part of making it better but don't try and make it worse with the negativity. Accusing people who don't bury their heads in the sand of being "negative" doesn't magic brexit into a good idea. I'd say you are holding on to what was the past. It's changed, it's happening so move on mate. If you can't see that then it's really stuck in. "Obviously it's way way past the point of no return. No one is suggesting that we can undo brexit. Are we now at a point where no one should express dissent? We should just accept all the shit silently? Just on brexit, or on everything else too? | |||
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"Allow me to further enlighten OP as to to the benefits of leaving the EU 1) Not spending £114 million a year OF OUR TAX MONEY so that the EU Parliament can move each month between Brussels and Strasbourg 2) Not funding the European Parliament ORCHESTRA ???!!!!!! 3) Commission President José Manuel Barroso had spent €249,000 (£221,610) on private jets at the time of the 2009 UN Convention on climate change. In the same year the Commission spent €300,000 (£267,000) on cocktail parties. 4) In the first two months of 2016 the EU spent nearly half a million euros spiriting its Commissioners and their courtiers around the Eurasian landmass in luxury chartered jets otherwise known as “air taxis”. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker spent €29,268 (£24,000) on a private flight for himself and nine others to Rome for a two-day trip. And foreign affairs supremo Federica Mogherini spent nearly €82,927 (£68,000) chartering an aircraft to fly to Baku in Azerbaijan. Brussels’ oblivious elites still patronise the Esimit Europa II, the EU’s thirty-metre long, forty-four foot high luxury super yacht. As Marta Andreasen, the EU’s former Chief Accountant fired for whistleblowing over fraud and corruption wrote, EU governance is ‘lawless, corrupt, mistaken, undemocratic, bureaucratic, over-regulated and, ultimately, unworkable’. " How much has been siphoned off in the ppe scandal? How many millions has Christopher grayling wasted alone? Its estimated £4.4 billion has been spent on brexit alone so far. Yes the eu waste money..as do all big organisations..but you seriously think all that money will be pumped back into this country? | |||
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"Allow me to further enlighten OP as to to the benefits of leaving the EU 1) Not spending £114 million a year OF OUR TAX MONEY so that the EU Parliament can move each month between Brussels and Strasbourg 2) Not funding the European Parliament ORCHESTRA ???!!!!!! 3) Commission President José Manuel Barroso had spent €249,000 (£221,610) on private jets at the time of the 2009 UN Convention on climate change. In the same year the Commission spent €300,000 (£267,000) on cocktail parties. 4) In the first two months of 2016 the EU spent nearly half a million euros spiriting its Commissioners and their courtiers around the Eurasian landmass in luxury chartered jets otherwise known as “air taxis”. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker spent €29,268 (£24,000) on a private flight for himself and nine others to Rome for a two-day trip. And foreign affairs supremo Federica Mogherini spent nearly €82,927 (£68,000) chartering an aircraft to fly to Baku in Azerbaijan. Brussels’ oblivious elites still patronise the Esimit Europa II, the EU’s thirty-metre long, forty-four foot high luxury super yacht. As Marta Andreasen, the EU’s former Chief Accountant fired for whistleblowing over fraud and corruption wrote, EU governance is ‘lawless, corrupt, mistaken, undemocratic, bureaucratic, over-regulated and, ultimately, unworkable’. I wouldn't have wasted your breath as they won't read it except to try and find fault and disagree with this or that At the end of the day it's happening because the majority chose that way. Then they reply but it was based on lies ... How do they know why I voted, they don't and never will, but it wasn't based upon lies, I like so many have been wanting to leave the EU way before the referendum was muted so not based on lies as the remainers keep saying, however I may just add that there were as many lies if not more said in arguments to remain, so it's a non argument that's being argued. The thing that is evident is the remainers keep raising displeasure about the vote. It won't change anything however. It's been made as I said before you can stay in the past or be part of making it better but don't try and make it worse with the negativity. You dont answer direct questions and complain about people disagreeing with you." Sorry why must I ask a direct question? Who says you're entitled to one? It's an opinion, it can be based on facts sometimes it isn't, it's an opinion as is yours. However in the case which you've just referred to I hadn't had any question asked of me either which gives irrelevance to you comment. Your comment is just another nonsense statement which doesn't add anything constructive. Most people are looking to answers and that's often why people counter argue, it's not that they really know the answers bit are looking for validation or sounding out what theirs sounds like. Few listen to learn, most don't want to learn, to shift or change their views even if wrong. To argue with some like that does help either side of the debate. | |||
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"Allow me to further enlighten OP as to to the benefits of leaving the EU 1) Not spending £114 million a year OF OUR TAX MONEY so that the EU Parliament can move each month between Brussels and Strasbourg 2) Not funding the European Parliament ORCHESTRA ???!!!!!! 3) Commission President José Manuel Barroso had spent €249,000 (£221,610) on private jets at the time of the 2009 UN Convention on climate change. In the same year the Commission spent €300,000 (£267,000) on cocktail parties. 4) In the first two months of 2016 the EU spent nearly half a million euros spiriting its Commissioners and their courtiers around the Eurasian landmass in luxury chartered jets otherwise known as “air taxis”. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker spent €29,268 (£24,000) on a private flight for himself and nine others to Rome for a two-day trip. And foreign affairs supremo Federica Mogherini spent nearly €82,927 (£68,000) chartering an aircraft to fly to Baku in Azerbaijan. Brussels’ oblivious elites still patronise the Esimit Europa II, the EU’s thirty-metre long, forty-four foot high luxury super yacht. As Marta Andreasen, the EU’s former Chief Accountant fired for whistleblowing over fraud and corruption wrote, EU governance is ‘lawless, corrupt, mistaken, undemocratic, bureaucratic, over-regulated and, ultimately, unworkable’. 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. " That's the way of the world. Brilliant. The people who voted for Brexit said that's not the way of the world that they want. Whether it changes anything, apart from the fact that we are now paying for fewer to ride the gravy train, is not really the point. At least you know your place though and are happy with it eh | |||
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"We should maybe do a comparison of who lied the most..remain or stay?" Why is this to try and make you feel better? What difference does it make, there were lies on both sides and unless one side did not lie at all then there's no point. | |||
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"Read through part 1 and now part two. The thing that struck me from most replies is this, many don't answer the question or are unable to clarify their own statements when asked. Unless I'm wrong most responses seemed based upon a static concept of economy and a FEAR of change. Overestimating the stability of today can hamper the decisions we make about tomorrow. Those who voted Brexit seem to be those who saw the cracks, saw issues that many others seemed blinded to. They also see the potential, the pissibilities and a brighter future by regaining our sovereignty back again. It's was very telling that a couple very interesting points were posted about new jobs, new manufacturing, new investment and these were largely ignored by anyone stating that brexit will kill our economy, cost us more, make us weaker etc etc, Doom and Gloomers. Man was created for change, that is were the life is in a person, the ability to grasp it, move forward even into some unknown. The alternative is worth really considering as the changes many saw happening inside the EU was leading to a crumbling. With the UK gone it's crumbling faster and others may follow. It's the primary reason the EU leaders have been making as difficult as possible to cause fear in any others considering it. We were given a choice. We decided, grasp it and be part of the solutions and not the old problems. How is it crumbling faster? We were given a choice based on a load of lies. Can you clarify what you exactly mean when you say. Taking our sovereignty back? In real terms.. what does that actually mean and what sovereignty has been lost?" Obviously you missed this. So you should be able to post 'facts 'like remain told more lies than leave ' And expect not to be challenged? You realise how a forum works presumably? | |||
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"We should maybe do a comparison of who lied the most..remain or stay? Why is this to try and make you feel better? What difference does it make, there were lies on both sides and unless one side did not lie at all then there's no point." No because you post something factually incorrect and expect not to be challenged. | |||
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"Read through part 1 and now part two. The thing that struck me from most replies is this, many don't answer the question or are unable to clarify their own statements when asked. Unless I'm wrong most responses seemed based upon a static concept of economy and a FEAR of change. Overestimating the stability of today can hamper the decisions we make about tomorrow. Those who voted Brexit seem to be those who saw the cracks, saw issues that many others seemed blinded to. They also see the potential, the pissibilities and a brighter future by regaining our sovereignty back again. It's was very telling that a couple very interesting points were posted about new jobs, new manufacturing, new investment and these were largely ignored by anyone stating that brexit will kill our economy, cost us more, make us weaker etc etc, Doom and Gloomers. Man was created for change, that is were the life is in a person, the ability to grasp it, move forward even into some unknown. The alternative is worth really considering as the changes many saw happening inside the EU was leading to a crumbling. With the UK gone it's crumbling faster and others may follow. It's the primary reason the EU leaders have been making as difficult as possible to cause fear in any others considering it. We were given a choice. We decided, grasp it and be part of the solutions and not the old problems. How is it crumbling faster? We were given a choice based on a load of lies. Can you clarify what you exactly mean when you say. Taking our sovereignty back? In real terms.. what does that actually mean and what sovereignty has been lost? Obviously you missed this. So you should be able to post 'facts 'like remain told more lies than leave ' And expect not to be challenged? You realise how a forum works presumably?" Ive said befor lionel you live in the past are you seriously still wanting to talk about who told the most lies? move on man that was 4 years ago . | |||
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"Allow me to further enlighten OP as to to the benefits of leaving the EU 1) Not spending £114 million a year OF OUR TAX MONEY so that the EU Parliament can move each month between Brussels and Strasbourg 2) Not funding the European Parliament ORCHESTRA ???!!!!!! 3) Commission President José Manuel Barroso had spent €249,000 (£221,610) on private jets at the time of the 2009 UN Convention on climate change. In the same year the Commission spent €300,000 (£267,000) on cocktail parties. 4) In the first two months of 2016 the EU spent nearly half a million euros spiriting its Commissioners and their courtiers around the Eurasian landmass in luxury chartered jets otherwise known as “air taxis”. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker spent €29,268 (£24,000) on a private flight for himself and nine others to Rome for a two-day trip. And foreign affairs supremo Federica Mogherini spent nearly €82,927 (£68,000) chartering an aircraft to fly to Baku in Azerbaijan. Brussels’ oblivious elites still patronise the Esimit Europa II, the EU’s thirty-metre long, forty-four foot high luxury super yacht. As Marta Andreasen, the EU’s former Chief Accountant fired for whistleblowing over fraud and corruption wrote, EU governance is ‘lawless, corrupt, mistaken, undemocratic, bureaucratic, over-regulated and, ultimately, unworkable’. How much has been siphoned off in the ppe scandal? How many millions has Christopher grayling wasted alone? Its estimated £4.4 billion has been spent on brexit alone so far. Yes the eu waste money..as do all big organisations..but you seriously think all that money will be pumped back into this country?" Well at the next election I'm sure you will try to vote the Tories out won't you? Well we just voted the EU out so we're not much different after all are we | |||
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"Read through part 1 and now part two. The thing that struck me from most replies is this, many don't answer the question or are unable to clarify their own statements when asked. Unless I'm wrong most responses seemed based upon a static concept of economy and a FEAR of change. Overestimating the stability of today can hamper the decisions we make about tomorrow. Those who voted Brexit seem to be those who saw the cracks, saw issues that many others seemed blinded to. They also see the potential, the pissibilities and a brighter future by regaining our sovereignty back again. It's was very telling that a couple very interesting points were posted about new jobs, new manufacturing, new investment and these were largely ignored by anyone stating that brexit will kill our economy, cost us more, make us weaker etc etc, Doom and Gloomers. Man was created for change, that is were the life is in a person, the ability to grasp it, move forward even into some unknown. The alternative is worth really considering as the changes many saw happening inside the EU was leading to a crumbling. With the UK gone it's crumbling faster and others may follow. It's the primary reason the EU leaders have been making as difficult as possible to cause fear in any others considering it. We were given a choice. We decided, grasp it and be part of the solutions and not the old problems. How is it crumbling faster? We were given a choice based on a load of lies. Can you clarify what you exactly mean when you say. Taking our sovereignty back? In real terms.. what does that actually mean and what sovereignty has been lost? Obviously you missed this. So you should be able to post 'facts 'like remain told more lies than leave ' And expect not to be challenged? You realise how a forum works presumably?Ive said befor lionel you live in the past are you seriously still wanting to talk about who told the most lies? move on man that was 4 years ago ."
