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over a year ago
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The first 2 killed were an 10 and 12 year old who were shot on a wall watching the game
One was a player shot while playing the game his name was Micheal Hogan
Another was shot whilst kneeling giving the act of contrition to a dying Hogan
Another was shot whilst helping people to get over a wall,he was ex British Army and wearing his service jacket
Nearly all were shot in the back
The oldest was 55
Over a 100 were injured and 14 were innocent civilians were murdered whilst watching a Gaelic Football game
No-one was ever investigated or convicted of any crime by the British Authorities
We remember them all this weekend in Ireland
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"The first 2 killed were an 10 and 12 year old who were shot on a wall watching the game
One was a player shot while playing the game his name was Micheal Hogan
Another was shot whilst kneeling giving the act of contrition to a dying Hogan
Another was shot whilst helping people to get over a wall,he was ex British Army and wearing his service jacket
Nearly all were shot in the back
The oldest was 55
Over a 100 were injured and 14 were innocent civilians were murdered whilst watching a Gaelic Football game
No-one was ever investigated or convicted of any crime by the British Authorities
We remember them all this weekend in Ireland
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The innocent slaughtered by the IRA didn't even get a chance to run and be shot in the back.
Please condemn that too |
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"The first 2 killed were an 10 and 12 year old who were shot on a wall watching the game
One was a player shot while playing the game his name was Micheal Hogan
Another was shot whilst kneeling giving the act of contrition to a dying Hogan
Another was shot whilst helping people to get over a wall,he was ex British Army and wearing his service jacket
Nearly all were shot in the back
The oldest was 55
Over a 100 were injured and 14 were innocent civilians were murdered whilst watching a Gaelic Football game
No-one was ever investigated or convicted of any crime by the British Authorities
We remember them all this weekend in Ireland
The innocent slaughtered by the IRA didn't even get a chance to run and be shot in the back.
Please condemn that too "
The fact that you are blind to the atrocities carried out by the British in Ireland says a lot about you
We will be commentating this event in Ireland regardless of your ilk
I won’t be addressing any more comments from you
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It was part of a time when as with any internal civil war there were wrongs committed on all sides and like any historical hindsight it should be looked at in the whole..
The peace there is now in all of the counties of the island notwithstanding the minorities intent on furthering more division is not to be taken for granted.. |
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"It was part of a time when as with any internal civil war there were wrongs committed on all sides and like any historical hindsight it should be looked at in the whole..
The peace there is now in all of the counties of the island notwithstanding the minorities intent on furthering more division is not to be taken for granted.."
Sorry, what? How was it "an internal civil war"? 
It was a war fought between Irish people, the vast majority of whom had voted for SF in the election of 1918 and for their policy of forming an independent Republic, and the British army of occupation who were there to suppress the democratic wishes of the Irish people. |
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"It was part of a time when as with any internal civil war there were wrongs committed on all sides and like any historical hindsight it should be looked at in the whole..
The peace there is now in all of the counties of the island notwithstanding the minorities intent on furthering more division is not to be taken for granted..
Sorry, what? How was it "an internal civil war"?
It was a war fought between Irish people, the vast majority of whom had voted for SF in the election of 1918 and for their policy of forming an independent Republic, and the British army of occupation who were there to suppress the democratic wishes of the Irish people. "
Good point, my use of the word internal wasn't intended to deny the involvement of the British government on one side of the war..
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"It was part of a time when as with any internal civil war there were wrongs committed on all sides and like any historical hindsight it should be looked at in the whole..
The peace there is now in all of the counties of the island notwithstanding the minorities intent on furthering more division is not to be taken for granted..
Sorry, what? How was it "an internal civil war"?
It was a war fought between Irish people, the vast majority of whom had voted for SF in the election of 1918 and for their policy of forming an independent Republic, and the British army of occupation who were there to suppress the democratic wishes of the Irish people.
Good point, my use of the word internal wasn't intended to deny the involvement of the British government on one side of the war..
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Both internal and civil were incorrect in the context of the time. Wars are not pretty though and that's fair enough. |
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"It was part of a time when as with any internal civil war there were wrongs committed on all sides and like any historical hindsight it should be looked at in the whole..
The peace there is now in all of the counties of the island notwithstanding the minorities intent on furthering more division is not to be taken for granted..
Sorry, what? How was it "an internal civil war"?
It was a war fought between Irish people, the vast majority of whom had voted for SF in the election of 1918 and for their policy of forming an independent Republic, and the British army of occupation who were there to suppress the democratic wishes of the Irish people.
Good point, my use of the word internal wasn't intended to deny the involvement of the British government on one side of the war..
Both internal and civil were incorrect in the context of the time. Wars are not pretty though and that's fair enough. "
Agreed..
As with many such things some people on all sides will use the cause to settle scores and further their own personal aims.. |
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
I knew it would kick off here.
Instead of beating around the bush, call the troubles and all the conflicts between the two sides the way it should be called: a war. And once you call it a war, everything falls into place.
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
What about the disappeared ? You know the ones who were dragged out of their beds in the night taken away beaten half to death and then shot and got rid of ?
What about the explosions that killed and maimed in the name of self appointed toy soldiers 
1920 how far do you want to keep on going back ? How about them Romans eh!
It’s about time everyone stopped living in the past and started concentrating on the future.
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"What about the disappeared ? You know the ones who were dragged out of their beds in the night taken away beaten half to death and then shot and got rid of ?
What about the explosions that killed and maimed in the name of self appointed toy soldiers
1920 how far do you want to keep on going back ? How about them Romans eh!
It’s about time everyone stopped living in the past and started concentrating on the future.
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We either learn the mistakes of the past or we just keep on making them..
Acknowledgments of the wrongs done is a far better position to be in than just shrugging shoulders and saying oh well..
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"What about the disappeared ? You know the ones who were dragged out of their beds in the night taken away beaten half to death and then shot and got rid of ?
What about the explosions that killed and maimed in the name of self appointed toy soldiers
1920 how far do you want to keep on going back ? How about them Romans eh!
It’s about time everyone stopped living in the past and started concentrating on the future.
We either learn the mistakes of the past or we just keep on making them..
Acknowledgments of the wrongs done is a far better position to be in than just shrugging shoulders and saying oh well..
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Problem is there are a lot that will never learn |
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"What about the disappeared ? You know the ones who were dragged out of their beds in the night taken away beaten half to death and then shot and got rid of ?
What about the explosions that killed and maimed in the name of self appointed toy soldiers
1920 how far do you want to keep on going back ? How about them Romans eh!
It’s about time everyone stopped living in the past and started concentrating on the future.
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The Romans didn't invade Ireland. |
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"What about the disappeared ? You know the ones who were dragged out of their beds in the night taken away beaten half to death and then shot and got rid of ?
What about the explosions that killed and maimed in the name of self appointed toy soldiers
1920 how far do you want to keep on going back ? How about them Romans eh!
It’s about time everyone stopped living in the past and started concentrating on the future.
We either learn the mistakes of the past or we just keep on making them..
Acknowledgments of the wrongs done is a far better position to be in than just shrugging shoulders and saying oh well..
Problem is there are a lot that will never learn "
British governments being chief among them.
In the period we're talking about here they suppressed democracy leading to war breaking out.
In later years they put down a peaceful campaign for civil rights which led to what we now call "the troubles". |
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"What about the disappeared ? You know the ones who were dragged out of their beds in the night taken away beaten half to death and then shot and got rid of ?
What about the explosions that killed and maimed in the name of self appointed toy soldiers
1920 how far do you want to keep on going back ? How about them Romans eh!
