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"What sort of jobs?
Make believe ones?"
Jesus you are so negative you have so much hatred in you it leaches out of you.
Look on the positive your life surely cant be that shit you have to be negative over everything.  |
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Some people are just filled with hate they can't accept a positive of jobs being created amid this pandemic. God knows we get few positives these days. |
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"How about play the ball and not the player?
Some people are just filled with hate they can't accept a positive of jobs being created amid this pandemic. God knows we get few positives these days. "
I like a good discussion with Lionel and sometimes he comes across as a bit negative but going deeper than that is not the way. |
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Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy. |
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy. "
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
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Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
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Does it take 10 years? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
"
I disagree it was a smart move selling council houses the estate i grew up on had metal window frames no central heating etc it would have cost councils millions to bring them all up to date.The problem was they did not use the money to build new council houses if they had there would not be the problem they have now. |
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
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I have it took 6 months to put up a double height extension and had to resubmit twice.
Council house sales though shouldn't have happened there really does need ot be more social housing built on brown field sites and not high rise flats they need to be houses but with restrictions to make people be socially responsible to neighbours. |
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
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Yes, not for multiple builds but several times and the system was ok even before the government simplified it recently..
They did but it was started by Thatcher and by 97 it was so set in it was unlikely to be overturned..
I thought you would be a fan, the free market etc?
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
I disagree it was a smart move selling council houses the estate i grew up on had metal window frames no central heating etc it would have cost councils millions to bring them all up to date.The problem was they did not use the money to build new council houses if they had there would not be the problem they have now."
Thats the point they shouldn't have been sold they should have been invested in. Selling on got private landlords in who now charge excessive rents in some cities. |
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
I have it took 6 months to put up a double height extension and had to resubmit twice.
Council house sales though shouldn't have happened there really does need ot be more social housing built on brown field sites and not high rise flats they need to be houses but with restrictions to make people be socially responsible to neighbours. "
Social housing puts the squeeze on private landlords to bring down rent so it has a knock on effect.
Building companies though only want to build big houses as that is where the profit is.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"How about play the ball and not the player?
Some people are just filled with hate they can't accept a positive of jobs being created amid this pandemic. God knows we get few positives these days.
I like a good discussion with Lionel and sometimes he comes across as a bit negative but going deeper than that is not the way.
Thats an understatement rooster is right he is full of hate its not a discussion when someone resorts to racism, hate and aggregation.
If you mean aggression rather than aggregation I think your getting confused with someone standing his ground as opposed to either of the former..
I don't think he has a racist bone in his body, he's passionate yes but certainly never been racist in any postings..
Perhaps show that or apologize?
Well we will differ on that anyone who defends racist action in my book is one themselves.
Maybe you can stick to the topic it don't say grammar police needed. "
He defended the actions of a leader who didn’t act quickly enough to deal with accusations. I’m definitely not a Corbyn fan but his life is littered with anti racist remarks and campaigns.
His suspension was in his poor dealing. At no point had he been accused of being racist by anyone other than the chief Rabbi who as you can imagine has a different view on life in the Jewish world.
You on the other hand have clearly accused someone on here as a racist and you are not even man enough to admit it was an error and should retract it.
Deflecting it as grammar police is pathetic and you are only showing yourself up.
But of course you don’t care it’s only fab. Well let’s hope those you want to meet on here have a similar view of your pathetic spineless attitude.
Lionel and I don’t agree on lots of things but a racist he is not!
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
I disagree it was a smart move selling council houses the estate i grew up on had metal window frames no central heating etc it would have cost councils millions to bring them all up to date.The problem was they did not use the money to build new council houses if they had there would not be the problem they have now."
Should they have sold them for more?
I honestly can’t make my mind up on selling council houses. Losing the stock was bad for councils but getting people into their own homes was good too. |
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"How about play the ball and not the player?
Some people are just filled with hate they can't accept a positive of jobs being created amid this pandemic. God knows we get few positives these days.
I like a good discussion with Lionel and sometimes he comes across as a bit negative but going deeper than that is not the way.
Thats an understatement rooster is right he is full of hate its not a discussion when someone resorts to racism, hate and aggregation.
If you mean aggression rather than aggregation I think your getting confused with someone standing his ground as opposed to either of the former..
I don't think he has a racist bone in his body, he's passionate yes but certainly never been racist in any postings..
