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"A pay cut to all ministers is a good idea and also a cut on the expenses they can claim. I mean being paid £300 a day attendance is ridiculous. " I assume this comes under the non-serious answers?... That will never happen under a Tory government! | |||
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"I dont know how they can still pretend money is a thing. Not a very funny answer sorry, but the whole concept of all this borrowing and paying back is ridiculous. Lets wipe the slate clean and start again we can keep lovely Scotland then "Nice arse. | |||
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"A pay cut to all ministers is a good idea and also a cut on the expenses they can claim. I mean being paid £300 a day attendance is ridiculous. I assume this comes under the non-serious answers?... That will never happen under a Tory government!" I dont think it will come under any government. They claim they in a position for the people, but are all self serving.  | |||
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"Well there's the £16.5bn military spending boost that was announced last week. That seems extravagant, unless it's an investment in safety for our Etonian overlords come the Covid and Brexit riots of course..." Got to patrol those so important fishing waters... | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train"
Austerity didnt work last time so let's try it again. | |||
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"Austerity is a failed plan that disproportionately imposes poverty on too many. We need to level up, not the opposite. After a major economic recession and steps that harmed millions, leaving the provision of essential services in ruins, there's lots of scope for investment to regain some of the broken elements in society. Investment is the only way out. Brexit with no deal is worse than the covid-19 damage, according to the Bank of England. This needs investment for recovery. It's totally different to home personal financial management. " Exactly this... but it doesn’t align with the interests of Tory party donors and hedge fund managers, so won’t happen | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train" Increase tax on the rich and corporation ? Aren't we going to be trying to get the big companies to stay rather than fuck off after brexit ? Maybe taxing them more will make them stay, I don't know. Slash corporation tax, try to get a few jobs going and raise taxes that way not the usual tax those that have to give to those that won't. | |||
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"Cancel HS2 "Great way to put the 30,000 construction workers on HS2 out of a job.! | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train" Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. | |||
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"Cancel HS2
Great way to put the 30,000 construction workers on HS2 out of a job.!"The money has to come from somewhere, don’t worry, they can get another job . I think the government recently did an advertisement campaign on the best jobs to retrain for . | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. " Like what? | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? " shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start." That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight... | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start." I do, always have done. Not sure if that will help save the economy though  | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight... "Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though "support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look. | |||
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"Massive borrowing on the way, what can the chancellor do? Sensible or funnies. I’ll start with how about selling Scotland to the Scottish, win win? " | |||
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"The foreign aid cut was good news, maybe it will be spent more wisely, though they could have gone a bit further " Just wait the doo gooders will be kicking off anytime now to try to overturn his decision | |||
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"The foreign aid cut was good news, maybe it will be spent more wisely, though they could have gone a bit further Just wait the doo gooders will be kicking off anytime now to try to overturn his decision " They've been doing it all day mate, got to make yourself look good and kind for the cameras even if it is with someone else's money | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look."Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? | |||
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"The foreign aid cut was good news, maybe it will be spent more wisely, though they could have gone a bit further Just wait the doo gooders will be kicking off anytime now to try to overturn his decision " I know Imagine actually being arsed about kids starving to death. | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? "It's like being back in the 50s | |||
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"The foreign aid cut was good news, maybe it will be spent more wisely, though they could have gone a bit further Just wait the doo gooders will be kicking off anytime now to try to overturn his decision I know Imagine actually being arsed about kids starving to death. " If the world really wanted to stop that it could do it overnight | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made?
It's like being back in the 50s "I wish it was , we had some very good British made and British owned products, where are those same products now? | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? "Your American and Japanese whiskey is whiskey ... the Scottish whisky is of course whisky | |||
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"The foreign aid cut was good news, maybe it will be spent more wisely, though they could have gone a bit further Just wait the doo gooders will be kicking off anytime now to try to overturn his decision I know Imagine actually being arsed about kids starving to death. " Yes just imagine their own governments giving a damn about their starving kids | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? "You can buy a Nissan made in Sunderland. | |||
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" ... theres plenty of british made stuff if you look. Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? " You forgot to list tea and its poor relation, coffee. And bananas. Chocolate, too - if it's your thing. There are loads of good reasons nobody buys British - especially the British. Lest we forget consumer driven capitalism and the right to buy what you want, from whomever you want, is the Tories' favoured form of economics. It destroyed most of British manufacturing industry. Are we seriously to believe the Tories got it wrong? Or was it the Unions fault - in the absence of the kind of state aid, not uncommon in the rest of Europe (and occasionally in the USA) - for refusing to have their members work for third world pay, under third world conditions, in order to compete? Yeah. That must be it. Right? | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? "plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised. | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? "Not sure about the others as never looked into it but isn't your Scottish whiskey British? | |||
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"So far the 1st ones to take the hit are people hit by famine and the people who worked through the pandemic, keeping the country afloat. Standard." Probably the ones to be hit will be china who are spending billions on putting a man on the moon and India who spend millions on nuclear weapons im sure they dont need our help.Have a look at the list of who contributes and how much to the world food programme the uk does more than its fair share.Maybe we can spend more on our own starving school kids your always on about.  | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train" What a load of crap | |||
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"The foreign aid cut was good news, maybe it will be spent more wisely, though they could have gone a bit further Just wait the doo gooders will be kicking off anytime now to try to overturn his decision I know Imagine actually being arsed about kids starving to death. " It is the kids in Merseyside I worry about not those in Africa or wearevever. Charity begins at home help thy neighbour etc is my motto.I only support British charities | |||
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"The foreign aid cut was good news, maybe it will be spent more wisely, though they could have gone a bit further Just wait the doo gooders will be kicking off anytime now to try to overturn his decision I know Imagine actually being arsed about kids starving to death. It is the kids in Merseyside I worry about not those in Africa or wearevever. Charity begins at home help thy neighbour etc is my motto.I only support British charities " Britain has been the top contributor in the G7 to foreign aid as a % of gdp UK 0.070 germany 0.060 france 0.044 usa 0.016 After the cut to 0.050 we will still be the 2nd highest contributor as a % of gdp time for others to step up to the plate. | |||
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"The foreign aid cut was good news, maybe it will be spent more wisely, though they could have gone a bit further Just wait the doo gooders will be kicking off anytime now to try to overturn his decision I know Imagine actually being arsed about kids starving to death. It is the kids in Merseyside I worry about not those in Africa or wearevever. Charity begins at home help thy neighbour etc is my motto.I only support British charities " What about if the British charity helps non-British people? Or even worse, someone who voted remain? | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start." Which one, tesco, sainsyir lidl ? | |||
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"Should 100% start taking the taxes off these massive corporations who pay little to no tax but it’s the bosses of these who are most likely having a say in how they he world is run so it just isn’t going to happen. The ‘common man’ is the easiest target so just expect yet another stealth tax soonest..a huge expansion on the radius of the congestion charge to name but one " If it weren't for the "big corporations" the ordinary wee man wouldn't have a job. You can't increase taxation revenue by sending the "big corporations" to other countries with lower taxes. Ireland cut corporation tax and it's thriving. You have to speculate to accumulate | |||
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"The foreign aid cut was good news, maybe it will be spent more wisely, though they could have gone a bit further Just wait the doo gooders will be kicking off anytime now to try to overturn his decision I know Imagine actually being arsed about kids starving to death. It is the kids in Merseyside I worry about not those in Africa or wearevever. Charity begins at home help thy neighbour etc is my motto.I only support British charities What about if the British charity helps non-British people? Or even worse, someone who voted remain?" Leave or remain has got nothing to do with it, let's leave brexit out of it for once then maybe we can all have a grown up discussion without all the stupid personal insults being thrown about like normal. | |||
