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Why was the Berlin Wall built?

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

There seems to have been some confusion on a previous thread about why the Berlin Wall was built. Someone mentioned the cold War and Russian paranoia but in truth it was built to stop people fleeing from socialism wasn't it?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"There seems to have been some confusion on a previous thread about why the Berlin Wall was built. Someone mentioned the cold War and Russian paranoia but in truth it was built to stop people fleeing from socialism wasn't it? "

Considering it was built in 1945 I'd say it had a lot to do with the cold war.

Berlin was a divided city and it was built to stop people escaping to the west.

If it was to do with socislism why has that orange fuckwit just built a big fuck off one in Mexico,?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Considering it was built in 1945 I'd say it had a lot to do with the cold war.

Berlin was a divided city and it was built to stop people escaping to the west.

If it was to do with socislism why has that orange fuckwit just built a big fuck off one in Mexico,?"

It was built 13th August 1961

I don't know what Trump has to do with it but did he want one built to keep people in?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It was built in the early 60’s to stop people escaping from Communism which isn’t the same as Socialism by any means.

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By *ohnny2006Man over a year ago

worcester

Yep in capitalist countries we build walls to keep people out who desperately want to come here. In socialist countries like North Korea they build walls to stop there own people escaping the misery that socialism creates.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Considering it was built in 1945 I'd say it had a lot to do with the cold war.

Berlin was a divided city and it was built to stop people escaping to the west.

If it was to do with socislism why has that orange fuckwit just built a big fuck off one in Mexico,?

It was built 13th August 1961

I don't know what Trump has to do with it but did he want one built to keep people in? "

Didnt realise it was built that late

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

What misery like the NHS and free education?

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By *ittleAcornMan over a year ago

visiting the beach

I would suggest that the UK, even under this current government, is more truly socialist than either the USSR or North Korea.

Both of them are/were extremely authoritarian regimes, loosely allied to a communist ideal, but in reality more about keeping the ruling class in place.

I don't think anyone being genuine can use either as an example of Socialism.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They have a wall in York, it is very nice, you can walk along it.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"They have a wall in York, it is very nice, you can walk along it."

It is a very nice walk, and considerably shorter in length than the Chinese one

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They have a wall in York, it is very nice, you can walk along it.

It is a very nice walk, and considerably shorter in length than the Chinese one

Yeah, the wall in Dubrovnik is amazing as well, I think walls are being unfairly treated on here

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By *andy 1Couple over a year ago

northeast

Hadrian built 1 wish Nickola would

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Hadrian built 1 wish Nickola would"
yeah to keep the English out

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

I have a few walls on my land, if anyone fancies walking along them let me know

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"They have a wall in York, it is very nice, you can walk along it.

It is a very nice walk, and considerably shorter in length than the Chinese one

Yeah, the wall in Dubrovnik is amazing as well, I think walls are being unfairly treated on here

I agree..

Although the Israeli one is not nice..

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

Considering it was built in 1945 I'd say it had a lot to do with the cold war.

Berlin was a divided city and it was built to stop people escaping to the west.

If it was to do with socislism why has that orange fuckwit just built a big fuck off one in Mexico,?"
you do know you can build walls for different reasons dont you? mine defines my garden.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

Dry stone walling is fascinating to watch ...

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"Dry stone walling is fascinating to watch ..."
more interesting to watch than the scottish rfc last week .

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"Dry stone walling is fascinating to watch ...more interesting to watch than the scottish rfc last week .

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

Have a look at the difference between Socialism and Communism. NK is not socialist, it isn’t even Communist, it is a Dictatorship - more along the lines Trump wanted to create...

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"Dry stone walling is fascinating to watch ...more interesting to watch than the scottish rfc last week .

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sorry mate couldnt resist after your england jibe.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"Dry stone walling is fascinating to watch ...more interesting to watch than the scottish rfc last week .

sorry mate couldnt resist after your england jibe.

Nicely done

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

Pink Floyd had a Wall

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

To say that the Soviet Union was not socialist is nonsense. People were all for it in the 30's, even western academics praised it... Until it all started to go wrong, as socialism always does, then people try to reclassify it and say well it wasn't real socialism, blah blah blah. Will advocates of socialism ever learn and admit they are wrong and that it will never work?

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"To say that the Soviet Union was not socialist is nonsense. People were all for it in the 30's, even western academics praised it... Until it all started to go wrong, as socialism always does, then people try to reclassify it and say well it wasn't real socialism, blah blah blah. Will advocates of socialism ever learn and admit they are wrong and that it will never work? "

Yep. Everyone knows what happens when the right goes too far. They should also understand what happens when the left goes too far

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By *ichiebigMan over a year ago

nenagh

Orwell,a "animal farm" is the greatest narrative of how socialism Will always go wrong, socialism/communism is the perfect breading ground for dictators and also that horrible species the "petty bureaucrats "

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

We have an out and out capitalist system..we have widespread corruption, a mistrust of the political system,massive inequalities between rich and poor,a divided population, a stagnant economy, an NHS at breaking point,services cut to the bone and one of the biggest populations in europe.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all"

What should we do about them?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Orwell,a "animal farm" is the greatest narrative of how socialism Will always go wrong, socialism/communism is the perfect breading ground for dictators and also that horrible species the "petty bureaucrats ""

I watched a film called animal farm, I don’t remember it being about socialism .

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them? "

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

Social welfare and capitalism you mean just like the UK , they are free market economies the same as the UK, only difference being their work ethic and the unions working closely with businesses rather than against them which happens a lot or used to happen a lot in the UK. Any social benefits come from the capitalist success of their businesses

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start"

Interesting, so it is mainly the immigrants that are doing ‘fuck all’? Are the rest of those awful scrounges just to lazy to work?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

You can tell a lot about a person by the type of vocabulary they use..ie snowflake,woke

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You can tell a lot about a person by the type of vocabulary they use..ie snowflake,woke"

Using the term woke as an insult is baffling and highlights the fact that they don’t understand what it means

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"You can tell a lot about a person by the type of vocabulary they use..ie snowflake,woke

Using the term woke as an insult is baffling and highlights the fact that they don’t understand what it means

See also do gooder

Someone who actually wants to help people is a negative concept in this country."

I know, those bloody do gooders going around doing good, bastards

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start"

But you’re being a ‘snowflake ‘ by not saying what you want because your scared of upsetting snowflakes

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start"

It's such a bonus for those at the top of the food chain that so many people can easily be convinced the problem is foreigners and not the ultra rich.

People who will lap up the idea that it's Mohammed who works in the local newsagents who's the reason their life sucks, and definitely not the billionaires who own the media and enforce a system where people get paid less than they deserve in order to make the billionaires even richer.

And doubtless some people will reply to this post defending billionaires. It's sad how much conservatives love to kowtow to money and power.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start

It's such a bonus for those at the top of the food chain that so many people can easily be convinced the problem is foreigners and not the ultra rich.

And doubtless some people will reply to this post defending billionaires. It's sad how much conservatives love to kowtow to money and power. "

The power of the media is massively underrated in this country.

But when they churn out propaganda day after day year after year about immigrants,benefit cheats,no money tree etc etc it eventually sticks.

That is fully evidenced on here.

I've actually heard normal people on here argue that it's perfectly acceptable for the very wealthy to pay as little tax as possible.

That's how far down the rabbit hole we are.