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"Allow me to further enlighten OP as to to the benefits of leaving the EU 1) Not spending £114 million a year OF OUR TAX MONEY so that the EU Parliament can move each month between Brussels and Strasbourg 2) Not funding the European Parliament ORCHESTRA ???!!!!!! 3) Commission President José Manuel Barroso had spent €249,000 (£221,610) on private jets at the time of the 2009 UN Convention on climate change. In the same year the Commission spent €300,000 (£267,000) on cocktail parties. 4) In the first two months of 2016 the EU spent nearly half a million euros spiriting its Commissioners and their courtiers around the Eurasian landmass in luxury chartered jets otherwise known as “air taxis”. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker spent €29,268 (£24,000) on a private flight for himself and nine others to Rome for a two-day trip. And foreign affairs supremo Federica Mogherini spent nearly €82,927 (£68,000) chartering an aircraft to fly to Baku in Azerbaijan. Brussels’ oblivious elites still patronise the Esimit Europa II, the EU’s thirty-metre long, forty-four foot high luxury super yacht. As Marta Andreasen, the EU’s former Chief Accountant fired for whistleblowing over fraud and corruption wrote, EU governance is ‘lawless, corrupt, mistaken, undemocratic, bureaucratic, over-regulated and, ultimately, unworkable’. How much has been siphoned off in the ppe scandal? How many millions has Christopher grayling wasted alone? Its estimated £4.4 billion has been spent on brexit alone so far. Yes the eu waste money..as do all big organisations..but you seriously think all that money will be pumped back into this country? Well at the next election I'm sure you will try to vote the Tories out won't you? Well we just voted the EU out so we're not much different after all are we " Any post which makes complete sense. | |||
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"What will your arguments change? If nothing other than make you feel better is it really of any value and worth all the time, energy and stress it cause you?" So lets gets this straight. You post your opinions and no one else can have one. To be honest I'm quite enjoying watching all the leavers see their dreams crumble into dust. Its highly amusing | |||
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"We should maybe do a comparison of who lied the most..remain or stay? Why is this to try and make you feel better? What difference does it make, there were lies on both sides and unless one side did not lie at all then there's no point. No because you post something factually incorrect and expect not to be challenged. " This is why you're rarely taken seriously on the forums whether it's, covid, you politics or brexit. You never actually state what is factually incorrect, state it and give me your facts as evidence. | |||
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"What will your arguments change? If nothing other than make you feel better is it really of any value and worth all the time, energy and stress it cause you?" This is really interesting. Now ordinary people are trying to shame other ordinary people into silence and compliance. It won't work. People will always speak up. | |||
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"What will your arguments change? If nothing other than make you feel better is it really of any value and worth all the time, energy and stress it cause you? So lets gets this straight. You post your opinions and no one else can have one. To be honest I'm quite enjoying watching all the leavers see their dreams crumble into dust. Its highly amusing " how are they crumbling? my dream was fulfilled last dec 31st. | |||
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"We should maybe do a comparison of who lied the most..remain or stay? Why is this to try and make you feel better? What difference does it make, there were lies on both sides and unless one side did not lie at all then there's no point. No because you post something factually incorrect and expect not to be challenged. This is why you're rarely taken seriously on the forums whether it's, covid, you politics or brexit. You never actually state what is factually incorrect, state it and give me your facts as evidence." If I'm not taken seriously by the likes of you I'm doing something right. | |||
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"What will your arguments change? If nothing other than make you feel better is it really of any value and worth all the time, energy and stress it cause you? So lets gets this straight. You post your opinions and no one else can have one. To be honest I'm quite enjoying watching all the leavers see their dreams crumble into dust. Its highly amusing " You're a prophet too now... lmao.
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"We should maybe do a comparison of who lied the most..remain or stay? Why is this to try and make you feel better? What difference does it make, there were lies on both sides and unless one side did not lie at all then there's no point. No because you post something factually incorrect and expect not to be challenged. This is why you're rarely taken seriously on the forums whether it's, covid, you politics or brexit. You never actually state what is factually incorrect, state it and give me your facts as evidence. If I'm not taken seriously by the likes of you I'm doing something right." I rest my case for all to see. | |||
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" 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. " No, I gave plenty of other benefits of leaving in the first thread. One of the problems a lot of remoaners have is that all their information comes from James O’Brien, who has this fantasy that Brussels is a saintly magical entity that exists for the good of mankind. He NEVER makes any criticism of the EU which destroys his credibility when the corruption and waste is so self evident. | |||
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" 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. No, I gave plenty of other benefits of leaving in the first thread. One of the problems a lot of remoaners have is that all their information comes from James O’Brien, who has this fantasy that Brussels is a saintly magical entity that exists for the good of mankind. He NEVER makes any criticism of the EU which destroys his credibility when the corruption and waste is so self evident." Corruption and waste are evident here as we have recently seen. No one pretends the eu is perfect..far from it. However rather than staying in it and trying to bring about change we have decided to jump off a cliff and put our future in the hands of the likes of boris Johnson,Michael gove and Jacob reece mogg. | |||
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" 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. No, I gave plenty of other benefits of leaving in the first thread. One of the problems a lot of remoaners have is that all their information comes from James O’Brien, who has this fantasy that Brussels is a saintly magical entity that exists for the good of mankind. He NEVER makes any criticism of the EU which destroys his credibility when the corruption and waste is so self evident." As soon as someone says "remoaner" you know immediately that they have no point to make and can disregard everything they say. It's quite useful. | |||
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" 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. No, I gave plenty of other benefits of leaving in the first thread. One of the problems a lot of remoaners have is that all their information comes from James O’Brien, who has this fantasy that Brussels is a saintly magical entity that exists for the good of mankind. He NEVER makes any criticism of the EU which destroys his credibility when the corruption and waste is so self evident. Corruption and waste are evident here as we have recently seen. No one pretends the eu is perfect..far from it. However rather than staying in it and trying to bring about change we have decided to jump off a cliff and put our future in the hands of the likes of boris Johnson,Michael gove and Jacob reece mogg." The eu has got that sown up mate the corruption has been going on that long no one can change it.How many times does the eu parliament ever vote down anything their masters the commissions say?Every one of them have their snouts in the trough.Exactly how do you think a handful of uk mep,s are going to change that would they want to and if so why didnt they when they had the chance? | |||
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" 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. No, I gave plenty of other benefits of leaving in the first thread. One of the problems a lot of remoaners have is that all their information comes from James O’Brien, who has this fantasy that Brussels is a saintly magical entity that exists for the good of mankind. He NEVER makes any criticism of the EU which destroys his credibility when the corruption and waste is so self evident. Corruption and waste are evident here as we have recently seen. No one pretends the eu is perfect..far from it. However rather than staying in it and trying to bring about change we have decided to jump off a cliff and put our future in the hands of the likes of boris Johnson,Michael gove and Jacob reece mogg.The eu has got that sown up mate the corruption has been going on that long no one can change it.How many times does the eu parliament ever vote down anything their masters the commissions say?Every one of them have their snouts in the trough.Exactly how do you think a handful of uk mep,s are going to change that would they want to and if so why didnt they when they had the chance? " How does ruining the UK economy help fight this EU corruption? | |||
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" 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. No, I gave plenty of other benefits of leaving in the first thread. One of the problems a lot of remoaners have is that all their information comes from James O’Brien, who has this fantasy that Brussels is a saintly magical entity that exists for the good of mankind. He NEVER makes any criticism of the EU which destroys his credibility when the corruption and waste is so self evident. Corruption and waste are evident here as we have recently seen. No one pretends the eu is perfect..far from it. However rather than staying in it and trying to bring about change we have decided to jump off a cliff and put our future in the hands of the likes of boris Johnson,Michael gove and Jacob reece mogg." And how well has that reform been going for the previous 45 years? Accounts not signed off for 17 years in a row etc. etc. The EU a busted flush. Not one iota of reform possible. | |||
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"Allow me to further enlighten OP as to to the benefits of leaving the EU 1) Not spending £114 million a year OF OUR TAX MONEY so that the EU Parliament can move each month between Brussels and Strasbourg 2) Not funding the European Parliament ORCHESTRA ???!!!!!! 3) Commission President José Manuel Barroso had spent €249,000 (£221,610) on private jets at the time of the 2009 UN Convention on climate change. In the same year the Commission spent €300,000 (£267,000) on cocktail parties. 4) In the first two months of 2016 the EU spent nearly half a million euros spiriting its Commissioners and their courtiers around the Eurasian landmass in luxury chartered jets otherwise known as “air taxis”. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker spent €29,268 (£24,000) on a private flight for himself and nine others to Rome for a two-day trip. And foreign affairs supremo Federica Mogherini spent nearly €82,927 (£68,000) chartering an aircraft to fly to Baku in Azerbaijan. Brussels’ oblivious elites still patronise the Esimit Europa II, the EU’s thirty-metre long, forty-four foot high luxury super yacht. As Marta Andreasen, the EU’s former Chief Accountant fired for whistleblowing over fraud and corruption wrote, EU governance is ‘lawless, corrupt, mistaken, undemocratic, bureaucratic, over-regulated and, ultimately, unworkable’. " You do know that Chris Greyling has managed to waste £3bn on his own. Is it a case of I don’t really care about waste and abuse of power if it is British? How about a clarion call against the chumocracy and graft in the Tory Party? | |||
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" 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. No, I gave plenty of other benefits of leaving in the first thread. One of the problems a lot of remoaners have is that all their information comes from James O’Brien, who has this fantasy that Brussels is a saintly magical entity that exists for the good of mankind. He NEVER makes any criticism of the EU which destroys his credibility when the corruption and waste is so self evident. Corruption and waste are evident here as we have recently seen. No one pretends the eu is perfect..far from it. However rather than staying in it and trying to bring about change we have decided to jump off a cliff and put our future in the hands of the likes of boris Johnson,Michael gove and Jacob reece mogg. And how well has that reform been going for the previous 45 years? Accounts not signed off for 17 years in a row etc. etc. The EU a busted flush. Not one iota of reform possible. " And what about the corruption here? Let's see..industrial scale cover ups involving the police and media,mps expenses, phone hacking scandal which those at the top blantatly got away with,the ppe scandal involving millions, the corrupt as fuck honours system,lords getting paid £300 a day,millionaires getting even richer of a pandemic, the media trying to be silenced,unelected officials (the irony)having a huge amount of say,chrostopher grayling,hushing up the russann scandal..need i go on? And we have the gall to say the eu is corrupt Do we get a choice if we can fuck all of that off? | |||
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" 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. No, I gave plenty of other benefits of leaving in the first thread. One of the problems a lot of remoaners have is that all their information comes from James O’Brien, who has this fantasy that Brussels is a saintly magical entity that exists for the good of mankind. He NEVER makes any criticism of the EU which destroys his credibility when the corruption and waste is so self evident. Corruption and waste are evident here as we have recently seen. No one pretends the eu is perfect..far from it. However rather than staying in it and trying to bring about change we have decided to jump off a cliff and put our future in the hands of the likes of boris Johnson,Michael gove and Jacob reece mogg.The eu has got that sown up mate the corruption has been going on that long no one can change it.How many times does the eu parliament ever vote down anything their masters the commissions say?Every one of them have their snouts in the trough.Exactly how do you think a handful of uk mep,s are going to change that would they want to and if so why didnt they when they had the chance? " Funny I still recall that odious cunt Farage picking up his pay check | |||
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" 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. No, I gave plenty of other benefits of leaving in the first thread. One of the problems a lot of remoaners have is that all their information comes from James O’Brien, who has this fantasy that Brussels is a saintly magical entity that exists for the good of mankind. He NEVER makes any criticism of the EU which destroys his credibility when the corruption and waste is so self evident. Corruption and waste are evident here as we have recently seen. No one pretends the eu is perfect..far from it. However rather than staying in it and trying to bring about change we have decided to jump off a cliff and put our future in the hands of the likes of boris Johnson,Michael gove and Jacob reece mogg.The eu has got that sown up mate the corruption has been going on that long no one can change it.How many times does the eu parliament ever vote down anything their masters the commissions say?Every one of them have their snouts in the trough.Exactly how do you think a handful of uk mep,s are going to change that would they want to and if so why didnt they when they had the chance? How does ruining the UK economy help fight this EU corruption?" Im sure with boris in charge we have nothing to worry about. | |||
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" 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. No, I gave plenty of other benefits of leaving in the first thread. One of the problems a lot of remoaners have is that all their information comes from James O’Brien, who has this fantasy that Brussels is a saintly magical entity that exists for the good of mankind. He NEVER makes any criticism of the EU which destroys his credibility when the corruption and waste is so self evident. Corruption and waste are evident here as we have recently seen. No one pretends the eu is perfect..far from it. However rather than staying in it and trying to bring about change we have decided to jump off a cliff and put our future in the hands of the likes of boris Johnson,Michael gove and Jacob reece mogg.The eu has got that sown up mate the corruption has been going on that long no one can change it.How many times does the eu parliament ever vote down anything their masters the commissions say?Every one of them have their snouts in the trough.Exactly how do you think a handful of uk mep,s are going to change that would they want to and if so why didnt they when they had the chance? How does ruining the UK economy help fight this EU corruption?" Ruining is your opinion,i dont give a toss about eu corruption now its not my taxes they are lording it up with or over me.
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" 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. No, I gave plenty of other benefits of leaving in the first thread. One of the problems a lot of remoaners have is that all their information comes from James O’Brien, who has this fantasy that Brussels is a saintly magical entity that exists for the good of mankind. He NEVER makes any criticism of the EU which destroys his credibility when the corruption and waste is so self evident. Corruption and waste are evident here as we have recently seen. No one pretends the eu is perfect..far from it. However rather than staying in it and trying to bring about change we have decided to jump off a cliff and put our future in the hands of the likes of boris Johnson,Michael gove and Jacob reece mogg.The eu has got that sown up mate the corruption has been going on that long no one can change it.How many times does the eu parliament ever vote down anything their masters the commissions say?Every one of them have their snouts in the trough.Exactly how do you think a handful of uk mep,s are going to change that would they want to and if so why didnt they when they had the chance? How does ruining the UK economy help fight this EU corruption?Ruining is your opinion,i dont give a toss about eu corruption now its not my taxes they are lording it up with or over me.