Perhaps show that or apologize?
Well we will differ on that anyone who defends racist action in my book is one themselves.
Maybe you can stick to the topic it don't say grammar police needed.
He defended the actions of a leader who didn’t act quickly enough to deal with accusations. I’m definitely not a Corbyn fan but his life is littered with anti racist remarks and campaigns.
His suspension was in his poor dealing. At no point had he been accused of being racist by anyone other than the chief Rabbi who as you can imagine has a different view on life in the Jewish world.
You on the other hand have clearly accused someone on here as a racist and you are not even man enough to admit it was an error and should retract it.
Deflecting it as grammar police is pathetic and you are only showing yourself up.
But of course you don’t care it’s only fab. Well let’s hope those you want to meet on here have a similar view of your pathetic spineless attitude.
Lionel and I don’t agree on lots of things but a racist he is not!
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That's a matter of opinion but the compensation paid by labour for Corbyn's actions on Jewish MPs says different. And I said anyone who defends someone who is a racist is one themselves. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
I disagree it was a smart move selling council houses the estate i grew up on had metal window frames no central heating etc it would have cost councils millions to bring them all up to date.The problem was they did not use the money to build new council houses if they had there would not be the problem they have now.
Should they have sold them for more?
I honestly can’t make my mind up on selling council houses. Losing the stock was bad for councils but getting people into their own homes was good too. "
Maybe but i know that the estate i was on needed updating, we used to have ice on the inside of the bedroom windows in the winter with those old crittal windows.As soon as people started buying new windows went in, front doors ,central heating and the whole estate got better due to people taking more pride in their homes.It also saw an upsurge of small firms cropping up.The big mistake was not using the money to build more and when they started getting run down sell them and repeat. |
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
I disagree it was a smart move selling council houses the estate i grew up on had metal window frames no central heating etc it would have cost councils millions to bring them all up to date.The problem was they did not use the money to build new council houses if they had there would not be the problem they have now.
Should they have sold them for more?
I honestly can’t make my mind up on selling council houses. Losing the stock was bad for councils but getting people into their own homes was good too. Maybe but i know that the estate i was on needed updating, we used to have ice on the inside of the bedroom windows in the winter with those old crittal windows.As soon as people started buying new windows went in, front doors ,central heating and the whole estate got better due to people taking more pride in their homes.It also saw an upsurge of small firms cropping up.The big mistake was not using the money to build more and when they started getting run down sell them and repeat. "
That wasn't a good situation money wasn't spent on double glazing it wasn't reinvested but rents were more manageable the government pay money to private landlords for people on benefits that will no doubt be higher than costs its a bad policy as I see it. Land should be earmarked and used for social housing with lower rents. If you do this it makes it more viable for people to work than not as we have a crazy situation with some that its not viable to work due to rent costs partly. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
I disagree it was a smart move selling council houses the estate i grew up on had metal window frames no central heating etc it would have cost councils millions to bring them all up to date.The problem was they did not use the money to build new council houses if they had there would not be the problem they have now.
Should they have sold them for more?
I honestly can’t make my mind up on selling council houses. Losing the stock was bad for councils but getting people into their own homes was good too. Maybe but i know that the estate i was on needed updating, we used to have ice on the inside of the bedroom windows in the winter with those old crittal windows.As soon as people started buying new windows went in, front doors ,central heating and the whole estate got better due to people taking more pride in their homes.It also saw an upsurge of small firms cropping up.The big mistake was not using the money to build more and when they started getting run down sell them and repeat.
That wasn't a good situation money wasn't spent on double glazing it wasn't reinvested but rents were more manageable the government pay money to private landlords for people on benefits that will no doubt be higher than costs its a bad policy as I see it. Land should be earmarked and used for social housing with lower rents. If you do this it makes it more viable for people to work than not as we have a crazy situation with some that its not viable to work due to rent costs partly. "
These houses were sold off to the tenants not private landlords. |
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
I disagree it was a smart move selling council houses the estate i grew up on had metal window frames no central heating etc it would have cost councils millions to bring them all up to date.The problem was they did not use the money to build new council houses if they had there would not be the problem they have now.
Should they have sold them for more?