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start

But you’re being a ‘snowflake ‘ by not saying what you want because your scared of upsetting snowflakes

not scared of anything

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start

But you’re being a ‘snowflake ‘ by not saying what you want because your scared of upsetting snowflakes

not scared of anything"

Then speak,

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

"You can tell a lot about a person by the type of vocabulary they use..ie snowflake,woke"

there are a lot of people on here that can tell a lot about you by the type of vocabulary you use

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You can tell a lot about a person by the type of vocabulary they use..ie snowflake,woke

there are a lot of people on here that can tell a lot about you by the type of vocabulary you use"

What does ‘woke’ mean?

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start

But you’re being a ‘snowflake ‘ by not saying what you want because your scared of upsetting snowflakes

not scared of anything

Then speak,

if convicted of a crime - death sentence, if you have come from abroad and committed a crime - sent back.

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

"You can tell a lot about a person by the type of vocabulary they use..ie snowflake,woke

there are a lot of people on here that can tell a lot about you by the type of vocabulary you use

What does ‘woke’ mean? "

no idea, I never used the term.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start

But you’re being a ‘snowflake ‘ by not saying what you want because your scared of upsetting snowflakes

not scared of anything

Then speak,

if convicted of a crime - death sentence, if you have come from abroad and committed a crime - sent back."

Any crime? What has that got to do with people doing ‘fuck all’

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You can tell a lot about a person by the type of vocabulary they use..ie snowflake,woke

there are a lot of people on here that can tell a lot about you by the type of vocabulary you use

What does ‘woke’ mean?

no idea, I never used the term."

Fair enough,

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start

But you’re being a ‘snowflake ‘ by not saying what you want because your scared of upsetting snowflakes

not scared of anything

Then speak,

if convicted of a crime - death sentence, if you have come from abroad and committed a crime - sent back.

Any crime? What has that got to do with people doing ‘fuck all’ "

He was in favour of innocent people being executed yesterday.

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start

But you’re being a ‘snowflake ‘ by not saying what you want because your scared of upsetting snowflakes

not scared of anything

Then speak,

if convicted of a crime - death sentence, if you have come from abroad and committed a crime - sent back.

Any crime? What has that got to do with people doing ‘fuck all’ "

yes, any crime, people who do 'f**k all are more likely to commit crime

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start

But you’re being a ‘snowflake ‘ by not saying what you want because your scared of upsetting snowflakes

not scared of anything

Then speak,

if convicted of a crime - death sentence, if you have come from abroad and committed a crime - sent back.

Any crime? What has that got to do with people doing ‘fuck all’

He was in favour of innocent people being executed yesterday."

that's not what I said and you know it

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Some enlightened views on here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start

But you’re being a ‘snowflake ‘ by not saying what you want because your scared of upsetting snowflakes

not scared of anything

Then speak,

if convicted of a crime - death sentence, if you have come from abroad and committed a crime - sent back.

Any crime? What has that got to do with people doing ‘fuck all’

yes, any crime, people who do 'f**k all are more likely to commit crime"

Harsh, so theft, execution? Drink driving , execution? Why are people who do ‘fuck all’ more likely to commit crime? Maybe instead of speeding cameras they should just have a machine gun fitted, shoot them dead when they go over the limit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some enlightened views on here

. "

I like his honesty, death for all crimes, Pritti Patel

will love it

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start

But you’re being a ‘snowflake ‘ by not saying what you want because your scared of upsetting snowflakes

not scared of anything

Then speak,

if convicted of a crime - death sentence, if you have come from abroad and committed a crime - sent back.

Any crime? What has that got to do with people doing ‘fuck all’

yes, any crime, people who do 'f**k all are more likely to commit crime

what an excellent idea

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start

But you’re being a ‘snowflake ‘ by not saying what you want because your scared of upsetting snowflakes

not scared of anything

Then speak,

if convicted of a crime - death sentence, if you have come from abroad and committed a crime - sent back.

Any crime? What has that got to do with people doing ‘fuck all’

yes, any crime, people who do 'f**k all are more likely to commit crime

what an excellent idea

And what about people who break COVID laws? Instant death?

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start

But you’re being a ‘snowflake ‘ by not saying what you want because your scared of upsetting snowflakes

not scared of anything

Then speak,

if convicted of a crime - death sentence, if you have come from abroad and committed a crime - sent back.

Any crime? What has that got to do with people doing ‘fuck all’

yes, any crime, people who do 'f**k all are more likely to commit crime

what an excellent idea

And what about people who break COVID laws? Instant death? "

named and shamed first

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start

But you’re being a ‘snowflake ‘ by not saying what you want because your scared of upsetting snowflakes

not scared of anything

Then speak,

if convicted of a crime - death sentence, if you have come from abroad and committed a crime - sent back.

Any crime? What has that got to do with people doing ‘fuck all’

yes, any crime, people who do 'f**k all are more likely to commit crime

what an excellent idea

And what about people who break COVID laws? Instant death?

named and shamed first

Why? Just get them executed? We won’t need any prisons anymore, that will be thousands without a job, maybe they can be re trained to carry out the executions?

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start

But you’re being a ‘snowflake ‘ by not saying what you want because your scared of upsetting snowflakes

not scared of anything

Then speak,

if convicted of a crime - death sentence, if you have come from abroad and committed a crime - sent back.

Any crime? What has that got to do with people doing ‘fuck all’

yes, any crime, people who do 'f**k all are more likely to commit crime

what an excellent idea

And what about people who break COVID laws? Instant death?

named and shamed first

Why? Just get them executed? We won’t need any prisons anymore, that will be thousands without a job, maybe they can be re trained to carry out the executions? "

again, another excellent idea

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start

But you’re being a ‘snowflake ‘ by not saying what you want because your scared of upsetting snowflakes

not scared of anything

Then speak,

if convicted of a crime - death sentence, if you have come from abroad and committed a crime - sent back.

Any crime? What has that got to do with people doing ‘fuck all’

yes, any crime, people who do 'f**k all are more likely to commit crime

what an excellent idea

And what about people who break COVID laws? Instant death?

named and shamed first

Why? Just get them executed? We won’t need any prisons anymore, that will be thousands without a job, maybe they can be re trained to carry out the executions?

again, another excellent idea

Thanks, I think you are into something here, how about we execute the unemployed as well?

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

"Many of the nordic countries such as Sweden, Norway etc have a mix of socialism and capitalism.

They have free education,free healthcare,excellent welfare systems etc.They are widely regarded as progressive societies and seen as one of the best places to live in the world.

So yeah.. socislism is a total failure

and there is the problem, too many people in this country, a lot of them doing f**k all

What should we do about them?

difficult to do anything as the snowflakes will get upset but not letting anyone else in would be a good start

But you’re being a ‘snowflake ‘ by not saying what you want because your scared of upsetting snowflakes

not scared of anything

Then speak,

if convicted of a crime - death sentence, if you have come from abroad and committed a crime - sent back.

Any crime? What has that got to do with people doing ‘fuck all’

yes, any crime, people who do 'f**k all are more likely to commit crime

what an excellent idea

And what about people who break COVID laws? Instant death?

named and shamed first

Why? Just get them executed? We won’t need any prisons anymore, that will be thousands without a job, maybe they can be re trained to carry out the executions?

again, another excellent idea

Thanks, I think you are into something here, how about we execute the unemployed as well? "

you need to calm down with all these good ideas before you blow a fuse!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

'Woke' - racist, bigoted, uneducated, ignorant and hypocritical.

That just about sums it up

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

"Dry stone walling is fascinating to watch ..."