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"The foreign aid cut was good news, maybe it will be spent more wisely, though they could have gone a bit further Just wait the doo gooders will be kicking off anytime now to try to overturn his decision I know Imagine actually being arsed about kids starving to death. It is the kids in Merseyside I worry about not those in Africa or wearevever. Charity begins at home help thy neighbour etc is my motto.I only support British charities What about if the British charity helps non-British people? Or even worse, someone who voted remain? Leave or remain has got nothing to do with it, let's leave brexit out of it for once then maybe we can all have a grown up discussion without all the stupid personal insults being thrown about like normal." Fair enough. The person I was replying to is usually extremely enthusiastic about insulting people who voted remain. And you spend a fair amount of time on that too. On topic. The reduction in foreign aid is fine. But what's to stop the Tories just handing it all to their mates businesses for pandemic related contracts. I have zero confidence that this government will do the right thing and spend the money where it's needed. | |||
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"The foreign aid cut was good news, maybe it will be spent more wisely, though they could have gone a bit further Just wait the doo gooders will be kicking off anytime now to try to overturn his decision I know Imagine actually being arsed about kids starving to death. It is the kids in Merseyside I worry about not those in Africa or wearevever. Charity begins at home help thy neighbour etc is my motto.I only support British charities What about if the British charity helps non-British people? Or even worse, someone who voted remain? Leave or remain has got nothing to do with it, let's leave brexit out of it for once then maybe we can all have a grown up discussion without all the stupid personal insults being thrown about like normal. Fair enough. The person I was replying to is usually extremely enthusiastic about insulting people who voted remain. And you spend a fair amount of time on that too. On topic. The reduction in foreign aid is fine. But what's to stop the Tories just handing it all to their mates businesses for pandemic related contracts. I have zero confidence that this government will do the right thing and spend the money where it's needed. " I beg to differ there, would you care to show me where I regularly insult others on this forum? I didn't insult you in my previous post or the other day when we were debating, its not my style mate, I hate it on here when its like that, hence my 1st post above. | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. Which one, tesco, sainsyir lidl ?" dont you have any local butchers or greengrocers? | |||
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"Well there's the £16.5bn military spending boost that was announced last week. That seems extravagant, unless it's an investment in safety for our Etonian overlords come the Covid and Brexit riots of course... Got to patrol those so important fishing waters... "and stop the immigrants at the same time | |||
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"I heard on Radio 2 mps are meant to be having a &3000 payrise " Its not been agreed yet. And probably won't be. | |||
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"So far the 1st ones to take the hit are people hit by famine and the people who worked through the pandemic, keeping the country afloat. Standard.Probably the ones to be hit will be china who are spending billions on putting a man on the moon and India who spend millions on nuclear weapons im sure they dont need our help.Have a look at the list of who contributes and how much to the world food programme the uk does more than its fair share.Maybe we can spend more on our own starving school kids your always on about. "We are already withdrawing our aid programmes to China and India. | |||
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"I have just been through my posts on the forums using the green arrow mate and there is not one of me personally insulting a remainer on the forums or anybody else for that matter." In which case I apologise for confusing you with someone else. | |||
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"The foreign aid cut was good news, maybe it will be spent more wisely, though they could have gone a bit further Just wait the doo gooders will be kicking off anytime now to try to overturn his decision I know Imagine actually being arsed about kids starving to death. It is the kids in Merseyside I worry about not those in Africa or wearevever. Charity begins at home help thy neighbour etc is my motto.I only support British charities What about if the British charity helps non-British people? Or even worse, someone who voted remain? Leave or remain has got nothing to do with it, let's leave brexit out of it for once then maybe we can all have a grown up discussion without all the stupid personal insults being thrown about like normal." I don’t want to get into a insults match as Brexit is done but the banking funds moving to Paris and Amsterdam has put a very big hole in the tax take so that’s just added to Rishi’s problems. He’s got a very difficult task as unemployment and borrowing increases but the hole has to be filled and the only revenue is tax. His saving options are limited with the sums involved. One poster has put lower tax to corporations which I think was the original plan by Cummins and Co. That is a huge gamble because if it doesn’t work the hole gets bigger and think without a deal we won’t attract the types of mega corporations we need in time. They will be cautious on making any moves. The gamble to half corporation tax to Ireland’s level is a huge risk I don’t think we can afford after COVID. Just my opinion. So not going on about Brexit but it does have massive implications on what he can do. I don’t envy him the task. I think he’s waiting before taking to much drastic action as the path isn’t very clear yet. Again just my opinion but I don’t think austerity will be a goer with anyone so tax will be his best option on us all. Pay rises in public sector paused hmm but for how long exactly? | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised. "British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . "Wine is a matter of taste i agree but there are some excellent British wines the phones are british tech and companies are stk,wileyfox,storm although they are produced in china as most are but british companies. You like italian cloths but are they made in italy or in asia like most are? | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . Wine is a matter of taste i agree but there are some excellent British wines the phones are british tech and companies are stk,wileyfox,storm although they are produced in china as most are but british companies. You like italian cloths but are they made in italy or in asia like most are?"The ones I buy are made in Italy , if there were good quality British alternatives then I would consider buying them . | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . Wine is a matter of taste i agree but there are some excellent British wines the phones are british tech and companies are stk,wileyfox,storm although they are produced in china as most are but british companies. You like italian cloths but are they made in italy or in asia like most are?
The ones I buy are made in Italy , if there were good quality British alternatives then I would consider buying them . "Right i thought you just said there were but they were too expensive. | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . "You don’t even have to go to Scotland for your whisky, Have a look at the Lakes Distillery. | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . Wine is a matter of taste i agree but there are some excellent British wines the phones are british tech and companies are stk,wileyfox,storm although they are produced in china as most are but british companies. You like italian cloths but are they made in italy or in asia like most are?
The ones I buy are made in Italy , if there were good quality British alternatives then I would consider buying them . Right i thought you just said there were but they were too expensive."They are not as good as the Italian equivalent, just like British wine isn’t as good as the French or German cars are better etc etc. This isn’t anti Brexit, but I very much doubt that the British consumer will change their buying habits anytime soon. The huge holes in the British economy will not be filled with people ‘buying British ‘ | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies .
You don’t even have to go to Scotland for your whisky, Have a look at the Lakes Distillery."I prefer their gin, | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . "Made in the UK though by a UK workforce. This keeps people employed and they spend money in their local economy. | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . Wine is a matter of taste i agree but there are some excellent British wines the phones are british tech and companies are stk,wileyfox,storm although they are produced in china as most are but british companies. You like italian cloths but are they made in italy or in asia like most are?
The ones I buy are made in Italy , if there were good quality British alternatives then I would consider buying them . Right i thought you just said there were but they were too expensive.
They are not as good as the Italian equivalent, just like British wine isn’t as good as the French or German cars are better etc etc. This isn’t anti Brexit, but I very much doubt that the British consumer will change their buying habits anytime soon. The huge holes in the British economy will not be filled with people ‘buying British ‘ "Thats your personal choice and its up to you how you spend your money. The conversation started with you stating that there was not very much choice im just putting it out there that the choice is there and that if everyone shopped just once a week in their local greengrocers,fishmongers and butchers for one meal it would help the uk immensely. | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . Wine is a matter of taste i agree but there are some excellent British wines the phones are british tech and companies are stk,wileyfox,storm although they are produced in china as most are but british companies. You like italian cloths but are they made in italy or in asia like most are?
The ones I buy are made in Italy , if there were good quality British alternatives then I would consider buying them . Right i thought you just said there were but they were too expensive.
They are not as good as the Italian equivalent, just like British wine isn’t as good as the French or German cars are better etc etc. This isn’t anti Brexit, but I very much doubt that the British consumer will change their buying habits anytime soon. The huge holes in the British economy will not be filled with people ‘buying British ‘ "It's a start though isnt it. Unfortunately the UK has become a brand culture where everyone wants the new gadget. Why the hell do you need a new iPhone every 12 months at a grand a time.! People need to change their habits from what they want to what they actually need. | |||
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"Even Cameron is disgusted with the foreign aid issue. Look after our own?tories look after the rich and powerful..its their raison d'etre.At least be honest about it. There is huge anger at the pay freeze.The 1st people they go after,are the people who worked all the way through the pandemic. If anyone was naive to believe their empty words ,maybe they know better now. Hopefully there will be a reaction in the new year. " Yeah very easy to spend other peoples money when your not in charge of it just like Analisa dodds. | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . Wine is a matter of taste i agree but there are some excellent British wines the phones are british tech and companies are stk,wileyfox,storm although they are produced in china as most are but british companies. You like italian cloths but are they made in italy or in asia like most are?
The ones I buy are made in Italy , if there were good quality British alternatives then I would consider buying them . Right i thought you just said there were but they were too expensive.