They are in it for themselves they have already said the integrity of the eu is paramount, never mind the countries inside who are going to bear the brunt of no deal they will just lend them more money to compensate lost trade to the uk get them further in debt and keep them more beholdant to them."If it's as bad as you say..why haven't other countries left and why are countries keen to join? | |||
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" 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. No, I gave plenty of other benefits of leaving in the first thread. One of the problems a lot of remoaners have is that all their information comes from James O’Brien, who has this fantasy that Brussels is a saintly magical entity that exists for the good of mankind. He NEVER makes any criticism of the EU which destroys his credibility when the corruption and waste is so self evident. Corruption and waste are evident here as we have recently seen. No one pretends the eu is perfect..far from it. However rather than staying in it and trying to bring about change we have decided to jump off a cliff and put our future in the hands of the likes of boris Johnson,Michael gove and Jacob reece mogg. And how well has that reform been going for the previous 45 years? Accounts not signed off for 17 years in a row etc. etc. The EU a busted flush. Not one iota of reform possible. And what about the corruption here? Let's see..industrial scale cover ups involving the police and media,mps expenses, phone hacking scandal which those at the top blantatly got away with,the ppe scandal involving millions, the corrupt as fuck honours system,lords getting paid £300 a day,millionaires getting even richer of a pandemic, the media trying to be silenced,unelected officials (the irony)having a huge amount of say,chrostopher grayling,hushing up the russann scandal..need i go on? And we have the gall to say the eu is corrupt Do we get a choice if we can fuck all of that off?" Lords i agree with you but was you asleep through the mps expenses inquiry where people lost their jos? Phone hacking im sure people went to prison for where was you then?People will always make money if theres an opportunity are you now blaming the gov for covid? I dont know about a ppe scandal have any charges been made against anyone? and no idea what the russian scandal is enlighten me. | |||
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" 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. No, I gave plenty of other benefits of leaving in the first thread. One of the problems a lot of remoaners have is that all their information comes from James O’Brien, who has this fantasy that Brussels is a saintly magical entity that exists for the good of mankind. He NEVER makes any criticism of the EU which destroys his credibility when the corruption and waste is so self evident. As soon as someone says "remoaner" you know immediately that they have no point to make and can disregard everything they say. It's quite useful. " If they don't have a point to say what does responding to them then say? If the remainers had anything to say that will improve what they think the situation is going to be like instead of bemoaning they didn't win the vote then that label wouldn't stick. You you no longer change the vote which seems to be what most argument seem to be trying to do, but you can be part of the change. | |||
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" 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. No, I gave plenty of other benefits of leaving in the first thread. One of the problems a lot of remoaners have is that all their information comes from James O’Brien, who has this fantasy that Brussels is a saintly magical entity that exists for the good of mankind. He NEVER makes any criticism of the EU which destroys his credibility when the corruption and waste is so self evident. Corruption and waste are evident here as we have recently seen. No one pretends the eu is perfect..far from it. However rather than staying in it and trying to bring about change we have decided to jump off a cliff and put our future in the hands of the likes of boris Johnson,Michael gove and Jacob reece mogg. And how well has that reform been going for the previous 45 years? Accounts not signed off for 17 years in a row etc. etc. The EU a busted flush. Not one iota of reform possible. And what about the corruption here? Let's see..industrial scale cover ups involving the police and media,mps expenses, phone hacking scandal which those at the top blantatly got away with,the ppe scandal involving millions, the corrupt as fuck honours system,lords getting paid £300 a day,millionaires getting even richer of a pandemic, the media trying to be silenced,unelected officials (the irony)having a huge amount of say,chrostopher grayling,hushing up the russann scandal..need i go on? And we have the gall to say the eu is corrupt Do we get a choice if we can fuck all of that off?Lords i agree with you but was you asleep through the mps expenses inquiry where people lost their jos? Phone hacking im sure people went to prison for where was you then?People will always make money if theres an opportunity are you now blaming the gov for covid? I dont know about a ppe scandal have any charges been made against anyone? and no idea what the russian scandal is enlighten me."There was supposed to be a 2nd enquiry into the phone hacking scandal but it was kicked into touch. You are qite happy to let millionaire politicaian make capital out of a pandemic which has killed thousands. I'll just leave that there. Unless someone has been brought to justice then no crime has been committed A staggering piece of logic. | |||
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"Allow me to further enlighten OP as to to the benefits of leaving the EU 1) Not spending £114 million a year OF OUR TAX MONEY so that the EU Parliament can move each month between Brussels and Strasbourg 2) Not funding the European Parliament ORCHESTRA ???!!!!!! 3) Commission President José Manuel Barroso had spent €249,000 (£221,610) on private jets at the time of the 2009 UN Convention on climate change. In the same year the Commission spent €300,000 (£267,000) on cocktail parties. 4) In the first two months of 2016 the EU spent nearly half a million euros spiriting its Commissioners and their courtiers around the Eurasian landmass in luxury chartered jets otherwise known as “air taxis”. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker spent €29,268 (£24,000) on a private flight for himself and nine others to Rome for a two-day trip. And foreign affairs supremo Federica Mogherini spent nearly €82,927 (£68,000) chartering an aircraft to fly to Baku in Azerbaijan. Brussels’ oblivious elites still patronise the Esimit Europa II, the EU’s thirty-metre long, forty-four foot high luxury super yacht. As Marta Andreasen, the EU’s former Chief Accountant fired for whistleblowing over fraud and corruption wrote, EU governance is ‘lawless, corrupt, mistaken, undemocratic, bureaucratic, over-regulated and, ultimately, unworkable’. " Just popped in for 5 mins. Hope you’re all keeping well. Read the pis post and felt like answering. Have a good weekend. 1. The ridiculous moving is On the agenda to be stopped as it has been there as an overhang from the original EC and was used to alley fears of undue influence. All EU agree it has to stop now. House of Lords in U.K. has been there forever and still no sign of being abolished. EU haven’t stopped us doing that ever. 2. For the few pence per person the orchestra was based in the U.K. and drew players from across the EU and was a force for good. To back this up a positive comment from a well known Tory. “ The EU Orchestra sets an example to us all by demonstrating what harmony amongst nations can achieve”. Margaret Thatcher. We subsidise arts in the U.K. it’s a good thing to encourage our European unity. 3/4 Have you seen the cost for foreign trips by our MPs? 85% of which are amazingly to sunny destinations. Fact finding in the Caribbean seems to be popular. Add to this the costly trips by unelected Lords to the pot. Over £600million to run the houses of Parliament including various subsidised BARS and restaurants. This does not include the foreign trips btw as they hide under departments of government. Boris flew to Brussels yesterday on a private plane even though it’s only a couple of hours by train. Marta Andreassen is probably correct in many ways so agree corruption runs throughout all politics including ours. Boris and his fellow MPs feeding out of three trough of consultancy whilst MP’s for years. The U.K. retail association say they now have more red tape than ever in the last 40 years, as do the food importers groups. Gertjan Vlieghe, a member of the Bank of England’s monetary policy committee calculated that before COVID the cost of Brexit to the U.K. economy, even with a deal, is £40Billion per year. Without a deal it will be considerably more. NOW THAT’S CRIMINAL!! | |||
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" 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. No, I gave plenty of other benefits of leaving in the first thread. One of the problems a lot of remoaners have is that all their information comes from James O’Brien, who has this fantasy that Brussels is a saintly magical entity that exists for the good of mankind. He NEVER makes any criticism of the EU which destroys his credibility when the corruption and waste is so self evident. Corruption and waste are evident here as we have recently seen. No one pretends the eu is perfect..far from it. However rather than staying in it and trying to bring about change we have decided to jump off a cliff and put our future in the hands of the likes of boris Johnson,Michael gove and Jacob reece mogg. And how well has that reform been going for the previous 45 years? Accounts not signed off for 17 years in a row etc. etc. The EU a busted flush. Not one iota of reform possible. And what about the corruption here? Let's see..industrial scale cover ups involving the police and media,mps expenses, phone hacking scandal which those at the top blantatly got away with,the ppe scandal involving millions, the corrupt as fuck honours system,lords getting paid £300 a day,millionaires getting even richer of a pandemic, the media trying to be silenced,unelected officials (the irony)having a huge amount of say,chrostopher grayling,hushing up the russann scandal..need i go on? And we have the gall to say the eu is corrupt Do we get a choice if we can fuck all of that off?Lords i agree with you but was you asleep through the mps expenses inquiry where people lost their jos? Phone hacking im sure people went to prison for where was you then?People will always make money if theres an opportunity are you now blaming the gov for covid? I dont know about a ppe scandal have any charges been made against anyone? and no idea what the russian scandal is enlighten me.
There was supposed to be a 2nd enquiry into the phone hacking scandal but it was kicked into touch.
You are qite happy to let millionaire politicaian make capital out of a pandemic which has killed thousands.
I'll just leave that there.
Unless someone has been brought to justice then no crime has been committed
A staggering piece of logic."If you have proof a crime has been committed take it to the police they will prosecute if its good enough. | |||
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" 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. No, I gave plenty of other benefits of leaving in the first thread. One of the problems a lot of remoaners have is that all their information comes from James O’Brien, who has this fantasy that Brussels is a saintly magical entity that exists for the good of mankind. He NEVER makes any criticism of the EU which destroys his credibility when the corruption and waste is so self evident. Corruption and waste are evident here as we have recently seen. No one pretends the eu is perfect..far from it. However rather than staying in it and trying to bring about change we have decided to jump off a cliff and put our future in the hands of the likes of boris Johnson,Michael gove and Jacob reece mogg.The eu has got that sown up mate the corruption has been going on that long no one can change it.How many times does the eu parliament ever vote down anything their masters the commissions say?Every one of them have their snouts in the trough.Exactly how do you think a handful of uk mep,s are going to change that would they want to and if so why didnt they when they had the chance? How does ruining the UK economy help fight this EU corruption?Ruining is your opinion,i dont give a toss about eu corruption now its not my taxes they are lording it up with or over me.
They are in it for themselves they have already said the integrity of the eu is paramount, never mind the countries inside who are going to bear the brunt of no deal they will just lend them more money to compensate lost trade to the uk get them further in debt and keep them more beholdant to them."Well the £200 billion cost this year is hardly a boost to the economy is it. | |||
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" 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. No, I gave plenty of other benefits of leaving in the first thread. One of the problems a lot of remoaners have is that all their information comes from James O’Brien, who has this fantasy that Brussels is a saintly magical entity that exists for the good of mankind. He NEVER makes any criticism of the EU which destroys his credibility when the corruption and waste is so self evident. Corruption and waste are evident here as we have recently seen. No one pretends the eu is perfect..far from it. However rather than staying in it and trying to bring about change we have decided to jump off a cliff and put our future in the hands of the likes of boris Johnson,Michael gove and Jacob reece mogg. And how well has that reform been going for the previous 45 years? Accounts not signed off for 17 years in a row etc. etc. The EU a busted flush. Not one iota of reform possible. And what about the corruption here? Let's see..industrial scale cover ups involving the police and media,mps expenses, phone hacking scandal which those at the top blantatly got away with,the ppe scandal involving millions, the corrupt as fuck honours system,lords getting paid £300 a day,millionaires getting even richer of a pandemic, the media trying to be silenced,unelected officials (the irony)having a huge amount of say,chrostopher grayling,hushing up the russann scandal..need i go on? And we have the gall to say the eu is corrupt Do we get a choice if we can fuck all of that off?Lords i agree with you but was you asleep through the mps expenses inquiry where people lost their jos? Phone hacking im sure people went to prison for where was you then?People will always make money if theres an opportunity are you now blaming the gov for covid? I dont know about a ppe scandal have any charges been made against anyone? and no idea what the russian scandal is enlighten me.
There was supposed to be a 2nd enquiry into the phone hacking scandal but it was kicked into touch.
You are qite happy to let millionaire politicaian make capital out of a pandemic which has killed thousands.
I'll just leave that there.
Unless someone has been brought to justice then no crime has been committed
A staggering piece of logic.If you have proof a crime has been committed take it to the police they will prosecute if its good enough. "
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"What will your arguments change? If nothing other than make you feel better is it really of any value and worth all the time, energy and stress it cause you? So lets gets this straight. You post your opinions and no one else can have one. To be honest I'm quite enjoying watching all the leavers see their dreams crumble into dust. Its highly amusing how are they crumbling? my dream was fulfilled last dec 31st. "What he meant was his dreams crumbled. Dreams of doing the same ol'. Not sure how brexit dreams crumbled as very little had come about as were still in transit and brexiteers will be the ones trying to make it better not sitting back. | |||
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"What will your arguments change? If nothing other than make you feel better is it really of any value and worth all the time, energy and stress it cause you? So lets gets this straight. You post your opinions and no one else can have one. To be honest I'm quite enjoying watching all the leavers see their dreams crumble into dust. Its highly amusing how are they crumbling? my dream was fulfilled last dec 31st.