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

"'Woke' - racist, bigoted, uneducated, ignorant and hypocritical.

That just about sums it up

thanks for that meaning, still not sure how it came up in this thread, I mean who mentioned it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Woke (/'wo?k/ WOHK) is a political term originating in the United States referring to a perceived awareness of issues concerning social justice and racial justice. It derives from the African-American Vernacular English expression "stay woke", whose grammatical aspect refers to a continuing awareness of these issues.

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

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"Woke (/'wo?k/ WOHK) is a political term originating in the United States referring to a perceived awareness of issues concerning social justice and racial justice. It derives from the African-American Vernacular English expression "stay woke", whose grammatical aspect refers to a continuing awareness of these issues.

I had never heard of the term until a few minutes ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I had never heard of the term until a few minutes ago

Every day is a school day

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

I had never heard of the term until a few minutes ago

Every day is a school day "

certainly is on here

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I had never heard of the term until a few minutes ago

Every day is a school day

certainly is on here

There ya go mate you got 2 definitions. One the reality and one some vague twaddle. I expect you will find out which is which soon enough

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By *o Trash in My TrailerMan over a year ago

Daytona Beach

It was even though some dumb people thought it was built in 1945 it was actually 1949 its so funny some foolish people think they can lie to try to deceive.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

It was even though some dumb people thought it was built in 1945 it was actually 1949 its so funny some foolish people think they can lie to try to deceive. "

Construction of the Berlin Wall started on 13th August 1961.

Were you not paying attention in that particular history lesson at school?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *o Trash in My TrailerMan over a year ago

Daytona Beach

It was even though some dumb people thought it was built in 1945 it was actually 1949 its so funny some foolish people think they can lie to try to deceive.

Construction of the Berlin Wall started on 13th August 1961.

Were you not paying attention in that particular history lesson at school? "

Was it WRONG! Started 1949 for gods sake go google you are looknig a total fool

West Berlin was a gateway to the democratic West. Between 1949 and COMPLETED 1961.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I thought it was built before the 60s.

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By *o Trash in My TrailerMan over a year ago

Daytona Beach

"I thought it was built before the 60s."

You thought it was 1945! You do a lot of "thinking" though it looks like thinking what to make you to support a lie.

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

I had never heard of the term until a few minutes ago

Every day is a school day

certainly is on here

There ya go mate you got 2 definitions. One the reality and one some vague twaddle. I expect you will find out which is which soon enough

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I had never heard of the term until a few minutes ago

It's the latest word that the alt right use to describe anyone who stands up to their racism.

It replaced "snowflake" and "virtue signaller", in their lexicon.

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

I had never heard of the term until a few minutes ago

It's the latest word that the alt right use to describe anyone who stands up to their racism.

It replaced "snowflake" and "virtue signaller", in their lexicon."

what word do the left use to describe anyone who stands up to their racism?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I had never heard of the term until a few minutes ago

It's the latest word that the alt right use to describe anyone who stands up to their racism.

It replaced "snowflake" and "virtue signaller", in their lexicon.

what word do the left use to describe anyone who stands up to their racism?"

I don't know. I'm not on the left.

Personally I just consider it normal to stand up to racists and racism.

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

I had never heard of the term until a few minutes ago

It's the latest word that the alt right use to describe anyone who stands up to their racism.

It replaced "snowflake" and "virtue signaller", in their lexicon.

what word do the left use to describe anyone who stands up to their racism?

I don't know. I'm not on the left.

Personally I just consider it normal to stand up to racists and racism."

so seeing as you know what word the right use that means you must be on the right?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I had never heard of the term until a few minutes ago

It's the latest word that the alt right use to describe anyone who stands up to their racism.

It replaced "snowflake" and "virtue signaller", in their lexicon.

what word do the left use to describe anyone who stands up to their racism?

I don't know. I'm not on the left.

Personally I just consider it normal to stand up to racists and racism.

so seeing as you know what word the right use that means you must be on the right?"

Do you need to be on the right to know what words the alt right use?

I'm simply aware, as I often speak out against racism if I see it happening out and about. So am familiar with the insults that get thrown at you when you do so.

I wouldn't consider myself on the right either though.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

A far right group visited liverpool a couple of years ago and were chased out of the the city by various left wing anti fascist groups (I dont recall see the young conservatives there)

Yet according to some on here the left are full of racists.

Its almost like they are talking shite.

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By *o Trash in My TrailerMan over a year ago

Daytona Beach

"A far right group visited liverpool a couple of years ago and were chased out of the the city by various left wing anti fascist groups (I dont recall see the young conservatives there)

Yet according to some on here the left are full of racists.

Its almost like they are talking shite."

Its the liars that are talking shit linus them that make stuff up they do it regularly linus.

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

I had never heard of the term until a few minutes ago

It's the latest word that the alt right use to describe anyone who stands up to their racism.

It replaced "snowflake" and "virtue signaller", in their lexicon.

what word do the left use to describe anyone who stands up to their racism?

I don't know. I'm not on the left.

Personally I just consider it normal to stand up to racists and racism.

so seeing as you know what word the right use that means you must be on the right?

Do you need to be on the right to know what words the alt right use?

no you don't, it's just that you knew words and phrases that the right allegedly use but none that the left use

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By *o Trash in My TrailerMan over a year ago

Daytona Beach

I had never heard of the term until a few minutes ago

It's the latest word that the alt right use to describe anyone who stands up to their racism.

It replaced "snowflake" and "virtue signaller", in their lexicon.

what word do the left use to describe anyone who stands up to their racism?

I don't know. I'm not on the left.

Personally I just consider it normal to stand up to racists and racism.

so seeing as you know what word the right use that means you must be on the right?

Do you need to be on the right to know what words the alt right use?

no you don't, it's just that you knew words and phrases that the right allegedly use but none that the left use

Careful they will work out you are not really new just back on a "clean" profile!

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Similarly when the Spanish civil war was on it was the left unions who sent people to fight Franco whilst the gmnt sat and watched.

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By *yphodMan over a year ago

London

Actually communism in it's purest form as layed out by Karl Marx, is actually based on local co-ops, i.e. local democracy.

These in turn vote for the counties government, who are supposed to control output, dependent on the counties needs.

Unfortunately the one thing he forgot was people's greed and lust for power and the corruption power breeds.

Socialism has gotten a bad name due to propaganda that it is the same as communism. Socialism allows for private enterprise and profit making but slows the flow of money to the top.

Again greed/power corrupts.

Absolute capitalism really is survival of the fittest, and there is no benefit for those at the bottom of society, i.e. the disabled, the un-educated, etc.

So with pure communism/socialism there is little insensitive to succeed and leads to a society that is equal at the lowest common denominator.

With pure capitalism only the ruthless or the exceptional succeed. This leads to the haves and the have nots.

The Scandinavian countries have managed to find a good middle ground, but maybe it only works if you have a relatively small country.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Actually communism in it's purest form as layed out by Karl Marx, is actually based on local co-ops, i.e. local democracy.

These in turn vote for the counties government, who are supposed to control output, dependent on the counties needs.

Unfortunately the one thing he forgot was people's greed and lust for power and the corruption power breeds.

Socialism has gotten a bad name due to propaganda that it is the same as communism. Socialism allows for private enterprise and profit making but slows the flow of money to the top.

Again greed/power corrupts.

Absolute capitalism really is survival of the fittest, and there is no benefit for those at the bottom of society, i.e. the disabled, the un-educated, etc.