It’s about time everyone stopped living in the past and started concentrating on the future.
We either learn the mistakes of the past or we just keep on making them..
Acknowledgments of the wrongs done is a far better position to be in than just shrugging shoulders and saying oh well..
Problem is there are a lot that will never learn
British governments being chief among them.
In the period we're talking about here they suppressed democracy leading to war breaking out.
In later years they put down a peaceful campaign for civil rights which led to what we now call "the troubles". "
Am fully aware having served there that there were many wrongs done on all sides, it was a knock on from other post war interferences in other countries and the phrase 'dirty' does not do it justice..
It won't come clear, not in our lifetimes just how dirty it was..
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"What about the disappeared ? You know the ones who were dragged out of their beds in the night taken away beaten half to death and then shot and got rid of ?
What about the explosions that killed and maimed in the name of self appointed toy soldiers
1920 how far do you want to keep on going back ? How about them Romans eh!
It’s about time everyone stopped living in the past and started concentrating on the future.
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“1920,how far do you want to keep on going back”
So no British Remembrance Sunday then next year?
Or mention of the Somme?
Well done on starting your first 2 sentences with what about
We can discuss the disappeared if you want
There’s the Centenary this week of the priest taken in the middle of the night by the British army and murdered
Or
The 2 innocent farm laborers,brothers who were taken also taken by the British army
Tortured
Burnt alive
And then shot and dumped
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"What about the disappeared ? You know the ones who were dragged out of their beds in the night taken away beaten half to death and then shot and got rid of ?
What about the explosions that killed and maimed in the name of self appointed toy soldiers
1920 how far do you want to keep on going back ? How about them Romans eh!
It’s about time everyone stopped living in the past and started concentrating on the future.
“1920,how far do you want to keep on going back”
So no British Remembrance Sunday then next year?
Or mention of the Somme?
Well done on starting your first 2 sentences with what about
We can discuss the disappeared if you want
There’s the Centenary this week of the priest taken in the middle of the night by the British army and murdered
Or
The 2 innocent farm laborers,brothers who were taken also taken by the British army
Tortured
Burnt alive
And then shot and dumped
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Again a 100 year’s ago but there are some who will never progress and look ahead.
Yes there were major problems but then look throughout history people have done unspeakable things but a lot of people have grown and moved on it’s just a small minority who want to keep re emerging the old ways.
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"There were 14 people murdered by the IRA in Dublin earlier that day. "
Lies of omission are still lies. The 14 you refer to were assassins, no different from those that Saudi Arabia sent to Turkey to kill a journalist they didn't like, or the pair of assassins that Putin sent to Salisbury. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"There were 14 people murdered by the IRA in Dublin earlier that day.
Lies of omission are still lies. The 14 you refer to were assassins, no different from those that Saudi Arabia sent to Turkey to kill a journalist they didn't like, or the pair of assassins that Putin sent to Salisbury."
2 if the murdered were civilians, 2 were auxiliary soldiers and 1 was a policeman.
If you feel the need to tell lies to reinforce a viewpoint, then thats down to you, and no one else. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"There were 14 people murdered by the IRA in Dublin earlier that day.
Lies of omission are still lies. The 14 you refer to were assassins, no different from those that Saudi Arabia sent to Turkey to kill a journalist they didn't like, or the pair of assassins that Putin sent to Salisbury.
2 if the murdered were civilians, 2 were auxiliary soldiers and 1 was a policeman.
If you feel the need to tell lies to reinforce a viewpoint, then thats down to you, and no one else. "
So you knew they weren't civilians and omitted to say. |
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"The first 2 killed were an 10 and 12 year old who were shot on a wall watching the game
One was a player shot while playing the game his name was Micheal Hogan
Another was shot whilst kneeling giving the act of contrition to a dying Hogan
Another was shot whilst helping people to get over a wall,he was ex British Army and wearing his service jacket
Nearly all were shot in the back
The oldest was 55
Over a 100 were injured and 14 were innocent civilians were murdered whilst watching a Gaelic Football game
No-one was ever investigated or convicted of any crime by the British Authorities
We remember them all this weekend in Ireland
The innocent slaughtered by the IRA didn't even get a chance to run and be shot in the back.
Please condemn that too
The fact that you are blind to the atrocities carried out by the British in Ireland says a lot about you
We will be commentating this event in Ireland regardless of your ilk
I won’t be addressing any more comments from you
What about away all you want "
I have no issues with you commemorating anything you see fit and for the record I completely condemn any atrocities committed by any party on the island of Ireland or anywhere else be it British, IRA or any of the unionist paramilitaries.
Shame you can only offer selective condemnation.
I neither expect or need a reply. |
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What about Johnathan Ball & Tim Parry, a 3 year old and 12 year old that got murdered in Warrington.
Lets not forget the 6 children and a pregnant woman who was carry twins, that got killed by the IRA in Omagh.
Will you be remembering those souls as well? |
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"What about Johnathan Ball & Tim Parry, a 3 year old and 12 year old that got murdered in Warrington.
Will you be remembering those souls as well?"
You do know what Colin Parry has done dont you ?
The lengths he went to after his son was killed ?
the foundation for Peace
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/dad-warrington-bomb-victim-reacts-12772105.amp
Have a look there is a photo of Martin McGuinnes
At the Peace Centre with Colin Parry.
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"What about Johnathan Ball & Tim Parry, a 3 year old and 12 year old that got murdered in Warrington.
Will you be remembering those souls as well?
You do know what Colin Parry has done dont you ?
The lengths he went to after his son was killed ?
the foundation for Peace
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/dad-warrington-bomb-victim-reacts-12772105.amp
Have a look there is a photo of Martin McGuinnes
At the Peace Centre with Colin Parry.
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Martin McGuinnes Literally got away with Murder! and even got a free pass to get on with his life along with that scumbag Gerry Adams! |
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"What about Johnathan Ball & Tim Parry, a 3 year old and 12 year old that got murdered in Warrington.
Lets not forget the 6 children and a pregnant woman who was carry twins, that got killed by the IRA in Omagh.
Will you be remembering those souls as well?"
Acknowledge the terrible wrongs the British did in Ireland without resorting to whataboutery
There’s a good lad |
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"What about Johnathan Ball & Tim Parry, a 3 year old and 12 year old that got murdered in Warrington.
Lets not forget the 6 children and a pregnant woman who was carry twins, that got killed by the IRA in Omagh.
Will you be remembering those souls as well?"
On their anniversaries, yes.
On the anniversary of the murders in Croke Park we remembered the 14 people murdered by British forces in Croke Park. |
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"21st of November 1920 the British army opened fire on spectators at a football match in Dublin killing adults and children.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54908852"
what was the score at the time? |
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"What about Johnathan Ball & Tim Parry, a 3 year old and 12 year old that got murdered in Warrington.
Lets not forget the 6 children and a pregnant woman who was carry twins, that got killed by the IRA in Omagh.
Will you be remembering those souls as well?
On their anniversaries, yes.
On the anniversary of the murders in Croke Park we remembered the 14 people murdered by British forces in Croke Park. "
Strangely I don't recall anything here about the remembrance Sunday massacre of 12 people, the anniversary was earlier this month. |
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"What about Johnathan Ball & Tim Parry, a 3 year old and 12 year old that got murdered in Warrington.
Lets not forget the 6 children and a pregnant woman who was carry twins, that got killed by the IRA in Omagh.
Will you be remembering those souls as well?
On their anniversaries, yes.