What he meant was his dreams crumbled. Dreams of doing the same ol'. Not sure how brexit dreams crumbled as very little had come about as were still in transit and brexiteers will be the ones trying to make it better not sitting back."I wish you all the best | |||
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"I’ve criticised UK corruption and waste many many times on these boards. And I vote for those I deem least likely to be corrupt. Remoaners saying well ok fair point the EU is corrupt but so are we.... lol. Let’s leave and cut out our contribution to EU corruption, and tackle UK corruption here as well. The EU is decadent and divided. It’s going the way of all Empires. " This is all fine. But how does it benefit the UK to be out of the EU? | |||
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"So far we have discovered 1. We now can catch as much fish as we like in UK waters. But loose access to EU waters and £100 million of exports to the EU as of 2019 figures. 2. Farmers can now cut down their hedges at a detriment to wildlife. 3. Blue Passport, printed in Poland. 4. UK government could end Zero hours contracts or not or even Zero contract all round. 5. Possibly of higher Road Vehicle Lighting Rules (RVLA) - I wonder how much that will add to the UK’s GDP. 6. A supposedly £9 Billion saving. Though this is likely to be offset by increased bureaucracy in dealing with WTO rules and loss of EU subsidies, grants and development aid to Uk regions. 7. Possibility of banning live animal exports by the end of 2021. But the NFU does not fully support this. - This is a good one. Do we have any more gems.... " You do not get it simple. Because of covid timing is bad I admit but covid is the problem not brexit | |||
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"Lots more fish! Apparently its going to be compulsory to eat at least a kilo a week 2021 onwards per head. " great we will be at Whitby then every few days lol | |||
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"I’ve criticised UK corruption and waste many many times on these boards. And I vote for those I deem least likely to be corrupt. Remoaners saying well ok fair point the EU is corrupt but so are we.... lol. Let’s leave and cut out our contribution to EU corruption, and tackle UK corruption here as well. The EU is decadent and divided. It’s going the way of all Empires. " Arent other countries keen on joining it? | |||
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"I’ve criticised UK corruption and waste many many times on these boards. And I vote for those I deem least likely to be corrupt. Remoaners saying well ok fair point the EU is corrupt but so are we.... lol. Let’s leave and cut out our contribution to EU corruption, and tackle UK corruption here as well. The EU is decadent and divided. It’s going the way of all Empires. " I agree the corruption is there in both the U.K. and the Eu. We make a thousand times more than that corruption you mention in the EU so the cost is insignificant compared to the enormous benefit. As a percentage our own parliament is not so insignificant as they can spend so much more corruptly like PPE contracts to friends. The benefit isn’t so clear. | |||
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"I’ve criticised UK corruption and waste many many times on these boards. And I vote for those I deem least likely to be corrupt. Remoaners saying well ok fair point the EU is corrupt but so are we.... lol. Let’s leave and cut out our contribution to EU corruption, and tackle UK corruption here as well. The EU is decadent and divided. It’s going the way of all Empires. I agree the corruption is there in both the U.K. and the Eu. We make a thousand times more than that corruption you mention in the EU so the cost is insignificant compared to the enormous benefit. As a percentage our own parliament is not so insignificant as they can spend so much more corruptly like PPE contracts to friends. The benefit isn’t so clear. " There is no enormous benefit at all | |||
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"I’ve criticised UK corruption and waste many many times on these boards. And I vote for those I deem least likely to be corrupt. Remoaners saying well ok fair point the EU is corrupt but so are we.... lol. Let’s leave and cut out our contribution to EU corruption, and tackle UK corruption here as well. The EU is decadent and divided. It’s going the way of all Empires. Arent other countries keen on joining it?" who will they plug the gap of the U.K. leaving ? | |||
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"I’ve criticised UK corruption and waste many many times on these boards. And I vote for those I deem least likely to be corrupt. Remoaners saying well ok fair point the EU is corrupt but so are we.... lol. Let’s leave and cut out our contribution to EU corruption, and tackle UK corruption here as well. The EU is decadent and divided. It’s going the way of all Empires. I agree the corruption is there in both the U.K. and the Eu. We make a thousand times more than that corruption you mention in the EU so the cost is insignificant compared to the enormous benefit. As a percentage our own parliament is not so insignificant as they can spend so much more corruptly like PPE contracts to friends. The benefit isn’t so clear. There is no enormous benefit at all " Obviously why successive gmnts have stayed in it for 4 decades | |||
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"I’ve criticised UK corruption and waste many many times on these boards. And I vote for those I deem least likely to be corrupt. Remoaners saying well ok fair point the EU is corrupt but so are we.... lol. Let’s leave and cut out our contribution to EU corruption, and tackle UK corruption here as well. The EU is decadent and divided. It’s going the way of all Empires. I agree the corruption is there in both the U.K. and the Eu. We make a thousand times more than that corruption you mention in the EU so the cost is insignificant compared to the enormous benefit. As a percentage our own parliament is not so insignificant as they can spend so much more corruptly like PPE contracts to friends. The benefit isn’t so clear. There is no enormous benefit at all Obviously why successive gmnts have stayed in it for 4 decades " Have you not been moaning about successive governments for decades? | |||
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"Allow me to further enlighten OP as to to the benefits of leaving the EU 1) Not spending £114 million a year OF OUR TAX MONEY so that the EU Parliament can move each month between Brussels and Strasbourg 2) Not funding the European Parliament ORCHESTRA ???!!!!!! 3) Commission President José Manuel Barroso had spent €249,000 (£221,610) on private jets at the time of the 2009 UN Convention on climate change. In the same year the Commission spent €300,000 (£267,000) on cocktail parties. 4) In the first two months of 2016 the EU spent nearly half a million euros spiriting its Commissioners and their courtiers around the Eurasian landmass in luxury chartered jets otherwise known as “air taxis”. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker spent €29,268 (£24,000) on a private flight for himself and nine others to Rome for a two-day trip. And foreign affairs supremo Federica Mogherini spent nearly €82,927 (£68,000) chartering an aircraft to fly to Baku in Azerbaijan. Brussels’ oblivious elites still patronise the Esimit Europa II, the EU’s thirty-metre long, forty-four foot high luxury super yacht. As Marta Andreasen, the EU’s former Chief Accountant fired for whistleblowing over fraud and corruption wrote, EU governance is ‘lawless, corrupt, mistaken, undemocratic, bureaucratic, over-regulated and, ultimately, unworkable’. 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. " I know my orchestras, and there's no such thing as a European Parliament Orchestra. | |||
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"I’ve criticised UK corruption and waste many many times on these boards. And I vote for those I deem least likely to be corrupt. Remoaners saying well ok fair point the EU is corrupt but so are we.... lol. Let’s leave and cut out our contribution to EU corruption, and tackle UK corruption here as well. The EU is decadent and divided. It’s going the way of all Empires. I agree the corruption is there in both the U.K. and the Eu. We make a thousand times more than that corruption you mention in the EU so the cost is insignificant compared to the enormous benefit. As a percentage our own parliament is not so insignificant as they can spend so much more corruptly like PPE contracts to friends. The benefit isn’t so clear. There is no enormous benefit at all Obviously why successive gmnts have stayed in it for 4 decades " I think he’s been moaning for decades lol he asnt answered my question about who is lineing up to join the Eu yet lol | |||
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"I’ve criticised UK corruption and waste many many times on these boards. And I vote for those I deem least likely to be corrupt. Remoaners saying well ok fair point the EU is corrupt but so are we.... lol. Let’s leave and cut out our contribution to EU corruption, and tackle UK corruption here as well. The EU is decadent and divided. It’s going the way of all Empires. I agree the corruption is there in both the U.K. and the Eu. We make a thousand times more than that corruption you mention in the EU so the cost is insignificant compared to the enormous benefit. As a percentage our own parliament is not so insignificant as they can spend so much more corruptly like PPE contracts to friends. The benefit isn’t so clear. There is no enormous benefit at all Obviously why successive gmnts have stayed in it for 4 decades I think he’s been moaning for decades lol he asnt answered my question about who is lineing up to join the Eu yet lol" Turkey | |||
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"I’ve criticised UK corruption and waste many many times on these boards. And I vote for those I deem least likely to be corrupt. Remoaners saying well ok fair point the EU is corrupt but so are we.... lol. Let’s leave and cut out our contribution to EU corruption, and tackle UK corruption here as well. The EU is decadent and divided. It’s going the way of all Empires. I agree the corruption is there in both the U.K. and the Eu. We make a thousand times more than that corruption you mention in the EU so the cost is insignificant compared to the enormous benefit. As a percentage our own parliament is not so insignificant as they can spend so much more corruptly like PPE contracts to friends. The benefit isn’t so clear. There is no enormous benefit at all Obviously why successive gmnts have stayed in it for 4 decades I think he’s been moaning for decades lol he asnt answered my question about who is lineing up to join the Eu yet lol" Macedonia, Turkey, Serbia, Albania and Montenegro are all applying and trying to join the EU currently. Pretty much the only country in the world who wouldn't want to be in the EU. Is the UK. | |||
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"Allow me to further enlighten OP as to to the benefits of leaving the EU 1) Not spending £114 million a year OF OUR TAX MONEY so that the EU Parliament can move each month between Brussels and Strasbourg 2) Not funding the European Parliament ORCHESTRA ???!!!!!! 3) Commission President José Manuel Barroso had spent €249,000 (£221,610) on private jets at the time of the 2009 UN Convention on climate change. In the same year the Commission spent €300,000 (£267,000) on cocktail parties. 4) In the first two months of 2016 the EU spent nearly half a million euros spiriting its Commissioners and their courtiers around the Eurasian landmass in luxury chartered jets otherwise known as “air taxis”. Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker spent €29,268 (£24,000) on a private flight for himself and nine others to Rome for a two-day trip. And foreign affairs supremo Federica Mogherini spent nearly €82,927 (£68,000) chartering an aircraft to fly to Baku in Azerbaijan. Brussels’ oblivious elites still patronise the Esimit Europa II, the EU’s thirty-metre long, forty-four foot high luxury super yacht. As Marta Andreasen, the EU’s former Chief Accountant fired for whistleblowing over fraud and corruption wrote, EU governance is ‘lawless, corrupt, mistaken, undemocratic, bureaucratic, over-regulated and, ultimately, unworkable’. 4 points, one of which is about an orchestra. This is the best you have? Of course the EU is a bureaucratic organisation, with corruption and money wasted. Nobody ever claimed it was this saintly, perfect thing. But that's the way of the world. The rich and powerful look after each other. Look at our own government forever giving money to their mates. It doesn't mean we're best off out. If you think a penny of the money 'saved' by leaving the EU will ever make its way to your pocket you're deluded. I know my orchestras, and there's no such thing as a European Parliament Orchestra." It’s made up of fiddlers. | |||
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"Turkey applied in 2005 but, in the present climate, has no chance of being granted accession. " Wasn't "danger Turkey will join the EU and we will have a wave of brown people coming to the UK", one of the main selling points for brexit that Farage promoted. | |||
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"I’ve criticised UK corruption and waste many many times on these boards. And I vote for those I deem least likely to be corrupt. Remoaners saying well ok fair point the EU is corrupt but so are we.... lol. Let’s leave and cut out our contribution to EU corruption, and tackle UK corruption here as well. The EU is decadent and divided. It’s going the way of all Empires. I agree the corruption is there in both the U.K. and the Eu. We make a thousand times more than that corruption you mention in the EU so the cost is insignificant compared to the enormous benefit. As a percentage our own parliament is not so insignificant as they can spend so much more corruptly like PPE contracts to friends. The benefit isn’t so clear. There is no enormous benefit at all Obviously why successive gmnts have stayed in it for 4 decades I think he’s been moaning for decades lol he asnt answered my question about who is lineing up to join the Eu yet lol Macedonia, Turkey, Serbia, Albania and Montenegro are all applying and trying to join the EU currently. Pretty much the only country in the world who wouldn't want to be in the EU. Is the UK." turkey don’t stand a chance and the rest just brilliant bet the other 27 members can’t wait for there money to roll in lmao | |||
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"Turkey applied in 2005 but, in the present climate, has no chance of being granted accession. Wasn't "danger Turkey will join the EU and we will have a wave of brown people coming to the UK", one of the main selling points for brexit that Farage promoted." There’s already a lot of Turkish people here in Essex. They seem to own / run just about every barbers going, lots of restaurants & shops as well. I’m told they have Bulgarian passports? | |||
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"I’ve criticised UK corruption and waste many many times on these boards. And I vote for those I deem least likely to be corrupt. Remoaners saying well ok fair point the EU is corrupt but so are we.... lol. Let’s leave and cut out our contribution to EU corruption, and tackle UK corruption here as well. The EU is decadent and divided. It’s going the way of all Empires. I agree the corruption is there in both the U.K. and the Eu. We make a thousand times more than that corruption you mention in the EU so the cost is insignificant compared to the enormous benefit. As a percentage our own parliament is not so insignificant as they can spend so much more corruptly like PPE contracts to friends. The benefit isn’t so clear. There is no enormous benefit at all Obviously why successive gmnts have stayed in it for 4 decades I think he’s been moaning for decades lol he asnt answered my question about who is lineing up to join the Eu yet lol Macedonia, Turkey, Serbia, Albania and Montenegro are all applying and trying to join the EU currently. Pretty much the only country in the world who wouldn't want to be in the EU. Is the UK.turkey don’t stand a chance and the rest just brilliant bet the other 27 members can’t wait for there money to roll in lmao" Yeah no arrogance on these shores whatsoever. | |||