So with pure communism/socialism there is little insensitive to succeed and leads to a society that is equal at the lowest common denominator.

With pure capitalism only the ruthless or the exceptional succeed. This leads to the haves and the have nots.

The Scandinavian countries have managed to find a good middle ground, but maybe it only works if you have a relatively small country."

It's getting that balance right.The nordic countries have an excellent welfare system, whilst people here are quite happy to see school kids go hungry.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I had never heard of the term until a few minutes ago

It's the latest word that the alt right use to describe anyone who stands up to their racism.

It replaced "snowflake" and "virtue signaller", in their lexicon.

what word do the left use to describe anyone who stands up to their racism?

I don't know. I'm not on the left.

Personally I just consider it normal to stand up to racists and racism.

so seeing as you know what word the right use that means you must be on the right?

Do you need to be on the right to know what words the alt right use?

no you don't, it's just that you knew words and phrases that the right allegedly use but none that the left use

Fair enough.

Considering myself neither left nor right. I have no opinion on your assumption of my political leaning.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Did we find out when they finished building the Berlin Wall

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

thread will have been closed before we do!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"thread will have been closed before we do!"

It looks like it was August 13th 1961, but that was just barbwire

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

wonder if they had many issues getting it through planning?

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By *andy 1Couple over a year ago

northeast

"Dry stone walling is fascinating to watch ...more interesting to watch than the scottish rfc last week .

sorry mate couldnt resist after your england jibe.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"thread will have been closed before we do!

It looks like it was August 13th 1961, but that was just barbwire "

The first part of the physical wall was started 2 days later.

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By *ugget O CassMan over a year ago

Salt lake

The wall was never completed much was wire some concrete the barrier started in 1949 part of the wall was old building walls so pre 45 even so you little kids arguing over dates know now and can all put your dummies back in. Its nor really funny its an area for sadness people actually died be it wall or wire.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The wall was never completed much was wire some concrete the barrier started in 1949 part of the wall was old building walls so pre 45 even so you little kids arguing over dates know now and can all put your dummies back in. Its nor really funny its an area for sadness people actually died be it wall or wire. "

What’s up Nugget?

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By *ugget O CassMan over a year ago

Salt lake

What’s up Nugget? "

Ask your uncle Arthur Pike.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What’s up Nugget?

Ask your uncle Arthur Pike. "

Haha, that is a good one, it was funnier the first time though

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

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By *ugget O CassMan over a year ago

Salt lake

What’s up Nugget?

Ask your uncle Arthur Pike.

Haha, that is a good one, it was funnier the first time though

Its the first time I have said "ask your uncle Arthur"......Pike.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What’s up Nugget?

Ask your uncle Arthur Pike.

Haha, that is a good one, it was funnier the first time though

Its the first time I have said "ask your uncle Arthur"......Pike. "

Yeah, it was very funny, thanks for explaining though,

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By *ugget O CassMan over a year ago

Salt lake

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post."

You dont say Godfrey

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post."

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post."

harsh

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post.

harsh"

Constructive criticism.

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By *ugget O CassMan over a year ago

Salt lake

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post.

harsh"

Not really its a good job the spelling police aren’t about though as some dont know the difference between receiving and “recieving".

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post.

harsh

Constructive criticism.

he may be dyslexic

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post.

harsh

Not really its a good job the spelling police aren’t about though as some dont know the difference between receiving and “recieving".

well spotted!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post.

harsh

Constructive criticism.

he may be dyslexic "

Dyslexia effects the way your brain puts together letters. Making reading and spelling difficult. It doesn't impact a person's ability to use punctuation.

Also, I didn't say anything other than "Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post.". Which is hardly scathing criticism, and doesn't mention spelling.

You just wanted to make an issue out of it for some reason. I dunno why.

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By *ugget O CassMan over a year ago

Salt lake

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post.

harsh

Not really its a good job the spelling police aren’t about though as some dont know the difference between receiving and “recieving".

well spotted!!

I just love the irony

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post.

harsh

Not really its a good job the spelling police aren’t about though as some dont know the difference between receiving and “recieving".

well spotted!!

I just love the irony"

do you think he has realised yet?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post.

harsh

Not really its a good job the spelling police aren’t about though as some dont know the difference between receiving and “recieving".

well spotted!!

I just love the irony

do you think he has realised yet?

So you're having a go at me for pointing out a lack of punctuation in a post. Claiming he may have dyslexia. Meanwhile making fun of a spelling mistake on my profile?

Good hustle.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

Anyone mentioned the Chester city walls?

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"Anyone mentioned the Chester city walls?

"
Nope no ones mentioned the sausages either.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post.

harsh

Not really its a good job the spelling police aren’t about though as some dont know the difference between receiving and “recieving".

"
does it really fucking matter only a wanker gives a fuck

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By *ugget O CassMan over a year ago

Salt lake

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post.

harsh

Not really its a good job the spelling police aren’t about though as some dont know the difference between receiving and “recieving".

does it really fucking matter only a wanker gives a fuck "

And punctuation does? Wow you are all high and mighty! But then you didn't read the thread did you just boots in. Funny but not funny.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post.

harsh

Not really its a good job the spelling police aren’t about though as some dont know the difference between receiving and “recieving".

does it really fucking matter only a wanker gives a fuck

And punctuation does? Wow you are all high and mighty! But then you didn't read the thread did you just boots in. Funny but not funny. "

You and the other chap got offended that I pointed out the difficulty in reading a message with no punctuation. Then proceeded to have a go a me for misspelling a word.

All you seemed to have done so far is insult people. Pointless.

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By *ugget O CassMan over a year ago

Salt lake

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post.

harsh

Not really its a good job the spelling police aren’t about though as some dont know the difference between receiving and “recieving".

well spotted!!

I just love the irony

do you think he has realised yet?

So you're having a go at me for pointing out a lack of punctuation in a post. Claiming he may have dyslexia. Meanwhile making fun of a spelling mistake on my profile?

Good hustle."

Not really just the irony of it all made me laugh I will avidly watch all the posts without punctuation so that you can address the offenders as you will surely point it out to them won't you.

Ops the green tick says you missed 3 you best go show them the error of their ways.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post.

harsh

Not really its a good job the spelling police aren’t about though as some dont know the difference between receiving and “recieving".

does it really fucking matter only a wanker gives a fuck

And punctuation does? Wow you are all high and mighty! But then you didn't read the thread did you just boots in. Funny but not funny.

You and the other chap got offended that I pointed out the difficulty in reading a message with no punctuation. Then proceeded to have a go a me for misspelling a word.

All you seemed to have done so far is insult people. Pointless."
I bet you must have trouble with the kids text speech if you cant work out what someone is saying because of a few missing comma,s or a misplaced i and e

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By *andlingswingersCouple over a year ago

Woodbridge

"the misery that socialism creates."

Like, for example, a cradle to the grave health service that is free at the point of use. What total and utter bastards, keeping people well and healthy as long as possible without demanding cash up front for it.

That and setting-up free state schools, health and safety measures at work, paid holidays, dentistry, building roads you don't have to pay to use, the evil of socialism just goes on and on, doesn't it?

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

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By *ugget O CassMan over a year ago

Salt lake

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post.

harsh

Not really its a good job the spelling police aren’t about though as some dont know the difference between receiving and “recieving".

does it really fucking matter only a wanker gives a fuck

And punctuation does? Wow you are all high and mighty! But then you didn't read the thread did you just boots in. Funny but not funny.