On the anniversary of the murders in Croke Park we remembered the 14 people murdered by British forces in Croke Park.
Strangely I don't recall anything here about the remembrance Sunday massacre of 12 people, the anniversary was earlier this month."
You obviously weren't particularly interested in remembering them or you'd have posted something yourself about it. |
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"What about Johnathan Ball & Tim Parry, a 3 year old and 12 year old that got murdered in Warrington.
Lets not forget the 6 children and a pregnant woman who was carry twins, that got killed by the IRA in Omagh.
Will you be remembering those souls as well?
Acknowledge the terrible wrongs the British did in Ireland without resorting to whataboutery
There’s a good lad "
It's not whataboutery to accept and acknowledge that wrongs were done on all sides..
If we are ever to move forward and learn the lessons that revenge and counter revenge are not the way forward that is..
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"What about Johnathan Ball & Tim Parry, a 3 year old and 12 year old that got murdered in Warrington.
Lets not forget the 6 children and a pregnant woman who was carry twins, that got killed by the IRA in Omagh.
Will you be remembering those souls as well?
Acknowledge the terrible wrongs the British did in Ireland without resorting to whataboutery
There’s a good lad
It's not whataboutery to accept and acknowledge that wrongs were done on all sides..
If we are ever to move forward and learn the lessons that revenge and counter revenge are not the way forward that is..
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But you didn’t acknowledge what happened in Croke Park
What about was the first word you typed
But then again
Your not on your own there |
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"What about Johnathan Ball & Tim Parry, a 3 year old and 12 year old that got murdered in Warrington.
Lets not forget the 6 children and a pregnant woman who was carry twins, that got killed by the IRA in Omagh.
Will you be remembering those souls as well?
Acknowledge the terrible wrongs the British did in Ireland without resorting to whataboutery
There’s a good lad
It's not whataboutery to accept and acknowledge that wrongs were done on all sides..
If we are ever to move forward and learn the lessons that revenge and counter revenge are not the way forward that is..
But you didn’t acknowledge what happened in Croke Park
What about was the first word you typed
But then again
Your not on your own there "
You've got the wrong person re croke park..
On record as stating all wrongs are just that, trying to out trump someone on whose wrong was worse is pointless..
As I said if we are to move forward.. |
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"21st of November 1920 the British army opened fire on spectators at a football match in Dublin killing adults and children.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54908852"
Thanks for posting op..I never knew about that.
As had been mentioned before there were atrocities committed by both sides.
Presumably the whataboutery posters mourn the German losses aswell on remembrance day. |
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"21st of November 1920 the British army opened fire on spectators at a football match in Dublin killing adults and children.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54908852
what was the score at the time?"
Side splitting
Presumably you crack 'jokes' when we have a terrorist attack here?
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"What about Johnathan Ball & Tim Parry, a 3 year old and 12 year old that got murdered in Warrington.
Lets not forget the 6 children and a pregnant woman who was carry twins, that got killed by the IRA in Omagh.
Will you be remembering those souls as well?
On their anniversaries, yes.
On the anniversary of the murders in Croke Park we remembered the 14 people murdered by British forces in Croke Park.
Strangely I don't recall anything here about the remembrance Sunday massacre of 12 people, the anniversary was earlier this month.
You obviously weren't particularly interested in remembering them or you'd have posted something yourself about it. "
I did, in an appropriate way, in a appriate place not one where I felt it would be poking a stick at people. and certainly not on a swinger forum.
I suppose we all have different interpretations of respectful remembrance.  |
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"21st of November 1920 the British army opened fire on spectators at a football match in Dublin killing adults and children.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54908852
what was the score at the time?
Side splitting
Presumably you crack 'jokes' when we have a terrorist attack here?
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you can presume whatever you want big boy |
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As had been mentioned before there were atrocities committed by both sides.
Presumably the whataboutery posters mourn the German losses aswell on remembrance day."
As it happens, yes, some of us do mourn the axis losses as well as the allied ones - after all, most of the Germans killed had no choice, much like many of ours guys. |
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As had been mentioned before there were atrocities committed by both sides.
Presumably the whataboutery posters mourn the German losses aswell on remembrance day.
As it happens, yes, some of us do mourn the axis losses as well as the allied ones - after all, most of the Germans killed had no choice, much like many of ours guys."
I bet not many do though.
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"What about Johnathan Ball & Tim Parry, a 3 year old and 12 year old that got murdered in Warrington.
Will you be remembering those souls as well?
You do know what Colin Parry has done dont you ?
The lengths he went to after his son was killed ?
the foundation for Peace
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/dad-warrington-bomb-victim-reacts-12772105.amp
Have a look there is a photo of Martin McGuinnes
At the Peace Centre with Colin Parry.
Martin McGuinnes Literally got away with Murder! and even got a free pass to get on with his life along with that scumbag Gerry Adams!"
Both Elected to governments .
Can we therefore say the same ahout Churchill
For his wanton Starvation to the death
of a Million+ innocents in India in the 1940's ?
As Colin Parry said on the death of Martin McGuiness
I cant forgive him , but he was Sincere about making peace.
I remember when Blair apologised for the treatment of Irish people by the Uk becuase of what happened between
1845-1849 , the British press & many knuckle draggers
Slaughterd him with , How dare he apologise to them .
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"What about Johnathan Ball & Tim Parry, a 3 year old and 12 year old that got murdered in Warrington.
Lets not forget the 6 children and a pregnant woman who was carry twins, that got killed by the IRA in Omagh.
Will you be remembering those souls as well?
Acknowledge the terrible wrongs the British did in Ireland without resorting to whataboutery
There’s a good lad "
Why when you don't accept the atrocities caused by yoir terrorists?
You can't ask for people to accept something, when you are ignoring things.
Approximately 60% of the dead were killed by republicans, 30% by loyalists and 10% by British security forces.
I am sure you will harp on about the 10% |
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"What about Johnathan Ball & Tim Parry, a 3 year old and 12 year old that got murdered in Warrington.
Lets not forget the 6 children and a pregnant woman who was carry twins, that got killed by the IRA in Omagh.
Will you be remembering those souls as well?
Acknowledge the terrible wrongs the British did in Ireland without resorting to whataboutery
There’s a good lad
Why when you don't accept the atrocities caused by yoir terrorists?
You can't ask for people to accept something, when you are ignoring things.
Approximately 60% of the dead were killed by republicans, 30% by loyalists and 10% by British security forces.
I am sure you will harp on about the 10%"
Shal we go back in time ?
80% of people killed in Ireland were killed
By those loyal to a
British Monarch/ Government .
If the British had left well alone the Irish
had No need to respond .
There Endeth the lesson .
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"What about Johnathan Ball & Tim Parry, a 3 year old and 12 year old that got murdered in Warrington.
Lets not forget the 6 children and a pregnant woman who was carry twins, that got killed by the IRA in Omagh.
Will you be remembering those souls as well?
Acknowledge the terrible wrongs the British did in Ireland without resorting to whataboutery
There’s a good lad
Why when you don't accept the atrocities caused by yoir terrorists?
You can't ask for people to accept something, when you are ignoring things.
Approximately 60% of the dead were killed by republicans, 30% by loyalists and 10% by British security forces.
I am sure you will harp on about the 10%"
If you think the British military were only responsible for the 10% attributed to them you are either guilty of wilful ignorance or just the inability to read/remember recent history.
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"What about Johnathan Ball & Tim Parry, a 3 year old and 12 year old that got murdered in Warrington.
Lets not forget the 6 children and a pregnant woman who was carry twins, that got killed by the IRA in Omagh.