I honestly can’t make my mind up on selling council houses. Losing the stock was bad for councils but getting people into their own homes was good too. Maybe but i know that the estate i was on needed updating, we used to have ice on the inside of the bedroom windows in the winter with those old crittal windows.As soon as people started buying new windows went in, front doors ,central heating and the whole estate got better due to people taking more pride in their homes.It also saw an upsurge of small firms cropping up.The big mistake was not using the money to build more and when they started getting run down sell them and repeat.
That wasn't a good situation money wasn't spent on double glazing it wasn't reinvested but rents were more manageable the government pay money to private landlords for people on benefits that will no doubt be higher than costs its a bad policy as I see it. Land should be earmarked and used for social housing with lower rents. If you do this it makes it more viable for people to work than not as we have a crazy situation with some that its not viable to work due to rent costs partly. These houses were sold off to the tenants not private landlords."
And who's hands are the majority in the hands off now?
My Nan bought hers couldn't afford the upkeep and sold it on as did a lot of her neighbours and many ended up back renting. A huge percentage if ex local authority housing stock is in private hands and rents are far higher. I get why people bought but it hasn't worked for a big chunk of people. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
I disagree it was a smart move selling council houses the estate i grew up on had metal window frames no central heating etc it would have cost councils millions to bring them all up to date.The problem was they did not use the money to build new council houses if they had there would not be the problem they have now.
Should they have sold them for more?
I honestly can’t make my mind up on selling council houses. Losing the stock was bad for councils but getting people into their own homes was good too. Maybe but i know that the estate i was on needed updating, we used to have ice on the inside of the bedroom windows in the winter with those old crittal windows.As soon as people started buying new windows went in, front doors ,central heating and the whole estate got better due to people taking more pride in their homes.It also saw an upsurge of small firms cropping up.The big mistake was not using the money to build more and when they started getting run down sell them and repeat.
That wasn't a good situation money wasn't spent on double glazing it wasn't reinvested but rents were more manageable the government pay money to private landlords for people on benefits that will no doubt be higher than costs its a bad policy as I see it. Land should be earmarked and used for social housing with lower rents. If you do this it makes it more viable for people to work than not as we have a crazy situation with some that its not viable to work due to rent costs partly. These houses were sold off to the tenants not private landlords.
And who's hands are the majority in the hands off now?
My Nan bought hers couldn't afford the upkeep and sold it on as did a lot of her neighbours and many ended up back renting. A huge percentage if ex local authority housing stock is in private hands and rents are far higher. I get why people bought but it hasn't worked for a big chunk of people. "
It did work for a big chunk of the people,your nan should have sold it back to the council instead of profiteering. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
I disagree it was a smart move selling council houses the estate i grew up on had metal window frames no central heating etc it would have cost councils millions to bring them all up to date.The problem was they did not use the money to build new council houses if they had there would not be the problem they have now.
Should they have sold them for more?
I honestly can’t make my mind up on selling council houses. Losing the stock was bad for councils but getting people into their own homes was good too. Maybe but i know that the estate i was on needed updating, we used to have ice on the inside of the bedroom windows in the winter with those old crittal windows.As soon as people started buying new windows went in, front doors ,central heating and the whole estate got better due to people taking more pride in their homes.It also saw an upsurge of small firms cropping up.The big mistake was not using the money to build more and when they started getting run down sell them and repeat. "
Yes I do remember the estates looking better and people actually wanting to move in on some rather than being forced.
I think maybe today’s lazy attitude just means people care less about the state of their house. I’m not knocking anyone I just see the same estates looking rough again which surprises me as they must have value.
I agree the money wasn’t used to build new. Did the councils get to keep it I don’t think they did. I know they don’t today.,
It’s a bit unfair for some as they were put into council flats as opposed to houses. The houses sold at a rate of 50-1 against the flats,
London inner city properties were making profits of over £100 per day as the housing market boomed but if you had the same job and house in South Wales well never mind eh!
I think the councils lost billions but the treasury did very nicely out of it.
I believe we need more imaginative schemes and a lot more money spent on quality public housing.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
I disagree it was a smart move selling council houses the estate i grew up on had metal window frames no central heating etc it would have cost councils millions to bring them all up to date.The problem was they did not use the money to build new council houses if they had there would not be the problem they have now.
Should they have sold them for more?