You and the other chap got offended that I pointed out the difficulty in reading a message with no punctuation. Then proceeded to have a go a me for misspelling a word.

All you seemed to have done so far is insult people. Pointless."

Oh the irony so two faced its unbelievable it really is.

Oh and you missed another one without punctuation you really are letting the team down.

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By *o Trash in My TrailerMan over a year ago

Daytona Beach

Without punctuation there are multiple ways to interpret this post.

harsh

Not really its a good job the spelling police aren’t about though as some dont know the difference between receiving and “recieving".

does it really fucking matter only a wanker gives a fuck

And punctuation does? Wow you are all high and mighty! But then you didn't read the thread did you just boots in. Funny but not funny.

You and the other chap got offended that I pointed out the difficulty in reading a message with no punctuation. Then proceeded to have a go a me for misspelling a word.

All you seemed to have done so far is insult people. Pointless.I bet you must have trouble with the kids text speech if you cant work out what someone is saying because of a few missing comma,s or a misplaced i and e

Funny to read though one kid pulls the punctuation card then gets stiffed back for bad spelling. Just goes to show you don't throw stones at your neighbour if you live in a glasshouse.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"Anyone mentioned the Chester city walls?

Nope no ones mentioned the sausages either.

Lol

(Although i admit i did have to think about it)

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all...."

That's social welfare not socialism and it ain't free. It's paid for out of the money you earn and without capitalism you earn nowt so have no health service, education etc.

What was the wall built for then?

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By *o Trash in My TrailerMan over a year ago

Daytona Beach

What was the wall built for then? "

Apparently the truth is they had a lot of spare bricks and didn't know what to do with them.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all...."

It's pointless using actual facts.

They will just pluck any old nonsense out of their arse.

They are that twisted up they cant admit it was socislalism which created one of our most proud institutions.

Give it a few more years and boris will have flogged it off to one of his chums.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

That's social welfare not socialism and it ain't free. It's paid for out of the money you earn and without capitalism you earn nowt so have no health service, education etc.

What was the wall built for then? "

To keep the facists out (the official version), or to stop skilled labour migrating westwards. (the unofficial version).

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

That's social welfare not socialism and it ain't free. It's paid for out of the money you earn and without capitalism you earn nowt so have no health service, education etc.

What was the wall built for then?

To keep the facists out (the official version), or to stop skilled labour migrating westwards. (the unofficial version).

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

It's pointless using actual facts.

They will just pluck any old nonsense out of their arse.

They are that twisted up they cant admit it was socislalism which created one of our most proud institutions.

Give it a few more years and boris will have flogged it off to one of his chums."

I think you will find that it was WW2 and political consensus that created the NHS as people at the time realised and as usual Labour were promptly removed

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By *o Trash in My TrailerMan over a year ago

Daytona Beach

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

It's pointless using actual facts."

But you never do linus you make them up

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

It's pointless using actual facts.

They will just pluck any old nonsense out of their arse.

They are that twisted up they cant admit it was socislalism which created one of our most proud institutions.

Give it a few more years and boris will have flogged it off to one of his chums.

I think you will find that it was WW2 and political consensus that created the NHS as people at the time realised and as usual Labour were promptly removed "

Ah all those history books which was said that it was churchill and the tories who were booted out in 1945 were mistaken?

Gotcha.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

It's pointless using actual facts.

They will just pluck any old nonsense out of their arse.

They are that twisted up they cant admit it was socislalism which created one of our most proud institutions.

Give it a few more years and boris will have flogged it off to one of his chums.

I think you will find that it was WW2 and political consensus that created the NHS as people at the time realised and as usual Labour were promptly removed

Ah all those history books which was said that it was churchill and the tories who were booted out in 1945 were mistaken?

Gotcha."

Duh, the NHS was founded in 1948 and Labour were kicked out 2 years later. Why?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

It's pointless using actual facts.

They will just pluck any old nonsense out of their arse.

They are that twisted up they cant admit it was socislalism which created one of our most proud institutions.

Give it a few more years and boris will have flogged it off to one of his chums.

I think you will find that it was WW2 and political consensus that created the NHS as people at the time realised and as usual Labour were promptly removed

Ah all those history books which was said that it was churchill and the tories who were booted out in 1945 were mistaken?

Gotcha.

Duh, the NHS was founded in 1948 and Labour were kicked out 2 years later. Why? "

I know facts are not your strong point but the welfare state was created by a socialist gmnt.fact.

Churchill even opposed it at one point.fact.

I'm really not sure why you are trying to take credit for something which you and your party are bitterly opposed too?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anyone mentioned the Chester city walls?

Another nice wall,

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

It's pointless using actual facts.

They will just pluck any old nonsense out of their arse.

They are that twisted up they cant admit it was socislalism which created one of our most proud institutions.

Give it a few more years and boris will have flogged it off to one of his chums.

I think you will find that it was WW2 and political consensus that created the NHS as people at the time realised and as usual Labour were promptly removed

Ah all those history books which was said that it was churchill and the tories who were booted out in 1945 were mistaken?

Gotcha.

Duh, the NHS was founded in 1948 and Labour were kicked out 2 years later. Why?

I know facts are not your strong point but the welfare state was created by a socialist gmnt.fact.

Churchill even opposed it at one point.fact.

I'm really not sure why you are trying to take credit for something which you and your party are bitterly opposed too?"

Not trying to take the credit for anything and they are only my party because of the lack of a better alternative. And no, they are not opposed to it at all, been hearing that crap all my life and yet they've been in power for most of it. The welfare state/social welfare is not socialist/socialism it is a combination of all political thought and benefits all and came about through democracy. Why would a capitalist want an uneducated sick workforce?

Why would he want to pay for their education or medical bills when they can pay for it themselves through national insurance? Have you ever heard of Welfare Capitalism which was adopted by the Nordic countries you keep banging on about? And Churchill did not oppose a welfare state at all, he was all for national insurance and the protections it provided. He was against an NHS as proposed in the Beveridge report but then again so was most of the medical establishment but that's another discussion. The point is there was consensus for an NHS in Parliament and across the country. I'll say it again, social welfare is not socialism

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

It's pointless using actual facts.

They will just pluck any old nonsense out of their arse.

They are that twisted up they cant admit it was socislalism which created one of our most proud institutions.

Give it a few more years and boris will have flogged it off to one of his chums.

I think you will find that it was WW2 and political consensus that created the NHS as people at the time realised and as usual Labour were promptly removed

Ah all those history books which was said that it was churchill and the tories who were booted out in 1945 were mistaken?

Gotcha.

Duh, the NHS was founded in 1948 and Labour were kicked out 2 years later. Why? "

Labour actually won the 1950 election, but only with a majority of 5.

They went back to the country in 1951, to try and increase that majority but came up a very well organised Conservative Party, that ran an appealing campaign.

Labour lost, with the Conservatives winning with a majority of 17.

Labour actually won a greater share of the vote, but the Conservatives got more seats.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

It's pointless using actual facts.

They will just pluck any old nonsense out of their arse.

They are that twisted up they cant admit it was socislalism which created one of our most proud institutions.

Give it a few more years and boris will have flogged it off to one of his chums.

I think you will find that it was WW2 and political consensus that created the NHS as people at the time realised and as usual Labour were promptly removed

Ah all those history books which was said that it was churchill and the tories who were booted out in 1945 were mistaken?

Gotcha.

Duh, the NHS was founded in 1948 and Labour were kicked out 2 years later. Why?