Will you be remembering those souls as well?
Acknowledge the terrible wrongs the British did in Ireland without resorting to whataboutery
There’s a good lad
Why when you don't accept the atrocities caused by yoir terrorists?
You can't ask for people to accept something, when you are ignoring things.
Approximately 60% of the dead were killed by republicans, 30% by loyalists and 10% by British security forces.
I am sure you will harp on about the 10%"
Where did you get those stats from? |
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I will leave this here.
IRA Shoot to Kill Murders
There were a number of different reasons why the IRA decided to deliberately murder civilians, but a primary purpose was to achieve terror, shock and publicity. While the optics of these murders clearly showed a bias toward murdering Protestant Unionist civilians, murders of Catholic Nationalist civilians also occurred in order to similarly terrorise and to stem opposition in areas the IRA wished to control. |
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"I will leave this here.
IRA Shoot to Kill Murders
There were a number of different reasons why the IRA decided to deliberately murder civilians, but a primary purpose was to achieve terror, shock and publicity. While the optics of these murders clearly showed a bias toward murdering Protestant Unionist civilians, murders of Catholic Nationalist civilians also occurred in order to similarly terrorise and to stem opposition in areas the IRA wished to control."
And the loyalist paramilitaries were paragons of virtue |
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If the most recent IRA,know as the provincial IRA or provos for short wanted to kill civilians in England they could have slaughtered thousands, and not the dozens they did murder, they will claim that those civilians murdered were accidental, or collateral damage as the British call the thousands of civilians they killed in the middle east this century,
Anyway the massive bombs used by the provos in places like canary wharf, the Baltic exchange or Manchester, to mention a few, could have slaughtered thousands if that is what the IRA wanted to do |
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"If the most recent IRA,know as the provincial IRA or provos for short wanted to kill civilians in England they could have slaughtered thousands, and not the dozens they did murder, they will claim that those civilians murdered were accidental, or collateral damage as the British call the thousands of civilians they killed in the middle east this century,
Anyway the massive bombs used by the provos in places like canary wharf, the Baltic exchange or Manchester, to mention a few, could have slaughtered thousands if that is what the IRA wanted to do "
I'm sure the families of those slaughtered will be grateful that you pointed that out.
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"If the most recent IRA,know as the provincial IRA or provos for short wanted to kill civilians in England they could have slaughtered thousands, and not the dozens they did murder, they will claim that those civilians murdered were accidental, or collateral damage as the British call the thousands of civilians they killed in the middle east this century,
Anyway the massive bombs used by the provos in places like canary wharf, the Baltic exchange or Manchester, to mention a few, could have slaughtered thousands if that is what the IRA wanted to do "
Yes they could but they would have lost any support in carrying out such atrocities in America without which they would have been skint..
And what do you think the response would have been under such circumstances?
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The families of any innocent victims of terrorism, be it IRA terrorism, Islamic terrorism or British government state terrorism will not take comfort from any meaningless explanation for there loss regardless where it comes from |
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25/11/74. The IRA murdered James Murdock, 55. Married with family. Post office engineer shot in indiscriminate sectarian attack, Woodvale. 23 shots fired from machine gun. 2nd man suffered multiple wounds while a 3rd fell to ground & pretended to be dead.
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"I'm not sure anyone take any particular moral high ground on this issue.
The op pointed out an event and all the whataboutery was rather predictable and pointless.
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Says the man who did the what about the unionist paramilitaries. |
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"I'm not sure anyone take any particular moral high ground on this issue.
The op pointed out an event and all the whataboutery was rather predictable and pointless.
Says the man who did the what about the unionist paramilitaries. "
So the Murder of Innocent Irish still being belittled 100
Years after the fact , because whattaboutery raises its
Ugly Head ?
Class, real class .
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"I'm not sure anyone take any particular moral high ground on this issue.
The op pointed out an event and all the whataboutery was rather predictable and pointless.
Says the man who did the what about the unionist paramilitaries.
So the Murder of Innocent Irish still being belittled 100
Years after the fact , because whattaboutery raises its
Ugly Head ?
Class, real class .
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Who is belittling anything ? Can you quote the post I have said that what happened was ok ? |
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"I'm not sure anyone take any particular moral high ground on this issue.
The op pointed out an event and all the whataboutery was rather predictable and pointless.
Says the man who did the what about the unionist paramilitaries. "
All the whataboutery on here and you pick mine out?
Bless
I was responding to a post which implied it was just the IRA who had a shoot to kill policy. |
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Says the man who did the what about the unionist paramilitaries.
Who is belittling anything ? Can you quote the post I have said that what happened was ok ? "
There you go .
Just so you can see it clearly.
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"What about Johnathan Ball & Tim Parry, a 3 year old and 12 year old that got murdered in Warrington.
Lets not forget the 6 children and a pregnant woman who was carry twins, that got killed by the IRA in Omagh.
Will you be remembering those souls as well?
Acknowledge the terrible wrongs the British did in Ireland without resorting to whataboutery
There’s a good lad
Why when you don't accept the atrocities caused by yoir terrorists?
You can't ask for people to accept something, when you are ignoring things.
Approximately 60% of the dead were killed by republicans, 30% by loyalists and 10% by British security forces.
I am sure you will harp on about the 10%"
It just goes to show how little you know about Irish hIstory when you are quoting figures from the troubles in Northern Ireland which began in 1969
We are discussing the massacre of innocent civilians in croke park in 1920
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"I'm not sure anyone take any particular moral high ground on this issue.
The op pointed out an event and all the whataboutery was rather predictable and pointless.
Says the man who did the what about the unionist paramilitaries.
All the whataboutery on here and you pick mine out?
Bless
I was responding to a post which implied it was just the IRA who had a shoot to kill policy."
You were the one complaining that others were going what about whatever, which is exactly what you then did. |
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Today the 28 November is the 100 year anniversary of the kimicheal ambush in west cork, Ireland,
The active service unit of the 3rd cork brigade of the IRA, under the command of Tom Barry, attacked and wiped out a 18 strong unit of the auxiliary division,
The auxiliary division were all ex British army officers, veterans of ww2 many of them highly decorated,
They were the cutting edge of the British government policy of state terrorism and responsible for the brutal murder of dozens of innocent men women and children plus the government policy of destroying hundreds of houses, shops and factories
The annihilation of this unit cambined with the destruction of there intelligence network a week earlier in Dublin, came as a severe shock to the British administration who now realisied the had a war on there hands with a very formidable enemy in the IRA |
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On this day in 1976 the IRA murdered Philomena Greene, 16. Returning with 2 friends from a dance in her native Lurgan when they saw light in unoccupied house owned by father of 1 of the girls. On going to investigate a bomb exploded, killing the girl & wounding a friend. |
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"On this day in 1976 the IRA murdered Philomena Greene, 16. Returning with 2 friends from a dance in her native Lurgan when they saw light in unoccupied house owned by father of 1 of the girls. On going to investigate a bomb exploded, killing the girl & wounding a friend."
Thinking today of the town of Ardee where innocent men women and children were beaten up by British Troops,100 years ago today
2 innocent men dragged from their homes
Tortured shot and their bodies dragged behind British army trucks until they died of their injuries
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"On this day in 1976 the IRA murdered Philomena Greene, 16. Returning with 2 friends from a dance in her native Lurgan when they saw light in unoccupied house owned by father of 1 of the girls. On going to investigate a bomb exploded, killing the girl & wounding a friend.