They are not as good as the Italian equivalent, just like British wine isn’t as good as the French or German cars are better etc etc. This isn’t anti Brexit, but I very much doubt that the British consumer will change their buying habits anytime soon. The huge holes in the British economy will not be filled with people ‘buying British ‘
It's a start though isnt it. Unfortunately the UK has become a brand culture where everyone wants the new gadget.
Why the hell do you need a new iPhone every 12 months at a grand a time.!
People need to change their habits from what they want to what they actually need."It won’t happen, | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . Wine is a matter of taste i agree but there are some excellent British wines the phones are british tech and companies are stk,wileyfox,storm although they are produced in china as most are but british companies. You like italian cloths but are they made in italy or in asia like most are?
The ones I buy are made in Italy , if there were good quality British alternatives then I would consider buying them . Right i thought you just said there were but they were too expensive.
They are not as good as the Italian equivalent, just like British wine isn’t as good as the French or German cars are better etc etc. This isn’t anti Brexit, but I very much doubt that the British consumer will change their buying habits anytime soon. The huge holes in the British economy will not be filled with people ‘buying British ‘
It's a start though isnt it. Unfortunately the UK has become a brand culture where everyone wants the new gadget.
Why the hell do you need a new iPhone every 12 months at a grand a time.!
People need to change their habits from what they want to what they actually need.
It won’t happen, "It will if the eu insist on putting tariffs on stuff and buying british becomes cheaper. | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . Wine is a matter of taste i agree but there are some excellent British wines the phones are british tech and companies are stk,wileyfox,storm although they are produced in china as most are but british companies. You like italian cloths but are they made in italy or in asia like most are?
The ones I buy are made in Italy , if there were good quality British alternatives then I would consider buying them . Right i thought you just said there were but they were too expensive.
They are not as good as the Italian equivalent, just like British wine isn’t as good as the French or German cars are better etc etc. This isn’t anti Brexit, but I very much doubt that the British consumer will change their buying habits anytime soon. The huge holes in the British economy will not be filled with people ‘buying British ‘ Thats your personal choice and its up to you how you spend your money. The conversation started with you stating that there was not very much choice im just putting it out there that the choice is there and that if everyone shopped just once a week in their local greengrocers,fishmongers and butchers for one meal it would help the uk immensely. "‘Immensely’ ? I very much doubt it. Local butchers and green grocers will soon be a thing of the past once the mainly older generation who use them are gone . | |||
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"The tories decimate our industries and flog off everything we own and we are urged to but british by their supporters. Its beyond parody." Think you will find the last Labour government (if you can remember that far back) sold of their fair share of UK assets. Remember the UK gold reserve.!! | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . Wine is a matter of taste i agree but there are some excellent British wines the phones are british tech and companies are stk,wileyfox,storm although they are produced in china as most are but british companies. You like italian cloths but are they made in italy or in asia like most are?
The ones I buy are made in Italy , if there were good quality British alternatives then I would consider buying them . Right i thought you just said there were but they were too expensive.
They are not as good as the Italian equivalent, just like British wine isn’t as good as the French or German cars are better etc etc. This isn’t anti Brexit, but I very much doubt that the British consumer will change their buying habits anytime soon. The huge holes in the British economy will not be filled with people ‘buying British ‘
It's a start though isnt it. Unfortunately the UK has become a brand culture where everyone wants the new gadget.
Why the hell do you need a new iPhone every 12 months at a grand a time.!
People need to change their habits from what they want to what they actually need.
It won’t happen, It will if the eu insist on putting tariffs on stuff and buying british becomes cheaper. "It still won’t happen because we don’t have a enough British products, the consumer will just have to pay more for what they want | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . Wine is a matter of taste i agree but there are some excellent British wines the phones are british tech and companies are stk,wileyfox,storm although they are produced in china as most are but british companies. You like italian cloths but are they made in italy or in asia like most are?
The ones I buy are made in Italy , if there were good quality British alternatives then I would consider buying them . Right i thought you just said there were but they were too expensive.
They are not as good as the Italian equivalent, just like British wine isn’t as good as the French or German cars are better etc etc. This isn’t anti Brexit, but I very much doubt that the British consumer will change their buying habits anytime soon. The huge holes in the British economy will not be filled with people ‘buying British ‘ Thats your personal choice and its up to you how you spend your money. The conversation started with you stating that there was not very much choice im just putting it out there that the choice is there and that if everyone shopped just once a week in their local greengrocers,fishmongers and butchers for one meal it would help the uk immensely.
‘Immensely’ ? I very much doubt it. Local butchers and green grocers will soon be a thing of the past once the mainly older generation who use them are gone . "Absolute rubbish, people of all ages use their local shops. | |||
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"The tories decimate our industries and flog off everything we own and we are urged to but british by their supporters. Its beyond parody. Think you will find the last Labour government (if you can remember that far back) sold of their fair share of UK assets. Remember the UK gold reserve.!!" The tories have been in power for the best chunk of 40 years but it's still labours fault. I'm struggling to understand how you can leave everything to the market and urge people to buy British A total contradiction. | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . Wine is a matter of taste i agree but there are some excellent British wines the phones are british tech and companies are stk,wileyfox,storm although they are produced in china as most are but british companies. You like italian cloths but are they made in italy or in asia like most are?
The ones I buy are made in Italy , if there were good quality British alternatives then I would consider buying them . Right i thought you just said there were but they were too expensive.
They are not as good as the Italian equivalent, just like British wine isn’t as good as the French or German cars are better etc etc. This isn’t anti Brexit, but I very much doubt that the British consumer will change their buying habits anytime soon. The huge holes in the British economy will not be filled with people ‘buying British ‘ Thats your personal choice and its up to you how you spend your money. The conversation started with you stating that there was not very much choice im just putting it out there that the choice is there and that if everyone shopped just once a week in their local greengrocers,fishmongers and butchers for one meal it would help the uk immensely.
‘Immensely’ ? I very much doubt it. Local butchers and green grocers will soon be a thing of the past once the mainly older generation who use them are gone .
Absolute rubbish, people of all ages use their local shops."I hope you're right. I love shopping in the local shops instead of the supermarkets. But it's going to be tough for them to compete. | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . Wine is a matter of taste i agree but there are some excellent British wines the phones are british tech and companies are stk,wileyfox,storm although they are produced in china as most are but british companies. You like italian cloths but are they made in italy or in asia like most are?
The ones I buy are made in Italy , if there were good quality British alternatives then I would consider buying them . Right i thought you just said there were but they were too expensive.
They are not as good as the Italian equivalent, just like British wine isn’t as good as the French or German cars are better etc etc. This isn’t anti Brexit, but I very much doubt that the British consumer will change their buying habits anytime soon. The huge holes in the British economy will not be filled with people ‘buying British ‘ Thats your personal choice and its up to you how you spend your money. The conversation started with you stating that there was not very much choice im just putting it out there that the choice is there and that if everyone shopped just once a week in their local greengrocers,fishmongers and butchers for one meal it would help the uk immensely.
‘Immensely’ ? I very much doubt it. Local butchers and green grocers will soon be a thing of the past once the mainly older generation who use them are gone .
Absolute rubbish, people of all ages use their local shops."If you think that the local butcher and greengrocer will still exist in the next 10-20 years then you are deluded. | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . Wine is a matter of taste i agree but there are some excellent British wines the phones are british tech and companies are stk,wileyfox,storm although they are produced in china as most are but british companies. You like italian cloths but are they made in italy or in asia like most are?
The ones I buy are made in Italy , if there were good quality British alternatives then I would consider buying them . Right i thought you just said there were but they were too expensive.
They are not as good as the Italian equivalent, just like British wine isn’t as good as the French or German cars are better etc etc. This isn’t anti Brexit, but I very much doubt that the British consumer will change their buying habits anytime soon. The huge holes in the British economy will not be filled with people ‘buying British ‘ Thats your personal choice and its up to you how you spend your money. The conversation started with you stating that there was not very much choice im just putting it out there that the choice is there and that if everyone shopped just once a week in their local greengrocers,fishmongers and butchers for one meal it would help the uk immensely.