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"I’ve criticised UK corruption and waste many many times on these boards. And I vote for those I deem least likely to be corrupt. Remoaners saying well ok fair point the EU is corrupt but so are we.... lol. Let’s leave and cut out our contribution to EU corruption, and tackle UK corruption here as well. The EU is decadent and divided. It’s going the way of all Empires. I agree the corruption is there in both the U.K. and the Eu. We make a thousand times more than that corruption you mention in the EU so the cost is insignificant compared to the enormous benefit. As a percentage our own parliament is not so insignificant as they can spend so much more corruptly like PPE contracts to friends. The benefit isn’t so clear. There is no enormous benefit at all Obviously why successive gmnts have stayed in it for 4 decades I think he’s been moaning for decades lol he asnt answered my question about who is lineing up to join the Eu yet lol Macedonia, Turkey, Serbia, Albania and Montenegro are all applying and trying to join the EU currently. Pretty much the only country in the world who wouldn't want to be in the EU. Is the UK.turkey don’t stand a chance and the rest just brilliant bet the other 27 members can’t wait for there money to roll in lmao" Weren't you just asking which countries wanted to join? That you don't rate these countries, doesn't seem relevant. | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu. "They are countries that are really on our doorstep. Am sure the farmers etc will be queing up do business with Vietnam. NOT. | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu. "Well as I dont recall anyone saying that? Werent we trading with non eu countries before? | |||
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"Just read an article about a bussiness man, he was saying that if he had someone that was in running his company like Boris and his cronies are running the country they would have been sacked a long time ago. " There's a guy works down our chip shop swears he's Elvis | |||
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"I’ve criticised UK corruption and waste many many times on these boards. And I vote for those I deem least likely to be corrupt. Remoaners saying well ok fair point the EU is corrupt but so are we.... lol. Let’s leave and cut out our contribution to EU corruption, and tackle UK corruption here as well. The EU is decadent and divided. It’s going the way of all Empires. I agree the corruption is there in both the U.K. and the Eu. We make a thousand times more than that corruption you mention in the EU so the cost is insignificant compared to the enormous benefit. As a percentage our own parliament is not so insignificant as they can spend so much more corruptly like PPE contracts to friends. The benefit isn’t so clear. There is no enormous benefit at all Obviously why successive gmnts have stayed in it for 4 decades I think he’s been moaning for decades lol he asnt answered my question about who is lineing up to join the Eu yet lol Macedonia, Turkey, Serbia, Albania and Montenegro are all applying and trying to join the EU currently. Pretty much the only country in the world who wouldn't want to be in the EU. Is the UK.turkey don’t stand a chance and the rest just brilliant bet the other 27 members can’t wait for there money to roll in lmao Weren't you just asking which countries wanted to join? That you don't rate these countries, doesn't seem relevant." I knew which countrys I was asking Lionel and it’s not that I rate them I just know that they will be taking out more than they pay in would you say with the U.K. leaving and COVID that’s a good thing for the eu ? | |||
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"I’ve criticised UK corruption and waste many many times on these boards. And I vote for those I deem least likely to be corrupt. Remoaners saying well ok fair point the EU is corrupt but so are we.... lol. Let’s leave and cut out our contribution to EU corruption, and tackle UK corruption here as well. The EU is decadent and divided. It’s going the way of all Empires. I agree the corruption is there in both the U.K. and the Eu. We make a thousand times more than that corruption you mention in the EU so the cost is insignificant compared to the enormous benefit. As a percentage our own parliament is not so insignificant as they can spend so much more corruptly like PPE contracts to friends. The benefit isn’t so clear. There is no enormous benefit at all Obviously why successive gmnts have stayed in it for 4 decades I think he’s been moaning for decades lol he asnt answered my question about who is lineing up to join the Eu yet lol Macedonia, Turkey, Serbia, Albania and Montenegro are all applying and trying to join the EU currently. Pretty much the only country in the world who wouldn't want to be in the EU. Is the UK.turkey don’t stand a chance and the rest just brilliant bet the other 27 members can’t wait for there money to roll in lmao Weren't you just asking which countries wanted to join? That you don't rate these countries, doesn't seem relevant. I knew which countrys I was asking Lionel and it’s not that I rate them I just know that they will be taking out more than they pay in would you say with the U.K. leaving and COVID that’s a good thing for the eu ?" How do you know that? That will be what 31 countries who all know better than us. | |||
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"I’ve criticised UK corruption and waste many many times on these boards. And I vote for those I deem least likely to be corrupt. Remoaners saying well ok fair point the EU is corrupt but so are we.... lol. Let’s leave and cut out our contribution to EU corruption, and tackle UK corruption here as well. The EU is decadent and divided. It’s going the way of all Empires. I agree the corruption is there in both the U.K. and the Eu. We make a thousand times more than that corruption you mention in the EU so the cost is insignificant compared to the enormous benefit. As a percentage our own parliament is not so insignificant as they can spend so much more corruptly like PPE contracts to friends. The benefit isn’t so clear. There is no enormous benefit at all " So free trade with the biggest market group in the world isn’t a benefit? Which school of economics did you attend to spout that gem? Even Boris stated just last week it would be “preferable to have a deal”. If there’s no benefit then why did he say that? You’re just spouting for the sake of it as usual. I’ll repeat myself. Gertjan Vlieghe, a member of the Bank of England’s monetary policy committee, stated based on actual GDP numbers that the U.K. is worse off by £40Billion a year even with a deal and the loss is expected to be greater without a deal. So benefit is by being in the EU not out. That’s a financial fact from our own Bank of England. So benefit is achieved by being a member. Would you like me to write it in crayon? Ok how about this I’ll put it on a bus for you .. £769million a week better off. We can’t even claim benefit for printing our own passports. That fact on its own should wake people up to the reality that business is global and doesn’t give a fuck about being British if profits are affected. Boris still believes the bulldog spirit. Sadly business believes in EBIT. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-55279468 The gift that keeps on giving "They voted leave. So should be happy. I met a haulier on Wednesday who told me he was about to start complaining to his local MP. He has 120 trucks on international work but hasn’t been given a single permit so his trucks can no longer go to the continent. He voted for Brexit. I just asked him what he was thinking as he was acting like a turkey voting for Christmas. He said “I was voting to control immigration but didn’t expect this”. He’s about to feel a lot of financial pain. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-55279468 The gift that keeps on giving
They voted leave. So should be happy.
I met a haulier on Wednesday who told me he was about to start complaining to his local MP.
He has 120 trucks on international work but hasn’t been given a single permit so his trucks can no longer go to the continent.
He voted for Brexit. I just asked him what he was thinking as he was acting like a turkey voting for Christmas. He said “I was voting to control immigration but didn’t expect this”.
He’s about to feel a lot of financial pain.
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-55279468 The gift that keeps on giving
They voted leave. So should be happy.
I met a haulier on Wednesday who told me he was about to start complaining to his local MP.
He has 120 trucks on international work but hasn’t been given a single permit so his trucks can no longer go to the continent.
He voted for Brexit. I just asked him what he was thinking as he was acting like a turkey voting for Christmas. He said “I was voting to control immigration but didn’t expect this”.
He’s about to feel a lot of financial pain.
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"I’ve criticised UK corruption and waste many many times on these boards. And I vote for those I deem least likely to be corrupt. Remoaners saying well ok fair point the EU is corrupt but so are we.... lol. Let’s leave and cut out our contribution to EU corruption, and tackle UK corruption here as well. The EU is decadent and divided. It’s going the way of all Empires. I agree the corruption is there in both the U.K. and the Eu. We make a thousand times more than that corruption you mention in the EU so the cost is insignificant compared to the enormous benefit. As a percentage our own parliament is not so insignificant as they can spend so much more corruptly like PPE contracts to friends. The benefit isn’t so clear. There is no enormous benefit at all So free trade with the biggest market group in the world isn’t a benefit? Which school of economics did you attend to spout that gem? Even Boris stated just last week it would be “preferable to have a deal”. If there’s no benefit then why did he say that? You’re just spouting for the sake of it as usual. I’ll repeat myself. Gertjan Vlieghe, a member of the Bank of England’s monetary policy committee, stated based on actual GDP numbers that the U.K. is worse off by £40Billion a year even with a deal and the loss is expected to be greater without a deal. So benefit is by being in the EU not out. That’s a financial fact from our own Bank of England. So benefit is achieved by being a member. Would you like me to write it in crayon? Ok how about this I’ll put it on a bus for you .. £769million a week better off. We can’t even claim benefit for printing our own passports. That fact on its own should wake people up to the reality that business is global and doesn’t give a fuck about being British if profits are affected. Boris still believes the bulldog spirit. Sadly business believes in EBIT. " Where will this supposed 40 billion be going? You would think the EU would be glad to see the back of us then wouldn't you? | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?"Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU? It certainly isn’t Singapore... | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore... "Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic). A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money. Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments. | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments. "It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ? | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ? "Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion. So we are doing rather better already eh | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?"It’s good we have continued with Singapore but that’s holding on that’s not winning a deal. We according to Boris and Co are supposed to be copying the Singapore economic model here in the U.K. When you see their GDP which does look great I agree, do a little more reading and drill into the mode income. $10 a day is not uncommon . Exploitation at its finest. If you’re a low paid factory worker you’re not sharing in that fine GDP Deal is a deal though. If you look into the elite pay scales in Singapore it explains why our disgraceful leaders are drawn to the Singapore model. Cronyism beyond belief. Also clearly shows why Dyson moved his tax residency there. | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh "Are people just ignoring what I posted? The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade. | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade."The EU, taken as a whole is the UK's largest trading partner. In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £294 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £374 billion (52% of all UK imports) | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade."No Remoaner will answer you, they tend to follow the James O’Brien argument model - write a book about the merits of admitting you could be wrong, but then say it doesn’t apply to themselves lol. It really doesn’t matter how many trade deals we sign, how much the economy grows, the Remoaners will be crying their salty tears for ever more saying how much better off we would be in Europe even as Brussels collapses in on itself dragged down by its own decadence and corruption. | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
The EU, taken as a whole is the UK's largest trading partner. In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £294 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £374 billion (52% of all UK imports)"Has anyone said we will not be doing any trade at all with the EU? It may be on WTO tariffs but its still trading? | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
The EU, taken as a whole is the UK's largest trading partner. In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £294 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £374 billion (52% of all UK imports)
Has anyone said we will not be doing any trade at all with the EU?
It may be on WTO tariffs but its still trading?"The UK can still trade with the EU but on different terms to what we usually do. To say or imply we will loose all trade with the EU is misleading. Many countries around the world trade with the EU without a deal | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
The EU, taken as a whole is the UK's largest trading partner. In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £294 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £374 billion (52% of all UK imports)
Has anyone said we will not be doing any trade at all with the EU?
It may be on WTO tariffs but its still trading?"On the EU we will be doing trade but on terms far worse for virtually all exporters and your comment on £193Billion , is that new business or just existing business? If it was new it would be spread on every news outlet as that’s a 15% increase in our GDP so twice the growth rate of China We usually spend weeks bragging about a £4Billion deal to sell weapons to Saudi. So £193bilion of extra trade would be amazing. Dismissing tariffs saying “it may be WTO tariffs” is very flippant. A lot of businesses are already struggling due to Covid . Losing business due to customs costs and tariffs will just add to the pain. Boris says we will be fine. The royal we or just him? No country wants to trade on WTO terms as they are crap. Only Mauritania does and they are about to do a deal with the EU. China Russia and India have certain routes on WTO for protection or political reasons but definitely not to improve trade. It’s a last resort. Look up the Welsh lamb tariffs and ask the farmers where the cash will come from to support their loss. | |||
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"If brexiteers are celebrating wildly at not losing one trade deal. Imagine how crazy the celebrations would be if we had stayed in the EU and not lost any of the deals. Amazing."  | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
The EU, taken as a whole is the UK's largest trading partner. In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £294 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £374 billion (52% of all UK imports)
Has anyone said we will not be doing any trade at all with the EU?
It may be on WTO tariffs but its still trading?
On the EU we will be doing trade but on terms far worse for virtually all exporters and your comment on £193Billion , is that new business or just existing business?
If it was new it would be spread on every news outlet as that’s a 15% increase in our GDP so twice the growth rate of China
We usually spend weeks bragging about a £4Billion deal to sell weapons to Saudi.
So £193bilion of extra trade would be amazing.
Dismissing tariffs saying “it may be WTO tariffs” is very flippant.
A lot of businesses are already struggling due to Covid . Losing business due to customs costs and tariffs will just add to the pain. Boris says we will be fine. The royal we or just him?
No country wants to trade on WTO terms as they are crap. Only Mauritania does and they are about to do a deal with the EU.
China Russia and India have certain routes on WTO for protection or political reasons but definitely not to improve trade.
It’s a last resort.