Thinking today of the town of Ardee where innocent men women and children were beaten up by British Troops,100 years ago today
2 innocent men dragged from their homes
Tortured shot and their bodies dragged behind British army trucks until they died of their injuries
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And remembering the two trucks of british officers murdered by the IRA in Cork.
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"On this day in 1976 the IRA murdered Philomena Greene, 16. Returning with 2 friends from a dance in her native Lurgan when they saw light in unoccupied house owned by father of 1 of the girls. On going to investigate a bomb exploded, killing the girl & wounding a friend.
Thinking today of the town of Ardee where innocent men women and children were beaten up by British Troops,100 years ago today
2 innocent men dragged from their homes
Tortured shot and their bodies dragged behind British army trucks until they died of their injuries
And remembering the two trucks of british officers murdered by the IRA in Cork.
"
Shall we remember the 3 black & tans
Who were killed by Michael Barry, in Macroom co cork
after He avenged the ra-pe of his wife & her murder
Along with his baby daughter , when the said tans
Set fire to the farmhouse as well ?
Or the hundreds of women r-aped & killed even more civillians
Murdered by the British backed black & tans ?
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"On this day in 1976 the IRA murdered Philomena Greene, 16. Returning with 2 friends from a dance in her native Lurgan when they saw light in unoccupied house owned by father of 1 of the girls. On going to investigate a bomb exploded, killing the girl & wounding a friend.
Thinking today of the town of Ardee where innocent men women and children were beaten up by British Troops,100 years ago today
2 innocent men dragged from their homes
Tortured shot and their bodies dragged behind British army trucks until they died of their injuries
And remembering the two trucks of british officers murdered by the IRA in Cork.
"
It’s amazing to see loyalists and their British supporters not being able to see the distinction between armed combatants in a military action
And the ra-pe torture and murder of innocent men women and children by the British in Ireland in 1920
After Kilmichael the British troops went on the rampage and burnt hundreds of properties in Cork City
Tactics used in later times by the Nazis in occupied Europe |
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The British were the invaders in our country
The occupiers who had no right to be there
Who had made us serfs,starved and pillaged us
Banned our culture
It’s fairly obvious that after 100 years some can’t even bring themselves to express any hint of regret as to what happened to innocent civilians without trying to deflect by using whataboutery
I wonder if the Germans had invaded the UK,would they have judged any resistance in the same way they continue to judge the Irish?.
I doubt it
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"Or perhaps remember that two wrongs never made a right and remember and respect those that died in a dignified manner.
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Or maybe that an Oppressor was wrong to invade & control
Therefore no response would have been necessary? |
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"The British were the invaders in our country
The occupiers who had no right to be there
Who had made us serfs,starved and pillaged us
Banned our culture
It’s fairly obvious that after 100 years some can’t even bring themselves to express any hint of regret as to what happened to innocent civilians without trying to deflect by using whataboutery
I wonder if the Germans had invaded the UK,would they have judged any resistance in the same way they continue to judge the Irish?.
I doubt it
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The British invaded and occupied a lot of countries. This history wasn't taught in my school. We studied the era between the first and second world wars.
There simply isn't enough time to go through all British history in schools. Including what happened in Ireland
People alive now weren't responsible for what happened on the British empire. We can learn about it, and it's good to understand what happened in Ireland, India, Egypt, Kenya, Rhodesia, Uganda, north America, Pakistan etc etc. But regret isn't a good thing. |
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"The British were the invaders in our country
The occupiers who had no right to be there
Who had made us serfs,starved and pillaged us
Banned our culture
It’s fairly obvious that after 100 years some can’t even bring themselves to express any hint of regret as to what happened to innocent civilians without trying to deflect by using whataboutery
I wonder if the Germans had invaded the UK,would they have judged any resistance in the same way they continue to judge the Irish?.
I doubt it
The British invaded and occupied a lot of countries. This history wasn't taught in my school. We studied the era between the first and second world wars.
There simply isn't enough time to go through all British history in schools. Including what happened in Ireland
People alive now weren't responsible for what happened on the British empire. We can learn about it, and it's good to understand what happened in Ireland, India, Egypt, Kenya, Rhodesia, Uganda, north America, Pakistan etc etc. But regret isn't a good thing."
No but your alive now
Does that make you responsible for the killings of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan by British Forces which are now coming to light? |
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"The British were the invaders in our country
The occupiers who had no right to be there
Who had made us serfs,starved and pillaged us
Banned our culture
It’s fairly obvious that after 100 years some can’t even bring themselves to express any hint of regret as to what happened to innocent civilians without trying to deflect by using whataboutery
I wonder if the Germans had invaded the UK,would they have judged any resistance in the same way they continue to judge the Irish?.
I doubt it
The British invaded and occupied a lot of countries. This history wasn't taught in my school. We studied the era between the first and second world wars.
There simply isn't enough time to go through all British history in schools. Including what happened in Ireland
People alive now weren't responsible for what happened on the British empire. We can learn about it, and it's good to understand what happened in Ireland, India, Egypt, Kenya, Rhodesia, Uganda, north America, Pakistan etc etc. But regret isn't a good thing.
No but your alive now
Does that make you responsible for the killings of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan by British Forces which are now coming to light?"
Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
Regarding current events. You could argue that people who voted for the governments who went to the various wars in the middle East, may hold some responsibility. But did every Labour voter in 1997 want the Iraq war, probably not. Probably a lot of them protested against it. |
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Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
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By & large treated the same ?
Seriously ?
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Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
By & large treated the same ?
Seriously ?
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How was the average serf treated in England in 1200?
Probably no different than one in Ireland. |
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Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
By & large treated the same ?
Seriously ?
How was the average serf treated in England in 1200?
Probably no different than one in Ireland."
Ah we go back to the beginning when it suits you .
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Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
By & large treated the same ?
Seriously ?
How was the average serf treated in England in 1200?
Probably no different than one in Ireland.
Ah we go back to the beginning when it suits you .
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Suits me, What are you getting at?
We're discussing the British occupation of Ireland. My point was that ordinary people were treated like shit by the authorities of the time.
Feel free to make a counter point. |
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"The British were the invaders in our country
The occupiers who had no right to be there
Who had made us serfs,starved and pillaged us
Banned our culture
It’s fairly obvious that after 100 years some can’t even bring themselves to express any hint of regret as to what happened to innocent civilians without trying to deflect by using whataboutery
I wonder if the Germans had invaded the UK,would they have judged any resistance in the same way they continue to judge the Irish?.
I doubt it
The British invaded and occupied a lot of countries. This history wasn't taught in my school. We studied the era between the first and second world wars.
There simply isn't enough time to go through all British history in schools. Including what happened in Ireland
People alive now weren't responsible for what happened on the British empire. We can learn about it, and it's good to understand what happened in Ireland, India, Egypt, Kenya, Rhodesia, Uganda, north America, Pakistan etc etc. But regret isn't a good thing.
No but your alive now
Does that make you responsible for the killings of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan by British Forces which are now coming to light?
Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
Regarding current events. You could argue that people who voted for the governments who went to the various wars in the middle East, may hold some responsibility. But did every Labour voter in 1997 want the Iraq war, probably not. Probably a lot of them protested against it."
You say you weren’t responsible for the British Empire,
Nothing to do with me gov
But you were alive for what’s gone on in Iraq and Afghanistan
This not your fault also?
Here a novel concept for your nation
How about you all stay the fuck at home
No country in the world has ever been bettered by British “help”
The British taxpayer will be able to save billions on these jollies and poor kids from sink estates won’t be maimed or killed.