I know facts are not your strong point but the welfare state was created by a socialist gmnt.fact.

Churchill even opposed it at one point.fact.

I'm really not sure why you are trying to take credit for something which you and your party are bitterly opposed too?

It really grinds your gears doesnt it?

Whichever way you dress it up the NHS which is famous around the world was created by a socialist labour gmnt,which tories on here seem to so despise.

I do find it a bit strange that when something good happens under a labour gmnt,the tories get the credit.

It's all rather desperate.

Free anything is anathema to Tories..health, education, school metals..that is also a fact.

As for the NHS being safe,well there is mountains of evidence of boris and his pals extolling the virtues of private investment.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

It's pointless using actual facts.

They will just pluck any old nonsense out of their arse.

They are that twisted up they cant admit it was socislalism which created one of our most proud institutions.

Give it a few more years and boris will have flogged it off to one of his chums.

I think you will find that it was WW2 and political consensus that created the NHS as people at the time realised and as usual Labour were promptly removed

Ah all those history books which was said that it was churchill and the tories who were booted out in 1945 were mistaken?

Gotcha.

Duh, the NHS was founded in 1948 and Labour were kicked out 2 years later. Why?

I know facts are not your strong point but the welfare state was created by a socialist gmnt.fact.

Churchill even opposed it at one point.fact.

I'm really not sure why you are trying to take credit for something which you and your party are bitterly opposed too?

It really grinds your gears doesnt it?

Whichever way you dress it up the NHS which is famous around the world was created by a socialist labour gmnt,which tories on here seem to so despise.

I do find it a bit strange that when something good happens under a labour gmnt,the tories get the credit.

It's all rather desperate.

Free anything is anathema to Tories..health, education, school metals..that is also a fact.

As for the NHS being safe,well there is mountains of evidence of boris and his pals extolling the virtues of private investment. "
where is all this mountain of evidence can you point me in the direction? haven't the tories announced record spending enshrined in law for the nhs.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Right, as Churchill was brought up let's see.

As Chancellor of the Exchequer he brought in the first unemployment insurance scheme. He lowered the pension age to 65 and brought in widows and orphans to benefit. I'm sure there are more examples.

"bringing in compulsory national insurance will bring the magic of averages to the rescue of the millions, we are strong partisans of compulsory national insurance for all classes for ALL PURPOSES FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE" - Winston Churchill.

The big socialist, who knew

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

It's pointless using actual facts.

They will just pluck any old nonsense out of their arse.

They are that twisted up they cant admit it was socislalism which created one of our most proud institutions.

Give it a few more years and boris will have flogged it off to one of his chums.

I think you will find that it was WW2 and political consensus that created the NHS as people at the time realised and as usual Labour were promptly removed

Ah all those history books which was said that it was churchill and the tories who were booted out in 1945 were mistaken?

Gotcha.

Duh, the NHS was founded in 1948 and Labour were kicked out 2 years later. Why?

I know facts are not your strong point but the welfare state was created by a socialist gmnt.fact.

Churchill even opposed it at one point.fact.

I'm really not sure why you are trying to take credit for something which you and your party are bitterly opposed too?

It really grinds your gears doesnt it?

Whichever way you dress it up the NHS which is famous around the world was created by a socialist labour gmnt,which tories on here seem to so despise.

I do find it a bit strange that when something good happens under a labour gmnt,the tories get the credit.

It's all rather desperate.

Free anything is anathema to Tories..health, education, school metals..that is also a fact.

As for the NHS being safe,well there is mountains of evidence of boris and his pals extolling the virtues of private investment. where is all this mountain of evidence can you point me in the direction? haven't the tories announced record spending enshrined in law for the nhs. "

Are you serously suggesting the Tories discourage private investment in the nhs?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I'm not sure I can take anyone seriously, who uses the words churchill and socialism in the same sentence.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I'm not sure I can take anyone seriously, who uses the words churchill and socialism in the same sentence.

That's the point he wasn't. But you would describe some of the things that he did as socialism when it wasn't, it was social welfare

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

The tories detest anyone getting something for free.

There is no way an NHS would have been created under a right wing Tory gmnt.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

It's pointless using actual facts.

They will just pluck any old nonsense out of their arse.

They are that twisted up they cant admit it was socislalism which created one of our most proud institutions.

Give it a few more years and boris will have flogged it off to one of his chums.

I think you will find that it was WW2 and political consensus that created the NHS as people at the time realised and as usual Labour were promptly removed

Ah all those history books which was said that it was churchill and the tories who were booted out in 1945 were mistaken?

Gotcha.

Duh, the NHS was founded in 1948 and Labour were kicked out 2 years later. Why?

I know facts are not your strong point but the welfare state was created by a socialist gmnt.fact.

Churchill even opposed it at one point.fact.

I'm really not sure why you are trying to take credit for something which you and your party are bitterly opposed too?

It really grinds your gears doesnt it?

Whichever way you dress it up the NHS which is famous around the world was created by a socialist labour gmnt,which tories on here seem to so despise.

I do find it a bit strange that when something good happens under a labour gmnt,the tories get the credit.

It's all rather desperate.

Free anything is anathema to Tories..health, education, school metals..that is also a fact.

Are you serously suggesting the Tories discourage private investment in the nhs?

"
i want you to point me in the direction of this mountain of evidence.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The tories detest anyone getting something for free.

There is no way an NHS would have been created under a right wing Tory gmnt."

Nothing is free

So when Churchill said he wanted a compulsory national insurance scheme for ALL purposes, what do you think he meant?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

It's pointless using actual facts.

They will just pluck any old nonsense out of their arse.

They are that twisted up they cant admit it was socislalism which created one of our most proud institutions.

Give it a few more years and boris will have flogged it off to one of his chums.

I think you will find that it was WW2 and political consensus that created the NHS as people at the time realised and as usual Labour were promptly removed

Ah all those history books which was said that it was churchill and the tories who were booted out in 1945 were mistaken?

Gotcha.

Duh, the NHS was founded in 1948 and Labour were kicked out 2 years later. Why?

I know facts are not your strong point but the welfare state was created by a socialist gmnt.fact.

Churchill even opposed it at one point.fact.

I'm really not sure why you are trying to take credit for something which you and your party are bitterly opposed too?

It really grinds your gears doesnt it?

Whichever way you dress it up the NHS which is famous around the world was created by a socialist labour gmnt,which tories on here seem to so despise.

I do find it a bit strange that when something good happens under a labour gmnt,the tories get the credit.

It's all rather desperate.

Free anything is anathema to Tories..health, education, school metals..that is also a fact.

Are you serously suggesting the Tories discourage private investment in the nhs?

i want you to point me in the direction of this mountain of evidence."

Well for a start why dont you google liz truss NHS deal

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The tories detest anyone getting something for free.

There is no way an NHS would have been created under a right wing Tory gmnt.

Nothing is free

So when Churchill said he wanted a compulsory national insurance scheme for ALL purposes, what do you think he meant? "

The whole point of the NHS is ,that its essentially free

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The tories detest anyone getting something for free.

There is no way an NHS would have been created under a right wing Tory gmnt.

Nothing is free

So when Churchill said he wanted a compulsory national insurance scheme for ALL purposes, what do you think he meant?

The whole point of the NHS is ,that its essentially free"

So what am l paying National insurance for?

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

It's pointless using actual facts.

They will just pluck any old nonsense out of their arse.

They are that twisted up they cant admit it was socislalism which created one of our most proud institutions.