I honestly can’t make my mind up on selling council houses. Losing the stock was bad for councils but getting people into their own homes was good too. Maybe but i know that the estate i was on needed updating, we used to have ice on the inside of the bedroom windows in the winter with those old crittal windows.As soon as people started buying new windows went in, front doors ,central heating and the whole estate got better due to people taking more pride in their homes.It also saw an upsurge of small firms cropping up.The big mistake was not using the money to build more and when they started getting run down sell them and repeat.
Yes I do remember the estates looking better and people actually wanting to move in on some rather than being forced.
I think maybe today’s lazy attitude just means people care less about the state of their house. I’m not knocking anyone I just see the same estates looking rough again which surprises me as they must have value.
I agree the money wasn’t used to build new. Did the councils get to keep it I don’t think they did. I know they don’t today.,
It’s a bit unfair for some as they were put into council flats as opposed to houses. The houses sold at a rate of 50-1 against the flats,
London inner city properties were making profits of over £100 per day as the housing market boomed but if you had the same job and house in South Wales well never mind eh!
I think the councils lost billions but the treasury did very nicely out of it.
I believe we need more imaginative schemes and a lot more money spent on quality public housing.
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I totally agree we need more public housing that goes without saying the point i was making was selling old stock that needed up dating was a smart move and the money SHOULD have been used to build new stock. |
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
I disagree it was a smart move selling council houses the estate i grew up on had metal window frames no central heating etc it would have cost councils millions to bring them all up to date.The problem was they did not use the money to build new council houses if they had there would not be the problem they have now.
Should they have sold them for more?
I honestly can’t make my mind up on selling council houses. Losing the stock was bad for councils but getting people into their own homes was good too. Maybe but i know that the estate i was on needed updating, we used to have ice on the inside of the bedroom windows in the winter with those old crittal windows.As soon as people started buying new windows went in, front doors ,central heating and the whole estate got better due to people taking more pride in their homes.It also saw an upsurge of small firms cropping up.The big mistake was not using the money to build more and when they started getting run down sell them and repeat.
That wasn't a good situation money wasn't spent on double glazing it wasn't reinvested but rents were more manageable the government pay money to private landlords for people on benefits that will no doubt be higher than costs its a bad policy as I see it. Land should be earmarked and used for social housing with lower rents. If you do this it makes it more viable for people to work than not as we have a crazy situation with some that its not viable to work due to rent costs partly. These houses were sold off to the tenants not private landlords.
And who's hands are the majority in the hands off now?
My Nan bought hers couldn't afford the upkeep and sold it on as did a lot of her neighbours and many ended up back renting. A huge percentage if ex local authority housing stock is in private hands and rents are far higher. I get why people bought but it hasn't worked for a big chunk of people. It did work for a big chunk of the people,your nan should have sold it back to the council instead of profiteering. "
She went into residential care so used it to pay fees rather than relying on the state paying maybe you think that was wrong of her too.
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By *ostafunMan
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
I disagree it was a smart move selling council houses the estate i grew up on had metal window frames no central heating etc it would have cost councils millions to bring them all up to date.The problem was they did not use the money to build new council houses if they had there would not be the problem they have now.
Should they have sold them for more?
I honestly can’t make my mind up on selling council houses. Losing the stock was bad for councils but getting people into their own homes was good too. Maybe but i know that the estate i was on needed updating, we used to have ice on the inside of the bedroom windows in the winter with those old crittal windows.As soon as people started buying new windows went in, front doors ,central heating and the whole estate got better due to people taking more pride in their homes.It also saw an upsurge of small firms cropping up.The big mistake was not using the money to build more and when they started getting run down sell them and repeat.
That wasn't a good situation money wasn't spent on double glazing it wasn't reinvested but rents were more manageable the government pay money to private landlords for people on benefits that will no doubt be higher than costs its a bad policy as I see it. Land should be earmarked and used for social housing with lower rents. If you do this it makes it more viable for people to work than not as we have a crazy situation with some that its not viable to work due to rent costs partly. These houses were sold off to the tenants not private landlords.
And who's hands are the majority in the hands off now?
My Nan bought hers couldn't afford the upkeep and sold it on as did a lot of her neighbours and many ended up back renting. A huge percentage if ex local authority housing stock is in private hands and rents are far higher. I get why people bought but it hasn't worked for a big chunk of people. It did work for a big chunk of the people,your nan should have sold it back to the council instead of profiteering.