You can instead spend the money saved on frivolous things like Hospitals or schools |
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"The British were the invaders in our country
The occupiers who had no right to be there
Who had made us serfs,starved and pillaged us
Banned our culture
It’s fairly obvious that after 100 years some can’t even bring themselves to express any hint of regret as to what happened to innocent civilians without trying to deflect by using whataboutery
I wonder if the Germans had invaded the UK,would they have judged any resistance in the same way they continue to judge the Irish?.
I doubt it
The British invaded and occupied a lot of countries. This history wasn't taught in my school. We studied the era between the first and second world wars.
There simply isn't enough time to go through all British history in schools. Including what happened in Ireland
People alive now weren't responsible for what happened on the British empire. We can learn about it, and it's good to understand what happened in Ireland, India, Egypt, Kenya, Rhodesia, Uganda, north America, Pakistan etc etc. But regret isn't a good thing.
No but your alive now
Does that make you responsible for the killings of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan by British Forces which are now coming to light?
Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
Regarding current events. You could argue that people who voted for the governments who went to the various wars in the middle East, may hold some responsibility. But did every Labour voter in 1997 want the Iraq war, probably not. Probably a lot of them protested against it.
You say you weren’t responsible for the British Empire,
Nothing to do with me gov
But you were alive for what’s gone on in Iraq and Afghanistan
This not your fault also?
Here a novel concept for your nation
How about you all stay the fuck at home
No country in the world has ever been bettered by British “help”
The British taxpayer will be able to save billions on these jollies and poor kids from sink estates won’t be maimed or killed.
You can instead spend the money saved on frivolous things like Hospitals or schools "
The people responsible for iraq and Afghanistan were the people who decided to go to war. |
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Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
By & large treated the same ?
Seriously ?
How was the average serf treated in England in 1200?
Probably no different than one in Ireland.
Ah we go back to the beginning when it suits you .
Suits me, What are you getting at?
We're discussing the British occupation of Ireland. My point was that ordinary people were treated like shit by the authorities of the time.
Feel free to make a counter point."
Diplock courts in the 20th century
State collusion in murder in the 20rh century
Genocide of a million people in the 19th century
We can start with those 3 if you want |
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"The British were the invaders in our country
The occupiers who had no right to be there
Who had made us serfs,starved and pillaged us
Banned our culture
It’s fairly obvious that after 100 years some can’t even bring themselves to express any hint of regret as to what happened to innocent civilians without trying to deflect by using whataboutery
I wonder if the Germans had invaded the UK,would they have judged any resistance in the same way they continue to judge the Irish?.
I doubt it
The British invaded and occupied a lot of countries. This history wasn't taught in my school. We studied the era between the first and second world wars.
There simply isn't enough time to go through all British history in schools. Including what happened in Ireland
People alive now weren't responsible for what happened on the British empire. We can learn about it, and it's good to understand what happened in Ireland, India, Egypt, Kenya, Rhodesia, Uganda, north America, Pakistan etc etc. But regret isn't a good thing.
No but your alive now
Does that make you responsible for the killings of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan by British Forces which are now coming to light?
Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
Regarding current events. You could argue that people who voted for the governments who went to the various wars in the middle East, may hold some responsibility. But did every Labour voter in 1997 want the Iraq war, probably not. Probably a lot of them protested against it.
You say you weren’t responsible for the British Empire,
Nothing to do with me gov
But you were alive for what’s gone on in Iraq and Afghanistan
This not your fault also?
Here a novel concept for your nation
How about you all stay the fuck at home
No country in the world has ever been bettered by British “help”
The British taxpayer will be able to save billions on these jollies and poor kids from sink estates won’t be maimed or killed.
You can instead spend the money saved on frivolous things like Hospitals or schools "
I'll answer your questions in order.
Yes, I am comfortable not taking responsibility for things that happened out of my control, and before I was born.
I wasn't living in the UK when the second Iraq war or the war in Afghanistan were started. I did protest against them. Not sure what else I could have done, other than moving to those countries and joining their armies.
Have to stay at home at the moment, lockdown.
I agree, I wouldn't have the British army involved in any of the wars, and I would use the money to support the NHS and to support vulnerable people in society.
I disagree with your assertion that all citizens of the country are responsible for every choice their government makes. Should the world blame you for every decision the Irish government makes. How about the water tax fiasco in 2015? I would argue that you personally aren't to blame.
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Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
By & large treated the same ?
Seriously ?
How was the average serf treated in England in 1200?
Probably no different than one in Ireland.
Ah we go back to the beginning when it suits you .
Suits me, What are you getting at?
We're discussing the British occupation of Ireland. My point was that ordinary people were treated like shit by the authorities of the time.
Feel free to make a counter point.
Diplock courts in the 20th century
State collusion in murder in the 20rh century
Genocide of a million people in the 19th century
We can start with those 3 if you want "
You're going to have to be more specific about what these things are, or how this relates to my point about how ordinary people were treated in the UK and Ireland by the authorities, or how that relates to why you were unhappy with the time period of the example I gave, if you want me to reply. |
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Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
By & large treated the same ?
Seriously ?
How was the average serf treated in England in 1200?
Probably no different than one in Ireland.
Ah we go back to the beginning when it suits you .
Suits me, What are you getting at?
We're discussing the British occupation of Ireland. My point was that ordinary people were treated like shit by the authorities of the time.
Feel free to make a counter point.
Diplock courts in the 20th century
State collusion in murder in the 20rh century
Genocide of a million people in the 19th century
We can start with those 3 if you want
You're going to have to be more specific about what these things are, or how this relates to my point about how ordinary people were treated in the UK and Ireland by the authorities, or how that relates to why you were unhappy with the time period of the example I gave, if you want me to reply."
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Like you ignored points i made by changing the timeline
I have done the same & given examples of how people in
Ireland & people in britain were treated differently .
If you need to look abything up ill give you a bit of time
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Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
By & large treated the same ?
Seriously ?
How was the average serf treated in England in 1200?
Probably no different than one in Ireland.
Ah we go back to the beginning when it suits you .
Suits me, What are you getting at?
We're discussing the British occupation of Ireland. My point was that ordinary people were treated like shit by the authorities of the time.
Feel free to make a counter point.
Diplock courts in the 20th century
State collusion in murder in the 20rh century
Genocide of a million people in the 19th century
We can start with those 3 if you want
You're going to have to be more specific about what these things are, or how this relates to my point about how ordinary people were treated in the UK and Ireland by the authorities, or how that relates to why you were unhappy with the time period of the example I gave, if you want me to reply.
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Like you ignored points i made by changing the timeline
I have done the same & given examples of how people in
Ireland & people in britain were treated differently .
If you need to look abything up ill give you a bit of time
Otherwise i can just assume you know very little about what you claim "
I'm comfortable with you assuming whatever you want.
You're clearly out to have a go at me, or make up random stuff like "ignoring points you made" or "changing the timeline" (no clue what your on about) for some reason, instead of discussing the British occupation of Ireland.
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Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
By & large treated the same ?
Seriously ?
How was the average serf treated in England in 1200?
Probably no different than one in Ireland.
Ah we go back to the beginning when it suits you .
Suits me, What are you getting at?
We're discussing the British occupation of Ireland. My point was that ordinary people were treated like shit by the authorities of the time.
Feel free to make a counter point.
Diplock courts in the 20th century
State collusion in murder in the 20rh century
Genocide of a million people in the 19th century
We can start with those 3 if you want
You're going to have to be more specific about what these things are, or how this relates to my point about how ordinary people were treated in the UK and Ireland by the authorities, or how that relates to why you were unhappy with the time period of the example I gave, if you want me to reply.