Look up the Welsh lamb tariffs and ask the farmers where the cash will come from to support their loss.
"Most of the rest of the world trades on WTO, see the previous thread for the full fact.org answer on that. | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
No Remoaner will answer you, they tend to follow the James O’Brien argument model - write a book about the merits of admitting you could be wrong, but then say it doesn’t apply to themselves lol.
It really doesn’t matter how many trade deals we sign, how much the economy grows, the Remoaners will be crying their salty tears for ever more saying how much better off we would be in Europe even as Brussels collapses in on itself dragged down by its own decadence and corruption."When do you think Brussels ‘will collapse in on itself? Are you one of the leave voters who will only be happy if the EU fails ? I thought leaving the EU was about getting better trade deals with the rest of the world rather than keeping the ones we had ?? | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade."Yes and another step forward to joining the trans pacific agreement as we now have nearly all the 11 countries in it. | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
No Remoaner will answer you, they tend to follow the James O’Brien argument model - write a book about the merits of admitting you could be wrong, but then say it doesn’t apply to themselves lol.
It really doesn’t matter how many trade deals we sign, how much the economy grows, the Remoaners will be crying their salty tears for ever more saying how much better off we would be in Europe even as Brussels collapses in on itself dragged down by its own decadence and corruption.
When do you think Brussels ‘will collapse in on itself? Are you one of the leave voters who will only be happy if the EU fails ? I thought leaving the EU was about getting better trade deals with the rest of the world rather than keeping the ones we had ??"I specifically said Brussels, I hope all the EU countries under the despotic yoke can free themselves and ultimately work together in a free trade area without having 4% of their budget contributions lost to fraud every year. | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
The EU, taken as a whole is the UK's largest trading partner. In 2019, UK exports to the EU were £294 billion (43% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £374 billion (52% of all UK imports)
Has anyone said we will not be doing any trade at all with the EU?
It may be on WTO tariffs but its still trading?
On the EU we will be doing trade but on terms far worse for virtually all exporters and your comment on £193Billion , is that new business or just existing business?
If it was new it would be spread on every news outlet as that’s a 15% increase in our GDP so twice the growth rate of China
We usually spend weeks bragging about a £4Billion deal to sell weapons to Saudi.
So £193bilion of extra trade would be amazing.
Dismissing tariffs saying “it may be WTO tariffs” is very flippant.
A lot of businesses are already struggling due to Covid . Losing business due to customs costs and tariffs will just add to the pain. Boris says we will be fine. The royal we or just him?
No country wants to trade on WTO terms as they are crap. Only Mauritania does and they are about to do a deal with the EU.
China Russia and India have certain routes on WTO for protection or political reasons but definitely not to improve trade.
It’s a last resort.
Look up the Welsh lamb tariffs and ask the farmers where the cash will come from to support their loss.
Most of the rest of the world trades on WTO, see the previous thread for the full fact.org answer on that. "All countries use it in a limited way including us. I didn’t say they didn’t but they prefer not to as it’s more costly and worse for business. Hence the new Far East trade group recently announced. If WTO better then why bother? The talks have been extended again . If as Boris says it makes no difference they why doesn’t he just walk right now. Surely we will be better off if we believe his claim so he’s staying for what reason?? He said one year ago 1 million percent we will have a deal. He’s fucked it and now he’s in the shit scrambling for anything. Boxed himself into a corner like a professional So is it £193Billion new business as I can’t find it in the news? | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
No Remoaner will answer you, they tend to follow the James O’Brien argument model - write a book about the merits of admitting you could be wrong, but then say it doesn’t apply to themselves lol.
It really doesn’t matter how many trade deals we sign, how much the economy grows, the Remoaners will be crying their salty tears for ever more saying how much better off we would be in Europe even as Brussels collapses in on itself dragged down by its own decadence and corruption.
When do you think Brussels ‘will collapse in on itself? Are you one of the leave voters who will only be happy if the EU fails ? I thought leaving the EU was about getting better trade deals with the rest of the world rather than keeping the ones we had ??
I specifically said Brussels, I hope all the EU countries under the despotic yoke can free themselves and ultimately work together in a free trade area without having 4% of their budget contributions lost to fraud every year. "The fraud you mention is around £5-6 Billion then. If that’s correct. The U.K. government loses £40billion a year to fraud according to the governments own published figures. The money looks to be in safer hands than our own shit show!! | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
No Remoaner will answer you, they tend to follow the James O’Brien argument model - write a book about the merits of admitting you could be wrong, but then say it doesn’t apply to themselves lol.
It really doesn’t matter how many trade deals we sign, how much the economy grows, the Remoaners will be crying their salty tears for ever more saying how much better off we would be in Europe even as Brussels collapses in on itself dragged down by its own decadence and corruption.
When do you think Brussels ‘will collapse in on itself? Are you one of the leave voters who will only be happy if the EU fails ? I thought leaving the EU was about getting better trade deals with the rest of the world rather than keeping the ones we had ??
I specifically said Brussels, I hope all the EU countries under the despotic yoke can free themselves and ultimately work together in a free trade area without having 4% of their budget contributions lost to fraud every year.
The fraud you mention is around £5-6 Billion then. If that’s correct.
The U.K. government loses £40billion a year to fraud according to the governments own published figures.
The money looks to be in safer hands than our own shit show!!
"Maybe try reading that back to yourself. Does that make any logical sense? Or have you accidentally on purpose muddled up two completely different figures? Most Remoaners in this thread have conceded at last that Brussels is a cesspit of corruption and waste. | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
No Remoaner will answer you, they tend to follow the James O’Brien argument model - write a book about the merits of admitting you could be wrong, but then say it doesn’t apply to themselves lol.
It really doesn’t matter how many trade deals we sign, how much the economy grows, the Remoaners will be crying their salty tears for ever more saying how much better off we would be in Europe even as Brussels collapses in on itself dragged down by its own decadence and corruption.
When do you think Brussels ‘will collapse in on itself? Are you one of the leave voters who will only be happy if the EU fails ? I thought leaving the EU was about getting better trade deals with the rest of the world rather than keeping the ones we had ??
I specifically said Brussels, I hope all the EU countries under the despotic yoke can free themselves and ultimately work together in a free trade area without having 4% of their budget contributions lost to fraud every year.
The fraud you mention is around £5-6 Billion then. If that’s correct.
The U.K. government loses £40billion a year to fraud according to the governments own published figures.
The money looks to be in safer hands than our own shit show!!
Maybe try reading that back to yourself. Does that make any logical sense? Or have you accidentally on purpose muddled up two completely different figures?
Most Remoaners in this thread have conceded at last that Brussels is a cesspit of corruption and waste."No one has said that Most of said we have a country that is absolutely rife with corruption | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
No Remoaner will answer you, they tend to follow the James O’Brien argument model - write a book about the merits of admitting you could be wrong, but then say it doesn’t apply to themselves lol.
It really doesn’t matter how many trade deals we sign, how much the economy grows, the Remoaners will be crying their salty tears for ever more saying how much better off we would be in Europe even as Brussels collapses in on itself dragged down by its own decadence and corruption.
When do you think Brussels ‘will collapse in on itself? Are you one of the leave voters who will only be happy if the EU fails ? I thought leaving the EU was about getting better trade deals with the rest of the world rather than keeping the ones we had ??
I specifically said Brussels, I hope all the EU countries under the despotic yoke can free themselves and ultimately work together in a free trade area without having 4% of their budget contributions lost to fraud every year.
The fraud you mention is around £5-6 Billion then. If that’s correct.
The U.K. government loses £40billion a year to fraud according to the governments own published figures.
The money looks to be in safer hands than our own shit show!!
Maybe try reading that back to yourself. Does that make any logical sense? Or have you accidentally on purpose muddled up two completely different figures?
Most Remoaners in this thread have conceded at last that Brussels is a cesspit of corruption and waste."I haven't seen any "remoaners" posting. Just people who understand what's going on and who don't want to put up with the utter cluster fuck that we said it would be. | |||
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"I think the ferry from Dover to Calais takes about 1 and half hours, Can anyone tell me how long the ferry crossings from Dover to Singapore takes " It would be the same. 1 hour and 30 minutes. But the problem is that remainers are too negative, and it actually takes days. | |||
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"I think the ferry from Dover to Calais takes about 1 and half hours, Can anyone tell me how long the ferry crossings from Dover to Singapore takes "
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
No Remoaner will answer you, they tend to follow the James O’Brien argument model - write a book about the merits of admitting you could be wrong, but then say it doesn’t apply to themselves lol.
It really doesn’t matter how many trade deals we sign, how much the economy grows, the Remoaners will be crying their salty tears for ever more saying how much better off we would be in Europe even as Brussels collapses in on itself dragged down by its own decadence and corruption.
When do you think Brussels ‘will collapse in on itself? Are you one of the leave voters who will only be happy if the EU fails ? I thought leaving the EU was about getting better trade deals with the rest of the world rather than keeping the ones we had ??
I specifically said Brussels, I hope all the EU countries under the despotic yoke can free themselves and ultimately work together in a free trade area without having 4% of their budget contributions lost to fraud every year.
The fraud you mention is around £5-6 Billion then. If that’s correct.
The U.K. government loses £40billion a year to fraud according to the governments own published figures.
The money looks to be in safer hands than our own shit show!!
Maybe try reading that back to yourself. Does that make any logical sense? Or have you accidentally on purpose muddled up two completely different figures?
Most Remoaners in this thread have conceded at last that Brussels is a cesspit of corruption and waste.
I haven't seen any "remoaners" posting.
Just people who understand what's going on and who don't want to put up with the utter cluster fuck that we said it would be."May need some explanation to your random statement that's seems to say very little other than, you seem to know you what will happen, you have a better knowledge and understanding of all that in volved than those in policy and negotiation and obviously unaware of many of the things remainers said would happen that never came about. So may I as if you could list in your knowledge 1. What is it that is going on as you say, presumably doom and gloom. 2. You're not putting up with IT. What is this it and what are you doing that means IT is not effect you? 3. Lastly can you explain what is THIS cluster fuck and what makes it a cluster fuck that you're talking about? | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.Yes and another step forward to joining the trans pacific agreement as we now have nearly all the 11 countries in it. " | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
No Remoaner will answer you, they tend to follow the James O’Brien argument model - write a book about the merits of admitting you could be wrong, but then say it doesn’t apply to themselves lol.
It really doesn’t matter how many trade deals we sign, how much the economy grows, the Remoaners will be crying their salty tears for ever more saying how much better off we would be in Europe even as Brussels collapses in on itself dragged down by its own decadence and corruption.
When do you think Brussels ‘will collapse in on itself? Are you one of the leave voters who will only be happy if the EU fails ? I thought leaving the EU was about getting better trade deals with the rest of the world rather than keeping the ones we had ??
I specifically said Brussels, I hope all the EU countries under the despotic yoke can free themselves and ultimately work together in a free trade area without having 4% of their budget contributions lost to fraud every year.
The fraud you mention is around £5-6 Billion then. If that’s correct.
The U.K. government loses £40billion a year to fraud according to the governments own published figures.
The money looks to be in safer hands than our own shit show!!
Maybe try reading that back to yourself. Does that make any logical sense? Or have you accidentally on purpose muddled up two completely different figures?
Most Remoaners in this thread have conceded at last that Brussels is a cesspit of corruption and waste.
I haven't seen any "remoaners" posting.
Just people who understand what's going on and who don't want to put up with the utter cluster fuck that we said it would be.
May need some explanation to your random statement that's seems to say very little other than, you seem to know you what will happen, you have a better knowledge and understanding of all that in volved than those in policy and negotiation and obviously unaware of many of the things remainers said would happen that never came about.
So may I as if you could list in your knowledge
1. What is it that is going on as you say, presumably doom and gloom.
2. You're not putting up with IT. What is this it and what are you doing that means IT is not effect you?
3. Lastly can you explain what is THIS cluster fuck and what makes it a cluster fuck that you're talking about?
"Sure. 1. Brexit. 2. Brexit. It effects all of us, not just those who voted for it. 3. The last four years we've had this brexit thing going on. It's an utter clusterfuck from day one. Exactly as "project fear" said it would be. Hope this helps. | |||
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"The future is not ferries, it's technology, AI, 3D printing etc meaning fewer goods needing to be transported" Yes i agree with you, the problem for post Brexit UK is that these products require a highly educated young workforce, like you find in places like Singapore and Ireland, the post industrial working class people of Britain do not remotely possess these educational levels and the 3rd level education system in the uk is not equipped to provide them in the quantities required,massive long term investment in education is required, and it takes at least 20 years to see any benefit from this investment | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
No Remoaner will answer you, they tend to follow the James O’Brien argument model - write a book about the merits of admitting you could be wrong, but then say it doesn’t apply to themselves lol.
It really doesn’t matter how many trade deals we sign, how much the economy grows, the Remoaners will be crying their salty tears for ever more saying how much better off we would be in Europe even as Brussels collapses in on itself dragged down by its own decadence and corruption.
When do you think Brussels ‘will collapse in on itself? Are you one of the leave voters who will only be happy if the EU fails ? I thought leaving the EU was about getting better trade deals with the rest of the world rather than keeping the ones we had ??