She went into residential care so used it to pay fees rather than relying on the state paying maybe you think that was wrong of her too.
I guess you know about the profiteering from personal experience then. "
you started by saying she could not afford the upkeep and ended up renting now she sold it for residential care make your mind up.  |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
I disagree it was a smart move selling council houses the estate i grew up on had metal window frames no central heating etc it would have cost councils millions to bring them all up to date.The problem was they did not use the money to build new council houses if they had there would not be the problem they have now.
Should they have sold them for more?
I honestly can’t make my mind up on selling council houses. Losing the stock was bad for councils but getting people into their own homes was good too. Maybe but i know that the estate i was on needed updating, we used to have ice on the inside of the bedroom windows in the winter with those old crittal windows.As soon as people started buying new windows went in, front doors ,central heating and the whole estate got better due to people taking more pride in their homes.It also saw an upsurge of small firms cropping up.The big mistake was not using the money to build more and when they started getting run down sell them and repeat.
Yes I do remember the estates looking better and people actually wanting to move in on some rather than being forced.
I think maybe today’s lazy attitude just means people care less about the state of their house. I’m not knocking anyone I just see the same estates looking rough again which surprises me as they must have value.
I agree the money wasn’t used to build new. Did the councils get to keep it I don’t think they did. I know they don’t today.,
It’s a bit unfair for some as they were put into council flats as opposed to houses. The houses sold at a rate of 50-1 against the flats,
London inner city properties were making profits of over £100 per day as the housing market boomed but if you had the same job and house in South Wales well never mind eh!
I think the councils lost billions but the treasury did very nicely out of it.
I believe we need more imaginative schemes and a lot more money spent on quality public housing.
I totally agree we need more public housing that goes without saying the point i was making was selling old stock that needed up dating was a smart move and the money SHOULD have been used to build new stock."
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
I disagree it was a smart move selling council houses the estate i grew up on had metal window frames no central heating etc it would have cost councils millions to bring them all up to date.The problem was they did not use the money to build new council houses if they had there would not be the problem they have now.
Should they have sold them for more?
I honestly can’t make my mind up on selling council houses. Losing the stock was bad for councils but getting people into their own homes was good too. Maybe but i know that the estate i was on needed updating, we used to have ice on the inside of the bedroom windows in the winter with those old crittal windows.As soon as people started buying new windows went in, front doors ,central heating and the whole estate got better due to people taking more pride in their homes.It also saw an upsurge of small firms cropping up.The big mistake was not using the money to build more and when they started getting run down sell them and repeat.
That wasn't a good situation money wasn't spent on double glazing it wasn't reinvested but rents were more manageable the government pay money to private landlords for people on benefits that will no doubt be higher than costs its a bad policy as I see it. Land should be earmarked and used for social housing with lower rents. If you do this it makes it more viable for people to work than not as we have a crazy situation with some that its not viable to work due to rent costs partly. These houses were sold off to the tenants not private landlords.
And who's hands are the majority in the hands off now?
My Nan bought hers couldn't afford the upkeep and sold it on as did a lot of her neighbours and many ended up back renting. A huge percentage if ex local authority housing stock is in private hands and rents are far higher. I get why people bought but it hasn't worked for a big chunk of people. It did work for a big chunk of the people,your nan should have sold it back to the council instead of profiteering.
She went into residential care so used it to pay fees rather than relying on the state paying maybe you think that was wrong of her too.
I guess you know about the profiteering from personal experience then. you started by saying she could not afford the upkeep and ended up renting now she sold it for residential care make your mind up. "
And your point is?
She bought couldn't keep up with the property physically or financially and went into sheltered then rapidly into residential want that has to do with you god knows apart from trying to childish point score. I wasn't in the country at the time so didn't document every day to satisfy your childish curiosity.
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"What sort of jobs?
Make believe ones?
Jesus you are so negative you have so much hatred in you it leaches out of you.
Look on the positive your life surely cant be that shit you have to be negative over everything. Im glad im not the only one to notice.  "
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"How about play the ball and not the player?
Some people are just filled with hate they can't accept a positive of jobs being created amid this pandemic. God knows we get few positives these days.
I like a good discussion with Lionel and sometimes he comes across as a bit negative but going deeper than that is not the way.