====
Like you ignored points i made by changing the timeline
I have done the same & given examples of how people in
Ireland & people in britain were treated differently .
If you need to look abything up ill give you a bit of time
Otherwise i can just assume you know very little about what you claim
I'm comfortable with you assuming whatever you want.
You're clearly out to have a go at me, or make up random stuff like "ignoring points you made" or "changing the timeline" (no clue what your on about) for some reason, instead of discussing the British occupation of Ireland.
Have a good day."
I responded to your post that mentioned the differences of
The citizens of northern ireland & the people of Britain.
You mentioned 1997 in the post i replied to
Which i edited to not include 1997 .
As you dont know the importance of diplock courts
Or special category courts & jails etc to both
Groups in the 6 counties
Protestant & Catholic
( or if you like loyalist & nationalist)
You have no right to ask of a difference .
State collusion in murder .
Thats the easiest but you are running away from that .
Ah well, bye bye
As you are ignorant of the 19th century genocide
You have no right to discuss anything |
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"
Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
By & large treated the same ?
Seriously ?
How was the average serf treated in England in 1200?
Probably no different than one in Ireland.
Ah we go back to the beginning when it suits you .
Suits me, What are you getting at?
We're discussing the British occupation of Ireland. My point was that ordinary people were treated like shit by the authorities of the time.
Feel free to make a counter point.
Diplock courts in the 20th century
State collusion in murder in the 20rh century
Genocide of a million people in the 19th century
We can start with those 3 if you want
You're going to have to be more specific about what these things are, or how this relates to my point about how ordinary people were treated in the UK and Ireland by the authorities, or how that relates to why you were unhappy with the time period of the example I gave, if you want me to reply.
====
Like you ignored points i made by changing the timeline
I have done the same & given examples of how people in
Ireland & people in britain were treated differently .
If you need to look abything up ill give you a bit of time
Otherwise i can just assume you know very little about what you claim
I'm comfortable with you assuming whatever you want.
You're clearly out to have a go at me, or make up random stuff like "ignoring points you made" or "changing the timeline" (no clue what your on about) for some reason, instead of discussing the British occupation of Ireland.
Have a good day.
I responded to your post that mentioned the differences of
The citizens of northern ireland & the people of Britain.
You mentioned 1997 in the post i replied to
Which i edited to not include 1997 .
As you dont know the importance of diplock courts
Or special category courts & jails etc to both
Groups in the 6 counties
Protestant & Catholic
( or if you like loyalist & nationalist)
You have no right to ask of a difference .
State collusion in murder .
Thats the easiest but you are running away from that .
Ah well, bye bye
As you are ignorant of the 19th century genocide
You have no right to discuss anything "
Aight. Although you made a lot of assumptions. Then got annoyed at the assumptions. Nothing I could have done about that.
If you think there is something to discuss or knowledge impart. We can talk.
But just having a go at me because of your incorrect assumptions, when we had been having a normal conversation prior to that. Seems like something I'm not interested in. |
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"
Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
By & large treated the same ?
Seriously ?
How was the average serf treated in England in 1200?
Probably no different than one in Ireland.
Ah we go back to the beginning when it suits you .
Suits me, What are you getting at?
We're discussing the British occupation of Ireland. My point was that ordinary people were treated like shit by the authorities of the time.
Feel free to make a counter point.
Diplock courts in the 20th century
State collusion in murder in the 20rh century
Genocide of a million people in the 19th century
We can start with those 3 if you want
You're going to have to be more specific about what these things are, or how this relates to my point about how ordinary people were treated in the UK and Ireland by the authorities, or how that relates to why you were unhappy with the time period of the example I gave, if you want me to reply.
====
Like you ignored points i made by changing the timeline
I have done the same & given examples of how people in
Ireland & people in britain were treated differently .
If you need to look abything up ill give you a bit of time
Otherwise i can just assume you know very little about what you claim
I'm comfortable with you assuming whatever you want.
You're clearly out to have a go at me, or make up random stuff like "ignoring points you made" or "changing the timeline" (no clue what your on about) for some reason, instead of discussing the British occupation of Ireland.
Have a good day.
I responded to your post that mentioned the differences of
The citizens of northern ireland & the people of Britain.
You mentioned 1997 in the post i replied to
Which i edited to not include 1997 .
As you dont know the importance of diplock courts
Or special category courts & jails etc to both
Groups in the 6 counties
Protestant & Catholic
( or if you like loyalist & nationalist)
You have no right to ask of a difference .
State collusion in murder .
Thats the easiest but you are running away from that .
Ah well, bye bye
As you are ignorant of the 19th century genocide
You have no right to discuss anything
Aight. Although you made a lot of assumptions. Then got annoyed at the assumptions. Nothing I could have done about that.
If you think there is something to discuss or knowledge impart. We can talk.
But just having a go at me because of your incorrect assumptions, when we had been having a normal conversation prior to that. Seems like something I'm not interested in."
I made no assumptions
You stated you didnt know what i meant.
What makes you think i got angry ?
I just like to explain to people with little knowledge of the 6 counties , part of the 9 county province i was born in.
Knowledge sharing is a great thing to those who know little |
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Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
By & large treated the same ?
Seriously ?
How was the average serf treated in England in 1200?
Probably no different than one in Ireland.
Ah we go back to the beginning when it suits you .
Suits me, What are you getting at?
We're discussing the British occupation of Ireland. My point was that ordinary people were treated like shit by the authorities of the time.
Feel free to make a counter point.
Diplock courts in the 20th century
State collusion in murder in the 20rh century
Genocide of a million people in the 19th century
We can start with those 3 if you want
You're going to have to be more specific about what these things are, or how this relates to my point about how ordinary people were treated in the UK and Ireland by the authorities, or how that relates to why you were unhappy with the time period of the example I gave, if you want me to reply.
====
Like you ignored points i made by changing the timeline
I have done the same & given examples of how people in
Ireland & people in britain were treated differently .
If you need to look abything up ill give you a bit of time
Otherwise i can just assume you know very little about what you claim
I'm comfortable with you assuming whatever you want.
You're clearly out to have a go at me, or make up random stuff like "ignoring points you made" or "changing the timeline" (no clue what your on about) for some reason, instead of discussing the British occupation of Ireland.
Have a good day.
I responded to your post that mentioned the differences of
The citizens of northern ireland & the people of Britain.
You mentioned 1997 in the post i replied to
Which i edited to not include 1997 .
As you dont know the importance of diplock courts
Or special category courts & jails etc to both
Groups in the 6 counties
Protestant & Catholic
( or if you like loyalist & nationalist)
You have no right to ask of a difference .
State collusion in murder .
Thats the easiest but you are running away from that .
Ah well, bye bye
As you are ignorant of the 19th century genocide
You have no right to discuss anything
Aight. Although you made a lot of assumptions. Then got annoyed at the assumptions. Nothing I could have done about that.
If you think there is something to discuss or knowledge impart. We can talk.
But just having a go at me because of your incorrect assumptions, when we had been having a normal conversation prior to that. Seems like something I'm not interested in.
I made no assumptions
You stated you didnt know what i meant.
What makes you think i got angry ?
I just like to explain to people with little knowledge of the 6 counties , part of the 9 county province i was born in.
Knowledge sharing is a great thing to those who know little "
Right. So we can get back on track without having pops at me for nothing?
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Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
By & large treated the same ?
Seriously ?
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Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
By & large treated the same ?
Seriously ?