‘Immensely’ ? I very much doubt it. Local butchers and green grocers will soon be a thing of the past once the mainly older generation who use them are gone .
Absolute rubbish, people of all ages use their local shops.
I hope you're right. I love shopping in the local shops instead of the supermarkets.
But it's going to be tough for them to compete."I've heard that our local supermarket is closing it's meat and fish counter. So the opportunity for the local butcher that's already their to pick up a lot of buisness. | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . Wine is a matter of taste i agree but there are some excellent British wines the phones are british tech and companies are stk,wileyfox,storm although they are produced in china as most are but british companies. You like italian cloths but are they made in italy or in asia like most are?
The ones I buy are made in Italy , if there were good quality British alternatives then I would consider buying them . Right i thought you just said there were but they were too expensive.
They are not as good as the Italian equivalent, just like British wine isn’t as good as the French or German cars are better etc etc. This isn’t anti Brexit, but I very much doubt that the British consumer will change their buying habits anytime soon. The huge holes in the British economy will not be filled with people ‘buying British ‘ Thats your personal choice and its up to you how you spend your money. The conversation started with you stating that there was not very much choice im just putting it out there that the choice is there and that if everyone shopped just once a week in their local greengrocers,fishmongers and butchers for one meal it would help the uk immensely.
‘Immensely’ ? I very much doubt it. Local butchers and green grocers will soon be a thing of the past once the mainly older generation who use them are gone .
Absolute rubbish, people of all ages use their local shops.
If you think that the local butcher and greengrocer will still exist in the next 10-20 years then you are deluded. "I think there is more chance of them being open than you being able to buy a cheap German car or Italian suit. | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . Wine is a matter of taste i agree but there are some excellent British wines the phones are british tech and companies are stk,wileyfox,storm although they are produced in china as most are but british companies. You like italian cloths but are they made in italy or in asia like most are?
The ones I buy are made in Italy , if there were good quality British alternatives then I would consider buying them . Right i thought you just said there were but they were too expensive.
They are not as good as the Italian equivalent, just like British wine isn’t as good as the French or German cars are better etc etc. This isn’t anti Brexit, but I very much doubt that the British consumer will change their buying habits anytime soon. The huge holes in the British economy will not be filled with people ‘buying British ‘ Thats your personal choice and its up to you how you spend your money. The conversation started with you stating that there was not very much choice im just putting it out there that the choice is there and that if everyone shopped just once a week in their local greengrocers,fishmongers and butchers for one meal it would help the uk immensely.
‘Immensely’ ? I very much doubt it. Local butchers and green grocers will soon be a thing of the past once the mainly older generation who use them are gone .
Absolute rubbish, people of all ages use their local shops.
I hope you're right. I love shopping in the local shops instead of the supermarkets.
But it's going to be tough for them to compete.
I've heard that our local supermarket is closing it's meat and fish counter. So the opportunity for the local butcher that's already their to pick up a lot of buisness. "They are probably closing it to reduce staff, why would they stop selling meat or fish ? | |||
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"Even Cameron is disgusted with the foreign aid issue. Look after our own?tories look after the rich and powerful..its their raison d'etre.At least be honest about it. There is huge anger at the pay freeze.The 1st people they go after,are the people who worked all the way through the pandemic. If anyone was naive to believe their empty words ,maybe they know better now. Hopefully there will be a reaction in the new year. " Cameron would be angry, he came up with the figure to try and make himself look less of a twat. Even with the cut how many countries pay out more than we do? Which country has put the most money into Covax, the biggest issue of our time? The pay freeze does not affect NHS workers or anyone earning less than £24,000 a year. Sounds fair to me and if you think there will be a bad reaction to that in the real world outside of the media especially among the private sector then you are deluded | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . Wine is a matter of taste i agree but there are some excellent British wines the phones are british tech and companies are stk,wileyfox,storm although they are produced in china as most are but british companies. You like italian cloths but are they made in italy or in asia like most are?
The ones I buy are made in Italy , if there were good quality British alternatives then I would consider buying them . Right i thought you just said there were but they were too expensive.
They are not as good as the Italian equivalent, just like British wine isn’t as good as the French or German cars are better etc etc. This isn’t anti Brexit, but I very much doubt that the British consumer will change their buying habits anytime soon. The huge holes in the British economy will not be filled with people ‘buying British ‘ Thats your personal choice and its up to you how you spend your money. The conversation started with you stating that there was not very much choice im just putting it out there that the choice is there and that if everyone shopped just once a week in their local greengrocers,fishmongers and butchers for one meal it would help the uk immensely.
‘Immensely’ ? I very much doubt it. Local butchers and green grocers will soon be a thing of the past once the mainly older generation who use them are gone .
Absolute rubbish, people of all ages use their local shops.
If you think that the local butcher and greengrocer will still exist in the next 10-20 years then you are deluded.
I think there is more chance of them being open than you being able to buy a cheap German car or Italian suit. "I will still be buying a German car and Italian clothes because they are far superior to the British alternative, I dont mind paying extra for quality | |||
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"Imagine being even more right wing than the politician who oversaw austerity. " Which EU leader didn't see over austerity? | |||
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"Imagine being even more right wing than the politician who oversaw austerity. Which EU leader didn't see over austerity? " For years the tories claimed labour caused austerity by crashing the economy. So if it was the eu thank you for confirming that the tories basically lied to the electorate for 8 years. We all knew it,but it's nice for you to acknowledge it. | |||
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"Imagine being even more right wing than the politician who oversaw austerity. Which EU leader didn't see over austerity? For years the tories claimed labour caused austerity by crashing the economy. So if it was the eu thank you for confirming that the tories basically lied to the electorate for 8 years. We all knew it,but it's nice for you to acknowledge it. "No, the Tories blamed Labour for leaving no money to deal with the effects of a crash, which is true, get it right | |||
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"Imagine being even more right wing than the politician who oversaw austerity. Which EU leader didn't see over austerity? For years the tories claimed labour caused austerity by crashing the economy. So if it was the eu thank you for confirming that the tories basically lied to the electorate for 8 years. We all knew it,but it's nice for you to acknowledge it.
No, the Tories blamed Labour for leaving no money to deal with the effects of a crash, which is true, get it right "You just said austerity was an EU wide issue. Labour had to bail out the banks. | |||
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"It’s obviously going to be more austerity and cuts in public spending... But it should be an increase in taxes on the rich and corporations Abandoning the whole Brexit thing would be a good idea too because that’s going to hit like a fucking train Buy British instead of spending money in the EU is better for the UK economy. Like what? shop at your local butchers and greengrocers for a start. That’ll resurrect the British manufacturing industry overnight...
Tbh there isn’t that much choice when it comes to British made products, my socks were British made though support your local farmers,fishermen (a bit hard in manchester i guess) theres plenty of british made stuff if you look.
Give me some examples.? My clothes are mainly Italian or American my devices are Apple (China) or Japanese , my car is German , my wine is French or Italian, my whiskey is American or Japanese and Scottish . What can I buy to replace these items that add British made? plenty of British made cloths mate,you can also buy british phones,british wine,british made cars and a far as im aware scotish whisky is british unless they have got independence in the last 1/2 hour.Its not hard to source these things have a look you will be surprised.
British wine isnt very nice tbh, what British phones? I know Scottish whiskey is British and it is true that we make some decent clothes, they just tend to be very expensive and I prefer Italian . British made cars are an option but they aren’t made by British owned companies . Wine is a matter of taste i agree but there are some excellent British wines the phones are british tech and companies are stk,wileyfox,storm although they are produced in china as most are but british companies. You like italian cloths but are they made in italy or in asia like most are?