Thats an understatement rooster is right he is full of hate its not a discussion when someone resorts to racism, hate and aggregation.
If you mean aggression rather than aggregation I think your getting confused with someone standing his ground as opposed to either of the former..
I don't think he has a racist bone in his body, he's passionate yes but certainly never been racist in any postings..
Perhaps show that or apologize?
Well we will differ on that anyone who defends racist action in my book is one themselves.
Maybe you can stick to the topic it don't say grammar police needed.
He defended the actions of a leader who didn’t act quickly enough to deal with accusations. I’m definitely not a Corbyn fan but his life is littered with anti racist remarks and campaigns.
His suspension was in his poor dealing. At no point had he been accused of being racist by anyone other than the chief Rabbi who as you can imagine has a different view on life in the Jewish world.
You on the other hand have clearly accused someone on here as a racist and you are not even man enough to admit it was an error and should retract it.
Deflecting it as grammar police is pathetic and you are only showing yourself up.
But of course you don’t care it’s only fab. Well let’s hope those you want to meet on here have a similar view of your pathetic spineless attitude.
Lionel and I don’t agree on lots of things but a racist he is not!
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"Nice one Boris
At least wait until there actually ARE 40,000 new jobs before getting on your knees and sucking Boris' dick. LOL"
Why, is that what you're doing? |
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
I disagree it was a smart move selling council houses the estate i grew up on had metal window frames no central heating etc it would have cost councils millions to bring them all up to date.The problem was they did not use the money to build new council houses if they had there would not be the problem they have now.
Should they have sold them for more?
I honestly can’t make my mind up on selling council houses. Losing the stock was bad for councils but getting people into their own homes was good too. "
I know a few families that bought their council house, one or two it gave them security to raise the kids. The rest have bought cheap and sold for a big profit, which goes against the whole council house system for me. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Why can't people stick to the subject we all need a little positivity what the hell is wrong with new jobs being created lets have more we need then surely?
Maybe more house building to stimulate the economy.
I think when you've got a PM who has a bit of a history of lying regardless of the party (remember the dodgy dossier and so called WMD?) then it's perfectly fine in a democracy to question such announcements..
Ditto 'world class track and trace'..
Yes any confirmation of extra jobs is good but Boris has a habit of chucking stuff out to deflect so it's fine to question..
On the house building, labour has been calling for years for this and the Tories have consistently failed to meet any targets they set..
Have you ever tried to get planing through a local council? It takes years for big housing estates its not just building its infrastructure.
The reality is we should never have sold of council housing and both party's did this not just one before you go all leftie on me.
I disagree it was a smart move selling council houses the estate i grew up on had metal window frames no central heating etc it would have cost councils millions to bring them all up to date.The problem was they did not use the money to build new council houses if they had there would not be the problem they have now.
Should they have sold them for more?
I honestly can’t make my mind up on selling council houses. Losing the stock was bad for councils but getting people into their own homes was good too.
I know a few families that bought their council house, one or two it gave them security to raise the kids. The rest have bought cheap and sold for a big profit, which goes against the whole council house system for me."
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"Nice one Boris
At least wait until there actually ARE 40,000 new jobs before getting on your knees and sucking Boris' dick. LOL
Why, is that what you're doing? "
No. I was just highlighting that you have a chronic case of Premature Congratulation. You're always gushing over Boris before you ought to. He doesn't affect us all the way he affects you. |
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"And fishing boat crew, all the fish you can eat and minimum wage I'll bet there's a long queue for that one.fishing boat crews dont usually work for minimum wage they are share fisherman. "
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over a year ago
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"And fishing boat crew, all the fish you can eat and minimum wage I'll bet there's a long queue for that one.fishing boat crews dont usually work for minimum wage they are share fisherman.
Sounds like socialism to me."
i dont care what it is tbh but thats the way they usually work,the boat owner takes the majority share followed by the skipper then the crew.Fishermen were making big bucks before joining the eu. |
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"And fishing boat crew, all the fish you can eat and minimum wage I'll bet there's a long queue for that one.fishing boat crews dont usually work for minimum wage they are share fisherman.
Sounds like socialism to me. i dont care what it is tbh but thats the way they usually work,the boat owner takes the majority share followed by the skipper then the crew.Fishermen were making big bucks before joining the eu."
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