Ok"
By and large. The governments and authorities of the time (as now) don't give a shit about ordinary people.
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Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
By & large treated the same ?
Seriously ?
Ok
By and large. The governments and authorities of the time (as now) don't give a shit about ordinary people.
"
yes
But the people in britain didnt face
state sponsored Genocide ( 19th century)
Diplock courts (20th Century)
State sponsored collusion to murder ( 2020)
Like there Irish counterparts did |
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Not sure what the point is here.
Who are you suggesting is responsible?
In the context of Ireland, when you say "The British were...." You don't mean ordinary British people, who were, by and large, treated in the same way by the authorises of the time.
My argument is that people now don't have a responsibility to hold regret for actions that happened out their control and out of their lifetime.
By & large treated the same ?
Seriously ?
Ok
By and large. The governments and authorities of the time (as now) don't give a shit about ordinary people.
yes
But the people in britain didnt face
state sponsored Genocide ( 19th century)
Diplock courts (20th Century)
State sponsored collusion to murder ( 2020)
Like there Irish counterparts did "
I assume you're talking about the potato famine. Absolutely horrific. I don't have anything to add.
Diplock courts were in Britain. Not in Ireland. If NI should be part of Ireland or not, is a different matter.
The British state has colluded in, or directly killed lots of its own citizens. I don't believe that there is any special extra vengeance against Irish people. They have equal distain for all of us.
"Evidently, a crucial case is omitted, which is far more depraved than massacring civilians intentionally. Namely, knowing that you are massacring them but not doing so intentionally because you don’t regard them as worthy of concern. That is, you don’t even care enough about them to intend to kill them. Thus when I walk down the street, if I stop to think about it I know I’ll probably kill lots of ants, but I don’t intend to kill them, because in my mind they do not even rise to the level where it matters. " - Chomsky.
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I assume you're talking about the potato famine. Absolutely horrific. I don't have anything to add.
Diplock courts were in Britain. Not in Ireland. If NI should be part of Ireland or not, is a different matter.
The British state has colluded in, or directly killed lots of its own citizens. I don't believe that there is any special extra vengeance against Irish people. They have equal distain for all of us.
"Evidently, a crucial case is omitted, which is far more depraved than massacring civilians intentionally. Namely, knowing that you are massacring them but not doing so intentionally because you don’t regard them as worthy of concern. That is, you don’t even care enough about them to intend to kill them. Thus when I walk down the street, if I stop to think about it I know I’ll probably kill lots of ants, but I don’t intend to kill them, because in my mind they do not even rise to the level where it matters. " - Chomsky.
"
No potato famine
There was however potato blight .
( unedible)
1 Ireland was Britains biggest supplier of many vegetables & most of its live-stock , with plenty of ships leaving Irish ports to england full of food that could have saved 8/10ths of those that died.
2.
Diplock courts weren't in Northern Ireland ?
Really
3 . Show me 1 case were police officers, army officers
passed colluded with a para military colluded to kill a
british subject on british streets .
Show me a case where soldiers murdered teenagers
Going to play sport in Britain only to be shot
numerous times in the back
Just 1 example will suffice .
4 what the f*ck have ants got to do with
death ny humans anywhere |
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I assume you're talking about the potato famine. Absolutely horrific. I don't have anything to add.
Diplock courts were in Britain. Not in Ireland. If NI should be part of Ireland or not, is a different matter.
The British state has colluded in, or directly killed lots of its own citizens. I don't believe that there is any special extra vengeance against Irish people. They have equal distain for all of us.
"Evidently, a crucial case is omitted, which is far more depraved than massacring civilians intentionally. Namely, knowing that you are massacring them but not doing so intentionally because you don’t regard them as worthy of concern. That is, you don’t even care enough about them to intend to kill them. Thus when I walk down the street, if I stop to think about it I know I’ll probably kill lots of ants, but I don’t intend to kill them, because in my mind they do not even rise to the level where it matters. " - Chomsky.
No potato famine
There was however potato blight .
( unedible)
1 Ireland was Britains biggest supplier of many vegetables & most of its live-stock , with plenty of ships leaving Irish ports to england full of food that could have saved 8/10ths of those that died.
2.
Diplock courts weren't in Northern Ireland ?
Really
3 . Show me 1 case were police officers, army officers
passed colluded with a para military colluded to kill a
british subject on british streets .
Show me a case where soldiers murdered teenagers
Going to play sport in Britain only to be shot
numerous times in the back
Just 1 example will suffice .
4 what the f*ck have ants got to do with
death ny humans anywhere"
I assumed potato famine was the normal words to describe it. But will call it whatever it needs to be called.
Who said the diplock courts weren't in NI?
I don't see what this list of demands you've given me has to do with anything. I didn't claim any of the specific stuff you're asking me to prove.
You're allowed to disagree with my opinion, but try not to get so angry. Do you not understanding Chomsky's metaphor? |
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Who said the diplock courts weren't in NI?
You're allowed to disagree with my opinion, but try not to get so angry. Do you not understanding Chomsky's metaphor?"
You said diplock courts werent Ireland they were in Britain
Here dear chap is where your knowledge lets you down &
Any semblance of credibility you have vanishes
Britain is An isalnd
It consists of 3 countries
England Scotland & Wales .
The Island of Ireland has 2 countries
The Republic & Northern
Chomskys Metaphor isnt required when
Dealing with Stupidity .
Britain is an island of 3 not 4
The 4 is the union from the act of union
1st between Great Britian & Ireland
Then changed to between
Great Britain & Northern Ireland.
Therefore not British at all. See Facts are Facts
Where as Opinions can & often are WRONG .
Im a Fug Smucker
Always |
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Who said the diplock courts weren't in NI?
You're allowed to disagree with my opinion, but try not to get so angry. Do you not understanding Chomsky's metaphor?
You said diplock courts werent Ireland they were in Britain
Here dear chap is where your knowledge lets you down &
Any semblance of credibility you have vanishes
Britain is An isalnd
It consists of 3 countries
England Scotland & Wales .
The Island of Ireland has 2 countries
The Republic & Northern
Chomskys Metaphor isnt required when
Dealing with Stupidity .
Britain is an island of 3 not 4
The 4 is the union from the act of union
1st between Great Britian & Ireland
Then changed to between
Great Britain & Northern Ireland.
Therefore not British at all. See Facts are Facts
Where as Opinions can & often are WRONG .
Im a Fug Smucker
Always "
Congratulations on your semantic victory in an internet argument that you created out of nothing.
If that's all you were interested in, you could have told me from the start. |
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Who said the diplock courts weren't in NI?
You're allowed to disagree with my opinion, but try not to get so angry. Do you not understanding Chomsky's metaphor?
You said diplock courts werent Ireland they were in Britain
Here dear chap is where your knowledge lets you down &
Any semblance of credibility you have vanishes
Britain is An isalnd
It consists of 3 countries
England Scotland & Wales .
The Island of Ireland has 2 countries
The Republic & Northern
Chomskys Metaphor isnt required when
Dealing with Stupidity .
Britain is an island of 3 not 4
The 4 is the union from the act of union
1st between Great Britian & Ireland
Then changed to between
Great Britain & Northern Ireland.
Therefore not British at all. See Facts are Facts
Where as Opinions can & often are WRONG .
Im a Fug Smucker
Always
Congratulations on your semantic victory in an internet argument that you created out of nothing.
If that's all you were interested in, you could have told me from the start."
Yes but as Roger Rabbit saidif i had done it then
it wouldnt have been funny
The point of pedantry is to always
perform it at the moment of greatest
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