Give it a few more years and boris will have flogged it off to one of his chums.

I think you will find that it was WW2 and political consensus that created the NHS as people at the time realised and as usual Labour were promptly removed

Ah all those history books which was said that it was churchill and the tories who were booted out in 1945 were mistaken?

Gotcha.

Duh, the NHS was founded in 1948 and Labour were kicked out 2 years later. Why?

I know facts are not your strong point but the welfare state was created by a socialist gmnt.fact.

Churchill even opposed it at one point.fact.

I'm really not sure why you are trying to take credit for something which you and your party are bitterly opposed too?

It really grinds your gears doesnt it?

Whichever way you dress it up the NHS which is famous around the world was created by a socialist labour gmnt,which tories on here seem to so despise.

I do find it a bit strange that when something good happens under a labour gmnt,the tories get the credit.

It's all rather desperate.

Free anything is anathema to Tories..health, education, school metals..that is also a fact.

Are you serously suggesting the Tories discourage private investment in the nhs?

i want you to point me in the direction of this mountain of evidence.

Well for a start why dont you google liz truss NHS deal"
yes i have done that totally contridicts what you are saying thanks.https://www.cityam.com/liz-truss-nhs-off-the-table-in-brexit-talks-with-us/

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The tories detest anyone getting something for free.

There is no way an NHS would have been created under a right wing Tory gmnt.

Nothing is free

So when Churchill said he wanted a compulsory national insurance scheme for ALL purposes, what do you think he meant? "

The whole point of the NHS is ,that its essentially free

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

It's pointless using actual facts.

They will just pluck any old nonsense out of their arse.

They are that twisted up they cant admit it was socislalism which created one of our most proud institutions.

Give it a few more years and boris will have flogged it off to one of his chums.

I think you will find that it was WW2 and political consensus that created the NHS as people at the time realised and as usual Labour were promptly removed

Ah all those history books which was said that it was churchill and the tories who were booted out in 1945 were mistaken?

Gotcha.

Duh, the NHS was founded in 1948 and Labour were kicked out 2 years later. Why?

I know facts are not your strong point but the welfare state was created by a socialist gmnt.fact.

Churchill even opposed it at one point.fact.

I'm really not sure why you are trying to take credit for something which you and your party are bitterly opposed too?

It really grinds your gears doesnt it?

Whichever way you dress it up the NHS which is famous around the world was created by a socialist labour gmnt,which tories on here seem to so despise.

I do find it a bit strange that when something good happens under a labour gmnt,the tories get the credit.

It's all rather desperate.

Free anything is anathema to Tories..health, education, school metals..that is also a fact.

Are you serously suggesting the Tories discourage private investment in the nhs?

i want you to point me in the direction of this mountain of evidence.

Well for a start why dont you google liz truss NHS deal yes i have done that totally contridicts what you are saying thanks.https://www.cityam.com/liz-truss-nhs-off-the-table-in-brexit-talks-with-us/"

Ah yes an impartial source obviously.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

It's pointless using actual facts.

They will just pluck any old nonsense out of their arse.

They are that twisted up they cant admit it was socislalism which created one of our most proud institutions.

Give it a few more years and boris will have flogged it off to one of his chums.

I think you will find that it was WW2 and political consensus that created the NHS as people at the time realised and as usual Labour were promptly removed

Ah all those history books which was said that it was churchill and the tories who were booted out in 1945 were mistaken?

Gotcha.

Duh, the NHS was founded in 1948 and Labour were kicked out 2 years later. Why?

I know facts are not your strong point but the welfare state was created by a socialist gmnt.fact.

Churchill even opposed it at one point.fact.

I'm really not sure why you are trying to take credit for something which you and your party are bitterly opposed too?

It really grinds your gears doesnt it?

Whichever way you dress it up the NHS which is famous around the world was created by a socialist labour gmnt,which tories on here seem to so despise.

I do find it a bit strange that when something good happens under a labour gmnt,the tories get the credit.

It's all rather desperate.

Free anything is anathema to Tories..health, education, school metals..that is also a fact.

Are you serously suggesting the Tories discourage private investment in the nhs?

i want you to point me in the direction of this mountain of evidence.

You realise liz truss has had several meetings with us firms dating back to last year?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/53513523

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The tories detest anyone getting something for free.

There is no way an NHS would have been created under a right wing Tory gmnt.

Nothing is free

So when Churchill said he wanted a compulsory national insurance scheme for ALL purposes, what do you think he meant?

The whole point of the NHS is ,that its essentially free"

I'll ask again then

What am I paying National Insurance for?

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

It's pointless using actual facts.

They will just pluck any old nonsense out of their arse.

They are that twisted up they cant admit it was socislalism which created one of our most proud institutions.

Give it a few more years and boris will have flogged it off to one of his chums.

I think you will find that it was WW2 and political consensus that created the NHS as people at the time realised and as usual Labour were promptly removed

Ah all those history books which was said that it was churchill and the tories who were booted out in 1945 were mistaken?

Gotcha.

Duh, the NHS was founded in 1948 and Labour were kicked out 2 years later. Why?

I know facts are not your strong point but the welfare state was created by a socialist gmnt.fact.

Churchill even opposed it at one point.fact.

I'm really not sure why you are trying to take credit for something which you and your party are bitterly opposed too?

It really grinds your gears doesnt it?

Whichever way you dress it up the NHS which is famous around the world was created by a socialist labour gmnt,which tories on here seem to so despise.

I do find it a bit strange that when something good happens under a labour gmnt,the tories get the credit.

It's all rather desperate.

Free anything is anathema to Tories..health, education, school metals..that is also a fact.

Are you serously suggesting the Tories discourage private investment in the nhs?

i want you to point me in the direction of this mountain of evidence.

Well for a start why dont you google liz truss NHS deal yes i have done that totally contridicts what you are saying thanks.https://www.cityam.com/liz-truss-nhs-off-the-table-in-brexit-talks-with-us/

Ah yes an impartial source obviously. "
Right so i ask you and you ask me to google it i read the 1st one that came up on google search but thats not the one you want me to read.couldnt make it up

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/53513523"
Ok ive read that too so you accuse me of bias when all the bbc is doing is reporting what KS said.not really mountains of evidence is it.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The tories detest anyone getting something for free.

There is no way an NHS would have been created under a right wing Tory gmnt.

Nothing is free

So when Churchill said he wanted a compulsory national insurance scheme for ALL purposes, what do you think he meant?

The whole point of the NHS is ,that its essentially free

I'll ask again then

What am I paying National Insurance for? "

Do you pay when you need treatment?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

It's pointless using actual facts.

They will just pluck any old nonsense out of their arse.

They are that twisted up they cant admit it was socislalism which created one of our most proud institutions.

Give it a few more years and boris will have flogged it off to one of his chums.

I think you will find that it was WW2 and political consensus that created the NHS as people at the time realised and as usual Labour were promptly removed

Ah all those history books which was said that it was churchill and the tories who were booted out in 1945 were mistaken?

Gotcha.

Duh, the NHS was founded in 1948 and Labour were kicked out 2 years later. Why?

I know facts are not your strong point but the welfare state was created by a socialist gmnt.fact.

Churchill even opposed it at one point.fact.

I'm really not sure why you are trying to take credit for something which you and your party are bitterly opposed too?

It really grinds your gears doesnt it?

Whichever way you dress it up the NHS which is famous around the world was created by a socialist labour gmnt,which tories on here seem to so despise.