The ones I buy are made in Italy , if there were good quality British alternatives then I would consider buying them . "Interestingly some of the finest yarns in Italy and France are sent to Huddersfield to be finished due to the softness and quality of the water. They are then sent back to make those fine suits. | |||
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"It's like being back in the 50s
I wish it was , we had some very good British made and British owned products, where are those same products now?"I don't. My sexuality would be a crime. | |||
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"Massive borrowing on the way, what can the chancellor do? Sensible or funnies. I’ll start with how about selling Scotland to the Scottish, win win? " Cancel brexit simple | |||
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"Massive borrowing on the way, what can the chancellor do? Sensible or funnies. I’ll start with how about selling Scotland to the Scottish, win win? Cancel brexit simple" you cant cancel it we are out ,you are beginning to sound like trump. | |||
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"Massive borrowing on the way, what can the chancellor do? Sensible or funnies. I’ll start with how about selling Scotland to the Scottish, win win? Cancel brexit simple you cant cancel it we are out ,you are beginning to sound like trump. "Actually it can still be cancelled up until the end of transition period and even beyond. It won't bit here's more chance of it happening than the op suggestions Actually on another point, I'm waiting for your tangible benefits that aren't just aspiration but then again i may as well ask Boris how many children he has fathered or ask trump for evidence of voter fraud. Hopefully for all our sakes there will be benefits and they won't be outweighed by disadvantages but with a few weeks to go it ain't looking likely. | |||
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"maybe he could use some of the family.money he failed to declare to parliament to help out those less fortunate ? " He actually followed the rules and declared what he was legaly bound to do. Why is it some expect people who have made it in this world to just give it away? They work for it and so are entitled to it | |||
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"Massive borrowing on the way, what can the chancellor do? Sensible or funnies. I’ll start with how about selling Scotland to the Scottish, win win? Cancel brexit simple" Cancel something that's already happened legally? Would you give the people a vote on this | |||
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"maybe he could use some of the family.money he failed to declare to parliament to help out those less fortunate ? He actually followed the rules and declared what he was legaly bound to do. Why is it some expect people who have made it in this world to just give it away? They work for it and so are entitled to it "If you marry someone who is wealthy.. how is that working for it? | |||
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"He can't. The gap is an abyss. Even taxing the fuck out of the rich - who, after 10 years of austerity, are the only ones with any money left - won't be enough. He never even mentioned the Brexit effect on the economy. Had he been sure it would be positive, he would have. Wouldn't he? Also, even with workable vaccines heaving into view by the Spring, Sunak is expecting over 2.5m people unemployed by the Summer. To be fair to him, he's done his socialist best to limit it to that awful figure. No Furlough; it's even worse. I just hope that all those who do become unemployed get more sympathy and help than the miners, steelworkers, dockers and shipbuilders did, in the 1980's. They probably will; because so many more of them will live further south and (mostly) come from non-essential service industries. If they do, that's small progress - but it's better than none." They will fiddle the unemployment figures for sure ,in the 80 they changed the way unemployment was counted 22 times each time reducing unemployment | |||
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"Massive borrowing on the way, what can the chancellor do? Sensible or funnies. I’ll start with how about selling Scotland to the Scottish, win win? Cancel brexit simple you cant cancel it we are out ,you are beginning to sound like trump.
Actually it can still be cancelled up until the end of transition period and even beyond.
It won't bit here's more chance of it happening than the op suggestions
Actually on another point, I'm waiting for your tangible benefits that aren't just aspiration but then again i may as well ask Boris how many children he has fathered or ask trump for evidence of voter fraud.
Hopefully for all our sakes there will be benefits and they won't be outweighed by disadvantages but with a few weeks to go it ain't looking likely.
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"maybe he could use some of the family.money he failed to declare to parliament to help out those less fortunate ? He actually followed the rules and declared what he was legaly bound to do. Why is it some expect people who have made it in this world to just give it away? They work for it and so are entitled to it
If you marry someone who is wealthy.. how is that working for it?"It’s family money and he has invested whatever he had and done well so why should he give any up just to satisfy someone else’s opinion? I don’t begrudge anyone their wealth we all make our own way In this world some make it some don’t . Let’s face it he doesn’t have to work  he does it because he wants to not out of need so to put yourself in the firing line for Tory hater is not something I would do so I take my hat off to him and wish him nothing but well | |||
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"Massive borrowing on the way, what can the chancellor do? Sensible or funnies. I’ll start with how about selling Scotland to the Scottish, win win? Cancel brexit simple you cant cancel it we are out ,you are beginning to sound like trump.
Actually it can still be cancelled up until the end of transition period and even beyond.
It won't bit here's more chance of it happening than the op suggestions
Actually on another point, I'm waiting for your tangible benefits that aren't just aspiration but then again i may as well ask Boris how many children he has fathered or ask trump for evidence of voter fraud.
Hopefully for all our sakes there will be benefits and they won't be outweighed by disadvantages but with a few weeks to go it ain't looking likely.
No it cant we left on the 1st january .the uk would have to re join and that wont happen."Oh we will, in all but name,and on their terms and with absolutely no say in the rules they apply to imports from the uk. Anyway we can discuss in 6 months maybe there will be at least one benefit by then. | |||
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"maybe he could use some of the family.money he failed to declare to parliament to help out those less fortunate ? He actually followed the rules and declared what he was legaly bound to do. Why is it some expect people who have made it in this world to just give it away? They work for it and so are entitled to it
If you marry someone who is wealthy.. how is that working for it?
It’s family money and he has invested whatever he had and done well so why should he give any up just to satisfy someone else’s opinion?
I don’t begrudge anyone their wealth we all make our own way In this world some make it some don’t .
Let’s face it he doesn’t have to work he does it because he wants to not out of need so to put yourself in the firing line for Tory hater is not something I would do so I take my hat off to him and wish him nothing but well "He isnt going to give it away but he comes from a fairly wealthy family and has married into money,so he has hardly had it tough The notion that the everyone who is rich has worked hard all their lives is a bit fanciful. You can do 12 hrs days,7 days a week and still be poor. | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor." Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work? | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work?" You sound very envious of people with money. | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work?You sound very envious of people with money." I think its wrong that families have to survive on buttons whilst millionaires get paid grands for a few hours work. It's called common decency. | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work?You sound very envious of people with money. I think its wrong that families have to survive on buttons whilst millionaires get paid grands for a few hours work. It's called common decency." how much do you think your hero corbyn is worth? | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work?You sound very envious of people with money. I think its wrong that families have to survive on buttons whilst millionaires get paid grands for a few hours work. It's called common decency.how much do you think your hero corbyn is worth?" Literally no idea what you are on about | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work?You sound very envious of people with money. I think its wrong that families have to survive on buttons whilst millionaires get paid grands for a few hours work. It's called common decency.how much do you think your hero corbyn is worth? Literally no idea what you are on about " well estimates say between 3 to 4.5 million do you think he earnt that on an mp,s salary bearing in mind he has also had 2 divorces and i know how much they cost.  | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work?You sound very envious of people with money. I think its wrong that families have to survive on buttons whilst millionaires get paid grands for a few hours work. It's called common decency.how much do you think your hero corbyn is worth? Literally no idea what you are on about well estimates say between 3 to 4.5 million do you think he earnt that on an mp,s salary bearing in mind he has also had 2 divorces and i know how much they cost. "So..he should have worked for free? | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work?You sound very envious of people with money. I think its wrong that families have to survive on buttons whilst millionaires get paid grands for a few hours work. It's called common decency.how much do you think your hero corbyn is worth? Literally no idea what you are on about well estimates say between 3 to 4.5 million do you think he earnt that on an mp,s salary bearing in mind he has also had 2 divorces and i know how much they cost.
So..he should have worked for free?"Not at all thats what im saying if you are just content being a roadsweeper for example dont expect to get consulting jobs that pay big bucks. | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work?You sound very envious of people with money. I think its wrong that families have to survive on buttons whilst millionaires get paid grands for a few hours work. It's called common decency.how much do you think your hero corbyn is worth? Literally no idea what you are on about well estimates say between 3 to 4.5 million do you think he earnt that on an mp,s salary bearing in mind he has also had 2 divorces and i know how much they cost.
So..he should have worked for free?Not at all thats what im saying if you are just content being a roadsweeper for example dont expect to get consulting jobs that pay big bucks."Possibly the most naive post I've ever read. You think inequality is down to personal choice? | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work?You sound very envious of people with money. I think its wrong that families have to survive on buttons whilst millionaires get paid grands for a few hours work. It's called common decency.how much do you think your hero corbyn is worth? Literally no idea what you are on about well estimates say between 3 to 4.5 million do you think he earnt that on an mp,s salary bearing in mind he has also had 2 divorces and i know how much they cost.