I specifically said Brussels, I hope all the EU countries under the despotic yoke can free themselves and ultimately work together in a free trade area without having 4% of their budget contributions lost to fraud every year.
The fraud you mention is around £5-6 Billion then. If that’s correct.
The U.K. government loses £40billion a year to fraud according to the governments own published figures.
The money looks to be in safer hands than our own shit show!!
Maybe try reading that back to yourself. Does that make any logical sense? Or have you accidentally on purpose muddled up two completely different figures?
Most Remoaners in this thread have conceded at last that Brussels is a cesspit of corruption and waste."No nothing wrong there. EU BUDGET 2019 at 4% fraud with total budget of €148B calculates to just under €6billion U.K. Government estimate on U.K. fraud in government £40Billion So the U.K. government loses at least £34Billion more than the European Parliament to fraud. So in actual cash lost the U.K. is way ahead ! But we are winning so feel free to claim that race! | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
No Remoaner will answer you, they tend to follow the James O’Brien argument model - write a book about the merits of admitting you could be wrong, but then say it doesn’t apply to themselves lol.
It really doesn’t matter how many trade deals we sign, how much the economy grows, the Remoaners will be crying their salty tears for ever more saying how much better off we would be in Europe even as Brussels collapses in on itself dragged down by its own decadence and corruption.
When do you think Brussels ‘will collapse in on itself? Are you one of the leave voters who will only be happy if the EU fails ? I thought leaving the EU was about getting better trade deals with the rest of the world rather than keeping the ones we had ??
I specifically said Brussels, I hope all the EU countries under the despotic yoke can free themselves and ultimately work together in a free trade area without having 4% of their budget contributions lost to fraud every year.
The fraud you mention is around £5-6 Billion then. If that’s correct.
The U.K. government loses £40billion a year to fraud according to the governments own published figures.
The money looks to be in safer hands than our own shit show!!
Maybe try reading that back to yourself. Does that make any logical sense? Or have you accidentally on purpose muddled up two completely different figures?
Most Remoaners in this thread have conceded at last that Brussels is a cesspit of corruption and waste.
I haven't seen any "remoaners" posting.
Just people who understand what's going on and who don't want to put up with the utter cluster fuck that we said it would be.
May need some explanation to your random statement that's seems to say very little other than, you seem to know you what will happen, you have a better knowledge and understanding of all that in volved than those in policy and negotiation and obviously unaware of many of the things remainers said would happen that never came about.
So may I as if you could list in your knowledge
1. What is it that is going on as you say, presumably doom and gloom.
2. You're not putting up with IT. What is this it and what are you doing that means IT is not effect you?
3. Lastly can you explain what is THIS cluster fuck and what makes it a cluster fuck that you're talking about?
Sure.
1. Brexit.
2. Brexit. It effects all of us, not just those who voted for it.
3. The last four years we've had this brexit thing going on. It's an utter clusterfuck from day one. Exactly as "project fear" said it would be.
Hope this helps.
"So you still haven't explain how except in utter vague terms like some news of the world headline. Unconvincing arguments as it's just opinions that you're saying with no details as per most response in here. It's noteworthy that most Brexit posts are by those who aren't happy and continue to try to get more on board in their unhappy boat. If the vote had gone the other way then it would also effect all of us and not just those who voted against it. Much like saying the pope is Catholic. Such a revelation. The last 4 years have been primarily the EU trying with all its powers to prevent it and cause as difficult a transition as possible, with the single goal of scaring anyone else who may wish to do so, like they did with Greece and succeeded. Unlike Greece we aren't being bl*CK m*Iles into staying. You avoided the most important question and that was what are you doing to avoid it. You seemed so confident and assertive in your statement of not putting up with it. But all I hear is moaning, not anything constructive that demonstrates you're not putting up with it? I'm asking because that would help your cause knowing there is something positive that can be done. Offer something as you say your doing it. If there isn't what do you gain from your rhetoric? | |||
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"The people voted you have to accept the consequences. "Maybe the remoamers shouldn't enjoy any potential benefits. Would be interesting to read back over the soothsayers and prophets predictions in a couple years time. | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
No Remoaner will answer you, they tend to follow the James O’Brien argument model - write a book about the merits of admitting you could be wrong, but then say it doesn’t apply to themselves lol.
It really doesn’t matter how many trade deals we sign, how much the economy grows, the Remoaners will be crying their salty tears for ever more saying how much better off we would be in Europe even as Brussels collapses in on itself dragged down by its own decadence and corruption.
When do you think Brussels ‘will collapse in on itself? Are you one of the leave voters who will only be happy if the EU fails ? I thought leaving the EU was about getting better trade deals with the rest of the world rather than keeping the ones we had ??
I specifically said Brussels, I hope all the EU countries under the despotic yoke can free themselves and ultimately work together in a free trade area without having 4% of their budget contributions lost to fraud every year.
The fraud you mention is around £5-6 Billion then. If that’s correct.
The U.K. government loses £40billion a year to fraud according to the governments own published figures.
The money looks to be in safer hands than our own shit show!!
Maybe try reading that back to yourself. Does that make any logical sense? Or have you accidentally on purpose muddled up two completely different figures?
Most Remoaners in this thread have conceded at last that Brussels is a cesspit of corruption and waste.
I haven't seen any "remoaners" posting.
Just people who understand what's going on and who don't want to put up with the utter cluster fuck that we said it would be.
May need some explanation to your random statement that's seems to say very little other than, you seem to know you what will happen, you have a better knowledge and understanding of all that in volved than those in policy and negotiation and obviously unaware of many of the things remainers said would happen that never came about.
So may I as if you could list in your knowledge
1. What is it that is going on as you say, presumably doom and gloom.
2. You're not putting up with IT. What is this it and what are you doing that means IT is not effect you?
3. Lastly can you explain what is THIS cluster fuck and what makes it a cluster fuck that you're talking about?
Sure.
1. Brexit.
2. Brexit. It effects all of us, not just those who voted for it.
3. The last four years we've had this brexit thing going on. It's an utter clusterfuck from day one. Exactly as "project fear" said it would be.
Hope this helps.
So you still haven't explain how except in utter vague terms like some news of the world headline.
Unconvincing arguments as it's just opinions that you're saying with no details as per most response in here.
It's noteworthy that most Brexit posts are by those who aren't happy and continue to try to get more on board in their unhappy boat.
If the vote had gone the other way then it would also effect all of us and not just those who voted against it. Much like saying the pope is Catholic. Such a revelation.
The last 4 years have been primarily the EU trying with all its powers to prevent it and cause as difficult a transition as possible, with the single goal of scaring anyone else who may wish to do so, like they did with Greece and succeeded. Unlike Greece we aren't being bl*CK m*Iles into staying.
You avoided the most important question and that was what are you doing to avoid it. You seemed so confident and assertive in your statement of not putting up with it. But all I hear is moaning, not anything constructive that demonstrates you're not putting up with it?
I'm asking because that would help your cause knowing there is something positive that can be done. Offer something as you say your doing it. If there isn't what do you gain from your rhetoric?"That's a lot of waffle, most of which you've made up/read in the Daily Mail. I don't know what you want me to say. Have a look into brexit. If we would have stayed, then the benefits would have been for all of us. As people voted leave, all the shit that comes with that effects all of us. The summary of the situation is the same as it was four years ago. Damaging to the economy. Businesses relocating to the EU. Losing our right to live and travel in EU countries. Losing protections over workers rights, environmental protection, safety standards. Being stuck in a quagmire of bullshit to deal with trying to fight for scraps of trade deals. Has no tangible benefits. As fun as these threads are watching brexiteers desperately clinging to the most vague straws they can. I'm starting to get bored, so I'll leave you guys to it. | |||
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"The people voted you have to accept the consequences.
Maybe the remoamers shouldn't enjoy any potential benefits.
Would be interesting to read back over the soothsayers and prophets predictions in a couple years time. "Oh trust us we feel your pain | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
No Remoaner will answer you, they tend to follow the James O’Brien argument model - write a book about the merits of admitting you could be wrong, but then say it doesn’t apply to themselves lol.
It really doesn’t matter how many trade deals we sign, how much the economy grows, the Remoaners will be crying their salty tears for ever more saying how much better off we would be in Europe even as Brussels collapses in on itself dragged down by its own decadence and corruption.
When do you think Brussels ‘will collapse in on itself? Are you one of the leave voters who will only be happy if the EU fails ? I thought leaving the EU was about getting better trade deals with the rest of the world rather than keeping the ones we had ??
I specifically said Brussels, I hope all the EU countries under the despotic yoke can free themselves and ultimately work together in a free trade area without having 4% of their budget contributions lost to fraud every year.
The fraud you mention is around £5-6 Billion then. If that’s correct.
The U.K. government loses £40billion a year to fraud according to the governments own published figures.
The money looks to be in safer hands than our own shit show!!
Maybe try reading that back to yourself. Does that make any logical sense? Or have you accidentally on purpose muddled up two completely different figures?
Most Remoaners in this thread have conceded at last that Brussels is a cesspit of corruption and waste.
No nothing wrong there.
EU BUDGET 2019 at 4% fraud with total budget of €148B calculates to just under €6billion
U.K. Government estimate on U.K. fraud in government £40Billion
So the U.K. government loses at least £34Billion more than the European Parliament to fraud.
So in actual cash lost the U.K. is way ahead !
But we are winning so feel free to claim that race! "As you know full well, two completely different figures, EU government fraud against private sector criminal fraud, one has nothing to do with the other. | |||
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"The people voted you have to accept the consequences.
Maybe the remoamers shouldn't enjoy any potential benefits.
Would be interesting to read back over the soothsayers and prophets predictions in a couple years time. "The Remoaners won’t change their views, however well we do as a country, they will say with no evidence how it would have been even better if we were still a member. | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
No Remoaner will answer you, they tend to follow the James O’Brien argument model - write a book about the merits of admitting you could be wrong, but then say it doesn’t apply to themselves lol.
It really doesn’t matter how many trade deals we sign, how much the economy grows, the Remoaners will be crying their salty tears for ever more saying how much better off we would be in Europe even as Brussels collapses in on itself dragged down by its own decadence and corruption.
When do you think Brussels ‘will collapse in on itself? Are you one of the leave voters who will only be happy if the EU fails ? I thought leaving the EU was about getting better trade deals with the rest of the world rather than keeping the ones we had ??
I specifically said Brussels, I hope all the EU countries under the despotic yoke can free themselves and ultimately work together in a free trade area without having 4% of their budget contributions lost to fraud every year.
The fraud you mention is around £5-6 Billion then. If that’s correct.
The U.K. government loses £40billion a year to fraud according to the governments own published figures.
The money looks to be in safer hands than our own shit show!!
Maybe try reading that back to yourself. Does that make any logical sense? Or have you accidentally on purpose muddled up two completely different figures?
Most Remoaners in this thread have conceded at last that Brussels is a cesspit of corruption and waste.
I haven't seen any "remoaners" posting.
Just people who understand what's going on and who don't want to put up with the utter cluster fuck that we said it would be.
May need some explanation to your random statement that's seems to say very little other than, you seem to know you what will happen, you have a better knowledge and understanding of all that in volved than those in policy and negotiation and obviously unaware of many of the things remainers said would happen that never came about.
So may I as if you could list in your knowledge
1. What is it that is going on as you say, presumably doom and gloom.
2. You're not putting up with IT. What is this it and what are you doing that means IT is not effect you?
3. Lastly can you explain what is THIS cluster fuck and what makes it a cluster fuck that you're talking about?
Sure.
1. Brexit.
2. Brexit. It effects all of us, not just those who voted for it.
3. The last four years we've had this brexit thing going on. It's an utter clusterfuck from day one. Exactly as "project fear" said it would be.
Hope this helps.
So you still haven't explain how except in utter vague terms like some news of the world headline.
Unconvincing arguments as it's just opinions that you're saying with no details as per most response in here.
It's noteworthy that most Brexit posts are by those who aren't happy and continue to try to get more on board in their unhappy boat.
If the vote had gone the other way then it would also effect all of us and not just those who voted against it. Much like saying the pope is Catholic. Such a revelation.
The last 4 years have been primarily the EU trying with all its powers to prevent it and cause as difficult a transition as possible, with the single goal of scaring anyone else who may wish to do so, like they did with Greece and succeeded. Unlike Greece we aren't being bl*CK m*Iles into staying.
You avoided the most important question and that was what are you doing to avoid it. You seemed so confident and assertive in your statement of not putting up with it. But all I hear is moaning, not anything constructive that demonstrates you're not putting up with it?
I'm asking because that would help your cause knowing there is something positive that can be done. Offer something as you say your doing it. If there isn't what do you gain from your rhetoric?
That's a lot of waffle, most of which you've made up/read in the Daily Mail.
I don't know what you want me to say. Have a look into brexit. If we would have stayed, then the benefits would have been for all of us. As people voted leave, all the shit that comes with that effects all of us.
The summary of the situation is the same as it was four years ago.
Damaging to the economy.
Businesses relocating to the EU.
Losing our right to live and travel in EU countries.
Losing protections over workers rights, environmental protection, safety standards.
Being stuck in a quagmire of bullshit to deal with trying to fight for scraps of trade deals.