I do find it a bit strange that when something good happens under a labour gmnt,the tories get the credit.

It's all rather desperate.

Free anything is anathema to Tories..health, education, school metals..that is also a fact.

Are you serously suggesting the Tories discourage private investment in the nhs?

i want you to point me in the direction of this mountain of evidence.

Well for a start why dont you google liz truss NHS deal yes i have done that totally contridicts what you are saying thanks.https://www.cityam.com/liz-truss-nhs-off-the-table-in-brexit-talks-with-us/

Ah yes an impartial source obviously. Right so i ask you and you ask me to google it i read the 1st one that came up on google search but thats not the one you want me to read.couldnt make it up

A bit of research tells you its not the most reliable of sources

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"the misery that socialism creates.

It said so in The Sun and the Daily Mail, after all....

It's pointless using actual facts.

They will just pluck any old nonsense out of their arse.

They are that twisted up they cant admit it was socislalism which created one of our most proud institutions.

Give it a few more years and boris will have flogged it off to one of his chums.

I think you will find that it was WW2 and political consensus that created the NHS as people at the time realised and as usual Labour were promptly removed

Ah all those history books which was said that it was churchill and the tories who were booted out in 1945 were mistaken?

Gotcha.

Duh, the NHS was founded in 1948 and Labour were kicked out 2 years later. Why?

I know facts are not your strong point but the welfare state was created by a socialist gmnt.fact.

Churchill even opposed it at one point.fact.

I'm really not sure why you are trying to take credit for something which you and your party are bitterly opposed too?

It really grinds your gears doesnt it?

Whichever way you dress it up the NHS which is famous around the world was created by a socialist labour gmnt,which tories on here seem to so despise.

I do find it a bit strange that when something good happens under a labour gmnt,the tories get the credit.

It's all rather desperate.

Free anything is anathema to Tories..health, education, school metals..that is also a fact.

Are you serously suggesting the Tories discourage private investment in the nhs?

i want you to point me in the direction of this mountain of evidence.

Well for a start why dont you google liz truss NHS deal yes i have done that totally contridicts what you are saying thanks.https://www.cityam.com/liz-truss-nhs-off-the-table-in-brexit-talks-with-us/

Ah yes an impartial source obviously. Right so i ask you and you ask me to google it i read the 1st one that came up on google search but thats not the one you want me to read.couldnt make it up

A bit of research tells you its not the most reliable of sources "
I suppose KS trying to score political points is then.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/53513523Ok ive read that too so you accuse me of bias when all the bbc is doing is reporting what KS said.not really mountains of evidence is it."

The trade deal allows foreign firms to invest in the NHS.

It was brought in by this gmnt

Liz truss is on record talking about opening up the NHS

Trump talked about the NHS being on the table

Johnson is on record discussing a trade deal with American firms

Johnson at pmq the other week was defending giving out contracts to private firms

I'm not even sure why this is a point of debate

The tories are all for choice and private investment

It's in their dna

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The tories detest anyone getting something for free.

There is no way an NHS would have been created under a right wing Tory gmnt.

Nothing is free

So when Churchill said he wanted a compulsory national insurance scheme for ALL purposes, what do you think he meant?

The whole point of the NHS is ,that its essentially free

I'll ask again then

What am I paying National Insurance for?

Do you pay when you need treatment?"

Yes already paid for it through N.I and will continue to pay for it after through N.I

How can you seriously think anything is free?

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/53513523Ok ive read that too so you accuse me of bias when all the bbc is doing is reporting what KS said.not really mountains of evidence is it.

The trade deal allows foreign firms to invest in the NHS.

It was brought in by this gmnt

Liz truss is on record talking about opening up the NHS

Trump talked about the NHS being on the table

Johnson is on record discussing a trade deal with American firms

Johnson at pmq the other week was defending giving out contracts to private firms

I'm not even sure why this is a point of debate

The tories are all for choice and private investment

It's in their dna

"
Right got you so now trump is not a liar ffs mate try to be consistent.Point me to where liz truss is talking of selling off the nhs.

your trouble mate is you listen to corbyn,starmer etc and take everything they say as gospel without finding out the facts.show me some proof the tories plan to sell the nhs.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/53513523Ok ive read that too so you accuse me of bias when all the bbc is doing is reporting what KS said.not really mountains of evidence is it.

The trade deal allows foreign firms to invest in the NHS.

It was brought in by this gmnt

Liz truss is on record talking about opening up the NHS

Trump talked about the NHS being on the table

Johnson is on record discussing a trade deal with American firms

Johnson at pmq the other week was defending giving out contracts to private firms

I'm not even sure why this is a point of debate

The tories are all for choice and private investment

It's in their dna

Right got you so now trump is not a liar ffs mate try to be consistent.Point me to where liz truss is talking of selling off the nhs.

your trouble mate is you listen to corbyn,starmer etc and take everything they say as gospel without finding out the facts.show me some proof the tories plan to sell the nhs. "

Google liz truss Cato trade talk

I cant post the link

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Actually I'm starting to worry about the chances of a brexit deal, after all they've been trying to sell off the NHS for the last 70 years (allegedly) and still haven't managed it

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/53513523Ok ive read that too so you accuse me of bias when all the bbc is doing is reporting what KS said.not really mountains of evidence is it.

The trade deal allows foreign firms to invest in the NHS.

It was brought in by this gmnt

Liz truss is on record talking about opening up the NHS

Trump talked about the NHS being on the table

Johnson is on record discussing a trade deal with American firms

Johnson at pmq the other week was defending giving out contracts to private firms

I'm not even sure why this is a point of debate

The tories are all for choice and private investment

It's in their dna

Right got you so now trump is not a liar ffs mate try to be consistent.Point me to where liz truss is talking of selling off the nhs.

your trouble mate is you listen to corbyn,starmer etc and take everything they say as gospel without finding out the facts.show me some proof the tories plan to sell the nhs.

Google liz truss Cato trade talk

I cant post the link"
yep tried that cant find "mountains of evidence" or any actually that she wants to sell the nhs.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Actually I'm starting to worry about the chances of a brexit deal, after all they've been trying to sell off the NHS for the last 70 years (allegedly) and still haven't managed it

So why have they just passed a law allowing greater foreign investment in the NHS?

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"Actually I'm starting to worry about the chances of a brexit deal, after all they've been trying to sell off the NHS for the last 70 years (allegedly) and still haven't managed it

"
Its not the uk you need to worry about mate the eu have been trying to do the mercosur deal for 20 years they thought they were there than guess who? macron puts the brakes on it.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-said-patients-charged-to-use-the-nhs-2019-12%3famp

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-ppe-covid-pmqs-starmer-b1724895.html%3famp

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

so back to the Berlin Wall anyone??

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

"The tories detest anyone getting something for free.

There is no way an NHS would have been created under a right wing Tory gmnt.

Nothing is free

So when Churchill said he wanted a compulsory national insurance scheme for ALL purposes, what do you think he meant?

The whole point of the NHS is ,that its essentially free

I'll ask again then

What am I paying National Insurance for? "

you must know by now that he only answers certain questions and even then he answers with a question!

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By *hilledOutGuy1Man over a year ago

Not far away

only a few posts to go before the thread is closed

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By *ankie303Woman over a year ago

Weirdsville South Coast Dorset

"only a few posts to go before the thread is closed

Nothing like being the thread closer with no other input to the thread

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

" Nothing like being the thread closer with no other input to the thread "

I agree entirely

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