So..he should have worked for free?"So, it’s wrong and against common decency for millionaires to make money unless it JC? As someone not a million miles away said recently” It’s beyond parody!” | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work?You sound very envious of people with money. I think its wrong that families have to survive on buttons whilst millionaires get paid grands for a few hours work. It's called common decency.how much do you think your hero corbyn is worth? Literally no idea what you are on about well estimates say between 3 to 4.5 million do you think he earnt that on an mp,s salary bearing in mind he has also had 2 divorces and i know how much they cost.
So..he should have worked for free?
So, it’s wrong and against common decency for millionaires to make money unless it JC?
As someone not a million miles away said recently” It’s beyond parody!”"If you could point out the bit where my words said..it is wrong for millionaires to make money that would be grand | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work?You sound very envious of people with money. I think its wrong that families have to survive on buttons whilst millionaires get paid grands for a few hours work. It's called common decency.how much do you think your hero corbyn is worth? Literally no idea what you are on about well estimates say between 3 to 4.5 million do you think he earnt that on an mp,s salary bearing in mind he has also had 2 divorces and i know how much they cost.
So..he should have worked for free?
So, it’s wrong and against common decency for millionaires to make money unless it JC?
As someone not a million miles away said recently” It’s beyond parody!”
If you could point out the bit where my words said..it is wrong for millionaires to make money that would be grand
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work?You sound very envious of people with money. I think its wrong that families have to survive on buttons whilst millionaires get paid grands for a few hours work. It's called common decency.how much do you think your hero corbyn is worth? Literally no idea what you are on about well estimates say between 3 to 4.5 million do you think he earnt that on an mp,s salary bearing in mind he has also had 2 divorces and i know how much they cost.
So..he should have worked for free?Not at all thats what im saying if you are just content being a roadsweeper for example dont expect to get consulting jobs that pay big bucks.
Possibly the most naive post I've ever read.
You think inequality is down to personal choice?"I think you can choose to educate yourself go to university get a degree and improve your job opportunities and wages or be content not to thats a personal choice yes. | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work?You sound very envious of people with money. I think its wrong that families have to survive on buttons whilst millionaires get paid grands for a few hours work. It's called common decency.how much do you think your hero corbyn is worth? Literally no idea what you are on about well estimates say between 3 to 4.5 million do you think he earnt that on an mp,s salary bearing in mind he has also had 2 divorces and i know how much they cost.
So..he should have worked for free?
So, it’s wrong and against common decency for millionaires to make money unless it JC?
As someone not a million miles away said recently” It’s beyond parody!”
If you could point out the bit where my words said..it is wrong for millionaires to make money that would be grand
So it is OK then?"Cheers | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work?You sound very envious of people with money. I think its wrong that families have to survive on buttons whilst millionaires get paid grands for a few hours work. It's called common decency.how much do you think your hero corbyn is worth? Literally no idea what you are on about well estimates say between 3 to 4.5 million do you think he earnt that on an mp,s salary bearing in mind he has also had 2 divorces and i know how much they cost.
So..he should have worked for free?Not at all thats what im saying if you are just content being a roadsweeper for example dont expect to get consulting jobs that pay big bucks.
Possibly the most naive post I've ever read.
You think inequality is down to personal choice?I think you can choose to educate yourself go to university get a degree and improve your job opportunities and wages or be content not to thats a personal choice yes. "Do we live In a truly meritocratic society? | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work?You sound very envious of people with money. I think its wrong that families have to survive on buttons whilst millionaires get paid grands for a few hours work. It's called common decency.how much do you think your hero corbyn is worth? Literally no idea what you are on about well estimates say between 3 to 4.5 million do you think he earnt that on an mp,s salary bearing in mind he has also had 2 divorces and i know how much they cost.
So..he should have worked for free?
So, it’s wrong and against common decency for millionaires to make money unless it JC?
As someone not a million miles away said recently” It’s beyond parody!”
If you could point out the bit where my words said..it is wrong for millionaires to make money that would be grand
So it is OK then?
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work?You sound very envious of people with money. I think its wrong that families have to survive on buttons whilst millionaires get paid grands for a few hours work. It's called common decency.how much do you think your hero corbyn is worth? Literally no idea what you are on about well estimates say between 3 to 4.5 million do you think he earnt that on an mp,s salary bearing in mind he has also had 2 divorces and i know how much they cost.
So..he should have worked for free?Not at all thats what im saying if you are just content being a roadsweeper for example dont expect to get consulting jobs that pay big bucks.
Possibly the most naive post I've ever read.
You think inequality is down to personal choice?I think you can choose to educate yourself go to university get a degree and improve your job opportunities and wages or be content not to thats a personal choice yes.
Do we live In a truly meritocratic society?"There is nothing stopping anyone in the uk getting an education mate its individual choice if you care to make the most of it and how far to go with it. | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work?You sound very envious of people with money. I think its wrong that families have to survive on buttons whilst millionaires get paid grands for a few hours work. It's called common decency.how much do you think your hero corbyn is worth? Literally no idea what you are on about well estimates say between 3 to 4.5 million do you think he earnt that on an mp,s salary bearing in mind he has also had 2 divorces and i know how much they cost.
So..he should have worked for free?Not at all thats what im saying if you are just content being a roadsweeper for example dont expect to get consulting jobs that pay big bucks.
Possibly the most naive post I've ever read.
You think inequality is down to personal choice?I think you can choose to educate yourself go to university get a degree and improve your job opportunities and wages or be content not to thats a personal choice yes.
Do we live In a truly meritocratic society?There is nothing stopping anyone in the uk getting an education mate its individual choice if you care to make the most of it and how far to go with it."
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Less than 30 grand after tax And if you have got a house,car,a family to support? Whereas the likes of grayling gets paid 6k for a few hours work?You sound very envious of people with money. I think its wrong that families have to survive on buttons whilst millionaires get paid grands for a few hours work. It's called common decency.how much do you think your hero corbyn is worth? Literally no idea what you are on about well estimates say between 3 to 4.5 million do you think he earnt that on an mp,s salary bearing in mind he has also had 2 divorces and i know how much they cost.
So..he should have worked for free?Not at all thats what im saying if you are just content being a roadsweeper for example dont expect to get consulting jobs that pay big bucks.
Possibly the most naive post I've ever read.
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"I have no idea on the background to the chancellor's family but many wealthy families build that wealth over many generations, they pass it down to the next who add more and do the same. Got to laugh at our friend from Liverpool who cant understand a very simple/question about Corbyn and his wealth, I wonder how much Tony Blair is worth and how much he earns for a few minutes speaking. " What exactly was the question? Whataboutery at its finest And if you think I'm going to defend Blair you haven't been paying attention. | |||
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"Extend the terms of debt over a longer period so we have no need to resort to austerity. Interest will be harsh though. Has there really been a suggestion that he should consider using some of his personal wealth "There was a post earlier on which said he should use some of his own money I said he wont give it away but the usual suspects have conveniently ignored that, but and jezza has rather surprisingly been pulled into the debate. | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor." Shit quality of life though . | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Shit quality of life though . " It was an extreme example aswell. If you work full time on minimum wage,I think its probally around 15k a year | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Shit quality of life though . " That is true, but isnt the point in his argument, 36 grand a year isnt poor | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Shit quality of life though . That is true, but isnt the point in his argument, 36 grand a year isnt poor " If you are supporting 2 kids and a wife? | |||
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"I have no idea on the background to the chancellor's family but many wealthy families build that wealth over many generations, they pass it down to the next who add more and do the same. Got to laugh at our friend from Liverpool who cant understand a very simple/question about Corbyn and his wealth, I wonder how much Tony Blair is worth and how much he earns for a few minutes speaking. " The old money in the U.K. such as the stately homes we love to visit was often taken off the locals by force and given to loyal subjects of the king, for actions such as killing others for the kings. There a lot of blood in those families histories not all hard work. Recent riches are worked hard for but rarely taxed fairly. Legally yes but not fairly. I like Rishi but he hasn’t earned his family’s or his wife’s money. He’s an MP but fuck me he will be in big demand when he walks away and joins the city board rooms. | |||
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"Extend the terms of debt over a longer period so we have no need to resort to austerity. Interest will be harsh though. Has there really been a suggestion that he should consider using some of his personal wealth
There was a post earlier on which said he should use some of his own money
I said he wont give it away but the usual suspects have conveniently ignored that, but and jezza has rather surprisingly been pulled into the debate. "What a suggestion. Peoples personal wealth shouldn’t come into it bit like when people suggested the same about Marcus Rashford. | |||
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"Extend the terms of debt over a longer period so we have no need to resort to austerity. Interest will be harsh though. Has there really been a suggestion that he should consider using some of his personal wealth "There was for Rashford too if I remember and again utter rubbish to suggest it. | |||
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"Extend the terms of debt over a longer period so we have no need to resort to austerity. Interest will be harsh though. Has there really been a suggestion that he should consider using some of his personal wealth
There was a post earlier on which said he should use some of his own money
I said he wont give it away but the usual suspects have conveniently ignored that, but and jezza has rather surprisingly been pulled into the debate.