Has no tangible benefits.
As fun as these threads are watching brexiteers desperately clinging to the most vague straws they can. I'm starting to get bored, so I'll leave you guys to it.
"When you listen to James O’Brien in the morning, do me a quick favour and add up the number of times he makes a single positive suggestion. We both know it will be zero. It is not the critic who counts, it is the man in the arena. | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
No Remoaner will answer you, they tend to follow the James O’Brien argument model - write a book about the merits of admitting you could be wrong, but then say it doesn’t apply to themselves lol.
It really doesn’t matter how many trade deals we sign, how much the economy grows, the Remoaners will be crying their salty tears for ever more saying how much better off we would be in Europe even as Brussels collapses in on itself dragged down by its own decadence and corruption.
When do you think Brussels ‘will collapse in on itself? Are you one of the leave voters who will only be happy if the EU fails ? I thought leaving the EU was about getting better trade deals with the rest of the world rather than keeping the ones we had ??
I specifically said Brussels, I hope all the EU countries under the despotic yoke can free themselves and ultimately work together in a free trade area without having 4% of their budget contributions lost to fraud every year.
The fraud you mention is around £5-6 Billion then. If that’s correct.
The U.K. government loses £40billion a year to fraud according to the governments own published figures.
The money looks to be in safer hands than our own shit show!!
Maybe try reading that back to yourself. Does that make any logical sense? Or have you accidentally on purpose muddled up two completely different figures?
Most Remoaners in this thread have conceded at last that Brussels is a cesspit of corruption and waste.
I haven't seen any "remoaners" posting.
Just people who understand what's going on and who don't want to put up with the utter cluster fuck that we said it would be.
May need some explanation to your random statement that's seems to say very little other than, you seem to know you what will happen, you have a better knowledge and understanding of all that in volved than those in policy and negotiation and obviously unaware of many of the things remainers said would happen that never came about.
So may I as if you could list in your knowledge
1. What is it that is going on as you say, presumably doom and gloom.
2. You're not putting up with IT. What is this it and what are you doing that means IT is not effect you?
3. Lastly can you explain what is THIS cluster fuck and what makes it a cluster fuck that you're talking about?
Sure.
1. Brexit.
2. Brexit. It effects all of us, not just those who voted for it.
3. The last four years we've had this brexit thing going on. It's an utter clusterfuck from day one. Exactly as "project fear" said it would be.
Hope this helps.
So you still haven't explain how except in utter vague terms like some news of the world headline.
Unconvincing arguments as it's just opinions that you're saying with no details as per most response in here.
It's noteworthy that most Brexit posts are by those who aren't happy and continue to try to get more on board in their unhappy boat.
If the vote had gone the other way then it would also effect all of us and not just those who voted against it. Much like saying the pope is Catholic. Such a revelation.
The last 4 years have been primarily the EU trying with all its powers to prevent it and cause as difficult a transition as possible, with the single goal of scaring anyone else who may wish to do so, like they did with Greece and succeeded. Unlike Greece we aren't being bl*CK m*Iles into staying.
You avoided the most important question and that was what are you doing to avoid it. You seemed so confident and assertive in your statement of not putting up with it. But all I hear is moaning, not anything constructive that demonstrates you're not putting up with it?
I'm asking because that would help your cause knowing there is something positive that can be done. Offer something as you say your doing it. If there isn't what do you gain from your rhetoric?
That's a lot of waffle, most of which you've made up/read in the Daily Mail.
I don't know what you want me to say. Have a look into brexit. If we would have stayed, then the benefits would have been for all of us. As people voted leave, all the shit that comes with that effects all of us.
The summary of the situation is the same as it was four years ago.
Damaging to the economy.
Businesses relocating to the EU.
Losing our right to live and travel in EU countries.
Losing protections over workers rights, environmental protection, safety standards.
Being stuck in a quagmire of bullshit to deal with trying to fight for scraps of trade deals.
Has no tangible benefits.
As fun as these threads are watching brexiteers desperately clinging to the most vague straws they can. I'm starting to get bored, so I'll leave you guys to it.
"Well I'm sorry to say if that was your best attempt at answering to explain you very vague statements then no wonder the vote went the way it did. It's not Brexiteers who are clinging on as they jumped the sinking ship, but the remoamers clinging on to something sinking and will be the past in a very short time. You obviously have little to offer post Brexit. | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
No Remoaner will answer you, they tend to follow the James O’Brien argument model - write a book about the merits of admitting you could be wrong, but then say it doesn’t apply to themselves lol.
It really doesn’t matter how many trade deals we sign, how much the economy grows, the Remoaners will be crying their salty tears for ever more saying how much better off we would be in Europe even as Brussels collapses in on itself dragged down by its own decadence and corruption.
When do you think Brussels ‘will collapse in on itself? Are you one of the leave voters who will only be happy if the EU fails ? I thought leaving the EU was about getting better trade deals with the rest of the world rather than keeping the ones we had ??
I specifically said Brussels, I hope all the EU countries under the despotic yoke can free themselves and ultimately work together in a free trade area without having 4% of their budget contributions lost to fraud every year.
The fraud you mention is around £5-6 Billion then. If that’s correct.
The U.K. government loses £40billion a year to fraud according to the governments own published figures.
The money looks to be in safer hands than our own shit show!!
Maybe try reading that back to yourself. Does that make any logical sense? Or have you accidentally on purpose muddled up two completely different figures?
Most Remoaners in this thread have conceded at last that Brussels is a cesspit of corruption and waste.
I haven't seen any "remoaners" posting.
Just people who understand what's going on and who don't want to put up with the utter cluster fuck that we said it would be.
May need some explanation to your random statement that's seems to say very little other than, you seem to know you what will happen, you have a better knowledge and understanding of all that in volved than those in policy and negotiation and obviously unaware of many of the things remainers said would happen that never came about.
So may I as if you could list in your knowledge
1. What is it that is going on as you say, presumably doom and gloom.
2. You're not putting up with IT. What is this it and what are you doing that means IT is not effect you?
3. Lastly can you explain what is THIS cluster fuck and what makes it a cluster fuck that you're talking about?
Sure.
1. Brexit.
2. Brexit. It effects all of us, not just those who voted for it.
3. The last four years we've had this brexit thing going on. It's an utter clusterfuck from day one. Exactly as "project fear" said it would be.
Hope this helps.
So you still haven't explain how except in utter vague terms like some news of the world headline.
Unconvincing arguments as it's just opinions that you're saying with no details as per most response in here.
It's noteworthy that most Brexit posts are by those who aren't happy and continue to try to get more on board in their unhappy boat.
If the vote had gone the other way then it would also effect all of us and not just those who voted against it. Much like saying the pope is Catholic. Such a revelation.
The last 4 years have been primarily the EU trying with all its powers to prevent it and cause as difficult a transition as possible, with the single goal of scaring anyone else who may wish to do so, like they did with Greece and succeeded. Unlike Greece we aren't being bl*CK m*Iles into staying.
You avoided the most important question and that was what are you doing to avoid it. You seemed so confident and assertive in your statement of not putting up with it. But all I hear is moaning, not anything constructive that demonstrates you're not putting up with it?
I'm asking because that would help your cause knowing there is something positive that can be done. Offer something as you say your doing it. If there isn't what do you gain from your rhetoric?
That's a lot of waffle, most of which you've made up/read in the Daily Mail.
I don't know what you want me to say. Have a look into brexit. If we would have stayed, then the benefits would have been for all of us. As people voted leave, all the shit that comes with that effects all of us.
The summary of the situation is the same as it was four years ago.
Damaging to the economy.
Businesses relocating to the EU.
Losing our right to live and travel in EU countries.
Losing protections over workers rights, environmental protection, safety standards.
Being stuck in a quagmire of bullshit to deal with trying to fight for scraps of trade deals.
Has no tangible benefits.
As fun as these threads are watching brexiteers desperately clinging to the most vague straws they can. I'm starting to get bored, so I'll leave you guys to it.
When you listen to James O’Brien in the morning, do me a quick favour and add up the number of times he makes a single positive suggestion. We both know it will be zero.
It is not the critic who counts, it is the man in the arena. "Who is James O'Brien? | |||
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"No one has mentioned the free trade deal with Singapore yesterday and looks like Vietnam next. I thought we were told countries wouldnt want to trade with us outside the eu.
Wow, that is amazing news, they must be huge deals
That’s Singapore as in the country with the second highest GDP per capita in the world, and the worlds busiest cargo seaport? That Singapore yes?
Are you gonna say this about every country we sign a deal with?
Brilliant deal - Singapore has the same population as Scotland and is about the same size as the Isle of Wight! & we know how much BJ cares about both! Who is going to replace the business we do with the EU?
It certainly isn’t Singapore...
Just the Singapore deal is worth 17.6 billion. (The Isle of Wight’s main export is £84,000 of garlic).
A billion here, a billion there, and you are quickly starting to talk about real money.
Must really be hurting the heads of Remoaners to have to pretend to have a little englander mentality to support their arguments.
It is good news, we need all the trade deals we can get , are these deals better than the one we already had ?
Well the EU Singapore deal negotiations started in 2009 and took 10 years, and the EU USA negotiations started in 1990 and are nowhere near a conclusion.
So we are doing rather better already eh
Are people just ignoring what I posted?
The UK has now secured trade deals with 57 countries that account for £193bn of UK bilateral trade.
No Remoaner will answer you, they tend to follow the James O’Brien argument model - write a book about the merits of admitting you could be wrong, but then say it doesn’t apply to themselves lol.
It really doesn’t matter how many trade deals we sign, how much the economy grows, the Remoaners will be crying their salty tears for ever more saying how much better off we would be in Europe even as Brussels collapses in on itself dragged down by its own decadence and corruption.
When do you think Brussels ‘will collapse in on itself? Are you one of the leave voters who will only be happy if the EU fails ? I thought leaving the EU was about getting better trade deals with the rest of the world rather than keeping the ones we had ??
I specifically said Brussels, I hope all the EU countries under the despotic yoke can free themselves and ultimately work together in a free trade area without having 4% of their budget contributions lost to fraud every year.
The fraud you mention is around £5-6 Billion then. If that’s correct.
The U.K. government loses £40billion a year to fraud according to the governments own published figures.
The money looks to be in safer hands than our own shit show!!
Maybe try reading that back to yourself. Does that make any logical sense? Or have you accidentally on purpose muddled up two completely different figures?
Most Remoaners in this thread have conceded at last that Brussels is a cesspit of corruption and waste.
I haven't seen any "remoaners" posting.
Just people who understand what's going on and who don't want to put up with the utter cluster fuck that we said it would be.
May need some explanation to your random statement that's seems to say very little other than, you seem to know you what will happen, you have a better knowledge and understanding of all that in volved than those in policy and negotiation and obviously unaware of many of the things remainers said would happen that never came about.
So may I as if you could list in your knowledge
1. What is it that is going on as you say, presumably doom and gloom.
2. You're not putting up with IT. What is this it and what are you doing that means IT is not effect you?
3. Lastly can you explain what is THIS cluster fuck and what makes it a cluster fuck that you're talking about?
Sure.
1. Brexit.
2. Brexit. It effects all of us, not just those who voted for it.
3. The last four years we've had this brexit thing going on. It's an utter clusterfuck from day one. Exactly as "project fear" said it would be.
Hope this helps.
So you still haven't explain how except in utter vague terms like some news of the world headline.
Unconvincing arguments as it's just opinions that you're saying with no details as per most response in here.
It's noteworthy that most Brexit posts are by those who aren't happy and continue to try to get more on board in their unhappy boat.
If the vote had gone the other way then it would also effect all of us and not just those who voted against it. Much like saying the pope is Catholic. Such a revelation.
The last 4 years have been primarily the EU trying with all its powers to prevent it and cause as difficult a transition as possible, with the single goal of scaring anyone else who may wish to do so, like they did with Greece and succeeded. Unlike Greece we aren't being bl*CK m*Iles into staying.
You avoided the most important question and that was what are you doing to avoid it. You seemed so confident and assertive in your statement of not putting up with it. But all I hear is moaning, not anything constructive that demonstrates you're not putting up with it?
I'm asking because that would help your cause knowing there is something positive that can be done. Offer something as you say your doing it. If there isn't what do you gain from your rhetoric?
That's a lot of waffle, most of which you've made up/read in the Daily Mail.
I don't know what you want me to say. Have a look into brexit. If we would have stayed, then the benefits would have been for all of us. As people voted leave, all the shit that comes with that effects all of us.
The summary of the situation is the same as it was four years ago.
Damaging to the economy.
Businesses relocating to the EU.
Losing our right to live and travel in EU countries.
Losing protections over workers rights, environmental protection, safety standards.
Being stuck in a quagmire of bullshit to deal with trying to fight for scraps of trade deals.
Has no tangible benefits.
As fun as these threads are watching brexiteers desperately clinging to the most vague straws they can. I'm starting to get bored, so I'll leave you guys to it.
When you listen to James O’Brien in the morning, do me a quick favour and add up the number of times he makes a single positive suggestion. We both know it will be zero.
It is not the critic who counts, it is the man in the arena.
Who is James O'Brien?"Indeed, I often wonder that myself. | |||
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