What a suggestion. Peoples personal wealth shouldn’t come into it bit like when people suggested the same about Marcus Rashford.
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Shit quality of life though . That is true, but isnt the point in his argument, 36 grand a year isnt poor " Working at that rate realistically for 48 hours a week is very low to support a family very well. Poor is relative. They won’t starve. Apparently we have 14 million in poverty in this country due to the way its measured on averages. . Rubbish. Abject poverty is what we should measure. | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Shit quality of life though . That is true, but isnt the point in his argument, 36 grand a year isnt poor Working at that rate realistically for 48 hours a week is very low to support a family very well. Poor is relative. They won’t starve. Apparently we have 14 million in poverty in this country due to the way its measured on averages. . Rubbish. Abject poverty is what we should measure. " Isnt The average wage 27k? So if you have got kids to feed etc on 3grand more, you are loaded apparently. | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Shit quality of life though . That is true, but isnt the point in his argument, 36 grand a year isnt poor Working at that rate realistically for 48 hours a week is very low to support a family very well. Poor is relative. They won’t starve. Apparently we have 14 million in poverty in this country due to the way its measured on averages. . Rubbish. Abject poverty is what we should measure. Isnt The average wage 27k? So if you have got kids to feed etc on 3grand more, you are loaded apparently. " Wages should be higher and make the gap between benefits greater. The only way you can raise wages is better education and therefore better skilled jobs in the economy. We can’t compete with the Far East on cheap manufacturing jobs. Buying British where we can would certainly help but we don’t make that much anymore. | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Shit quality of life though . That is true, but isnt the point in his argument, 36 grand a year isnt poor Working at that rate realistically for 48 hours a week is very low to support a family very well. Poor is relative. They won’t starve. Apparently we have 14 million in poverty in this country due to the way its measured on averages. . Rubbish. Abject poverty is what we should measure. Isnt The average wage 27k? So if you have got kids to feed etc on 3grand more, you are loaded apparently. Wages should be higher and make the gap between benefits greater. The only way you can raise wages is better education and therefore better skilled jobs in the economy. We can’t compete with the Far East on cheap manufacturing jobs. Buying British where we can would certainly help but we don’t make that much anymore. " True but still the 8 or 9th biggest manufacturer in the world | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Shit quality of life though . That is true, but isnt the point in his argument, 36 grand a year isnt poor Working at that rate realistically for 48 hours a week is very low to support a family very well. Poor is relative. They won’t starve. Apparently we have 14 million in poverty in this country due to the way its measured on averages. . Rubbish. Abject poverty is what we should measure. Isnt The average wage 27k? So if you have got kids to feed etc on 3grand more, you are loaded apparently. Wages should be higher and make the gap between benefits greater. The only way you can raise wages is better education and therefore better skilled jobs in the economy. We can’t compete with the Far East on cheap manufacturing jobs. Buying British where we can would certainly help but we don’t make that much anymore. " 1.8% of global manufacturing is British. Buying local is better for the environment, but realistically won't solve our issues. | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Shit quality of life though . That is true, but isnt the point in his argument, 36 grand a year isnt poor Working at that rate realistically for 48 hours a week is very low to support a family very well. Poor is relative. They won’t starve. Apparently we have 14 million in poverty in this country due to the way its measured on averages. . Rubbish. Abject poverty is what we should measure. Isnt The average wage 27k? So if you have got kids to feed etc on 3grand more, you are loaded apparently. Wages should be higher and make the gap between benefits greater. The only way you can raise wages is better education and therefore better skilled jobs in the economy. We can’t compete with the Far East on cheap manufacturing jobs. Buying British where we can would certainly help but we don’t make that much anymore. " There are only so many "skilled" jobs,we are producing far too many graduates that have degrees that are of no use to anyone the growth area for jobs is in the care sector and in tourism, building sector trades are short of labour too, Blairs idea of education education education has led to far too many going to uni instead of doing apprenticeships in well paying practical jobs. Pen pushers generate no wealth they just shuffle it around, the pandemic has shown who is valuable and required to keep the world turning and it's not the pen pushers | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Shit quality of life though . That is true, but isnt the point in his argument, 36 grand a year isnt poor Working at that rate realistically for 48 hours a week is very low to support a family very well. Poor is relative. They won’t starve. Apparently we have 14 million in poverty in this country due to the way its measured on averages. . Rubbish. Abject poverty is what we should measure. Isnt The average wage 27k? So if you have got kids to feed etc on 3grand more, you are loaded apparently. Wages should be higher and make the gap between benefits greater. The only way you can raise wages is better education and therefore better skilled jobs in the economy. We can’t compete with the Far East on cheap manufacturing jobs. Buying British where we can would certainly help but we don’t make that much anymore. There are only so many "skilled" jobs,we are producing far too many graduates that have degrees that are of no use to anyone the growth area for jobs is in the care sector and in tourism, building sector trades are short of labour too, Blairs idea of education education education has led to far too many going to uni instead of doing apprenticeships in well paying practical jobs. Pen pushers generate no wealth they just shuffle it around, the pandemic has shown who is valuable and required to keep the world turning and it's not the pen pushers" I agree with you We should follow the German example of twin streams in ten same school . Academic and vocational . They both have the same value status . We need both. Sadly we have a class system that looks down on crafts and trades. | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor. Shit quality of life though . That is true, but isnt the point in his argument, 36 grand a year isnt poor Working at that rate realistically for 48 hours a week is very low to support a family very well. Poor is relative. They won’t starve. Apparently we have 14 million in poverty in this country due to the way its measured on averages. . Rubbish. Abject poverty is what we should measure. Isnt The average wage 27k? So if you have got kids to feed etc on 3grand more, you are loaded apparently. Wages should be higher and make the gap between benefits greater. The only way you can raise wages is better education and therefore better skilled jobs in the economy. We can’t compete with the Far East on cheap manufacturing jobs. Buying British where we can would certainly help but we don’t make that much anymore. There are only so many "skilled" jobs,we are producing far too many graduates that have degrees that are of no use to anyone the growth area for jobs is in the care sector and in tourism, building sector trades are short of labour too, Blairs idea of education education education has led to far too many going to uni instead of doing apprenticeships in well paying practical jobs. Pen pushers generate no wealth they just shuffle it around, the pandemic has shown who is valuable and required to keep the world turning and it's not the pen pushers" Benefits agency and council workers to make sure people were allocated the money to survive and receive the correct payments.They also ensured the usual day to day essential services were carried out(ie bin collections) Criminal record checks so volunteers could work through the pandemic Admin staff in countless organisations,(police,ambulance, hospitals, prisons to make sure essential system stayed running. A lot of these people actually went into work,whilst a lot of others were furloughed. Still what use are they eh? | |||
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"I remember Cameron talking about cuts in the emergency services and said front line services wouldn't be affected David Mitchell suggested that ambulances would drive round aimlessly hoping to find someone who needs medical attention. Pen pushers,standard daily mail Villan " For someone on the left, you quote the Daily Mail a hell of a lot! | |||
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"I remember Cameron talking about cuts in the emergency services and said front line services wouldn't be affected David Mitchell suggested that ambulances would drive round aimlessly hoping to find someone who needs medical attention. Pen pushers,standard daily mail Villan For someone on the left, you quote the Daily Mail a hell of a lot!" https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2028092/amp/NHS-spends-16m-hiring-pen-pushers-meant-getting-rid-them.html | |||
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"I remember Cameron talking about cuts in the emergency services and said front line services wouldn't be affected David Mitchell suggested that ambulances would drive round aimlessly hoping to find someone who needs medical attention. Pen pushers,standard daily mail Villan For someone on the left, you quote the Daily Mail a hell of a lot! https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2028092/amp/NHS-spends-16m-hiring-pen-pushers-meant-getting-rid-them.html" You missed the irony! | |||
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"I remember Cameron talking about cuts in the emergency services and said front line services wouldn't be affected David Mitchell suggested that ambulances would drive round aimlessly hoping to find someone who needs medical attention. Pen pushers,standard daily mail Villan For someone on the left, you quote the Daily Mail a hell of a lot! https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2028092/amp/NHS-spends-16m-hiring-pen-pushers-meant-getting-rid-them.html You missed the irony!" What irony? | |||
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"I remember Cameron talking about cuts in the emergency services and said front line services wouldn't be affected David Mitchell suggested that ambulances would drive round aimlessly hoping to find someone who needs medical attention. Pen pushers,standard daily mail Villan " Layers and layers of management in most public services do absolutely nothing of any use, just ask the front line staff, k is nhs and I have seen first hand how much money is wasted by these incompetent. The mod employs more pen pushers than there are combat troops sailors etc, in my business we have defra, EA, RPA among others they couldnt run a piss up in a brewery . | |||
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"I remember Cameron talking about cuts in the emergency services and said front line services wouldn't be affected David Mitchell suggested that ambulances would drive round aimlessly hoping to find someone who needs medical attention. Pen pushers,standard daily mail Villan For someone on the left, you quote the Daily Mail a hell of a lot! https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2028092/amp/NHS-spends-16m-hiring-pen-pushers-meant-getting-rid-them.html You missed the irony! What irony?" If I have to explain, it loses its effect! I’m still waiting to hear of where there are any meritocratic societies? | |||
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"I remember Cameron talking about cuts in the emergency services and said front line services wouldn't be affected David Mitchell suggested that ambulances would drive round aimlessly hoping to find someone who needs medical attention. Pen pushers,standard daily mail Villan Layers and layers of management in most public services do absolutely nothing of any use, just ask the front line staff, k is nhs and I have seen first hand how much money is wasted by these incompetent. The mod employs more pen pushers than there are combat troops sailors etc, in my business we have defra, EA, RPA among others they couldnt run a piss up in a brewery ." Ok get rid of all the pen pushers in the nhs for example? Who hires the staff? Who ensures they are paid? Who orders the medicene/equipment Who endures the hospital isnt over run? Who ensures the medication is correct? Who ensures all staff are vetted? Just off the top of my head. | |||
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"As for public sector waste. The public services.. including policie and ambulance have been slashed to the bone in the last decade." No they haven't, have a close look at the number of managers, they wont be less. In K's area there are less front line staff as they are working more efficiently but there are more managers now than when she moved here in 2004. Of course some pen pushers are needed in every work place but the level I see in my area of business is completely ott. | |||
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"As for public sector waste. The public services.. including policie and ambulance have been slashed to the bone in the last decade. No they haven't, have a close look at the number of managers, they wont be less. In K's area there are less front line staff as they are working more efficiently but there are more managers now than when she moved here in 2004. Of course some pen pushers are needed in every work place but the level I see in my area of business is completely ott. " In the NHS there are too many managers not too many admin . In a recent visit to an outpatient ward there were at leat 4 doctors seeing patients and a nurse for each doctor to take. Ores backwards and forwards . There was only one receptionist to greet the patients prepare the notes and answer the phones. She was definitely earning her money . An ex of mine told me how ridiculously top heavy the NHS is with managers and directors. She had more managers than front line staff at her unit . They don’t need more money or less low level admin they need to cull the managers and directors . I agree with Lionel that a lot of what we don’t see is needed though . Just because we don’t see it isn’t an excuse to get rid. The police needs far more resource and the carers along with cleaners need far more money. | |||
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"As for public sector waste. The public services.. including policie and ambulance have been slashed to the bone in the last decade. No they haven't, have a close look at the number of managers, they wont be less. In K's area there are less front line staff as they are working more efficiently but there are more managers now than when she moved here in 2004. Of course some pen pushers are needed in every work place but the level I see in my area of business is completely ott. In the NHS there are too many managers not too many admin . In a recent visit to an outpatient ward there were at leat 4 doctors seeing patients and a nurse for each doctor to take. Ores backwards and forwards . There was only one receptionist to greet the patients prepare the notes and answer the phones. She was definitely earning her money . An ex of mine told me how ridiculously top heavy the NHS is with managers and directors. She had more managers than front line staff at her unit . They don’t need more money or less low level admin they need to cull the managers and directors . I agree with Lionel that a lot of what we don’t see is needed though . Just because we don’t see it isn’t an excuse to get rid. The police needs far more resource and the carers along with cleaners need far more money. " spot on mate I think carers need to be on a lot more than they get don’t think ppl understand just what they do in care homes they are much more important than the nurses | |||
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"12 hrs a day 7 days a week for 50 wks a year is 36 grand, not sure that is being poor." its also illigal for now ............... | |||
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"I remember Cameron talking about cuts in the emergency services and said front line services wouldn't be affected David Mitchell suggested that ambulances would drive round aimlessly hoping to find someone who needs medical attention. Pen pushers,standard daily mail Villan For someone on the left, you quote the Daily Mail a hell of a lot! https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2028092/amp/NHS-spends-16m-hiring-pen-pushers-meant-getting-rid-them.html You missed the irony! What irony? If I have to explain, it loses its effect! I’m still waiting to hear of where there are any meritocratic societies? " The entire basis of your every argument seems to based on whataboutery Just because something doesnt work in another country,is no excuse for it to happen here. I've no idea about the levels of meritocracy in every other country on the planet, as quite frankly its irrelevant.As a guess some are better, some are worse. In all capitalist societies, if you are born into wealth,you have a better chance in life. It's how you address these inequalities which is the key. A gmnt which refuses to acknowledge such inequalities exist,a private school system, an elitist universities culture,old school class issues and a vicious right wing media which demonizes the victim, isnt a great start. | |||
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"Eh......Selling Scottish to the Scottish. What pish is this! We have been stolen from since time immemorial. If this were not the case then why would the Tories shit themselves that we should go Indepenendent? Very simple. Canary Wharf built on what was stolen in Oil times. If we were not a massive contributor to UK finances, the Tories would be keen for us to have Independence. The day will come - as soon as possible." fingers crossed lol | |||
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"I remember Cameron talking about cuts in the emergency services and said front line services wouldn't be affected David Mitchell suggested that ambulances would drive round aimlessly hoping to find someone who needs medical attention. Pen pushers,standard daily mail Villan For someone on the left, you quote the Daily Mail a hell of a lot! https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2028092/amp/NHS-spends-16m-hiring-pen-pushers-meant-getting-rid-them.html You missed the irony! What irony? If I have to explain, it loses its effect! I’m still waiting to hear of where there are any meritocratic societies? The entire basis of your every argument seems to based on whataboutery Just because something doesnt work in another country,is no excuse for it to happen here. I've no idea about the levels of meritocracy in every other country on the planet, as quite frankly its irrelevant.As a guess some are better, some are worse. In all capitalist societies, if you are born into wealth,you have a better chance in life. It's how you address these inequalities which is the key. A gmnt which refuses to acknowledge such inequalities exist,a private school system, an elitist universities culture,old school class issues and a vicious right wing media which demonizes the victim, isnt a great start. " Please explain what you mean about whataboutery? You asked the question of another poster “ does a truly meritocratic society exist in this country? ‘ I simply asked does such a society exist anywhere? If it does, I’d be very interested to discover more about it. Here’s a thought Linus. Instead of ranting and railing on a swingers website about all the injustices and inequalities in this capitalistic and Tory ( other political parties are available) society, why not get off your arse and set up your own meritocratic society? You could have your own commune and I’m sure there will be sufficient acolytes from here that will help you establish it. It would be like having your own harem and you could go and live in your perfect idyll. What could go wrong? Oh, apart from the fact that even in such a society you may not get the rewards or achievements You feel your efforts deserve. | |||
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